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Everything You Know About Health Is Wrong l Dr. Ahmad Ammous · To The Moon With The Luna's Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: The reason we are so sick is because we're separated from nature.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the way to get better is to reconnect with nature.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's as simple as that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nothing made in a lab is gonna bridge that gap.
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  SPEAKER_02: That gap you can bridge with just living naturally.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that sort of way of thinking empowers people and makes them believe that health is only something that my doctor can give me and what the pharmacy can give me, and nothing I do affects that.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like going back to how Bitcoin gives you autonomy over your money.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thinking this way gives you autonomy over your body.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every choice you make affects the way that you feel.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every choice you make affects your health in 10, 15, 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And once you break out of that way of thinking, you start to feel how your body feels with whatever you put in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think the easiest step for most people is just once you clean your diet and once you eliminate processed food and white sugar, just that simple stuff is gonna make your bodily functions just operate more cleanly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're gonna think more cleanly, you're gonna think more clearly, and you're gonna be able to start feeling how your body feels when you eat different things.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, welcome back to the Moon with the Luna podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: Today we're joined by Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Moose.
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  SPEAKER_03: He is a board-certified internal medicine physician.
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  SPEAKER_03: During his training, he became increasingly dissatisfied with modern medicine's focus on system management rather than restoring health.
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  SPEAKER_03: He therefore uh chose to study nutrition, circadian biology, natural medicine, and lifestyle-based approaches to health.
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  SPEAKER_03: He helps patients restore their health by addressing the root causes of disease.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he's also the brother of Sefidin Amus, who wrote the Bitcoin Standard, which I think is really cool that both of you guys have a presence in the Bitcoin community.
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  SPEAKER_03: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Amus, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are super excited about this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh Bitcoiners are health nuts.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and if you're not, then you like become one along the journey.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um I am super pumped up to have this conversation today.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, just to get started, would you mind just sharing a little bit about your background and kind of how you ended up getting into the medical system?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, ever since I can remember, I've always wanted to be a doctor.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh my dad was a doctor, he was a plastic surgeon.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he worked with a lot of like burn patients, a lot of sad cases, and I I enjoyed seeing the joy on their faces after and how grateful they were for what my dad did.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that was my motivation to get into medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't very good with my hands, so I always knew that I wasn't gonna go into surgery, and I ended up uh doing internal medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: And but even before that, while I was in med school, uh I was just not satisfied with how little we are actually doing to get people better.
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  SPEAKER_02: It seems that, you know, the best that medications can do is get symptoms better by 20 or 30 percent, and you have to be on the medication for the rest of your life, and that was really disappointing for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't what I signed up for, it wasn't why I was I was passionate about this.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh so I wasn't satisfied with the answers I got into medical school, and I started exploring on my own, and that really got me to discover that the medical system is captured, the medical system is completely corrupt, and the medical system aims to just sell people medications and profit off their illnesses rather than getting them better.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Gosh, uh well, you know, it's funny because I'm actually very interested in this because I went through a whole change with medically because when we were having our third, I realized that the system was not there to actually help women in their birthing.
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  SPEAKER_04: And not to say that everyone is that way.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm not, you know, I don't want to say anything, but my eyes were open to a lot of how the medical system worked.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I didn't really want to partake in it, which is sad because wonderful doctors like you, sometimes they hear doctor and they're like, oh, they're just gonna prescribe me something or they're just gonna give me this medication for this or that, and not really get to that root cause, which is something that we both feel very passionate about of getting to what is actually going on and how can we help support what is natural, you know, what's natural to our lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_04: We've been thousands and thousands of years, people have been doing things a certain way, and then all of a sudden, oh no, this medication is gonna work or this, the way this system works, it's gonna help you, you know, have your baby this way and all of that.
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  SPEAKER_04: So it's very interesting what was enlightened to me during that process.
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  SPEAKER_04: It was it's great what you're doing.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, a lot of people think about dieting only as a way to lose weight.
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  SPEAKER_04: How can food also support that healing the and reduce inflammation and just all the things that we're navigating in our society right now?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I think one of the biggest ways we have deviated from what our body actually wants and how our body heals itself and is through our diet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh our diet now is so different than what people ate 50 years ago, and so drastically different than what people ate 100 years ago, and even a lot more than what people ate a thousand years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: We our diet has changed a lot, but our physiology, our ability to digest food has not.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh we are still we still have the same machinery that people have had for thousands of years on how to digest food.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you change the food that signals that your body is getting, it doesn't sit well with your body.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it it's expecting certain nutrients, it's expecting a certain uh ratio of uh nutrients, it's it's expecting food that's unprocessed, that's natural.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you don't give it that, the body is unable to regenerate itself, uh, it's unable to generate the energy that it needs to uh operate properly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is what we see with so many of modern diseases.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I I think the the ideal way to think about diet is don't eat anything that your grandparents didn't eat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't eat anything that is made in a factory and ideally eat things that people would have eaten 2,000 years ago.
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  unknown: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And just just that that simple framework goes a long way into healing gut issues, into healing autoimmune issues.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because so many of the problems we face these days start in the gut and in the fact that we're not getting the the proper nourishment that we need.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, that's so good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, because we don't think about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like we don't ever think about like going back and like how things used to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's so funny because that's how it was with when you're during your Bitcoin journey.
