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Why Surrender Is the Hardest Skill for Driven Men, with Jason Watson

Why do so many high achievers still struggle to feel fulfilled?

Entrepreneur Jason Watson joins Kelly Siegel for a powerful conversation about growing up in poverty, overcoming childhood trauma, building a successful business, and discovering that external success doesn't automatically heal internal pain.

Together, they explore the connection between survival mode, relentless ambition, emotional wounds, burnout, leadership, and why many driven men confuse productivity with purpose.

What begins as a conversation about business quickly becomes an honest discussion about divorce, fatherhood…

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