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Sonny · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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oh god oh my god It's like the worst Foley work.
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Just like shaming ghosts. Thunking along. Ghost
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shaming and thunk noises. You're a whore. What
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is this? A family reunion? Fucking get out of
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here. How many chicks you been with with belly
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button rings? I was talking to Pete about this
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today. One. One? Yeah. I'm only a one too. No
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one as well. I've been a bit of a who. So a lot.
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Yeah. Like I don't have a tangible number. Allegedly,
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every chick Pete has ever dated has had a belly
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button ring. Interesting. Yeah, that's weird.
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That is a weird Pete fact. Yeah. I like that.
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I like that knowledge. Pete got married at like
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12, right? Yeah, that's about right. So his dating
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was one and she had a belly button ring. Yeah,
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I think you've got the measure of it, Sean. Yeah.
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So earlier today I saw a, you know, a screen
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capture of something from a Facebook group called
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Halloween Freaks. And this guy, this guy, Ted,
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just said. If you're like me, you know that Halloween
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is the perfect time for fucking and sucking and
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dripping wet with sex fucking pussies and hard,
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frightening cocks. Like this if you agree. And
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Andrea had to come back with, this is not what
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this page is about. But Willem Dafoe did like
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that. Yeah, absolutely. With frightening cuts.
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Yeah, just an eggplant emoji. Thanks. Oh, man.
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I love this time of year. Freaks come out at
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night. Well, I'm fucking exhausted and got my
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flu shot yesterday and it's fucking wiped me
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out. So welcome back to Cage Magic Hole and a
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roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage. My name's
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Sean. I'm here with... Nick. And our producer...
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Peter, hello. This week, we watched the movie
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Sunny, which was directed by Nicolas Cage. yeah
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his one and only yeah which is kind of badass
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and also weird that this is his one choice yeah
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i get it based on everything i know about the
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man which is very little i get it so i don't
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know anything about the source material for this
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aside from you know little little bits of trivia
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or whatever i'm curious if it was also written
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to be set in new orleans or if nicholas cage
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took it and reset it in new orleans because that
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sounds about right it does sound about right
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that he would have put it there as like a passion
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project right because the author set it up as
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autobiographical or semi -autobiographical where
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did you guys watch this movie at home thanks
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nick i had a really hard time finding it on the
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less uh up and up platforms the first one i downloaded
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was a um a movie claiming to be sunny but it
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was sunny s -o -n -i a hindi film from 2018 yeah
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uh josie started that one and she's like it's
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right here it's free and there's no ads and i'm
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like easy peter said this isn't the one for us
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yeah so then weirdly enough the one i found is
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named sanny oh sanny yeah and that is the correct
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one but we wouldn't recommend trying to find
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this in the uh more dubious parts of the internet
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especially given the fact that you wouldn't necessarily
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know Going into it, you're like, okay, it's a
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movie about a male sex worker. This porno sure
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looks like it could be it. Sure. I mean, yeah.
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James Franco's changed. Yeah. I mean, has he?
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Hey, Nick, can I read you my quick review I said
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to Peter last night? Uh -huh. I finished it.
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All in all, positive in the film, despite it
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not really having much of a plot. Well shot.
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Acting was serviceable to good. Nothing atrocious.
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The weird self -insert brings the whole thing
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down from drama to farce, but otherwise, it's
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a movie I watched. I'd put it a little bit above
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it's a movie I watched, but your review is pretty
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fucking accurate. Yeah, yeah. Most of those points
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are pretty spot on there. I did feel a little
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better about the acting, especially James Franco.
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Just as a character piece for him. I think he
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did a pretty good job about it. I mean, it's
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James Franco. Yeah, I mean, we can get the hard
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part of that over. He seems like a douchebag.
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He's done douchebag shit. He is a good actor,
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but like, fuck that guy. Yeah, but his weird
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face. OK, I got to talk about his face for a
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minute. He does squint a lot in his face. It's
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one of those like everything turns into a raisin.
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Like it's like it's all squinched up face. So
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he smiles and everything is just. I do love his
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smile. His smile is actually kind of infectious
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for me because it's just so big and everything
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about it is smile. OK, OK, I can give that to
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you. I had a note of I hate his smile, but it's
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mostly because I hate his squinch face. Well,
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I hate everything above the nose. Just mouth
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zone. Yeah, pretty good. He mouth smiles real
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good. You know, I'd fucking I'd trade Leto in
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a second. Oh, any day. Any day. Wait. You can
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bring Franco back. I won't watch his movies,
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but I'll hate him less than Leto. Oh, okay. Perfect.
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No, I agree with you. For a second, I was like,
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what? Are you super pro -Leto all of a sudden?
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No. Watch the new Tron Aries and just really
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fucking hot for Leto. Sean was the only person
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to watch it. My favorite thing I've seen about
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Tron Aries is a thing on the internet where someone's
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like, movie Tron Jared Leto's name is John his
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name is John Tron none of you will deny this
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because none of you will admit to have seen this
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film I do love John Tron and what you said earlier
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was Jonathan Tron I added to the joke yeah prove
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me wrong go to the movie you're not gonna do
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it you morbius fuck Oh, yeah. So James Franco
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comes back after being dishonorably discharged
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from the military. So he's done with his Army
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career, decides to go back to New Orleans before
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heading out to take up a job with a buddy running
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a bookstore in Texas. So he comes back to New
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Orleans. We get introduced to his life where,
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you know, he lives with his mom, who is the I
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wouldn't even say the madam. She just runs a
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whore in like a whorehouse, like singular whorehouse.