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  SPEAKER_03: A lot of people, you have to study the history of money to like see where we're going.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the same thing with medical.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, what were we eating back then, but also what is our digestive system back then?
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  SPEAKER_03: And now it's the body, it's the same.
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  SPEAKER_03: That is so good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, it I I don't nobody thinks about that, Doctor.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, I also wanted to uh kind of touch on peptides.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know peptides is right now, it's a it's a huge thing, it's a huge deal in the Bitcoin space and just for anybody that's just in health.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, a lot of people say that it's the future of medicine, or it, you know, some of it's overhyped.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you can get this uh online uh from a website or you can go ahead and get it from your doctor as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I just wanted to, if you could just kind of touch on this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, are there any ones that you think that you would recommend or or know about or that are good?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh if you could just share with us what your thoughts are on this, because um I know it's it's a it's a big topic right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I uh I'm not an expert on peptides.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I will tell people though that I'm disappointed by, you know, doctors who claim to be you know more interested in a natural way that are that are now just pushing peptides on people.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh they should be putting more of their effort into, you know, talking to people about diet, talking to people about sunlight exposure, talking to people about living a healthy life rather than uh pushing more uh medications on people.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because the core of the problem with modern medicine is we've gotten to a point where we just think that the fix is always outside of us.
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  SPEAKER_02: The fix is something you buy in a pharmacy or online or on Amazon, something that you take uh orally or you inject in yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is the you know, that disease is just a medication deficiency.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that entire paradigm just needs we need to step out of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh disease is a is caused by your faulty lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh when you're separated from nature, your circadian rhythm is off, your diet is off.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is what causes disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: And no medication will help fix that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are there cases when uh people have tried, you know, fixing their lifestyle and that's still not enough, and then they they might need medication or they might need peptides?
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I prefer to spend my effort into working on people on fixing things naturally rather than through than through peptides.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, the way that peptides work is they try and mimic natural uh uh proteins that we have in our body that our body makes, say like in order to regenerate certain tissue.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we've gotten to a good point where we're capable of isolating these proteins and make them in a lab, and that's what people inject in themselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: But again, it it might be good for a short period of time when you need sort of a way to get over the edge or recover in a certain illness, or you got an injury.
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  SPEAKER_02: But what we are seeing is that you know people love to abuse these things, and it's becoming a thing where you use it every day, and it's just this is my this is my longevity hack, this is my this is my feel-good stack, etc.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I feel that I fear that we're gonna overdo it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And of course there are people online that want to convince you that more is better because they're selling you these products.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's a mess.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would tell people to approach with caution and definitely never use them over the long term or forever.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and to add on that too, because every time I see somebody, right, with let's just say, even if it's a Zempic, uh, where people like, okay, they use this, right, to get to get skinnier or to lose weight, and then it just looks like they go overboard, like you shared.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, like, like they're just like super, everything just seems super skinny.
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  SPEAKER_03: Unhealthy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Unhealthy.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the word, unhealthy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm always like, just stop.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, just get to a certain point and just stop.
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  SPEAKER_03: So my next question for this, when you stop doing one of these things, right, whether it's peptides or osempic or something like that, um, are there huge like uh ramifications like of you getting going back to where you you normally were?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh is that why they keep kind of doing that, or is it just they're just they just they're just abusing it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, unfortunately with the GLP ones, a lot of people regain the weight once they stop them.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that that's uh that's a big problem.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it sort of requires your body to be in this constant uh catabolic or breaking down state.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's very hard for them to kind of build up muscle afterwards and they end up looking very, very skinny and unhealthy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what it does is you know, people who lose uh weight naturally through dieting or exercise or by getting healthy, uh you lose the kind of like the bad fat, the visceral fat, the fat that makes you look bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: But uh and these medications, it makes you lose even the healthy fat, like the fat that you need in your face to look healthy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that that's suggestive that what you're doing for your body is not healthy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I work in a hospital and I work with a lot of older patients, and unfortunately, doctors are criminal in that they're putting older patients on them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what it leads is these patients already have bad appetite to start with, and it gets them to a point where they have zero motivation to eat any food.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're that they're losing a lot of muscle mass, so they're getting weaker, they're at higher risk of falls.
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  SPEAKER_02: The problem with modern medicine is that doctors, it's very hard for them to kind of look beyond at how dangerous medications are.
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  SPEAKER_02: They just prescribe them and you know, life moves on.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they don't look at the long-term ramifications of what these medications are causing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's dangerous.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure I'm sure there are better ways to do them.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, they're better dosing, make sure that people are eating enough protein and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the vast majority of cases that I'm seeing, they're being harmed by these medications.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, and I'm I'm very interested because I feel like our system has created um like if you're in a certain bracket of your insurance, you're going to certain doctors who are always going to be trying to make money for that hospital or you know, wherever they're working.
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  SPEAKER_04: And it's really sad because I feel it they're just putting a band-aid over the problem, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: And just going back to the Zempic thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like nothing changed in their lifestyle except they stopped eating and they added something to their like, you know, medication, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: So that's the sad part.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yes, of course, we want people to feel good about themselves.
