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[#3] Naked Awareness Spontaneously Arising (May 2025) · Lama Lena Teachings

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SPEAKER_02: Make an adjustment.
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SPEAKER_02: The whole thing is slanted that way.
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SPEAKER_03: It's not supposed to slant.
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SPEAKER_03: Wait, is it slanting down?
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Now it's right.
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SPEAKER_00: Good enough.
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SPEAKER_03: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: This is the continuation.
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SPEAKER_02: Of a Dzogchen text by Guru Rinpoche, Padmasambhadva.
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SPEAKER_02: Naked awareness spontaneously arising.
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SPEAKER_02: And the title is the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_02: The rest is just somebody riffing off it.
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SPEAKER_02: Guru Rinpoche riffing off it.
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SPEAKER_01: However, Since most of you like more words, I will give them to you.
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SPEAKER_01: You got to remember though, words by their nature express thoughts.
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SPEAKER_01: Thoughts by their nature are inaccurate.
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SPEAKER_01: They cannot encompass the totality of anything.
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SPEAKER_01: They can only describe it from a point of view,
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SPEAKER_01: like the story of the blind men and the elephant.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you all know that Buddhist story?
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SPEAKER_02: So like that story, everyone had a point of view, but nobody knew what an elephant was.
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SPEAKER_02: It's big.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like a tree trunk.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like a snake.
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SPEAKER_02: It's hard like bone.
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SPEAKER_02: It's hairy and tassely.
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SPEAKER_02: It feels like soft paper,
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SPEAKER_02: ears, tail, whatever they were touching.
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SPEAKER_02: And none of those
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SPEAKER_02: perceptions of the elephant described were anywhere near
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SPEAKER_02: the entirety of the elephant.
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SPEAKER_02: This is an analogy for
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SPEAKER_01: Zogchen teachings.
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SPEAKER_01: So don't take the words to heart.
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SPEAKER_01: Look where they point.
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SPEAKER_02: This is important in any Dzogchen teaching.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure, you can memorize all the wonderful words and read all the wonderful books.
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SPEAKER_02: And that and Token will get you on the subway.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a matter of looking where they all point.
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SPEAKER_02: And they don't all agree.
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SPEAKER_02: Some say it's big, some say it's miniscule, some say it's inside, some say it's outside.
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SPEAKER_02: Blind men and an elephant.
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SPEAKER_02: If you put together everything all the blind men said,
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SPEAKER_02: you might have some idea of an elephant, but it wouldn't be accurate.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, Jenny.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, Jenny.
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SPEAKER_00: Durjichang,
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SPEAKER_00: Chichilunarudang,
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SPEAKER_00: Marpa Milagomputsatsapa,
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SPEAKER_00: Napupadang, Paldenchupas, Hukargyulama namla, Solohadeb.
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SPEAKER_00: Hochenlamanamla, Solohadeb.
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SPEAKER_00: Drodchen Lama Namla Soluadev.
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SPEAKER_00: Kaginwarin Lama Namla Soluadev.
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SPEAKER_00: Shakya Lama Namla Soluadev.
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SPEAKER_00: Yendudangyundran Lama Namla Soluadev.
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SPEAKER_00: The fuck?
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SPEAKER_00: There it is.
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SPEAKER_02: Actually, guys, we're on six, not seven.
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SPEAKER_02: So translators out there, I had finished five, I believe.
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SPEAKER_02: Although I think I may go back over a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: And then begin on six.
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SPEAKER_02: No?
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SPEAKER_02: I think I did do six, sorry about that.
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SPEAKER_02: You're right, we're on seven.
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SPEAKER_03: Are we able to list the PDF in the chat or no?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: No, in chat?
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: So you remember chapters five and six were talking about the terminology.
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SPEAKER_02: Some people call it this, some people call it that.
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SPEAKER_02: Really, they were talking about the blind men and the elephant.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, when you are introduced to your own intrinsic method,
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SPEAKER_02: intrinsic awareness, the method for entering into it involves three considerations.
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SPEAKER_01: The thoughts in the past, the thoughts you thought yesterday,
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SPEAKER_01: you thought this morning, you thought a moment ago, they're gone.
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SPEAKER_01: They are clear and empty and they leave no trace behind.
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SPEAKER_01: There is no residue left of what you thought
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SPEAKER_02: about on Tuesday.
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SPEAKER_02: You may have a memory in this moment About Tuesday.
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SPEAKER_02: But that memory is not Tuesday as it was.
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SPEAKER_02: It's the current story you're telling yourself about Tuesday.
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SPEAKER_02: Thoughts of the past are
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SPEAKER_01: all gone.
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SPEAKER_01: Clear and empty and without trace.
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SPEAKER_01: The thoughts in the future will be and are fresh and
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SPEAKER_02: unconditioned by anything.
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SPEAKER_02: They will simply arise.
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SPEAKER_02: They do not need to be attached to the previous thought.
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SPEAKER_02: You do that out of habit.
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SPEAKER_02: Thought,
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SPEAKER_02: thought,
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SPEAKER_02: thought,
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SPEAKER_02: and then,
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SPEAKER_02: well, nom, nom, nom, and then you make these little talks that stick them together.
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SPEAKER_02: Talk, talk, talk, and it creates nam, talk, discursive thoughts.
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SPEAKER_01: But the little bitty nams,
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SPEAKER_01: the little bitty thought particles, they aren't actually related to each other.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't take my word for this.
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SPEAKER_01: With your channels in alignment, go have a look.
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SPEAKER_01: Release your obsessive compulsiveness.
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SPEAKER_02: Of staring at the thoughts and forcing them to appear to make sense.
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SPEAKER_02: Let them do their thing without you interfering.
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SPEAKER_02: Look between them.
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SPEAKER_02: Look beyond them.
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SPEAKER_02: Look through them.
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SPEAKER_01: You see how you create the connections?
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SPEAKER_01: You make the talks that stick the little noms together.
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SPEAKER_01: You create an illusion of connection.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you remember dreaming last night?
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SPEAKER_01: And your dreams have an illusion of one moment connecting to the next.
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SPEAKER_01: But when you wake up and examine them, you can see just how disconnected most
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SPEAKER_02: of them were.
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SPEAKER_02: There was a dog and then there wasn't a dog,
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SPEAKER_02: there was a fish, but the dog didn't change into a fish.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just that was the next thing that
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SPEAKER_01: you thought.
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SPEAKER_01: The disconnectedness is more obvious in common dream time.
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SPEAKER_01: Must be one of those days.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, and I can adjust this.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right, I'm on an iPad, not a text.
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SPEAKER_02: Make it bigger.
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SPEAKER_01: In the present moment,
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SPEAKER_01: when your mind remains in its own condition without constructing anything, try that,
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SPEAKER_01: Don't make anything out of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't meditate.
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SPEAKER_01: When you actually have your channels in aligned, it's ever so much easier.
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SPEAKER_02: Let it go.
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SPEAKER_02: You can take a minute to settle into this.
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SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
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SPEAKER_02: You have a habit, a twitch.
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SPEAKER_02: Here we go.
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SPEAKER_02: Just leave it be.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't poke it.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't make anything of it.
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SPEAKER_02: Just leave it in its natural condition,
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SPEAKER_02: exactly as it is, without you speculating on what that might be.
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SPEAKER_02: Now I'm without talk.
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SPEAKER_02: In order to enunciate to you, I have to make a talk.
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SPEAKER_02: Watch the little bitty bits of thought.
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SPEAKER_02: Attempt to arise, attempt to connect, or you attempt to connect them and simply don't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Sit on your hands metaphorically.
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SPEAKER_02: Awareness at that moment in and of itself is quite ordinary.
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SPEAKER_02: What, you think I'm going to show you something that makes your eyes bug out
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SPEAKER_02: and your mouth drop open?
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SPEAKER_00: Nuh-uh.
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SPEAKER_01: When you look into yourself in this way nakedly,
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SPEAKER_02: Without talking about it to yourself,
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SPEAKER_02: without speculating about what it might be,
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SPEAKER_02: without attempting to contain it in thoughts and ideas.
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SPEAKER_02: Since there is only this pure observing,
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SPEAKER_01: there will be found a lucid clarity without anyone being there who is the observer.
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SPEAKER_02: Only the observation will create the observer.
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SPEAKER_02: When you don't make the observation, you don't make the observer.
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SPEAKER_01: Try it again, see what I mean.
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SPEAKER_02: Just relax.
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SPEAKER_02: All sorts of random thought particles will pop up.
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SPEAKER_02: I just had a fish.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh goodness, and there goes a aardvark.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm connecting them for you to see them, show you the process.
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SPEAKER_02: But you don't connect them because you're not trying to show this to anyone right now.
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SPEAKER_02: So there's no requirement to connect it.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't think about what you're thinking.
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SPEAKER_02: And when you look into yourself in this way nakedly,
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SPEAKER_02: in this pure observing,
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SPEAKER_01: this awareness, this naked manifest awareness which is present, is empty and immaculately pure.
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SPEAKER_02: This naked awareness which is present has always been there whether you're thinking or not.
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SPEAKER_02: It's just that since you're obsessed with your thoughts, you don't notice it.
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SPEAKER_02: The training of Dzogchen is simply training you to notice it repeatedly
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SPEAKER_02: until it becomes an of course.
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SPEAKER_02: Utterly simple.
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SPEAKER_02: Not something you can't do.
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SPEAKER_02: If you are willing,
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SPEAKER_02: if doing this frightens you,
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SPEAKER_02: this is the sign that you need to do an ordinary and an extraordinary nundra.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what they're for.