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Yeah. And you only have the one bedroom. Yeah.
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One bedroom has to share it with whore. And hey,
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I'm getting all my whore. commentary in now you
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asked for this yeah watching watching this film
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i was just like well not even not even gonna
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try yeah this is this is nick's film uh so let's
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talk about your quote now i'm working through
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them all right now yeah uh so he gets to come
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home share a room with a whore and uh his mom's
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pressuring him into being a whore again because
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she raised him as like the best male whore in
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new orleans and but he doesn't want to do that
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so he tries to get out of it but the life sucks
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him back in and it's him dealing with all the
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horrible consequences of being a whore yeah it's
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pretty good there's also like a dad theme And
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complications with mom. Yes, there are some daddy
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problems and some mommy issues. I mean, I'd say
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the biggest mommy issue is she was whoring out
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her son at age 12. Yeah, super fucked up. Like
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all of it is pretty fucked up. Yeah. So, yeah,
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like the little cast rundown. So you got James
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Franco as the main character, Sonny. You've got
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Brenda Blethen as Jewel, his mom. Harry Dean
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Stanton is Henry, who for most of the movie,
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you just is like, OK, this guy who's been around
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in his life, who's sort of a fuck up drunk gambler.
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Yeah, but he fucking kills it. This is great.
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One of my favorite Harry Dean. And he turns out
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he's his dad, but that's later. We'll figure
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that out. Mina Savari in like, so she's been
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in at this point, like American pie and American
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pie too. And American beauty, a lot of American,
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all American, all American actress. And then
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like her career, like she doesn't fall off in
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like a crazy way. She just sort of goes the way
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of like. aging women actresses where she becomes
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like a tv actor after her film career kind of
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tails off so she made stuff like last year she's
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still in the scene interesting um but this is
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one of her last like big leading roles for a
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while um and then beyond that like nick cage
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plays a Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, your name's acid
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yellow. You don't go around in chartreuse. That's
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true. That's confusing. That's very confusing.
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And that's kind of it. The only other one that
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I liked was that dude who gambles with his with
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Harry Dean Stanton. Oh, yeah. With the fucking
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giant cigar. Who is that guy? He looks super
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familiar. Yeah. His name is Seymour Castle. He's
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been in like a billion things. He's just one
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of those like bit actors that, you know, his
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face. and like his face looks like it always
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should have a cigar and in this movie it does
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yeah that's sunny folks that is kind of sunny
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how nick how do you feel as a person who likes
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new orleans how did this rep new orleans for
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you uh god it made me want to go back to the
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70s because every time i've been to new orleans
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zero prostitutes this is set in 1991 isn't it
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what a shame yeah no toots at all the only toots
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i got were from some dork's trombone did you
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ever see a guy lick a guitar oh i saw some mean
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licks on guitar but uh i don't know if i saw
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a guy lick a guitar that guy was pretty wild
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he was pretty wild that drunk ass scene have
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you ever had like whiskey and club sodas and
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like slammed it on the table to ultra fizz it
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out no none of that made sense sean did you have
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you had that experience like what the fuck was
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he doing i wanted to ask if if anyone knew what
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was going on there okay so later in the movie
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we'll get to it but sunny is like timeline doesn't
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matter yeah everything's gone out the window
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his life has fallen to shit he's back in the
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game he's sad about the game his dad has died
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We'll talk about that. He learned who his dad
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was. He learned who his dad was. So he goes out
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and he gets fucked up like big time. And he's
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drinking whiskeys and like club soda. But he
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fills it up, puts a napkin on top of this cup
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and then slams it. Right. To make it all fizz
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up. But why? I don't know. I can only imagine
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that it's probably like a different like mouth
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feel like the. the drinking experience has to
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be different because you're drinking something.
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Yeah. That's like ultra fizzy. Like the bubbles
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are just going crazy at that point. And then
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you slam a whiskey soda that way. I mean, I want
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to try it. I'm curious about it. But I can't
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imagine being a bartender and allowing that.
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The fucking mess of it. And then every time,
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a new napkin. So what's he doing with those other
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napkins? He's throwing them on the ground. You
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gotta fucking clean that shit up. Yeah, it was
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interesting. But if there was ever a city to
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do it, I think New Orleans would be pretty into
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that. Most of the action of this movie takes
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place around Bourbon Street and the adjacent
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blocks, which is just as... i mean like no whores
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but it's just as wild now as then i'm ready to
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go back to new orleans this movie fueled me up
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yeah it's a pretty good like interesting picture
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of new orleans i mean like it's definitely gritty
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crappy you know like here's the which is still
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new orleans like yeah right without the prostitution
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or the visible prostitution right uh that's still
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new orleans like i don't know if katrina really
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fucked that city up or not i mean that's a obviously
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it did and that's a take that i will sure fucked
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it up in a different way like fucked up the culture
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of it maybe not you know right that the culture
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of it and well the heart of the city is still
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very strong right you know the restrictive aspect
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aspect of it is really like republican douchebags
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fucking with no puritanical rules fuck off but
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josie and i were talking about it and she's like
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this is a great city to film like this kind of
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period piece because the architecture of these
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parts of the city have not changed. I mean, there
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are buildings and homes there that have existed
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for like 150, 200 years. Sean, have you been
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to new Orleans? No. Okay. Let's go on a, um,
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cocaine fueled trip to new Orleans. Oh, I can
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show you all the places that Nicholas Cage has
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lived and the place where he will rest. Oh, that's
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right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. His pyramids. I do feel
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like we need to go see his mausoleum. It's pretty
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sweet. Yeah, I agree. He actually has two plots.
