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- [00:00:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: I have never picked up this much cancer in my life in a younger woman. [00:00:04] Dr. Taz: Are you [00:00:05] serious? [00:00:05] Jasmine Khorsandi: I actually am picking it up more in younger women than in older women. [00:00:08] Dr. Taz: Stop it. [00:00:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. What's [00:00:10] happening? Your environment is a big proponent. Right. [00:00:12] Dr. Taz: Huge. [00:00:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's huge. So stress [00:00:15] causes inflammation in your body and suppresses your immune system, so I think people are just [00:00:20] way more- Too stressed [00:00:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: stressed. It's the rat race. It's all about work, work, work. Mm-hmm. [00:00:25] Go to the next meeting, go to the next... Being in that toxic masculine energy is not healthy. [00:00:29] Dr. Taz: Do [00:00:30] you think that's a part of what's making women sick? Welcome to Whole Plus, the podcast that [00:00:35] embraces and tackles the holistic way, bringing it all together, science, research, innovations [00:00:40] in technology, and our collective human experience. [00:00:42] Dr. Taz: This is where science and spirit come [00:00:45] together. I'm Dr. Taz, your host and a double board-certified medical doctor, an integrative health [00:00:50] expert, a nutritionist, and an acupuncturist. I'm also the founder and CEO of Whole [00:00:55] Plus, a digital and clinical platform where my team and I practice evidence-based [00:01:00] holistic medicine every single day. [00:01:01] Dr. Taz: I know and I hear all the health and wellness noise that's [00:01:05] out there. I want this show to be the one to empower you with the knowledge you need to heal [00:01:10] not just your body, but your relationships, your communities, and our world. [00:01:15] Welcome to Whole Plus. If you've been watching and listening to the show, [00:01:20] you know that we have had very heated discussions around breast health, how to [00:01:25] screen for it, how to prevent and treat it. [00:01:27] Dr. Taz: We've had experts on, and [00:01:30] our inboxes are flooded. You guys have lots of questions around this, and [00:01:35] I get it. I understand. It seems so confusing. Well, we're definitely not done [00:01:40] talking about this, and that's why we invited Jasmine Khorsandi onto the show. [00:01:45] Jasmine is an ultrasound sonographer and founder of SonoBreast in Santa Monica, [00:01:50] California. [00:01:50] Dr. Taz: She takes a holistic approach to care and loves that she can provide women [00:01:55] with radiation-free breast ultrasounds using the advanced SonoScene. [00:02:00] In her free time, she takes care of her mind, body, and spirit through a holistic [00:02:05] approach using yoga and meditation. She enjoys traveling and trying new [00:02:10] restaurants, and she believes that God gives everyone a gift, and if you give it the energy every [00:02:15] day, it will manifest. [00:02:16] Dr. Taz: Please join me in welcoming Jasmine to the show. [00:02:20] Jasmine, I am thrilled to have you here, but I've got to give you some [00:02:25] context. We have had a lot of very, robust is [00:02:30] probably a good word, discussions on this show about breast health and breast [00:02:35] screening, what to do, when to do it, how to do it. There's been a lot of back and [00:02:40] forth. [00:02:40] Dr. Taz: I'll share some of the comments with you later. I'm so curious what you think. But before [00:02:45] we jump into all things breast and how to take care of our breast and what should we [00:02:50] be thinking about when it comes to our breast, tell us a little bit about how you got into the [00:02:55] world of breast health, into SonoScene. [00:02:57] Dr. Taz: Give us a little bit of the backstory. [00:02:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:03:00] Okay. So around 13 years ago, um, I got [00:03:05] hired by a holistic OBGYN straight out of school. [00:03:08] Dr. Taz: Oh, wow. Okay. [00:03:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:03:10] So it was a great- first job to have, um, especially I was like a [00:03:15] sponge out of school. You know, you could have either gone the Western way or the holistic way. [00:03:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: She was an [00:03:20] MD, but she practiced super holistically. [00:03:22] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:03:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: And, um, she was [00:03:25] using the SonoCine in her office. [00:03:27] Dr. Taz: Okay. [00:03:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: So her team trained [00:03:30] me on how to use the SonoCine, and I was extremely [00:03:35] impressed because the technology is super thorough, and it was picking up [00:03:40] really, really small tumors the size of a sesame seed. [00:03:42] Dr. Taz: And it's SonoCine, not SonoCine, [00:03:45] 'cause I hear a lot of people, and so- including myself- Yeah ... we say SonoCine. [00:03:48] Jasmine Khorsandi: It is ... You [00:03:49] Dr. Taz: could say [00:03:50] either. SonoCine, either way. Either way. You got it. All right. All right, so you're fresh out of ultrasound school- Right ... [00:03:55] right? You're now an ultrasonographer. Yeah. And you go straight into a [00:04:00] holistic-type situation there. [00:04:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. Right? Okay. It was, it