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Tinder Changed His Life… Then He Built a 50,000-Person Empire | David Dacosta - Ep 25 · Sense Only

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  SPEAKER_01: Switzerland just became the first country in the history of man to prescribe travel as medication.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: A doctor in Switzerland could say you need to travel.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: Travel is education, especially for us adults.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: You can tell when someone's been traveling, the conversations flow.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Tinder changed my life.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: I got into becoming a six-figure income owner, uh uh at one of the top you know entrepreneurs in the travel space through Tinder.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: How did it happen?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Blocked a few times, I got reported for soliciting business instead of soliciting my body parts.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Balum, if you're traveling back and forth to the US with the war with the oil stuff, it's the most expensive time to travel.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: So for anyone traveling, definitely get a travel business.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to experience a Jay-Z and Beyonce level super king and queen, Moldies, five-star, triple diamond, platinum honeymoon for Primark budget.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Greetings and salutations.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Alicia Mullings, and this is the Sense Only Podcast.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: This podcast is for those who are tired of the noise, distraction, and disconnection in the world.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's for those who know that we need to be the change that we want to see in the world.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: Today, my guest today is brilliance.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: Just to summarise to one word, it's a brilliant human.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: He is just somebody who I can definitely say is a demonstration of consistency.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: When I say I've been kind of within his career in the earlier days, when I was somewhat working alongside him, or you could say within the business underneath somewhere.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: Plugged in, literally plugged in and just charged forward with what he's doing.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I can definitely say, as the people who I'm associated with and in my network, he is absolutely amazing and doing the damn thing.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: So a wonderful influence to the rest of us, and um wonderfully proud to introduce to you the word that is David DeCuster.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I wish I could blush, but that was uh that was an introduction.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Alicia.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly honoured to be here, been following you, following your journey.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to give you a shout out because you know, there's I think every 12 seconds a new podcast pops out.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, there's something about being unique, there's something about being different, there's something about aiming to be the best, but most importantly, giving value and making sure that everything you do is designed to help other people.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I really believe that's the main ethos of what I see from your podcast because I always get something, even if the topic might not be something in my career, my field, um it's something that whether for me I can get value, I can share that with so many people, and I know it will just give value.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm honored to be here.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much for having me.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go, let's go.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited, I'm excited.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: David, tell the people who you are and what you do, please.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, David De Costa, um, just turned 40 years old in March.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh born in Nigeria, came to the UK when I was three years old, um, and grew up, you know, typical story, average, average upbringing, you know, grew up poor, lower class, middle class, whatever you want to call it.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I just thank God for my parents who raised me very, very well.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, raised me with the fear of God, raised me in the straight and narrow.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was around the hood.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up very much in the ghettos of London.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: I went to one of the worst schools in the whole of the world.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just say St.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Joseph's Academy.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out to the Green Gang.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: Some of my friends are not with us, some of them are still in prison today from secondary school.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, I grew up very, very rough.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: But again, I think the founding of my parents helped me to stay on the straight and narrow.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, just God's grace, so many situations in my childhood that could have taken me out, but uh, you know, I'm still here today.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Got into entrepreneurship, got into business uh later on in life in my 20s, late 20s, and um got into the industry of network marketing.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll proudly call myself one of the top network marketers in the world.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've built a team in our industry of over 50,200 people.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which is you know, bigger than most traditional companies, even someone like Sainsby's may not have that many employees worldwide or um around the UK.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm very, very proud of that.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: I work with some of the most phenomenal entrepreneurs.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: My space is travel.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: We're in a travel space, we help people's travel dreams come true, we help people save and earn money on the travel they're doing, help people make money from home, you know.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: So um that's been my call-in, and I thank God for the call-in.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think my mum is one of the reasons I found a really good mentor.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: She said um she would always pray that God will help us find favour with people in high places.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: And at the time I was like, high places?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Who's on the ladder?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know what you talk, what are you talking about, mum?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: But our mentor, a gentleman called Donald Bradley, is the person who is the person at high place, a multimillionaire who flew into the UK over and over and over again to mentor me and my brothers to help us get to a level of huge success, to make a lot of money to help a lot of a lot of other people make a lot of money in our industry in the travel space.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so that's my background, travel entrepreneurship.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: But my career started off studying media technology.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm a cameraman, film director, video editor, been behind the camera all my life.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: But over the last seven years, my passion has changed to being in front of the camera.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: So alongside my travel business, I'm really passionate about filmmaking.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I've got a podcast with a good friend Patrick that we're working on a travel podcast right now.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm currently making a black James Bond web series, which is all the guns, car chases, fight scenes, all the stuff that I really love.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, currently shooting something in Atlanta.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: You just mentioned you just came up from Atlanta, you know, shooting a sci-fi movie with an amazing director over there in Atlanta as well.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was recently in The Capture, BBC 3, a really, really big production, kind of like James Bond MI5 type stuff.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: So all of that action stuff, all of that filmmaking stuff is really my passion alongside my travel business.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a bit of my background, but overall, um, family man, uh, got married a good two years ago, became a dad a good one year ago.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, my grind now is to make sure my family are in the best possible place and to enjoy life while succeeding, making money and making an impact on other people.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's a bit of a summary of who David DeCosta is.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm introducing a new question into every episode, even though I've fluffed over the last few three episodes, but we're we're pushing through.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I want to ask everybody what have you done recently that um you're proud of?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: What have I done recently that I'm proud of?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say, I mean, it's not so much recently, but over the last year, I have been present in my daughter's life 24-7.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: And this started in 2016 when I was a single man, no gal, no wife, no kids, no picnic, you know.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I always said on stage, if you type me on YouTube, you know, David DeCosta 2016-15, you will see me on stage saying, I want to be in a place where I can spend more time with my future wife and children than I would spend with my boss and colleagues.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Not that if anything's wrong with a job, but if my daughter has a piano recital, swimming lesson, football class, whatever, you know, shame on me if another man, another woman tells me I can't be there because they need me to come and make their million.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: So uh 2016, working very hard in that one year, I was able to create enough income, passive income, but I don't need to necessarily go out and work in 95.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: So recently, every single antenatal class that my wife went to, the pregnancy classes, breastfeeding classes, they were really good.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know if I can say that.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, express yourself.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: As my wife was pregnant, all the classes around us giving birth, you know, I was there, and now my daughter said every single sentry class, all the playgroups, the jumping classes, and everything, I'm there.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's the best feeling ever, you know, to be the only man in the room.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: All the ladies looking at you, like, what are you doing, hey?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: Shouldn't you be at work?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I'm at work, my work is making sure I raise you know an amazing daughter.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: So recently, what I've done, that's I'm so proud of, is been present in my daughter's life.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's an amazing answer.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good question as well.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: I just need to get consistent.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: Ask the others.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I was gonna say, so when you got the call to do this, like what what did the call look like?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because you could have been doing, as you've just mentioned, amazing things prior to you getting into this travel business.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what shifted in you for you to answer this call and what why did you see it as so important?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it came from and I don't even know where the entrepreneurship bug came from.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: I I give a big props to my younger brother, Toby Del Costa, who I think always say I'm the first business owner in my family, maybe the first very successful business owner, but my brother started some sort of property business, you know, and instead of going the traditional route, you know, working a traditional job, besides a business, I started making decent money, a good 1,500 a month, which back then I'm talking well over 15 odd years ago, it's a big deal for a young 20-year-old to be making that type of money by themselves, their own business with their own time, not having to clock into a 95.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yo, that's really cool.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that got us a bit of the entrepreneurship bug.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: I went to a rich dad poor dad seminar, and uh, you know, the cheesy ones where they give you the free value and then they pitch you some crazy upsell hey, it's 10 grand to start some training course.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, I didn't know too much about business, I didn't understand what was going on with the upsells.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, they're saying it's one grand to do this course, I'm gonna do it.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want to I want to make money, I want to be successful.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: But me and my brother between us, we didn't even have£100, and they said something like, Oh, if you find someone else to go half with, you can do the course by going 50-50 with someone else who has got the money as well.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: So one lady put her hand up to say, Yes, I want to go 50-50 with someone at the end of this training course, and and I was running around looking for it at the end of the end of it, and we couldn't find her.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I just realized, wow, um, I just missed out on this opportunity, this opportunity to invest into this course, this training, to get mentored to become successful.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: We missed out on it.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: But we we didn't get disheartened, we stayed hungry, we stayed looking.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, how I really got into this travel business is gonna shock you.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm gonna say Tinder.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: A Tinder, yes.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: So um, if you go to YouTube and you type in Tinder Change My Life, maybe you have to type in David DeCosta as well.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_01: But but if you just type in Tinder Change My Life, I might be the only person who said this.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: But I got into becoming a six-figure income earner at one of the top you know entrepreneurs in the travel space through Tinder.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: How did it happen?
