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- Alex: Welcome to another edition of the Unsexy podcast where we talk about the unsexy side of everything. Today we have Holly LaRose on the show. The can I call you the owner? I don't know if it's like a business business, but the owner of practice of ascent. Aaron: I will I will call you. Alex: Go check her out on Instagram. We'll have a link in the description so you guys can all go follow her. Holly and I go way back, at least like probably going on like 10 years now. 2016, 2017, knowing each other. She's married to my friend Matt. And the reason that we have Holly on today is because we are trying to get as many different types of stories as possible of how people go about taking care of their health. I had a mini conversation with Holly about this at the pool last Saturday, and I knew that this is going to be a perfect fit for what we're trying to accomplish here at Unsexy to give everybody a view on. There's so many different ways. Pick and choose the way that you want to get healthy. So, Holly, just do a a quick rundown like why health is important to you, especially why is like mental well being piece of health important to you and how you got to this point where you're at right now. Holly LaRose: Yeah. you tapped on a lot of my philosophy around fitness. So I'm not a natural athlete, but I realized that I wanted to become more fit. And at first it was about looking more fit, but then along my journey it became more about alignment and how do I become more capable? So I got consistent with Indoor cycling at 5 a.m. each day before work, and that would set me up for a really successful day in my job, but then also as a parent. And then I started tracking my calories. Where I started running, training for a half marathon. and then I started implementing yoga classes into my weekly routine. And now that my half marathon is done, I've shifted to trail running and doing yoga on top of the mountains because for me it's all about again that alignment. So my journey has become not just about what can I look like, but what can I imagine and what can I convince myself to do? And then I've realized my body will follow. And that's how I make my aspirations a reality. Alex: So when you say what you can imagine t and like Holly LaRose: Mm-hmm. Alex: you say what can I imagine then k I I'm going to do this thing that I just had in my head. Is that what you mean by imagining things or? Holly LaRose: Yeah, so for instance the half marathon. I've never been a runner. I started in like January of this year because we didn't have a winter. I would normally be skiing every chance I could get, or hiking on the weekends, but you know, the little snow that we did have prevented me from hiking. So I thought I wanna be outside and exercise, so I guess I'll run. And then right off the bat, I was able to run like four miles pretty easily because I've been doing so much cardio leading up to that. And so I thought, well, why don't I try a half marathon and see if I can do it. Alex: Thanks. Aaron: When did you say you started like getting into like biking indoors or I guess focusing on your health? What was that? You know what year that was? Holly LaRose: It was last year. I've gone through several cycles of it. but last year, like my daughter who's my youngest, she was like just over a year old. And so I finally had the capacity again to like sleep through the night and then wake up early and prioritize fitness a little bit more. Aaron: Gotcha. Gotcha. And what made you get in what what made you choose biking initially? Just it was at ho it was easy at home kind of a thing, or you just l lease Holly LaRose: Least resistance. Yeah. Yeah. I had an MDOR bike. I could just roll out of bed and roll right onto the bike and just go. Aaron: I was gonna guess you started during the pandemic because that's when everyone bought pelotons, but you you you were you were smart. On the first I've got a Peloton Holly LaRose: We that it that was the first first, yes. Alex: It Aaron: that's great for holding clothes. That's what my Peloton's great for. Holly LaRose: Exactly, yeah. Aaron: that's interesting. So you're going up so you go up, that's this is all I got so many questions. So you do like these long hikes. I maybe that's not a long hike, but you do a hike up to a mountain and that's where you do your yoga. Is that correct? Holly LaRose: Yeah, so I've tried to keep the momentum of the half marathon training. So I do some trail running now. Aaron: Yeah. Holly LaRose: so I do a combination of hiking and running up these trails, get to a really cool viewpoint or a lake, whatever the destination is. Aaron: Sure. Holly LaRose: And then up there I take a moment to just center myself and really integrate Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: the experience with the yoga. and then that becomes more about again, like integrating that experience rather than just conquering it. Aaron: And how have you noticed, I mean, since so you were doing your biking, getting into good cardiovascular health, what no what changes did you notice once you started implementing like yoga into your routine? Holly LaRose: Yeah, it was honestly very transformative because one thing that I really love about my yoga teacher is she really encourages play. Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: you know, when we're little kids, we do cartwheels and we roll around and we do all those cool things with our bodies and somewhere along the growing up journey we lose that. and a lot of yoga is play. It's like convincing yourself that yeah, you can move your weight around, you can support yourself with just your arms, like and getting more comfortable with that. and of course a large part of yoga too is the breath work. And that made a huge difference in my cardio training with the half marathon. but then it's also just built up my strength a ton. Like at the time I wasn't doing a lot of strength training, but I was doing yoga once a week and I started developing a lot more muscle mass than I was expecting. Aaron: It's wild, right? Like Alex and I were talking about this, I think offline the other day. we used to I used to do P90X as well, and one of the days was yoga, and I hated Holly LaRose: Mm-hmm. Yep. Aaron: yoga because it was the hardest. I was like an hour and a half instead of like 45 minutes. And then it was it was the hardest thing to do. I think people think yoga, they think, you're just stretching and it's not that it's so hard. I don't know how people have you ever done the hot yoga? I don't know how people do the hot yoga. Holly LaRose: Yeah. I have. Aaron: I was I was already sweating like crazy in an air conditioned room and then you throw in like hot. my gosh, that sounds crazy. Holly LaRose: Yep. Aaron: But it's probably great for like keeping yourself nice and limber, I guess, so you're not pulling anything while you're doing it. Yeah. Alex: Loose. Holly LaRose: Yeah. It helps a ton with mobility. Yep. Yeah. It helps a ton with recovery too. And that was one thing that I really loved about it as my routine is I would go on Tuesday nights and when I was training for the half marathon. And even now with my trail running, I do that on Saturdays or Sundays. And so when the Tuesday night rolled around, I was like two days after with the delayed muscle soreness and Aaron: Yeah. Holly LaRose: it would just stretch me all out. I'd recover faster and get right back to training. Aaron: So you're the second person. This is so I went to this concert with my family yesterday. Is her name's Lindsay Sterling. She does like a violinist and she does it's it's pretty cool. Holly LaRose: yes, yes. Aaron: and she was talking about breath work. so you just talked about breath work. What what exactly is entailed in breath work? What does that mean? Because a lot of people are probably just like, you just breathe. It's what I think we all know how to do that, unless we're choking. Holly LaRose: Yeah, so again it it comes back to that intention, right? Like bringing that intention and awareness to your breath and purposefully slowing it down and using your movements in concert with your breath. So in yoga, Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: that makes a lot of sense when you're doing certain movements, you'll be breathing out versus breathing in. breathing out will usually help you extend further. And the same principle Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: kind of goes into cardio. Like you have to be really aware of your breath, otherwise it will take ownership of you and slow you Aaron: Sure. Holly LaRose: down. Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. Alex: That's awesome. how do you make time for all this? the that's an unfair question, like context for people. I know Holly, I know that she has a very high how do I say that? High s I don't want to say that she's stressed by her job, but a very high stress job where she has a lot of responsibilities for it, along with family and all of those things. How do you make time to prioritize your health? Holly LaRose: Yeah, again, I realized that it's about being intentional. So I had to make a deliberate effort to build the life that I wanted. and for me that started with prioritizing my health first thing in the morning at five AM before my kids are awake. and then even during the work day, you know, I hit that afternoon slump afternoon, after lunchtime. And so I go out and take a walk every day, rain or shine. Even in this heat wave. And that helps me wake back up and get the blood flow in. and then yoga I do after my kids go to bed or early on Saturday mornings. And then the hiking, again, I wake up before the sun rises and take a couple hours for myself to do that hiking. and luckily my husband's very supportive of that. and to be fair, I support him with his hobbies too. too. So it was kind of that trade off. We say we both need time for ourselves to feel like individuals and build what we want outside of the home, outside of work. Aaron: Yeah. Yeah. No. I like that a lot. Hey, well, Alex: discipline. Aaron: it's you made it sound really easy. Like the and it's I know it's not, but I I think that's one of the hardest things for people to is just to get started. Like was