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The Psychology of Horror · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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Speaker 1: So switching back to question Eddie, what is your earliest
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Speaker 1: memory of being scared by a movie.
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Speaker 2: Before I traumatized myself again. I do just want to
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Speaker 2: say thank you for sharing that my friend. Rest and
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Speaker 2: peace to Brett, but thanks for sharing that with the audience.
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Speaker 2: As I got ready for today, I looked at the
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Speaker 2: first question. I was like, man, what was the first
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Speaker 2: time that I was scared by a movie? And I
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Speaker 2: remembered it almost instantly. Back in the day, with a
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Speaker 2: couple of my older cousins, we used to go to
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Speaker 2: my grandma's house a lot, and I remember one time,
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe getting there a little bit later than them,
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Speaker 2: and they were watching a movie. And the movie they
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Speaker 2: were watching was Blade, And if you're not familiar, I mean,
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Speaker 2: Blade is what is easy of a vampire hunter. He's
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Speaker 2: like a vampire that hunts back right, something like that.
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Speaker 2: And I remember watching the movie with them, and because
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Speaker 2: I was with them, it was just kind of like
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Speaker 2: not a huge deal, like it kind of it was
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Speaker 2: what it was. Right fast forward a chunk of time,
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Speaker 2: I go to my grandma's house and I'm by myself
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Speaker 2: this time, and I'm just hanging out. I I'm just
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Speaker 2: gonna put in a movie. I go grab Blade because
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I know this movie. I didn't
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Speaker 2: know what was at the beginning of the movie. So
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Speaker 2: we pop it in and it's going and like right
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Speaker 2: away there's a scene where this like vampire was like
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Speaker 2: burn and just like rushed into a hospital like freaked
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Speaker 2: me the fuck out to where I had to like
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Speaker 2: turn it off, pull it out of the VCR shout
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Speaker 2: out VCRs, and that was it. I stopped watching it.
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Speaker 2: I feel like I've re seen it now as an
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Speaker 2: adult sometime maybe in the last ten years, but that
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Speaker 2: like fucked me up for a little bit, Like that
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Speaker 2: was fucking scary, and it's so universal.
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Speaker 1: There are so many people who have those types of
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Speaker 1: memories that were a movie when they were a kid
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Speaker 1: really scared the hell out of them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it got me so yeah, I guess shout out blade.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned that it started like with
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Speaker 1: your cousins, because that's exact exactly where mine comes from too.
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Speaker 2: What do you got I.
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Speaker 1: Remember being with my cousins. I was young, I must
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Speaker 1: have been seven years old or so. They had Jaws
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Speaker 1: going on the TV, and you know the scene where
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Speaker 1: the shark comes up crushes the boat in half, like
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Speaker 1: clamps down on Quint's legs and he just starts screaming,
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Speaker 1: And I remember being seven years old and being like,
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Speaker 1: what the hell? This is awful, but ironically enough, like
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Speaker 1: Jaws is one of my favorite movies ever, and as
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Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I have come to appreciate how good
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Speaker 1: of a movie and how well done of a movie
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Speaker 1: it is. But boy, I was scared for a long time,
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Speaker 1: and that one really stuck with me too.
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Speaker 2: If you haven't guessed yet, our episode is about the
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Speaker 2: psychology of horror. I think of like, I'm just not
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Speaker 2: one of those people that we know this. I don't
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Speaker 2: watch a ton of movie right, so even scary movies
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Speaker 2: even less right getting ready for today. It made me
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Speaker 2: think of when I first got into true crime podcasts,
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Speaker 2: and I remember like Kevy had shown me an episode
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Speaker 2: of Case File True Crime. Shout out to them, great
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Speaker 2: one if you're really into like really interesting but also
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Speaker 2: potentially like fucked up like true crime stories. I remember
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Speaker 2: we listened to an episode. I was like, oh man,
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Speaker 2: this is like good shit, like I'm like hooked, and
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Speaker 2: I started listening to it more and I just remember
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Speaker 2: for a chunk of time because I wasn't like desensitized.