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  SPEAKER_04: We want them to, you know, get healthy, skinnier, all of those things.
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  SPEAKER_04: But if you're not doing it the proper way, you're gonna put all this effort, you're gonna lose all your muscle mass, you're gonna lose all this.
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  SPEAKER_04: And then once you get off of it, you're gonna go back to feeling the way you felt before, which then leads to another like mental health thing in our world, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: Of depression, sadness, all of these things that they are, you know, it leads to all of that.
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  SPEAKER_04: So if you're not going to that root cause, I feel like you're just you're just piling on just more of the things that you're gonna have later on in life.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I it is sad.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I I'm interested because my parents are getting older, you know, they're ha navigating their health issues.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thankfully, my father has like completely changed his lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's has a personal trainer, he's uh just getting super strong.
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  SPEAKER_04: He's gonna be 75 this uh this next couple months here, and he just looks awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, but one of the things that both of my parents have navigated is that high cholesterol.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I heard in one of your podcasts that doctors are just passing these statins out to everybody.
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  SPEAKER_04: So could you kind of share more about this just because I'm sure my parents will probably be listening to this too.
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  SPEAKER_04: But um, what could what's a an alternative or what is something that maybe is a mindset shift that could happen for them that they could um because they really don't want to take these statins.
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  SPEAKER_04: I know my parents are trying to go a more holistic route, but it's it's hard because you're going to your doctor and they're saying you need these things, you know.
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  SPEAKER_04: So if you could just speak on that a little bit too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, so from my perspective, you should not be concerned about your cholesterol levels.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's really no convincing evidence that having higher cholesterol is going to increase your risk of heart disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh unfortunately, there's a very strong uh pharmaceutical agenda in order to push this narrative because statins or cholesterol-lower medications were the highest-selling drug class in history.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the first drug ever to just be prescribed based on a blood test.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you don't need to have symptoms, you don't need to have had any diseases before.
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  SPEAKER_02: You go to your primary care doctor, he runs a lab test, and he tells you that you need to be on medications.
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  unknown: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which is you know, think about it, it's criminal, but it's a quite a genius business model, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: And once you think of it that way, uh you need to keep in mind that, you know, just out of the blue, people uh are not born with a cholesterol medication, uh, cholesterol-lowering medication deficiency.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's the main thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Does the certain lifestyle predispose to having higher cholesterol or higher bad cholesterol?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh yes, and that's a signal that uh you need to look into your lifestyle and fix that rather than chase the numbers uh of the cholesterol.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so people that get unhealthy sometimes their LDL goes up, and the worst thing that you can do is lower that LDL with medications.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh you need to just address the lifestyle that causes this LDL to go up.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because LDL serves important functions in the body, it's cholesterol is a very important compound.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's needed for cell membrane function, it's needed to make hormones, it's needed for the brain to uh regenerate and recover.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so the consequences of having low cholesterol or being on statin medications are far, far, far worse than any possible damage that high cholesterol can cause, which I think is over-exaggerated and they definitely underestimate the dangers of these cholesterol-lowering medications.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm I'm our bodies are made in a certain way.
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  SPEAKER_04: They're created to do certain things in a certain way.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I appreciate you sharing that because I feel uh that the system also induces fear, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: Of if you don't do this, then this would happen.
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  SPEAKER_04: If you don't do these things, and it's it's in every aspect of life.
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  SPEAKER_04: It could be about your cholesterol, it could be about birth, it could be about um anything.
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  SPEAKER_04: I've not, I've I've really felt that, and we saw it in like COVID times, like it was very fear-based of, and so I think that also set a bit of a shift um for a lot of people of the system, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: I feel like I have, at least in this area, there's a lot more holistic ideas that are coming around.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, we choose to homeschool our children.
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  SPEAKER_04: So in this community, especially, I mean, I've had very what we say, crunchy families that I've met, you know, where they're they're making everything at home now and they're, you know, they have their own chickens, they have their own produce, they have their own, and it's awesome because I I'm I'm kind of grateful in the sense that those these things have happened because people are opening their eyes now to a different lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it's it's very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: COVID, the COVID was a disaster.
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  SPEAKER_02: COVID cost a lot of lives, and the injections that they forced on us afterwards were also uh a disaster, but thankfully it opened a lot of people's eyes into how corrupt the medical system is.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh a lot of people are waking up to what is the purpose of this medical system and how they think about people and how they think about your health.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that's the the only good thing we got out of it.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because back then it was like a doctor was like, it was like top.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like you were like, you would look at a doctor be like, hey, my neighbor's a doctor, and my doctor said this, and it was like done.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm doing it, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh, like you shared, it is it is really nice that you know it did open eyes, trying to see the light out of all of this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'm really glad that we're having this topic, and I really appreciate all the work that you're doing because it does, yeah, I do feel like you're going against the grain on a lot of what people have grown up to.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so I just appreciate all your work.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, when it comes to like fasting, I know fasting is a huge thing with people, um, especially like in the Bitcoin community.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is fasting good for you?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is this something that should be done like on a weekly, daily, monthly basis?