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SPEAKER_02: It is also possible If you have some reason why you cannot do those practices,
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SPEAKER_02: to use rushens, which are Dzogchen nundros, for that purpose, Semzin.
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SPEAKER_02: But Semzin are nundros, be aware of this, they are not Dzogchen.
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SPEAKER_02: If you are not afraid of this, if you find this rather comfortable,
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SPEAKER_02: Then there is no reason to do preliminaries to it.
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SPEAKER_01: This awareness of the moment
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SPEAKER_01: To which nothing has been done, which has not been
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SPEAKER_02: clothed in any story or speculation.
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SPEAKER_01: This empty and immaculately pure awareness
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SPEAKER_01: is not being created in the moment.
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SPEAKER_01: It is inherently and intrinsically there.
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SPEAKER_02: It is the vitality of emptiness.
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SPEAKER_02: Also called innate Buddha consciousness.
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SPEAKER_02: In Sanskrit, Bodhisitta.
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SPEAKER_01: This natural awareness
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SPEAKER_01: is authentic and unadulterated.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't experience any duality of clarity and emptiness.
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SPEAKER_01: When the noticement of this becomes habitual through the
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SPEAKER_02: practice of gam,
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SPEAKER_02: which is the second word of Garabdurji,
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SPEAKER_01: you will become certain by your own experience that
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SPEAKER_01: That it has always been there and always will.
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SPEAKER_01: In that clear certainty,
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SPEAKER_01: which is poetically called letting mother and child luminosity unite,
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SPEAKER_01: where mother luminosity,
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SPEAKER_02: luminosity,
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SPEAKER_02: lucidity,
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SPEAKER_02: clear light nature of dharmakar, it's all things we call this just naked awareness.
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SPEAKER_02: The mother luminosity of ground is the inherent natural state of naked awareness,
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SPEAKER_02: which has been there from beginningless time and cannot be distorted,
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SPEAKER_02: only distracted from.
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SPEAKER_01: Child luminosity of ground,
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SPEAKER_01: or child luminosity of path,
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SPEAKER_01: sorry, is what is pointed out by your teacher in the four walls.
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SPEAKER_01: In the pointing out.
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SPEAKER_01: When you recognize those two by your own experience as one and the same thing,
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SPEAKER_02: which comes when you have changed enough,
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SPEAKER_02: you understand that you're made of experiences, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So when this becomes your basic experience, you are that, it changes you into that.
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SPEAKER_02: So that your little mind Which practices path.
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SPEAKER_02: Which wants to get enlightened.
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SPEAKER_02: And your, that's called Sem.
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SPEAKER_02: And your big mind, Sem Nhi, are recognized as one and the same.
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SPEAKER_02: Now don't take my word for this.
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SPEAKER_02: You gotta do it yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: Because all I'm giving you are more Nam talk.
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SPEAKER_01: Discursive thoughts.
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SPEAKER_01: The practice of this is utterly simple.
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SPEAKER_01: You start by during your day,
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SPEAKER_01: whatever you're doing, take a moment, sit down, align your channels and stop.
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SPEAKER_02: Put your book down, put your phone down and stop for a moment.
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SPEAKER_01: And then pick it back up and go on with your day.
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SPEAKER_01: Eventually, you will be able to clearly see this without having to stop for a moment.
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SPEAKER_02: Eventually, the fact that there is no this or
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SPEAKER_01: that will become obvious.
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SPEAKER_01: Simple method, but you've actually got to do it, not think about doing it.
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SPEAKER_01: You know how many years I spent thinking about doing this without actually doing it?
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SPEAKER_01: Sitting there and pausing to think about doing it.
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SPEAKER_01: That won't work.
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You actually gotta do it.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the secret.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the key.
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SPEAKER_01: Without any duality of clarity and emptiness,
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SPEAKER_01: it will also lack the duality of permanence and impermanence.
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SPEAKER_02: Let me take a sip.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm projecting my voice.
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SPEAKER_02: I probably don't need to since I have a microphone,
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SPEAKER_02: but I was used to doing this without a microphone.
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SPEAKER_02: Habit.
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SPEAKER_02: It is here where you no longer mistake a duality of confusion and wisdom.
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SPEAKER_02: That wasn't the text, I said that.
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SPEAKER_02: All of you out there who are trying to find where it is in the text
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SPEAKER_02: that I just said, saw you do that.
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SPEAKER_01: It is not a mere nothingness.
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SPEAKER_01: Or something which is that has been annihilated.
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SPEAKER_01: It is not a mere nothingness because it is lucid, awake, and aware.
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SPEAKER_01: It is not something that has been annihilated because nam talk,
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SPEAKER_01: discursive thoughts have ability to arise without attaining any form of solidity.
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SPEAKER_01: It does not exist as a single entity
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SPEAKER_01: because it is present and clear in terms of being many.
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SPEAKER_02: Look, multiplicity in samsara is self-evident.
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SPEAKER_02: So is unity.
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SPEAKER_01: That is a duality made by nam talk.
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SPEAKER_02: Multiplicity and unity.
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SPEAKER_02: No, we are not one with everything.
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SPEAKER_01: And yet we are not in any way separate from everything.
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SPEAKER_02: You really got to put down all the either ors and embrace the ands.
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SPEAKER_01: It is not created as a multiplicity of things because it is inseparable and of a single flavor.
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SPEAKER_02: Flavor is an analogy.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't have good words for sensations of the ye.
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SPEAKER_02: Of the tongue we can say flavor and then we can talk about salt, sweet, sour, bitter.
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SPEAKER_02: Of the nose we can talk about
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SPEAKER_01: sweet and pungent.
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SPEAKER_01: Of the ears,
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SPEAKER_01: we can describe sounds,
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SPEAKER_01: but we just have not developed the right vocabulary for sensations of the ye.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's what we're pointing to.
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SPEAKER_02: Mind is a sense organ.
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SPEAKER_02: It does not exist as a single entity
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SPEAKER_01: because it is present and clear in terms of being many.
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SPEAKER_01: It is the creativity that allows many to occur.
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SPEAKER_01: How would it be if we were all one person,
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SPEAKER_01: like we were all here, but we were all exactly the same?
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SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't you get bored of talking to each other after a while?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I get bored when it's all white
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SPEAKER_01: folks in here and all Americans.
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SPEAKER_02: You know,
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SPEAKER_02: I kind of miss the Europeans coming in,
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SPEAKER_02: but they can't get in at the moment safely, so.
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SPEAKER_01: I happen to like the flavor of multiplicity a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: So I like out there talking to y'all that we have all the languages being translated
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SPEAKER_01: And all the people from different cultures.
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SPEAKER_01: This is the multiplicity that mind creates.
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SPEAKER_01: So you cannot say that it exists singularly.
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SPEAKER_01: On the other hand,
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SPEAKER_02: It is not created as a multiplicity of things because it is inseparable,
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SPEAKER_02: interconnected, and of one taste.
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SPEAKER_02: Look again to see what I mean.
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SPEAKER_02: Don't think about looking, stop that.
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SPEAKER_02: Relax further.
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SPEAKER_02: Relax yourself past describing relaxing.
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SPEAKER_01: Allow the thought particles to dance as they will.
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SPEAKER_01: As many as there are, Rika, in the sky.
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SPEAKER_02: This is the one flavor when you stop thinking about it.
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SPEAKER_02: When you stop connecting all the thoughts that might be about it or might include a persimmon.
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SPEAKER_01: This inherent self-awareness, that is, it is aware of itself.
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SPEAKER_01: This is awareness aware of awareness.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not self-awareness as we would talk about it in culture.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, he's not very self-aware.
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SPEAKER_02: He doesn't realize he's got Klingons.
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SPEAKER_02: You might say of someone you almost dated.
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SPEAKER_01: It's...
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SPEAKER_01: Awareness aware of itself without thinking about being aware of itself.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what we mean here by self-awareness.
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SPEAKER_02: Wrong rig, wrong rig cell.
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SPEAKER_02: Luminous, wrong rig cell.
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SPEAKER_02: No, transparent self-awareness, wrong rig cell.
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SPEAKER_02: This is the real introduction to the actual condition of things.
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SPEAKER_02: This is the pointing out.
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SPEAKER_02: It is a different style of pointing out.
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SPEAKER_01: But it points at the same thing that we point
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SPEAKER_02: at through all the different styles of Madhyamika,
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SPEAKER_02: And mahamudra and mahaati.
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SPEAKER_02: Are there questions out there?
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SPEAKER_02: Or are there questions in here?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, Molly.
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SPEAKER_03: Let me give you a microphone.
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SPEAKER_03: Are the eyes supposed to maintain focus or is it okay if they go forward?
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SPEAKER_02: They're not supposed to maintain focus at all.
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SPEAKER_02: When you maintain eye focus because your attention follows the gaze of your eyes,
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SPEAKER_02: your attention will also go to point focus and it will inevitably pay attention
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SPEAKER_02: to what you're thinking.
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SPEAKER_01: So the trick actually is to do the Dzogchen eye focus of releasing point focus.
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SPEAKER_02: You can all sort of assume that for any kind of relaxing Dzogchen.
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SPEAKER_02: You don't maintain point focus.
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SPEAKER_02: Anything coming in from outside?
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, the internet also has questions.
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SPEAKER_02: Try to keep them on topic, choose ones that are on topic.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: Now I know the nature of mind.
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SPEAKER_03: I now see my life,
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SPEAKER_03: my Buddhist path,
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SPEAKER_03: and Gom is being,
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SPEAKER_03: as you say, which is merely confirming what I have always seen but not recognized.
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SPEAKER_03: What more is there?
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SPEAKER_02: Read it to me again, word for word.