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Speaker 2: Yet I would like I felt like the hairs on
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Speaker 2: the back of my neck were standing up all the time,
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Speaker 2: like I was like on edge. And I think just
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Speaker 2: because I don't watch enough scary movies that like I
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Speaker 2: just would rather avoid because I don't want to. I
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Speaker 2: would not I would like to not get scared.
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Speaker 1: So you didn't like the feeling.
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Speaker 2: Not my favorite? No, I hate the Oh. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if we're gonna keep talking about Like one time on
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Speaker 2: a plane, I was watching one of the Paranormal Activity
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Speaker 2: ones and I think it was I don't remember which number,
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Speaker 2: I don't remember how ma they made, but it was
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Speaker 2: one where there's an Xbox, the one the connect. Remember
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Speaker 2: that the Xbox three sixty had like a and an
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Speaker 2: additional thing you connect to it, I like had the camera.
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Speaker 2: I remember there being something specific about like the connect
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Speaker 2: was like picked up on like some creepy shit in
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Speaker 2: the middle of the night. And I remember, like it
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Speaker 2: gets to the end, everything's like going wild. There's like
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Speaker 2: all these like scary like I don't know, monsters, whatever,
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Speaker 2: and then right as it's about to end, the camera
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Speaker 2: like turns and boom, one of like the scary whatever
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Speaker 2: it was right right in the middle. Made me jump
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Speaker 2: in the airplane, like in my seat, so I avoid
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Speaker 2: especially if I'm by myself. Yeah, I'm playing you. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We base a lot of our topics on this show
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Speaker 1: off stuff we experienced in real life and stuff that
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Speaker 1: our patients are going through. And as a child and
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Speaker 1: adolescent psychiatrist, I have noticed that kids these days are
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Speaker 1: getting marketed to a lot of horror, especially games. It
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Speaker 1: feels like now more than ever, kids are getting marketed
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Speaker 1: to specifically, so movies, shows, games, especially those horror games
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Speaker 1: are now pretty commonplace. It's not just kids watching adult content.
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Speaker 1: Because I think it's interesting that both of our stories
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Speaker 1: were us when we were kids and we were exposed
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Speaker 1: to something that was more kind of an adult content.
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Speaker 1: Now these publishers and these media companies are starting to
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Speaker 1: advertise and make games specifically for kids. Yeah, and I
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Speaker 1: find that interesting. And we don't really have a ton
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Speaker 1: of data or studies on it to show whether or
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Speaker 1: not it's a good thing or a bad thing. And
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Speaker 1: there's some kind of interesting theories about how it could
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Speaker 1: potentially be a good thing, but we wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about it and give some examples of it.
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Speaker 2: I feel like too. Like when you think about it,
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Speaker 2: like there was something about the I look old enough
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Speaker 2: to get into like a PG thirteen movie, or I
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Speaker 2: got into a rated R movie because I was with
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Speaker 2: like an adult right, or I got this rated I
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Speaker 2: am for ature game because my parents were with me.
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Speaker 2: But like, yeah, like to your point, it seems like
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Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff is just more readily available,
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Speaker 2: and like you said, geared towards kids, Like there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of even on TikTok. I've had to do like
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Speaker 2: the not interested button on any type of like creepy
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Speaker 2: stuff that comes on like I do not no, thank you,
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Speaker 2: I'd be watching at night. I'm like, no, I'm not
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Speaker 2: watching this shit.
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Speaker 1: I love the visual that you're giving me too, because
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Speaker 1: like you know, Eddie's big football player.
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't think and it's just like not interested. So
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Speaker 2: a lot of.
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Speaker 1: These games are made to be twelve years in older.