was straight into that, and the doctor was [00:04:05] anti-mammograms. She was super holistic. She actually [00:04:10] really was against it, so this is a technology she used in her office, and [00:04:15] divinely, I was at the right place at the right time, and they trained [00:04:20] me. [00:04:20] Dr. Taz: Amazing. And what, you know, coming out of ultrasound school, and [00:04:25] then, you know, probably you were trained to do breast ultrasounds, I'm guessing, and traditional [00:04:30] ultrasounds, right? [00:04:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right. [00:04:30] Dr. Taz: Just sort of like when we're coming out of med school, we're in sort of a very conventional [00:04:35] mindset. What were your first impressions of this new technology [00:04:40] compared to what you had already been trained in? [00:04:43] Jasmine Khorsandi: So the regular [00:04:45] technology, there was a lot of gaps. So we would, you know, hold the transducer and just take a couple of pictures, [00:04:50] and it's kind of like texting and driving. [00:04:52] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:04:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? Because we're the operator, we're [00:04:55] holding the probe, and we just intuitively take, you know, a couple pictures, one at [00:05:00] 12, one at 3, one at- Right ... 6 and 9, the axilla, and that's it. But when I, you know, [00:05:05] put my hands on this robust machine and it was recording 3,000 [00:05:10] images, and the 3,000 images were turning into a 3D movie, it [00:05:15] was the crème de la crème- Wow [00:05:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: of breast imaging. It wasn't, I wasn't guessing myself [00:05:20] anymore. There wasn't questioning myself because it's, it's doing the ... The automation is, [00:05:25] like, AI. It's doing it for you. [00:05:26] Dr. Taz: How long has this technology been available? [00:05:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: I think it's [00:05:30] been around 15 to 20 years. [00:05:33] Dr. Taz: But why have we not heard [00:05:35] about it before? Oh, I [00:05:36] Dr. Taz: Wait, why ... Wait, why have we not heard about it before? [00:05:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: So Dr. [00:05:40] Kelly is a genius. He's a breast radiologist. [00:05:44] Dr. Taz: Okay. [00:05:44] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:05:45] Him and his brother-in-law created this technology, like, in their garage, [00:05:50] and there w- he wasn't a businessman. [00:05:52] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:05:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: So he wasn't able to, [00:05:55] like, spread it to the masses. He had his own clinic in Pasadena as the radiologist, [00:06:00] just one-on-one with his clients. [00:06:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: Okay. So he wasn't a businessman. Like most doctors, [00:06:05] they're focused on their patients- Right ... and they don't have that business gap or [00:06:10] time to- [00:06:10] Dr. Taz: Time sometimes, yeah ... [00:06:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: time. So he, yeah, he just loved his [00:06:15] patients, and he had a clinic in Pasadena, and he was super busy, and him and his [00:06:20] team trained me. [00:06:21] Dr. Taz: To do the so- [00:06:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: to- To do the sonoscintti. [00:06:23] Dr. Taz: Interesting. So [00:06:25] how would you say ... So you've described a little bit ... Well, maybe just walk us through, like, what can you [00:06:30] expect when you get one of these scans? And we'll, let's compare it to a traditional mammogram. Let's [00:06:35] compare the two and, and tell me a little bit about how they're different. [00:06:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: Great question.[00:06:40] [00:06:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: So the traditional mammogram is super barbaric. You [00:06:45] lay down, or you're sitting, and, you know, you put your breast in between two [00:06:50] plates. You smash it, you compress it, and you radiate it. [00:06:53] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:06:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: So [00:06:55] nothing about that seems natural in my opinion, especially if you have [00:07:00] something called dense breast tissue. 50% of mammograms are missed in [00:07:05] dense breast tissue. [00:07:05] Dr. Taz: Hmm. [00:07:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: And that's because it's like if you have a little tumor inside of [00:07:10] your breast tissue, it's a snowball, and i- under the mammogram images it's already [00:07:15] white. So it's like looking for a snowball in the snow. 50%'s missed. You just [00:07:20] can't- Wow ... see it. If you have fatty breasts, which is women who are, have [00:07:25] larger breasts, it's easier to see- Hmm [00:07:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: because the, the cancer will show up because the fatty tissue [00:07:30] looks black, and the cancer will show up as white. [00:07:32] Dr. Taz: Hmm. [00:07:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: But women like me, who are, [00:07:35] you know, small to medium sized breasted- Right ... just we are [00:07:40] risking going to this appointment and just getting results, and we have no idea if something was [00:07:45] there. [00:07:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: So you have to put the control in your [00:07:50] hands. Um, I highly recommend doing ultrasound for everyone, [00:07:55] dense-breasted women and fatty breast women, because there's no [00:08:00] radiation- [00:08:00] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm ... [00:08:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: and it can see through the tissue. It [00:08:05] penetrates deep enough that it can detect super, super small [00:08:10] tumors, God forbid if there is something. [00:08:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: That way when you detect tumors small, you [00:08:15] don't have to do aggressive treatment. You don't wanna wait until- Right ... it's too late. [00:08:19] Dr. Taz: [00:08:20] Right. [00:08:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: So that's where ultrasound comes in. Early detection, [00:08:25] no radiation. It's super safe for your, your tissue. It, there's no [00:08:30] pain, there's no smashing, there's no contrast agents, and there's no guessing. [00:08:34] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:08:34] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know, with the [00:08:35] mammogram, to be honest, one out of 10 women get called [00:08:40] back because of something that was questionable, and there's tons of biopsies [00:08:45] done. There's tons of aggressive treatments done. I went [00:08:46] Dr. Taz: down that road right here. [00:08:48] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:08:49] Dr. Taz: Yep. [00:08:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: And [00:08:50] 99.9% of the time it's benign. [00:08:52] Dr. Taz: Right. I remember that [00:08:55] journey. [00:08:55] Dr. Taz: I mean, it was a couple years ago, and I found a lump, and went [00:09:00] in, and it was, uh, mammogram. Wait, now you need to go get [00:09:05] a ultrasound. Wait, now you need to go get an MRI. Wait, now we need to do a [00:09:10] biopsy. Wait, now we need to look at the other side too. I mean, it was like between my schedule and, and [00:09:15] all the, like, we need this and we need this, it was six months. [00:09:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:09:19] Dr. Taz: At the end of that [00:09:20] six months it was benign. It was normal. [00:09:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:09:23] Dr. Taz: So, you know, [00:09:25] personally, to be 100% honest, even I am like, "Is mammogram [00:09:30] really the right tool as the initial step?" You know? And then [00:09:35] when we, and this is just being completely transparent, when we go to order [00:09:40] ultrasound for our patients, you know, we're like, "Okay, you have dense breasts, and we need, do need to talk more about dense breasts."[00:09:45] [00:09:45] Dr. Taz: But we go to order, you know, ultrasounds, uh, breast ultrasounds on our patients, the [00:09:50] radiologist and the imaging facilities, at least, you know, in some of the areas where [00:09:55] we have our clinics, are refusing to do that. They refuse to do an ultrasound unless you do [00:10:00] a mammogram first. So it leaves, you know, the patient, the woman [00:10:05] so confused, and like, "Okay, I, I have to do this mammogram, and I have to go [00:10:10] down this journey again and again? [00:10:11] Dr. Taz: Especially when you're telling me that one in 10 women get called back." [00:10:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:10:15] Mm-hmm. [00:10:15] Dr. Taz: You know? To me, that just seems like such a problem. Why do you think we've set the [00:10:20] system up that way? [00:10:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: So basically, they [00:10:25] want you in the system. If you think about it, they want you to go do the mammogram because the [00:10:30] mammogram makes money. [00:10:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: Then they want you to go do the ultrasound because that makes money, and [00:10:35] it's, it's they want you in the system. In my opinion, the ultrasound [00:10:40] detects more cancers than the mammograms. That's a fact that it's detecting 50% [00:10:45] more c- more cancers. Maybe I, I, I question, I'm like, maybe they don't wanna find- [00:10:50] [00:10:50] Dr. Taz: An early cancer [00:10:51] Jasmine Khorsandi: an early cancer because the treatment of [00:10:55] chemotherapy and all that aggressive cancer makes money [00:10:59] Dr. Taz: I [00:11:00] hate to believe that [00:11:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: I know, but why, why is it so hard to get an [00:11:05] ultrasound? I don't understand. [00:11:06] Dr. Taz: That's- It's, it is ridiculous. It is- They [00:11:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: won't do it ... [00:11:08] Dr. Taz: it's ridiculous. [00:11:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:11:10] Women- It's [00:11:10] Dr. Taz: beyond ridiculous. Yeah ... [00:11:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: and that's where SonoBreast was created, a place where women do not [00:11:15] need a prescription. [00:11:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: They do not need a doctor's order. They put their [00:11:20] health in their own hands. They call our clinic, they come, they get scheduled, and they get [00:11:25] results within 48 hours. That's it. [00:11:26] Dr. Taz: That's incredible. I mean, I was trying to schedule mine- Right ... this [00:11:30] trip. I told you that, and I just couldn't get the timing to work out, but I'll be back, I promise. [00:11:33] Dr. Taz: But, you know, I just [00:11:35] think we make things too hard for