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  SPEAKER_03: What what are your thoughts on this?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, uh fasting is we in in nature, we didn't evolve to have three meals uh all the time every day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh we we naturally went through periods where of famine, where food was not available, where you were unable to hunt and find something.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh so it's normal for you to skip meals or even go through days without eating.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your body is capable, adapting to that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have a lot of regulatory mechanisms in order to, you know, your digestion calms down, you start to break your o break down your own fat, your own uh glycogen stores, etc.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's very helpful for a lot of people who are trying to lose weight, people who are not fit, people who don't exercise much.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think, you know, uh starting to integrate some uh fasting where you're missing some meals, where say you're missing dinner uh for a day, or there's a day where you don't eat at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think that's a good starting point.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I also do see the opposite where people overdo it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh if you're skipping breakfast every day or you're skipping dinner every day, uh, it can start to be stressful on the body because uh whenever you're not eating, your stress hormones go up, your cortisol and your neuroneperipherin.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this uh on the long term, it can cause, you know, it can worsen your muscle mass, it can put you in a state of higher stress, which tends to uh lower your thyroid function.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: So uh it's it's a good balance.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it goes case by case.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Listen to your body.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: If you're fasting a lot and you start to feel that you're low energy, that uh you get cold a lot, you're finding it difficult to sleep, these are signs that you might be overdoing it.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, that that's really good too, because I always think too much, we don't need to be stuffing our face like three times a day.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: I actually think that's way overdoing it.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: Three times a day is a lot.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I'm a huge believer like what you shared.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: Listen to your body, see what it feels like, right?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Even when it comes to working out, like, hey, don't overdo it or you feel good, or or you know, listen to your body, drink more water, or if you're feeling dehydrated, like like your body will tell you what it wants if you just listen to it.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: But instead of, you know, most people just do what we've been told was to do.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: From our parents and from our doctors, like, oh, like this is normal.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm supposed to eat uh three meals a day, I'm supposed to have this many carbs or this amount, like XYZ.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: No, just just every body is different.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: So why just listen to your body, try to learn from it, try to, you know, try to have an understanding from it.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um but we weren't taught, you know, we weren't we haven't been taught to listen to our body.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_04: So we've been taught to just do what our system is taught us, eat three meals a day, go to school, you know, all I mean it goes down to, you know, even this certain little life song that we've all been taught too in our system as well.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: But um, it's if you're saying listen to your body, someone's going, I don't know what my body needs.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like you're supposed to tell me what my body needs, right?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: So it's as much as we would like to say that people are very in tune with their body, obviously they're listening, you know, they're very unhealthy, they're addicted to cigarettes or they're addicted to, you know, things of that are their coping skills, right?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: They don't even know how to cope with certain things.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_04: So then they're drinking alcohol, they're s smoking, they're doing all these things.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: And so um to tell someone, listen to your body, is that something that you kind of share with them?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's a probably a process as you're working with your patients, I'm imagining, of you really uh teaching them the the basics of of that, right?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean the the modern medical system kind of wants people to believe that you know, health is uh what scientists discover in a lab and what textbooks the discover, and all these brilliant scientists and doctors know a lot more than what you can ever think of.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: But the reason we are so sick is because we're separated from nature.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: So the way to get better is to reconnect with nature.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's as simple as that.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing made in a lab is gonna bridge that gap.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: That gap you can bridge with just living naturally.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that sort of way of thinking just disempowers people and makes them believe that you know, health is only something that my doctor can give me and what the pharmacy can give me, and nothing I do affects that.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and it's kind of like going back to how Bitcoin gives you autonomy over your money.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh thinking this way gives you autonomy over your body.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: Every choice you make affects the way that you feel, every choice you make affects your health uh in 10, 15, 20 years.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: And once you once you break out of that way of thinking, you you start to feel what how your body feels, whatever you put in it.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: And I I think the easiest step for most people is just once you clean your diet and once you eliminate processed food and white sugar, just that simple stuff is gonna make all your bodily functions just operate more cleanly.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: And you're gonna think more cleanly, you're gonna think more clearly, and you're gonna be able to start feeling how your body feels when you eat different things.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's a process of elimination too, right?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: Of just taking those things away.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's hard because actually at one point I like took away all sugar, and you really do go through a withdrawal.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_04: You really, it's it's a very intense feeling of like, oh my gosh, like I feel sick, I feel um nauseous, I feel like I'm like, you know, but it was I knew that after that I was gonna feel a lot better.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_04: And so slowly, as you're adding more protein, adding the other things that are gonna actually fuel you better, um, it's it's eye-opening to see how, and then you look at labels differently now too.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_04: Once you do that, you go, this has sugar, this has sugar, this has sugar.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_04: Everything has sugar too.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: And so um, I was going to ask you too, now like to kind of shift into our labels and what's in our food, the seed oils are now found in the the this.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if this was newer information or if it just all of a sudden happened, but seed oils are now found in almost like every package, every restaurant, all of those things.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: What are the you know side effects of those seed oils and what are some ways that we can, you know, change the way we're you know eating?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, what one of the biggest changes in our diet over the last 100 years is the introduction of these fats made from plants.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, our grandparents and their grandparents mostly the best form of fat for them was animal fat.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: So either meat, butter, the fat that's around meat, tallow, all these products.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh these products though, they they don't have a very high uh profit margin.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they don't last on shelves very long, and you still have to get it from a cow and milk the cow and refrigerate it.