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Speaker 1: Even a lot of the most common horror games for
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Speaker 1: kids say that they're twelve years and older. But in
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Speaker 1: my experience, a lot of kids are playing them and
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Speaker 1: a lot of parents don't know they're supposed to be
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Speaker 1: twelve years and older, and a lot of kids just
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Speaker 1: have free access to their tablets and can download whatever
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Speaker 1: the heck they want, so their friends get recommend it
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Speaker 1: and they start downloading it and playing it themselves. So
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Speaker 1: the first one, and this is probably the most popular
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Speaker 1: game that I want to talk about it is called
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Speaker 1: Five Nights at Freddy's, where the kids call it FNAFF
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Speaker 1: for short. Yeah, for five Nights at Freddy's. There are
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Speaker 1: a total of ten games right now and a movie
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Speaker 1: that came out last year starring the illustrious Josh Hutchison.
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Speaker 1: The goal of the game is to survive from midnight
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Speaker 1: to six ams for five nights in a row, hence
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Speaker 1: Five Nights at Freddy's. The main threat is homicidal animatronic characters,
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Speaker 1: so it's essentially like a deranged Chuck e Cheese and
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Speaker 1: so these animatronics are coming to life and trying to
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Speaker 1: kill people. There's lots of lore around Five Nights at
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Speaker 1: Freddie's that stems from a fictional pizza place called Freddie
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Speaker 1: faz Bear's Pizza. I've had kids come into my office
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Speaker 1: and straight tell me the lore for like twenty thirty
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Speaker 1: minutes on this stuff. It's deep. Gameplay typically involves using
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Speaker 1: tools and managing limited resources to avoid being caught by
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Speaker 1: these animatronics so you can survive and make it through.
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Speaker 2: No, thank you, Ye absolutely not not Eddie's cup of Tea.
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Speaker 2: I have seen like on like Twitch or kick right,
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Speaker 2: like the streaming platforms where people will stream themselves playing games.
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Speaker 2: Like you'll see people who are like streaming themselves playing
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Speaker 2: games like this and like trying not to scream or
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Speaker 2: like try not to get like scared. But yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: thank you. The next one is called Poppies Playtime. You know,
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Speaker 2: I'm not really familiar with these as someone who still
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Speaker 2: plays video games. I'm more like into like the sports
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Speaker 2: ones like mad in college football. But Poppy's Playtime is
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Speaker 2: the next one, so it's published in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of similar. It's a survival horror game. The
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Speaker 2: main plot is that a main character is a retired
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Speaker 2: employee who was invited back to an abandoned factory, which
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Speaker 2: is already a no for me. The game revolves around
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Speaker 2: solving puzzles and using gadgets to get out of the factory.
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Speaker 2: Reports in the UK of kids recreating the game on
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Speaker 2: a playground, particularly a character named Huggy Wuggy who hugs
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Speaker 2: people and whispers sinister things in their ears. Apparently Huggy
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Speaker 2: Wuggy likes to sing songs about hugging and killing, which
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Speaker 2: it sounds terrifying. Who doesn't, right, Yeah, And because many
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Speaker 2: of the characters have soft sounding names like Huggy Wuggy,
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Speaker 2: they often slip through parental controls. And according to sky News,
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Speaker 2: there was a report of a three year old trying
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Speaker 2: to jump out of a window because he got to
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Speaker 2: the stage where he didn't know the difference between reality
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Speaker 2: and gaming. He tried to climb up my bedroom window,
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Speaker 2: saying he would die and come back to life. Tell
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Speaker 2: me that's what Huggy Wuggy does. Definitely, when you have
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Speaker 2: more mature content and things in the games, and these
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Speaker 2: kids are just kind of like being exposed to it
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Speaker 2: over and over again, it's hard for them to decipher
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Speaker 2: reality from like what can actually happen and what can't right, Like,
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Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's super scary, no, thank you.
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Speaker 1: There are some other really popular horror games out there.