women to be advocates of their own health, and I think [00:11:40] in an area as sensitive as breast health, you know, I, I feel like it's super exciting that [00:11:45] there's new technology, old technology not ever used, you know, coming out into the [00:11:50] market so that we have more options. [00:11:51] Dr. Taz: I think it's incredible. What's the difference, though, between [00:11:55] the SonoSeni, I hope I'm saying it right, and a traditional breast ultrasound? Is [00:12:00] there a difference between those two? [00:12:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Tell us about that. So the traditional breast [00:12:05] ultrasound, once again, there's, there could be human error because a technician is like- 'Cause they're [00:12:09] Dr. Taz: holding the [00:12:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: probe [00:12:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: holding the [00:12:10] probe. Okay And you, you're guessing and driving. It's like [00:12:15] texting and driving. Texting and [00:12:15] Dr. Taz: driving. [00:12:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. I [00:12:16] Dr. Taz: love that analogy. No, no, it's texting [00:12:18] Jasmine Khorsandi: and driving. [00:12:18] Dr. Taz: I don't want you texting and driving on my [00:12:20] breasts. Please, stop. Right. [00:12:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know, so, but anyhow. Exactly. So, you know, if, if, if a [00:12:25] patient has larger breasts, you know, you just wanna [00:12:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: You, you really need to have a good [00:12:30] sonographer. If you have a sonographer that's not trained, something can be missed- Mm-hmm ... [00:12:35] because we are the operators. [00:12:37] Dr. Taz: So it's like taking the human error and the human [00:12:40] component out of it a little bit. [00:12:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: Correct. [00:12:42] Dr. Taz: Okay. [00:12:42] Jasmine Khorsandi: Correct. It's just, a- and it records [00:12:45] the 3,000 images, and it compiles it into a 3D movie. [00:12:49] Dr. Taz: So [00:12:50] when you go in for one of these scans, are you laying forward, like face forward? Are [00:12:55] you face up? [00:12:57] Jasmine Khorsandi: What- You're face up supine- Okay ... just like a regular ultrasound. [00:12:58] Dr. Taz: Okay [00:12:58] Jasmine Khorsandi: And then I'm just holding the [00:13:00] probe, and the probe is sweeping the 3,000 images. [00:13:03] Dr. Taz: Okay. Gotcha. [00:13:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:13:05] Yeah. [00:13:05] Dr. Taz: Excellent. What kind of results have you seen? [00:13:07] Dr. Taz: What have you found? What have you seen? 'Cause how long have you guys [00:13:10] been offering this technology now? [00:13:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: So at my clinic, for six years. [00:13:13] Dr. Taz: For six years. [00:13:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:13:15] [00:13:15] Dr. Taz: Tell us a little bit about the patient experience and what, what you found and what, you know, [00:13:20] some of your patients are saying. [00:13:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah, so during the pandemic, I had a client, [00:13:25] she was 24 years old. [00:13:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: She had a lot of breast pain, and [00:13:30] her OBGYN, I don't know why, referred her to get a mammogram. Mm-hmm. I mean, at 24 years old- [00:13:35] Mm-hmm ... why would you radiate a 24-year-old girl's breast tissue? I think that's too young. [00:13:40] I don't know why they're not going in straight for an ultrasound. And because if you do enough of [00:13:45] that radiation, in my mind, it will cause the cancer. [00:13:48] Dr. Taz: And many experts agree [00:13:50] with you today, that mammograms are playing a role in [00:13:55] the incidence of breast cancer as well. [00:13:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: I agree. Yeah. I mean, one out of three are getting breast cancer. [00:13:59] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:13:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:14:00] If you start thinking about what causes it, radiation can be one of them. [00:14:04] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:14:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:14:05] And, uh, she went in for her mammogram, and it was normal. [00:14:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: She had a lot [00:14:10] of breast pain, pain, to the point she was waking up in the middle of the night to take Advil. [00:14:14] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:14:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:14:15] And the doctor said, "It's fine. It's hormonal. It's, you know, it's you're in your ovulation [00:14:20] phase. It's, you know, it's normal." [00:14:21] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:14:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: She saw, she found me on Instagram, [00:14:25] and I think I posted a post about breast pain and how it's really important to not [00:14:30] ignore pain. [00:14:30] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:14:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: It could be something- Which I agree with ... more serious 100%, yeah. It's not [00:14:35] always hormonal. It's not always your moon cycle. And, uh, she came to my [00:14:40] office during the pandemic, and I found the cancer. It was literally two [00:14:45] millimeters. It