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: So when I first got into entrepreneurship, I got into health and wellness.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I was promoting an energy drink that helps people stay healthy.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm on Tinder, and again, I'm just thinking outside the box, I'm a bit of a crazy person.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm using Tinder to network with people about weight loss, about health and wellness, blah blah blah.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I pitched this lady, it said, Hey, would you be interested in some weight loss, some health and wellness products?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: And she said, Nah, would you be interested in my travel business?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, No, you should lose some weight.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: And she said, No, you should travel, and it was just going back and forth.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: And we decided, I didn't say like that.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: That was that's how they really um yeah, anyway.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: That sounded kind of rude.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: But um, we went back and forth, back and forth.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: And in the end, it was my and this is me being an amateur.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Okay, I will join your travel business and you join my health and wellness business.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: So we joined each other, and I felt a bit disgruntled because I had to pay£150 to join her travel business.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: She only had to pay£70 to purchase my health and wellness products.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I was a bit like it's not really a good deal.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm I'm paying, paying way more here.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: I felt a bit annoyed, but I just you know I just went with the flow.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was like happy to make a sale.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I didn't make a profit because I'd already spent£150.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: But this travel business was the travel business that my mentor today wasn't the owner of this company, he was just a normal uh uh distributor inside this company, right?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: But because I met this lady through Tinder, she got me connected with another lady in Croydon, another lady in Croydon, another lady in Croydon who got me connected with my mentor in Atlanta, Georgia, who saw my work ethic, saw my grind.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: We spoke on a Skype, and the rest is history.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: He's been basically a file figure, a mentor to me for the last 12 odd years.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: He flew to London straight away, met me, and within one year, I went from being flat broke, making£900 a month in my cameraman job, to after one year meeting him, I'm making about£8,000 a month passive income.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I quit my job, I give my boss a two-day notice.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't like that.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: He said, You need to give us a 30-day notice, that's the company policy.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Look, Steve, you don't understand, I'm giving you a two-day notice because today you are going to notice I'm not coming back tomorrow.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh was able to, you know, within one year working with my mentor who I met through a connection through Tinder, was able to retire and haven't had a nine to five jobs since.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: So Tinder changed my life.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's so loaded.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many things, okay.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I appreciate you and the lady.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: Great to just go straight to your customers and being you go okay, let's forget the love.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's find it.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, I I mean I've used it because I'm I make my profile very uh clear.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I'm not looking for fun, I'm not looking for relationship, I'm looking to network with people.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: What one thing I liked about the app when I was using it back in days is passport mode, I can swipe or connect with people all over the world.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: So if I know I'm about to do a conference in New York, I'm starting looking for people new connecting with them.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because not everybody on that app is looking for love and fun and sex and stuff like that.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Some are they genuinely looking to network.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Some are smart enough to know this passport mode enables me to instantly connect with people that might be on the same journey as me.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, overall we know it's a dating app or a hookup app, you know.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: But if you make your profile clear that I'm not looking for this or I'm in a relationship, so I would just, even though I wasn't in a relationship at the time, I would lie and say I'm in a relationship.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just looking to make friends and to network with people who are ambitious like to travel.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I made it very clear.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: I had a few people like, oh you sicko, you're supposed to be here for one night stand.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: How dare you talk about entrepreneurship?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: You're sick.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna report you.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: I got blocked a few times, I got reported for soliciting business instead of soliciting my body parts.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but yeah, literally, some people fear is that I'll mention entrepreneurship instead of come to my house and let's do some illegal activities, you know.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, those uh I use it back in the days and I've I've had I've made a lot of money working for some amazing business models that I met on the app.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Fantastic.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: I've been I've the brief time I was on um which one was it?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: Brief time I was on Hinge.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Hinge, yeah.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: There was a guy on there who was I swear he was shutting Shea Butter.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: What was his name?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: I wish I knew Shea Butter.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Did you buy something?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Shea butter.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, but he he had a good twist under Shay Butter.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: If you come on a date with me, I'll make sure you're shiny.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: There wasn't even though I wouldn't bought the Shea Button.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, it was like he was putting all sorts of different flavours and things in there.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like I perfect where he had like a bubble gum flavour, shea butter and things like that.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was it was good things.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean his name I could just shout him out with Shea Button.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: All I know is it's basic, it's basic hackney.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, hinge was good as well.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna lie.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I met my mentor on Tinder.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, changing my life, helped me make six figures, build a 50,000 people empire.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: I met my wife on Hinge.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so it works, it works.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: They say Hinge is the app to be deleted.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: So after us talking for a bit, I think we deleted that maybe 30 days and then married.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: So they work, these apps work, you know.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny you say that because literally, especially because I've just got back from the States, the amount of couples who specifically have been like saying hinge, like I we've got family friends who their their wedding is next week, they met Unhinged as well, and I could list a bunch of other people.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think in this uh well we're millennials, this busy day and age.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: What I liked about online dating is I mean, I became very intentional very quickly after my last relationship.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, I'm not dating for dating's sake, I'm dating to settle down to find a person, and I don't have time to waste.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was already 37 or 38 when I really became intentional.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, I'm old enough, I'm not trying to wait and waste time.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I I like online dating because I could filter out stuff that was just not for me.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Christian, you know, um, you need to be Christian, you need to be maybe not 17 foot tall, you need to be not living in Uganda, you know, because I live in you know Catford.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, you know, so all the things that are not for me, and obviously physical attraction, you know.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so when I now go on a first date, it's not, oh, you know, what's your religious beliefs or what's your political beliefs?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: And and now we it's like okay, we just wasted this time because I can never be with you because of ABC or there's something in your life or that I don't align with.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: So instead of wasting a lot of time, now if I go on a date, the foundation is there.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I know your religious beliefs, political entrepreneurship, are you, you know, the type of person I'm looking for, physically attractive to me.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Am I physically attractive to you?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got a decent foundation to go on the first date with, and we can move forward faster, quicker versus wasting time and saying, Oh, that was a good four hours of a date, but I'll never see you again, you know.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: So it's yeah, I just don't want to waste time.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I saw it.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I find it draining.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Mind the date process, maybe I mean, for men it's expensive.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Receiving through that, man.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and and what people may see about me, I like to have big conversations, a deep conversation.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: So the fact that there's so much surface going on there, what's your favourite smugglers?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh what's your other favourite colour?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Please go away.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: What's your third favourite colour?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely not.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can't because you're just flooded with people and hey through all these people.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what's your favourite colour?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what are you doing?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: And what's your favourite colour?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I just miss it.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: I still got success from that, you know.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: My goodness me, man.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have enough patience.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was so I mean, but when but when you do have a good conversation, this people stand out because everybody else is doing the same old boring stuff.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta you gotta be unique, you know.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: And then you're standing the line when you beat the person you find.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, hey.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's it, that's it.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, these things happen in real life as well.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I think obviously, you think deep down the romance of me and something at a bar, meaning something at a church, or just on the street.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I wish that was me, you know.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: I wish, you know, I had the confidence.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I was a bit of an introvert, even though I speak on safe to thousands of people during the dating process, I'm still, I would say, it's still a bit of an introvert, you know.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I would never, hardly ever go and approach a woman in the street.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And also, I see how other men approach women.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: So even though I'm approaching with common sense, with emotional intelligence as a gentleman, you see how woman kind of like freeze up sometimes when a man approaches them because other men out there are so useless, so trash in their approach, whether they get rejected or even just the initial approach, and my size, and you're and you're and you're and you're 48 years old, you know.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like what are you doing?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I I didn't want to even be painted in the same brush as the losers who approach women on a stupid way or can't take rejection.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: So online, you know, it was kind of my thing, really.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Not men don't approach women anymore, don't you?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because some women that need to be held accountable on how they react as well.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: So is it some men are scared to approach?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, you could now just be labelled as this, you could be shouting in the street, calling the police, and you're just trying to ask for the time.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I sometimes, you know, sometimes ask for the time, and I'm getting, you know, you get looked at like you're trying to, you know, rob someone or something.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: But uh again, you see some nonsense going on in this country.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I I honestly don't blame women for being defensive when any man approaches them.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: I do not blame.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'll tell my daughter the same thing don't be smiling, don't be too happy.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: If anything, try and ignore.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: If they want the time, you know, get it from someone else, not for me, you know, not today.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Say it.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's how I would, you know.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: This is an ongoing conversation.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny that we're I don't know how we just circled onto relationships.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's funny we're saying this because I'm literally just uh which will be two episodes before this episode, interviewed um Stefan Speaks.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, shout out to Stefan.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um I was literally obviously because he's just wonderful in a relationship realm, um, was discussing this similar topic, especially within the approaching, because it's just yeah, not happening.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's a way to do it.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and um women always say, I want a man six four, you've got to be six figures, you're gonna do this, you know, you're gonna, and for example, Pop the Balloon is a show that me and my wife like to watch.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that's missing from women to be asking a man for is emotional intelligence, a high level of emotional intelligence.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you start off with that, even if you pick a guy that's shorter than what you normally go for, bigger than what you normally go for, not as wealthy as what you normally go for, if you have a high-level emotional intelligent guy, most of the issues in relationships and dating will fall into the right place.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because, for example, just approaching someone at the bus stop, a guy who has high level emotional intelligence and a guy who doesn't have high level emotional intelligence, the approach will be different.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: And just from the get-go, everything, you know, and you see, like I like watching pop the balloon because you see how good you listen.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: A question was asked.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Did you just make an assumption?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, hey, I like to go, I like the outdoors.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, pop my balloon because oh, you want to do parachute jumps.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't say that, I said I like the outdoors.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, just making assumptions, not being smart enough to understand what that person really means, or let's take that deeper.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: How can I find out a bit more about this person from the question they asked?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so emotional intelligence from both sides as well, I think is so underrated.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and people keep looking for the wrong thing.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: They want the guy tall, they want this, don't want the chain, or you know, things that don't really mean anything when it comes to relationships, because you can have all those things and be so unhappy because the the guy you're with is an idiot.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: 100% because his emotional intelligence is on zero, so it might look the part, but can't get past one day without arguing, fighting, or splitting up every other Tuesday because someone's a clown.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Preach, brother!
