Latest / Go Un-Pro / Sunday Science by Go_UnPro Episode 1: 2025_11_02
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- 0:00Welcome to Sunday Science,
- 0:01where we dive into a few recent scientific articles and their
- 0:05translation into our modern lives.
- 0:07Here is your host,
- 0:08Brent W.
- 0:09Lartz,
- 0:09MD.
- 0:11All right!
- 0:12Today we are having our first episode of Sunday Science from Go On Pro.
- 0:17This is dated November 2nd,
- 0:192025.
- 0:21We're going to discuss how your diet,
- 0:23your microbiome,
- 0:24and genetics can cause colon cancer in young people.
- 0:27Not only that,
- 0:28but it could have been your diet and your microbiome in childhood
- 0:31that could have started all the whole process here.
- 0:35Colon cancer causes approximately 1.
- 0:379 million cases per year and 900,
- 0:41000 deaths.
- 0:42It is the second leading cause of cancer deaths.
- 0:45globally while being the fourth most common diagnosed cancer.
- 0:48What does that mean?
- 0:49If it's the second leading cause of cancer deaths but the fourth most
- 0:53common diagnosed cancer,
- 0:54it means it could be somewhat more deadly than a couple of other types of cancer.
- 0:59In the U.
- 1:00S.,
- 1:01154,
- 1:02000 new cases occurred in 2023,
- 1:05and the incidence is declining,
- 1:08and there are 52,
- 1:09900 deaths in the year 2023.
- 1:14Deaths also declining,
- 1:16likely related to increased screening and increased lifestyles better lifestyles.
- 1:23Five-year survival of localized colon cancer is 91 and for all stages,
- 1:30it is 65%.
- 1:34Factors including a sedentary lifestyle,
- 1:37diet high in processed.
- 1:38foods and red meat,
- 1:40smoking,
- 1:41lack of exercise,
- 1:42ethanol,
- 1:44genetics,
- 1:45inflammatory bowel disease,
- 1:47and certainly the outcomes of these cancers are associated with access to care.
- 1:56Early colon cancer statistics: the incidence is rising in those under age 50,
- 2:04and 55 years of 10% of colon cancer is in patients who are under age 50,
- 2:13rising approximately 2% per year,
- 2:15and that's a 51% increase since 1994.
- 2:20Approximately 7,
- 2:21000 to now more than 15,
- 2:24000 cases per year in those under age 50.
- 2:28Potentially another statistic that is bantered about is 20% of those
- 2:34under age 55; colon cancer is rising as well.
- 2:41It used to be that this was only seen in young persons.
- 2:45If they had a genetic familial basis for colon cancer,
- 2:51these are persons with a couple of different genetic illnesses,
- 2:54one called familial adenomatous polyposis.
- 2:59That syndrome is autosomal dominant in about 50% of the cases,
- 3:06and most of the rest are new mutations that we can now determine.
- 3:12These persons have colons that are filled with polyps,
- 3:18and hence,
- 3:19if you have a colon filled with polyps by the time you're age 30 or 40,
- 3:23all the more likelihood you're going to get colon cancer; and hence,
- 3:28some of these persons have their colons taken out prophylactically
- 3:34prevent colon cancer.
- 3:35However,
- 3:36now most of these,
- 3:40or at least some of these.
- 3:41cases of early colon cancer are potentially linked to the microbiome.
- 3:48Early colon cancer is now the deadliest cancer in young men,
- 3:53and it is the second most deadly cancer in young women.
- 3:57Often,
- 3:58this is related to a delay in diagnosis because,
- 4:01at age 40,
- 4:04before we were less likely to have a uh tests to diagnose and/ or
- 4:16screen for these illnesses,
- 4:18because it was very uncommon.
- 4:20But given the increased prevalence and insulin incidence of these diseases,
- 4:31we are now seeing the screening ages dropping uh,
- 4:35to what they used to be.
- 4:37Um,
- 4:3854% of patients with early cancer were misdiagnosed as hemorrhoids,
- 4:46uh,
- 4:46irritable bowel syndrome,
- 4:47et cetera.
- 4:4936 saw three or more doctors before their diagnosis,
- 4:53and the symptoms of which change in bowel habits,
- 4:58bleeding,
- 4:58abdominal pain.
- 5:00Um,
- 5:00now we have screened and a recommendation to screen at age 45 or
- 5:08sooner if you have risk factors.