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SPEAKER_03: Now I know the nature of mind.
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SPEAKER_03: I now see my life,
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SPEAKER_03: my Buddhist path,
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SPEAKER_03: and Gom as being as you say,
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SPEAKER_03: which is merely confirming what I have always seen but not recognized.
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SPEAKER_03: What more is there?
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SPEAKER_02: Allowing the karma of the display to complete itself while remaining this.
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SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, it will reemerge and knock you silly.
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SPEAKER_02: There's always something bigger than you are.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a story
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SPEAKER_02: for you.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: I've told this before.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a very fine tulku, very strong meditator, Zogchen and Tantra.
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SPEAKER_01: A young tulku.
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SPEAKER_01: Must have been in his late 20s, maybe early 30s.
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SPEAKER_01: The Chinese got him
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SPEAKER_02: on the way out.
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SPEAKER_02: Eventually, his monastery and everybody else managed to ransom him.
35:13
SPEAKER_02: But while they had him,
35:15
SPEAKER_02: they tortured him beyond a point he was able to deal with because everybody's got
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SPEAKER_02: that point.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, the hero in the movies always resists torture, yada, yada, yada.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: That's not real life.
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SPEAKER_02: Everybody's got a point.
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SPEAKER_02: And forced him to do things like piss on texts.
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SPEAKER_02: Big digpa.
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SPEAKER_02: Eventually got bailed out and was out, but it had broken
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SPEAKER_01: his dharma.
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SPEAKER_01: Eventually his body mostly recovered,
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SPEAKER_01: but he couldn't teach anymore and he had been a well-known teacher.
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SPEAKER_01: He thought that nothing was bigger
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SPEAKER_02: than dharma,
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SPEAKER_02: not realizing that that meant he thought nothing was bigger than his dharma
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SPEAKER_02: And he meant something that was.
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SPEAKER_02: For his many life progress, this is actually not a setback.
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SPEAKER_02: He learned something very, very important.
36:16
SPEAKER_02: But, oh man, it took me forever to just get him to do tag team with me up on a throne.
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SPEAKER_02: I think he may be recovering now and have a little small gompa and be teaching people.
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SPEAKER_02: And he's quite capable of it.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: What you have to realize is that no matter how much you know,
36:45
SPEAKER_01: there is something stronger than your realization because it's still yours
36:52
SPEAKER_01: and it's still held in a channel pattern and that can still be affected
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SPEAKER_01: by physical things.
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SPEAKER_02: Now maybe the 16th Karmapa
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SPEAKER_02: Well, all we know is that cancer wasn't bigger than his practice.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: And he didn't need pain meds when he died of it.
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SPEAKER_02: And the last thing he said as he was dying was to his doctor, you know, nothing happens.
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SPEAKER_02: So I won't say nobody, but I'm betting you.
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SPEAKER_01: Your practice has not reached that.
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SPEAKER_01: So what you do for as long as the body is there,
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SPEAKER_01: you maintain, not maintain, you relax into.
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SPEAKER_01: You permit this until such time as rainbow body occurs.
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SPEAKER_01: That is the sign
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SPEAKER_02: of completion.
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SPEAKER_02: That is the sign of the display having completed itself.
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SPEAKER_01: You can accelerate this occurrence
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SPEAKER_02: using togyal,
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SPEAKER_02: a method of sitting in certain positions with certain eye gazes
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SPEAKER_01: from this state.
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SPEAKER_01: If you can't get into this state,
38:29
SPEAKER_01: you can't do it any more than if you can't ride a bicycle,
38:33
SPEAKER_01: you can't pat your head and rub your tummy while riding a bicycle.
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SPEAKER_01: All you're going to do is skin your knees.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: So you have to be to the point you're talking about out there in order to even approach Togel.
38:51
SPEAKER_01: And then it's simply an accelerant for allowing the display
38:54
SPEAKER_02: to complete itself.
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SPEAKER_02: It will do it with Trektra anyway,
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SPEAKER_02: if you stay with it and don't just go play with your fun cities.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: How do I know this?
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SPEAKER_01: Within this intrinsic awareness,
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SPEAKER_01: The trikea,
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SPEAKER_01: the three jewels,
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SPEAKER_01: Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya, Nirmanakaya, are inseparable and fully present as one.
39:44
SPEAKER_02: You all understand the terms Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya, Nirmanakaya at a gut level?
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you how I learned those terms.
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SPEAKER_01: Pretend you don't know those terms and you're learning.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, no, let me teach you three new terms that you don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: Sit with your channels in alignment.
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SPEAKER_02: Shoulders back.
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SPEAKER_02: You're going to squeak.
40:16
SPEAKER_02: There.
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SPEAKER_02: Pull your hands back into your groin, into your groin.
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SPEAKER_02: You're not fiddling.
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SPEAKER_02: I know I won't think you're fiddling with it.
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SPEAKER_02: There you go.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: Allow the thought chains to disconnect by simply ceasing to maintain the connection
40:43
SPEAKER_02: between thought particles.
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SPEAKER_02: Without the limits
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SPEAKER_02: of the this's and that's imposed by your thinking,
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SPEAKER_01: there is an infinite,
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SPEAKER_01: empty vastness, a stillness.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you see that?
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SPEAKER_01: That's called Chuku.
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SPEAKER_02: Now it has a name, so if you want to say something about it, you can.
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SPEAKER_01: Keep looking.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you see the looker?
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SPEAKER_02: The seer that normally gazes out from behind your own eyes?
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SPEAKER_02: The meditator.
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SPEAKER_01: Not the personality.
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SPEAKER_01: Just the awareness itself that is aware of Chukku.
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SPEAKER_01: That is aware of thinking.
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SPEAKER_02: That naked awake awareness.
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SPEAKER_02: That's called Longku.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: And you see those little thought motes that keep dancing around trying to connect
42:31
SPEAKER_01: with each other?
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SPEAKER_02: Those are called truku.
42:47
SPEAKER_01: Now you have learned three new vocabulary words.
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SPEAKER_01: That's how my teacher taught me chuku,
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SPEAKER_02: longku, and truku.
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SPEAKER_02: It was maybe a year later that a real translator,
43:02
SPEAKER_02: like a book-learned one,
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SPEAKER_02: turned up and told me that those words actually meant dharmakaya,
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SPEAKER_02: sambhogakaya, and nirmanakaya.
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SPEAKER_02: I thought they were just chuku, longku, and truku, obviously quite familiar concepts by now.
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SPEAKER_02: So don't make them something highfaluted.
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SPEAKER_02: We simply call that infinite vastness of
43:31
SPEAKER_01: natural mind dharmakaya, chukku.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: And the vitality of it,
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SPEAKER_01: its awareness,
43:38
SPEAKER_01: its ability,
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SPEAKER_01: the lucidity,
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SPEAKER_01: which we euphemistically call the clear light nature of the dharmakaya,
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SPEAKER_02: which is intrinsic to that emptiness is that it is awake and aware.
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SPEAKER_02: We call that longku, which is
43:56
SPEAKER_01: sambhogakaya.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: You see how sambhogakaya is simply an intrinsic aspect of dharmakaya?
44:05
SPEAKER_01: It is the ability to think-feel.
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SPEAKER_02: It is shared by all life.
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SPEAKER_02: There aren't separations within it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's simply that energy of a life force,
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SPEAKER_02: which when not adulterated by constrictions, digpas, Negative karmas.
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SPEAKER_02: It is the enlightened nature of all Buddhas.
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SPEAKER_02: Buddha consciousness, bodhisitta.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: And all the little dancing bits of thought and physical sensations and feelings that
44:42
SPEAKER_01: the lucidity
44:43
SPEAKER_02: lucids at, creates to lucid at its entertainment.
44:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, those are nirmanakaya.
44:53
SPEAKER_01: But you see,
44:54
SPEAKER_01: the entertainment of the lucidity is not something separate from the lucidity,
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SPEAKER_01: from the awareness.
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SPEAKER_01: It creates it within itself, like having a daydream or a nightdream or a fantasy.
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SPEAKER_01: Your entire life is a fantasy.
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SPEAKER_01: You made it up.
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SPEAKER_01: Which means you have an incredible power over it.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't like something about it?
45:24
SPEAKER_01: Make it up different.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: Once you realize this, you have that power to make it up whichever way you want.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: Within the integrity of the dream,
45:36
SPEAKER_01: it's like in dream yoke,
45:37
SPEAKER_02: I tell you,
45:37
SPEAKER_02: you can wake yourself up if you don't respect the integrity of the dream.
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SPEAKER_02: If in the dream you are not able to fly, don't try.
45:47
SPEAKER_02: Because you'll just pop out the top of the dream, you'll wake up.
45:51
SPEAKER_02: Walk.
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SPEAKER_02: Unless wings grow upon
45:55
SPEAKER_01: you and then you may fly.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: So in saying in the life stream of perceptions, you have to respect their integrity.
46:08
SPEAKER_01: But within that, the future and the past are both mutable.
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SPEAKER_01: Got a trauma?
46:16
SPEAKER_02: Remember it differently.
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SPEAKER_02: Remember that you won rather than that you lost.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: Like Pee Wee, the first guy that ever raped me.
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SPEAKER_02: I knew how to do this even then, so... Did
46:32
SPEAKER_01: I ever tell you guys that story?
46:35
SPEAKER_02: Istanbul.
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SPEAKER_02: No.
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SPEAKER_02: And years.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a guy who I knew from the crowd around.
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SPEAKER_02: Claimed to be a Sufi.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm interested in Sufis.