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Preach say it again for the people at the back.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Someone's a clown.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Low emotional intelligence.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um, yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you watch that show?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Pop the balloon or My my patience cannot be crazy.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Furthermore, I just don't have the time, you know.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: I wish I hadn't.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is me right now.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's my little guilty pleasure once in a while.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about the importance because you I know you empower people.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: What shifts are you seeing in people that they can then carry forward into whatever they're doing?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, what's that transformation look like for you from your work?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, from the business I do, you know, I love empowering people.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe, you know, what we do, you know, our business obviously it's a travel business, obviously helps you save and earn on travel, but I believe it's like it comes with a personal development course attached to it for free.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Where I mean, if you see the way I can speak now, you know, I didn't really prepare anything to say.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like we just started rolled, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's because, you know, my mentor who's mentored me for a good 12 odd years now, has installed so much in me, even though originally I'll call myself an uh introvert for the money to look after my family.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna be extroverted.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'll stand on a table and shout in front of a room of 50,000 people, whatever it is, you know, because I've grown as a person.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: My confidence, my knowledge, the books I read, the way I think, most importantly, my mindset.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I sometimes watch my mentor, and I, you know, just it I would call him a modern-day Martin Luther King, which sounds exaggerated because Martin Luther King is.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: What's a big statement, you know, my friend.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't think it's that hard to be a modern-day Martin Luther King.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, talk to us.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because the only reason why a lot of people will say that's crazy is because Martin Luther King is not alive anymore.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: So when people are not with us anymore, all of a sudden they get that those accolades.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: But there are some people alive today who are doing some serious big things, only because they're still alive that they're not being clapped for like that.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I know my mentor is, you know, uh, he could be doing more than a lot of people that uh uh uh icons, a legend, you know, he's changed thousands of lives from the UK to the USA and around the world, you know, and how he's changed my life.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, one of the main things, mindset, the way I think, the way when I see on the news, oh, there's a recession, how I think, he said, Oh my gosh, doom and gloom.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: When I see the government doing our government doing crazy stuff, um, one of the things he said to me, it doesn't matter who's in the White House, it matters who's in your house.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously, when we say the White House, we're talking number 10 Downing Street for us, yeah, Brits, or you know, what goes on in the White House in America affects us too.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: War.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what you pay for petrol today, what you're gonna pay for your flight to Atlanta today versus two years ago.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm about to book a flight to the US and everything's a thousand minimum.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Where I could, for my travel business, fly in and out 300, 400 pounds, but now minimum thousand because of wars and oils and different things.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't matter who's in number 10, it doesn't matter who's in the White House, it matters who's in my house.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: So my mentors installed so much in me, and mindset is one of the biggest things.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, what change and shifts I see in people when I mentor them, and again, I'm disembodied what my mentors poured into me, I'm pouring into them.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you see the change in them, even outside of our travel business, just in life, their Facebook posts, more confident.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: They can go live.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: They can grab a camera and say, hey guys, I'm going live.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about this.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's to do with our travel business or just talking about life, I see a level of confidence that this person could never grab a camera and go live and talk to the world publicly ever.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: It would speak, it would kill them, physically kill them.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some people are so shy, insecure, scared that you know, they just can never do certain things.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: But when you see what you've been pointing to people and mentoring people and they they go on to do bigger, better things in life for the children, they're more confident with their spouse, they're more confident at work.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great feeling, it's a really good feeling, yeah.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: A reality is we know there's a lot of people who some people don't even have their own passport, yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: You've never seen their passport, let's just keep it real.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: And you mentioned that uh travel is medicine.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Please expand on that for people.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first thing first, when we say medicine, I mean really medicine.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I believe Switzerland just became the first country in the history of man to prescribe travel as medication.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: So shout out Switzerland.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: I might move out there because so if you're going through some stuff or certain health conditions, a doctor in Switzerland, can Switzerland could say you need to travel.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Travel is medicine for so many reasons.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: I've got business partners who join my travel business in order to obviously save money on their travel because they need to go to the sun to get healing from the sun because it's good.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Vitamin D, I believe it's vitamin D, right?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, for so many ailments and so many health conditions, the sun, the real sun, not the Lucem sun, but the real sun is so good for people's bodies and people's minds.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so travel is medicine.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Travel for and um uh medicinal travel is a big thing.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: People will travel to certain places to get berry, to get certain fruits, to get certain type of water that they can't get back home to heal their body, and then they come back home and they damage their body again and they go back out and they keep you know doing the same.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Some people, it's just mental health.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: I remember during the pandemic, um, I came out of a very long-term relationship.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: My last relationship, and I was like, you know, I needed a break, I needed to refresh and recharge.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I was born in Nigeria, born in Africa, but not really been back hardly ever.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, you know, I'm gonna go back to the motherland.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: I went back to Africa.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: I went to Zanzibar in Tanzania, and I recharged my batteries and they were supercharged.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I had one of the best times of my life, and I've traveled a lot 200 times the last 10 years, but hands down, the best beach on earth, and I'm giving everybody a heads up.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to go to the best beach on earth, Page Beach, P-A-J-E, Page in Tanzania, okay, Zanzibar Island, sorry.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the water was hot.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mean warm, I mean hot.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we take a nice hot bath, the sea was hot, and you could see straight through it for miles.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was beautiful, you know.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, um, yeah, travel is medicine, and I really think more people should do it.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: It fixes couples, it can bring boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife closer together, mum and daughter, father and son, take them on that first trip to Disney.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're 10 years old, they've never been.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Promise you, I've seen so many couples who've joined my business on the brink of divorce, talking to me about what they're going through, about you know, this is not gonna last till the weekend.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we find them a way to get that trip that they couldn't afford before, they afford it now, they're gonna earn a nice commission on it for our travel business, they go on a trip, and their social media goes from I hate this person, I hate that person, to lovey dovey, kissing, holding hands, sunset pictures and selfies, and you know, and I'm just like, wow, like I think through what we do, we've just saved a marriage, right?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, saved a relationship, saved a bond between uh parent and child.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh travel, travel's fun, man, and some people miss it, they don't know, you know.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's medicine.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: It really is, and I always say, and I say often on these podcasts, environment is everything, and there's so many layers to that, yeah.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I definitely, as somebody who travel, obviously I don't travel as much as you can.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: But you get a fair amount, a few stamps.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: I've gone through a few passports, and yay to me.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um I definitely like I always say, in terms of going back to even like my home country in particular, I always say, as as you break the clouds, it as you've just beautifully said, it's a charge.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: It really is a charge.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, happiness, instant.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, dopamine.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is a drug, yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, America's my spot.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I touch down in Atlanta, yeah, like it's so well.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think I understand the layout of the airport in Atlanta just as good as Gatwick and Heathrow, Stansid, and Luton.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: So Ludacris' restaurant, a chicken and bear.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know, okay, the chicken and waffles is$20 uh, you know, 99.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: If I go there, you know, I've got enough time to get my Uber to get to the hotel, downtown and that.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I just like my dopamine just goes up when I get into America because they got soul food and I love soul food, collard greens, candy arms, and all the stuff that we can't get over here, American brisket when I go to Texas or Houston.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it just makes me happy internally, just makes me happy being in certain parts of the world, Thailand, sticky rice and mango, probably the best food in the world.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Certain places you can go, you can be sad, and you just become happy when you're in certain places.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: But there's so much, and just to add to what you're saying, there's so much of a value of, as you've just said, the experience going into different environments, um, interacting with different types of people, different types of culture, parts of that would be their food, their music, etc.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: etc.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's just powerful, and it's so much just adds to you as a human.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you can actually tell.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: I can have a conversation with somebody, yeah, and you can, and this is probably where your supreme powers probably are now.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: You can actually tell in terms of how much travel somebody's done just from a just from conversation.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: For sure, for sure.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: Literally.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Travel's education, you know.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I was talking one of our business partners, a lady called Hailey France.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Her her son, seven years old, is going to break the Guinness Book of Record for being the most travelled person at his age.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's already broken the record.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's been to 80% of the planet.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yemen and all the places that you can't even legally get into by going through certain routes, taking buses across crazy lands, war-torn areas, you know.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: So he's basically been to pretty much all the countries in the world, and he's already got a Guinness Book of Record at his age, and he's going to be the youngest person to travel the whole world.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: And his level of education compared to another seven-year-old who's only been to Lucem College and you know, around Southeast London, hasn't really left the country.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be different.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: He's been dancing with Maasai warriors in in Zanzibar.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's you know seen what it looks like, you know, in Afghanistan.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he knows what Russia is really like, you know.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: So travel is education, especially for us adults, you can tell when someone's been traveling, yeah, the conversations flow, you know, a bit differently.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: And this is this is part of uh a smidgen within my coiling as well.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: So this is why people will see me.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: I do appreciate my home set.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, do love it here.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: Brilliant set, I love it.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: People will see me random scenes as well around the world because this is a part of my my my mission and the mission of the podcast is to connect people, that's it, that's it, you know, and just to see the beauty of the things that are going around going on around this planet.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: I have done a fair bit of travel on my own as well.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: As a female, I've I've got a lot of heart though.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: My dad was at Lisa, you got you got a lot of heart, yeah, because I will go places on my own as a female feeling away.