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Suzy Bogguss on pioneering the indie path, the quality of community, and disgusting freezers. · The Other 22 Hours

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were sharing a dressing room at the CMA award, and my tour manager forgot to come and get me out of the audience to change my clothes for my number that I was performing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, hey, y'all, because I had to change everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Down to the pantyhose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't get me out until it went to commercial break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just realized, and I had on a long dress that had to split all the way up the front.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did he get fired?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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[SPEAKER_03]: We often define artists by their output, their records, books, movies, and the times they're on stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the art is made in the quiet, the struggle and the mundane, the hours that no one sees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Michaela Ann.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Erin Crayford Hayes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the other 22 hours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: An exploration of the creative life lived in between.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Today we're featuring our conversation with Grammy winning platinum selling singer and songwriter Susie Bogas, who after 12 years on major labels went the way of starting her own label and going completely independent in 2004 long before that was even a thing that people were doing and who 40 plus years into her career just this past January was inducted as a member of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Susie has had such an incredible career and played with everyone from Allison Kraus, Kraus, we still isn't Nash, Kathy Mateja, Chet Adkins, Trisha Yearwood, the list goes on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this conversation really focuses if we could name one theme, quality over quantity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She talks a lot about the value of community as well as the absolute vital need to nurture that connection and love with your fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really beautiful conversation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's our chat with Susie Baguess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We like to start with a not just the nice city, but the real how are you today?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And where are you physically and creatively?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I am at home today and I'm coming off of about four months of just chaos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I, at the last two weeks, I've been here just, you know, we had a big ice storm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I came home after being down at Florida for two weeks at Christian Peter's house with Barry Walsh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And was down there writing with those guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we came home, our power had been out for 11 days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the day that I got into the house because the first day we got,
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[SPEAKER_02]: back we still didn't have power.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we stay now till the next day I was to start one of the performance classes that I teach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So first I cleaned out the refrigerator and freezer and it was a disgusting job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me just tell you, and then after getting rid of all that nasty stuff and trying to somehow sanitize my refrigerator, I went to a dinner with my new students and met the 12 people that I was going to be working with for the next three days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so it was the, it's just kind of been a little nutty because I've just jumped from one thing to another.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew that I had sort of a busy season because I did a Christmas tour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hosted my family here at my house after my Christmas tour ended on the 20th and had them for Christmas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I knew that I was leaving directly after that to go to steamboat Springs to do a music fest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in October, I got surprised with,
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[SPEAKER_02]: be honor of being inducted into the the Grandal Opera as a member.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so a lot of preparation goes into that and I actually had 39 cousins come in to town.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of I had all of my
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the day after the induction at an over 200 people that were friends and family and long-time fans came to a party that was given after the offering at the offering.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the next day I hosted 70 people at my house, where I cooked giant big pot of soup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it got
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[SPEAKER_02]: catered a bunch of other stuff, but that was with my cousins and my roommates and old bandmates and that sort of thing at the house.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The next day I got to go with being with my roommates for a while, which is great, because we just took a where we left off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah, and then
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[SPEAKER_02]: We had one day to pack and left with all of our recording and equipment and drove down to Florida for two weeks, to be with the trace of Berrigan, Jeff Hannah, Berrigan, and Gretchen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it had been crazy and I was really looking forward to just getting down there and chilling out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were going to write some songs and records them, which we did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the two little factor was not good because after the third day we were there, the ice storm hit and all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: leading up to it was kind of intense too because we'd left our house alone and it was pretty heavy and then while we were down there every single one of us had some kind of water issue in house and either neighbors or friends were checking into what was going on at our houses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was not as immersive as I wanted it to be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was