it just a switch that you're just like, I'm just gonna do this and I just did it. Are you one of those people who could just do that? Like how were you able to stay so consistent? with this new routine that you have where so many people including myself, I mean, I went through lots of things where I was motivated to get in shape. It lasted for three or four months and then slowly went away. How did you what did you do to stay consistent? Holly LaRose: Well, I mean, over time it becomes a habit, right? But like Aaron: Right. Holly LaRose: if we're talking initial motivation, I feel like it wasn't necessarily about searching for that motivation for me as much as it was shifting my mindset to I'm gonna make some promises to myself and I'm gonna keep showing up for myself. Because if I don't, I'm not gonna be a good employee, I'm not gonna be a good mom, I'm not gonna be a good wife. And without prioritizing myself in the past, you know, some of those areas would slip. And so this was just a way that I was intentionally trying to be my best self in all facets of my life. And Aaron: perfect. Yeah. Holly LaRose: yeah. And and that strengthens the motivation over time, right? Because you're like, Well, I can't I can't fail myself. Alex: Can't stop now. Yeah. Holly LaRose: Yeah. Aaron: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because motivation is just a feeling, right? It's kind of a fleeting feeling. Like you can feel motivated. Holly LaRose: Mm-hmm. Aaron: It's the days that you don't want to do it that really set up those habits. Because if you're always no one's always in a good mood and no one's always ready to go on a hike or whatever. But if you're just like, I'm doing this. Like no matter what. Like you said, rain or shine, you're going on those walks or those hikes or whatever it is. that's where I think it makes the that's where it really ingrains those habits as opposed to like, well, I'll go when I've when I'm in a better mood. Like i I in all honesty, it's interesting. The thing I like telling people is like I've I have regretted not going to the gym. I've never regretted going to the gym. And so it's probably the same for you. Like it's like I you would probably regret not going on one of your hikes, but I doubt there's been a time you've gone on a hike and be like, I wish you wouldn't have done that. You know what I mean? Like it's just it it's Holly LaRose: Exactly. Aaron: it is it is interesting how like if you I I think part of the mindset is just like if you can think about how good you're gonna feel after you do that thing you don't wanna do, it's it's just worth it. And then just go go do it. So I yeah, I love I love that that you said that. That's great. Alex: And you mentioned Holly LaRose: Yeah, and for me, like one of my mottos is an object in motion stays in motion. You know, and that that goes beyond fitness. That's my, you know, my entire life. Because, you know, I have two little kids, I have a high stress job, as Alex pointed out, like I have to always be moving. but then too, my grandpa always used to say, You can sleep when you're dead. And Aaron: Ha ha ha. Holly LaRose: every morning when I'm waking up early for my exercise, that's what I tell myself. And honestly, it helps. Alex: I hope I hope you're still getting at at least some sleep though, because the sleep is also important. It is important. Okay. Just making sure this we we don't Holly LaRose: I do, I do. Pri sleep is important, yeah. Aaron: Yeah. Alex: have a a three hour bro CEO on the call. you you sleep for Holly LaRose: No, yeah. Alex: longer than three hours, you wuss. Aaron: Yeah. Holly LaRose: Exactly. Alex: going back really quick, so you had made a shift where you started focusing I don't know how to ask this question. But you had mentioned that you started ca you started c calorie counting, started doing all these things, and then the the running and the half marathon was motivating you that led then you started doing yoga, trails, etcetera, et cetera. Do you are you still doing calorie counting? You still tracking? Because Aaron got super excited when he heard that, and I just want to make sure you still are so Aaron can be excited. okay, good. Holly LaRose: I do, yeah. And again it Aaron: Don't disappoint me. Holly LaRose: it comes to awareness because I like to be aware of what I'm putting into my body and giving myself that data of, hey, I'm not I'm feeling great today. What is it? Is it because of what I ate or is it, you know, something else that's going on? But then I have that record. Aaron: Yes. Holly LaRose: and then also I'm a vegetarian. I've been a vegetarian for half my life now. and that means I again have to be really intentional about what I'm putting into my body. Especially if I'm fueling these, you know, demanding workouts. I have to make sure I'm consuming enough protein and watching those macros and fueling and recovering appropriately. Alex: What's your go to food? Aaron: This is great. This is great. Sorry. Yes. I was gonna say, like, so we've I don't Holly LaRose: Yeah. Aaron: think have we ever had a vegetarian on? Maybe we haven't, they just haven't told us, which is very unlikely. the the the no, but I'm I've Alex: Ha ha ha. Holly LaRose: Yeah. Aaron: I've always been genuinely curious, like how are you getting your protein in? Like what is what's the what's the protein secret? I'm sure if I looked into it, I could find it, but you're here, so I'll ask you. Holly LaRose: Yeah, so I mean that's one of the nice things about being vegetarian versus vegan, is I can rely on some animal sources like eggs, and dairy. Yeah, Aaron: okay. Holly LaRose: so eggs are great. try to use those quite a bit, even beyond breakfast. I do eat a lot of tofu. Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: Greek yogurt, of course, I love as a snack, but also adding into meals, like I make a good Tzatziki for my like Greek bowls out of Greek yogurt. dried edamame beans are one of my favorite snacks. Protein bars. I love all the clean, simple eats, protein powders. Mix them into everything from like overnight oats to like ninja creamy ice cream. Aaron: my gosh, it's about the best. That's such a cheat code. The Ninja Creamy. It's so good. It is so good. Holly LaRose: Yeah. It's it's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. Aaron: Yeah, I guess that's Alex: How are you? Aaron: true. Like I I would say the majority of my no, sorry. Let's go, Alex. Alex: I was just gonna ask like how are you getting all of this food? Like are you making it ahead of time? You making it day by day? Is it pretty simple to cook on a daily basis or how how's that going for you? Holly LaRose: Yeah, so I do try to come up with really easy recipes because I have two little kids and they are crawling up my legs when I'm trying to cook dinner. so yeah, I do have some recipes that I've just picked up over time that are quick. and sometimes I'll prepare ahead of time. Like every night I make myself overnight oats with protein and chia seeds and all the good stuff, just to wanna make sure I start the day well and get a lot of fiber. Aaron: How did you know like your I guess my question, I mean this is like a very leading question. just because Alex and I grew up in a in a time where everyone told you that carbohydrates are horrible for you, did at any Holly LaRose: Yeah. Aaron: point were you in that kind of camp of like I guess like you might maybe you grew up, I don't know how you older are you look like you're twenty. like the twins, I'm assuming right out of high school. Alex: Just two kids at twenty. Holly LaRose: I'm not. Yeah. Aaron: No, so like I guess my question i is like d was there a point where you were afraid of carbohydrates and then got back into it or were you always I guess as a vegetarian kinda knew like, Yeah, carbs are great, I don't have to worry. Holly LaRose: as a vegetarian, like in the early years, I definitely prioritized carbs too much Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: and didn't get enough protein. And I felt so awful. Aaron: Gotcha. Yeah. Holly LaRose: but now that I've learned a lot more about nutrition, I know it's all about the balance. So carbs are obviously super important as you're fueling up for a big workout. And then protein and carbs are really vital for recovery. so it's just about educating myself on the purpose of. what you're putting in your body. and of course with carbs, it's tricky too, because there are some like basic carbs that break down into just sugar super fast. And you don't want those because Aaron: Yeah. Holly LaRose: well, I mean, there's a there's a time and place for everything, right? But if you're Aaron: Right. Holly LaRose: leading up to a workout, you don't want to just stuff yourself full of donuts. I've learned that the hard way, by the way. I'm not like holy Aaron: really? What? Holly LaRose: ears and thou. Alex: Do you want to Aaron: Yeah. Alex: share that story? No, it's kidding. You don't have to. just Holly LaRose: No. Aaron: Ha ha ha. Alex: kidding. I just shifting gears here a little bit, practice of ascent. What what is that about? Holly LaRose: Yeah, so I do a lot of thinking as I'm doing my trail running and hiking. and I realized that for me is a lot of a metaphor. So I'm not just conquering the physical mountain. I see the mountain more as like a classroom. And I've realized that the real summit is within my own mind. I love psychology. I'm a big fan of Carl Jung. the father of analytical psychology. And his whole premise is like the ultimate purpose of life is individuation where you become your most whole self. And for me to become that whole self, you can't just live in comfort. You have to push yourself. You push your limits, you decide who you want to be, and you uncover it by challenging yourself. And so that's the practice part of it is I'm every week practicing. conquering myself, dipping into my inner abilities and that reservoir of power that is untapped if you don't challenge yourself to to do something crazy. Aaron: so when you're tapping into is this why you're doing like just marathon like have you done a marathon just half marathons? Are you like like these are the types of challenges you're talking about? Like is it the goal is like I'm gonna do a few half marathons and now I want to do a marathon? Is that the kind of kind of progression you're looking towards, or is it something completely different? Holly LaRose: Yeah, for me, I'm not necessarily trying to rack up medals. Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: I wanted to do the half marathon because I wanted to prove to myself that I could be somebody who challenges themselves consistently. Aaron: Yeah. Holly LaRose: and so I've moved on now to trail running because I have this love of the mountains. there's that sense of exploration. It's a whole new set of challenges every time with uneven trails. And yoga presents a whole bunch of challenges as well. Like there's three yoga poses that I'm working on right now that I think will take me months, if not years, to master because they're so difficult. so that's an example of what I'm working towards rather Aaron: Sure. Holly LaRose: than just adding more miles. Aaron: What's the yoga pose that takes two years to figure out? I'm j Holly LaRose: well I mean the main one is like a handstand. I've never been able to do that. there's Aaron: yeah. Yes. Holly LaRose: some other ones that are like arm balances that are really difficult. Like I'm working on one called the Fallen Angel, where Aaron: Mm-hmm. Holly LaRose: like you're balancing on your arms, you have to like extend your legs in a certain way. So it takes a tremendous amount of like like brain power to be able to do that and strength. Yeah. Aaron: yeah, okay. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah, okay. when you're trail running, this is like immediately I don't know why I think are you ever worried about twisting your ankle? That's like my first thing I Holly LaRose: yeah. Aaron: think about when trail running. Holly LaRose: I do. Yeah, I worry. but you know, I've invested in some good shoes. I'm careful out there. If it's gonna be too difficult in the descent or ascent, you know, I'll just take it slower and hike for that part. Aaron: Gotcha. Gotcha. What are the sho what are the what are the good shoes? Let the people know. What what have you found Holly LaRose: Ha ha. Aaron: to be the best trail running shoes? Alex: Trail running. Holly LaRose: Well, I haven't tried a lot, so I can't vouch if they're the best. But I mean, according to my conversations with Chat GPT, the ones that I Aaron: Yeah. Holly LaRose: was looking for, I got the the Brooks Cascadia Gore-Tex version. Brooks, of course, is a very famous running brand. I tried some Aaron: Brooks is the best. Holly LaRose: ultras and maybe I'll get into those someday, but they had like a zero drop and I didn't think I could just quickly transition into those. Aaron: Yeah, yeah. The ultras have a really wide toe box too. That's why I like those ones. Holly LaRose: Yeah. Yeah. Aaron: that's cool. Okay, good to know. Brooks Brooks I Alex: What's a zero what's a zero drop? Holly LaRose: What was that? Aaron: Just like f just flat, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alex: It's a flat shoe. there's no arch. Gotcha. Holly LaRose: Flat. Yeah. Yeah. So it puts a lot more tension on your Achilles, which you have to like train for. Yeah. Yeah. Aaron: Yeah. gotta be real careful. We had we Alex: Want that. Aaron: had Juan on one of our podcasts. He blew his Achilles out. maybe had a zero drop shoe on. I'm gonna I'm gonna Holly LaRose: Maybe. Alex: Pro let's just say he did. He did. We can we can make up stuff like that, right? There was an ultra. What was it called? An ultra? Just kidding. Aaron: text him and ask him. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. One screaming at his at his phone. Holly LaRose: Yeah. Aaron: Yeah. but they're great, great, great shoe company. Alex: Ha ha. Aaron: yeah, the I call like my brooks are my Disneyland shoes because they're the most comfortable shoes to walk around in. They're so comfortable. Holly LaRose: Yeah. Aaron: Yeah, I love, I love, I love Brooks. and so, all right, so you get to your I just want to keep diving into this a little bit. Let's say you I guess maybe you don't know yet. You you figure out how to do a handstand and you do the one-armed crazy pose. Is it more crazy Alex: Fallen Angel. Aaron: yoga stuff that you wanna figure out? Or is it like, all right, now I'm gonna do A triathlon. I don't even know. I like it's just it's kind of i maybe you don't know right now. You're like, I'm trying to focus on getting this figured out before I'm on to the next thing. Holly LaRose: a little bit of both. Like I feel like I could do yoga for the rest of my life and still have more to master, which is one thing I love about it. But yeah, as I experience more and gain more awareness of what's possible, I might change my goals or add to them. Yeah. Aaron: Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Are you are your kids are like under five? Holly LaRose: Five and two, yeah. Aaron: Five and two? Okay, I was gonna ask if you've gotten them involved in any sort of running or stuff. I know it's my my one my I have a seven and a eleven year old, and my seven year old has always loved running constantly, no matter what. do you is it is it important for