- 5:11Um,
- 5:11there are genetic and environmental causes.
- 5:15The type and the pattern and the location of the mutations causing
- 5:18these colon cancers depend on the chemical and potentially tobacco
- 5:23and other carcinogens have a certain pattern of mutations that are
- 5:28associated with them.
- 5:28And these are being discovered and have been discovered for many years,
- 5:33but now we're finding a particular type of mutation.
- 5:38Um,
- 5:39that is associated with your bacteria in your intestine.
- 5:45Let's talk a little bit about the mutations in colon cancer.
- 5:49The first we're going to talk about is adenomatous polyposis coli
- 5:55tumor suppressive gene.
- 5:57When you get a mutation in this gene,
- 6:01you will acquire a benign adenoma.
- 6:07This mutation in this gene is present present in over 80% of colorectal cancer.
- 6:15Its function is to maintain homeostasis of the gut epithelium.
- 6:20So you can see why this particular mutation would potentially cause
- 6:26inflammation and then cause polyps and then cause an adenoma.
- 6:32Epidermal growth factor receptor mutations then potentially.
- 6:36can add on to that mutation for colorectal cancer progression.
- 6:42And then subsequent mutations,
- 6:44there are multiple ones: KRAS,
- 6:46PTEN,
- 6:47and TP53 are a few of the other mutations.
- 6:53Screening for colon cancer,
- 6:54the gold standard is colonoscopy,
- 6:56but there are also a couple of other tests.
- 6:59You've all heard of these tests that are,
- 7:03um,
- 7:04found on commercials during multiple different,
- 7:08uh,
- 7:11broadcasts on,
- 7:12uh,
- 7:12cable TV.
- 7:13Uh,
- 7:14or there's also a blood DNA test.
- 7:16The difference is the colonoscopy is the gold standard,
- 7:19and this is the only way that you can remove some of these,
- 7:23uh,
- 7:24pre-cancerous polyps before they develop cancer.
- 7:28Uh,
- 7:28the stool for DNA tests are good.
- 7:31tests at screening for precancerous but they do miss some of these.
- 7:37And they're also their specificity is not,
- 7:42you could have false positives.
- 7:45Um now there is a microbiome length.
- 7:49And here's where we're going to talk about this.
- 7:51There is,
- 7:52uh,
- 7:52there are colibactin-producing E.
- 7:56coli that are not the same strains that cause diarrhea.
- 7:59And you think about your hamburger or other types of food based caused by E.
- 8:06coli.
- 8:07These are different strains.
- 8:09Colibactin is a DNA mutagen and it is causes certain mutation patterns.
- 8:16And those mutation patterns can be detected in colon cancer.
- 8:20And hence we're going to be talking about that later,
- 8:22uh,
- 8:24in Some of these new articles we're going to be talking about three new articles,
- 8:27um,
- 8:28that are related to this.
- 8:30It is possibly related to exposure as a child because it takes a
- 8:35long time for these mutations to build up and also for them to now
- 8:39then acquire other mutations,
- 8:41um,
- 8:43requiring,
- 8:45uh,
- 8:45that are required to develop colorectal cancer.
- 8:48Up to 68% of colorectal colonized colorectal cancers are colonized with PKS E.
- 8:58coli.
- 8:59This is the colibactin-producing E.
- 9:01coli,
- 9:02also called PKS-positive E.
- 9:05coli.
- 9:06All right,
- 9:06we're going to be talking about first,
- 9:08um,
- 9:09an article in the Lancet Microbiome which was published in April of 2025.
- 9:16This,
- 9:17um,
- 9:20article had examined the genomes of 981 bowel cancer patients,
- 9:31their cancer cells in 11 countries.
- 9:35Under 40 cancer diagnosis,
- 9:40if you were diagnosed at age 40 or less,
- 9:43you were 3.
- 9:443 times more likely have colobactin mutations.
- 9:50If you were greater than 70 and you had colon cancer,
- 9:55it is more prevalent,
- 9:57this colobactin mutations countries that had higher rates of early onset cancer.
- 10:08These polyketide synthase positive E.
- 10:12coli strains produced E.
- 10:16coli,
- 10:16produced colobactin and hence then developed the colon cancer potentially.
- 10:25Another article from Nature Microbiology from 2025 studied dietary
- 10:31fiber and its inhibition of colobactin.
