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It's More Personal Than Money—Why is this case still unsolved? | What Happened to Nancy Guthrie? · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  You know, in the Nancy Guthrie case, which is the case that
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  we're talking about today, we long ago entered the moment of,
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  or I guess the. Yeah, the moment of, hey,
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  nothing's going to happen here for a while.
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  There will be no news, but people will still talk.
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  Now I'm I'm talking about myself.
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  There will still be talking, but we really won't be talking about
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  anything at all. There will be no updates.
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  There will be no new news, no breaks.
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  It's just this, it's just this black hole of nothingness and
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  talking heads again, I'm looking in the mirror here.
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  I'm I'm part of the problem for sure.
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  I think we might be coming out of it.
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  There's several things that are being talked about in Nancy
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  Guthrie's case that that I think are actually important.
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  It's just not, it's not just talk, I guess is what I'm
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  getting AT. And I think that is definitely,
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  definitely some good news. And so we've got we've we've got
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  a lot of show to get to today. We've got, we're going to do a
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  question of the day. Actually, let's start there.
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  Let's start with the question of the day so that you guys can get
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  your thumbs warmed up to in the chitter chat or in the live chat
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  Question of the day. Now the reason for the question
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  of the day. This is a new thing for us.
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  I don't know if we'll keep doing it, but I like it.
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  But the, the, the inspiration for the question of the day
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  comes from this photograph that I shared on social media.
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  That is a photo of our two sons in the temporary darkroom set in
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  our basement. This this actually used to be my
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  office. I used to broadcast and live
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  stream from this office, but it's just a temporary set of our
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  sons in the darkroom developing photographs for the first time.
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  And as I shared this on social media, so many people, lots of
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  my old friends from high school that we took photography
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  together and lots of other people who I didn't know shared
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  the hobby with me, said something like, oh, I can smell
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  that picture. I can definitely smell that
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  picture. So to get you going, question of
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  the day, what's a smell that instantly takes you back to a
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  specific place or time? All right, that is going to be
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  our question of the day today. Put GF in the comments so that I
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  can see it and, and we're going to get started now in on the
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  agenda for today where we've got 3 or 4 different pieces of
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  information that have come out recently.
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  In the Nancy Guthrie case, we got three questions.
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  We've got some headlines to get to in the Sandra Birchmore case,
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  in the Anna Kepner case, and of course we've got some good news.
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  So what do we got? I think it's like 9 3/4 gallons
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  of content to put into a 5 gallon show.
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  I I this is not quite 10 gallons but but it's close so stick with
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  me. This should be a fun show.
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  This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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  only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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  Hello there my friend, Welcome back to another true crime
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  conversation with me, Gavin Fish.
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  I'm so glad that you are joining me.
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  crime, just take a kind of even keeled, even temperament.
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  Look at the headlines and the news and the cases that affect
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  so many of us. You have found the right place
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  and I am glad that you have on my show.
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  that there. That really, really helps the
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  show and and on the show in the in the live stream part of it.
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  If you put GF in your comment, that will help me to see it on
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  my end. OK.
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  And I, I, I love interaction with you guys.
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  I just absolutely love it. So definitely, definitely.
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  Oh, and tell me this is the part that I love the most.
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  Tell me where you're watching from.
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  I want to, I, I know that. Let's see, the proper way to
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  make that sentence is tell me from where you are watching.
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  We don't want to, we don't want to dangle that from there.
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  But anyway, tell me where you're watching from now, please.
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  There, there. It's not dangling anymore.
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  And we I just love that part. Definitely put AGF in the
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  comments so that I can tell where you are and I can see the
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  comment. And remember, the question of
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  the day today is what's a smell that instantly takes you back to
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  a specific place or time? That acidic vinegar kind of
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  smell of stop bath developer and fixer as it kind of blends
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  together in a dark room takes me instantly back to the lab in
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  high school. And the shenanigans that we
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  would get to in the darkroom and the artwork that we were
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  creating and the teacher that we had it, it takes me right back
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  there. It is so much fun.
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  Let's see what you guys are saying over there in the live
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  chat to get us going. I got to refresh myself.
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  Emmy says, hey, Gavin. Hey, Emmy, glad to see you.
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  Emmy says there is a case which may need to be covered.
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  Sierra Lamar. OK, we'll take a look at it and
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  I will next month. While Emmy might be in Europe, I
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  will be in California. I will be checking in with you
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  guys as I'm going there. Amy is checking in from
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  Clearwater, FL Mary Patterson from southeast Kansas.
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  Wendy says the smell that takes her back is the wood stove at
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  her grandfather's house. That's pretty cool.
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  Tracy Burns says freshly cut grass reminds me of Little
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  League and Babe Ruth League Baseball fields of my youth.
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  Oh, fresh cut grass for me, it actually takes me back to like
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  the hay fields. Same kind of kind of smell.
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  Hay fields of my, of my youth. Beth, it's good to see you.
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  Tracy, greetings from Prague. It is good to see you from Czech
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  Republic. Lynn Taylor says apple pie,
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  smelling it and watching my mother make it.
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  You know, my mom wasn't a pie maker.
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  My mom, though, made the world's most delicious caramel.
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  So for me, it's the smell of caramel for my for my mom.
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  Let's see, Sharkey says. To be honest, I don't have much
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  of A sense of smell since I caught COVID in 2021.
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  Well, that is a tragedy. Sometimes.
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  Maybe it's also great. Jacksonville, FL is in the house
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  lilac, says Patty. It brings me back to my
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  childhood and my dad picking our lilacs and placing them in vases
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  throughout our home. Amazing smell.
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  Amazing dad. Oh, having great parents is a
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  blessing. It is a blessing, man.
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  Texas here. Montana here.
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  Boston is here. FA FA way.
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  Okie Dokie is FA FA way. Let's see.
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  The Midwest is here. Henderson, KY.
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  Tracy says don't dangle those prepositions.
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  Can't do that. You're right.
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  You're right. North Dakota is in the house.
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  The UK is here. New Hampshire, England is here.
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  Child of God, says Comet cleanser.
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  Not a pleasant smell or memory. CSA survivor.
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  Oh, well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry about that.
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  But but it isn't it interesting how smells take us back?
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  Let's see. Clove cigarette, says Mooney.
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  Takes me back to high school. Warrensville, NC's here.
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  Diane says Pine trees takes me to family vacations in New
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  Hampshire. I'm a city girl from Boston.
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  Very cool. Thank you all for checking in
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  and thanks for answering that question of the day, guys.
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  Nancy Guthrie. I, I don't want to say it like
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  this, but I, I, I fear it's the most accurate was an 84 year old
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  grandmother, mother of three, grandmother of others.
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  I I don't know how many grandkids she had who was
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  abducted, taken in the night from her home.
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  And we know this because we've got video of the perpetrator and
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  we've got video of the perp. On at least two different days,
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  the FBI released these images of the perp flashlight in mouth,
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  some greenery, some shrubbery looked like using to tamper with
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  the camera, be gloved, wearing a backpack and mask.
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  And Missus Guthrie was slated to be at church is the way she
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  always was. She was last seen on Saturday
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  night having had dinner with family, and then the next day
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  everybody expected her at church.
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  She did not show, which prompted concern.
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  Family went over to check on her and she was nowhere to be found.
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  But you know what they did find? They found stuff like this blood
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  on the doorsteps. And since then we have been
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  looking for Nancy Guthrie. This is it's it it it's a
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  horrifying like I don't, I don't want this channel to just be
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  telling horror stories. Right.
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  Emmy, I see your I see your comment guys.
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  You never need to do a comment, especially with AGF more than
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  once. I see it, Emmy.
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  That's the third time I got it. Thank you.
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  Or did I? Oh, I need to apologize to Emmy.
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  That was the second time it it refreshed.
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  OK. Anyway, you never need to to do
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  it more than once. Fine.
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  What's I? I don't want this challenge just
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  to be about horrifying stories. I want to, I, I want to help
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  find Nancy Guthrie and others who are missing, like Amy
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  Hilliard, for example, and find justice for those who we know
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  are victims of horrible crimes. That's what I hope that we're
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  doing here. I hope we're helping.
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  I don't know where I was going with that.
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  I've lost, I've completely lost my train of thought.
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  I just don't want to tell horrible stories.
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  I want to, I want to be helpful, but this is a horrifying story
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  because it's just odd. Kidnappings are, are, are odd
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  anyway, other than I mean, there are things that happen where
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  parents are fighting with one another and one parent will take
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  the children. That definitely happens there.
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  There is the occasional kidnapping and, and I don't mean
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  to downplay it, it it's, it's a horrible crime, but a kidnapping
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  of an older person, an octogenarian, it is strange.
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  And it just begs questions like the the main question is why?
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  Why? Right.
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  Well, some people are chiming in on that and we have some
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  commentary about a motive and we have some commentary about do
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  the police know the name of the perpetrator?
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  Or at the very least, do they have the name of the perpetrator
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  and do they just need enough time to go through all the
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  leads? Remember, they've got 10s of
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  thousands of leads here. So let's start with the motive
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  angle of it. Come with me, if you will, over
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  to Acrobat, where Matt Ladek has written this article in Men's
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  Journal titled Nancy Guthrie Update Significant Mode.
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  Javi, I need to take two on that.
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  Nancy Guthrie Update significant motive news emerges.
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  I don't know why that that headline is so difficult for me
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  to read at normal speed. I have to slow way down.
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  Nancy Guthrie Update Significant motive news emerges.
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  There. It just took me some practice.