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SPEAKER_01: And there was a party and he knew where it was and we were going to go to the party,
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SPEAKER_01: but he wanted to stop off home for his stash.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to go to the party, but I don't know
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SPEAKER_02: where it is.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: So I go up to his place with him and it's down these weird alleys
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SPEAKER_02: in this medina
47:04
SPEAKER_02: and we climb over a goat pen and we go through a door with many locks and we get
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SPEAKER_02: into this weird warehouse place.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: And he says, well, let's blow some before we go.
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SPEAKER_02: And it had opium in it, which I didn't realize.
47:18
SPEAKER_02: It had an opiated hash.
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SPEAKER_02: So I had a couple of pipes, and I'm like, and the next thing I realized, I'm tied up.
47:29
SPEAKER_02: And so the guy goes through his process,
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SPEAKER_02: and I'm getting pissed off,
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SPEAKER_02: but I haven't a clue where I am or how to get out of there.
47:37
SPEAKER_02: So I said, okay, well, you know, I was horny anyway.
47:40
SPEAKER_02: Let's see where this goes.
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SPEAKER_02: He wasn't good at it.
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SPEAKER_02: So I got pissed off.
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SPEAKER_02: Because here I am having kinky sex with this guy down a deep back alley in Tangier.
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SPEAKER_02: Cool, I've been reading William Burroughs, this is fine.
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SPEAKER_02: Except he's rather small hung and not very good at it.
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SPEAKER_02: So finally we get dressed and go on to the party.
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SPEAKER_02: He figures, he's a good Muslim you see, so he figures I must be embarrassed by this.
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SPEAKER_02: By this time, I'm like half pissed and half laughing.
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SPEAKER_01: My choice of how to see it.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: So we get to the party and I'll say,
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SPEAKER_01: guys, you'll never
48:24
SPEAKER_02: believe the funny experience I had on the way over here.
48:29
SPEAKER_02: And I tell the story and then I turn to him and say, Pee Wee, you gotta up your game.
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SPEAKER_02: He had to leave town because the Pee Wee
48:38
SPEAKER_01: name stuck.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: The point I'm making by this story is that you choose how to see what is happening to you.
48:54
SPEAKER_01: I've had other experiences that should have been highly traumatic that weren't.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: And I've had experiences that shouldn't have been the least bit traumatic,
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SPEAKER_01: like somebody looked at me.
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SPEAKER_01: That has been highly traumatic.
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SPEAKER_01: Or confused me by saying some slang word that I didn't know and that was just a great trauma.
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SPEAKER_02: It's how you take it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not fixed.
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SPEAKER_01: This makes sense to anybody.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: So choose how you're going to write the story of what's happening to you.
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SPEAKER_01: If you don't like how you think it is, think it different.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: It's just NAMM talk.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: Within the integrity of the dream.
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SPEAKER_01: I couldn't get myself unchained from that thing.
49:54
SPEAKER_01: The integrity of the dream was that there I was.
49:56
SPEAKER_01: So you work with...
50:00
SPEAKER_02: That's too damn stoned.
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SPEAKER_02: That was in the process of me learning not to go about too damn stoned.
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SPEAKER_02: That still took another year before I learned that.
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SPEAKER_01: Now you've all probably learned that by now.
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SPEAKER_01: Those of you who haven't, let me tell you, don't go about too damn stoned.
50:37
SPEAKER_02: Within this intrinsic awareness,
50:39
SPEAKER_02: the trikaya,
50:41
SPEAKER_02: Dharmakaya, Sambhogakaya, Nermanakaya are inseparable and fully
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SPEAKER_01: present as one.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: Do you see how that works?
50:52
SPEAKER_01: Since it is empty and not created anywhere whatsoever, it is the Dharmakaya.
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SPEAKER_02: Since its luminous clarity represents the inherent transparent radiance
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SPEAKER_02: of emptiness, it is the Sambhogakaya.
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SPEAKER_01: Since its arising is nowhere obstructed or interrupted, it is
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SPEAKER_02: the Nirmanakaya.
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SPEAKER_02: You asked me what to do next once this was all quite obvious.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to allow its arising
51:35
SPEAKER_01: unobstructed and uninterruptedly without trying
51:40
SPEAKER_01: to fix it long enough for the display to complete itself.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I suspect that one of the reasons togyal works
51:51
SPEAKER_02: is that you're in
51:52
SPEAKER_02: a particular body position so you can't reach out and poke at anything to try
51:58
SPEAKER_02: to fix it.
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SPEAKER_02: Once you know this,
52:09
SPEAKER_02: then you stop poking
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SPEAKER_02: until
52:17
SPEAKER_02: your flesh form falls away
52:21
SPEAKER_02: and your rainbow body is evident.
52:25
SPEAKER_02: You don't get rainbow body.
52:28
SPEAKER_01: You don't turn into a rainbow.
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SPEAKER_01: Your channel body Is your rainbow body.
52:35
SPEAKER_01: You already got it.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: It's just not evident to you and others at this time.
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SPEAKER_01: Because karma is creating your flesh body.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: When you exhaust the karma by letting the display run down,
52:56
SPEAKER_02: using various techniques to speed it up or just sitting there,
53:03
SPEAKER_01: it runs down.
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SPEAKER_01: Long as you don't pull back out of the self-survival instinct,
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SPEAKER_01: out of the self-preservation instinct,
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SPEAKER_01: if you do pull back out of that,
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SPEAKER_02: it won't happen.
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SPEAKER_02: Your flesh body will die in the process of your rainbow body becoming prominent.
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SPEAKER_01: So you gotta not have a problem with that for that to happen.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, just sit in Trekja.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: If you're not ready to die, it's too soon for you to be practicing Togel.
53:49
SPEAKER_02: Because you might be hit by a truck tomorrow, so you better get ready.
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SPEAKER_01: These three, the trikea, being completely and fully present as one are its very essence.
54:17
SPEAKER_01: Questions?
54:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to make this completely understandable and yet show you the beauty of it.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I could just chant it as poetry with Wong,
54:28
SPEAKER_01: but then you'd have a very nice experience and you'd go home and go on
54:34
SPEAKER_01: with your life.
54:36
SPEAKER_02: Which you'll probably do anyway.
54:38
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
54:46
SPEAKER_03: That a video game comes with its own internal rules.
54:49
SPEAKER_03: It's a story that exists only when you're playing it,
54:53
SPEAKER_03: but you can also play it any way that you want.
54:56
SPEAKER_03: That some people try to get through it as fast as possible to reach the end.
55:00
SPEAKER_03: Some people get extremely upset.
55:02
SPEAKER_03: They're throwing their controller at the TV,
55:04
SPEAKER_03: but This is something that,
55:06
SPEAKER_03: you know,
55:06
SPEAKER_03: they're only upset because they're playing the game
55:09
SPEAKER_03: and they've made themselves disupset when they could just turn it off.
55:13
SPEAKER_01: May I recommend books by Jack L. Chalker?
55:17
SPEAKER_01: Have you read any of them?
55:20
SPEAKER_01: The question through several books is whether this is a video game or not.
55:27
SPEAKER_02: And whether we are still in it or not.
55:31
SPEAKER_02: As many different occurrences happen in life,
55:34
SPEAKER_02: and it starts out where people go in to play a test video game,
55:38
SPEAKER_02: and then they come out,
55:39
SPEAKER_02: but did they come out, or was that part of the test video game?
55:43
SPEAKER_02: And it's very interesting.
55:46
SPEAKER_02: If you like to play video games, I recommend those books by Jack Chalker.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: Did I answer your question?
55:57
SPEAKER_02: I agree with you.
55:59
SPEAKER_02: It is very much like a video game.
56:01
SPEAKER_02: That's a non-traditional Tibetan analogy.
56:07
SPEAKER_02: They say like a mirage or the display of a magician
56:15
SPEAKER_02: because they didn't have video games and TVs
56:19
SPEAKER_01: to use as analogies.
56:24
SPEAKER_01: Any questions in the out there?
56:26
SPEAKER_03: Yes, let me take this microphone back.
56:31
SPEAKER_03: Earlier you were talking about the idea of working with the dream.
56:37
SPEAKER_03: And we had one person ask,
56:40
SPEAKER_03: why for some practitioners is it much easier to see the nature of mind in
56:47
SPEAKER_03: the dream time?
56:50
SPEAKER_02: I've never heard of that.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
56:56
SPEAKER_02: I've never heard of anyone seeing nature of mind more easily in the dream time than
57:00
SPEAKER_02: in the awake time.
57:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it could happen, but it's not within my experience
57:08
SPEAKER_02: or any story anybody told
57:10
SPEAKER_01: me.
57:11
SPEAKER_01: Anybody here have that experience?
57:18
SPEAKER_01: So next question.
57:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't have an answer for that one.
57:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
57:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm just,
57:29
SPEAKER_01: these two words I'm learning, you have long-cu.
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SPEAKER_01: Chu-cu.
57:33
SPEAKER_01: Chu-cu.
57:34
SPEAKER_01: Long-cu.
57:34
SPEAKER_01: Long-cu.
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SPEAKER_01: Tru-cu.
57:35
SPEAKER_01: Tru-cu.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: Tru-cu.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: T-R-U-L.
57:38
SPEAKER_02: Ku means body, as kaya means body in Tibetan.
57:45
SPEAKER_02: It's a polite word for body, zug is implied.
57:51
SPEAKER_02: When you wanna ask a venerable person how they are,
57:54
SPEAKER_02: it's ,
58:01
SPEAKER_02: wherever you just wanna say, hey, move over ,
58:06
SPEAKER_02: get off that bench.
58:07
SPEAKER_02: You might say to your dog, get your body off the bench.