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[SPEAKER_02]: looking forward to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never in my life had two old weeks with really good friends that were also people that I collaborate with and know really intensely to just like really try to work on a project like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I had been really, really anticipating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: just the whole immersion of being in that, which we still just had the best time in the white world that we didn't get as much project then as we would like to get four songs and not complain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that writing that you guys plan to do in recording is for like a specific project or is it like let's just write and see what happens and what happens with the songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was exactly it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The idea was, no pressure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All they let's just do this for fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a lot of the time that we spent down there, we cooked for each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody took a turn of doing something cooking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's out for Jeff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not really a cook kind of guy, but he's great clean up dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's very entertaining.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it has value in other ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what an insane crew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an insane talented, really intelligent group that I, you know, we were applaud during the COVID times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we had worked out all these ways to get together where we were outside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: We made it so that we had something going on like either a zoom call or an outdoor gathering even if it was winter and we had to go to somebody's house and we had an outdoor fire.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever we could do to just stay sane during that time because there was so much because not knowing, you know, just not knowing what was going on in what our
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[SPEAKER_02]: path was going to be with our careers if, you know, we had to postpone so many gigs and everybody, everybody went through that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know everybody in our business went through that wondering, I'm sure my booking agent was probably going, holy, what do I do now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I do bookings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not making any money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so for everybody, it was kind of a crazy time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: just for the audience who's not maybe not aware of who we were talking about, but that you're with Matrice Burg, who's legendary award-winning songwriter wrote hits like Strawberry Wine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her husband Jeff Hannah, who's a nitty-gritty dirt band, like, founding member.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, founding member.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gretchen Peters, who has been on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just like a room, a household legends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And very, very,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he has played with every amazing artist, you know, I can play many different styles, everything from, you know, like four tops to Whalen Jennings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys, I would assume, like, how far back does your all of your as his relationships?
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[SPEAKER_01]: go and like creatively have you guys has it been mostly personal professional with that intermingling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I started writing with the Tracer and Gretchen probably in 91, so it's like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we'd been aware of each other before that, but really didn't have a catalyst for a friendship yet until we started writing together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, you know, Jeff was a big part of my before I came to Nashville.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know him, but when I worked in the ski resorts for about five years before I moved to Nashville, I always played the native good and dirt band on my breaks, you know, so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a pretty weird thing for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the first time I went to matrace the house to write and all of a sudden Jeff Hanna pop because he had in the door and I was just, I mean, they were just going together at that time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't married yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh,
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[SPEAKER_02]: just remember going, oh my god, that was Jeff Hanna.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of a sudden my Midwestern accent came out of the goal for, for Pete's sake, wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and you know, it was, it was a process of getting didn't know it's on because I have a very different personality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: then Matrice or then Gretting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we together, now we understand each other so much and we know each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think originally, Matrice, I used to have such a thing thinking that I was like, this is so nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get a nice girlfriend in the Midwest, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And eventually, she realized that I'm just rotten, which now, she really appreciates that side of me because I am totally rotten.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I embarrassed them constantly, you know, we ended up doing three different tours in the UK together as a group called wine women and song and it's tour, you know, got a little bit longer and look at more in depth and we played some wonderful things including glass and very
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[SPEAKER_02]: And every time, you know, we got closer as friends and really understood each other and really got good at being around each other and knowing when it was time to walk away or to, you know, just take a break from something because, you know, we're just different people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, each one of us though has a little bit of an extrovert and a little bit of introvert and, unfortunately, I have much more of the extrovert than nature.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know when I'm on their nurse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that, you know, I was like the little puppy dog that's going Hey guys, do you want to do something?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's sometimes my dynamic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't quite know when to a turn it off sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's changed now that the exhaustion of parenthood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have two young children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was on tour last year, six months pregnant and my girlfriend that I brought to play keys and guitar with me, like at the end of the night I'd be so amped up and I'd be like midnight and I'd be like, let's go, let's go dancing and she was like, you're six months pregnant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need quiet time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, you need to go to bed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, oh gosh, I know what it feels like, you know, it's like, you're out there, there's no drinking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're, you know, like, and you feel good at that point, you know, you're like, got extra energy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got them prenatal vitamins in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just the adrenaline from a show and I get energy from talking to people so I would sell my own merch And I would feel so energized afterwards and she would be like you're gonna be throwing up in the morning because I threw up my entire pregnancy
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I highly, you know, one of the things we talk a lot about on this podcast is the value of community, especially in an industry that can feel especially among women that can breed competition, and how important it is to really have relationships with our professional peers that then turn into real friendships.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's just extraordinary that you guys have been friends and