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He bought two plots, one for me and one for him.
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He just doesn't know it yet. He was one of the
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last people that was able to buy into St. Louis
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Cemetery. That's wild. So you can't you can't
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buy into it anymore. So because people like us
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want to buy in now. taking down property value
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yeah exactly yeah my bones are gonna ruin this
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property value so this movie like i feel like
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it has a strong start like the whole thing is
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like he gets home from the army he wants to start
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a new life get clean get away from his like the
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mom who like made a made a whore out of him does
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nothing to actually do that well he tried the
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one thing he tried he tried to he tried to he
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tried to get a job at the suit shop yeah and
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was immediately like no and then straight up
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no also those ladies solicited him while he was
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there yeah which is bad business bad biz i understand
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i was so what i was gonna say is like you know
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he wants to get out of the life but you know
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everyone through like circumstance and manipulation
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gets pulled back in and as soon as he's back
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in every trick every lady john like shorts him
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and you know he gets more and more agitated by
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the whole thing and kind of halfway through the
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film he's just like well this is who i am now
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this is this is all i can ever be and then it's
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just kind of sad the rest of the film yeah it
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is very heartbreaking to uh watch him come back
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with like full of vigor he's got an enthusiasm
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for books and literature and everything about
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his life from the moment he gets back into new
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orleans it's just like sorry dude sorry sonny
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you're the best dick for hire in town and that's
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all you'll ever be so that was that was one of
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my questions for you actually nick is like What's
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it like being the best dick for hire? Yes, thank
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you. No, my question is like these movies are
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all sort of like predicated on the fact that
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like you come back to your town and like everyone
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fucking knows you and you're pulled back into
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the game. But like New Orleans isn't a small
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city, right? I mean, it's not like huge, but
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the idea that like the second he gets back, everyone's
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like, that's that best dick I've ever had. It's
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like, oh, hey, Sonny, I'm at the grocery store.
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Look at this eggplant. And he's like, yeah, I
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know. uh it's kind of not like obviously i've
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never lived there but it's regional like everything
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he's talking about is like the quarter he even
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mentions like i can't go anywhere in the quarter
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without being recognized for what i am for being
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a big dick whatever swanger so yeah most of it
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and we're still talking about the 70s and stuff
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too or i think it's 70s 70s 80s something like
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that that kind of was 91 that's what like it
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didn't say 1991 in the beginning of the film
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oh i can't read um just like sunny i pretend
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i'm real good pretender he's also working like
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richer people it's not just his neighborhood.
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Like they're kind of far afield. Like they go
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to the house to work the double. Yeah. Yeah.
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There's a little bit of time spent outside of
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the quarter for sure. So, but so like he gets
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to that point where he's like, well, this is
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who I am. But then what's the, what's his girlfriend's
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name? What's the, her name's Carol. Carol. She
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decides that, you know, maybe they can't change,
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but they could at least hope for, they can at
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least try for anything else. And rather than,
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you know, him being like, sure, he's just like,
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nope, this is who we are. This is all we'll ever
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be. And so first half hopeful. Second half crushes
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someone else's hope. Yeah, he's doing exactly
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what his mom did to him. Yeah. So it's real sad.
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Is this movie good? I think it is. I think it's
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actually kind of good. I don't think like, OK,
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despite my like very it's fine review of it.
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It is fine. Like, and the, like I said, the acting
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is for the most part good. Uh, I only have a
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few, there's only a few things where I'm just
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like, I don't know about that, but the acting's
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good. It's directed shockingly well for, um,
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I didn't expect it to be directed well at all.
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Like it's beautiful. The score is actually really
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good. It's really good. Nicholas Cage is as an
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actor, the weakest moment of this. Yeah. Totally.
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Oh, that's a whole different movie. Yeah. Yeah.
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I would watch that movie, but well, I would have
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to watch that movie. It meanders a bit. It's
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there's not a strong through line throughout,
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but like it's, it's well done. Like you can tell
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the people who made it cared about what they
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were making and they made something that I don't
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know how culturally important it is, but it isn't
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bad by any means. yeah it could have used a little
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more like structural through line for it um everything
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that happens with the characters is pretty much
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in line and it tracks well but there's just not
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something that really makes it go scene to scene
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unfortunately yeah um beyond just beating sunny
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down yeah if and if they would have spent more
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than like two scenes hinting about the daddy
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issues like if that was like his through line
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like his dad wasn't around so his mom took advantage
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of him his dad wasn't around so he went to the
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army if like that was the through line throughout
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then that would have tied up the made the ending
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and his like kind of heel turn makes so much
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more sense yeah and that one scene where he pulls
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the picture down off the wall right it's like
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well i didn't really love that story of it i
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mean like i enjoyed the story of like oh my daddy
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came in and protected my mom scared some dude
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off yeah i mean like it just sort of came out
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of nowhere it felt like it was just kind of added
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in or like a scene was built to tell that story
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yeah there was nothing bringing us to that story
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Yeah, like I said, I just don't think there's
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much of a through line throughout that carries
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the entire that carries it from scene to scene
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or carries the entire narrative. So my feeling
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on this is like I really like this movie and
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I think it was actually pretty good overall.
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But like it's there's basically nothing happens.