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SPEAKER_02: Or the cat or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
58:21
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
58:27
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
58:31
SPEAKER_01: Nyando, anything else out there that's close to on topic?
58:35
SPEAKER_01: We're in Zogchen.
58:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
58:37
SPEAKER_03: We keep sort of edging over into there.
58:41
SPEAKER_03: One moment, and I'll have a question for you that I saw recently.
58:46
SPEAKER_03: One person asked, why does this particular process...
58:51
SPEAKER_03: Why does this particular practice make them feel tired?
59:00
SPEAKER_01: There are a variety of reasons
59:03
SPEAKER_02: why this particular practice would make you feel tired.
59:06
SPEAKER_02: One is you have a resistance to it.
59:09
SPEAKER_02: And so the push-pull of resistance to the practice is exhausting.
59:19
SPEAKER_02: So you might want to examine your resistance and do a Ruchen to deal with that.
59:27
SPEAKER_02: You might want to see what part of this you're resistant to and then ask
59:32
SPEAKER_02: for
59:36
SPEAKER_02: what Ruchen might be suitable for that.
59:40
SPEAKER_02: Or Semzin to help you get past that particular resistance.
59:45
SPEAKER_02: The other reason being, like many people, you
59:47
SPEAKER_01: may actually simply be short on sleep.
59:51
SPEAKER_01: And when you're not busy with something distracting yourself,
59:56
SPEAKER_01: you notice the fact that you are damn tired.
59:59
SPEAKER_01: So if that person asking has young children, that's why.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_01: Next question.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_03: One of our Spanish viewers wanted a few more details on the rainbow body and what it is.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_02: Your channel body,
1:00:27
SPEAKER_02: not just the central channel and the two side-by-side channels, but all the chakras.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: Ah, damn.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_02: All the chakras and the rays that come out of the chakras,
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SPEAKER_01: we do not have a tonka in here that I could point to,
1:00:52
SPEAKER_01: but when you look at a tonka of a teacher of Guru Rinpoche,
1:00:57
SPEAKER_01: there's always these little things coming out,
1:01:00
SPEAKER_01: filaments coming out, and they go straight out, they're not curved.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a symbol of rainbow body.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_01: It's like the halo that you see around Saints is a symbol of rainbow body,
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SPEAKER_01: but they don't quite draw it as detailed as the Tibetans.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's the inherent channel body in it,
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SPEAKER_01: in you, only it's obscured by the meat and your habitual focus on the meat.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you put a lot of your daily energy into taking care of that meat.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_02: LAUGHTER You know, you feed it, you wash it, you decorate it like a Christmas tree sometimes.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_02: Mardi Gras, you decorate it like a Christmas tree.
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SPEAKER_02: Other times it's more, you know, you go for elegant or something else.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_01: You exercise it so it don't get fat.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_01: You pay attention to how many beignets you're having every week.
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SPEAKER_02: Everybody pays attention to the number of beignets.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good one.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you can see these things sticking out.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, they're there anyway.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_01: I can see them on you.
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SPEAKER_01: But I have to shift where I look.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_01: It's just what you do when you're looking at auras.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_01: It's a diagnostic method.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_02: So auracite is totally simple.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_02: I once did an experiment in a...
1:02:29
SPEAKER_02: I was working the night shift at TSA.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't TSA then.
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SPEAKER_02: It was private.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_01: And so there were no planes, much happened and nothing was going on.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_01: We were all bored.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: There was a stuck executive, a floor sweeper and another security guard.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wondered just how easy it was to teach people to see auras.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_01: So I tried it, worked on all three of them.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_01: It's easy to see auras.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just a shift of your gaze.
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SPEAKER_01: You want to see that?
1:03:07
SPEAKER_01: You want to see Auras?
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, have I got white behind me?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: You all turn sideways, look in those ways.
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SPEAKER_01: So you can look at somebody with like a solid color behind them.
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SPEAKER_01: Grab a chair if you would, Karen,
1:03:24
SPEAKER_01: and sit up on a chair so that you're against the white and would you also grab
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SPEAKER_01: a chair and sit on it?
1:03:31
SPEAKER_01: So you all use them as an example.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_01: You can look at me if I wiggle it,
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SPEAKER_01: but there's so much behind me that it's hard for you to see it
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SPEAKER_02: for the beginning.
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SPEAKER_02: So first thing is to grab a white background.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_02: Doesn't matter how far close to you are,
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SPEAKER_02: just as long as you're in front of the white background.
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SPEAKER_02: So when people look at the one across from you, you see them against a white background.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_02: If they're against the window, move your spot.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_02: Or switch people.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_02: Align your channels because it makes life easier.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_02: So actually turn your body towards the person you're looking at.
1:04:17
SPEAKER_02: Just to make it easy for the first time.
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SPEAKER_02: Relax your eye gaze like the Zogchen thing.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_02: You don't have to relax your attention though, just your eyeballs.
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SPEAKER_02: Gonna start seeing colors, shapes.
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SPEAKER_02: It'll come and go at first.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they look dark.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they look light.
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SPEAKER_02: Shapes around their head is usually the easiest place to see it,
1:05:05
SPEAKER_02: although it's around the body too.
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SPEAKER_02: It'll look like it sticks out.
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SPEAKER_02: The brighter level for maybe a centimeter.
1:05:27
SPEAKER_02: And then there's another level for an inch or two.
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SPEAKER_02: And then there's another dimmer level that goes out past that,
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SPEAKER_02: that sort of fades out after about six inches.
1:05:39
SPEAKER_02: But if you keep looking, it'll seem to extend even further.
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SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it seems to shift to the side and move back in.
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Just relax your eyeballs.
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SPEAKER_02: Squint a little bit if you need to, but keep your eyeballs relaxed.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_02: Find it easier with my eyes, like just a crack open.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_01: It's not quite as fully relaxed and open as the Zogchen focus, but it approaches it.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_02: It's like halfway into the Zogchen focus.
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SPEAKER_02: How many of you have seen it so far?
1:07:07
SPEAKER_01: Okay, keep working at it.
1:07:09
SPEAKER_01: This is the trick.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_01: It's totally easy.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_01: It's an eye-focused thing.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_01: You will find that trees have them and mountains have them,
1:07:18
SPEAKER_01: but they're different from what's on people.
1:07:21
SPEAKER_01: It is really not that intrusive to
1:07:25
SPEAKER_02: sit on a bench or in a cafe and look at people,
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SPEAKER_02: do it with people across the way.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_02: Because you're not going inside them, but...
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SPEAKER_02: Don't bother them with what you see.
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SPEAKER_02: Not unless they ask.
1:07:45
SPEAKER_02: They can always say, why are you staring at me?
1:07:46
SPEAKER_02: So I'm practicing learning to see auras.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_02: I hope I didn't bother you.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_02: Usually you get a, well, what color is mine?
1:07:55
SPEAKER_02: Then you get to tell them you got some nice pink in there,
1:07:59
SPEAKER_02: like almost a fuchsia on the close in levels.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_02: That's often a Bodhicitta sign.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_02: Bodhisattva sign, a sign of someone who will have ease with experiencing Bodhisattva.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, you.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was using you as an example.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_01: If you see lumps in it,
1:08:25
SPEAKER_01: check again,
1:08:26
SPEAKER_01: it might be your eyes,
1:08:27
SPEAKER_01: but if you perpetually see lumps in it,
1:08:31
SPEAKER_01: If they ask,
1:08:32
SPEAKER_01: you warn them that they should
1:08:33
SPEAKER_02: probably get checked out by a physician and tell them
1:08:37
SPEAKER_02: where the lump was.
1:08:42
SPEAKER_02: But not just in your first sight, once you're good at it.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_02: And only if they ask.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, it would be intrusive.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_02: Have you ever had a serious illness and had everybody come to you with,
1:08:58
SPEAKER_02: oh, here, take this and here, take that?
1:09:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I remember having COVID and people giving me aromatherapy and offering
1:09:06
SPEAKER_02: to stick needles in my hands.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm an acupuncturist.
1:09:11
SPEAKER_01: I know that a person of my age, you have to be very careful with hand needling.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_01: Apparently, he didn't know that.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_01: It's like, fuck, who trained you?
1:09:21
SPEAKER_02: It has to do with the skin and the sun exposure of the hands.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_02: It gets very thin and you break the blood vessels too easy.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_02: So you go for back needling instead because that usually got protected from the sun.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_01: So that's an annoying thing to do to someone if they don't ask.
1:09:43
SPEAKER_02: They gotta ask.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_03: Next question.
1:09:51
SPEAKER_03: How is this nature of mind related to the sense of center behind the eyes?
1:09:58
SPEAKER_02: The sense of center behind the eyes is an illusion caused
1:10:02
SPEAKER_02: by you not having seen your nature of mind,
1:10:06
SPEAKER_02: which is not in a specific location like that.
1:10:10
SPEAKER_02: However,
1:10:10
SPEAKER_02: because you are Western culture rated,
1:10:14
SPEAKER_02: you will believe that mind is in the brain because somebody told you so
1:10:19
SPEAKER_02: or you read it on the internet.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_02: Look, how many of you believe everything you read on the internet?
1:10:29
SPEAKER_02: How many of you believe everything you think while you're thinking it?
1:10:35
SPEAKER_02: This is a problem.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_02: I assure you,
1:10:40
SPEAKER_02: your thoughts are just as stupid as all the stuff on the internet,
1:10:44
SPEAKER_02: because all the stuff on the internet is just somebody else's thoughts.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_02: They're take on things.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_02: You read Fox News.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_02: It's one take on things.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_02: You read NPR, it's a different
1:10:58
SPEAKER_01: take on things.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_01: In both cases, they're making it up.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_01: Something may have happened,
1:11:06
SPEAKER_01: but by the time you read it on the internet,
1:11:09
SPEAKER_02: it's been through several people.