you to I mean, is it in the kind of the back of your mind like I want them to see that I'm taking my health seriously and I want them to grow up in kind of a home where that is very important? Holly LaRose: definitely. Like I I know that I'm setting an example. And right Aaron: Yeah. Holly LaRose: now they don't quite understand why I'm not there on Sunday mornings when I go out and hike. But I think one day they'll appreciate that I was taking that time, both for myself but also to prioritize my health. Yeah, like my my mom got breast cancer late last year, and that was kind of a wake up call for me too. Just because, you know, I was thinking about mortality now. Like and I realized, okay, I really wanna make sure that I'm laying the foundation right now for how I age later on, to give myself the best chance of living a a long and healthy life. Aaron: Sure, sure. Did you grow up in a home that was pretty active? Holly LaRose: Yeah. like my parents aren't necessarily like fitness junkies, but they definitely live the an object in motion stays in motion lifestyle. my mom was always really active with us, always running around. and then my dad would take us skiing every weekend in the winter, he'd take us wakeboarding every weekend in the summer. And now that I am a parent, I realize, okay, that takes a tremendous amount of effort to get the kids rounded up and going out to do a bit of activity Aaron: Yeah, right. Alex: Yeah, dude. Holly LaRose: like that. But that gave me that sense of adventure and that I could do hard things. And I'm really grateful for that. Alex: That's awesome, man. Aaron: Do you still wakeboard? Holly LaRose: Mm, not not often. And I never got that great at it. Aaron: Yeah. Is skiing you still obviously we we had a terrible winter like you pointed out. Is skiing something that you are like pretty passionate about? Yeah. Yeah. Holly LaRose: yeah, big time. Yeah. Aaron: That's all I had. I had no follow up questions either. Alex: Well I are Holly LaRose: Ha ha ha Alex: you when are you gonna start taking the kids skiing? Holly LaRose: Well, I was going to take my five year old Alex: It was this year. Holly LaRose: last year, but I even got him skis and everything, but we didn't get enough snow for it to be worth it. So hopefully this year. Aaron: I took I we went skiing. I'd never gone before. And the best time, anyone listening, the best time to learn how to ski is when you're 40 years old. perfect for the knees and every other part of your body. Holly LaRose: Yeah. Aaron: but it was it's it is interesting. this isn't like bragging about my kids, like they both did like awesome. Like they're both really good. Like I just kids are so natural at picking up that kind of stuff for whatever reason. Like I thought I was really good going down the bunny hill and then I went down like the the the main run and I was like, my god, I'm gonna die. But my kids are just like, this is fun. I'm like falling constantly Alex: I'm gonna die. Holly LaRose: Ha ha Aaron: and they're doing awesome. so yeah, that's that's that was my experience at least with with taking kids out skiing. And it'd probably be way better because you could actually teach them where I was just like, I don't know, just don't fall. Like pizza, what was it, pizza and then the other thing to stop what? French fries, yeah. Holly LaRose: Survive this. Yeah. Pizza and French fries, yep. Yep. Mm-hmm. Aaron: Just yelling that the whole time. That's just made me hungry. Alex: What's pizza and french fries? I don't ski, obviously. So like we're supposed to like position yourself. Pizza. french fries. Gotcha. Holly LaRose: Well, you're supposed to point your skis together to slow down and and then french fries that makes you go faster. Aaron: Yeah. Well what's the one when you go the complete opposite way of pizza? 'Cause I kept doing that. That's called that's called it's no, it's called ACL. That's what that one's called. Alex: phu a full. Holly LaRose: Yeah, yeah. I call it a mountain ballet. Yep. Alex: well Holly, what we like to open it up f at the end of our conversations with people to give advice to to our listeners. J whatever you want to say about improving their lives, what what you think is the most important thing. Holly LaRose: Again, it comes back to just making promises to yourself. Like imagine what's possible for you and realize that you already have it within you. You just have to uncover it. Alex: Love it, love it, love it. Holly, thanks again so much for the vegetari I d what's funny is when you brought the vegetarian thing, that's like one of those things I f like you just like get, you know, because you get used to a person. And so like you just it just like becomes who they are. And so like you never think about it like, yeah, that's right. Also a vegetarian. Like Holly LaRose: Ha ha Alex: that's we've never had a vegetarian before. It was awesome. So you thank you for all your expertise and all of like the very particular special qualities that you had and brought to the podcast today. We really appreciate it. And to everyone else listening, have a wonderful wonderful Week and go be unsexy everybody.