Latest / More Organised Less Clutter / 246. Why You Can’t Stay Organised (It’s Not Laziness)
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- speaker-0: Welcome to More Organized Less Clutter, a podcast to empower individuals and neurodivergent families with practical, realistic tools to create a more organized, sensory-friendly, clutter-free, and intentional home that works with your lifestyle and brain, not against it. I'm Norelle King, a professional organizer and neurodivergent mum who understands the unique challenges of family life. I help people just like you simplify your space. Build sustainable organizational systems and create more breathing room physically and mentally. Every fortnight you'll hear solo episodes and guest conversations filled with practical strategies on decluttering, home organization, routines for neurodivergent families, mindful living, and how to build a home that feels safe, calm and functional. You'll walk away with actionable takeaways you can implement even if you only have 10 minutes to spare. Ever looked around at the clutter and feel completely overwhelmed? Secretly wondering if you're just lazy? Today I'm more organized, less clutter. Claudia from Wolf Therapies and I unpack how neurodivergence, emotional blocks, and that harsh inner critic can quietly sabotage your motivation and organization. Claudia talks about when you work with your brain, usually using gentle therapy techniques like parts work. real life visualization with myself, which she does during the podcast, and a workspace that actually fits your wiring, you can feel more motivated and organized and less overwhelmed without forcing yourself into systems that were never designed for you. If you're tired of feeling ashamed about your clutter and want compassionate practical tools to calm your mind, quieten the shame and finally create a supportive environment that works for your neurodivergent brain. Then keep listening. This conversation is also a video recording that you can watch on YouTube. Let's jump into this more organized less clutter episode with Claudia from Wolf Therapies. Today, a more organized Less Clutter. I'm talking with Claudia from Wolf Therapy. She's an accredited mental health worker, trauma therapist, and trainer for therapist. She uses neurodivergent affirming, EMDR, and parts work therapy in supporting her clients. Claudia is going to be sharing the hidden emotional blocks behind lack of motivation and disorganization and some a practical therapy technique to use to feel motivated immediately. Welcome, Claudia. speaker-1: Hi, thanks Noral. It's good to be. speaker-0: No, it's so great that you can make the time to come in here and I'm really looking forward to seeing how you actually use the therapy as well. Yeah. So share with us then so people can get to know you a little bit. If you were a Barbie doll, what two accessories would you come with? speaker-1: Look, so being neurodivergent, I probably would have the same accessories in different colour. Like, you know, my so I like to repeat the wardrobe. I like to have, you know, find something I like and I like the fabric, I like the fit. So yes, I think whatever it is, it'll probably be ⁓ probably my compression leggings. That's really boring, but that's essential part of of having pots and and those sorts of things. ⁓ and just some, yeah, some grey wash t shirts and ⁓ a jacket with, you know, different different neutral, earthy shades but in the same style. speaker-0: Yeah. And what about the little like if you came with accessories the little Yeah, yeah, that are your hobbies. speaker-1: ⁓ I don't know, yoga mat Yoga mat Barbie. I'm just not a hobby person. Although no, I'm trying to be creative. So I've started watercoloring. So let's just say let's just say some watercolour paints or something, 'cause I'm I'm not into like clothes and bags ⁓ yeah bags and shoes and things, so speaker-0: Definitely. And Or also I could imagine you also coming with even a computer because you love researching and you love learning new things as well, don't you? speaker-1: When someone says hobby, I'm like, ⁓ job is my like my trauma work is my special interest. So yes. And I even do our tools. Yeah. speaker-0: Yes. ⁓ yes, definitely. You would have those with you as well. Yeah. So if I could work with you as a professional organizer for a day, a whole day, what area would you like support? speaker-1: ⁓ gosh. Well you know the answer to that. Probably ⁓ probably my meal prep and planning is is the area that lets me down the most with my neurodivergent brain. but I just love general organization, so we'd probably just get through as much of the house as possible. But definitely the the meal prep planning kitchen stuff. speaker-0: Yeah. What about your work stuff? Like do you feel that you're really organized with that? Like it's in, you know, the back end of your things. Admin stuff. Yeah. speaker-1: It's not optimized, but it it's not like it's not shoddy, you know, I get through stuff. ⁓ there's definitely room for improvement for sure. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. But you're not scrambling going, ⁓ my gosh, where is everything? So speaker-1: Other than this morning when I went to log in and all of a sudden it took me to a map and I thought, ⁓ my gosh, this is actually meant to be in person. ⁓ and I panicked. That was a scramble. But other than that, I'm I'm yeah, I found my own rhythm working. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. Then and that makes a difference, doesn't it? Having working for yourself and knowing what you can do. So what are some of those strengths that you bring to your to your business that are also unique? speaker-1: to my business or to my work as such, but you know, as a therapist, ⁓ I'm very ⁓ I'm not really sort of into the clinical vibe and and some people really want that structure and clinical vibe in their therapy, but for me I'm much more human, much more kind of open, I've got a lot of lived experience, I'm neurodivergent, ⁓ I've sort of lived with chronic pain and and chronic conditions. ⁓ I yeah, I'm a mother, so I think it's that sort of understanding, you know, I attract the the kinds of clients I attract are generally neurodivergent or mothers or people that are bit sort of more spiritual leaning. And so people I can kind of connect with ⁓ in that way. I think it's that just humanness, that connection. Yeah. Rather than just being this kind of professional expert. speaker-0: Yeah. And your beautiful space that you do you have created in your studio that ⁓ people who come for in person sessions ⁓ I sa think also is really beautiful and inviting and sort of that relaxed feeling. speaker-1: Yes, I absolutely love where I work. We sort of it was meant to be just a a bit of a retreat that I took it over as my workspace. And it's just it's just beautiful. And I work with people for three or six days, ⁓ which probably sounds a bit strange. But yeah, it's just I love them to come in, I feed them, I nurture them as best I can, I put a blanket on them and we do the work and I just want it to feel really special. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, which is great. And just that is another part of I think your whole unique part of your business is creating that environment for them to feel safe and and trust you as well. speaker-1: Yeah, definitely. And especially since I only work intensively, I only do really, really short term ⁓ work with clients, but we go really, really deep. ⁓ I think that's really important to have that trust and that safety. speaker-0: Yeah, definitely, definitely. So why do people, especially neurodivergent people, become really overwhelmed and experience blocks or motivation when it comes to organization? And especially like admin is another big part that I find with ⁓ clients as well, and trying to get started on those tasks. speaker-1: Yeah, look, I mean it's multifaceted. Obviously there's lots of different layers to this. But you know, I think when when people ⁓ lack motivation or, you know, this sense of I I you know I can't get motivated or I'm really you know, really struggling to I guess it's that sort of inertia, you know, like trying to get ⁓ through kind of a block ⁓ of getting started, particularly with a neurodivergent nervous system. I think ⁓ for a long time we're told we're lazy, we lack discipline, we don't maybe we don't care enough, maybe Just try harder, just you know, and so that internalizes us a lot of shame. It internalizes particularly late diagnosed folk as well, but never really kind of understood why maybe ⁓ things were different for them. So ⁓ you know, internalizing that shame, sometimes these tasks can become almost like a threat to our nervous system. And that can sound traumatic, but you know, just a simple task that is maybe supposed to be easy for most people for a neurodivergent brain. It is not just neurodivergent people, other people experience this of course, but ⁓ you know, this task that that can is supposedly be simple might be more complicated for an neurodivergent brain. ⁓ and so that becomes really threatening. But also just this kind of ⁓ this overwhelm, this you know, the sensory overwhelm of of getting your hands wet to wash the dishes or you know, there's a there's a lot of layers to it. But often it's just being told you're disorganized, you're not going about things the right way, you're too sensitive, you're you're too messy or cluttered or ⁓ often perfectionism can come in with a neurodivergent brain, that kind of re ⁓ I don't like the word rigidity from a negative politician, but we can be quite ⁓ stuck or set in our ways and if we can't do it perfectly, ⁓ we don't want to do it at all. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a client at the moment you just thought of, and like her family will tell her, you know, you need to have your bench clear, free of clutter. But actually we've set it up now. So it's not going to be free, but it's set up so she's got a place to put things. So like a little home of some kind, but it still looks for her. That's how she wants it to look still. So she knows so she can see the items rather than Everything's hidden away and then she'll have no idea where things are. So it's working with her brain rather than against speaker-1: Yeah, and it's an out of sight, out of mind, isn't it? For a lot of ⁓ new divergent people, particularly ADHDers, if they can't see something, they forget it exists and they won't do it. or you know, for me, I get overwhelmed by clutter. I like a lot of clear spaces, but I also have that issue with if I can't see it, I