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: While in the early 20th century, they discovered that you can generate fats from seeds of plants.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: So seeds of corn, soy, canola, all these seeds, if you grind them up, you can generate some fats.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: But these fats are quite uh, in order to generate them, you need to apply very high heat to those seeds.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, naturally a seed uh doesn't want to be eaten.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: A seed wants to be put in the soil and propagate and produce future progeny.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's the purpose of seeds, that's why plants make seed.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: So they naturally will put compounds in that seed to try and make it inedible for animals and for humans.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: So in order to get rid of these compounds, you need to heat those seeds to very high temperatures to eliminate the fat and remove those uh harmful compounds.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: But this high heat, what it does is that it makes those uh those oils very rancid and they don't smell very good and they don't taste very good.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, in order to fix that, you need to uh put a lot of chemicals on these oils to deodorize them and kind of clean them up to make them uh possible for human consumption.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: So, this is the the crap that they generated in the early 20th century.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: And what they did is, along with the fight against cholesterol, is that they they started pushing against animal fats, the animal fats cause heart disease.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: And this was all based on faulty research by this researcher called Ansel Keys, who later admitted that all his research was uh was made up and he eliminated certain data points that didn't hit fit his model.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so they convinced people that animal fats are bad for you, and they started promoting these vegetable seed oils.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so these oils are rancid, they we never were exposed to them uh in in our lifetime.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: And what they do is that they affect the the fats in your own cell membranes.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: So your cell membranes uh need a certain composition of fats in order to operate properly.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: And if you mess up with the fats that are in those cell membranes, all your cell processes don't operate as efficiently.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's how they predispose to so many of the diseases that we see in modern time, including liver disease, including obesity, including brain disorders, neurological disorders, uh, because they affect our cell membrane integrity.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they are just a disaster to health.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they're very profitable to processed food uh manufacturers because they last on shelves and they're very cheap.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: And also in restaurants, because you know, we don't really ask what restaurants what are you frying your foods with.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: They use these very cheap oils.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: People need to be very careful of that.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: This is a very, very low-hanging fruit, but has very high yields for your health if you just eliminate those from your diet.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, that is so good.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh what what um I guess how could you kind of switch that or are you just hyper-aware of the seed oils?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_04: So you look at all the labels, make sure nothing's made with seed oils, and then when you go to a um, I've heard some people actually request to have their steak or whatever they're cooking with butter.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, is that something like that people can start doing, you know?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just thinking practicality, how can we, in this day and age, with everything being in seed oil, how can we fix that?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Or us be proactive.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_04: Be proactive, yeah.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, in general, most people in the supermarket, you should not be shopping in the Middle Isles.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: You need to be shopping at the periphery where the meat and the fresh fruits and vegetables are.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Once you do that, you've basically eliminated all seed oils.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: If you need certain condiments, sauces, read the labels.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of options now where they tell you that they're using olive oil, they're using Avgado oil.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: These oils are a lot healthier than the seed oils, which are usually corn, soybean, uh, canola.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: These are the ones that you need to avoid.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: With regards to restaurants, it's tough.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, a lot of our socializing these days is going to restaurants, and uh so it's hard to eliminate restaurant food completely.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: Avoid deep fried things, because deep fried things have a lot of seed oils in them.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Your steak, etc., you can ask the restaurant to change it.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think you know, if once a month you're having a steak cooked in seed oils, I don't think it's gonna be that big of a deal, in my opinion.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh if you can if you can avoid it, that's better.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: But as long as you're not eating it every day, it's not in your household, you're already avoiding most of the damage.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: So overall, seed oils.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: This this guy does a study, he's completely wrong.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: He messes around with the data.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: It seems to be super profitable.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: We don't backpedal and just like eliminate it.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: We now we're just running full force with it in all of our everyday food, and we're just consuming it like wild.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I mean like crazy for people that are you know fully active and fully aware of what they're eating.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um that's just so wild to me, right?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: And now it's like normal, it's just part of everyday life.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's just going about their day with these seed oils.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's a convenience thing though, too, because our society has made it so convenient for people to get food because everyone's working.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_04: Everyone's working, maybe two jobs.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_04: They have to go pick up food on their way to work, they have to do all these things.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_04: So, what's gonna be profitable is all these, you know, pre-packaged meals and things like that.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_04: So it goes even back to the money, right?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_04: It goes back to how the system has done exactly what it's supposed to do to make the money that it wants to do so that people are reliant, becomes people become addicted, right?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: They're they're addicted to these things.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_04: Like I said, I was addicted to I found out I was addicted to sugar by eliminating sugar, you know?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I'm not even like, I'm not even eating candy all the time.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not I'm not eating candy.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_04: I was just it was just in my food, you know, that I didn't even know existed.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_04: So it's very, it's very eye-opening.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_04: Once you start going down the rabbit hole of both the money system and the health system, it's sad.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's really sad.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: And it goes back to the point of don't trust, verify, right?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_04: Like we why aren't we asking questions?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's okay to ask questions.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and my my my brother mentions this in his book, The The Fiat Standard, which is uh a big part of the reason why uh the quality of our food has gone down is because it's used by governments to try and hide the effects of inflation.