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You know, there's like it's so thin overall,
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even though like I liked it because it's so like
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specifically character driven. So like what I
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what I want to talk about is like the performances
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of sort of the main. three characters you know
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it's like carol carol and sunny jewel and oh
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i guess henry um his dad yeah i love that scene
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where uh henry and sunny were talking and uh
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henry was like oh you gotta think about the the
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consequences and sunny's like oh you think i
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shouldn't get out also you think i should just
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stay and he's henry's like no but You got to
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realize, like, just be prepared because the things
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that you don't have to think about, the things
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that normal people think about, like paying bills,
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like going to PTA meetings, like it's hard in
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a different way. Coming from somebody who makes
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his living picking pockets and stealing. Right.
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Talking to a male whore. OK, so let's get back
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to the dad, because I think he's my favorite
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character in this. I really liked him a lot.
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So we'll go back to really well. Yeah, we'll
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go back to Harry Dean Stanton. But how about
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we do the mom, Brenda Blethen Jewel? What did
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you all think of her accent? It was the weakest.
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Yeah, well. uh i think it's i mean it tried the
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hardest it did try the hardest uh there are definitely
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times in it it's it veers very close to channing
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tatum's gambit oh yeah yes yeah i don't know
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a lot of uh off the beaten path women from louisiana
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like i don't know a lot of like accents from
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parishes outside of sure yeah uh the main portion
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of new orleans or anything uh the the tourist
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areas i don't know the the accents of the people
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who do not get a lot of like outside influence
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it it could be relatively accurate it was very
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distracting uh especially in the beginning i
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was like oh that's what we're doing like i got
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over frank fucking franco's accent pretty quick
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yeah i had a note immediately i was like and
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then it was like yeah it's all right yeah i i
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kind of settled into it and i was like okay yeah
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actually there is a little bit of that like kind
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of wet drawl sort of thing gross yeah wet drawl
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yeah but the mom was extra and it was yeah a
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little off putting it it took me out of it a
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lot but then at the same time I mean, I have
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a dad who says Creek instead of Creek. Fair enough.
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He was raised in Oregon. Like, why does he do
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that? I don't know. Rural areas. Wash your hands.
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He says Washington. Yeah. And I live in Washington.
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Yeah, I live in Washington to him. He lives across
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the river from Washington. And it's Washington.
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It's across the Creek. Yeah. Just across. The
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Columbia Crick. That thick crick. I don't like
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that. I don't like that either. Yeah, you shouldn't.
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So, yeah, I mean, rural accents are fucking weird.
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Yeah. They take bends, man. So she reminded me
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like in in a very like more humanized, toned
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down version of the mom from Wild at Heart. That's
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exactly what I was thinking. And also Harry Dean
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Stanton from that. Like he's he's a very different
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character. He's almost like the fusion of that
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character from Wild at Heart and the character
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from that Dennis Hopper played in Rumblefish.
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The dad, the drunk dad from that. It's like if
25:54
you. slam fucked those two together like aesthetically
25:58
and character wise i don't want to think about
26:00
harry dean stanton and just harry dean stanton
26:02
and dennis hopper slam slam fucking listen man
26:08
And you have problems with the things I say.
26:11
Sometimes I can get you. But no, I kept thinking
26:15
about that. Like the aesthetic of Dennis Hopper's
26:17
character from Rumblefish is exactly what this
26:20
is. It's all like the hat, the style, kind of
26:22
the fuck up drunk. You know, he's like kind of
26:24
a nice, likable guy, even though you're like
26:27
you're a fuck up. He's affable. Yeah, he's very
26:29
affable. You're sort of just like, yeah, I probably
26:32
drank with that guy. You know, like, oh, we absolutely
26:35
drink with those guys. They're our favorite guys.
26:38
That's true. I just OK, just for funsies. I just
26:46
Googled was Harry Dean Stanton ever young? What
26:51
the fuck? He only ever looks like he only ever
26:55
looks like a 68 year old man. I mean, it's a
26:58
good question. The first thing that came up,
27:01
yes, Harry Dean Stanton was young. Great. Thanks,
27:04
AI. Fuck you, AI. Yeah, I don't believe that.
27:07
At one point, Harry Dean Stanton was a child.
27:10
Prove it, bitch. Yeah, that looked like a 68
27:13
-year -old man. Numerically, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
27:17
He's got some kind of weird version of Benjamin
27:20
Buttons where he came out 68 and he stayed 68.
27:23
Just stayed that the entire time. He's a Highlander.
27:29
all right well let's talk about him then because
27:31
like he's he's probably my favorite character
27:32
in this entire thing like yeah yeah yeah um i
27:37
i think i kind of like his whole like vibe like
27:42
we kind of get introduced to him is our first
27:46
introduction like him being in jail yeah yeah
27:49
and carol having to go blow the bonds person
27:52
to get him out jules running this like scam behind
27:57
the scenes She's always using money as kind of
28:01
motivation for the game. So like I can absolutely
28:07
see somebody like that being like, oh, well,
28:09
my fuck boy is in jail. I could pay money to
28:15
a bondsman or I could just have some other mouth
28:20
suck his dong off. And I mean, one of those has.