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  It's fine. Javi will Javi will take out the
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  mistakes later in post, right? You do that every single time
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  when I mention it. You do that, right?
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  Yeah. See it.
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  It'll it'll be good. It'll be good.
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  Thanks, Hobby. You're you're you're a valued
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  employee and a cherished human being.
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  I I deeply mean that. OK.
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  Going to Mr. Helladic's article throughout the entire Nancy
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  Guthrie saga, which is now almost four months old.
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  Yeah. Remember, she was last seen
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  January 31st. Former law enforcement officer
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  Charles Brewer has been using his YouTube channel to OfferUp
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  his theories and opinions on the high profile case.
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  You know what? Why don't I get coverage like
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  this in Men's Journal? Charles Brewer has like less
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  than 10,000 subscribers which is great.
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  Like awesome for you man. But and maybe he just has more
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  bona fides and maybe he's better at this than me.
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  Maybe that's what it is. Maybe I need to be more
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  introspective and look at myself.
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  Right? Just because you have lots of
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  subscribers, Gavin, doesn't mean that you're any good at it.
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  Just means that you've convinced lots of people to subscribe to
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  your channel. OK, let's continue, Javi.
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  We might need to remove that later, too.
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  OK. On Sunday, Brewer released a
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  video, not entitled, titled Nancy Guthrie Case.
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  We may have been looking at the wrong person.
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  During the 21 minute long monologue, he expressed his
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  doubts that money was the primary motivation for the
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  suspected kidnapping. And of course, most of us,
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  myself included, had thought that this is a kidnapping for
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  ransom gone wrong. This is a woman with some means.
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  She is living in a upscale neighborhood and upscale
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  neighborhood, I should say, outside of Tucson.
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  She has successful children. She has a famous daughter,
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  Savannah Guthrie. Maybe this is and, and Savannah
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  talked about this herself, right when she did her interview.
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  She talked about talking to her brother and saying, is this
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  because of me? And him saying, yeah, sweetie,
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  maybe it is. So I don't, I think it's
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  probably pretty appropriate for us.
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  Maybe it's not never appropriate to jump to conclusions, but that
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  does seem like a logical conclusion, right?
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  And Mr. Brewer thinks that maybe we are looking at this wrong.
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  Many have theorized, continuing the article from Men's Journal,
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  that because Savannah Guthrie, Nancy's daughter and the long
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  time Co host of NBCS Today, is financially successful and well
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  known, the kidnapper or kidnappers were looking to make
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  a quick payday. But after more than 100 days
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  without a major breakthrough, Brewer is questioning that
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  assumption. Quote if this truly was a
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  celebrity targeted kidnapping connected directly to Savannah
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  Guthrie, why has there been no meaningful ransom communication?
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  Brewer wondered why leave over $1,000,000 untouched?
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  Why create ransom style messages that reportedly make little
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  sense? Why no sustained negotiations or
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  proof of life? No sophisticated extortion
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  strategy? Now we're going to continue this
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  article in a moment, but just as a, as a mental exercise and for
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  the purpose of being a professional Quibbler.
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  You guys, I, you got that right. I'm a, I'm a professional
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  Quibbler. I've got, I've even got, don't I
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  don't I have like professional Quibbler.
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  There it is. I've got, I've got a theme song.
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  Professional Quibbler here. Yeah.
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  OK. So just going through the
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  exercise of quibbling to answer the question, why is there been
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  no meaningful ransom communication?
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  It could be because she is dead, right?
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  Why leave over $1,000,000 untouched?
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  Maybe because she's dead? Why create ransom style messages
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  that reportedly make little sense because people were
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  impersonating the actual ransomer?
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  That's that's one idea. Why No sustained negotiations or
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  proof of life. No sophisticated extortion
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  strategy. Probably because she's dead.
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  Which sucks. And I don't want that to be the
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  case at all. And I don't want to say it so
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  nonchalantly and bluntly, but maybe right, He continuing his
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  quote. Because if somebody kidnaps for
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  money, money usually becomes the priority, he continued.
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  But here, the behavior feels chaotic, disconnected, even
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  emotionally driven, or possibly connected to something far more
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  personal than the public originally believed.
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  OK, I'm with you. I, I want to hear what you have
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  to say here. Brewer made it clear he was not
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  attempting to point the blame at any of Guthrie's relatives, but
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  was willing to consider if someone possibly connected to
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  the family may have been responsible.
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  And I appreciate that because I think police have been very,
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  very clear that the family has been cleared of suspicion.
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  Remember, they're in the suspicion business.
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  Police and investigators, they are suspicious folks.
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  And I personally don't think that it's helpful to be out
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  there talking about Tomaso and all, you know, all those just
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  seem way out there in left field.
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  And I could be wrong. I, I reserve the right to be
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  completely wrong. But anyway, continuing his
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  quote. Listen, if the public, including
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  myself, was comfortable enough early on in discussing whether
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  this crime was connected to Savannah Guthrie's fame, her
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  wealth and public visibility, then it is equally reasonable to
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  ask whether this case may somehow connect to someone else
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  inside Nancy Guthrie's immediate world, he said.
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  Not necessarily family directly, but maybe somebody connected to
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  them, like a friend, an associate, maybe a business
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  relationship. Or what about a debt, A
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  dangerous person orbiting somewhere close to this family
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  that nobody fully recognized at the time?
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  Because after more than 100 days, something still feels off.
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  Something still feels untouched. Again, just for the purpose of
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  quibbling, what am I doing? I am a professional quibbler.
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  That's right. I love to quibble.
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  I do. I quibble
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  I just just to quibble here just a little bit, I mean.
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  I think Savannah Guthrie and her siblings and the police and the
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  FBI are convinced that this is a ransom situation.
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  Exhibit ABC and D are the videos that were made and published to
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  social media by Savannah and her siblings saying that they would
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  they would pay. And I guess Exhibit E would be
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  the interview that that Savannah did with Hoda Kotby.
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  Do you guys sometimes question yourself?
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  Like you're not quite sure if it's Hoda Kotby or Koda hotby?
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  I, I, I, it's Hoda, Right? It's Hoda.
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  Anyway, in that interview, she said, yeah, I think that there
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  are people that need to take a hard look at themselves.
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  They're impersonating ransomers. But there were at least two that
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  she thinks were real. So that's just my quibble,
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  right? I'm not saying Mr. Brewer is
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  wrong. And I think is a thought
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  experiment. It's a good idea anyway to think
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  about other scenarios for sure. Let's see.
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  Just finishing out the article, it says Nancy Guthrie was
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  declared missing from her Tucson, AZ home on Sunday,
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  February 1st. Since then, there's been no
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  trace of her whereabouts. The FBI and Guthrie family are
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  still offering rewards totalling $1.2 million for information in
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  the case. And indeed, just as a little
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  aside, if if you have information about Nancy
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  Guthrie's whereabouts or what may have happened to her, please
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  call 1800, call FBI or in Pima County dial 88 crime and that
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  will you can remain anonymous and you can give that
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  information. Let's see what you guys are
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  saying over in the comments and bring up a picture of Nancy and
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  see what your thoughts are on this.
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  Remember to put GF in your comment for me to be able to see
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  your comment. Let's see, going back to the
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  question of the day Frida people.
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  Says Gavin. Not a lot of specific place
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  association, but rubber reminds me of the corner of my childhood
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  homes basement where we had our galoshes and a coffin sized wood
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  box my father made. Huh.
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  I love it so that the smell of rubber does that for you.
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  That's fun. Let's see Beth Blessed, says
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  Gavin. I understand locking the case
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  in, crossing the TS dotting the IS.
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  Don't get the case tossed with technicalities.
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  Indeed, Emmy says Savannah hired APII hadn't.
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  I hadn't heard that information. Emmy.
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  I I would like to. Yeah.
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  I'd like to learn more about that, Dorothy Walters says.
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  I remember the smell of floor wax on the first day of school
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  every year. I don't think that I would have
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  recognized what that smell was. But I do have memories of our
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  custodians. Did you guys, did you guys go to
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  schools where like the custodian seemed to be your buddy?
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  Like it it? My first elementary school was a
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  man. He was always in coveralls and
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  he was the, he had the machine out in the, in the multi purpose
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  room, you know, buffing the floors and stuff like that.
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  And then my second, when we moved to California, the
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  custodian was a woman and she, I can't remember her name for the
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  life of me, but she was so cool. And she, she just seemed to be a
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  superhero. Cause anytime they're needed
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  that we needed to be rescued from some something that has
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  gone wrong, she would be there with a fix, you know, fixing
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  like what's the, what's the game that you play where you're a
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  tetherball, you know, fixing the tetherball poles and stuff like
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  that. I just, I have fun memories
• 24:44
  about this. So I I don't remember the, the
• 24:46
  wax on the floor specifically that smell, but but I have
• 24:51
  awesome memories of school. OK, here's one from Penguin
• 24:57
  about the case. Gavin, I think they meant to go
• 24:59
  next door where a jeweler has loads of money in gems.
• 25:03
  The ransom was delayed because they didn't know who they had
• 25:06
  until later. Is is that true?
• 25:09
  I mean, listen, if I were a jeweler and somebody was
• 25:15
  kidnapped next door, I wouldn't go online saying, hey, I'm a
• 25:17
  jeweler and there's tons of money in gems in this house.
• 25:20
  Maybe they were coming after me. How did that information come
• 25:23
  out? Penguin?
• 25:23
  I'm. I'm curious about that.
• 25:26
  Very curious. And.
• 25:28
  And thank you. Let's see.
• 25:32
  Let me go back up. Oh, they discussed it on the
• 25:37
  interview room, says Emmy. OK.