1:11:16
SPEAKER_01: The internet is just thoughts.
1:11:20
SPEAKER_01: Your thoughts are just internet.
1:11:27
SPEAKER_03: Next question.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_03: Is disconnecting the thoughts,
1:11:35
SPEAKER_03: NAM talk, the process of Tawa, the practice of Tawa, or a method to get to Tawa?
1:11:43
SPEAKER_01: It is one of the many methods to get past your obsessive compulsion
1:11:49
SPEAKER_01: with what you're thinking so that you are able to perceive Tawa,
1:11:56
SPEAKER_01: which is the first step.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_01: Perceiving Tawa is the first step.
1:12:02
SPEAKER_01: From perceiving Tawa, you have to relax
1:12:05
SPEAKER_02: into Tawa and identify with it.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_02: But you need to find it and see it first.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_02: So the perception of Tawa is your first step.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_02: Mind you, a perception is a clump of sensations, including of the Yi, thoughts and feelings.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_02: So your perception of Tao is inherently unstable and moving and jumping around.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_02: However, once you have perceived it, then you are able to do the second step.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm breaking this down.
1:12:41
SPEAKER_02: It really,
1:12:41
SPEAKER_02: not for everyone does it have to be broken down like this,
1:12:44
SPEAKER_02: but you, whoever some of you are, may find this helpful.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_01: Relax into that perception so it ceases to be a perception and becomes you.
1:13:04
SPEAKER_02: You are the awareness.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_02: Not you have awareness.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_02: You are awareness.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_02: You are the seer that looks
1:13:15
SPEAKER_01: out from behind your eyes.
1:13:18
SPEAKER_01: Transparent light, clear light is a symbol of the light by which the seer sees.
1:13:25
SPEAKER_01: That's why we use light as a symbol.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_01: Because when there's no light, the seer
1:13:29
SPEAKER_02: cannot see.
1:13:31
SPEAKER_02: The awareness cannot be aware.
1:13:36
SPEAKER_02: Rigpa, Seer.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_02: Did I answer that question?
1:13:42
SPEAKER_03: I think so.
1:13:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay, next one then.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I have it.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_02: Miranda, did you bring your keys?
1:13:57
SPEAKER_03: I did.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_02: Good.
1:14:03
SPEAKER_01: Now is as good a time to check
1:14:04
SPEAKER_03: as any.
1:14:04
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, because I need to send someone over there to get some gifts for people.
1:14:09
SPEAKER_01: Ah.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_03: Can you please explain how we experience the Dharmakaya?
1:14:21
SPEAKER_01: No.
1:14:23
SPEAKER_01: I cannot.
1:14:28
SPEAKER_01: Next question.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_01: It won't fit in words, guys.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_01: How could I possibly explain it?
1:14:36
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, you know what an experience is?
1:14:38
SPEAKER_01: It's a stack of perceptions.
1:14:45
SPEAKER_01: So what you want me to do if you want me to explain
1:14:47
SPEAKER_01: the experience is how it is linearly in time.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_01: What thoughts, feelings, and sensations are involved in being Dharmakaya?
1:15:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I can explain that.
1:15:08
SPEAKER_02: It's big.
1:15:12
SPEAKER_02: There's nothing to it.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_02: It has no thoughts,
1:15:23
SPEAKER_02: feelings,
1:15:26
SPEAKER_02: sensations,
1:15:30
SPEAKER_02: and yet it's awake and aware.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_02: It's not until you mix Dharmakaya,
1:15:35
SPEAKER_02: Sambhogakaya,
1:15:36
SPEAKER_02: Nirmanakaya that you have,
1:15:42
SPEAKER_02: you separate them, you mix them, and you have a perceiver perceiving.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_02: Dharmakaya is not perceived.
1:15:58
SPEAKER_02: So I'm at a loss on that question, give me another.
1:16:01
SPEAKER_03: Using the video game simulation analogy, are we hardware, software, or both?
1:16:09
SPEAKER_03: Would enlightenment equal the metaprogrammer level?
1:16:16
SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I don't play video games.
1:16:20
SPEAKER_01: I can't really work that analogy for you.
1:16:23
SPEAKER_01: Who plays video games?
1:16:26
SPEAKER_01: Might try Palga Rinpoche.
1:16:30
SPEAKER_02: He's young and he's real computer savvy.
1:16:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure he's played some video games.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_02: And you might try Zong Sarkensi, who's also pretty young.
1:16:42
SPEAKER_02: I have no idea if he's played some video games.
1:16:44
SPEAKER_02: A lot of the young tulkus out in India could probably answer this question for you.
1:16:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm a little old.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_02: You know, I grew up before video games.
1:16:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, we had Pac-Man.
1:16:55
SPEAKER_01: Next question.
1:17:04
SPEAKER_03: I find it hard to see myself as it.
1:17:08
SPEAKER_03: I don't want to believe it conceptually, I want to experience it.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_03: Sort of an implied how do I do that
1:17:16
SPEAKER_02: question there.
1:17:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's an easy answer.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_03: Fucking practice, dammit.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_01: That's how.
1:17:27
SPEAKER_01: There's no other trick except, look,
1:17:30
SPEAKER_01: The last thing Milarepa said to Gampopa wordlessly
1:17:35
SPEAKER_01: as Gampopa left was he turned around,
1:17:38
SPEAKER_01: he lifted up his robes, and he showed him his calloused ass.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_01: Sit.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_01: That's how.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm not getting the best questions this time.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_02: Let me open the text again.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_01: I wish I knew where the hell I got it.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_01: Okay, somebody else knows.
1:18:18
SPEAKER_01: Let me see what they actually named it online.
1:18:23
SPEAKER_01: The translator calls it awakening to reality.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_02: Self-liberation through seeing with naked awareness in English and Chinese.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_02: That might help you find it.
1:18:40
SPEAKER_02: Guru Rinpoche.
1:18:48
SPEAKER_02: Padmasambabha is the author.
1:19:13
SPEAKER_02: Let me give you a bit more here.
1:19:16
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes if we go too fast on one of these texts,
1:19:21
SPEAKER_02: everyone has a wonderful time,
1:19:22
SPEAKER_02: but nobody actually practices it in between teachings.
1:19:27
SPEAKER_02: If we go too slow, the same problem.
1:19:30
SPEAKER_02: So I try to get the speed right so that people have a nice bite to take home
1:19:35
SPEAKER_02: and chew,
1:19:36
SPEAKER_02: but not so much that they can't possibly swallow that and have to spit some
1:19:40
SPEAKER_02: of it out.
1:19:43
SPEAKER_01: When you are introduced in this way through this exceedingly powerful method
1:19:49
SPEAKER_01: for entering into the practice,
1:19:52
SPEAKER_01: you discover directly that your own immediate self-awareness is just this
1:19:59
SPEAKER_01: and nothing else.
1:20:01
SPEAKER_01: Look, look at the looker.
1:20:12
SPEAKER_01: See?
1:20:15
SPEAKER_01: You always were this.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_01: You're not making it.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_01: Now, just do that a lot.
1:20:22
SPEAKER_01: That's all.
1:20:25
SPEAKER_01: Don't think about doing it a lot.
1:20:29
SPEAKER_02: Actually sit your butt down and let go.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_02: You know how many times I've sat my butt down and thought about letting go?
1:20:38
SPEAKER_02: And then had a fantasy or planned what I was going to cook for supper?
1:20:44
SPEAKER_01: You actually have to do it, even if only for 10 seconds.
1:20:50
SPEAKER_01: It counts.
1:20:53
SPEAKER_02: Before you plan supper.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_01: It has an inherent self-clarity, which is entirely unmade up.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_01: How can you speak then of not understanding the nature of mind or of understanding
1:21:23
SPEAKER_01: the nature of mind?
1:21:26
SPEAKER_01: Intrinsic isness as it is,
1:21:32
SPEAKER_01: not made,
1:21:37
SPEAKER_01: not created, not acquired.
1:21:41
SPEAKER_01: The completely natural state when you stop doing other things
1:21:51
SPEAKER_01: This is who you always were, who you always will be.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_01: All your entertainments involving hope and fear are simply a distraction from this.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_01: All the things you want are the treasures in your
1:22:18
SPEAKER_02: video games.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_02: All the things you fear are the monsters.
1:22:23
SPEAKER_02: I can take it that far from watching Nyando play them.
1:22:33
SPEAKER_01: These are what keep you busy and distracted and on the console instead of folding the laundry.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_01: And there is a fear underneath the distraction.
1:22:54
SPEAKER_01: What would happen if I really let go?
1:23:03
SPEAKER_01: We have a Ruchen for that.
1:23:07
SPEAKER_02: Speech Ruchen.
1:23:09
SPEAKER_02: Speech Ruchen.
1:23:11
SPEAKER_01: Best done in purpose, in person.
1:23:16
SPEAKER_01: And you can't do it indoors.
1:23:19
SPEAKER_02: So if you guys want it around here in Louisiana, we got to go out somewhere for four days.
1:23:26
SPEAKER_01: Fishing camp or something.
1:23:27
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:23:28
SPEAKER_01: Find something.
1:23:30
SPEAKER_01: It needs to have good long view.
1:23:34
SPEAKER_01: So not like deep in the swamp,
1:23:38
SPEAKER_02: but like maybe by a lake or something.
1:23:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_02: Mountains are good, but there aren't any around here.