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, now I have a new group of people that I've been getting to know better, people that were like really strong peers of mine during that time when we really were kind of pivot against each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that it was a malicious kind of thing, but the labels could not help but want to keep us from being too close because there were times
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were singles coming out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were going to come out and be on top of somebody's or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now I've got another group of gals and oddly, the recolour sells national girls, because it's Terry Clark, who cut a song called National Girls That Gretchen and Matrice a wrote.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's just as a couple circles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like Riva and Trisha and Terry and Pam Tila, we had all kind of been touring together and now Kathy Mattei, I worked with her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been friends with Kathy, like sisters for 30, some years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this new group, we just brought Wyneona in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really just been like kind of, there's so many great stories.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes we get bitter and mean and it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes we cry and you know have actual breakdowns about some of the things that we tend to sacrifice in the business, you know, it's like they it's not always an easy decision to make to tour and you know, especially when you got kids and lots of
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[SPEAKER_02]: just the hard decisions, you know, and and I think it's really good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been good for all of us when something great happens to one of us to just have a little text thread that says, I just saw this and that's so cool that that happened for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's something about having your cheerleader friends pat you on the back for whatever accomplishment or just knowing something that is hard that you just had to hustle through and have them just go, you're my hero you know, that's that's a really great
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[SPEAKER_02]: healing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so many of us during that late 80s, early 90s, time period, you know, we just didn't have time to even have friendships because we were out on separate tours and it was pretty unheard of for a girl to tour with another girl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we were mostly out there with the dudes and that's why most of us talk like sailors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the killer and good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's hard when your mom is like you had to like really like temperate and I noticed that once my son turned about 15 that it was okay for me to bring it back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We we haven't tempered it in our four-year-old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We take we've taken the course to just be like these are adult words.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you use them in public, you might offend somebody, somebody might get upset, you might get in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I definitely am like, oh, no, when I hear her because she'll use it sometimes and we remind her we're not just like it's not a free for all, but we're just like, hey, Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not, you know, you know, that's a grown-up word, but she will use it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, she's totally parody me because she'll be like, Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she looked at her, her baby brother who was like four months at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like both in the car waiting to go somewhere, and she goes, ah, it's fucking hot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, Henry?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, you know, my mind was the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like I didn't even let him watch rubrats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't want him to be mean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They want him to be a mean kid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I can remember him being about two or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably even younger than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he started talking to me and months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, believe me, this boy can talk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, so he's like really young.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it happened, but he just isn't the dinner table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just out of the blue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, you say dammit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know say dammit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bobby?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I say dammit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know say dammit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we read one of the first run before we started wine women and song, which was scratching of a tricinized little band that we took the UK.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We went over to just do Celtic nexons over there, and Ben was 11 at the time, and I took him and Barry and Jeff went, because my husband that was working for Yamaha at the time, so he didn't go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ben came because I'm a steward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My mom was a steward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to take him to and borrow to the castle and do all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're gone for like eight days or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're back in the airport into Congo and we, you know, we're waiting for our next plane or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's like, oh, Ben, we're going to really miss being with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of fun and you long ago and everything and he looks great to be going to get you sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She said, yeah, I do, because she was like that with James, I think, she's very open, and I played the Midwestern Donnery, Mommy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I've looked everything to be perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he turned out perfect, but absolutely wonderfully unrefined.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Perfectly imperfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, just a quick pause from this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for being here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get back to our conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well I mean there's so many things I'd love to talk to you about but I'm so curious about especially the women also that you just mentioned and your other text group is like to me as a someone who grew up as a child of the 90s like you guys are the royalty of pop country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in recent years, women and country music has been such a hot button topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really curious to hear from your perspective what it was like to be really on the inside of that and kind of in the heyday of when there were so many women getting played.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even as you mentioned, like maybe there was pity against each other, but there were so many women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the last 10 plus years, it's been like what there's maybe allowed to be one or two on the charts of, you know, a hundred dudes isn't that just so wild.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's mind boggling that it stepped back in time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just didn't make any sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, honestly, I thought the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of all those ladies and Lori Morgan and I mean just so many other artists that were out there at the same time patty loveless I mean and patty and faith and I got to do a few dates together very tape and carpenter and Kathy and I got to do a few dates together but it was very rare that we would get to actually work together and I did a tour at a different tour the UK and it was