• 25:40
  Tina May says the smell of the high school auditorium, the
• 25:43
  choral concerts, the drama productions we used to
• 25:47
  participate in. My son attends the same school
• 25:49
  now, and it smells exactly the same.
• 25:50
  That's pretty fun. That's pretty fun.
• 25:54
  Orange chicken, says the smell of coconut from drinking too
• 25:57
  many pina coladas and throwing up.
• 26:00
  Well, I'm, I'm happy that it's the smell of the coconut that
• 26:03
  you remember. That's good, Beth says.
• 26:07
  Our custodian and wife and children were all our friends
• 26:10
  and well remembered 54 years after graduation.
• 26:14
  That's really cool. Jude asking, would you consider
• 26:19
  covering the missing deceased scientists?
• 26:22
  Maybe, maybe, maybe. Sherri say I'm late celebrating
• 26:28
  my 70th birthday today. Congratulations, Sherri.
• 26:32
  I've been busy, finally ready to sit down and relax and play with
• 26:35
  my fishies. We're glad you're here.
• 26:38
  And Mel's mom not. And Little says my custodian was
• 26:43
  also my church treasurer. My dad's the pastor.
• 26:46
  I could not get in trouble. Well, there's something good
• 26:52
  about that. And Sherry, happy, happy, happy
• 26:55
  birthday. Glad for you.
• 26:56
  OK, let's. The Big 70.
• 26:59
  That's a milestone. That is a milestone.
• 27:02
  Let's go to the next story, this one from sheknows.com written by
• 27:06
  Kristen Burt asking will the Nancy Guthrie suspect be
• 27:14
  identified soon. I thought this was an
• 27:16
  interesting remember to put GF in your comment to ensure that I
• 27:19
  see the comment on my side. I appreciate it.
• 27:23
  OK, from Miss Burt or Miss Burt's article, it's hard to
• 27:29
  believe that investigators in the Nancy Nancy Guthrie case are
• 27:32
  moving into the 4th month after her disappearance in the early
• 27:36
  hours of February 1 in Tucson, AZ.
• 27:39
  And now a law enforcement expert is chiming in about the possible
• 27:43
  suspects. Robbie Mayer, a former detective
• 27:46
  with the Pima County Sheriff's Department, spoke with News for
• 27:49
  Tucson and compared the Guthrie situation with a major case that
• 27:54
  he broke in 1986. Mayer cracked the prime time R
• 27:59
  Wordist case which involved Brian Lariva breaking into
• 28:05
  Tucson properties, robbing the homes, essaying the women inside
• 28:09
  the crimes occurred between 1983 and 1986.
• 28:12
  Oh my goodness, listen. Does every major metropolitan
• 28:17
  area have an Iran's? Does every major area have
• 28:25
  something like that from the 70s and 80s?
• 28:27
  What a time. Boy am I glad.
• 28:32
  Now I know that these crimes still happen, of course, but I
• 28:35
  am glad that technology has made it way, way, way more difficult.
• 28:39
  OK, so the retired detective recalled that they went through
• 28:46
  4000 leads to get to La Riva, who died by self unaliving after
• 28:52
  police surrounded his home. Quote one of the detectives had
• 28:55
  La Riva's name as a lead, but he hadn't gotten to it yet because
• 29:00
  he had so many leads in front of that.
• 29:02
  Mayer explained he thinks that the suspects names are in those
• 29:06
  50,000 tips generated in Savannah Guthrie's mother's
• 29:09
  case. Mayer believes that persistence
• 29:12
  will be the key to solving the mystery.
• 29:18
  The the endurance aspect of this is one of the things that I
• 29:22
  really am impressed by law enforcement.
• 29:27
  I really am like, there's a what's her name Mickey.
• 29:36
  Hold on. There is there is a retired
• 29:38
  detective in the Sacramento area.
• 29:45
  Let's see, is it Mickey Links? Yes, it's Mickey Mikaela Mickey
• 29:53
  Links of the Sacramento County Sheriff's Office.
• 29:56
  Who continues to work case, cases after case after case
• 30:02
  after case and solve some of these cold cases just through
• 30:06
  sheer determination and putting in the time, right.
• 30:10
  And mayor is saying that persistence, that endurance will
• 30:15
  be the key to solving the mystery.
• 30:17
  Quote. The question is if they can
• 30:19
  recognize it when they see it. Mayer added.
• 30:22
  Being in a case like this is like being in a field with rocks
• 30:25
  and what you're looking for is under one rock.
• 30:28
  You just have to keep turning. The Pima County Sheriff's
• 30:32
  Department gave an update on May 12th as the investigation
• 30:36
  reached the 100 day mark in the 84 year old woman's
• 30:38
  disappearance. They noted that quote,
• 30:41
  scientific evidence processing and digital media analysis
• 30:45
  remain ongoing. close quote, but no suspect has been arrested at
• 30:50
  this time. However, a May 6th Special News
• 30:54
  Nation presents the Nancy Guthrie mystery revealed a
• 30:57
  possible motive in the case. Expert analyst Dr. Ann Burgess
• 31:01
  said, quote, Well, first you want to ask, sorry Hovie, take
• 31:08
  two. Quote Well, first you want to
• 31:11
  always ask who's suffering the most of this?
• 31:13
  Who was hurt the most? And in this case, it doesn't
• 31:17
  have to be the mother. It could be somebody in the
• 31:19
  family, somebody Savannah close quote.
• 31:23
  Nancy was last seen by her son-in-law, Tomaso Sione, when
• 31:27
  he dropped her off at her home the evening of January 31st
• 31:31
  after skipping church services. The next morning, she was
• 31:33
  reported missing to authorities. The case became a top news story
• 31:37
  for weeks as Savannah took a leave of absence from the Today
• 31:40
  Show to help locate her mother. Savannah has since returned to
• 31:43
  the airwaves as the search for Nancy continues.
• 31:46
  And that is got to be tough. So that's an interesting doctor
• 31:50
  Burgess, you know, famous and, and I mean in an incredible
• 32:02
  investigator says, you know, start with who's hurting the
• 32:05
  most, who's hurting the most here?
• 32:11
  And that may point to motive. Interesting.
• 32:16
  I, I would love to hear your theories on motive guys, If you,
• 32:20
  if you have a theory on what the motive possibly could be, put it
• 32:24
  in the live chat or put it in the comments.
• 32:28
  OK, this next article is from Newsweek.
• 32:33
  It's from today. It doesn't say who wrote it.
• 32:38
  Must just be a staff report. Mystery DNA emerges as key
• 32:43
  issues in investigation. Mystery DNA, months long testing
• 32:48
  delays and the growing complexity of the forensic trial
• 32:51
  could significantly complicate any future prosecution in the
• 32:54
  case of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance.
• 32:58
  I mean, yeah, I could. This is another just kind of
• 33:02
  talking head kind of thing. I don't think the month long
• 33:05
  delays is out of the typical delay.
• 33:11
  I mean, labs are backed up. Maybe the FB is lab in Quantico
• 33:19
  would have been faster, but let's see.
• 33:22
  Continuing the article, Joshua G Schiffer, a criminal defense
• 33:25
  attorney with more than two decades of trial experience,
• 33:27
  told Newsweek that unresolved DNA findings and the unusually
• 33:31
  complex evidence trail could become central if prosecutors
• 33:35
  eventually identify suspect. OK, I want to give you my
• 33:39
  thoughts on this. OK, A defense, a criminal
• 33:44
  defense attorney like Mr. Schiffer, their job in defending
• 33:48
  their client is to poke holes in in everything, anything and
• 33:54
  everything they want to highlight and create doubt in
• 33:58
  the mind of the jury. Hopefully that will reach the
• 34:01
  level of being reasonable doubt, therefore getting a favorable
• 34:07
  verdict for their client. OK, I have watched personally in
• 34:11
  court defense attorneys work hard to poke holes in DNA
• 34:17
  evidence. But what I have found is that a
• 34:21
  very talented scientist with very good communication skills
• 34:26
  who will speak directly to the jury completely nullifies any
• 34:33
  effort by a defense attorney to poke holes in in the reports.
• 34:40
  So a defense attorney might say, well, there was DNA from so many
• 34:43
  people there. How come he didn't test this?
• 34:45
  How come he didn't test that? Why?
• 34:48
  Why, you know, why this, why that, you know, they, they were
• 34:52
  just, they would just poke holes in it and a calm, unflappable
• 34:58
  scientist will say, will say stuff like all I'm saying is
• 35:04
  that the DNA that we found is 4 trillion times to one more
• 35:12
  likely to have come from your client than from anybody else on
• 35:16
  Earth. There have never been that many
• 35:18
  people on Earth. You know, they, they're just
• 35:21
  very, very good communicators. So I personally don't buy this
• 35:25
  argument from this defense attorney because I've just seen,
• 35:29
  I've just seen them fail over and over and over again.
• 35:33
  And when a when a criminal defense attorney goes after an
• 35:38
  expert like that, they always fail.
• 35:40
  What they need to do is get an expert of their own that will
• 35:45
  that will refute what the prosecution's expert may testify
• 35:49
  to. But I've never seen them
• 35:51
  actually do that, usually because the experts that they
• 35:54
  would hire would go no, no, that that this does not say what you
• 35:57
  think it says, right? OK.
• 36:00
  Newsweek, continuing the article, has contacted the Pima
• 36:03
  County Sheriff's Department via e-mail for comment.
• 36:06
  Authorities believe Guthrie, 84, was abducted from her Tucson
• 36:09
  area home overnight on February 1st.