28:27
zero repercussions to me sure yeah true i mean
28:33
that that's the pimpin game to get back to henry
28:37
like that's how we get introduced to him right
28:39
uh henry comes back he's you know lumpy ass harry
28:44
dean stanton and he looks like a melted candle
28:47
like just always oh man one of those decorative
28:49
candles that you get at the county fair yeah
28:52
yeah there you go put a hat on it yep borrow
28:55
john's hat put it on the candle wait just because
29:02
just because we name dropped john i did want
29:04
it the one thought i had the one note i made
29:06
for this film is when harry dane sand does eat
29:08
it in this film spoilers and like his car gets
29:12
exploded by a semi -truck and all that's left
29:15
is flaming flaming wreckage and a hat in the
29:18
middle of the road i'm like that's how john's
29:20
gonna go Okay, we gotta just talk about it. His
29:24
character's fine. It doesn't matter. He just
29:26
has these moments with Sonny. It's nice. He's
29:28
a father figure. He has dad moments. Dad moments
29:31
with Sonny without knowing that it's his son.
29:35
It was pretty clear after the first one. Without
29:38
knowing, it was his dad. Let me rephrase. And
29:42
then he leaves a gambling situation. And he finally
29:45
wins. He wins a game of gin and he's like, everything's...
29:49
Coming up Millhouse and he leaves, he gets in
29:53
his car and as he turns his car on and starts
29:55
to drive, Josie's like, uh -uh, don't do it.
29:58
And he like pulls three feet out, a semi hits
30:01
him and his car explodes. Like what the fuck
30:05
is in that car? Fireball. Yeah. Like that, that
30:08
part of the movie, I was just like, what? Yeah.
30:11
Happened. I thought the waiter was going to like,
30:13
just come out and fucking knife him. Like the
30:15
waiter, he. threatened like two scenes earlier
30:18
yeah he's like i gotta close up i gotta close
30:20
up oh that waiter oh that waiter was a dick yeah
30:24
i knew he was about to die i just didn't see
30:27
death by exploding car after semi -truck collision
30:31
being the cause yeah like that's that's the weirdest
30:36
weirdest way to introduce his death like because
30:38
you're right he he threatens this waiter earlier
30:41
because they go out on a fancy date and uh for
30:43
jewel's birthday yeah for jewel's birthday and
30:45
she's like kind of it's kind of all she wants
30:49
yeah so she has her shoes off and the waiter
30:51
comes over and is a super dick and he's just
30:55
like well as you learn to use plates and napkins
30:57
you know it's like oh fuck off dude yeah he was
31:00
a fucking piece of shit But yeah, Harry Dean
31:03
Stanton then threatens to kill that guy. Oh,
31:05
and he has such a good scene of it, too. Like
31:07
he pockets one of the knives off the table and
31:11
then gets it right up the nose. Yeah. So, yeah,
31:14
like to your point, Sean, like it would have
31:16
been more interesting, I think, in a lot of ways,
31:17
if that guy had been like, fuck this guy, I'm
31:20
going to get mine, you know, but instead it's
31:22
just a random truck and your car full of explosives.
31:28
He got he got he got little girl in Wicker Man
31:31
for real. Yeah, that's exactly what I thought.
31:37
Nick Cage wakes up on a dock. That's the scene.
31:43
sees harry dean stanton in the water dives in
31:45
after him the water explodes what so he's dead
31:52
then they see his grave and it's like oh that's
31:55
your daddy it's like oh fuck why didn't you tell
31:58
me well he was worried he was a failure we're
32:00
all failures yeah that was like the one like
32:04
that was the one line that really like i really
32:07
enjoyed his jewel is like it's easier to say
32:09
than to live with oh yeah yeah i really like
32:12
that that was probably my most uh impactful line
32:17
if i had to pull one from this film it's a solid
32:20
line it's a great scene that again just falls
32:24
flat because nothing really builds to it there's
32:28
no like emotional arc there yeah it was pretty
32:30
weak throughout it was definitely i don't know
32:34
even a tertiary concern if that yeah That delivery.
32:38
I really liked Franco in that his reaction to
32:42
the lines were really good. I felt like his emotions
32:46
were pretty justified. Franco does have some
32:49
good like cage out freak outs in this film. Oh,
32:53
like when he and Scott Kahn are double teaming
32:57
those sisters. Yeah. Oh, and when he's like finds
33:01
out she's like addicted to cough syrup. Yeah.
33:04
Which also that was such a fucking weird thing.
33:07
We pivot. We pivot. OK, so he he goes on this
33:10
double date with his buddy in Texas who ends
33:13
up not being able to get him a bookstore job.
33:15
Scott Kahn of gone in 60 seconds. Kahn in 60
33:19
seconds. Kahn in 60 seconds. Son of James Kahn
33:22
of Hollywood. No, that's the fucking flying Elvis's
33:28
one. Oh, Honeymoon in Vegas. Honeymoon in Vegas.
33:31
Yeah. That's his dad. Oh, nice. Yeah. Well, you
33:34
know, I see it. I see it a lot. Yeah. So they
33:37
go on a double date with these sisters and obviously
33:41
they end up back at sister's house. And so Franco
33:46
hooks up with this chick. They're in bed and
33:49
she's like, oh, my God, you're so good at that.
33:51
You should do that for a living. He's like, oh,
33:53
I do. And then he explains all this thing about
33:55
like being a whore. uh in his words i'm a whore
34:00
then she's she gets uncomfortable and then she
34:03
goes to the bathroom and she's just drinking
34:06
cough syrup and he interrupts her and is like
34:09
what's this and he starts getting super fucking
34:12
aggro about it and he's like oh you're addicted
34:15
you're addicted to coding and he's smashing things
34:17
and he's just pulling everything out he's yelling
34:19
and he's freaking out he's fucking naked and
34:22
We never saw Franco's dong. No, no dong. Yeah,
34:26
close. We got close a couple times. A lot of
34:28
almost dong. A lot of butt. Lots of James Franco
34:31
butt. Very fit James Franco. Yeah. At least three
34:36
sets of boobs. Okay, so there was codeine woman.