might forget to do it. So it's always at balance for me. But ⁓ you know, other people I I've worked in offices, I've shared offices with people where there is not a clear space, everything is everywhere, ⁓ but they need that. That's how they work. And if someone were to go in and tidy up for them, ⁓ they would be so lost. So it it you know, it just goes to show how we've got to work with our brain, we've got to work with our our wiring and what works for us won't work for the next person. And and often there's this sense from kind of a neurotypical perspective that we have to ⁓ do things the right way. But if if that doesn't sort of build that momentum for us, if we don't have that proper scaffolding that our brains need. You know, that can lead to the sensory overwhelm, ⁓ you know, being stuck in transitions, shutting down. ⁓ the perfectionism is a big one for me. I get I go into like a freeze mode. ⁓ and fatigue. There's there's decision fatigue, there's physical fatigue. We know neurodivergent people often, you know, experience other co-occurring things like disordinomia or MCAS or chronic fatigue, the ⁓ inflammatory conditions, physical ⁓ you know. physical limitations, there's a lot of things that go along with neurodivergence that we're learning more and more about. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. But it's that internalization because when I first met this client, she was like, ⁓ my family tell me I'm just so messy. I'm just disorganized. I'm such such a clutter clutter bug. And I was like, No, no, no. We just need to make it work for your brain. But I don't think you need to move anything. We just need to maybe put it into little categories. But no. And so it's funny to see her she's internalized this from family members when they come to visit her in her own home, which is really sad. speaker-1: Yeah. And that ties back to that shame. It ties back to that there's something wrong with me or I'm different and and other people's perspectives can really weigh in on that. But you know, even just the doom pile. I don't know if your clients have that, but that didn't organize only move. And ⁓ I have a few Doom Piles. I tidy mine away, but I've definitely got some baskets of drawers. It's like that's the Doom pile and everything else can stay kind of you know, relatively clear from the outside. But you know, we all need, we all need that. Doom room or doom basket or doom pile for sure. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, that we delayed, we're gonna make it those decisions, but it's just not today. We don't have the spoons to be able to do it. speaker-1: Definitely. And I also as a therapist work with parts work. So I you know, in my speaker-0: Hearts work. Tell us a little bit about speaker-1: So in in my in my trauma work, that's where I work with those things of like that internalized shame or perfectionism or ⁓ those sorts of things. And so often there is this strong psychological component ⁓ of being neurodivergent not quite ever fitting in or quite matching the expectations. But as a parts work therapist, this is also a lens of looking at we we're not just, you know, this person from the outside, we're we're made up of all different parts of personality and Essentially a part is just a brain network. It's just a connection, a neural network, a connection in our brain based on past experience. But the way we conceptualize it is, you know, we might have the motivated part, we might have the organized part, we might have the lover loving part, we might have a nurturing part, we might have an angry part. And so, you know, ⁓ when we respond to our environment or the people around us, we're we're operating from just one part of us. That's based on our past experience. So if you were in school and you were told all the time you were lazy, you were unmotivated, you were not going to get anywhere, my big one was ⁓ very smart, but needs to apply herself because I never studied. I just got the grades and I just never learned how to sit down and study because that was so boring. ⁓ so you know, we ⁓ if you've been told, you sort of develop this part that internalizes this message. And so when you're then under threat, because you associate that with getting in trouble, ⁓ then when you're under threat or you feel like, ⁓ my mum's coming over, I've got to tidy up, that part recognizes that sense of being in trouble. And then it will be the part that comes kind of conscious, I suppose, or or that's sort of active at the time. And so when we experience threat, we might shut down, we might run away, we might avoid, we might ⁓ procrastinate, we might get mad. ⁓ based on those different parts of us. Just like if we have a, you know, ⁓ a really engaged, hyper fixated part. That's the part that's operating with the world. But if that part's not in the driver's seat at any given time, it's hard to access those things. So yeah, this talk is a little bit, you know, it's hard sometimes for people to get their head around. Although I'm surprised how many people go, Yep, that makes sense. That's why one day I can be like this, one day I'm like this. A different drive different parts of us in the driver's seat and and neurodivergent people tend to feel quite multifaceted. You know, there's me in this environment, me with this person, me with