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Speaker 1: A couple of the two other big ones are like
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Speaker 1: Hello Neighbor, and I really like this next one called
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Speaker 1: Spooky's Jump Scare Mansion that's pretty on the nose in
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Speaker 1: terms of a title for a game. Oh no, but
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Speaker 1: these a lot of these games. The biggest horror aspect
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Speaker 1: are jump scares. And you know, I've even had six
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Speaker 1: year old kids in my office being like talking about
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Speaker 1: jump scares, and I'm like, man, how do you know
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Speaker 1: about all this stuff already? It's because they're playing a
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Speaker 1: lot of these games.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever play the Resident Evil franchise back in
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Speaker 2: the day? Oh yeah, yeah. It's really making me think
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Speaker 2: of like back in the day on the GameCube. My
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Speaker 2: cousin and I, I think it was like Resident before
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Speaker 2: or something like, we played it together. But it had
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Speaker 2: to be together because I was not playing that shit
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Speaker 2: by myself because it was way too scared. Even you
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Speaker 2: know Call Duty and the Zombies right every like Black
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Speaker 2: Ops version, there's the Zombies game mode. Even that, I
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Speaker 2: will never play Zombies by myself. I gotta play with
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Speaker 2: somebody else. Hell though, so.
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Speaker 1: What is going on in the brain with horror? And
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Speaker 1: we got a lot of this information from the scientists
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Speaker 1: dot com. So they actually did a study in which
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Speaker 1: they did a functional MRI, which allows us to see
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Speaker 1: which areas of the brain are actually activating. So you
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Speaker 1: can watch a horror movie while in an MRI machine,
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Speaker 1: and it'll show you what areas of the brain are
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Speaker 1: lighting up. And horror scenes activate multiple areas of the brain,
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Speaker 1: including the anterior cingulate cortex, the thall us, the visual
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Speaker 1: processing areas, and most importantly, the amygdala, which is your
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Speaker 1: fear and emotion center of the brain. The more the
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Speaker 1: amygdala is activated, the more fear is experienced by that person.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's pretty fascinating that an art form
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Speaker 1: is capable of causing such strong emotions and a genuine
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Speaker 1: fear reaction in the brain, not.
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Speaker 2: Only in your brain, but like the physical sensations that
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Speaker 2: come from again fucking spooked. Yeah. Yeah, So horror movies
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Speaker 2: have been shown to trigger anxiety and cause the services
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Speaker 2: of sleep. Yeah. That was the other thing is that
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Speaker 2: I like, I feel like I'm not gonna be able
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Speaker 2: to sleep, even if I know it's not real. I
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Speaker 2: think the most recent like horror movie I've ever I've
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Speaker 2: seen is one of like the Annabel series, and.
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Speaker 1: I was not like, no creepy dolls, right right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't say that too loud.
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Speaker 2: You might be listening. Okay, so we know about the
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Speaker 2: what about the body, right horror movies can cause shivering,
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Speaker 2: you can get startled, screaming, yes, and an increased heart rate.
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Speaker 2: These symptoms are from the activation of the sympathetic nervous system,
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Speaker 2: which is the fight or flight response. And yeah, I
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Speaker 2: can picture right now when I watch Blade by myself
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Speaker 2: and I saw that scary ass scene and just like
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Speaker 2: immediately like heart racing, holy shit, like I gotta I
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Speaker 2: gotta move, and like jumping out of the seat because
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Speaker 2: I was scared and I thought I was in danger.
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Speaker 1: And that's a lot a lot of people have that
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Speaker 1: same response too. It's it's not it's not just you,
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Speaker 1: And so fear is typically seen as kind of a
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Speaker 1: bad thing. So I'm fascinated why some people love horror
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Speaker 1: movies and seek it out. We know Eddie's not that guy,
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Speaker 1: but I've got, you know, other friends who love horror
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Speaker 1: and analyze it, watch a ton of horror movies that
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Speaker 1: that that's it's their thing. Why why are people so different?