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: So the travel is good.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I live to tell the sale.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you've got to do it safe, of course, but you know, I have discernment and you know, good half sense.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, you know.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I say that to say one of the things that I feel I've aligned with and and received is that there's more wonderful, beautiful, kind, loving people in this world than there are nasty, horrible, yes, malevolent people.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: And when you travel, you see it.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: And when you travel, you see it, you know.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because I can give an example of back in 2007 I went to Dominican Republic with my family, and we connected with some of the guys in the hotel, yeah, and they loved us so much as a family.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I just need to I just need my mum to meet you.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we went with him to his family's house.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, his mum no English, we do not speak their language, and she bless her, she really didn't have much.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like the house was very basic, very simple, not much going on.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: When I say this lady tried to give us all the things, she tried to give us everything, and she literally had nothing, and she was and they were the happiest family, just down to earth, just beautiful people, yeah, yeah.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then I've had that.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: That was the first experience where I've really actually like clucked it, and I've had that experience in multiple places in the world.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I find that traveling people treat me so much more kind than people at home, to be honest.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned uh maybe was that 10 years ago, roughly.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Same situation you're talking about Jamaican Republic happened to me going to Jamaica.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Now, obviously, this is a good 10 years ago where unfortunately us Africans and Caribbeans still had a bit of that conflict where we didn't realise that we're one.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're beautiful brothers and sisters, uh, we're beautiful uh uh community, we're family, family, and the whole you know, Nigeria versus Jamaica type of thing, and lots of stereotypes, you know, about for example, from my side as an African stereotypes about Jamaican, you know, and you know, I decided to go to Jamaica for the first time.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was a group trip, a couple trips, something like that.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, a few people were like, oh, be careful in Jamaica, be careful in Jamaica.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Went to Jamaica, and there was one time when our car got stuck in like a little hole, and every single Jamaican in in a five-meter radius came out to help us, you know, and so many other experiences where I was like, the Jamaicans in Jamaica are some of the most amazing, friendly people I've met in my whole, at the time, 30 odd years of life.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Jamaicans in Woolwich, the Jamaicans in Stratford that you need to look out for.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so it's like some of the my my so-called Jamaican friends from back from back home, these are the ones I need to watch out for.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, so we can have so many stereotypes about people, but when you travel, you really realize that you're right.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: Most people in the world are amazing, good, wholesome people.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: When you travel, different nations all over the place.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Only a few, a small percentage of people that you say, okay, I wouldn't like to be around that person for long, you know, but most are amazing, you know.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you get to learn the world, what the world is really like because social media would tell you that everyone's a narcissist, everyone's a terrorist, everyone's this, everyone's that.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's what social media and Shade Bar and all these different platforms would make you think.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: But no, there's a lot of great people in this world if you travel and sit and meet them.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess the elephant in a room is finances.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because as much as we can be singing here, yes, we like to jump on play.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's gonna be a lot of people like going, yeah, you like to jump on the plane, but the way my account's set up right now.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how can your business help folks who you know probably have less um income going on?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: But obviously, we've seen we're we're expressing how important it is to travel, you know, for your health and for your education to expand you as a human.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: What would you say in terms of an angle for those?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go deep on the topic of finance.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, over the last 11 odd years, being mentored by a multimillionaire who's one of the most phenomenal mentors in life.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: So many statements he said that I just want to regurgitate and repeat, you know, one being doesn't matter what's going on in the White House, it matters what's going on in your house.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: The government will always do things to benefit them.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: The first thing you've got to understand when it comes to finance is your mindset.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: What is your mindset about money?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: What is your relationship with money?
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Money is just a tool, it's just paper.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a Christian, so the love of money is the root of all evil.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: I understand.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't love money.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love the smile on my mum's face when the money can buy and purchase certain things.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: You can buy time, you can and money does buy happiness.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I hate when people say money doesn't buy happiness.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know what they mean.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to be all romantic and you know it's all about love and hugs.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: I get all of that.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: But unfortunately, we live in London.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is it, you're still on planet.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're not animals, we can't, you know.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: You can't you can't get by it.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: And don't try and be all this fairy tale stuff, like you don't money doesn't mean anything and just about hugs and kisses.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I can love my daughter, and right now I'm working hard for private schooling because I can love my daughter, but it doesn't matter how much daddy loves her.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: If daddy hasn't got enough money, she's going to a cheap school.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: The type of school that I went to, the most ghetto dangerous school, because my brother went to a school called Allah in Dulledge, one of the most postius, beautiful, private top schools at the time.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I went to St.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Joseph's Academy, one of the most gangster, grimy, dirty schools of all time.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, and it wasn't not because my parents love my brother more than me, it's because they've run out of money.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: He got a scholarship, he was very smart.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't as smart.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he might listen to Elton John, I might listen to Tupac.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we grew up on different sides of the track based on money, you know.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, if private school's gonna cost$12,000 a term, I'm either gonna have that money or not have that money.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's got nothing to do with love, it's to do with am I gonna work, am I gonna mindset that I want abundance?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: The Bible talks more about prosperity and abundance than it does poverty.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, if God's blessed me with a healthy body, two arms, two legs, shame on me if all the talents and gifts God's given me, I squander it to only make what four pounds an hour where I can't impact other people.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when I walk past a homeless person, you know, 20 years ago when I was a younger man, you know, I've got three pounds in my hands, that's my chicken and chip money.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I might not give it to this homeless person.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: I know they need it more than me, but my broke mindset tells me, well, I need this three pounds for my chicken and chips, you know.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: But the more money you have, the more you can give.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a bad person and you get a lot of money, you can become an even bigger bad person.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a good person and you get a lot of money, you can become an even good person, if that's the word.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen presidents and prime ministers who have a lot of money, wealth, and power and influence do some stupid stuff because they're bad people.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: We've seen very few government officials who now have this money, power, influence who do some amazing things.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: It could be an artist, Akon, Akon, what he's doing in Africa, you know, because of the money.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's not because he loves Africa.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: Of course he loves Africa, but lots of people I love Africa, but I can't go and install millions of pounds worth of energy and electricity and build schools and stuff.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: I need to get the money so I can go and impact people.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, what I'd say in terms of finances is forget joining the business and making money and doing all this stuff, forget all of the stuff.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's second.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: The first thing is your mindset.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: What is your mindset with money?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you don't figure out the mindset and get a better relationship with money first, you could win the lottery tomorrow.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I give it to 2030, you'll be back poor, back broke.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because if I lost every single penny in my account, if I lost my business and everything, um, I would not call myself poor, I'd still be a millionaire up here because I know okay, okay, I've got no money, no resources.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's fine.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: So long I've got an iPhone and Wi-Fi connection, I'll make a few phone calls, I'll get the right people together, we'll start something, and I'll build myself back.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Give me one or two years, I'll be back to where I left off.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's nothing about the money anymore, it's the mindset.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: I understand what money can do.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, but again, once you've got the mindset with money, the relationship with money uh on point, read books, find mentorship, YouTube is your friend.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's like, okay, how do we level up?
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: How do I travel more if I don't have a lot of money?
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many ways to travel.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can travel for cheap, you can travel domestically.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our travel business is phenomenal because it really does help people save and earn money on their travel.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Everything you booked has a commission attached to it.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: So my wedding, had we booked for both sides of the family, everybody would have been easily seven to eight thousand pounds back into our pocket for that wedding.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: I saw my wife we should get married more often because that's some good commission.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: My honeymoon would have been easily on the dot, pretty much£10,000.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't pay£10,000.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: I always joke and say I love my wife, but I don't love her that much.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: She spend£10,000 for six nights.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: And she wouldn't want me to either.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: She knowed I'll be irresponsible before we've retired both our parents and done all these things, you know.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I didn't pay£10,000, I only paid£2,600.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, instead of£10,000.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to experience a Jay-Z and Beyonce level super king and queen, moldies, five-star, triple diamond, platinum honeymoon for prime up budget, you know, which was a great feeling.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to travel more and you don't have the finances, I would say definitely get in touch with myself, Mr.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Go Travel, on Instagram, so we can show you how you can travel more affordably, travel smarter, um, and travel with other people.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you may not have a circle to travel with.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Some people in the group chat, hey guys, let's go on this trip.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, great.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm down, I'm down, I'm down.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: One week later, okay, deposit 100 pounds.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Who's ready?
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Crickets, can't hear nothing.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's left the group, you know.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: So to have a community to travel with and to learn how to travel better, to save and earn money on your travel, you know, that's what we do.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: And that and that and that point that you just made right there is why I just jump on the plane by myself because I'm like, you have to keep along.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, waiting for people.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, look.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: You'd be sitting at here for like boy, this is it, man.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Been there for a couple of days, you know.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you gotta go.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: Keep it moving.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, in terms of your business, I know that there's some I'm gonna let you express the because we know there's a stigma.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: 100% multi-level marketing.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm in I'm in the industry of network marketing, and I'm a very proud.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let me talk to the camera on this one.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a very proud network marketer.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: So um, can I can I keep it, can I keep it real, real?