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: So if prices of everything is going up because they keep printing money, but for in order for people not to notice them, they have this uh, you know, the CPI, the market, the basket of goods.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: What how much does it cost to feed the average family for a week?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: And you can kind of lie to people and tell them, oh, the prices haven't changed that much if you just change what's in that basket.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: So people used to eat meat and full-fat dairy and uh cheese.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now you substitute it with, you know, corn chips and soy protein, etc., that which is a lot cheaper, and vegetable seed oils, and people don't notice that, oh, life is is not getting more expensive.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so that that's just a lie.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's uh the centralized system which has thrown all these disasters at us.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: One of the lies they use in order to cover up their the their the trail behind them.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that I know that's so good.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like the whole CPI thing, oh my god, don't they just will like put something that just very minimal went up too, and then CPI went up this, but like the things that we actually consume are like the ones that are the highest, but they won't count that as inflation and when they're doing these uh pricing points.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um also um again, I just want to say thank you so much, Dr.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: Moose, because uh it's not every day we get to talk to a doctor, and like I I know we're like going to different topics.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: I just like love hitting all of this stuff because I don't know who else is gonna share this with me.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: So uh one thing I also wanted to touch on was right now it's summertime.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we we live at the beach, we live at the pool this whole entire time.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: When it comes to like sunscreen, it feels like every year it's like, oh, sunscreen's bad for you, oh sunscreen's good for you, uh sunscreen's cancerous, uh, sunscreen, you know, but it protects you.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: Please just settle the score.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what's up with sunscreen?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so sunscreen is also a major lie, a major industry that it's a compound that's only existed for the last 30 or 40 years, but they've made they've made it a standard that everybody's using it, and nobody seems to question where have this came from.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: So uh most standard uh commercial sunscreen is full of a lot of endocrine disruptors, so molecules that affect our hormonal system.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: Everything you put on your skin is absorbed into your skin, goes into your bloodstream.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh modern medicine doesn't really want to talk about this too much, but that's the reality of there are multiple studies showing that whatever you put on your skin ends up in your bloodstream.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: So, sunscreen has a lot of endocrine disruptors, which means they affect your hormonal system.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: So these are molecules that can act on your estrogen receptors.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: So they either activate or even block your own estrogen from working.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: And along with other hormones, they can disrupt your thyroid.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: There's also a lot of research showing that they might be carcinogenic.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: They can contain a lot of molecules that we know are carcinogenic over the long term.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: So commercial sunscreen is bad.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: What do you do in order to enjoy the sun?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because the sun is very good for your health.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: You can build your own uh sun callus or the melanin in your skin.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: This allows you to spend a lot of time outside in the sun without getting sunburned.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: And the way you build this up is you gradually increase your tolerance to the sun.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you do that by spending uh start off with the early morning sun, because that sun has less uh ultraviolet uh rays in it.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: You build up your uh you gradually start to uh spend more time in the morning sun, you gradually build up your melanin so that you're able to spend more time closer to noon.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: People, regardless of your skin tone, regardless of where what ethnicity you are, uh you can still spend a lot of time outside in the sun, regardless of where you live.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: That being said, there is a certain point where any of us we can't spend, you know, three hours at noon in the heat of the high sun.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: You you still have to be you know aware of what you're doing.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Wear a hat, wear a t-shirt, sit in the shade.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's not the end of the world to do that.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: Doing that is a lot better than putting this toxic uh sunscreen on your skin.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's that that just reminds me like so.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: My dog is doing me a huge favor because I take him to work and then I'll walk, I'll walk like three or four times, you know, during the day to get out uh, you know, into the sun.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: And it feels good.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: It feels good to get fresh air, it feels good to like kind of uh detach from natural light, right?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I know also I heard uh or artificial light, I'm sorry.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: I also heard um in one of your podcasts before, like one thing that a lot of people are not talking about is artificial light and what it does for us.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um so if you can share with us as well, like you know, what what are we missing here?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I mean, one of the one of the major revelations that came to me after you know going down rabbit holes that weren't taught to me in med school is your body is actually very light sensitive.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh your cells uh actually use light to generate energy.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this melanin, the molecule, the the molecule that gives us the tan in your skin, it it's not only in your skin cells, it's actually uh found in every cell in your body.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and melanin absorbs light energy, usually from sunlight, and uses that in order to split water and generate energy to power your cells.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we're kind of like similar to plants in that we use light in order to power our cells.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why being in the sun feels so good, because you use that energy in order for your body to function properly.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: The flip side of that though is if you expose your body to frequencies or to wavelengths that it's not used to being exposed to, such as artificial light, that kind of makes that system not operate properly.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: So artificial light from screens and from LED bulbs gives us a spectrum of light that our bodies are not used to getting.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: This we only had this spectrum for the last 30 or 40 years.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: And this makes this energy generation process less efficient.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: And that can make you not feel good, it can predispose to a lot of diseases.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the the simple answer for this is to try and reduce your exposure to artificial light, spend as much time outside as you can, and that's gonna help this process just calibrate and uh reconnect you with the natural sunlight.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, in this day and age too, a lot of people are working indoors, right?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of people are on a computer inside.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, some a doctor is inside in the hospital with a ton of artificial light, I feel like.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_04: So what so you're just is it possible to still regenerate if you're you know taking breaks and going outside as much as you can?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_04: Or how can realistically, if someone's inside a lot, how could that be helpful, you know, for them to practically go outside and you know, stay home?