34:41
Codeine woman. There was the older woman trick
34:44
that he used to have. Right. And, oh, the woman
34:48
at the, like, fancy party? No, he just like tore
34:52
her top. Oh, no. What about the cop one? Yeah.
34:57
No, we didn't actually get to see that because
35:00
he gets her on the bed and handcuffs her. There's
35:04
a scene where he's requested to go for a dress
35:07
event and it's he has to dress up like a cop
35:09
and do cop stuff. And then he has to fuck her
35:12
with the nightstick. Yeah. And she sucks off
35:14
the nightstick. It's like everything about that,
35:16
like. fuck cops but not that way yeah i'm really
35:20
glad he looked as uncomfortable with that situation
35:23
as i felt yeah so i'll re -watch it someday and
35:27
i'll i'll text everybody that listens to this
35:30
all 13 of you uh what that boob was the missing
35:34
boob the missing boob yeah the okay one of the
35:38
things we mentioned in that though they they
35:40
get um he and mina savari get contracted to go
35:45
to like a double date you know you fucked the
35:48
man i fucked the guy or the the lady and um oh
35:52
gosh yeah and it's like this big fancy party
35:55
and there's this scene where he's like eating
35:59
a sandwich in the kitchen oh yeah crushing it
36:02
into his fucking mouth and I don't know. I can't
36:06
remember. I think I was talking to you when I
36:08
was coming back from somewhere the other day.
36:10
And there was some comedian a while ago that
36:12
was making fun of James Franco, maybe at his
36:14
roast back in like 20 or 2006 or something like
36:18
that. They were just like, James Franco just
36:20
always looks like a person who's eaten a white
36:23
bread sandwich. And you can just see the like
36:25
leftover white bread in the mouth, like stuck
36:27
in the teeth. And that's exactly what I was thinking
36:30
about that moment. And then immediately he's
36:32
just like, I'm going to fuck you. Yeah. Tears
36:34
her blouse and throws her on the ground. Yeah.
36:36
He had no fucking care for like, I don't know.
36:41
fucking rhyme or reason in that it was just like
36:44
oh okay well the party's over i got caught eating
36:48
a sandwich in the kitchen better fuck this hoe
36:51
better fucker and then we're gonna go watch you
36:53
mina safari fuck this dude and he's just gonna
36:56
be like oh gee whiz gee oh gee whiz that's it
37:00
that's it gee whiz i loved how like fucking exasperated
37:04
her face was during that whole fucking scene
37:07
that was a great scene but the fucking wildest
37:09
part was when the kids come in at the end oh
37:12
dad are you done fucking your horse yeah your
37:19
casual saturday night yeah i can't wait to throw
37:24
a fancy dress party you're all invited oh thanks
37:30
i wear a turtleneck so i think we're at the point
37:37
we got to talk about Nick Cage we got to talk
37:39
about Nick Cage in this movie and his performance
37:41
and like the weirdness of the insertion of him
37:44
as a character um but like I do I do understand
37:48
why Tommy Wiseau saw this movie and was like
37:53
franco that's my guy because of these scenes
37:56
where he's like fucked up he's crying he's like
37:59
intense he's all over the place he's violent
38:01
he's crazy yeah like i that's the part that i'm
38:04
sure he watched and was like he's a slave to
38:06
the emotions right oh actually uh mentioning
38:10
that real quick before we get into like right
38:12
before the acid yellow scene When he's super
38:17
drunk and he's just outside that bar and there's
38:19
the time lapse. Oh, yeah. And he's just standing
38:21
there with like the like the classic hurricane
38:24
kind of glass. And everybody's like zipping around
38:28
behind him. But he's just kind of wobbling because
38:30
he's so fucked up. I thought that was really
38:32
well. That was cool. I like that a lot. That
38:34
was a good shot. Oh, my thought there was just
38:37
like the return of a guano vision. Oh, yeah.
38:39
Well, it was also like I think Whippet was playing
38:43
in the background of that scene, too. great just
38:46
like again like sound design music design in
38:49
this was really really well done yeah a lot of
38:52
the technical aspects of this film were very
38:54
tight yeah so yeah nick k nick cage's character
38:58
acid yellow is introduced right after this bender
39:02
scene um right after harry dean stanton's death
39:05
franco find out about his father goes on this
39:08
bender um and shows up at the door of the pimp
39:13
acid yellow um Because he wants to he wants a
39:16
date, but with a man and just this were introduced
39:19
to one of the weirdest Nick Nick cages ever.
39:24
Fake nose. Classic of this era. The season three.
39:27
Yeah. What is with the prosthetic noses? Why?
39:32
I think I think that it was something that he
39:34
was doing for a period of time that helped him.
39:36
Like, I'm a new character. Right. He was going
39:39
through shit like he was fucking with his teeth.
39:42
He was fucking with like. his hairline all this
39:45
stuff it's like you get to be a new person if
39:48
you like change some part of it allowed him to
39:50
disassociate with the celebrity nick cage to
39:54
do these indie things i mean that's my that's
39:56
my stretch on it i don't know or he just is like
39:58
i'm gonna be a weird dude in a ferrari who goes
40:01
is everyone okay yeah i don't know yeah it was
40:09
it was a choice but yeah so he has like five
40:14
minutes less than five minutes of screen time
40:16
and most of what we see of him is through blitzed
40:20
out first person yeah drunko vision is a good
40:23
way to put it yeah sort of fisheye flared out
40:26
on the edges I'm not the biggest fan of drunk
40:32
drunk vision in a film as a device unless like
40:35
especially this late in the game but the juxtaposition
40:39
of like Nick Cage, all blurry and like blitzed
40:42
out from Franco's point of view. And then just
40:45
turning to Franco and it just being kind of a
40:47
normal shot because no one else is that gone.