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna keep it real, I'm gonna talk some sense.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm but real around here because um again, you know, uh not that I'm pulling the race car, but I really want to address for my community that I love, that I work hard, I'm advocate to help our people.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I really believe this whole thing, I mean let's just keep calling it what it is.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: In network marketing, some people say is that a pyramid scheme?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: Pyramid scheme, pyramid scheme, pyramid scheme, right?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people will say that word.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: They firstly they have no idea what they're talking about.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't even understand why millennials at our age are still saying the words that our parents just say back in the days when people did partners and dodgy pyramids back in the days, you know.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why do you even know that word?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you even saying that word?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: First, you don't know what it means, you're just regurgitating things you've heard from other people.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Recruiting people means it's a pyramid scheme.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Your job recruited you, you didn't call that a pyramid scheme.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: But you was okay to get recruited to just be a slave, to be overworked and underplayed, underpaid, but you're not okay to be recruited by a mentor who actually desires you to become wealthy.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, but just taking it back to the basics, I really believe the whole pyramid and the skepticalness comes from powers that be that don't want you to fly.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe many powers that be want me to be a six-figure income manner, want me to become a millionaire over the next few years, want me to be a successful entrepreneur where I have influence of a team of 50,000 people.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like we all do one thing, that's a lot of things happening, right?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe the powers that be want me to be in that place.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: They would rather me say, oh, that business appearance scheme and not do it and be making sure all my taxes go more to the powers that be versus being an entrepreneur, being a business owner, being more in control of my taxes, being more in control of my income, being more in control of my freedom.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: During the pandemic, Boris Johnson, oh stay at home, don't go to work.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: He wanted to lock down the country.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I'm gone.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Had no boss, no job, time.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Down.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: I said, look, I got three days to make a decision before they lock down.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: How many Zandabar in two days?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I have freedom, time, freedom, financial freedom, location freedom.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't believe the powers that be want that for me because they've never really pushed me towards that level of freedom.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: They've always pushed me towards that level of slavery.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not saying jobs are slavery, but I'm just saying it's close, it's kind of close, you know, because slaves got paid.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: People don't understand that slaves got paid.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you do this much work, this big amount of work, we give you this little bit of bread and this little bit of this, a little bit of that.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what my job was like.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was working every hour God gave me, and I got what, 900 pounds a month?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's not enough for a young man in London who wants to start a family.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: So this whole scepticalness, I believe it comes from people that want you to say pyramid versus being able to actually afford to go to the pyramids.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because some of the people that say pyramid to me, I say, okay, let's go to Egypt to look at the pyramid.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: You can't because you get paid a small salary and you don't have no time to get to that flight.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so pyramid schemes are illegal.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: I would not be on your lovely podcast talking about selling drugs, uh, class A, class B, class C drugs.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't be on the podcast.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have thousands of YouTube videos talking about selling drugs, I wouldn't be on stage at the largest Marriott Helena in the world talking about selling drugs.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't be posting probably nine out of every 10 posts I make on my Facebook, my Instagram, my TikTok, my Snapchat, my WhatsApp statuses, nine out of every 10 posts is about my business.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would have been arrested at some point when I'm publicly telling the world I'm a criminal.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: At some point, someone would have arrested arrested David Acosta, right?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: So network marketing, let's add some credibility to it for the people that you know don't understand it.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a lack of education.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it used to trigger me, but now I I wear a badge of honor.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: I feel bad for you.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: When people I feel bad for you.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: When people say, Oh, it's a pyramid scheme, I said, I feel bad for you.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: Firstly, I can never do business with you because you're very limited in your knowledge of different business models.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: I may not be a trader, I may not be in cryptocurrency, I may not be in health and wellness, I may not be in property investment or house flipping, but I respect those other businesses.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: I know they all are successful, may not be in my cup of tea, but I know they're successful.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: So if you call yourself a business person, and there's always the business people that think they know everything, you do property business, but you think my business is a pyramid scheme, that means you only know property.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: You don't you're not versed in other businesses.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Network marketing makes more millionaires than pretty much every other industry.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking Hollywood, I'm talking music, I'm talking sports and entertainment, I'm talking corporate.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh network marketing makes more millionaires in pretty much all other industries.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's the only business I know of, and when we talk about make talking sense, for someone who you mentioned someone who hasn't got good finances, like me, flat book, for someone who's not wealthy, network marketing, and please in the comments let me know if you know something else that can do this.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's the only industry I know of where a young man like me, a young woman like yourself, can pay as little as a hundred pounds, 150 pounds to get into a business.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: You own a business now, you're a business owner for 150 quid, you have a mentor, multiple mentors, millionaire mentors, billionaire mentors who will mentor you for free.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: You have resources, you have support, you have infrastructure, all these things given to you for less than 150 odd quid, where else could you find that?
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: My mentor is one of the top 20 mentors in life, right?
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: From business to just being a young man, for me being a young man, being a father figure.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: For me to pay him for the mentorship he's given me over the last 12 odd years would bankrupt me.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't physically afford to pay him for my mentorship, right?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you are a podcaster and you say who's the best podcaster in the world, what's that guy in America?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um the guy who does um Joe Rogan.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Rogan.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, if you were to go and pay Joe Rogan, let's just say he's the best podcaster in the world or most well-known podcaster in the world, if you were to pay him to be your mentor for 12 years, and I mean you can pick up a phone and you can call him whenever, you can meet him physically.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: He will fly.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Rogan will fly from the US to your your town in London.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you'll see him five, six times a year.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Whether you go to America to meet him privately, to work with him, he comes to the UK, he pays his own flight to come to the UK, he pays his own hotel, he, you know, and he comes to meet you with you.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can call him, text him, you're you're you're you're working together for a 12-year period.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just imagine the invoice.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: Just the invoice that you pay Joe Rogan.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the top 1% mentors for podcasts, that's one of the most successful podcasters.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: The invoice will scare you, right?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be a couple of zeros on top of some other zeros.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I've got that experience.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the Joe Rogan of my industry mentoring me over 12 years, and I haven't paid him a penny.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: If anything, he's made me uh I've made over a million, you know, in my time in business, you know, and he's mentored me.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I've helped him make money too.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a win-win.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so network marketing.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just for anybody who's watching this who's always been skeptical, we don't recruit, we help.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: I I didn't get recruited.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: I got recruited into my job where a man said, David, you look like you're worth six pounds an hour.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to take advantage of you, take advantage of your body, because they got me to carry enough camera equipment for like six men.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was showing off like how strong I am.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: They said, Oh, yeah, you can do that job by yourself.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of paying other people's salaries to come and help me, I was carrying enough camera equipment for six men, bragging to myself until I hit my back and then realize I'm just Billy the fool.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, six pounds an hour, we want to take advantage of you for as long as you are stupid enough to let us take advantage of you.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I stayed working different jobs like that for about 11 years, flat broke, poor, not making a penny, you know.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I didn't call that a scam.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, can spend four years at university, you can spend 40,000 pounds, and then you end up working at Waffle House or McDonald's, you know, making no money, and we don't call that a scam.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: But when you start a business that revolves around helping other people, selling a product or a tangible service, some people, you know, just get this concept of this whole pyramid thing.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe it comes from people that don't want you to be an entrepreneur, they want you to go and work a job, you know.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the day, your day jobs are pyramid.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_02: 100%, you know.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you just literally look at the business structure of the average JOB, it's a pyramid.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: You got the church, you've got the pastor, then you've got the deacons, your congregation, any company, you got the CEO, you know, the managers, the assistant managers, the employees, the cleaners.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was a cleaner at McDonald's.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: I would never earn more than the CEO.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, but with network marketing, they say this pyramid thing, but I uh it's like it's so opposite.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's an inverted pyramid.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: When I started in network marketing, I started at the bottom, just like anybody in any career.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you start at the bottom and you work your way up.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: But the good thing is, it's not like that, it's like that.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: So there's as many positions at the top as you want.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: People say, Oh, only the person at the top makes all the money.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Great, get to the top.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you're thinking of your job, only the person at the top of your job makes all the money.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_01: Your boss, your CEO makes more money, but you can't get there because you're limited, because it's a pyramid where the person on top makes the money.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: In my industry, I can say, Who are the people at the top making 50 to 100k a month?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, if I work hard and do what they do, I get what they get.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: The computer doesn't say, Oh, we've got too many top income owners, we can't have any more.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, as many as you want.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: But in the corporate world, we've got one CEO and that's it.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can't be CEO because we've got one.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: Until they die or they pick you, you know, which doesn't normally happen, they are gonna be CEO, they're gonna make a fortune, you're gonna make an employee salary.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, the pyramid thing, I feel bad for people now because in this big age of 2026, you still don't understand about home-based business after the pandemic, after the lockdown, you didn't understand about making money from home, a side hustle.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: You still want to just work a nine to five.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: Not that jobs are bad, but no such thing as job security.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: You lose your job, all of a sudden within two months, life is issues.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so for me, I don't try and convince anymore, I don't try and persuade and get I don't get uh butthurt about it.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just feel bad for you.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: And firstly, you've just qualified yourself as someone who never makes a lot of money with me um because you don't understand business.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: And if it was a pyramid scheme, so what?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Why have you been abused by the government for 40 years ago?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 40.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: So most of the pairs around me who say this nonsense pyramid scheme say, so you're scared of investing this 150 pounds.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to invest 150 pounds in a business because you're scared of that.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't have 150 pounds in your account by the age of 40, newsflash, you've already been scammed.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: You've already been scammed, so don't worry about my scam over here.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you've already been scammed, you're broke and you're 40.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't done nothing with the last 10 years of your life, you've been working hard, there's nothing in your account, and this is just being harsh, but also keeping it.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying it from place of love because I my mentor talked to me like this.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I haven't got any time.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, oh, you're busy, yeah.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm busy, busy being broke.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: So, oh wow, that's true and painful.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, um, I can't afford to do this.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't afford not to.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're making no money and working very hard for it.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: So that's me.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a little bit passionate, a little bit passionate, but uh yeah.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: I've changed my mindset, I don't care.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I mean, just like a relationship.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: The amount of women I would have changed their life, given the best life, they would have traveled the world, they've had all the romance.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm too short.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm too short for a lot of women that I've met him.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta be six foot, you gotta be six foot.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I don't need to marry and date every woman in the world, I need one.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking for one right business partner as well.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, yeah, I don't chase anymore.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, give thanks.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna add my two pence to your um wonderful expression.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_02: I get a bit a bit passionate about that topic, but yeah.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, um, just just to chime in, because as I said, in terms of when we've connected many moons ago, yeah, I was involved in the business before this one then.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, in terms of if some people are trying to work out how I got to where I am right now and my mindset and my my entrepreneurial spirit and me doing all the things that I do, I can very much attest and say the foundation of Alicia Mullings is multi-level marketing.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: If there's something that's gonna introduce you to business when you're coming from, as you say, making a human, so many people, and as you say, to as a key thing to turn your mindset and it open you up, yeah, is definitely I think it's a brilliant person.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: Great gateway, yeah.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, brilliant gateway, yeah.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because I I learned so many things.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: Entrepreneurship, motivation, mindset, and knowing that you've got to motivate yourself, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: Richard Branson said it.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: He said Richard Branson's a billionaire, obviously, he's got a bit more money than the average person saying pinwhere skin, but he said, if I lost every penny, I would start again with network marketing, I'll get into a good network marketing company.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, and so uh so I'm like, if people are like um overwhelmed by business because as we know, there's there's levels to business, um get into network marketing.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because as you as you've just expressed, there's there's teams around you, there's so much done for you.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: As you said, things are done for you.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: All the marketing materials done, all done for done, strategies done, all the things are done.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: You just need to step in, as you say, stick in, pay the little play the little toolpence and roll with the people, and people will guide you and hold your hand and take you to where you need to go, but as you said, they need to plug in.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my little my little bit.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's so powerful.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like the average person doesn't have the time to really do normal traditional business, you know.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: This is a shortcut.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody needs to make a multi-level marketing business of my business, yes, and then I will sign up for my business.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: How about that?