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Speaker 1: Some people love it, some people hate it, some people
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Speaker 1: avoid it. So I was kind of thinking that that
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Speaker 1: watching horror is kind of a form of play, a
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Speaker 1: form of practicing almost It helps us be able to
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Speaker 1: process our fears in the moment, conquer it and handle
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Speaker 1: it better in the future, especially if it comes up
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Speaker 1: in real life and after researching it a little bit.
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Speaker 1: There's actually a name for this, called benign masochism theory.
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Speaker 1: So horror movies help prepare us for difficult situations in
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Speaker 1: the future. Some personality types specifically are drawn towards horror
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Speaker 1: because it provides a sense of thrill and excitement, so
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Speaker 1: high sensation seekers with low empathy tend to like horror
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Speaker 1: movies more so people who seek out certain experiences that
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Speaker 1: get them feeling something. Plus, people with low empathy and
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Speaker 1: horror movies are also associated with the personality traits of
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Speaker 1: sadism or try or people who like to hurt other people, psychopathy, narcissism,
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Speaker 1: and machavellianism.
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Speaker 2: That low empathy part of Like someone who like is
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Speaker 2: into it. I feel like that's what fucks me up
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Speaker 2: with movies too. I'm not trying to say I have
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Speaker 2: all this empathy, but I have a hard time when
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Speaker 2: like sad things happen in movies, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: watch it. Like what I know is like the typical,
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Speaker 2: like two friends in a movie and then they get
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Speaker 2: upset with each other and then they're not friends, and
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Speaker 2: then I'm just like sad until they're friends. I'm just
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Speaker 2: not built for this, man, I just can't.
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Speaker 1: You're not You're just like you're too empathetic because it
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Speaker 1: sounds like you feel what they're going through and you think, like,
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Speaker 1: that's awful. I would never want to go through such
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Speaker 1: a thing. But my buddy who's super into horror, when
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Speaker 1: he's watching a horror movie, he's like, oh, that's an
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Speaker 1: awesome kill. Oh that guy died in a way that
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Speaker 1: his character like. He's very logical about breaking down horror.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, other people are more like emotional and empathetic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah no, thank you. Well, okay, so we're looking at movies, right,
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Speaker 2: and we're talking about the impacts that like movies can
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Speaker 2: have on you, like specifically horror. We've talked a little
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Speaker 2: bit about video games and like the horror video games specifically,
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Speaker 2: but like, what about like violent video games? Right? This
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Speaker 2: used to be a really big issue back in the day,
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Speaker 2: especially when like Grand Theft Auto came out of like
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Speaker 2: people claiming that like violent video games made people violent.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know if anyone ever gave me an answer.
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Speaker 2: So what do you think?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the same thing too, like yeah, here
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Speaker 1: in this a ton growing up, But I never really
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Speaker 1: got any definitive answers. So the short answer is yes.
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Speaker 1: We looked at a few different meta analyzes, which I
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Speaker 1: know we've mentioned on the show a bazillion times before
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Speaker 1: is a study of studies, so they conglomerate multi studies
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Speaker 1: into one, and multiple meta analyzes have shown that, yes,
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Speaker 1: there is an association between playing violent video games and
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Speaker 1: being violent yourself. The most recent one was from Burkhardt
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Speaker 1: and Lenhart twenty twenty one and the Journal of Media Psychology,
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Speaker 1: which looked at twenty one separate studies. There was about fifteen,
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Speaker 1: eight hundred and thirty six people included in the study
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Speaker 1: as a whole, and they showed a mild effect size
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Speaker 1: indicating violent video games increases physically aggressive behavior. So it's
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Speaker 1: not like huge, it's not like, oh my gosh, you
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Speaker 1: play violent video games and you're going to be violent.