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[SPEAKER_02]: And back when I found out her rise in the ward, and it was 1992, and the labels had pitted Trisha and I against each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And their camp was doing a book about Trisha and her rise, and that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I came out as this awful, horrible person that was really mean to her in this book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I believed that she thought that was the case, but she didn't write it, she didn't write that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact was, is it came from an incident where we were sharing a dressing room at the CMA ward that's same night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And my tour manager forgot to come and get me out of the audience to change my clothes for my number that I was performing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was pay off because I had to change everything down to the panty hose and I had lace up boots I had a belt different underwear everything and he didn't get me out until it went to commercial break I just realized and I had on a long dress that has to it all the way up the front.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to he get fired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will see I've just freaked out and so I went into the dressing room and I was just beaten and just screaming in the angry and mucking this and all that, you know, like angry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that this person was in that room when they saw me doing that and didn't have a clear what was going on for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had to run out there and do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if I would have had to do outbound plane in that long, they wouldn't have been ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I, you know, pulled it off at the last second.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, right before I had to jump on stage, I had to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: slapped my hand on my head and just got out there and did it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, when we did this little run in the UK, Allison and Trisha and I started dressing room and I expressed that to her that I felt like somehow it had gotten to her that I didn't love what she does because I am such
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we ended up working up a tune for the last program that we did, and we picked one of the trio songs we did farther along together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then they came back to the States and saying on my next album.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, there's some things that just have to work out through time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and the history might not actually be reality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were also times, every time when I would be trying to hire somebody to promote a record as a single or something aside from my record label.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it would say, oh, I can't take you because I have a petty level of record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like, but you got eight guys that you're working on right now.
23:17
[SPEAKER_02]: So what is the difference?
23:18
[SPEAKER_02]: You can only do one girl.
23:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And that I think is what happens.
23:22
[SPEAKER_02]: to this day is that they still don't want to believe that women can have an audience.
23:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And we do.
23:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're really loyal.
23:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of great in a way because now that so many of us have become friends and it's obvious we have crossover fans too.
23:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's a beautiful thing.
23:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It really helps everybody because, you know, we're not all touring at the same time.
23:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, when I went out with Hammond Terry for a while, kind of, I mean, it was the best time in the whole wide world.
23:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the mornings, Pam Till is entertaining us with the her funny stories of all of the many years.
24:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was seven years old.
24:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the music business, you know.
24:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And at nighttime, you know, her dance and around, like a little old man in her bunny pajamas, you know, if you ever follow her at a Lori Morgan out on the road, you will see some of the funny and stop because they just
24:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Just have fun, I mean, that's the thing, and Terry, of course, we would just laugh at her because like, Pam and I would still be scooping up everything in our dressing room, you know, like, just have a close bomb go off in there, so as we got there, and Terry would, you know, like, dress on the bus, come in, do the main grade, by the time we collected all our crap, Stuart would be on the bus, make up off inner pajamas, and we come on the bus, since you
24:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he'd be like, God, you know, we just got in here, you know, with all our crap.
25:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'd say that, you know, is because she gets to wear a hat, she didn't have to do her hair, but she still gets her hair.
25:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Even even when she's wearing a hat, I was like, crap.
25:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so, it has never made sense to me like people have blatantly said to me like journalists and radio people like oh I loved your record I wanted to review it, but I just reviewed so-and-so, so I'm like what does that have to do with anything?
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it have to do with anything?
25:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It's said with like a of course you understand I can't review two women back to back
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't get it because I'm like as a fan who is a woman, it doesn't like divide my love for the musicians I love and I love so many women musicians.
25:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't make sense, but I'm curious as the years have progressed.
25:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I know like you were on Capitol for about 10 years or so and then you signed an indie label and then you started your
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: own label early on 2001, if I'm correct.
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's about right.
26:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's often a progression I see with people, and I'm especially in the place I'm at in my life and career, and some of my peers of like, I'm more in the Americana world.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We've not had like big, you know, mainstream success, but we've, well, a bunch of us have like signed indie deals, gone through that route.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of honestly seen like behind the curtain of the pros and cons of that, and then coming
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: actually okay, I don't know if I want to play that game and see the negatives of that and now doing things our own way independently coming to terms with like our careers might be smaller than we had envisioned but how incredible that might still be and it's all a scale right so even if you go from selling 20,000 tickets to 5,000 that still feels like a step back
26:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you talk about what that process has been like for you and also like understanding all the things that are outside of our control like deeply in green sexism?
27:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Will.
27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one thing, I mean, you just really have to know that things were changing really rapidly, even at the end of my career, and it was obvious that things were going to be changing and that the record levels were not going to have as much of a catapulting kind of thing.
27:24
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when I came in, we had developmental deals.
27:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was easy to fall into the abyss.
27:31
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was easy to have one thing that kind of worked and then the next thing didn't work.
27:38
[SPEAKER_02]: And if the next thing after that didn't work, then it was just you're over, you know, when I was on Capitol, I was actually on Capitol for 12 years.
27:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was singles at a time before I did an album.
27:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd been on label for two and a half years for a time.
27:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to do an album.
27:53
[SPEAKER_02]: that stuff was changing rapidly.
27:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm lucky because my husband's a techie in a computer dude and he saw all the stuff going on and then capital had changed CEOs ahead of label four times from the time that I got signed.
28:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the fourth guy, I was just like, I cut my hair, I did everything
28:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Last week did everything, but there was no new approval that was going to work with somebody who it wasn't a music guy who came from marketing and so he didn't really get me and so I kind of knew I was on the way out at that point and like I say, that was really good.
28:39
[SPEAKER_02]: at saying, you know, stuff is changing really fast.
28:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it wasn't an easy thing because you do have to go from doing pretty well.
28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: But as my career was already waning, it wasn't like I was getting the major tours and that kind of thing.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I was, you know, scurrying her dates, you know, I would call my agent.
29:01
[SPEAKER_02]: at CAA and I'd go, you know, I even went from the top dog at CAA to the kind of a new week I would go and I'd go my calendar looks like a blizzard.
29:11
[SPEAKER_02]: There'd be some writing in there of places that I'm going and you know, so yeah, so I kind of like, I could be writing.
29:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a new
29:21
[SPEAKER_02]: kid, you know, a young kid, and he was getting ready to start kindergarten like a new year later, and I was thinking about how nice it would be to go to school and put out shapes and together, pipe cleaners, stuff, and you know, bring cupcakes, do that whole thing, because I, you know, I am Susie Omaker, and you know, I came up in the camera truck going out
29:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I always felt like no matter what, I'm still going to get to play enough that I'm going to feed my soul and get to do what I need to do as far as connecting with people with my music.
30:03
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the things that I'm hoping that new younger folks are really appreciating about your freedom.
30:10
[SPEAKER_02]: We were not allowed to sign after the show because the rack dovers wanted people to go to Walmart and buy the CD.
30:18
[SPEAKER_02]: or you know there were a lot of things that kept you from having those relationships with your fans that now with social media and I know that you know there's curses to that as well but there's also a real significant value to one-on-one relationship with your people who
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that back when I did my full project that helped a lot.
30:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I was touring with Gareth and Taylor and doing some like arts here kind of places and that's allowed me to play in a lot of smaller theaters and things like that.
30:59
[SPEAKER_02]: But then COVID, you know, it was like we all needed each other and I needed those people.
31:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was 30 some years I've been hearing this, you know, I needed something to keep me going.
31:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep practicing and keep my chops up and when I reached out with my little wind down Wednesday thing, it wasn't clapping but the little hearts, they still, they still gave me happiness.
31:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
31:28
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
31:28
[SPEAKER_02]: little hearts could make you happy, and then eventually, you know, as things started open and out, I'd be able to have a friend over and that six feet away, and we would wear a mask except for when we would sing, and we would sing in one direction, and then, you know, like one thing after another, it started to be a big deal, and I just felt so infigrated by the audience.
31:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if you know this, but also during that time, because we did not know when we were going to get back on the road.
31:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a year and a half.
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: that we were all.
32:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So I also went back to the old school stuff from my folk period in my RV.
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And I created a little kind of my own Patreon kind of.
32:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have a group like all the inner circle and it was bigger initially.