1:23:56
SPEAKER_01: Part of it is the fear for many of us.
1:23:59
SPEAKER_02: Part of it is habitual, obsessive, compulsive focusing on our entertainments.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_02: And our thoughts are our entertainment, as are our feelings.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_02: Isn't being in love fun for the
1:24:16
SPEAKER_01: first few weeks?
1:24:19
SPEAKER_02: First few weeks.
1:24:23
SPEAKER_01: Isn't being happy fun?
1:24:25
SPEAKER_02: Or excited?
1:24:30
SPEAKER_02: Isn't being stoned fun?
1:24:33
SPEAKER_02: Or drunk?
1:24:35
SPEAKER_01: Or even just a little bit tipsy?
1:24:38
SPEAKER_01: Chocolate's fun.
1:24:41
SPEAKER_01: These are all the entertainments that you focus your attention on instead of just leaving it be.
1:24:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm not telling you using the Hinayana path of giving up your entertainments.
1:24:55
SPEAKER_02: That's not in this text.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_02: That's in some other texts,
1:24:59
SPEAKER_02: and we'll talk about that if we do one of those texts, but that's not here.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_01: There are other ways.
1:25:07
SPEAKER_01: If you want to know how many rays, read Buddha's Lions.
1:25:12
SPEAKER_02: Cheaper.
1:25:14
SPEAKER_01: Or what's the other one, Neander?
1:25:16
SPEAKER_03: Masters of Enchantment.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_01: Masters of Enchantment, more expensive with
1:25:20
SPEAKER_02: prettier drawings.
1:25:22
SPEAKER_02: More of a coffee table one.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_02: It will show you just how many ways there are to become free of your obsessions.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_02: It's the story of 84 of the Mahasiddhas of India.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_02: And the teachings, each one of them received, which was different.
1:25:52
SPEAKER_02: And how they performed those teachings within the circumstances of the integrity of
1:25:58
SPEAKER_02: the dream they were living.
1:26:01
SPEAKER_02: So it's really cool that way.
1:26:03
SPEAKER_02: Housewives and gamblers and hunters and every which everything.
1:26:12
SPEAKER_01: Yes?
1:26:12
I find that I get obsessed about learning about all those different paths.
1:26:20
SPEAKER_01: That's a stage.
1:26:23
SPEAKER_01: It's called Sutrayana, where one is into learning all the different paths.
1:26:31
SPEAKER_01: Learn how to paddle a canoe, right, before you go on an expedition.
1:26:35
SPEAKER_01: You do a lot of practicing.
1:26:36
SPEAKER_01: You try different canoes.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you like the wooden ones or the hollowed out ones?
1:26:43
SPEAKER_01: Would you prefer to have a kayak?
1:26:47
SPEAKER_01: So you try kayaks, you try canoes, you learn different paddle strokes.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_01: You check out all the different canoes around.
1:26:54
SPEAKER_01: You want like an inflatable or does the wind blow it sideways
1:26:57
SPEAKER_01: in certain circumstances too easily?
1:27:00
SPEAKER_01: And you'd like a hard keel.
1:27:05
SPEAKER_01: Then you pick one to go on your expedition through the bayous.
1:27:14
SPEAKER_01: So you're at the point of checking out all the canoes and the kayaks.
1:27:22
SPEAKER_01: Eventually you'll decide which one for you is the most comfortable one to paddle
1:27:29
SPEAKER_01: and you'll climb in and go on your expedition.
1:27:34
SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
1:27:38
SPEAKER_01: That's not a bad time.
1:27:40
SPEAKER_01: You're quite young compared to me.
1:27:49
SPEAKER_01: And I explored many paths and I will still occasionally wander off and check out a path.
1:27:54
SPEAKER_02: You might have something useful to somebody in it.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm quite satisfied with mine, but
1:28:02
SPEAKER_01: I know that it won't fit everybody.
1:28:06
SPEAKER_01: So I'll go check out something else if I come upon it.
1:28:11
SPEAKER_01: Or if I have the opportunity.
1:28:15
SPEAKER_02: Enjoy that period.
1:28:17
SPEAKER_02: But at some point, pick your damn kayak or canoe
1:28:24
SPEAKER_01: that you feel comfortable paddling.
1:28:29
SPEAKER_01: Because you can't cross the bio
1:28:30
SPEAKER_02: in two of them at once.
1:28:32
SPEAKER_02: You'll just get wet.
1:28:34
SPEAKER_02: And there's crocs in that there water.
1:28:42
SPEAKER_01: Once you've decided to pursue a path, find someone who can teach you that path effectively.
1:28:53
SPEAKER_01: Don't try it from books.
1:28:57
SPEAKER_01: It's not all in the book.
1:28:59
SPEAKER_01: You need to have had the oral teaching.
1:29:02
SPEAKER_01: The books are like crib notes.
1:29:05
SPEAKER_01: The difference between classics illustrated the comic book that you're using
1:29:09
SPEAKER_01: to do your book report on the book and actually reading the language of the book.
1:29:18
SPEAKER_01: Big difference.
1:29:22
SPEAKER_01: So go find a teacher.
1:29:25
SPEAKER_01: If you want to know how to find a teacher, there are three things you need to do.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_01: You need to facilitate others coming together with their teachers,
1:29:38
SPEAKER_01: with your body, speech, and mind.
1:29:44
SPEAKER_02: So give people rides to the church, the gompa, the synagogue, the mitot.
1:29:53
SPEAKER_02: That way you're creating the cause
1:29:57
SPEAKER_01: to find your teacher.
1:29:59
SPEAKER_01: With your speech, say a mantra that means teacher, such as the Guru Rinpoche mantra.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_01: It may lead you to a teacher in a completely different line.
1:30:12
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter.
1:30:14
SPEAKER_02: Or a Jesus mantra, if there is such a thing.
1:30:18
SPEAKER_02: It's probably something.
1:30:21
SPEAKER_02: If that's the line.
1:30:22
SPEAKER_02: But one that symbolizes the teacher.
1:30:27
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if there's a Mohammed...
1:30:30
SPEAKER_02: Mantra, but there might be.
1:30:33
SPEAKER_01: Not one that symbolizes the Godhead, one that symbolizes teacherness.
1:30:38
SPEAKER_01: And with your mind, start wishing that everybody finds the teacher.
1:30:42
SPEAKER_01: If you do these three things, then you'll find yours.
1:30:47
SPEAKER_01: Karmic.
1:30:48
SPEAKER_01: And the more effort you put into this, the more
1:30:52
SPEAKER_02: effective your finding will be.
1:30:56
SPEAKER_02: This I know from personal experience.
1:31:09
SPEAKER_01: When you are meditating without finding anything there to meditate upon,
1:31:16
SPEAKER_02: how can you say that your meditation is not working?
1:31:21
SPEAKER_02: No, we're going to do this chapter next time.
1:31:23
SPEAKER_02: It's too deep.
1:31:24
SPEAKER_02: That's too many bites.
1:31:25
SPEAKER_02: You won't swallow it all.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_01: Have you all at least glimpsed what we're pointing at here?
1:31:33
SPEAKER_01: It's up to you.
1:31:36
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes just sit there Without entertaining yourself.
1:31:42
SPEAKER_02: You can do it in the pub.
1:31:45
SPEAKER_02: You can do it on the bus if the bus ever comes.
1:31:52
SPEAKER_02: You can do it, don't do it while driving.
1:31:56
SPEAKER_02: Won't work.
1:31:57
SPEAKER_02: You'll get something.
1:31:59
SPEAKER_02: But you can do it while sitting on your porch,
1:32:04
SPEAKER_01: at your table, in a cafe.
1:32:06
SPEAKER_01: You can do it at any time, anywhere.
1:32:10
SPEAKER_01: There's no doing to it.
1:32:11
SPEAKER_01: You actually simply stop doing.
1:32:18
SPEAKER_01: Like that.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_01: And you don't even have to do it, stop doing
1:32:23
SPEAKER_02: for longer than that at a time.
1:32:26
SPEAKER_02: Just often.
1:32:31
SPEAKER_01: Any further questions on technique?
1:32:35
SPEAKER_01: Yes, there was one.
1:32:36
SPEAKER_01: I got one here, so give him Oh, yes.
1:32:44
SPEAKER_03: My question has to do with the inner yogas and the way in which Maha Yoga,
1:32:49
SPEAKER_03: Anu Yoga will culminate in Ati Yoga.
1:32:56
SPEAKER_01: So basically, Maha Yoga and Anu Yoga involve sadhanas.
1:33:04
SPEAKER_01: All the sadhanas end in Ati Yoga.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_01: Whether you...
1:33:09
SPEAKER_01: Go that far or not.
1:33:11
SPEAKER_01: Some people at the dissolution,
1:33:13
SPEAKER_01: at the end of a sadhana, just get up,
1:33:17
SPEAKER_02: dedicate the merits and go.
1:33:20
SPEAKER_02: Everything goes into,
1:33:22
SPEAKER_02: everything absorbs into the,
1:33:24
SPEAKER_02: you are the archetype,
1:33:25
SPEAKER_02: everything absorbs into you,
1:33:27
SPEAKER_02: you are the archetype,
1:33:28
SPEAKER_02: the archetype absorbs into the heart mantra stuff,
1:33:32
SPEAKER_02: then into the seed syllable in the middle and the seed syllable absorbs
1:33:36
SPEAKER_02: into yourself.
1:33:43
SPEAKER_02: You're supposed to just sit there.
1:33:48
SPEAKER_02: However, most people don't.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_02: They just dedicate the merits and get up and go because they think they did their thing.