was so s- [00:14:47] Dr. Taz: Tiny ... [00:14:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: tiny. And, [00:14:50] um, our radiologist came into the office. [00:14:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: They did a biopsy, and [00:14:55] she literally says it's the best thing that has ever happened to her because now she's, [00:15:00] like, a health cancer coach. [00:15:02] Dr. Taz: Oh, wow. [00:15:03] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:15:03] Dr. Taz: So with that [00:15:05] tiny cancer, that's enough to experience pain? [00:15:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. Wow. [00:15:10] She was young. It was affecting her maybe more than other people. Everybody's [00:15:15] body has different- Right [00:15:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: reactions. [00:15:18] Dr. Taz: And she didn't need any, like, [00:15:20] chemotherapy- Nothing ... because it was so small. [00:15:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: It was so small So lumpless. Yeah. She just had a [00:15:25] lumpectomy, and now she's working with one of the most famous cancer doctors. And she [00:15:30] says, "God gave this to me for a reason. It was my purpose to help [00:15:35] other women, guide them." [00:15:36] Jasmine Khorsandi: So now she's always talking about ultrasound, and she's always talking [00:15:40] about how early detection can save your life. It [00:15:41] Dr. Taz: really can, and I think, you know, one of the things that we have to [00:15:45] be aware of, we have this general recommendation of getting breast screening at age 40, [00:15:50] but the incidence of breast cancer is actually skewing younger and younger. [00:15:54] Dr. Taz: We know that [00:15:55] women in their 20s and their 30s are also getting breast cancer, and it's a problem of the [00:16:00] modern age, but then you're telling them to wait till 40 to get a mammogram. So the [00:16:05] ability to go in and get something like the, like an ultrasound, I think is, is [00:16:10] incredible, you know? Are you seeing more, you know, young women [00:16:15] aware of kind of the increasing risk and coming in and asking for these scans? [00:16:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: I have never [00:16:20] picked up this much cancer in my life in younger women. [00:16:23] Dr. Taz: Are you serious? [00:16:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: I actually am [00:16:25] picking it up more in younger women than in older women. [00:16:27] Dr. Taz: Stop it. Yes. What's happening? [00:16:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: Something [00:16:30] is happening. I personally think a lot of these women [00:16:35] have had IVF treatment. That's what they're telling me, and this [00:16:40] tumor started to grow after- [00:16:42] Dr. Taz: The IVF [00:16:42] Dr. Taz: the [00:16:42] Jasmine Khorsandi: IVF treatment. So that's one thing [00:16:45] that I'm hearing from the clients that are coming- From the patients, right ... from my patients. Right. Yeah. Um, [00:16:50] and that's really common right now. A lot of women in their late 30s and 40s [00:16:55] after IVF. Um, another thing that's, you know, environment, you know, your environment is [00:17:00] a big proponent. [00:17:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right, [00:17:01] Dr. Taz: huge. [00:17:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's huge. So stress, I, I'm sure you [00:17:05] know- Yes ... you know, causes inflammation in your body and suppresses your immune system. So I think people [00:17:10] are just way more- Too [00:17:11] Dr. Taz: stressed ... [00:17:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: stressed these days, especially the younger generation. [00:17:14] Dr. Taz: Are [00:17:15] they coming and telling you that they're stressed- Yeah ... or reporting that? [00:17:17] Dr. Taz: Okay. [00:17:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. I mean, the ones that we [00:17:20] do find out that they do have the cancer, we kind of... You know, I'm a woman. Right. I care. [00:17:24] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:17:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:17:25] It's like my sister. I [00:17:26] Dr. Taz: know, right. [00:17:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of hold space, and I always do, you know, ask [00:17:30] questions. You know, a lot of them are having trouble in their relationships. Mm. [00:17:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: They're having trouble at [00:17:35] work. There's too much pressure on them. Um, they don't have time to exercise. They're [00:17:40] not eating correctly. So it's just a soup of inflammation, and your [00:17:45] body can't hold all of these stressors. [00:17:48] Dr. Taz: Interesting. [00:17:50] Why do you think... So you don't think the older women, the women, like, in their [00:17:55] 40s and 50s, you're not seeing as, as much in them. [00:17:58] Dr. Taz: Are they not coming [00:18:00] in? Or, or what do you think is happening there? What do you think the difference is between the younger [00:18:05] demographic and the more middle-aged or slightly older demographic? [00:18:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: The, the, the older [00:18:10] demographic, they're coming in too, but I think the older demographic maybe just [00:18:15] they, they have more tools. [00:18:16] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:18:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? [00:18:17] Dr. Taz: Yeah, totally. Yeah. We're more [00:18:20] aware. [00:18:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're more aware. You're more grounded. You know, the, everyone [00:18:25] is just having a spiritual awakening right now. I think people are waking up to the no drinking [00:18:30] culture- [00:18:30] Dr. Taz: Yes. Yeah ... [00:18:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: which is huge right now. Um, taking care of your mental health [00:18:35] is number one in my book, because just being around women's [00:18:40] health for 13 years, the ones that kind of are in tune with their mental [00:18:45] health, they're thriving. [00:18:46] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm. [00:18:46] Dr. Taz: Do you think that's the biggest determinant you see? [00:18:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm-hmm. [00:18:49] Dr. Taz: [00:18:50] So fascinating to me, because, you know, you know I'm trained in Chinese and Ayurvedic medicine, and some of these older [00:18:55] systems of medicine, and I've shared this before, so definitely not trying to bore anybody. But [00:19:00] in Chinese medicine, the liver meridian runs through the breast, like, right [00:19:05] physically through the breast and down to other areas of the body. [00:19:07] Dr. Taz: The liver meridian in the liver is [00:19:10] where you store anger and grief. Now, if you extrapolate that [00:19:15] to the hormones, right? I talk a lot about hormones, and we can get into that as well, [00:19:20] but the hormone associated with the liver is cortisol, which is the stress hormone. [00:19:25] So it's almost like no matter which angle you wanna take, if you take a Chinese medicine angle [00:19:30] and say, okay, trauma in your relationships, trauma in your life, [00:19:35] excessive stress that you don't have outlets to relieve, whether it's work or elsewhere, [00:19:40] and you're storing that, right? [00:19:42] Dr. Taz: Physiologically, in a lab, I'm gonna see high [00:19:45] cortisol, but from a Chinese medicine perspective, they see liver meridian [00:19:50] imbalance. And over time, they believe, if that's not corrected, you're gonna [00:19:55] have an issue with your breast, 'cause it sits right there. So what you're observing [00:20:00] through scanning is very much what older systems of medicine talked [00:20:05] about thousands of years ago, that we lost in sort of this sort of technique of, [00:20:10] okay, just do mammograms at 40 and, and nothing else is important, right? [00:20:13] Dr. Taz: Like, all these other [00:20:15] factors are not important. But to this day, you know, I still see patients, and to this day, if [00:20:20] a woman comes in and tells me that she's getting divorced or she's experienced a really [00:20:25] big loss or, you know, something major has happened in her life, I can almost [00:20:30] clock it, and 18 months later, oftentimes they're having an issue with their breast or [00:20:35] having, or get a diagnosis of breast cancer or something along those lines. [00:20:38] Dr. Taz: So to your point, [00:20:40] like, the stress and the cortisol and trauma are, are [00:20:45] important ideas in this conversation. But I think I'm still really bothered by the younger women [00:20:50] coming in, and you're finding it more. I'm still really, like, just that boggles [00:20:55] my mind. What would you tell a young woman if she's watching us today? [00:20:59] Dr. Taz: What would you tell my [00:21:00] 17-year-old? [00:21:02] Jasmine Khorsandi: Definitely pay attention to how you're [00:21:05] feeling, and don't ignore it. If you're having a sad day, bring out your [00:21:10] journal. Release, you know, instead of suppressing, because most of us wanna [00:21:15] just hide it under the carpet, hide it under the carpet. "I'm strong enough. I got [00:21:20] this." [00:21:20] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:21:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: Release those emotions. Like, as a 17-year-old, how do I feel [00:21:25] today? What makes me feel good? What makes me feel [00:21:30] uncomfortable? Another really important thing is, like, self-regulation, being able to [00:21:35] feel. Trust your intuition. If you're- Mm, [00:21:37] Dr. Taz: that keeps coming up ... [00:21:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: trust your [00:21:40] intuition. If you're having a sad day and you need to talk to somebody, fine. [00:21:44] Jasmine Khorsandi: If it's [00:21:45] not your mom, ask for a therapist You need to have a [00:21:50] backbone so you don't feel lonely. Community is important- [00:21:55] Absolutely ... especially for a 17-year-old. You want her to feel safe. You want her to feel [00:22:00] nourished. You want her to feel seen and have a voice. And if, if a [00:22:05] 17-year-old doesn't feel safe and doesn't have a voice, then her throat chakra [00:22:10] is blocked. [00:22:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm-hmm. You know? She's, she's in fight or flight. Her cortisol is increased. [00:22:15] Her hormones are all over the place. Her inflammation's high. So it's just [00:22:20] being in tune and having an outlet to release and have a [00:22:25] voice, I think I would tell your 17-year-old daughter. [00:22:27] Dr. Taz: Would you have teenagers and [00:22:30] women in their 20s come in to do the scan? [00:22:32] Jasmine Khorsandi: I do. [00:22:33] Dr. Taz: Do they come through? [00:22:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: They come through. [00:22:35] I mean, at 40 years