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, so the I I think the the first step is uh prioritize the morning sun.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: So the first thing you need to think about when you wake up is I need to go outside and see the sun.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: This is regardless of how cold it is, how cloudy it is.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you just need to go outside and spend time in the sun at least 10 minutes, I tell people.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then during the day, if you're exposed to a lot of artificial light, minimize the you know, you don't have to have all the bulbs on.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: If you're in an office that has all the bulbs on, then you need to go outside as much as you can.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh time it so it's at regular frequencies.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: So say at 8 a.m., 10 a.m.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: noon, and 2 p.m.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: You go outside, take a even five minutes outside.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: What that does is that you're getting the signals from uh the the sun of what time it is, and that keeps your circadian rhythm in line with the natural cycle of the sun.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that has goes a very long way into circumventing the damage that is happening from those artificial uh blue light which you're exposed to all day.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then in your time off, you know, you need to be outside as much as possible.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Take walks outside, go swimming, go uh take your dog on a walk.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Anything that you can do to be outside is ideal.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's really good.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: And going back to like the walks, like I'll take a walk in the morning at 10 for 10 minutes, like you said, 10 to 15 minutes in the morning.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: And people who don't do this, like I'm gonna let you know, like it wakes you up.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: Getting some sun, it literally wakes you up for the day.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like super grateful because I didn't, I like, you know, now that I'm more aware of these things, um, when I don't take my dog on a walk uh in the mornings and in the afternoons, like everything just feels a little off, but not to where like I'm like noticing it, like a big uh it's not a big deal.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_03: But um, no, you're absolutely right on that.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like that morning walk is crucial uh in the morning.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then when it comes to uh when you say like uh artificial light, it's been something around it's been around for 30 to 40 years.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_03: So what are the consequences though uh for this?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, since it is still, we're still early as far as like I would say studies, right?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: And like knowing the heavy consequences of these uh artificial lights, what are some of the consequences that we can see going into this?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, or is it still too a little bit too early?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, I mean it's it is it is contributing to a lot of diseases that we see these days.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's affecting your cell's ability to generate energy.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it can affect every disease process you can think of.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it's hard to pinpoint what exactly is causing us to be so sick these days.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's a combination of bad food, seed oils, artificial light, electromagnetic frequencies, uh, lack of sunlight.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: All these things are contributing to all the chronic diseases that we're seeing these days.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, there aren't that many studies about what exactly are they causing, which diseases are they causing.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, you know, modern medicine is not interested in that answer.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_02: Modern medicine just wants to label every disease as a pill deficiency.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, uh, but the the harms are definitely there, and people need to be careful of what uh the lights they're exposed to.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and with life, like uh it makes me think about so we we're very affected by light, right?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_04: So a lot of people are especially, you know, very holistic approach of wanting to heal.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_04: I've heard a lot about red light therapy and um different how the different wavelengths in red light therapy can actually regenerate your cells and help, you know, heal.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_04: Do you have any take on that?
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, what we we've chatted about, I've mentioned it to Anthony, and he's like, What are you talking about?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_04: A red light, you know.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_04: So um, do you have anything that you could share about that?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, red light therapy is helpful.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: The most healing part of the sunlight is the red light.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: It it penetrates deep into your cells and it helps your cell uh generate energy more properly.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there's a lot of interesting research about diseases that it can help with.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: But in my, in my opinion, the best way to get red light.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Red light is to go outside in the sun.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh regardless of what panel you you get, uh five minutes in the sun is a lot better than using a red light panel.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: Especially morning sunlight, because that's richer in the red light.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: So a red light panel can get give you one, two, or three wavelengths of red light, while from sunlight you're getting hundreds of wavelengths.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so that that's why sunlight is a lot healthier.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are in California, so you're lucky you always have sunlight available.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I much prefer you go outside in the sun than use any red light therapy.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: For people who live in darker places, they might have a little bit more utility.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: And and also um, you know, speaking on you know, our longevity of life, um, I uh again, I saw in a podcast interview you were talking about the Framingham study, uh, where uh it's very interesting.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um if you can touch on that, because there's also about how these people live longer in in this area and like how all the researchers went over there to go study them.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I I thought that was really interesting because out here in in California, there's like it's all like it's called Lo Melinda, um, where a lot of people are live healthy, longer life.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_03: Where and it's just very interesting.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um if you could just touch on that.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: I know I know you know more about that.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean the the the framing of study was one of the ways that they pushed the cholesterol narrative.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it it was this community in Massachusetts that people were interested in because they lived very long and they were very healthy.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so that they went there to try and study, okay, what what are these people doing differently?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: They tested their blood work, they tested their blood pressure, etc.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: And initial studies they showed that actually uh people with higher cholesterol had higher risk of heart disease in Framingham.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: So that the those were the initial data from there.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and of course the pharmaceutical industry jumped on that data and they used it to promote statins, and that was the beginning of the entire statin debacle.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: Later data from the Framingham study showed that actually people who had higher cholesterol actually lived longer.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: And this again is because your cholesterol is so important for your body, and your ability to generate cholesterol in response to stress makes it uh better for your body to respond to this stress.