40:51
The group, the green poodle on the bar was green
40:55
and red. Yeah. A weird mini poodle. Yeah. I don't,
41:00
I didn't understand that. I didn't understand
41:02
most anything about that. It was a very eccentric.
41:04
Yeah. Like home. And it's so, it's so out of,
41:10
it's so tonally out there for this film. Like
41:14
it, it's a different film and it's not a good
41:17
film at that point. It's a very brief sequence,
41:20
but it just like it. it takes what trust we have
41:24
in the storytelling up to this point it's like
41:26
all right we're done i will add just like a point
41:30
for clarification uh in this scene he didn't
41:34
show up there because he wanted to fuck a dude
41:36
he showed up there yeah because he had some extra
41:40
energy to burn as you said and he was clearly
41:44
just going there to beat somebody up and The
41:48
time of the film, yes, he's going to go up and
41:50
beat up a gay guy because nobody's going to report
41:54
it. This did have my favorite quote of the entire
41:57
movie. It was Nick Cage. He does a line and he
42:01
goes, I love Kukak. That was my quote, too. I
42:08
like that. Yeah. No, it's just it's sick cane
42:14
sword, though. Nick Cage pulls out a cane sword.
42:16
He does pull out a cane sword. But it's also
42:19
like the oldest like schlubby man running after
42:22
someone like I'm going to get you. You know,
42:24
I even watch this on one and a half speed because,
42:26
you know, I do. Yeah. Yeah. Even that I was like,
42:29
that's slow, dude. That's a slow run. I just
42:34
like for me, like the way you put it, Nick, makes
42:38
a lot of sense in terms of like why he would
42:40
like go there to beat up a guy. same effect you
42:44
could have just had him fight a guy in a bathroom
42:45
you could have had him just pick up a john and
42:47
do it like the whole the nick cage of it all
42:49
and going specifically to a male whorehouse it
42:54
didn't need to be there it didn't need to be
42:56
its own location and i feel like even for the
42:58
timing of this film like a lot of the implications
43:00
of nick cage's character are in poor taste yeah
43:05
i just i just like this movie loses loses half
43:10
a star just for this losing half a point just
43:13
for this scene it's kind of too bad because i
43:15
feel like had he not included himself in that
43:18
crazed character this movie would be better it's
43:22
it's kind of still how i feel about the whole
43:24
thing it's like it's all sort of like a medium
43:26
good for me and this makes it like a little dip
43:31
where it could have just maintained the medium
43:33
good like i don't think this movie is like oh
43:35
fuck what a transcendent piece of art but it's
43:39
something you know yeah no it's got legs to it
43:42
yeah clear like i said clearly everyone involved
43:45
cared about what they were making yeah yeah which
43:48
is not what i was expecting going into this entire
43:50
week you know no i expected this to be a muff
43:52
a must a muff a muff i also expected muff i expected
43:59
this to be a must a much i expected this to be
44:04
a much rougher watch before before we get into
44:09
the kjo grid the very limited grid we can have
44:14
for this one i do want to just discuss the end
44:16
of the film where like god name sorry my brain
44:19
today uh girlfriend yeah carol uh carol um the
44:25
guy the gets a car from he's a car dealer and
44:33
he's like oh is it the same dude yeah yeah that's
44:37
why at the end she's like he wants the car back
44:40
we're gonna drive it to mexico got it yeah okay
44:42
uh so it's she says a couple times in the movie
44:45
that every time like he always asks her to marry
44:47
him and so since frank goes like we're not we're
44:50
not leaving i'm not leaving this life you know
44:52
she's like he's gonna ask me again i'm gonna
44:54
say yes and she does so they go to drive off
44:58
and there's the scene where like she's crying
45:01
in the car and like franco's running up after
45:05
her and they have the moment in the street where
45:07
they embrace hard cut to franco just in front
45:10
of his mom's door again i'm like i like that
45:13
yeah yeah i like the reality of that yeah the
45:18
of the person imagining a better life but like
45:21
unwilling to take the steps to do it for themselves
45:24
yeah and just living in the fucking shit that
45:29
they've developed for themselves yeah it's fucking
45:32
real yeah the ending um the the scene with the
45:36
mom uh saying you know um it's easier to say
45:40
we're all fuck -ups than hard it's harder to
45:41
live with that with that like um his his freak
45:45
out in the bathroom with a girl and like how
45:47
it's supposed to be different on like this side
45:49
of things like there's all these little moments
45:51
of genius like that like if we could extrapolate
45:55
that into a whole film great movie instead we
45:58
just kind of get these small little kind of hints
46:01
of it all yeah and it doesn't hold together which
46:04
is really i think the shame of this film and
46:07
makes me wish nick cage maybe directed another
46:10
film yeah so he kind of got into this window
46:12
where it was like this movie was panned critically
46:15
it made no money you know it was a total fucking
46:19
loss like what 130 000 worldwide yeah like disgustingly
46:23
small amount of money that's 130 000 yeah i think
46:29
that there's a part of it that like it tied into
46:31
the weird like tax failure of the next decade
46:36
that he has you know where it's like I can't
46:39
take risks. I can't do this and like fall back
46:42
on, you know, my fortune or my name or any of
46:45
these things that like I think he he stopped
46:48
directing because this hit at the wrong time.