that person, but where's ⁓ where's my sense of just oneself? speaker-0: Yeah, I I really like that parts, especially I hear that from clients when they talk about different people coming to their house and how they feel. So they actually talk about it in parts without even knowing that they have these separate parts. And I mean, I didn't understand that either until you've just cleared it up, which makes so much sense. ⁓ yeah. So then how do how do you work with those different parts? What are some of the techniques that you use? speaker-1: Yeah, so I I'll I would love to demo one on you if you if you're willing to just to summarize just to summarize sort of the different ways of of different parts is you know often parts ⁓ often we do have a bit of a trauma history or some adversity. So I you know, if if people are feeling they're really struggling with a lot of shame, for example, ⁓ I definitely always recommend seeing a therapist do some of that that trauma work, particularly someone who's neuroaffirming and really understands ⁓ neurodivergent beings. Absolutely. And again, this goes for neurotypical people as well. ⁓ but you know, you need someone who's sort of tuned in to what your needs are. ⁓ so yeah, some of those messages can truly show up as a threat response and and truly get in the way of maybe our values or what we want to be doing in life. ⁓ but also I find mostly these these parts need a lot of compassion. So, you know, for me, I go through seasons, my chronic pain might flare up, I might just, you know, spend too much time scrolling or you know, struggling to get out to get in and do and do the organized things I need to do. And I'll keep comparing myself to, ⁓ my gosh, last month I was I organized the whole house. I was over everything. I was doing my social media for my business. I was doing that. It's easy to go, ⁓ why can't I be like that? What's wrong with me? I'm, you know, et cetera. So often it's just giving ourselves a little bit of ⁓ compassion and soothing when these parts are in the driver's seat that don't have as much it things aren't as accessible to us. ⁓ we we're not able to access those other parts. ⁓ it's just having that that self-compassion and you know, it's often ⁓ I've got a little meditation on my on my YouTube to cringe, but ⁓ I've got a little meditation on my YouTube and I've got a few little resources on my website as well about how we can kind of notice how we're feeling in the moment and just sort of go to ourselves, what part of me is this? ⁓ this is a a part that feels really young. And just and you know, this this is a part of me that feels like I get in trouble all the time or I'm judged. ⁓ and you know, just putting your hand on your heart or or somewhere something like that, just sort of visualizing supporting that little part and going, it's okay, you need rest. It's okay to ⁓ you know, not show up in the way today that you you wish you were showing up in. So there's some little mini things that that people can do as well. ⁓ and then of course working with someone like yourself ⁓ could be useful, you know, things like scaffolding. ⁓ this is more in a practical sense, but You know, for me, if I'm really struggling with motivation, I'll boil the kettle, make a cup of tea, and in that three minutes, I have to work flat out, like unpack the dishwasher or do something like that. And you know, you can do a lot when there's that demand is taken away. It's only three minutes. Or I might ⁓ might know that I need to vacuum, so I put the vacuum cleaner out. So when I that mood comes, I don't have to like pull it out and plug it in and work out where it's gonna go, etc. ⁓ and then I'll put on three songs and go I just have to do this for three songs and then usually I just keep going because once I'm starting, it's it's a lot easier. ⁓ so yeah, that was more of a a practical sense rather than a therapeutic sense. But I do work with people to build in these little kind of similar to what you do, you do it in the home and in a practical sense. I tend to do it just from yeah, obviously running through the person's life and and identifying these areas. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. And then I do the same as you. Like I put if I want to cook something, I put the ingredients on the bench the night before. So I'll be motivated. If I wanted to do clean something in the bathroom, I'll put the spray there and in the morning then I'll do it. Same. Like I use that technique all the time. But interesting to use then that parts and that self compassion to yeah, recognize those parts, you know, that are that are appearing. ⁓ which yeah, which is so beautiful. So What are some of the things that people are listening can explore that might help them with this then? speaker-1: Yeah, so I guess just just those little ⁓ you know, little exercises, little practices, little rituals that can either b you know build that compassion. But sometimes for me I'm at a point where sometimes I just need to activate or get a part in the driver's seat that can kind of ⁓ be what I need to be in that moment. So that's what I'll show you ⁓ show you, Norale. But ⁓ you know, so I'll activate a part of me that sometimes I'm like, I I see the procrastinating part is here and I value and I validate it and I under several etc. But also