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: And actually, having higher cholesterol is also a marker that you're getting uh good nutrition, you're getting good animal uh protein and fat because that raises your cholesterol, while people who are, you know, starving on a vegan diet have lower cholesterol.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: So the the th that's that's the important findings we found from the Framingham study.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um there's a lot of talk about longevity these days, a lot of you know a lot of these lab work that are looking into NAD and NADH supplements and all of that.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I appreciate that they're the directions they're looking into, but again, they keep thinking that the breakthrough for longevity is gonna be this pill that we discover one day.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh unfortunately it's not.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's not how the body works.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: The the the key to longevity is making sure your body is well nourished, making sure you're getting the proper nutrients from sunlight, making sure you're not under too much stress, making sure you are moving, but you're not over-exercising your body, making sure that you're capable of escaping the fiat uh uh hamster wheel and getting out of this stressful life that most people live.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: And that is a much better intervention for longevity than any uh pill that uh Brian Johnson's gonna recommend to you.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's so good.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: And every time you share this, right, of all these natural things, I all I can do is it just makes me go back to what we did 50, 100 years ago, right?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: Everything stems back to what we did before.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: We've been here a long time.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: We did things a lot differently before.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_03: Everything, just natural light, right?
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: We were probably all in natural light.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: We probably didn't eat all the time because we were we had to go uh kill our food, or you know how it was.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um there was no there was no artificial light, there was no pills, there was none of this stuff.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_03: We were just did everything natural.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: And guess what?
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_03: We're still here.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: We're still here, we're still doing things.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: Our digestive system, the same, right?
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: We weren't throwing sunscreen on us all the time.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um kids were outside playing and they were healthier.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_04: They were outside.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_04: Everyone was just way healthier.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_04: But like what we talk about, it's the system.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_04: It's created people to be in a fearful mindset.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_04: They've their kids are, you know, can't always go outside.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_04: They're going from place to place, they're not even spending outside time outside time.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_04: I always my daughter will be uh kind of get upset in the morning or something happens, right?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I go, you know what, you need to go sit outside.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_04: And that's immediately what I do is I tell her to go sit outside and she's upset with me.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_04: She thinks I'm putting her in timeout or something.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, no, you just need to go.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'm blessing you.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: Go go be blessed by the light, you know, because you're you're upset about something.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_04: And immediately within two minutes, she's calm, she's find something to do, she's looking at flowers, she's walking on the grass, and you're like, see, like she comes back in and she's a whole new person.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think there's so much value in the simplicity of going back to what makes sense and not overcomplicating things with pills and the systems, vaccines, the medical system, all of that.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and doing what makes sense to you.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, do your own research, don't trust verify what we always say, right?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_04: But but definitely getting input and opinions from other people.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's so it's just important.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's what's lacking.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: Our critical thinking skills haven't been we're not using it.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: Not critical.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_03: We're not thinking.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I think also the last five, ten years of people just the social media influence, the scrolling influence, you're just our attention spans are so short.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nobody can read a book anymore.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, nobody can think critically.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: This is something I've noticed in myself over the last couple of months, is uh I've gotten the ChatGPT uh subscription thing, and I just ask it everything now.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: And at some point I'm like entering a question and I'm like, I can answer this for myself.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't need ChatGPT to tell me this, you know?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm yeah, we're not we're not that dumb.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need artificial intelligence for everything, you know?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's really good.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: And then also, um, I really appreciate this, uh, Dr.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: Moose.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, how we like to uh end a lot of our uh Bitcoin podcasts uh is uh for someone entering like the Bitcoin space, we always say, hey, what's some advice you would give to them, right?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: So for you, I just want to ask, is there anything that we can do way more of in our everyday life?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, this is this is the question, this is what all my patients ask me, and it's it's it's always the same answer for me, and it's always what helps them the most.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's just you need to go outside and spend more time outside.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: Take your phone calls outside, take walks outside, uh, take your laptop outside and work outside.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: All of this, every extra minute of sunlight is just gonna make you feel so much better.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's more helpful than anything you can consume, any pill you can take, any any dietary intervention you can make.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: Just go outside and be the sun, and your body will thank you.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Dr.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_04: Amus.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_04: We appreciate your time, and you have been such a wealth of knowledge for our listeners and for me uh personally, selfishly.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_04: I wanted to have this conversation for a while.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's um, I mean, I could go on and on.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_04: We could probably talk for hours.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_04: I have so many other questions too, but we appreciate you.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_04: And um, where can people connect with you?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, uh, thank you for having me.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I am I'm most active on X and Instagram uh at Amus MD.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: Uh people can go to my website, amusemd.com, and can sign up for my free newsletter.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I also offer consultations if people are interested in working with me.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_04: Awesome.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much, and um everyone, thank you so much for tuning in to To the Moon with the Lunas, and we'll see you on the moon.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: Peace.