46:52
And that sucks because it's actually not bad.
46:55
Yeah, I would love to see him try again. Yeah.
46:59
And he might never, you know. No, he probably
47:02
won't. We'll probably never see another Nicolas
47:05
Cage directed piece. And it's too bad. Yeah,
47:08
because it really is not bad. And, you know,
47:11
he he managed to get a crew together and like
47:14
good actors and like James Franco aside, you
47:18
know, he was a hot commodity at that point. Like
47:21
the people he surrounded himself with were artists
47:24
with a vision that seemed to jive with what he
47:27
was doing. And it fucking worked like it's way,
47:30
way better and way prettier and way more put
47:33
together than I ever thought that this was going
47:35
to be going into this. at a time where like his
47:39
like a -list stardom was waning as well like
47:43
this would have been a great transition if this
47:45
would have if this would have worked out yeah
47:47
um in retrospect kind of glad it didn't because
47:49
now we have like pig and mandy and joe but totally
47:53
you know imagine a world where like nick cage
47:55
kept making movies kept like directing what it
48:01
wait in what way like just remained an a -lister
48:05
forever Oh, sure, sure. No, I think Sean meant
48:08
more, like, if he had the chance to become a
48:10
director instead of... Like, if this movie would
48:13
have hit, would he have, like, pivoted more to
48:15
behind -the -scenes work? Right. I think he's
48:19
always been a movie star. Yeah. Like, he's always
48:22
described himself as a movie star. So, like,
48:25
dipping his toes in here and there, probably.
48:27
But, yeah, I mean, like, to your point, though,
48:30
like, that would be crazy to lose Nicolas Cage
48:33
as an actor. Right. Or just at least we might
48:37
have gotten less. I mean, certainly season one
48:39
and season two would be different. Yeah. All
48:42
right. Well, let's just do the grid because we
48:46
have to. Good movie, good cage, bad movie, bad
48:50
cage, good, bad, bad, good. Yeah. Where do you
48:53
put this one? All my critiques of the movie aside,
48:56
it's well made. It's the people who make it care
48:59
what they're doing. It's like that comes through
49:03
very well. And that. means a lot as you know
49:06
for me it's not boring um it just you know is
49:10
missing some could have used an edit uh i think
49:13
the movie was over edited yeah or got over edited
49:17
there's an editing issue i think the movie itself
49:21
is pretty good nick cage is the worst part of
49:25
this film yes yeah as an actor right right nick
49:30
what do you think uh i totally agree for once
49:34
um i hate to put that on right on record but
49:39
yeah uh nicholas cage is a we got a bad performance
49:42
in a movie that is structurally sound yeah so
49:47
it's a good film if you're interested in character
49:53
work that doesn't have a lot of like action to
49:58
it it's pretty solid film yeah i agree So next
50:03
episode, we've got the ant bully, which I'm sure
50:07
is going to be a very, very different vibe. I
50:09
can't wait to hear how many times they say whore.
50:12
Oh, so many. You're just an ant whore. Yeah.
50:15
Well, you're a whore, ant. There's probably like
50:17
a special ant word for whore. We're going to
50:22
pick it up. We're going to find out. Yeah. Yeah.
50:24
He plays like a wizard. I don't know. I think
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he shrinks a boy. That sounds bad. So bad. Wait,
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he's not the titular ant bully? Well, so the
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ant bully, the main character is a turd to ants
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in his yard because he is being bullied by a
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human bully. And then he's projecting. So he's
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like the destroyer of their world. So the ants
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do magic and shrink him. So then it's a honey,
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I shrunk the kid situation. Nice. And I think
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the antagonist is a person hired to kill ants
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in the yard. Mm hmm. Like or exterminator. Or
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Orkin? An Orkin. Yeah. Okay. John Orkin. Well,
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I can't remember. What's that? An Orkin man.
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Yeah, an Orkin man. Okay. So I think that's it.
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But yeah, Nick Cage is the wizard who shrinks
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the boy. His name is like Zok or Zog or I don't
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know. Fucking ant shit. Ant shit. Yeah. Whatever
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the racist or. you know misogynistic word for
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racist against ants i guess it's speciesist speciesist
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i can't wait to get speciesist on something fuck
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them grasshoppers yeah fucking hoppers oh god
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i don't like that at all this already feels dangerous
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all right thank you all for listening thank you
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to our sparkle buddies josh josie matt adam bill
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stewart and willow and our Rage Dancers, John
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Freeman, Nathan and Cameron and to Bill Panks
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for our intro music. And yeah, that's fucking
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it. Come back for the ant bully and figure out
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what ant racism is. Speciesism. Speciesism. Spisms.
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I don't like it. I don't like it at all. Yeah.
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Fucking hopper lover. Bye bye. bye bye all right
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that's good enough hold on wait before you stop
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that i've got something that i brought here for
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us oh lord what is it what is it i got this in
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the mail today I don't know what this is, Sean.
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What could I have gotten in the mail today? I'm
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about to watch Nick murder Peter. It's terrifying.
52:57
It's a knife. It's a gun from the mail. Yes!
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It's the LaBuzzy! We got a LaBuzzy! Send me a
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photo that I'll put it on our fucking Instagram.
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Oh my god, it even says Buzzballs on it. Oh my
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god. That's fucking fantastic. I love the LaBuzzy.