• 36:11
  Blah, blah blah, let's see delays in DNA analysis.
• 36:15
  Let's skip down. According to Schiffer, DNA
• 36:18
  delays of several months can reshape the legal posture of any
• 36:22
  abduction investigation, especially one with no named
• 36:25
  suspects. The case reportedly involves
• 36:27
  evidence being processed by 5 separate laboratories, something
• 36:31
  Schiffer says increases the likelihood of chain of custody
• 36:34
  scrutiny if charges are ever filed.
• 36:37
  We'll let it like that is a long sentence that tells us nothing.
• 36:42
  It's it's a sentence that tells the truth but misleads.
• 36:47
  OK. It increases the likelihood of
• 36:50
  chain of custody scrutiny. OK.
• 36:54
  Yeah, it's more likely that there will be scrutiny of chain
• 36:57
  of custody. But does it increase the
• 37:00
  likelihood of chain of custody issues?
• 37:04
  Probably not. Chain of custody trained folks,
• 37:11
  trained folks keep that chain of custody integral pretty darn
• 37:17
  easily. Come on.
• 37:20
  But OK, that that is one of those sentences.
• 37:23
  That's just like, why did you include that in there?
• 37:25
  It it's a it's a truthful sentence that misleads the
• 37:30
  average person that would read that would go, oh, chain of
• 37:32
  custody problems. And it doesn't say anything
• 37:34
  about problems. It says scrutiny.
• 37:35
  It's so dumb, but OK, quote. Any delay or hiccup in evidence
• 37:40
  handling, collection or analysis creates opportunities for anyone
• 37:43
  defending themselves, he told Newsweek.
• 37:45
  OK, sure. Investigators have also
• 37:48
  referenced a possible mixed DNA sample, evidence Schiffer
• 37:51
  described as especially difficult to present clearly to
• 37:54
  juries. I find that to be in my
• 37:58
  experience as a layperson and as a member of the gallery only, I
• 38:03
  have always found DNA experts to be able to communicate clearly
• 38:09
  with the jury. I I just always have, quote, a
• 38:13
  mixed DNA profile creates scientific complexity that
• 38:16
  jurors may struggle to interpret, he said.
• 38:18
  And maybe genealogy testing adds another layer.
• 38:22
  OK with investigators exploring genealogy tracing, Schiffer
• 38:25
  warns that the method, while increasingly common, comes with
• 38:28
  legal pitfalls. Quote, there are always going to
• 38:30
  be problems with genealogy as a lead, he said, citing privacy
• 38:34
  concerns and the probabilistic nature of the matches, even if
• 38:39
  later confirmed by testing the initial genealogical link, can
• 38:42
  be vulnerable to challenge. Yeah, that challenge being a
• 38:46
  legal challenge, not a genealogical challenge,
• 38:49
  typically. Did the investigators, did they
• 38:56
  trample on the rights, for example, of their suspect?
• 38:59
  If they did, then that would be vulnerable to challenge.
• 39:04
  Yeah. If a genealogical investigator
• 39:07
  was caught doing illegal things or mixing up samples or or being
• 39:16
  a proverbial Becky Hill about things, then yeah, open for
• 39:21
  challenge. But if they did everything
• 39:23
  correctly, they did it by the book.
• 39:25
  What they did LED them to a suspect that was then later
• 39:28
  confirmed through DNA matching in a 1 to 1 matching coda style
• 39:32
  matching. It's pretty darn bulletproof.
• 39:36
  Let's see the mystery around the DNA evidence.
• 39:39
  One of the biggest unanswered questions remains whether
• 39:42
  unidentified DNA recovered during the investigation belongs
• 39:45
  to someone connected to the abduction.
• 39:47
  Schiffer said unexplained DNA evidence could significantly
• 39:50
  complicate any future prosecution.
• 39:52
  If the facts aren't enough, or if there are missing facts, even
• 39:55
  if the person looks really guilty, the court will instruct
• 39:58
  them to acquit. That's true.
• 40:00
  The only publicly known visual evidence remains surveillance
• 40:03
  footage showing a masked person near Nancy Guthrie's home before
• 40:06
  her disappearance. Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos
• 40:11
  has repeatedly said the investigation is not considered
• 40:13
  cold. The the authorities continue to
• 40:15
  pursue forensic leads, he said. Let's check in to see what you
• 40:19
  guys are thinking over in the comments.
• 40:22
  Let me just refresh FI here real quick, Jude says.
• 40:30
  Gavin, you must do a guided meditation video.
• 40:33
  I could listen to your voice for hours.
• 40:35
  Well, my dad and mom would be thankful for for that comment.
• 40:40
  I do. I don't like listening to my own
• 40:43
  voice, but I've had enough compliments on it that I
• 40:45
  recognize that people like it. And here's what it is.
• 40:48
  I've got the baritone nature of my father's voice and I've got
• 40:52
  the complex tambour of my mom's. My mom's voice sounds as if
• 40:57
  three people are speaking at the same time.
• 41:00
  It's like she has two extra vocal folds.
• 41:03
  It's just this kind of rich and layered tambour that is very
• 41:08
  difficult to explain other than to say it sounds like many
• 41:12
  people are speaking at the same time.
• 41:15
  And I didn't get that full tambour, but I got a piece of it
• 41:19
  and I got, I got the pitch from my dad, which is pretty darn
• 41:21
  cool. Thank you very much.
• 41:25
  Mooney says Doctor Burgess started the FBI Profiling and
• 41:29
  behavior analysis Unit. Right?
• 41:30
  That is correct. That is correct.
• 41:34
  Let's see. Mary Ann says, late to the show,
• 41:37
  but the smell of bacon, celery and onions frying on
• 41:39
  Thanksgiving morning. My mother's stuffing recipe
• 41:42
  brings me right back to my childhood.
• 41:44
  I'm 77 years old. That is a beautiful I, you know,
• 41:50
  I AM 50. I am not a spring chicken.
• 41:52
  I've got I've got grey all over myself.
• 41:57
  But some days it just doesn't seem like childhood was all that
• 42:00
  long ago, right? And it's interesting how sights
• 42:04
  and sounds and smells can take us right back to those places.
• 42:08
  I and it happens to me all the time.
• 42:10
  For me, crayons take me to a the smell of crayons actually take
• 42:18
  me to 2 very specific places. One of them is in the basement
• 42:23
  of my grandparents home in Heber City, UT.
• 42:27
  To the right of the fire, as you're looking at the fireplace
• 42:30
  to the right, there was a place with toys, coloring books and
• 42:34
  crayons. And my grandma's rule was color
• 42:38
  all you want, but but don't tear out the pages because she wanted
• 42:42
  to see us. She wanted to see what we
• 42:44
  colored. That was her story anyway,
• 42:46
  right? And she wanted us to sign them.
• 42:50
  So when we colored a page, you sign the page, put a date on it
• 42:55
  or your age. And grandma had just had stacks
• 42:59
  of coloring books and sometimes and she'd put put new ones down
• 43:02
  there, but you could go through and you could see everybody, all
• 43:05
  the grandkids coloring. It was really fun.
• 43:07
  And the smell of crayons takes me right back there.
• 43:09
  The other place is my other grandmother's house in Piowa,
• 43:12
  Utah, where they had off of the kitchen in their old little
• 43:18
  farmhouse that my great grandfather built was like a
• 43:20
  little vestibule that you could enter.
• 43:25
  It had a, it had a glass door that could close and on one side
• 43:29
  was a bedroom. The blue room in front of you
• 43:32
  would be the bathroom and on the other side was at one time a
• 43:36
  bedroom, but it was my grandparents laundry room.
• 43:39
  So all four doors could be closed.
• 43:41
  And the one on the kitchen side that you would enter from was a
• 43:44
  glass door. And inside that little
• 43:46
  vestibule, which seemed huge at the time but was actually quite
• 43:51
  small. Maybe it's 5 by 5 or something
• 43:52
  like that, or 4 by 4. Maybe there were toys and there
• 43:58
  were crayons and coloring books and we could color in there.
• 44:02
  I Yeah. So it's just interesting what
• 44:06
  happens. Thanks, guys.
• 44:07
  Thanks. That's been fun.
• 44:09
  This is a great question of the day.
• 44:11
  Keep answering. This has been a great question
• 44:13
  of the day. All right, let me see where we
• 44:16
  are right here. We do have one more article.
• 44:18
  So what have we talked about so far?
• 44:20
  We've talked about motive. We've talked about there's
• 44:24
  possibly a name somewhere in their leads that is the person
• 44:30
  who is responsible. We've talked about DNA analysis
• 44:34
  and what possibly could happen during the prosecution.
• 44:40
  The last thing I want to share about this case comes from our
• 44:42
  friend Jen Coffindaffer. Retired FBI Agent is written in
• 44:47
  TV Insider by Michelle Stein and it reads Nancy Guthrie Update
• 44:56
  Retired FBI agent shares 4 most likely scenarios behind
• 45:00
  abduction OK on Saturday, May 23rd, Jen Coffin Daffer, former
• 45:06
  FBI special agent and she has been a, she's been on the show 3
• 45:10
  or 4 times I think took to X to weigh in on Nancy's case.
• 45:14
  Although Coffin Daffer isn't directly involved in the
• 45:16
  investigation, she has closely followed the case for nearly
• 45:19
  four months. To kick off her list, she
• 45:21
  pointed to a wrench attack as a potential scenario.
• 45:26
  Quote. A sophisticated crime group
• 45:28
  researched Nancy in the wealth of her daughter Savannah.