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, powerful.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: I have to do, I'm tired.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's um it's a cheat code, it's really a cheat code.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's a cheat code, you know.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I feel bad for people when they say the pyramid.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's like this, you need this business, it will change your life, you know.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: For one pound 30 pence a day, I've got a business partner making over 182,000 pounds a month.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nice passive income.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: £182,000 a month.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Overhead is about£1.40 a day,£1.30 a day.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um,£46 a month overhead, but you're making£182,000 every 30 days.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: You could buy a house in London every 30 days for a family member, technically cash.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so when I hear the pyramid stuff, it's like would you like to tell people what your business entails then?
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so basically I work for a company which is the world's largest online travel agent uh business.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: We have 146,000 people worldwide from Panama to Pekham, and we help you get the ability to have your own online travel agency.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: So having your own travel website that's branded to you, linked to you, linked to your bank account is a beautiful thing.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can book anything in travel, leisure, entertainment, tourism.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm talking flights, hotels, cruises, rental cars, villas, airport parking, speedy boarding, lounge access, concerts, sporting events.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: So just over the last 42 hours, 42 hours, one of my business partners, uh Darren, is going to make from this World Cup over£10,000.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, obviously, England fan, and we're out the competition, but he's really been booking more for other teams, people flying from all over the world to get to America for the World Cup.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so he's gonna make about 10,000 pounds just on the World Cup.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: We haven't even talked about flights and hotels, just football tickets.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Beyonce, she was in North London at the Tottenham Stadium six months ago, I think it was roughly.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: One of my business partners made 5,000 on the dot from booking uh Beyonce.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even like Beyonce.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, doesn't even like Beyonce.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, but then you've got flights and hotels, you've got Afro Nation that's happened, you've got Christmas, Valentine's Day.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: So being able to book travel for yourself and others, and we get paid 70% of the commission.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: So if you went to Atlanta with a group of people, you know, and the commission was a thousand pounds, you book it for them, you help them get a better experience.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: You might call up, hi, my name's Alicia, I'm a travel agent.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I want to help my ladies get upgraded to a nicer room, champagne on arrival for this couple, rose balls and bed for that couple.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: You can do all these nice things that expediabooking.com won't do.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: And you still want a commission.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: So from a thousand pound commission that would have just gone to the hand of the websites you use.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: 70% comes back to you, so£700 into your pocket.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we get to book travel.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: You have a website where people can go to your website behind your back.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say you're very busy, you're doing a podcast right now, someone texts you, hey Leash, you know, um, I want to go to Vegas.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: Can you book it?
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: Book it for me.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: I know you've got a travel business.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: You can say no, I'm too busy.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: Go to sense travel, go to you know, and um book it yourself.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: Day book a flight, a hotel, some activities in Vegas behind your back, and in the morning you see a text on your phone, here's your commission, blah blah blah.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: So people can book behind your back, which is really good.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and of course, yes, the recruitment side, network marketing.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: I love that it's got a network marketing model to it because I don't call myself a travel agent, I'm a travel business owner.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: A travel agent has to work to get paid.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: I do a booking, I get paid.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do a booking, I don't get paid.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: Similar to a job, if I don't go to work, I don't get no salary.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I love the fact that I get to build a team.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've personally recruited nine to ten really good people, and those nine to ten good people have grown into five fifty thousand two hundred and something people.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not the best person in my team.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: I've got some celebrities, I've got some well-known artists, athletes.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we've booked trips with Anthony Joshua, we've done some big things.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, God rest your soul, Fat Man Scoop was one of my business partners before he passed away uh a few years ago.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we've done some big things just because I found nine of the right people, not chasing the wrong skeptical, negative people that are destined to be poor because they're trying to be poor.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: Every opportunity that comes their way, they've got an objection for it.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not looking for those people, but we all have one of these smartphones.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're not making money from it, it's not a smartphone, it's a dumb phone.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: So for the network marketing side, I love looking not for people, for the right people, people like yourself that are ambitious, that want to inspire others and create that change that they want to see in the world.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I just look for a few of the right people, and I only need nine, nine odd people to change my life.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: So when someone says no to me, it doesn't mean anything because I don't get paid more money by working with a friend or family member.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the people I'm working with are total strangers, but we're gonna make thousands together, and some people with the same surname as me, or we grew up together, we're gonna make no money together, and I'm okay with it, you know.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, it's a it's a beautiful business.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: So for anyone interested, you know, definitely holler at me, holl at yourself, and uh I'm like you just you just drop the seat sense travel, sense travel, makes sense travel.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: It makes sense to travel, okay.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_02: So then it makes sense to travel.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: It makes sense, it makes sense for me to have to sign up to because you know, like even if I'm not doing the multi-level marketing, nothing of it, as you see.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're in another America, so dependent, but me, I'm always on planes, but my own travel for real.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and right now we lost Spirit Airlines.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you ever flew Spirit.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_02: I flew Spirit back in December.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I mean obviously we people cut it and joking.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: I like Spirit.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: Spirit was not that bad.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: I like Spirit because Spirit had lever seeds, and because I got one with my anti-back wipes, it was easy to wipe it on the extra.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: But do you know what they did?
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, it's probably one of the lowest budget airlines in America, but they went out of business and nah, they they kept the prices fair.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: I personally would rather travel on Delta and American Express, etc.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: But if I just need to get from A to B, and again, I'm I'm down to a fumble.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: I am bougie when it comes to some things.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: I might have spent half a million on travel, but I'll still have I'll be traveling 20 times a year in Primark shoes.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you're not gonna find me in Gucci Louis Vuitton, but you're gonna find me all over the world.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, every random Monday morning I might be going to a different place, but I might be wearing Primarch clothes.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'd rather wear Primarch clothes and have been to 50 countries in a year, then wear Gucci and go to one Amsterdam with my boys.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's not me.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: So um, spirit, yeah, I don't care about uh a low budget airline, I just want to get from A to B.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: For me, I don't want to I want to do the you know um first class one day and all that type of stuff, but if I'm paying£20,000, am I taking a seat with me?
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: Am I taking a plane with me?
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's£20,000 just to get from A to B, I'd rather pay£2,000 and travel another 15 more times versus so that's just me personally.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: So Spirit kept the prices fair because the other companies couldn't charge$500 for a one-way trip somewhere because Spirit had it for 50.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_01: So they kind of had to so right now, you know, if you're traveling back and forth to the US with the war with the oil stuff, it's the most expensive time to travel.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: So for anyone traveling, definitely get a travel business.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_01: I hear you 100%.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_02: Because basically, you're you're the the equivalent of websites that people use already.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_02: 100% so you we're the living, breathing, human version that you can talk to of skyscanner, kayak, etc.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: etc.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: I always say to people, you're already a travel agent.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean to you, you're a travel agent.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know at some point in your life you've booked for a partner or maybe a friend, a child, or group, and the commission just you know happily gave it away.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: So all I do is the same thing.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: I book for me or others, and I just earn the commission instead of giving it away.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: And overall, look at the cost of my the business.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: You look at the cost, you look at the monthly overhead, you look at the joining fee.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: If it works out to 600 pounds for the whole year, am I going to save or earn more than 600 pounds in one year?
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Considering me, I travel 10 times a year minimum.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, I'm gonna save and earn more than 600 pounds.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: So this is not a bill, this is an investment.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: Just my honeymoon alone, like I said, saves about seven odd grand.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: My wedding alone earn about seven odd grand.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: So why would I not spend£150 for a business when I know how much I'm gonna travel this year?
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_01: Even domestically, arsenal tickets and one Arsenal ticket costs way more than the cost of my business.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm what I want, because we won, I want to buy quite a few Arsenal tickets.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so why am I worried about£150 investment when one Arsenal ticket can be£200,£300?