32:19
[SPEAKER_02]: It's dwindled down to like 150 people, but they pay at $10 fee every month and I create new content for them.
32:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I talk to them and zoom meetings.
32:31
[SPEAKER_02]: They get everything first.
32:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't matter how small the group is.
32:38
[SPEAKER_02]: it matters that you have somebody who's rooting for you and encouraging you to continue making your art.
32:44
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like having a patron.
32:47
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like their true patrons to you.
32:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just feel like that's a very valid way.
32:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's been going on since I'm a day old, you know.
32:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
32:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
32:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it's it may become even.
33:01
[SPEAKER_02]: more prevalent and even more necessary as the government is shutting down more public access to music.
33:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I mean, my, what would you recommend for new artists?
33:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would say number one, it's great if you can play an instrument, even if you're not great on it, just so that you can communicate with the musicians that you're playing with that makes it easier if you can speak
33:31
[SPEAKER_02]: cherish those relationship emails are gold and make sure that people keep up with their emails because when they change them and you don't get it back they're gold you need that and we have that ability then to reach out and say I'm going to be playing in your area please come out and tell your friends and it continues to grow your audience and to keep filling it in
34:02
[SPEAKER_02]: You used to be that I could just say to everybody of my husband, is the white hairy guy, just look for him.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you need to talk to some, you know, like if a radio personality was going to be there, it's just looking for the white hairy guy in the bush.
34:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Now everybody, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,
34:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what you're touching on is so important, like the shift from quantity of fans to quality of fans.
34:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's across the board.
34:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I think like, you know, you have obviously social media, you know, it's great that you can connect with your fans, but it's more or less a pay to play a situation where you're controlled by an algorithm that like, you know, you could
34:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the same with all these streaming services, it's like, you know, you hear these horror stories of to use Spotify as an example, these Spotify playlists that used to be king and queen makers, where you get on this playlist and all of a sudden you get all these streams.
35:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the one person that was sitting in whatever co-working space and he's Nashville, putting that playlists together is now an algorithm.
35:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, you know, there's all this talk about a resurgence of pale and all of that.
35:12
[SPEAKER_03]: that it's like emails or king and it's like, you know, I really see that if you can have a quality connection with fans, what they can provide you over the length of a career versus just like, yeah, 8 million people to hear one song and then they never see your name again, it's like,
35:29
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of observed this growing pain in labels, too.
35:32
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know how to shift because it's happening for everybody.
35:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And what I see is whatever geographic location makes up music row now, they write three songs over and over and over again.
35:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's there is nothing to me really inspiring coming out of that factory system anymore.
35:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't chase that, man, you just can't.
35:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's so true.
35:53
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like a sage thing that I heard just a year ago.
35:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't tell you how much of a difference it's made from me.
36:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Of all the people, it was somebody who very, rarely speaks, and very, rarely does interviews, and it's Alan Jackson.
36:09
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, he was getting an award or whatever.
36:11
[SPEAKER_02]: They said, doesn't make you feel good and all these people come to see you.
36:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, yeah, of course it does.
36:17
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, but the honest truth is, is they want me to see them.
36:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will tell you this is a phrase than to remember, realize your fans, give them love.
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: You're giving them all when you give them your art.
36:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you recognize,
36:34
[SPEAKER_02]: they have a commonality, otherwise they would not be there to see you and your music.
36:40
[SPEAKER_02]: When you see them, it makes a really strong bond and it goes on and on and on.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying that offering thing, you know, it's like I had people there that had been following me since I was playing a college.
36:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my main thing that I feel like
36:57
[SPEAKER_02]: the younger artists, you have the ability to do that, but I just say when everything's random and you no matter how many dollars you spend to boost the net or do whatever, you still don't have a clue if it's reaching the people that have the heart for what you do.
37:19
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why being one
37:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, of course, you had to have some boundary at some point because you really have that many friends.
37:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really hard to keep up with that very friend.
37:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't stress it enough.
37:38
[SPEAKER_02]: What comes in my mind is, you know, I started out playing in little places and I still feel like you can go to a coffee shop or whatever, just to get a little groove going with some
37:52
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, why used to make like 50 bucks and then tips.
37:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you make a hundred bucks a night, that's like a year's worth of screams, guys.
38:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
38:03
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So go back a hundred bucks in a coffee shop and make an audience that you're one on one rib.
38:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's ever in the take life musical way.
38:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:14
[SPEAKER_02]: People are always going to crave it.
38:16
[SPEAKER_02]: They're always going to want to feel it and sit in it.
38:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not going to matter what we record, it's going to matter how it moves them when they're there and in the moment with you.
38:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's my take.
38:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the thing that keeps me motivated to keep out on the road and try to stretch my hips out.
38:37
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I have to do.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you know you Aaron has gotten to play he played with a group that opened for the chicks So he's played like the bigger stages the biggest stages I've played are like festivals or like a thousand or a couple thousand people Yeah
38:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is something to be said that the small rooms can have even more magic.
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They're viby.
39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's sometimes like a hundred people, a few hundred people like that connection.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It all kind of goes back to like, what your motivation is, what your intention is, and that's been such a beautiful reminder of like, it can be so fulfilling to go play in somebody's living room because it means so much to them.
39:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll never forget, it was years ago, I was at Folk Alliance, and Kathy Mattea's husband, John Bessner, a award-winning songwriter.
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He was teaching up the camp there, and he was also playing, and you know, at Folk Alliance, there's for people who don't know, it's this music conference, and everybody's playing in hotel rooms.
39:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really bizarre.
39:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And...
39:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and fun and really just like camp.
39:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like it's on the camp.
39:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Unamplified people are just playing music while everybody's like sitting on a hotel bed And all the doors are open and John Vesner who's one Grammys and stuff.
39:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember him talking about it and being like this
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: has to put it as fulfilling because you can get to the top and you might be back here.
40:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like I'm here like this has to be as moving and fulfilling if you are going to survive this life as a musician.
40:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's really stuck with me for years because I think that was like 12 years ago and I got to meet Kathy a couple years ago and I played Mountain Stage when she was hosting and had to tell her because Also we don't know when people say little passing comments like that those little nuggets of wisdom can just be like nourishment that holds you through you know
40:36
[SPEAKER_01]: 15 years.
40:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly true.
40:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a really wonderful thing what he said there because honestly it's like, what is your motivation?
40:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you're motivation is that do the Paris Hilton Kardashians style like I'm famous, but that's one thing, but if you're out there.
40:56
[SPEAKER_02]: to share your art and to stay inspired.
41:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to get out, you've got to get out and do it.
41:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's really hard to sit in your room and just be inspired to write about the beautiful birds at the bird feed here.
41:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, whatever.
41:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And also sharing time with musicians, they're just nothing better.
41:16
[SPEAKER_02]: That's been some of my most unmemories is just being on the bus with a bunch of people or going to do a workshop or a camp or that kind of thing where you get to know somebody more in depth.
41:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if I go out to see somebody play, it inspires me, it keeps me in the butt.
41:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, oh my god, you're just so complacent lately,
41:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, be a different kind of rock and then researched Gary.
41:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I also have to think about, for me, I have to think about the human reward of all of this and not the things that were kind of taught to value as like,
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: streaming numbers and awards but really like what fills us as humans and I often go back to like what an incredible gift it is to have the experience of creating with friends.
42:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the friendship that we get to experience when we're writing together or making music together, that is so special that the vast majority of people don't get to experience.
42:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, regardless of career, like just to be in a room, just to get that opportunity to love someone as a person as a friend and then have the bonding experience of knowing each other on this deeper level through writing something or playing.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: We can so easily take that for granted because it's like, well, yeah, especially living in Nashville because everyone does it.
42:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, this is actually magical.
42:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've got to say, you know, there's been times when I've been kind of curious.
42:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, wow, it's like used to be like three people on a co-rite was a really weird thing.
42:56
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, two people was much more common than a co-rite.
42:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And natural is very known for it's co-writing.
43:02
[SPEAKER_02]: But then I started...
43:03
[SPEAKER_02]: see in the number of five people on this one.
43:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've, you know, I have a really good friend named Tori to yay and I'll, if you know, Tori, but it is a wonderful songwriter and she worked with me for a few years helping me and they're how to use computers and stuff.