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Speaker 1: But that's actually probably about a similar effects size to
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Speaker 1: like how effective antidepressants are in treating depression of mild
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Speaker 1: effects size.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just remember like when grandt like Grand Theft,
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Speaker 2: Auto Vice City was exactly like ever Play. Just remembering
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Speaker 2: that like like my parents were with me when I
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Speaker 2: rent it from Blockbuster. What I throw back, and I
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Speaker 2: should remember playing the game and just at some point
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Speaker 2: being like I probably should not be playing this. I
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Speaker 2: gotta make sure nobody sees me playing this. This is terrible.
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Speaker 2: It's just like I'm I'm like running people over and
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Speaker 2: shit like it was yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, beating up sex workers taking their money, Like you
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Speaker 1: could do anything you wanted in that game.
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Speaker 2: I mean you still can in the newer ones, Like
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Speaker 2: it's yeah, yeah, that that stuff is wild.
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Speaker 1: Another thing we like to talk about is celebrities and
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Speaker 1: all my entertainment needs, So thank you Yahoo Yahoo talking
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Speaker 1: about some celebrities and in their favorite horror movies. And
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Speaker 1: I thought this was kind of interesting too, because they're
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Speaker 1: not always necessarily ones that you would think of. So
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Speaker 1: first on the list is seth Rogen, the actor, and
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Speaker 1: his favorite horror movie was the nineteen eighty version of
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Speaker 1: the Thing.
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Speaker 2: What was the Thing? It was?
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Speaker 1: The movie about that Thing? This was Kurt Russell. It
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Speaker 1: was either eighty six or eighty eight, eighty two, Oh
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Speaker 1: it was way off eighty two. Yeah, he's like in
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Speaker 1: the Arctic and they come across this thing and it
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Speaker 1: can like change shape to look like anything, so that
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Speaker 1: they're not sure who's the thing, who's not the thing.
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Speaker 1: It could even like imitate dogs and other things. Pretty creepy.
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Speaker 1: John Carpenter movie, I believe, who also directed Halloween?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, man, how do people know this shit?
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Speaker 1: I just have a stupid brain for that kind of
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Speaker 1: stuff movies for some reason.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on the Wikipedia page. You got it all right.
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Speaker 2: Other than the date though, who did the cinematography? Oh?
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Speaker 1: You know, I have no clue that one.
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Speaker 2: Dean Kundy.
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Speaker 1: Oh, good for him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a great job.
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Speaker 1: Dean, My boy, keep it up.
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Speaker 2: What else did the article have? We have Charlie Day
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Speaker 2: and the Shining. Who's Charlie Dayan? Who's the Shine? I
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Speaker 2: think I'm familiar with the Shining? Is that the one
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Speaker 2: with the twins they're on like the little bikes or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Come play with us.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't what's his face in that movie?
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Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson?
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Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson, Oh, Charlie Day, Yeah, I'm familiar with this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. He's
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Speaker 1: been actually a pretty big actor. Yeah, And Shelley Duval
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Speaker 1: is in The Shining. We actually live really close to
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Speaker 1: Estes Park in the Stanley Hotel where Stephen King was
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Speaker 1: inspired to write The Shining, and so we still go
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Speaker 1: out there every once.
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Speaker 2: In a while.
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Speaker 1: And actually just watched The Shining a couple of months ago,
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Speaker 1: and it's so good. Stanley Kubrick directed, one of the
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Speaker 1: greatest directors and Jack Nicholson just what a performance.
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Speaker 2: Love that you see? So yeah, Jack Jack Nicholson one
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Speaker 2: flew over the Cuckoo's Nest.
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Speaker 1: Yeah he's done.
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Speaker 2: Bam. Was good.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got it. And then up next we
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Speaker 1: have Jordan Peel, who this article actually came out in
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Speaker 1: like twenty sixteen, and since then he's become one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest horror directors in the world. Yeah, with movies
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Speaker 1: like Get Out Us.
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Speaker 2: What was the I never saw the newest one. There's
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Speaker 2: one one here called Monkey Man, but I don't think
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Speaker 2: that's the one that's what pulled.