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't even left the country, I'm just in North London.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, with the domestic things I want to do, watching football games, concerts, I'm Jagged Edge has come in to O2.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: Can't wait.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm going to see Jagged Edge, uh, Jagged Edge Bow Wow, B2K, and I think pretty Ricky said they all come in, was able to book that again through my business.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, I haven't even left the country yet.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's us to 02.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: So, all these little things I'm gonna do from a football ticket to a concert, I'm spending thousands.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, it's a no-brainer.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, what people can get from you is concert tickets, sports tickets, travel tickets, yeah, accommodation, anything in travel, leisure, entertainment, tourism, you know, the whole nice theatre shows, you know, Madame Tussold, the Harry Potter tour, you know, Legoland Windsor.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: If you've got your young children, you want to take them to nice places domestically in the UK, the big bus tour around central London, you want to show them the history of the country, or you want to see the Rum factory in Jamaica, you want to do you know, soccer and the big water fight, the biggest water fight in the world in Thailand, the whole thing is there.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it it's a no-brainer for people to get involved with this thing.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you have no plans to travel, you don't travel, you've got no one to travel with, no life, you know, you've got too much money, you don't need to make any more money.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you've already got a travel hookup, then yeah, then it willn't make sense for you.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, um, sense only travel coming soon.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: You go to head first.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: It makes all the sense in the world.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: Travel makes sense.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: That would be an extra.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, travel makes sense.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Travel makes sense, then you can.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's a trademark that trademark.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: Travel makes sense.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it'll be an extra tab on the website.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_02: So senseonly.com.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: Send all your bookings there for all the things.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: My cute cardigan as well, all the things and my glass.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_02: Cheese.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: All the things.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can buy the glass, you can buy the cardigan, buy in your flights.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is I love that.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't think outside the box, man.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: So many streams, so many streams, because not everybody may want to buy this one product that you have or that product, but have as many, don't be a jack of all trade and do everything, but have things that align with your visions, your values.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: For me, you know, I'm passionate about travel, I'm passionate about filmmaking.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: So those are two of the main things that you know I do.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: So with you, it makes sense.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_02: It makes sense because people see me just popping up in different parts of the world anyway.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_02: So hey, I love it.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: What's the best place you've ever traveled to?
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the place that you just you know you can't defeat, can't be defeated like the best place?
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_02: It depends on what barometer you're using because there's different places for different things.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so mice in the in the US, specifically, New Orleans.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, man, some Cajun food will make you change.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: New Orleans moves me differently.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's definitely because I'm so music is just everything to me.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: I love music.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've mentioned it in the earlier episodes on this podcast that my degree is in music.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: Blah blah blah blah blah and music lady.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, New Orleans nice.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: They got some soul, man.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: Listen.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: Music and food.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: Music and food.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_02: I landed on the Saturday.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: My friend, she she made sure she took me to a second line on the Sunday.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness me.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_02: If there's something that everyone needs to do in life, especially as people who love music, join a second line.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, music through the streets, the vibrations, it's just absolute joy.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: By the time I uh it finished, I was I can go him now.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_02: Do I yeah, I was so filled from the trip.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I I can go now.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: I went to Madagas once just yeah, the vibe is the people.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: Mostly I'm a foodie, so I'm more into the food more than the music and the other things, but just the people and the vibes, man.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: New Orleans is cool.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: New Orleans is just beautiful.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to everybody who's in New Orleans and people from New Orleans and everything they've been through as well.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: I send so much love to Norwell or Nola for sure.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'd say there in the USA, New Orleans wins for me.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: Anybody wants from any other state wants to come for me, make my day.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_01: Type in the comments, we'll do this.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_02: In the comments, we can have a conversation.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_01: New Orleans' special, yeah.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: I like Atlanta.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: Special.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, I like the other places have a little zhuzh, there's things going on.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I frequent New York all the time.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's things going on there, but as something that moves me, my soul.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, in terms of New Orleans, you mentioned music, so for me, uh I'm definitely a music.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: Philadelphia, sorry.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't appreciate Philly.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: I thought Philly's great too.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I haven't been there.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: What's it like, Philadelphia?
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: Music again.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just music, okay.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, yeah, in terms of music, New York.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll go to New York, I plug my headphones in, and I'm listening to all my old school New York artists, Biggie, Puck, Papoose, 50, and I would walk through New York.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: I could walk for four or five hours, just walking, listening until my batteries die on weather device I'm using.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the first time I ever went to America, we went to New York with my boy Ola, and um we walked for about seven hours non-stop.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: We walked to Brooklyn Bridge, we walked the financial trade area, we walked through Manhattan, we walked the whole New York because as a filmmaker, obviously a lot of the movies that I love are based in New York, you know, Manhattan, the big, the big Apple.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm watching for the first 20, 25 years of my life, New York, New York, New York.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm watching the the yellow fire hydrants, I'm watching the police car the LAPD, I'm looking on the building, the Empire State Build, and I'm seeing it on movies.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: So when you actually go to New York and see it with your own eyes in real life, made it almost emotional.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, wow, this is New York.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: I've been I've been seeing it on TV for so long.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm a hair and I'm looking at the atmosphere, and I fell in love with New York.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not my favourite place in America, but it's very sentimental.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go there and I just have to listen to like Day-Z hip hop, and now I'm just walking through Brooklyn and I'm just like, yeah, I'm not in Brooklyn, I was like, yeah, I'm vibing and I'm just like, I'm in bedstaff, I'm in Brooklyn, I'm in Queens, you know, so it's it's a nice feeling for me.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've got great memories in New York, but at the same time, yeah.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's at the same time, I find it overstimulating.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's a bit crazy.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: New York is crazy.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot, New York is crazy, yeah.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy, um, and I think and just as I said, there's different different places for different things.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously, Jamaica is home.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna love it for um, and then I've expressed on this on this podcast many a times how I was just attached to Angola.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it moved me differently.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Ghana was what so many people.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: We don't want to go to Ghana, yeah.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Everywhere's just you're gonna have to keep going special things in different places, and as you say, I'm just gonna keep going.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Keep going, keep going.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: You can never see it all in one trip anyway.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_01: So this is it.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, we don't want to go to Ghana, even though I'm Nigerian.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_01: My Nigerian brothers and sisters are gonna kill me for this.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_01: But I would rather go to Ghana than Nigeria, you know.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'd rather I want to go to Ghana, yeah.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_02: So you know how long I've been trying to go to Nigeria.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_02: This I'm gonna caught my eye after my Nigerian friends because the wavewang just keeps going and leaving me.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, I want to go with other people.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: I've been trying to go, I just haven't reached yet.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I want to go with the right people show you around and yeah, show you show you what's what where to go.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I I'll have to go soon, I need to, because I feel like a sellout, man.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've been in Jamaica three, four times, haven't been back to Nigeria since I was born there.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I guess if you've got different kinds of emotions and things going on.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's always normally I travel for business, but yeah, I do need to make some time to go to Africa a lot more.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many other places in the motherland I need to hit, man.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, have to go, you have to go to Zanjibar.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's on the list, Kenya's on the list, South Africa's on the list.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_02: South Africa's good, yeah.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like so much.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Everywhere I need to go.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_02: I need to in our lifetime.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's why money, you know, and man, someone got to put you on this planet and you only stay in South West London.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's a crime, man.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like you've got to explore, man.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_01: This world is so big.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's a whole planet.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's so big, man.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much to see and do, and I can't be friends with someone who says they don't care about traveling.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or travel term is Amsterdam.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Again and again and again, Amsterdam.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: Have you got any cheap flights to Amsterdam?
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: What are you going to do?
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_02: I had a guy, fun facts, who tried to try to pursue me.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_02: He tried to talk about oh, he doesn't really want to travel, he just likes to go back to whichever country he's from.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Yeah, bye.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like the complete opposite.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, bruv.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: The relationship you'll have with a guy who doesn't want to travel, and the relationship we have with a guy who's obsessed with traveling, it's two totally different relationships.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: They could be the same type of calibre guy, different minds.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: They could oh man, your whole life.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Just imagine you have two identical guys, yeah, same income, same look, same faith, whatever, but one doesn't travel, won't travel.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: One is obsessed with traveling as much as possible.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: The relationship you have, even though these are the same guys, one will probably be for someone like you and me who like to travel, one will be a very bad relationship, and one could be amazing.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I couldn't even dream of even being friends with someone who specifically hates travelling.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've got nothing in common.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's sad.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how I'm supposed to communicate, like communicate with such a person.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll just say God's given you this world and you've taken it for granted where they're staying in cat for like I can't be your friend.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: I can't be your friend.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't relate.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't relate, you know.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that mindset to me.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we can play football together, you know, but it's limited communication.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Limited communication.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Don't even say pass me the ball, just hand gestures.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Don't don't even talk to me.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: You've never been to Gatwick more than two times in your life.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Don't talk to me, please.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_01: Respectfully.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, yeah, because yeah, so many things.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_01: We love travel.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_02: We love travel, man.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's as I said, it's the it's the key education in life.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Health, education, life, happiness, money, the amount of money you can make by moving around the world as well, you know.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_02: And and just to add to circle back to what you were saying earlier, in terms of like a cheap way to travel, probably more so for maybe younger people, and as much as it's never traditionally been associated with us as melanated people, but backpacking.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, man.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, if you if you want to be on a on a I'm gonna use the old school word, an a raggote.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_02: So just pack up your things and backpack and go and see the world cheap.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I I've I've installed this in my wife.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we we just came back from literally the reason why we didn't podcast today because I just landed from Portugal.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm caught Portuguese as well, so I've got some Portuguese in the family.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to take my daughter to see one of her motherlands.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but um, we just did backpacks, and even when we sometimes travel for two, three weeks, I've taught how to just get it all into a backpack because firstly, I don't I hate checking in my bag and going to that conveyor belt and hoping that it's there.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: I've had experiences where it's not there, and I just I just can't have my stuff going missing.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've got stuff to do, I've got meetings, I need my suits, I need this.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I've learned, even when I go to America now, I've learned even if I do a week or two weeks, I can do it in a backpack.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Now I know how to do it smart.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_01: I might wear a big coat and I might wear three of my suits on my body, and as soon as I get past that gate, taking them off then back.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't make a difference.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm only gonna be wearing a lot of stuff for a short period of time.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Even if I was a millionaire, multimillionaire, I'll still be doing it the same way.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Your sleeping pillow, my wife's doing a really good uh reel talking about how you pack that sleeping pillow, you can put a carding in there, you can put a lot of stuff in there.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_01: We're traveling with the baby, we put a lot of the nappies in there and that sleeping pillow.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Smart?