43:18
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it young.
43:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And it would always be like, yeah, but, you know, can you make anything when you're doing that?
43:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But then I started realizing that that's not the point.
43:29
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the long tail.
43:30
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, be asked to be about, you know, when I came out of capital after all those years, probably like everybody else, I read all those who moved my cheese and the long tail, all those books, you know, like, let me try to feel better about how this is gonna go.
43:49
[SPEAKER_02]: think that because I came up by booking myself and traveling around the camper truck and knowing how to make my own posters and do all that stuff, it just came kind of natural to me to be able to learn how to do it on the computer and be able to do it through socials.
44:07
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just feel like that hard of the reason.
44:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I maybe that's just my take on it.
44:18
[SPEAKER_02]: It feeds more souls.
44:21
[SPEAKER_02]: You're getting together and you're have a tribe, a community that you are working together often and you know, you get kind of a system to it.
44:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And sort of a routine about how many days you write.
44:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, the more that you put out there, obviously in this climate, the more music you put out, the more chance you have something actually like in the fire somewhere.
44:48
[SPEAKER_02]: being prolific can be helpful even if it doesn't mean that every song is going to be, you know, you're very best.
44:56
[SPEAKER_02]: But practice makes perfect as I say.
44:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe there's something to that to just not be so precious about it that you are afraid that it won't live up to something else.
45:12
[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of my writing is for sink and for placements and stuff and there are songs the songs that I've placed that have gotten the biggest fees are ones that were essentially an afterthought.
45:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you want to use that?
45:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
45:23
[SPEAKER_03]: That one?
45:24
[SPEAKER_02]: What about this?
45:25
[SPEAKER_03]: How is this one took days?
45:26
[SPEAKER_03]: This one took like an hour and you want to use that?
45:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so true.
45:31
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really I know and you kind of just have to say I'm that kind of look at gift course in the mouth, you know.
45:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
45:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
45:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
45:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I only have something to get on Amazon or Apple play a list or something like that.
45:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, oh my god, let me tell you about the second verse.
45:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So bad.
45:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just let it go, man.
45:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd say I should have gone back.
45:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what was what was this on the Rodney wrote shame on the moon.
46:01
[SPEAKER_03]: We had Rodney Crowles, I guess early in this show and you Talk about shame on the moon.
46:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh Bob, see you guys Bob, see you recorded and made it and you know Rodney was like it took me 40 years to finish that song I don't even think it's finished and he was telling us the story about how someone came up to him and was like trying to jar him a little bit They're like like Rodney I really love that song, but you know like that third verse just
46:21
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I wish I was in the room with you and Rodney looks at him and he goes, thank you and wanted to give him a hug because, you know, even though it had been out forever, Rodney was like, it's still not coming.
46:31
[SPEAKER_02]: It's still not coming.
46:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's hysterical.
46:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's kind of true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This has been so I feel like excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been really, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't talk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was helpful to me, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like they all added.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to be in touch with each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm another interview this afternoon that's going to be like with TV cameras and all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad that you maybe get up extra early so that the bags under my eyes would be just a little lower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got warm up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we do like to finish our conversations with the asking everybody the same question.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you've provided so many little nuggets already, but basically it's more in that line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's either something that someone has shared with you along the way that continues to resonate and fill your cup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: or conversely something that you wish you knew when you're first getting started and making career out of your creativity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh goodness, that little tidbit that Alan, I've had quoted that has really rocked my world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that in some ways that was instinctively my feeling that you know being artists were here to help people sometimes feel their emotions that they
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was always very careful to say that he was not giving me advice ever, but that was during the show with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where my favorite things that he ever said because he was very dry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were on stage and I introduced a song that
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[SPEAKER_02]: My husband Doug Criter and Kat in the head written and I started to introduce it and he said, and it's a song that Susie and her husband wrote and I said, and you, because you wrote the music, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just looked at the audience, I said, he's so modest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets up on the
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's my favorite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So remember that, if anybody ever says you're being too modest, just say, well, I got a lot to be modest about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, oh, my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I really enjoyed this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, let's get a cup of coffee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, go to something too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Please keep sharing it with everybody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're going to keep delighting people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see you around out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you so much.
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