• 45:31
  With a plethora of photos of Nancy, her home, even her
• 45:34
  bedroom, Nancy was a ripe target for an easy abduction.
• 45:38
  And the closeness of Savannah and Nancy's older daughter Annie
• 45:41
  Guthrie to Nancy made the prospect of getting paid a
• 45:44
  likely prospect in the group's mind.
• 45:47
  That's the theory, right? So in the theoretical wrench
• 45:50
  attack, she predicted that Nancy died at the hands of one of the
• 45:52
  abductors, and then they sent ransom demands for Bitcoin
• 45:56
  without proof of life. She pointed to the Augustine B
• 46:01
  pseudonym case as an example of this type of crime.
• 46:05
  The second likely scenario, according to Jen, was a family
• 46:08
  member plotting Nancy's murder either for money or because they
• 46:11
  didn't want her around. She pointed to the Hazel Abel
• 46:14
  case as an example of this. Quote, her immediate family has
• 46:18
  been cleared, but could some other relative have planned
• 46:21
  this? I'm not barking up this tree,
• 46:23
  but at present many people believe this.
• 46:25
  So that's the second. Thirdly, Coffendaffer speculated
• 46:30
  that Nancy's abduction could have been carried out by a
• 46:32
  handyman or a family friend. Quote.
• 46:35
  Remember the case of Hedy Braun? A ransom demand was not even
• 46:38
  made in that case until two days later.
• 46:41
  Nancy's case one day $3,000,000 demanded Nancy's case 6,000,000.
• 46:45
  She pointed out. Braun miraculously survived the
• 46:48
  abduction and was rescued about four days later.
• 46:51
  She was found shackled in subzero temperatures in a
• 46:53
  trailer. Interesting how Jen like knows
• 46:57
  all these cases. Really cool.
• 46:59
  Finally, Coffin Daffer proposed that Nancy's abduction might
• 47:02
  have been a revenge plot. Quote, someone angry at Nancy or
• 47:08
  a Guthrie family member perpetrated this kind to this
• 47:11
  crime to cause absolute misery for the family, she explained or
• 47:15
  to the family. That means the torture of
• 47:17
  abducting Nancy with 0 regard for her life.
• 47:20
  They wanted to strip the of the family of money.
• 47:23
  Thus ransom demand caused severe emotional distress and inflict
• 47:27
  damage on their reputations by publicly going forth with
• 47:30
  demands and knowing the ransom demand would not be paid,
• 47:32
  causing much public scrutiny, which has happened.
• 47:36
  She continued. They also set up the kidnap to
• 47:38
  frame in a sense Nancy's son-in-law Tomaso Sione and
• 47:42
  Annie's Annie Guthrie's by choosing to kidnap her after a
• 47:48
  family dinner and with Tomaso last to see her, hoping the
• 47:51
  public would make the leap to blame him.
• 47:54
  This would be someone completely obsessed with torturing the
• 47:56
  Guthrie family, someone who would risk it all to murder
• 47:59
  their matriarch like the Annie here in case.
• 48:03
  So interesting. I wonder if you guys have any
• 48:06
  thoughts on if one of those 4 scenarios?
• 48:11
  Jen says these are the four most likely scenarios, but if one of
• 48:14
  those scenarios could be the reason that Nancy Guthrie was
• 48:19
  abducted. Put your comments in the live
• 48:23
  chat and I'll be going through that here in just a bit to see
• 48:26
  what you what you have. Let's see, we've got, let's see
• 48:37
  Freda people, says Gavin. I sound terrible on recording
• 48:40
  some kind of distortion on those.
• 48:43
  I don't think it sounds so horrible in person.
• 48:45
  And I once called a radio station and the host told me I
• 48:47
  had a nice voice. Yeah.
• 48:49
  Let let's take a moment. This is this is a bit of a
• 48:51
  tangent. Let let's let's let's tangent
• 48:57
  now. OK, so it turns out, Freda, that
• 49:03
  I have a, a little bit of expertise in this.
• 49:07
  Not, not that I have any like a degree hanging on my wall or you
• 49:12
  know, any course that I've taken on this.
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  But for many, many years I worked in an industry known
• 49:21
  within the industry as the high end audio industry.
• 49:23
  It is an industry that manufacturers and sells very
• 49:28
  expensive and very high performing audio equipment to
• 49:33
  consumers. It's consumer level.
• 49:36
  So don't think don't think like your Circuit City or your
• 49:39
  Walmart or what's what's a current one store where you can
• 49:45
  go get audio gear? I don't know.
• 49:46
  Just don't think that think, think like Elon Musk has a room
• 49:53
  somewhere where he sits down in a room with one chair.
• 49:57
  It's it's a solitary endeavour and a pair of speakers, some
• 50:03
  some equipment beside him and he listens to music on his own, but
• 50:08
  he has spent millions of dollars on this equipment.
• 50:11
  It's that kind of consumer. OK, it's not always just like
• 50:15
  the world's most, but it it was not uncommon for me to have a
• 50:19
  customer that had $1,000,000 stereo.
• 50:23
  It is more common that it was somewhere in the 50,000 to
• 50:27
  $100,000 range. That was that was way more
• 50:29
  common, but was not uncommon to go north of north of a million
• 50:34
  well into the seven figures. Anywho, the reason that you
• 50:38
  don't like the sound of your recorded voice is because of
• 50:43
  something called the head transfer function.
• 50:46
  And here's what happens in your inner ear, there are little
• 50:49
  bones that vibrate, right? So your air is compressed and
• 50:56
  decompressed in sound waves. It rattles what we call the
• 51:00
  eardrum, right? Little membrane that goes and
• 51:04
  it, it, it picks up sounds like, like a microphone does.
• 51:07
  The same thing happens in in a mic, little membrane vibrates.
• 51:12
  And in the case of a microphone, it creates a an electrical, a
• 51:17
  signal In the case of our brain also ultimately makes an
• 51:23
  electrical signal. But it it rattles a bone, OK,
• 51:27
  and and that bone creates a signal that then goes into our
• 51:31
  brain. But we are not hearing what is
• 51:35
  coming into our ear only. We are hearing what is hitting
• 51:39
  our head and our jaw and all the fleshy bits around our ear.
• 51:46
  Even our nose contributes to how we hear.
• 51:49
  Even our shoulders contribute to it.
• 51:52
  Of course the outer ear contributes to it.
• 51:55
  But when we hear our own voice, what is happening is our throat
• 51:59
  is vibrating, our chest is vibrating, our head is vibrating
• 52:03
  and we are hearing what is coming out of our mouth and
• 52:06
  making it to our ears. But we are hearing what is also
• 52:08
  being transferred through the hard and fleshy bits of our
• 52:12
  body. That is known as the head
• 52:14
  transfer. So that is why our voice sounds
• 52:20
  one way to ourselves. And when we listen to it
• 52:22
  recorded back where it doesn't go through the head transfer, it
• 52:28
  sounds different. And if you listen to singers,
• 52:32
  you and I'm talking like Billy, I've heard Billy Joel say this.
• 52:36
  I have heard Taylor Swift say this.
• 52:39
  I have heard Frank Sinatra refer to this.
• 52:43
  I have heard Ann Wilson refer. I mean, it's, it's universal.
• 52:47
  Nobody likes the sound of their own voice when heard recorded
• 52:51
  back because it is missing all of that richness, because when,
• 52:56
  when it is vibrating in our heads, that adds thickness, it
• 53:00
  adds layers and adds dimension to our voice that we don't
• 53:04
  otherwise have anywhere else. That is why.
• 53:09
  Oh man, that was a tangent guys. Such a tangent, my goodness.
• 53:15
  But that's, that is why, Freda, you, you do not sound terrible
• 53:19
  on recordings. You just sound thinner.
• 53:22
  Your your voice sounds less rich on recordings than what you're
• 53:26
  used to. And that's, that's how that
• 53:28
  works. Yeah.
• 53:30
  Anyway, let's see, Autumn says one day I'll be able to smell a
• 53:36
  brand new car. I've had a couple of new cars.
• 53:39
  I've, I've had exactly 2 new cars.
• 53:42
  I don't think I'll ever have a new car ever again.
• 53:44
  I think I've become smarter than that.
• 53:46
  But the smell of a new car. Mel's mom.
• 53:50
  I did not watch the hearing today.
• 53:52
  No, I did not. Jude says.
• 53:55
  Further proof my two dogs are now snoring.
• 53:58
  Listening to you W2 grooms. Gavin, a little late 1st cut of
• 54:03
  hay takes me back to learning the meaning of hard work and
• 54:06
  time spent with my dad who passed 25 years ago in northeast
• 54:09
  Indiana. Thanks for tuning in.
• 54:12
  What? What a treasure to have those
• 54:15
  memories, right? I lived in a town where we were
• 54:19
  free range children, man, the entire valley only had 200
• 54:23
  people in it. And we could, we were basically
• 54:25
  allowed anywhere we could play on people's farms and just have,
• 54:29
  have a great old time. And there was an old farmer in
• 54:32
  our town. His name is Norville.
• 54:34
  He was the the age of my grandparents.
• 54:37
  And he would let me hop up on the on the Fender of the old
• 54:42
  John Deere tractor while he was out in the fields.
• 54:45
  You know, he didn't have a huge hay operation.
• 54:48
  His was mostly mink and dairy, but he had a hay operation to
• 54:52
  feed his cattle. And oh, I just, I have, I have
• 54:56
  so many memories of that just as a little kid hanging out with
• 55:01
  one of my grandparents friends just on a tractor and, you know,
• 55:05
  just hop up there and ride along with him.