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can pack it up because that's not class as luggage, but it is luggage.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's a little, that's a little, you know, that little small bag that if it's any bigger than that small bag, they're gonna charge you 100 pounds at a gate.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sleeping pillow, that's your small bag there, you know.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just take out the foam in the middle, and and it's still, if you put soft stuff in there, you can still use it to sleep.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_01: So there's so many ways you can travel, backpacking, you know, traveling in certain groups, and there are still a few deals out there where for£100 flight and hotel, you can go out to Turkey two nights, three nights.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you and your partner, every month, you save, you work hard.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say you work in a normal job, you could be working at McDonald's, Nando's, you know, and if you save a little£10,£20 hair, maybe every two to three months, you've got£80,£90 again for our travel business.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: £90 will get you flight and hotel from Stansted to Turkey or from Gatwick to Spain, flight and hotel for two to three nights, three-star and four star.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: It could be half-board, could be all inclusive, you know, for£100, flight and hotel for two nights, three nights, and every two, three months, even every one month,£100 go somewhere.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, get in Europe.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can travel cheap.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, if you're humble enough to say, okay, I don't need a five-star, you know, for me back in the days, you know, that wasn't about five stars, about just getting there.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I say to people, I'm I'm not a tourist, I'm a traveller because I find the best travel is not in the hotels in terms of accommodation.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like stay in like if I'm going to Jamaica and I'm not staying with family, staying in the guest houses, um, and as we would, you know, what we've got in this day and age, you've got Airbnb and blah blah blah.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_02: I really prepare I prefer to stay in just in the community with the people, yeah, in somebody's yards, yeah.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um hotels and things and yeah, and to try and I've tr I've travelled on buses, yeah, I've been on the bus.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_02: I like the bus in the middle.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_02: I literally put I've got the bus, I've gone the subject.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Being with the people, man.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Being with the people that means you really travel there versus you tourists for.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_02: And you've got the full experience.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_02: I remember being in the on the bus in Ghana.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know where it was the trip was with my dad was where it was going, but you know, when you see like documentaries and certain films and the and the the the livestock on the bus as well?
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_02: I was on the bus with the livestock, and it's a whole experience.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, lifestock.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, these are these are the experiences that sweet you know, yeah, and they're just the best memories rather than just laddie daring it up in a resort.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_02: I I appreciate a resort if I bought.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I actually like to be with the people, I like to go to local restaurants.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I could say, best one of the best restaurants I've been to in New York specifically.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was years ago, I went to a restaurant in Queens, an Italian one.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know whose granny.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's that restaurant.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, somebody's Italian granny was making the food.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, incredible.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Really, and that's what I love.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then think about this this concept because recently we just had a heat wave here in the UK, and I made a joke and I said, uh, top tip to stay cool during this heat wave, number one, travel to Jamaica.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I just said it as trying to be funny.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Then I actually Googled it, I said, okay, what's the temperature?
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_01: And while I was staying in Tottenham, it was like 31 degrees, and I checked Jamaica now.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, it was a bit early on in the day, but it was still like 28 degrees.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, damn, Tottenham is hotter than Jamaica right now.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_02: At least Jamaica's got sea breeze.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_01: So you can be that person who said, Oh, I have to be in the bougie five-star.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's no real difference being in uh Bond Street, five-star Hilton, or being in Montego Bay, Jamaica, five-star Hilton.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, with the heat wave, weather's the same.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Weather's the same in the UK as Jamaica, it's just as hot, maybe just as humid, whatever.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And a five-star in Bond Street and a five-star in Jamaica's, you know, you can get different types of food.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can get Jamaican food in Bond Street, you can get British food in in Jamaica.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: You haven't even left the country.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're just in a five-star hotel.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: You might as well just go down the road to Central London and go to a five-star there, versus travelling all the way far to go to a five-star in another country, go and be with the people, go and be in that country.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I rarely would do a resort now unless it's a relaxing thing with the family, baby.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you've got my daughter and I'm just trying to keep her, you know, somewhere nice.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you know, it doesn't make sense to go the other side of the world to just be in a hotel that you've got up the street.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_02: I just as a just as a fun fact, because as you just said, I've just literally landed back from the States.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_02: And when I was in Atlanta, I I don't stars aligned, yeah, and I came across an app which is not quite Airbnb, but similar, it's like a membership exchange.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna mention the name because I need to get the sponsorship.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, long story short, yeah.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Me by myself, four-bedroom, beautiful house.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Ask me how much I paid per night.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_02: £100, 38 quids,£38.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_02: I paid, four-bedroom house all to myself for a week in downtown Atlanta, and the house was beautiful.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute, is this where you kind of like swap houses that one?
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I saw I've got it saved on my desktop by now, so we'll talk about that off.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, the joy, the joy, yeah, wow.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that that experience on its own, yeah.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_02: I know I had a better time than all my because of my podcasting cohort who were in the in the hotel where the summit was.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's so cool.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about that.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_02: We'll talk about that.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a lot of tips and tricks.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you give it to a community, don't just be all by yourself and too independent.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Get with a community that like what I just learned from you now, what people can learn from us, you know, that's why I love my business because I am I'm not the smartest person in the room.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's some people that give me some tips, stuff I've learned that's saved me thousands of my travels by listening to knowing certain things, or if I go to a country, what to do, what not to do, how to stay safe, you know, especially if you're gonna solo travel at yourself, you want to be in a community.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, for you as a woman, you know, in my group of 50,000 people, we've got a few different WhatsApp groups.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_01: You could ask, hey guys, I'm about to backpack by myself to Brazil.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as a solo traveling female, what should I do?
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_01: What should I not do?
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you can get advice that can save your life, change your life, give you fun, give you happiness, give you security for free versus having to go and risk it and hope for the best, you know.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because oh, yeah, I did it myself.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, there's another lady there who's just done it, giving you all the tips and tricks and stuff.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, community, you know.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're very big on the city.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm full of tips and tricks.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I could I could contribute to the community and I got enough things to share.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_01: So, value, just sharing value, you know.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's I know something that you're very heavy on.
• 1:21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, empowering people, giving value, you know, and being a difference, like like you said, when we decided to do this podcast, you know, being the change in the world that you want to see, and it could be so many things.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_01: You could be giving advice to that couple that have never traveled and they want to do it, but they're scared.
• 1:21:29
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you know, just say, hey, just go do it, just go do it, you know.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_01: So do it, man.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any final thoughts you'd like to share with the people?
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, not really, you know, we've covered a lot.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_01: This has been, and I've done quite a few podcasts, I've done quite a few interviews, I've spoken on stages.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: But this has been one of the most in-depth, powerful, and personal uh let's call it interview or podcast that I've ever done.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: You are definitely top of your game, you know, and I'm I'm honoured to be here.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Not too much to share because we've shared so much, yeah.
• 1:21:57
  SPEAKER_01: But just really a thank you to yourself for everybody tuning in, you know, definitely follow Leasha's journey, support, share, like, comment, do those things because there's so many people that they they're literally, if they heard just one of your podcasts, it will change their year.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be like, okay, I'm a fan, I'm plugged in, I'm subscribed, and and this is literally gonna help my journey.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's some people going through some stuff, yeah.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_01: It could be depression, and some people that are so lonely.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_01: There's some people that align with you and your values so much, and they don't even know that people like you exist in this world.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Man, I just wish I had a sister that was like me, that thinks like me, and then they see you, they see what you do, and they'll be like, oh my gosh, I had no idea that here in this country I could find someone like you, or there's an American who's thinking all British people like this, or Americans like this, and they see you and they're like, oh my gosh, you are my what do you call spirit animal or something like that, you know, and uh and um sister, it's all sister, and there's so many people just don't know what's out there that can benefit them, help them, inspire them.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I definitely like, comment, share, and get this out to the people who you know need to hear it because there's some people out there that their lives have changed good and bad by just not being in the right place with the right people.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm very big on that as well.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Community and spreading the good word, so very, very proud of what you've done.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Where can the people find you?
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um, Mr.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_01: GoTravel, that's my Instagram name, my main platform, Mr.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: M R G-O Go Travel.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Mr.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Go Travel uh on Facebook, it's David DeCosta.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm probably the guy in the suit.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, those are my two main platforms.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: But you can also find me at Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted, Atlanta, Jackson's Hartfield, you know, airport.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's where you really, if you want to find me, that's where you can find me.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I don't have no beef with all my uh old friends from back in the days because they can't be where I'm at, man.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm at the airport too much.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, that's where you can find me online at Mr.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Go Travel, David the Costa on Facebook or at the airport.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_02: You need to get shares at all their pay costs, but my middle name should be Gatwick, David Gatwick the Costa.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's a trademark there.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_02: I love it, David.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_02: You're a gem.
• 1:24:04
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because yeah, as we say, it's there's so much value in travel, and I'm glad that you're doing what you're doing to help our people escape whatever their situation is and go and see this beautiful planet that we're all living on.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, thank you, and yeah, another wonderful uh episode, amazing episode, and I hope everyone feels encouraged to find a way to just do more travel.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_02: The world is as it's beautiful, don't get caught up in the borders because the border the God never made them borders, yeah, you know.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I feel I hope that you feel encouraged and as usual stay blessed.