1:33:56
SPEAKER_02: Eventually,
1:33:57
SPEAKER_02: it is hoped that from repeating this again and again,
1:34:00
SPEAKER_02: you will finally begin to notice the end of it and just sit there.
1:34:11
SPEAKER_02: And there's your Atta Yoga.
1:34:32
SPEAKER_03: One more moment while I find this.
1:34:34
SPEAKER_03: Ah, yes.
1:34:35
SPEAKER_03: When we sit and let go, how far to relax?
1:34:40
SPEAKER_03: All the way.
1:34:42
SPEAKER_03: So if a trance state arises, is that okay or is that too far?
1:34:51
SPEAKER_02: Whatever arises will arise.
1:34:54
SPEAKER_02: It's an entertainment.
1:34:55
SPEAKER_02: Trance state is not far enough.
1:34:59
SPEAKER_02: Now you're doing a trance state.
1:35:02
SPEAKER_02: Trance states are trained to different purposes,
1:35:04
SPEAKER_02: to channel things, for shamanistic works, for memorization.
1:35:12
SPEAKER_01: They're not fully relaxed.
1:35:13
SPEAKER_02: They're on the way to relaxation.
1:35:16
SPEAKER_02: You have to relax past the trance state.
1:35:23
SPEAKER_02: If you've been trained for shamanistic purposes to a trance state, you're gonna have to, hmm.
1:35:35
SPEAKER_01: How would you do that?
1:35:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay, shamanistic trances
1:35:40
SPEAKER_02: are somewhat creative.
1:35:42
SPEAKER_02: They still have a focus, but it's more of a dreamtime focus.
1:35:48
SPEAKER_02: But you're still trained to a certain subtle focus within the trance state
1:35:54
SPEAKER_02: that you relax into because it's more relaxed than day-to-day focus.
1:36:00
SPEAKER_02: So when you go into a shamanistic trance, yeah, I got trained in that at one point.
1:36:05
SPEAKER_02: It's very interesting.
1:36:08
SPEAKER_01: You still focus in the dream time, so you're not awake or asleep.
1:36:17
SPEAKER_01: At this point,
1:36:25
SPEAKER_02: you're trained to stop and do the work.
1:36:29
SPEAKER_02: And there's ways of carrying the work with you so it's not forgotten
1:36:33
SPEAKER_02: for whatever you went in there to do.
1:36:38
SPEAKER_01: That's not all the way relaxed.
1:36:42
SPEAKER_02: That's a stopping place on the way to relaxation.
1:36:45
SPEAKER_01: Go further.
1:36:46
SPEAKER_01: This is why also you sit properly when you do it.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_01: Because if you don't sit properly, you can fucking fall over.
1:36:54
SPEAKER_01: Proper sit is balanced.
1:36:57
SPEAKER_01: You can actually
1:36:57
SPEAKER_02: sleep in it.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_02: In fact, we do it.
1:37:01
SPEAKER_02: In my cave, not now, but in the old days, I only had a gum tree.
1:37:06
SPEAKER_02: I had no bed.
1:37:08
SPEAKER_02: Now I have a bed.
1:37:09
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'll let guests sleep in it and I'll stay in the gum tree,
1:37:13
SPEAKER_01: but my knees aren't what they once were.
1:37:18
SPEAKER_01: Does that answer the question?
1:37:20
SPEAKER_01: I think.
1:37:22
SPEAKER_02: Go past the trance.
1:37:30
SPEAKER_01: I think we are fairly on for complete.
1:37:36
SPEAKER_01: You guys think so?
1:37:38
SPEAKER_01: You got a bite to chew?
1:37:41
SPEAKER_01: You know how to
1:37:41
SPEAKER_02: chew it?
1:37:45
SPEAKER_02: Try not to add pepper, or hot sauce, just to make it more interesting.
1:37:54
SPEAKER_02: Nge-wa-di,
1:37:59
SPEAKER_00: nyor-du-da,
1:38:03
SPEAKER_00: che-che,
1:38:07
SPEAKER_00: Sa-la-go-pa-sho.
1:38:15
SPEAKER_01: Nyanndo, give me your keys.
1:38:17
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_03: And can we mention the translators?
1:38:20
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
1:38:20
SPEAKER_03: We had a lot of them today.
1:38:22
SPEAKER_01: What languages did we have today?
1:38:25
SPEAKER_03: Let's see.
1:38:27
SPEAKER_03: French, Russian, Hebrew, Georgian, I think Spanish.
1:38:32
SPEAKER_03: Remember where I took this from?
1:38:36
SPEAKER_03: So I think underneath is a basket with many blue bracelets.
1:38:40
SPEAKER_03: Russian in Spanish.
1:38:42
SPEAKER_03: So at least six languages there.
1:38:44
SPEAKER_01: Wow, okay.
1:38:45
SPEAKER_01: Remember how I said it was important,
1:38:47
SPEAKER_01: at least to me, to have this variety of people, this diversity, inclusiveness?
1:38:58
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
1:38:59
SPEAKER_01: That everybody's crapping on these days, diversity, equity, inclusivity.
1:39:07
SPEAKER_01: What the hell is wrong with diversity, equity, and inclusivity?
1:39:10
SPEAKER_01: It's a wonderful thing.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh, and Turkish today.
1:39:15
SPEAKER_01: Oh, we had Turkish today.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
1:39:18
SPEAKER_01: So look, y'all, if you've been listening to me in a language other than English,
1:39:26
SPEAKER_01: Please make an offering to your translator.
1:39:31
SPEAKER_01: And if you've been listening to me in English,
1:39:38
SPEAKER_01: go pick one of the translators and make an offering.
1:39:45
SPEAKER_01: I really want to keep the translators and it makes me happy to see many of them.
1:39:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay?
1:39:54
SPEAKER_01: Yes, you can make You can give me a gift if you want,
1:39:57
SPEAKER_01: but it's gonna make me really happy if you support the translators.
1:40:03
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_01: If anyone also wishes to become the benefactor to one of the yogis up in the caves,
1:40:13
SPEAKER_01: send me an email to that purpose and I'll pass you on to the people who helped me
1:40:19
SPEAKER_01: with that.
1:40:21
SPEAKER_01: So thank you all for coming.
1:40:23
SPEAKER_01: What is our next public?
1:40:26
SPEAKER_01: Let me look.
1:40:30
SPEAKER_01: Working with Emotions.
1:40:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:40:32
SPEAKER_01: That's when we have to be in it.
1:40:35
SPEAKER_01: Unless you're here, you can just wander into the GOMPA from here, here in New Orleans.
1:40:42
SPEAKER_01: And that's fine.
1:40:43
SPEAKER_01: But online, we have a limit of about 50.
1:40:47
SPEAKER_01: So you have to sign up for the online.
1:40:50
SPEAKER_01: For those of you who come here for that, There's some criteria.
1:40:57
SPEAKER_01: You have to at least be able to see
1:41:05
SPEAKER_02: the emptiness of your thoughts when you want to,
1:41:08
SPEAKER_02: when you remember to and try to.
1:41:11
SPEAKER_02: If you can't do that, you won't be able to do the method.
1:41:16
SPEAKER_01: So you have to at least be able
1:41:23
SPEAKER_01: To look past your thoughts and stop putting the talk in between them that hooks them together.
1:41:37
SPEAKER_01: And relax there for a bit.
1:41:39
SPEAKER_02: If you can't do that, you're not going to succeed at this.
1:41:45
SPEAKER_02: The other thing I highly recommend is having practiced the Chen Raising Sadhana.
1:41:51
SPEAKER_02: It will help you
1:41:56
SPEAKER_02: In case you discover a trauma that you've been hiding from.
1:42:02
SPEAKER_02: It's been known to happen.
1:42:04
SPEAKER_02: And it'll give you a safe place to deal with that.
1:42:07
SPEAKER_02: So those are pretty much, if you guys want to come here, yeah, come on.
1:42:11
SPEAKER_02: If you have these two criterias,
1:42:13
SPEAKER_02: if you don't come to something else, there'll be something after that.
1:42:18
SPEAKER_02: Because this, you just, you won't be able to do it.
1:42:23
SPEAKER_02: You see, the first step is to strip your emotion naked of the story that supports it.
1:42:31
SPEAKER_02: And the way that is done is by looking directly through it,
1:42:36
SPEAKER_02: through the story and letting the talks, the little togethers disappear.
1:42:48
SPEAKER_02: And then you get a naked emotion But I'll talk more about that in the retreat.
1:42:53
SPEAKER_02: You gotta have a naked emotion to work with it.
1:42:56
SPEAKER_02: So if you can't strip an emotion naked by seeing through the story,
1:43:03
SPEAKER_02: work on that first before you come to this retreat.
1:43:06
SPEAKER_01: So within that criteria, you're all invited.
1:43:10
SPEAKER_01: And I have some gifts that go with this class.
1:43:18
SPEAKER_01: It's a reminder.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_01: Relax, let go of all your entertainments for a moment.
1:43:29
SPEAKER_01: And don't poke at it, leave it be.
1:43:32
SPEAKER_01: Don't poke at your mind.
1:43:35
SPEAKER_01: Don't poke at anything.
1:43:37
SPEAKER_01: Relax, let go, leave be.
1:43:40
SPEAKER_01: Until the next one of these that we do
1:43:47
SPEAKER_02: here, until next month.
1:43:51
SPEAKER_02: Let this remind you to practice.
1:43:54
SPEAKER_02: When you come up, I give it to you.
1:43:56
SPEAKER_02: Well, don't just sit there and stare at me, and we're done online.
1:43:59
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so we are complete now.
1:44:03
SPEAKER_03: Oh, thank you, baby.