like I'm I've got to get shit done. So I will do this work. Or another one for me is getting to the gym. Sometimes I really need to activate this part of myself that is ⁓ more appropriate, like right time, right place. ⁓ you know, often people are surprised how they can actually do this. So ⁓ yeah, if if you're if you're gay to be my guinea pig, I can show I can show people how I do this for myself, but how a little bit of a taste of also what is part of my parts work therapy. So Narrell, I'll get you to just think of your life at the moment. So just think of a state or a part of yourself that you would like to see today. So maybe you're feeling a bit tired and you want to find a more ⁓ energized state, or maybe you're feeling nervous and you want a calmer state, or maybe you're not present enough. Yeah, just have a little think about how you'd like to show up today. How would you like to feel today? speaker-0: Yep. So yeah, just definitely more energized because I've had a busy morning and I still have to drive to Calwork and that can be tiring because it's even though it's only an hour, it's just a straight and it's quite a boring drive. So that can be tiring for me. Yeah. I do find that tiring. speaker-1: And do you find you get caught up in the stories as well as like I don't wanna do this, this is I can't do you know, like you get a little bit in your way yourself. speaker-0: It's a little bit probably about yeah, the weather. Like I'll be like, ⁓ it's probably gonna be windy and it's gonna be this on the way there and because I know I'm coming home when it's dark. And whenever I come home from when it's dark that way, it's really dark on the road and it can and generally it seems to rain when I'm on my way back from the air as well. So Yeah. Yeah, that can be a bit of a speaker-1: That Yeah. It can pile on, we can kind of think two steps ahead too, can't we? So you would rather feel about your day, you'd rather feel energized. Would you rather feel quite quite present, like not letting those thoughts kind of skip ahead? Or yeah, yeah. How well? speaker-0: Because I because I actually like going to Collak. I actually like the feel of the town. The town is beautiful and it's really quiet and it's just got a nice feel about it. But it's just the drive. I don't know what it is about the drive. It's just the driving part of it. And maybe just 'cause I've had a few incidents on the way over the last few years doing it ⁓ in bad weather. So yeah, I think that's maybe what's underlying it. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, okay. So you'd rather feel energized, present. ⁓ you'd rather be focused on what you like about the town or what you like about being there, and then you'd rather maybe feel more excited or more, you know, interested in in the journey or you know, where you're going and what you're doing. So if you were feeling energized, if you're feeling present, if you're feeling kind of more excited about being in this place, how would you act? Would you be just sort of like pop a a musical podcast on and like throwing speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Put a podcast on that sort of lifts my mood and something that I maybe wanted to learn about or I heard the episode and I was like, Yeah, because I do like learning in the morning when I'm going somewhere, whereas on the way home, I need to just listen to something that's really easy. So something that I'll be really interested with that maybe I I especially like to find something that the client I'm going to that usually we've got something then to chat about because she loves learning as well. So yeah, if I have something like that, that that seems to help. speaker-1: Okay, all right, so I'll invite you if you feel comfortable to close down your eyes, or maybe you just find a soft gaze. And I want you to just share with me a time, just one specific moment in time. It doesn't have to be related to this scenario. It might be a work example, might be a personal example where you felt energized, you felt kind of excited about what was ahead, you felt quite present. you were able to just focus on putting on something nice for yourself or doing something good for yourself to to support you. It might be a drive ⁓ journey, it might be something else. So you're able to think of a time when you were able to to feel this way. Can you describe it to me? Like like it's happening right now. So you know, I'm in the car or I'm standing on my porch and I'm looking out and the sun sets blah blah blah blah blah. speaker-0: Yeah, it's in the kitchen and it's a sunny day outside and I'm cooking something. It's the weekend, so there's not much going on. And I've got a podcast or a ⁓ audio book on while I'm also cooking and just I'm by myself. There's no one else really around in the house. And yeah, I'm feeling really motivated as I prepare not just one, but maybe like three things at the w same time. Yeah. ⁓ speaker-1: Hi. speaker-0: So it's multitasking. So, you know, if you're I'm making a soup, but then I'm also making a meal because it's using similar ingredients. So just feeling really ⁓ I don't know, just really proud and going, Yes, I've done this and and it's about like using up ingredients in the fridge. So before they're gonna go off. And so yeah, I suppose it's bringing in