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Speaker 1: Up Yeah, nope, nope, Yeah, that's the one I was
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Speaker 1: thinking of two Uh huh that it was pretty good.
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Speaker 1: I like that one. Yeah, I haven't seen it, but
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Speaker 1: Us was weird.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, uh us was like, yeah, it was interesting.
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Speaker 2: And now I'm wondering, like, why the hell did monkey
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Speaker 2: Man come up with Geordan Peel? But I see it
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Speaker 2: right here. He is one of the producers for it.
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Speaker 2: That's why.
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Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense, the producer but didn't direct it. Yeah, So,
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Speaker 1: what would you say, is the scariest movie you've ever seen?
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Speaker 2: Probably one of those ones, the Annabel ones or see
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Speaker 2: this one wasn't that scary, but it was like it
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Speaker 2: was a horror movie and there was a jump scare
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Speaker 2: at the very end of it. I can't even remember
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Speaker 2: it was a called, but it was this like a
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Speaker 2: horror movie that we, like, I think was what I
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Speaker 2: was living with Ryan and Colby and so stupid. I
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Speaker 2: think Mari was there too. We got this movie from
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Speaker 2: like red Box, I think, and it was like these
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Speaker 2: people went to like the Japanese suicide forest and then
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Speaker 2: like and they like, I don't even know it, just
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Speaker 2: stuff happened. People died and it wasn't like crazy, but
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Speaker 2: like at the end there was a jump scare and
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Speaker 2: that fucked me up a little bit. But probably one
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Speaker 2: of the animel movies. Yeah, whichever one I saw. I
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Speaker 2: don't even.
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Speaker 1: Know how many are there out there right now.
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Speaker 2: Too many, I'll tell you that, too many Fords. What
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Speaker 2: about you? Do you have a Do you have a
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Speaker 2: like a really scared me a movie?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Blair Witch Project. Like when I first watched it,
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty afraid of getting lost in the woods. So
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Speaker 1: that was a combination of creepy and getting lost in
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Speaker 1: the woods. And I even I remember watching it. I
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Speaker 1: think it was my senior year of college or something,
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Speaker 1: and i'd been a while since i'd actually seen it,
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Speaker 1: and I remember like really getting wigged out and being like,
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Speaker 1: oh crap, I don't like this feel like, because usually
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Speaker 1: I can get my frontal lobe to activate and be
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Speaker 1: like I'm in a movie. I'm totally safe, I'm totally calm,
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Speaker 1: I can keep myself cool. But for some reason that
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Speaker 1: time I was watching that again, I was like, God,
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Speaker 1: I would hate to get lost in the woods. This
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Speaker 1: would sucks so bad.
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Speaker 2: Well, that was like the whole thing with the paranormal
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Speaker 2: activity movies, right, they like they felt like it felt
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Speaker 2: like you're watching like a real life They've confirmed that
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Speaker 2: it's not real life.
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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, found footage film or films or what those
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Speaker 1: are called.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like yeah, those kinds of movies like really
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Speaker 2: get you when you're like, oh shit, like I'm I
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Speaker 2: feel like this is real. That's what's scary. Yeah, sure
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Speaker 2: can be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah on kind of the last note on this episode
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Speaker 1: is I was curious because it seems like these are
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Speaker 1: getting a lot of popularity. The horror games for kids
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Speaker 1: kind of the main topic of the episode, and I
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Speaker 1: couldn't really find any specific recommendations from the American Pediatric Association,
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Speaker 1: the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatrists. I think
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Speaker 1: this is still such a new thing and it hasn't
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Speaker 1: really blown up into anything worse or anything right now,
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Speaker 1: so there's not really a lot of general recommendations from
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Speaker 1: medical societies, just kind of blanket statements to avoid violent
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Speaker 1: video games and media.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, thanks for having me relive some of my
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Speaker 2: most pivotal moments growing up in terms of being scared.
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