- 10:36They studied mice with three different types of either a low carb,
- 10:42low fiber diet,
- 10:43high fat,
- 10:44high sugar diet,
- 10:45or normal chow.
- 10:48The PKS positive bacteria induced senescence associated secretory phenotype,
- 10:54which further potentiated by inflammatory triggers,
- 10:57and mismatch repair deficient modelwas associated with increases in
- 11:10those PKS positive bacteria.
- 11:12The low carb,
- 11:13low fiber diet was associated with a higher amount of PKS positive bacteria.
- 11:18The high fat,
- 11:19high sugar diet and the normal chow were associated with low amount
- 11:29of PKS positive bacteria comparatively.
- 11:33One issue here is,
- 11:35what if you had a low carb,
- 11:37high fiber diet instead?
- 11:39of a high-fat,
- 11:40high-sugar diet or some other types of diets.
- 11:44Certainly,
- 11:44there are more than one type of different diet that you could study in this situation.
- 11:53Frontiers in Microbiology article from 2025 also showed that inulin,
- 12:02which potentially we think of inulin as being a good thing in our
- 12:08diet because it is a fiber that decreases inflammation in most patients.
- 12:15However,
- 12:16this article investigated inulin,
- 12:20um,
- 12:21because it was found potentially to be protective,
- 12:24but it also has tumor-promoting effects.
- 12:29This article showed that there was a if you had a combination of
- 12:33pks-positive bacteria instilled into these mice that were prone.
- 12:43to develop cancer.
- 12:44They were APC mutated mice.
- 12:48Then they were treated with DSS to stimulate tumors.
- 12:52If those pks positive mice were also then given inulin,
- 12:57then it promoted tumors in those mice.
- 13:01If a strain of E.
- 13:02coli deficient in colibactin,
- 13:04same pks positive mice,
- 13:06but they did not produce colibactin.
- 13:09If that was introduced,
- 13:11instead of the tumors were found.
- 13:20If you gave a paraprobiotic,
- 13:24which was pasteurized E.
- 13:26coli,
- 13:26same strain defect,
- 13:29actually a Nissl strain,
- 13:31which was a pasteurized paraprobiotic that also inhibited the tumor agenesis.
- 13:39Very confounding results here,
- 13:41suggesting that it's not just the pks positive but potentially.
- 13:45Maybe the um competition in the intestines of these mice with either other strains of E.
- 13:57coli or a paraprobiotic that has good factors produced by certain
- 14:07probiotic strains that was tumor-protective.
- 14:13Other colon cancer issues,
- 14:16you certainly need a driver mutation.
- 14:19And so that driver mutation may be these colibactin-induced
- 14:25mutations that were induced as a child.
- 14:28And then you need pro-cancer passenger pro-progression bacteria.
- 14:33So there are certain bacteria that induce the either directly
- 14:39producing compounds that cause DNA damage or inflammation that causes that damage.
- 14:47And then,
- 14:48once there is a mutation causing a tumor.
- 14:53Now you might need passenger progression bacteria.
- 14:58And this is another theory that your microbiome is important.
- 15:06Fecal transplants from colon cancer mice can transfer the disease to germ-free mice.
- 15:14This was discovered in 2013,
- 15:16quite a while ago,
- 15:18suggesting that there is something about the something in the feces in general,
- 15:25the bacteria that then produce back colon cancer in these mice.
- 15:32Then there is also evidence that microbial dysbiosis can affect some
- 15:38tumorigenesis as well.
- 15:39There are short-chain fatty acids that bacteria produce that could stimulate polyps.
- 15:46And then there is in persons such as those with Lynch.
- 15:52Syndrome,
- 15:53which is a syndrome that is prone to develop colon cancer.
- 16:00The microbes,
- 16:02if they are present in those patients,
- 16:04can produce 8-oxoguanine.
- 16:07Those 8-oxoguanine lesions produce a mismatch repair system dysfunction and,
- 16:15hence,
- 16:16your production of colon cancer in those patients.
- 16:20And,
- 16:21as we talked about,
- 16:22dysbiosis causes inflammation,
- 16:24and that can lead to colorectal cancer.
- 16:27And what do we all need to do about this?
- 16:30And this is certainly not that controversial because transformation
- 16:38requires acquisition of mutations.
- 16:41Those mutations are in suppressors and oncogenes,
- 16:45and it begins in the intestinal stem cells and can develop.