some of those values, the sustainability and that speaker-1: Okay, so ⁓ all right, I want you to just be there. Can you hear me all right? It's switching a little bit. Okay. All right, we're back. Okay. Yep. Can you hear me okay? Yep. Yes, all right, beautiful. So I just want you to just go get back into that space. You know, you're in the kitchen, it's a sunny day, you're cooking, the weekend, you're alone, not much on, nothing to do, nowhere to be, and you've got this just the podcast on of your choice and speaker-0: Yes. speaker-1: ⁓ you're feeling, you know, as you're preparing these meals, you're motivated, you're multitasking, you're quite proud of sort of what you've sort of planned and pulled out of nowhere in the fridge and and how you're sort of all on top of things. And as you're here in this sunny day and you're you're cooking and you're motivated, what are you feeling in this moment? Are you feeling like you knew sense of pride? Is there some warmth in the body or is there a contentment? Tell me what you're feeling or experiencing. speaker-0: It's probably just yeah, just sort of a relaxed but also excited feeling, knowing that you've produced something that other people in the family can sort of enjoy later. speaker-1: Yeah, yep. So relax, you're excited. Is there sensations that go along with this? speaker-0: like the smell of the cooking. ⁓ yeah, just definitely the smell. I'm not really good at tasting as I go. but yeah I will enjoy the smell of it. ⁓ and I don't mind like the the touch of preparing and I will use my Thermomix so I don't have to cut everything up. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, okay. So you're you're motivated, you're proud, you're relaxed, you're excited, yeah, you've got this sort of is there any other emotions or or feelings that go along with this this being in the kitchen, the sunny day, being relaxed? speaker-0: No, I think that just just a happy feeling. Yeah. ⁓ speaker-1: Yes. So this what could I call this part of you? This relaxed, excited, proud, happy sort of part of you? What's a word or or what could I call this part? speaker-0: can it be just like happy, your happy spot or your happy place? Is that or does it need to be yeah, the actual happy spot? speaker-1: Happy spot. Happy Yep, that's perfect. All right, happy. Thank you. And what a beautiful part of Naell you are. What a wonderful part that's already there and she doesn't even need to, you know, try because you're already part of of Norel. Are you willing to help us, Happy? Are you willing to help Norell with something today? Yeah, I've got a nod there. All right. So, Norrell, ⁓ I'll say this happy part. I just want you to notice this relaxed, this excited, this sort of motivated, this proud part of you. And from this this proud part, I want you proud to ⁓ sorry, happy. I want you to describe to me this drive today. I want you to hop in the driver's seat, literally of the car. And I want you to talk me through like I'm going to hop in the car, I'm thinking about, you know, feeling relaxed. And excited. I'm gonna put on the podcast. Like you're writing your own movie, I guess. Can you describe to me what this this day is like? How you're gonna support this day, Happy? Yeah. speaker-0: So then and then driving down and just witnessing the beautiful ⁓ like garden ⁓ not gardens, ⁓ paddocks because they'll be really green because we've had a lot of ⁓ rain lately and there's lots of animals as well around. And then just looking forward to going through the couple of little towns that you go through before you get there and and just thinking about some of the well, depends on what how how engaging the podcast is. Either thinking about things that relate to the podcast or otherwise just thinking about things that ⁓ that I have done over the past sort of weekend because I had a really nice weekend and quite relaxing. So focusing on some positive things as well. speaker-1: Yeah, beautiful. So as you're driving, so you're driving down the road, you're ⁓ looking over this beautiful paddocks, you're seeing the green, you're noticing these animals, you're sort of anticipating what it's gonna be like to drive through these little towns and and just being there driving, thinking about the podcast or or reflecting back to how relaxing you know the weekend was and and sort of feeling positive. How does that feel for you right now as you're looking at the paddock you're feeling positive? Yeah, it feels good, yeah. speaker-0: Good. speaker-1: Yeah, is there anything else you're feeling or emotions or or feelings in the body? speaker-0: Yeah, maybe just ⁓ calm as well. Mm. speaker-1: Yeah. So you're feeling good. You're feeling calm. All right. So thank you, Happy. Happy, are you are you willing to kind of be in the driver's seat literally today and and figuratively to help Neuro during this drive feel kind of good and calm and positive? speaker-0: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, Peter. speaker-1: Awesome. Well thank you. All right, Navrell. how are you like how are you feeling about your day now? speaker-0: Yes, I'm looking forward to the drive now. Which is good. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. Beautiful. And what was that little exercise like for you? speaker-0: It was good. It was really good. Yeah. I can see that being really beneficial for people in now like just reflecting on it ⁓ when it's quite stressful for them to say organize something or, you know, declutter or even just the thought of it, especially someone who's new to who doesn't know what to expect, but or maybe has had a bad experience with ⁓ decluttering with. Maybe a family member who's just told them they have to get rid of everything and then we come in and go, ⁓ no, you make the decisions. I'm not deciding anything, it's you know, up to you and just giving them a different approach that sometimes that still takes a while because they're not used to that 'cause they've obviously then have this part associated with their decluttering experiences in the past. speaker-1: Yeah. And so what we need is is a part that's more able to handle that or manage that or, you know, the right part in the right place at the right time. So you can see and and the beautiful thing is it doesn't rely on imagination, ⁓ which a lot of ⁓ you know, many neurodivergent people can't visualize. But when we're talking about a memory, we can tap into and remember exactly how it felt because we actually already did it. So it might be that they need a ⁓ strong part that's like going to speak up for themselves or it might be that they need a motivated part or an engaged part or maybe they need to reflect on how good it felt to get through a challenge in the past. Like for me, I'll activate a part walking that that from the past is walked out of my boxing class. when I'm like, I don't want to glory it's cold, I can't be bothered. So I'll like really tap into that part. I'll be like, yes, I feel those endorphins and and activate that part. So yeah, that's just a little a little something that people can play with. ⁓ of finding what, you know, ask yourself, how do I want to feel in this moment? How would I like to act? And finding some sort of experience or memory from the past where you've been able to connect with that even a little bit. In any context, doesn't have to be the same context. It could be a work context for a personal problem. Like if we're at work, we might not have a choice. We have to get into those parts to get work done. It might be that you'd have to. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, really, really useful. And I liked the fact that you said like think of a past experience because if you had said, Imagine a nice place and that, that's when I would have gone, No, I can't, I can't think of that. But because it was a past thing, it definitely helped. Yeah. speaker-1: Yes. Awesome. Well thank you for for putting yourself up for that. speaker-0: ⁓ that's okay. Thank you for doing it. So if people wanted to connect with you, what is the best way for them to connect with you, Claudia? speaker-1: So my website ⁓ is probably the best place. So it's ⁓ wolftherapeutic.com.au. ⁓ I've got an Instagram as well. I'm not particularly good at it, but ⁓ yeah, there's the wolf therapeutic community, which is my business. ⁓ and yeah, as I said on my website I've got lots of free resources. So if someone's interested in having some little techniques ⁓ to have up their sleeve, I've got a few little Yeah, compassionate exercises, some meditation type stuff. I've got a a little mini guide on burnout, which is really relevant to new or it's neurodivergent burnout. ⁓ that's more for therapists, but it can still be a really good read. ⁓ but yes, so my website's got ⁓ how to work with me, because I work in a very specific way, ⁓ but it's also got heaps of ⁓ freebies if that isn't ⁓ something that people feel like is for them, is that intensive model. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, no, I really like that you've got that meditation because that's something that I definitely used myself was those self compassion meditations years ago. They're really, really useful for tapping into yourself and just giving yourself some love, isn't it? speaker-1: Yeah, and the meditation on there is very similar to what I just did with you. So if someone's struggling to do it for themselves, it kind of guides them through a similar process. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. ⁓ that's fantastic. Thank you so much for your time, Claudia, and also for sharing that. I really appreciate. I think that's great for people to see how it works as well. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. Well you tap into that happy part when you get in the car later and say that you go. speaker-0: Thank you so much. I will, I will, I'll let you know. Thank you so much. speaker-1: No worries, I loved it. Thank you. speaker-0: If you find yourself wasting precious time searching for misplaced items and wishing for a more organized life, then you need my 5-minute declutter ebook, the ultimate guide to quick and easy organizing solutions for a clutter-free and happy home. Forget about spending months commaring your house. These fun solutions are designed to give you immediate results in under 5 minutes. Head over to Simply Happy in the resource section and download your free copy and start seeing results in minutes. I'd like to acknowledge the Watherong people of the Kulin Nation on which this podcast is recorded as the traditional custodians of the land. 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