• 55:07
  Smell the diesel. You can smell the fresh cut hay.
• 55:10
  You can smell the dirt wafting up and then going, OK, I'm going
• 55:14
  to I'm gone. Off I go right off.
• 55:16
  Such happy memories. OK, going back to the case.
• 55:20
  Thank you, Sherri, for pulling it back for us.
• 55:22
  I personally do not think that any one person is hurt the most.
• 55:25
  All three of her kids are suffering and many, many of her
• 55:28
  other friends and family too. That's that's good point.
• 55:32
  Good observation, Lynn Taylor. So does that mean even hearing
• 55:39
  your voice on your telephone recording is your normal voice?
• 55:44
  Yeah, that is your normal voice. I, I mean, those recordings
• 55:50
  have, sorry, we're going back into this tangent, but those
• 55:54
  recordings will also be affected or what we refer to as colored
• 55:59
  by the device that is recording you, right, Your proximity to
• 56:05
  it. The, the not only the moving
• 56:09
  membrane, but the wires and the circuitry or the mechanism if
• 56:15
  you're going back to the analog days that is recording you.
• 56:20
  So all of those add just a little bit of color each stage
• 56:24
  of those. And it's one of the reasons why
• 56:26
  people like me use microphones like this.
• 56:27
  Your SM-7 BI think this is called the SM 7B is it's a high
• 56:35
  quality microphone. We have a high quality interface
• 56:38
  and then because it is a dynamic mic, it, it requires you to be
• 56:42
  close to the microphone which does something.
• 56:44
  What is the name of this? It is the microphone proximity
• 56:47
  effect that augments the lower frequencies.
• 56:52
  So if you were to meet me in person, which many of you have,
• 56:57
  you would find that my voice is not quite as baritone as it
• 57:01
  sounds on this live stream because I'm using a mic that,
• 57:06
  because of its design, because of its nature, and because of
• 57:10
  its close proximity to my mouth hole, accentuates the lower
• 57:14
  frequencies, making me sound a little more bassy than I really
• 57:18
  am. Autumn Doyle, you can come smell
• 57:22
  my car, but I don't have a new car, my car right now.
• 57:25
  My car, which is the best car that I've ever had, is a 2004
• 57:31
  with 262,000 miles on it, something like that that I will
• 57:35
  never sell. I will never sell.
• 57:37
  It is the best car ever. It's great.
• 57:41
  Frida people says. Thanks for the explanation.
• 57:43
  So do other people have head transfer of another person's
• 57:47
  voice? Yeah, a little bit, yes.
• 57:54
  Yeah, a little bit. Not to the extent that you do
• 57:58
  with your own voice. Yeah.
• 58:01
  Anyway, thank you guys. That that was that was a long
• 58:08
  tangent, man. But that sort of stuff is very
• 58:10
  interesting to me as a high end audio enthusiast.
• 58:14
  I I enjoy those kinds of discussions and it's been a long
• 58:17
  time since I've had one. Wow, That was that was a lot of
• 58:21
  fun. Thanks for that, guys.
• 58:22
  Thanks for that little, I guess, tangent into my past career.
• 58:29
  That was really quite a lot of fun, guys.
• 58:31
  That's all we have on the Nancy Guthrie case.
• 58:35
  But despair not, despair not, we still have quite a bit to go.
• 58:40
  We have headlines to cover in the Sandra Birchmore case.
• 58:43
  We have some to cover in the Anna Kepner case.
• 58:48
  We've got some good news to get into.
• 58:50
  But before we get into any of that, how about we get into
• 58:54
  three questions? Here we go.
• 58:56
  It's three questions with Gavin Fish, guys in the three
• 59:06
  questions segment. In this segment, I answer three
• 59:10
  of your questions that you sent to me at the e-mail address seen
• 59:14
  on your screen or if you're just listening to the e-mail address,
• 59:17
  three questions at gavinfish.com.
• 59:19
  It is spelled out in English words, not using numerals. 3
• 59:25
  questions at gavinfish.com. THREE questions at
• 59:28
  gavinfish.com. You can send in as many as you'd
• 59:31
  like, and they can be. They can be whatever you're
• 59:34
  interested in my opinion or my thoughts on.
• 59:37
  They can be my favorite color. It could be the questions of the
• 59:39
  universe, whatever. But in my solemn promises, I
• 59:44
  will answer them all, but I get to answer them three at a time
• 59:48
  and in the order that I choose, not the order that they are
• 59:51
  received. All right.
• 59:52
  Question number one comes from Wendy.
• 59:56
  And her question is, do you know your YouTube plaque has fallen?
• 1:00:00
  It's making me crazy. I love you, though.
• 1:00:03
  I don't know what you're talking about, Wendy.
• 1:00:06
  My plaque looks fine. I I this this is This is a.
• 1:00:17
  Shenanigans. And I call shenanigans on Wendy.
• 1:00:20
  There's never been a problem with the plaque Ever, ever,
• 1:00:24
  ever, ever. I, I, I think she's trying to
• 1:00:29
  lead us astray. And honestly, Wendy, you're
• 1:00:32
  better than that. You are better than that.
• 1:00:35
  You certainly, you certainly should repent, see the light and
• 1:00:39
  make the switch. No, I did notice that yesterday.
• 1:00:43
  I fixed it today. Thank you, Wendy.
• 1:00:44
  OK, question #2 from Patty. There's so many beautiful birds
• 1:00:49
  in Pennsylvania. Do you have a favorite?
• 1:00:52
  I am enjoying the Baltimore Orioles that visit my bird
• 1:00:56
  feeder. You know, living in western PA,
• 1:01:01
  1 of the main things that we noticed is the sound of the
• 1:01:04
  birds. I, I think that it becomes just
• 1:01:07
  background noise that we get accustomed to, but when we moved
• 1:01:10
  here, it was all so unique and varied and different from when
• 1:01:15
  we lived in the West. My favorite bird sound is the
• 1:01:21
  cardinal and the cardinal. I think it's the cardinal now.
• 1:01:29
  I'm now I'm questioning myself. It's the Oriole.
• 1:01:32
  I think it's the cardinal. It goes.
• 1:01:35
  How's the sound of those? Let me think.
• 1:01:40
  I have to think about this like that.
• 1:01:45
  It's like, and it is awesome and I love it and I listen to it all
• 1:01:53
  the time. And I noticed it today.
• 1:01:56
  I had gone out for my day job to get some photography for a story
• 1:02:00
  that I was covering. And when I came in and parked in
• 1:02:04
  our garage, my 2004 Toyota SUV pulled into the garage, turned
• 1:02:11
  it off, came out of the garage because out here we have
• 1:02:13
  detached garages. I could hear the Cardinals
• 1:02:17
  whistling and then I could hear our daughters.
• 1:02:20
  Our daughter has cockatiels. I could hear them calling back.
• 1:02:25
  It was, it was fun. So yes, my favorite, I guess is
• 1:02:30
  the Cardinal. It's a lot of fun.
• 1:02:33
  It it's, it's more than just tweets and stuff, right?
• 1:02:36
  Or back West we had lots of Magpies and and stuff like that.
• 1:02:41
  I do also really like the sound of a bald eagle.
• 1:02:44
  And no, it's not that screechy awesome sound that we all think
• 1:02:47
  it is from the movies. It's like, it's like a giggle
• 1:02:50
  almost. I like that one too.
• 1:02:52
  And when we go out to the lake and we paddle board and stuff
• 1:02:55
  like that, lots of bald eagles. You can hear them calling.
• 1:02:57
  It's fun. But I think, I think the
• 1:02:58
  Cardinals my favorite. Thank you for the question,
• 1:03:00
  Patty. And by the way, guys, I love it
• 1:03:03
  when you answer these questions too.
• 1:03:05
  So was my YouTube plaque making you crazy?
• 1:03:09
  What is your favorite bird call from where you live?
• 1:03:12
  And then question #3 is from Kelly saying where can I
• 1:03:16
  purchase a bottle of Lullaby for my husband?
• 1:03:20
  Kelly, listen, you don't need to make excuses that you're going
• 1:03:24
  to buy it for your husband. It, it is a unisex brand, it's
• 1:03:28
  probably for you. And that's cool.
• 1:03:31
  Lalibi, if you guys don't know, let me let me see if I can find
• 1:03:39
  the Lalibi shampoo commercial. There it is.
• 1:03:45
  All right, let's, let's, let's play the commercial so that
• 1:03:48
  everybody knows what Kelly is talking about.
• 1:03:50
  Here we go. When you investigate crime, you
• 1:03:53
  learn something important. Every strand tells a story.
• 1:03:58
  Some stories fall apart under pressure.
• 1:04:01
  But great hair, Great hair holds up under questioning.
• 1:04:06
  That's why I trust Lullaby because Great Hair never pleads
• 1:04:12
  the 5th Lollibi when the evidence is in your favor.
• 1:04:21
  So Kelly, I think just to answer your question, I think the only
• 1:04:28
  store that stocks Lollibi right now is the flagship Hermes store
• 1:04:33
  in Paris. That's the only place I've seen
• 1:04:36
  it. And of course, because I am a
• 1:04:39
  spokesperson for Lollibi, I, I just get it delivered to me.
• 1:04:44
  But it's, so, I, I mean, it has real chunks of gold in it, real
• 1:04:48
  chunks of gold. And there's something about it
• 1:04:51
  that makes it makes my hair just flaxen and, and, and lovely.
• 1:04:58
  So, so I think you, I, I don't, I don't think they ship either.
• 1:05:01
  That's the thing. I think that you have to go to
• 1:05:05
  Hermes in Paris. I know they have a bottle
• 1:05:10
  underneath a, a glass like protective cover.