- 16:49over the course of your life.
- 16:51Studies have shown that high-fiber diets low in processed foods and low in red meats,
- 16:58and exercise,
- 17:00and maintaining a healthy weight is protective from developing colon cancer.
- 17:09Carcinogenic microbes colonizing a large portion of humans can
- 17:15potentially alter their host genetics but also contribute to the
- 17:24carcinogenesis in a host that already is predisposed by their
- 17:28genetics or their dietary composition or inflammatory dysregulation.
- 17:36Now we have to think about what about as parents?
- 17:40Do we really need to think about our children if we are feeding them
- 17:46now processed foods and red meats?
- 17:50is this the reason why we're now seeing the rapid increase in
- 17:56younger patients developing colon cancer?
- 17:59Because think about it: from around the year of 2015,
- 18:05when we first started to see this increase,
- 18:10what is important about that date?
- 18:14What is approximately 40 years before that date?
- 18:1840 years before 2015 is 1975.
- 18:231975 is when we started really ramping up the processed foods,
- 18:29the increased sugars in our diet,
- 18:34high fructose corn syrups,
- 18:38and multiple of other different dietary changes from the from the
- 18:46revolution of processed foods that occurred in this country in 1975.
- 18:51Now go to 1985 and the different changes we had.
- 18:54then That is approximately 40 years ago.
- 18:57Now what's it going to be like when we get to be 40 years from now
- 19:04and 40 years from maybe 10 years ago?
- 19:08Certainly,
- 19:08over the last 10 years we have had an improvement in recognition
- 19:14that high fiber diets are important,
- 19:17and the prevalence of persons who are eating more vegan food,
- 19:23more whole food diets is increasing slowly.
- 19:26But what's going to happen 40 years from now?
- 19:30Is that percent of individuals with colon cancer,
- 19:37is it going to be even higher than now?
- 19:40Is it going to be instead of an incidence of of 10 of colon cancers,
- 19:53is it going to be 50 of colon cancer?
- 19:55We're going to have a wave in 10,
- 19:5820 years where Instead of having 15,
- 20:07000 cases per year,
- 20:09are we going to have 50,
- 20:11000,
- 20:11or are we going to be having 100,
- 20:13000 cases per year and many more deaths until we start screening at age 40 or 35?
- 20:21Maybe even to take care of these polyps that were induced by the
- 20:26colibactin-producing E.
- 20:30coli.
- 20:33So something to think about,
- 20:35and that microbiome link,
- 20:37and what to do about our microbiome: probiotics,
- 20:43fiber,
- 20:44natural foods,
- 20:45whole foods,
- 20:46mostly plant-based diets.
- 20:48Going to be more and more studies that are going to elucidate the
- 20:54effects of these improved dietary changes to see if they make an
- 21:01impact on these colon cancer incidences.
- 21:08Or here's a question: Is it going to take many more years after that
- 21:16to discover that we need to have these whole food diets in the years
- 21:22from age zero and maybe in utero to from age zero to 10 years of age
- 21:2820 years of age when we're not thinking about our diet when we're
- 21:33feeding our kids a lot of red meat and a lot of proteins because we
- 21:37need to induce their growth.
- 21:40We think they want to be weightlifters,
- 21:43football players,
- 21:43baseball players.
- 21:44So we pile on and take them out for steak and take them out for low
- 21:50fiber diet restaurants and fast foods and all of that.
- 21:56Is it going to really take until we realize that it's our children
- 22:00that we need to protect and not at age 40 and age 50 like myself
- 22:08when I'm starting to have a better diet now because I am learning about these things.
- 22:14Is it going to take until then before we figure out that it is our
- 22:21children that we need to be really impacting in the future?
- 22:28Thank you very much for this.
- 22:32I will include the references.
- 22:33There are approximately five different references here that I'll
- 22:39include in the show notes for this.
- 22:43Certainly,
- 22:44Alberto Martin is one of the important authors of these articles,
- 22:53but there are multiple other people,
- 22:57including Dr.
- 23:00Santos and others who are involved in this.
- 23:05There is an organization in the UK and worldwide that is looking
- 23:16into these different factors as well.
- 23:25And I'll include that in the show notes as well.
- 23:28Thank you very much for attending,
- 23:30and thank you,
- 23:30and have a nice rest of your Sunday.
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