old, to get screened at 40 is 20 years [00:22:40] behind in my book. I, [00:22:40] Dr. Taz: I agree. I could not agree. It's almost like the bone scan thing too. It's not approved [00:22:45] till, like, 60 [00:22:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: or 65. I don't understand. It's [00:22:47] Dr. Taz: like- [00:22:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: And OBGYNs- What? ... are not having this [00:22:50] discussion with their patients. [00:22:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: They say, "Wait until you're 40 to get a mammogram." [00:22:53] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:22:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: But w- breast [00:22:55] cancer is so high, and statistically, it's one out of three women, so why not [00:23:00] get a scan that doesn't have radiation? We use the same technology to scan women [00:23:05] that are pregnant. Why is everyone so worried about the Pap smear wh- when you're 18, [00:23:10] and no one's- But not [00:23:10] Dr. Taz: worried about the breast? [00:23:11] Dr. Taz: But not worried about the breast. Good [00:23:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: point. And cervical cancer- Good point ... is so low. [00:23:15] [00:23:15] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:23:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: But breast cancer is so high. [00:23:17] Dr. Taz: That's such a good point. We have to change that. [00:23:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: We have [00:23:20] to change that, and- This is [00:23:20] Dr. Taz: ridiculous ... [00:23:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: it's ridiculous. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And it's like, have this [00:23:25] conversation with your patients, you know? [00:23:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: Do you- And [00:23:27] Dr. Taz: I would say for the moms listening, have this [00:23:30] conversation with your daughters. [00:23:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Absolutely. [00:23:31] Dr. Taz: And if you're a big sister like me, have this conversation with your, the [00:23:35] younger women in your family, you know? Yeah. I think, I think this is an easy tool [00:23:40] for us to, like, sink our teeth in, the only problem being, like, for many people, [00:23:45] 'cause we face this in our clinics, like, okay, I'm gonna go do it, and then the imaging [00:23:50] centers themselves are saying, "No, you can't do it until you have a mammogram." [00:23:52] Dr. Taz: So now in the Atlanta area, we're down to one [00:23:55] or two imaging centers that are willing to do it without a mammogram, you know? Willing to do any ultrasound. We [00:24:00] don't have a SonoSini, but not, you know, willing to just do a basic breast ultrasound without a [00:24:05] mammogram. So then we're saying all this, but for, you know, the person out in the field, [00:24:10] so to speak, their options are so limited. [00:24:12] Dr. Taz: Yeah. You know? [00:24:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: So. That's, that's, that was my [00:24:15] fuel with SonoBreast. I had a really good friend. Her [00:24:20] mom's brother owns radiology centers all over LA. Mm-hmm. [00:24:25] She went to every single mammogram appointment every single year, and [00:24:30] she was very small-breasted, like A. Mm-hmm. No [00:24:35] one did an ultrasound on her, and her brother owns all these radiology centers. [00:24:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right. They... [00:24:40] No, the radiologist should have recommended it. I think it's their responsibility when they're reading the [00:24:45] images, if you see dense breast tissue on the mammogram pictures- Get an ultrasound ... request an [00:24:50] ultrasound. [00:24:50] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:24:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: They didn't. She had cancer, and it was missed for, like, five [00:24:55] years. And unfortunately, she passed away in her 40s. [00:24:57] Dr. Taz: Oh my goodness. [00:24:58] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:24:59] Dr. Taz: Ah. [00:25:00] [00:25:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: And it happens over and over again because by the time the mammogram will detect it, [00:25:05] it's already been there for 10 years. Cancer starts literally the size of a seed. By the [00:25:10] time you feel something in your breast, it's been there for 10 years. [00:25:12] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:25:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: It starts off as a [00:25:15] couple of cells So once again, you can't trust [00:25:20] all your doctors. [00:25:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? I always say when you choose your practitioners, choose it like you're, [00:25:25] you're dating somebody. [00:25:26] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:25:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: The way we're all so picky with our love partners. [00:25:29] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:25:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:25:30] Choose your doctor the same exact way. Do they ask about your health? Do [00:25:35] they ask about your breast health? Do they ask about your emotional health, your diet? [00:25:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: These [00:25:40] are big factors of your health. [00:25:42] Dr. Taz: Definitely. Let's revisit