• 1:05:16
  I even think I've seen wires protecting it like, like you
• 1:05:19
  can't lift the cover, like an alarm will go off.
• 1:05:23
  But that, that's where you get it.
• 1:05:25
  You, you have to ask for it by name, like can, can I have some
• 1:05:28
  Lollipai? And, and if you're willing to
• 1:05:30
  pay for it, they'll give it to you.
• 1:05:32
  They'll give it to you. So, and, and you know what?
• 1:05:36
  There's no, there's no embarrassment.
• 1:05:38
  You don't need to make the excuse that you want it for your
• 1:05:40
  husband. Come on, it can be for you as
• 1:05:43
  well guys. Those are your three questions.
• 1:05:48
  It's three questions with Gavin Fish.
• 1:05:56
  Now while you are answering those questions for yourself in
• 1:06:00
  the live stream, remember put put GF in the comments so that I
• 1:06:04
  know that I know that it's for me to read.
• 1:06:09
  Let's get into a couple of true crime headlines, shall we?
• 1:06:13
  True crime headlines. OK guys, a couple headlines from
• 1:06:24
  cases that we are following. This one from boston.com Written
• 1:06:28
  by Darren Zulo Former Staunton cop accused of killing Sandra
• 1:06:34
  Birchmore denied bail. He does look sad.
• 1:06:37
  He looks sad. Matthew Farewell.
• 1:06:40
  A former Staunton police officer charged with killing Sandra
• 1:06:42
  Birchmore will be denied bail pending his federal trial, a
• 1:06:46
  judge ruled Tuesday. That would be yesterday, US
• 1:06:49
  Magistrate Judge M Page Kelly. Ah M Page Kelly, you know some
• 1:06:55
  people think it's cool to have a first initial like M Page Kelly
• 1:07:00
  and J Gavin fish, but going through life being called by
• 1:07:03
  your middle name is just not all rainbows and unicorns.
• 1:07:06
  It's it's hard so I'm anyway. Judge Kelly ordered that
• 1:07:10
  Farewell, 40, remain in custody ahead of his trial.
• 1:07:13
  His trial is set to begin October 5th.
• 1:07:16
  In March, Farewell's lawyers filed a motion arguing for his
• 1:07:19
  release. Prosecutors filed 3 supplemental
• 1:07:22
  memorandums in support of detention both before and after
• 1:07:26
  his April 28 hearing. Kelly cited the evidence against
• 1:07:30
  Farewell in her order, describing it as quote, very
• 1:07:33
  strong, if not overwhelming. close quote.
• 1:07:37
  She also considered the seriousness of the murder
• 1:07:39
  charge, which quote in and of itself weighs in favor of
• 1:07:42
  finding of a finding of dangerousness.
• 1:07:44
  Close quote Farewell is accused of killing Birchmore, 23, in
• 1:07:49
  early 2021 by strangling her and staging the scene to make it
• 1:07:53
  look like she did it to herself. Birchmore was pregnant at the
• 1:07:57
  time, and prosecutors say Farewell believed he was the
• 1:08:00
  father of her unborn child. Due to the nature of Farewell's
• 1:08:03
  alleged crime and potential sentence if convicted, he poses
• 1:08:07
  a flight risk, according to Kelly.
• 1:08:09
  She also determined that the context of the allegations
• 1:08:12
  suggest that his release would risk obstruction of justice.
• 1:08:16
  Quote. The government argues that
• 1:08:18
  Farewell poses a serious risk of obstruction of justice if
• 1:08:21
  released because there is strong evidence that he killed
• 1:08:24
  Birchmore in order to prevent her from revealing his past
• 1:08:27
  crimes and then altered the crime scene to prevent his crime
• 1:08:30
  from being discovered. That he often told her to
• 1:08:33
  destroy evidence of their relationship by telling her to
• 1:08:36
  delete texts and that he attempted to delete
• 1:08:39
  incriminating data from his own phone, Kelly wrote in the
• 1:08:43
  ruling. In addition, the government
• 1:08:45
  points to evidence that Farewell lied to Massachusetts State
• 1:08:48
  Police detectives who are investigating Birchmore's death.
• 1:08:53
  Farewell lived in North Easton with his wife and three children
• 1:08:56
  prior to his arrest, but he proposed to lived in Mansfield
• 1:09:00
  with his mother for released, according to the order.
• 1:09:03
  He's still awaiting a separate request to have certain items of
• 1:09:05
  evidence excluded from the case and emotion, which prosecutors
• 1:09:08
  have opposed. So we will we will continue to
• 1:09:12
  keep our eye on that. Another case that we are
• 1:09:15
  watching is the murder of Anna Kepner.
• 1:09:19
  Her stepbrother Timothy Hudson is charged in her murder.
• 1:09:28
  This from people.com. New details about Anna Kepner's
• 1:09:31
  cruise ship death revealed in unsealed court documents.
• 1:09:34
  And I've actually got my hands on these documents it there are
• 1:09:37
  myriad it's 145 pages if I remember going through them page
• 1:09:40
  of time. OK Anna Kepner written by whom?
• 1:09:44
  Chris Spargo Anna Kepner was seen entering cabin 8343 aboard
• 1:09:48
  the Carnival Cruise Lines Horizon at 7:38 PM on November
• 1:09:53
  6th, 2025, according to court documents obtained by People.
• 1:09:57
  She would never emerge from that room.
• 1:09:59
  And the following morning, a member of the crew's cleaning
• 1:10:01
  crew, quote, found the victim wrapped in a blanket and stuffed
• 1:10:04
  underneath her bed close quote the said prosecutor, Alejandra
• 1:10:09
  Lopez of the US Attorney's office for the Southern District
• 1:10:13
  of Florida. Lopez went on to say that it
• 1:10:15
  quote appeared that someone had tried to hide her again by
• 1:10:19
  partial hide her again by partially putting her underneath
• 1:10:23
  the bed and putting a box of life vests to cover the view of
• 1:10:27
  the body from the rest of the room. close quote.
• 1:10:30
  These are just a few of the new details being revealed in a
• 1:10:33
  recently unsealed transcript from a February hearing for the
• 1:10:36
  individual accused in of Anna's murder, her 16 year old
• 1:10:40
  stepbrother Timothy Hudson. Anna's body was so well hidden
• 1:10:44
  that her brother slept in their cabin that night and had no idea
• 1:10:47
  that he was just a few feet away feet away from his sister's
• 1:10:51
  corpse. Lopez set in court Anna's
• 1:10:54
  brother was the last person to see her alive prior to the
• 1:10:57
  alleged crime, with Lopez revealing he told investigators
• 1:11:00
  that he saw his sister while making a quick pit stop at their
• 1:11:03
  cabin at 7:51 PM that night. He did not see his sister when
• 1:11:08
  he returned approximately 4 hours later, said Lopez, and
• 1:11:11
  when he returned to go to bed just after midnight, he could
• 1:11:13
  not get into the room at first. He told investigators that when
• 1:11:17
  he went to enter the room at 12 O 9:00 AM, Timothy blocked him
• 1:11:20
  from coming in and made him wait in the hallway for approximately
• 1:11:24
  2 minutes. Lopez said after sleeping 9
• 1:11:27
  hours, the brother was back to running around the cruise ship
• 1:11:29
  with friends on the morning of November 7th.
• 1:11:32
  Hudson, meanwhile, entered the room 3 minutes before Anna on
• 1:11:36
  November 6th, leaving on just a handful of occasions in the next
• 1:11:39
  18 hours. Lopez alleged in court that
• 1:11:42
  Hudson not only hid the body but also destroyed Anna's cell
• 1:11:46
  before disposing of it in the trash.
• 1:11:49
  Anna's father, Christopher Kepner, and Hudson's mother,
• 1:11:52
  Chantelle, have both said that they cut all ties with the 16
• 1:11:56
  year old after Anna's death. Wow.
• 1:12:03
  Hudson, who had been living in the same house as Christopher
• 1:12:06
  Chantelle and Anna, was sent to live with a family member
• 1:12:09
  shortly after returning from the cruise and remains there while
• 1:12:12
  on pretrial release. And then it just, yeah, it
• 1:12:17
  summarizes the case from there. So we're getting some details
• 1:12:21
  about the night that poor Anna Kepner died.
• 1:12:26
  And boy, this is a this is a doozy of a case, guys.
• 1:12:32
  This is a doozy of a case now. Oh, let's.
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  No, Gavin, you got to push the right button.
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  Those are your headlines, guys. True crime headlines.
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  OK, this is where we call on Wanda.
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  Wanda, we need some transition music.
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  We have been talking about terrible crimes.
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  We've had some, we've had a tangent into the world of audio
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  and that has been that has been refreshing.
• 1:13:03
  But we are going to finish out with some good news.
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  So Wanda, can you give us some good news?
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  Transition music? Take it away, Wanda.
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  Well, now I got to say I think those I think those lyrics are
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  rather AIE, did you cheat on that one a little bit that this
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  didn't make a lot of but but it did bring us some some
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  transition. I am feeling happier.
• 1:13:42
  And with that, I will bring you this good news from the Good
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  News Network. I like this owl found in
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  concrete gets feather transplant so it can fly silently again
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  into the wild. Shut up.
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  No, I will not shut up. I will continue.
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  Gavin, don't tell me to shut up. Here we go.
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  A great horned owl found covered in concrete has flown to freedom
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  after six months of care at a Utah sanctuary.
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  A Good Samaritan found him in a concrete mixer in October and
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  called the Best Friends Animal Society headquarters 80 miles
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  away in Kanab. I have happy memories of, well,
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  I, I don't think I've ever been to Kanab, but the, the name of
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  the place, it doesn't matter. That's a tangent that we won't
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  get into. OK.
• 1:14:33
  After removing the concrete, the team at the nonprofit's Wildlife
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  Refuge, Wild Friends, realized the young owl required new
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  feathers to achieve silent flight, which is a necessity in
• 1:14:45
  the wild. They waited patiently for the
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  owl to mold, which would have replaced the damaged feathers
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  naturally. But his spring mold was not
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  going as predicted. That led Wild Friend, the Wild
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  Friends team, to take a training course about a procedure they
• 1:15:00
  had never done before, imping, which requires using donor
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  feathers and adhesive to replace the Raptor feathers.
• 1:15:08
  Shut up. No, I will not shut up.
• 1:15:12
  Don't tell me to shut up, Gavin. OK?
• 1:15:15
  Luckily, they found a donation from a wildlife rescue group in
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  northern Utah, where a great horned owl of similar size had
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  passed away. To prepare for surgery,
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  supervisor Bart Richwalski kept track of the owl's feather
• 1:15:28
  patterns. We looked at his feathers every
• 1:15:31
  few weeks, so we knew which ones would have to be done.
• 1:15:34
  Snipping damaged shafts in advance.
• 1:15:37
  The imping finally took place on May 1st, with Best Best Friend
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  staff veterinarian Kelsey Parraz joining three members of the
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  Wild Friends team for the 90 minute procedure.
• 1:15:47
  The donor feathers, Oh well, there's a photo.
• 1:15:49
  Look at this. Oh my goodness.
• 1:15:53
  The donor feathers were laid out to replicate each wing so the
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  team could line up the replacement feather, cut it to
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  the necessary length and adhere it while the owl was under
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  anesthesia. Ultimately, 10 primary and one
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  second feather were replaced on the owl's right wing, while the
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  left wing didn't require any replacements.
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  Shut up. No, do not shut up.
• 1:16:15
  Quote The first few feathers were extremely nerve wracking,
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  but as we got into the groove, the imping became more
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  comfortable and everything went smoothly, Richwalski said.
• 1:16:24
  The team told GNN that the new feathers will come out naturally
• 1:16:28
  during future molds. He'll lose a couple of our imp
• 1:16:31
  feathers each year until he replaces that entire wing.
• 1:16:34
  After the successful imping, the owl was set to be released in
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  the wild after Silent Flight had been achieved inside the Wild
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  Friends large aviary and no video OK the owl.
• 1:16:45
  Once the owl was seen flying to the highest perch, Richwalski
• 1:16:47
  measured the sound of its wing beat using a decibel meter.
• 1:16:50
  He determined that the owl's flight was quiet enough for safe
• 1:16:53
  release. While the aviary roof slowly
• 1:16:56
  retracted, the owl hovered a bit before gaining speed, then
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  flying straight up and out into the wild.
• 1:17:02
  What a beautiful thing. Oh my goodness.
• 1:17:06
  It was quite a full circle moment for which Wolski, who had
• 1:17:09
  cared for the owl since picking him up in Saint George, which is
• 1:17:12
  Southern Utah, Quote I don't know that my heart was beating
• 1:17:15
  until I saw him leave. I was beside myself knowing that
• 1:17:18
  after all this time he was healthy and back in the wild.
• 1:17:20
  It was such a good feeling. The owl's remarkable journey has
• 1:17:24
  touched every level of the organization.
• 1:17:26
  Quote Best Friends Animal Society believes that every
• 1:17:29
  animal has intrinsic value, and the care that our team took with
• 1:17:33
  this owl really reflects that belief, said Judah Matista, the
• 1:17:36
  society's chief sanctuary officer.
• 1:17:38
  I'm so proud of the Wild Friends team for their incredibly hard
• 1:17:41
  work to get this out. Its freedom.
• 1:17:43
  I am too, guys. This stuff makes me feel good,
• 1:17:46
  especially good news about animals.
• 1:17:48
  I don't know, it just makes me feel good.
• 1:17:49
  And I, I'm glad that you guys kind of hang in there while I
• 1:17:54
  read that kind of good news. It just, I don't know, it just
• 1:17:57
  makes me happy, just makes me very, very happy.
• 1:18:02
  Let's finish out the show by going back to your comments.
• 1:18:07
  It's probably going to have to refresh.
• 1:18:09
  And here we go. Let's see Jacqueline Jacobson,
• 1:18:13
  says Gavin, the scent of autumn leaves on the ground after her
• 1:18:17
  rain. Yeah, that, that is a beautiful
• 1:18:20
  scent. And I'm sure a lot of us, a lot
• 1:18:24
  of us share that those or memories or share or have
• 1:18:30
  memories associated with that smell, I should say.
• 1:18:32
  Lynn Taylor, Gavin, do you have the Merlin bird ID app?
• 1:18:35
  You will love it. I do not the Merlin bird ID app.
• 1:18:38
  I will do that. Thank you very much.
• 1:18:41
  Real happy 33 said when Gavin said 260,000 plus miles, I knew
• 1:18:46
  it was a Toyota. Best car I've ever had guys.
• 1:18:49
  Such a good car. I, I, I don't ever, honestly, I
• 1:18:53
  don't ever want to get rid of this car.
• 1:18:54
  I've got so many happy memories in it.
• 1:18:56
  We, I have driven coast to coast, I mean from literal coast
• 1:19:03
  to coast in that car probably 4 times and with my family in it,
• 1:19:09
  sharing, sharing memories on the road.
• 1:19:11
  It has never let us down. It is, it is just the best car
• 1:19:16
  ever. I will never get rid of it.
• 1:19:18
  Frida people, says Gavin Robbins.
• 1:19:20
  I think the morning or evening call.
• 1:19:21
  Love chickadees too. Very cool, Very cool.
• 1:19:27
  Mabel says. I love shoebill storks, but my
• 1:19:30
  favorite bird from where I am is the in the Pacific Northwest is
• 1:19:35
  the crow. Yeah, crows are cool.
• 1:19:37
  They are cool. Beth Pepper says Cardinals are
• 1:19:41
  my favorite. And sharing about Sherry says
• 1:19:45
  the explanation of the record versus what we hear does make
• 1:19:48
  sense. People tell me I sound great
• 1:19:50
  singing, but I sound awful. I think I sound awful.
• 1:19:53
  Yeah, we all, we all feel that way.
• 1:19:55
  Everybody feels that way. Child of God says my favorite
• 1:19:59
  bird sound belongs to my own feathered children.
• 1:20:02
  Chickens, ducks, Guineas, turkeys.
• 1:20:04
  They each have a personality of their own.
• 1:20:06
  You know, we had we kept chickens for several years and I
• 1:20:10
  loved I loved them. I thought they were hilarious.
• 1:20:15
  My favorite was Missus S She was Missus Eulaly McKechnie Shin.
• 1:20:20
  She was, I can't. She was a.
• 1:20:25
  Oh, I think she was a buff Warrington.
• 1:20:28
  I can't remember exactly what she was now.
• 1:20:31
  Oh, no, no, she was I'm, I'm, I'm confusing my chicken.
• 1:20:35
  She was a Leghorn and, and, and she was just hilarious and I
• 1:20:41
  love their little personalities. That's cool.
• 1:20:44
  Very cool. See if there's anything else you
• 1:20:46
  guys want me to read. Sack baby.
• 1:20:49
  I'm guessing from Sacramento and owl in concrete.
• 1:20:52
  Poor little thing. Glad it's OK.
• 1:20:53
  Shut up. You're hilarious, Gavin.
• 1:20:55
  Oh, from Canada Can 8. So maybe not Sacramento.
• 1:20:59
  Lynn Taylor says it would be cool to have a tracker on the
• 1:21:02
  owl and follow him. Now that would be cool.
• 1:21:06
  Mooney says I'm looking for a gently used Toyota SUV for that
• 1:21:10
  very reason. Yeah.
• 1:21:11
  Yeah, in our family we have two Toyota SU VS1 belongs to
• 1:21:16
  Kimberly and I-1 belongs to our son.
• 1:21:18
  They are different models, different ages.
• 1:21:22
  And then our daughter has a Prius.
• 1:21:25
  I, we, we are a Toyota family. We are a Toyota and ABMW family.
• 1:21:30
  I don't know, I just love BMWI. I've we've owned six or seven of
• 1:21:34
  them. We currently have one.
• 1:21:37
  I I love them all. I, I love, I love BMW, but it is
• 1:21:42
  not anywhere near the quality of a Toyota.
• 1:21:47
  This is not this is not guys, thank you so much for hanging
• 1:21:51
  out with me today. I deeply appreciate you.
• 1:21:55
  Thank you for all of your support.
• 1:21:56
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• 1:21:59
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• 1:22:02
  your super stickers, for being patrons over on Patreon, members
• 1:22:06
  over here on YouTube. Remember that you can always
• 1:22:09
  reach out to me through my website, gavinfish.com.
• 1:22:12
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• 1:22:15
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• 1:22:19
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• 1:22:20
  And you are always, always, always welcome.
• 1:22:24
  And hopefully I will see you again tomorrow at this very
• 1:22:28
  place, wherever you are, whichever medium you are
• 1:22:32
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• 1:22:36
  hope. I will be going live right here
• 1:22:38
  on YouTube at 6:00 PM Eastern Time and until then I bid you
• 1:22:42
  adieu and I hope to see you then.
• 1:22:45
  Take care of yourself.