the dense [00:25:45] breast component of the conversation. Um, not to overshare, but I have- Hmm ... dense breasts, and [00:25:50] that's why I think I ended up down that journey. I think it's in our family. You know, we test and practice. I [00:25:55] know I have COMT, which is that gene that makes you hold onto estrogen and store [00:26:00] estrogen, so I talk a lot about estrogen dominance. [00:26:02] Dr. Taz: It's a part- To, for me, dense breasts are a [00:26:05] part of this concept around estrogen dominance, meaning you're holding onto estrogen, you're storing [00:26:10] estrogen. You can get lumps and bumps and cysts and fibroids and all the different things. [00:26:15] If you d- If you know you have dense breasts... First of all, what are dense breasts? [00:26:18] Dr. Taz: I know they're now [00:26:20] officially classified, which I think is good. They weren't even classified up until about a year or [00:26:25] two ago. But if you do have dense breasts, you know, what should we be looking for, thinking [00:26:30] about? How does that differentiate from somebody without it? Give us a little bit of your perspective [00:26:35] there. [00:26:35] Jasmine Khorsandi: So I think, like, 80% of women have dense breast tissue. [00:26:38] Dr. Taz: So the majority. [00:26:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:26:40] Majority, yeah. Dense breast tissue, all that means is you have more breast tissue in [00:26:45] your breasts compared to fat. [00:26:46] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:26:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's all it means. And actually, dense breast tissue, I feel [00:26:50] like, is a good thing, because our boobs are more perky. [00:26:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm. So if, so if you- So there we go. [00:26:55] Yeah. So. So if you have fatty breasts, they're usually larger, and they droop down, and there's more [00:27:00] fat. Mm-hmm. There's nothing wrong with having dense breast tissue. I have clients that are like, "T- what can I [00:27:05] do to get rid of my dense breast tissue?" I'm like, "All it is is breast tissue. [00:27:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: God- Mm ... put it there for you to [00:27:10] have beautiful breasts." [00:27:11] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:27:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? It's just more perky. And with dense breast tissue, [00:27:15] since we have more breast tissue compared to fat, you just have to do the right [00:27:20] screening modality once a year, or if you're BRCA positive, maybe two or three times a year. [00:27:25] That's all it means. [00:27:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: It doesn't mean it's a, a disease. It doesn't mean that something bad is gonna [00:27:30] happen to you. They do say the risk for cancer is higher in dense breast tissue, but if you do the right [00:27:35] screening test, y- it won't be missed. You'll, you'll find it early enough. [00:27:39] Dr. Taz: And there's stages [00:27:40] now of dense breasts, right? I think- Yeah [00:27:41] Dr. Taz: they now grade it from an A to D, I believe. Right. I saw recently [00:27:45] the radiologists are supposed to comment on that. So if you don't know whether you have dense breasts or [00:27:50] not- Right ... you know, how can someone tell? Actually, that's a good question. How can someone tell if they have dense breasts? [00:27:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: I [00:27:55] could just tell by looking someone, at someone. [00:27:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: Really? Yeah, just like size A to, like, [00:28:00] mid-C- Okay ... I feel like is dense. Are dense. Okay. And the people who are extremely large, like my mom [00:28:05] is triple D, she's fatty. [00:28:06] Dr. Taz: Okay. [00:28:07] Jasmine Khorsandi: So for me- I, I look at, uh, [00:28:10] size [00:28:10] Dr. Taz: You look at a size. So are those the two types, fatty or dense? [00:28:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:28:14] Dr. Taz: Those are the main two [00:28:15] types. [00:28:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:28:15] Dr. Taz: So dense breast, do ultrasounds. [00:28:18] Jasmine Khorsandi: Do the ultrasounds. Another thing that's [00:28:20] really important is doing self-breast exams. [00:28:23] Dr. Taz: So many women don't do those. [00:28:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:28:25] Nobody does it. I know. I don't even do it. [00:28:26] Dr. Taz: It was, like, gra- It was, like, ingrained in our brain, "Teach your patients to [00:28:30] do self-exams," and when I ask, everyone's like, "Well, I, I don't do that." They go straight to the imaging. [00:28:34] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:28:35] I don't do it either. [00:28:35] Dr. Taz: So we're supposed to do it. So what, what's the correct guideline? How often are we supposed to be doing these [00:28:40] self-exams? [00:28:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: So post-menopausal woman, I would say do it the first of every [00:28:45] single month, anytime the first of the month, and then perimenopausal woman, [00:28:50] a couple days after your moon cycle so it's less lumpy. [00:28:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: And I would [00:28:55] say go in front of a mirror, look at your breasts, make sure there's no skin dimpling, [00:29:00] make sure that there's no inverted nipple, no redness, and first get a [00:29:05] good look at how your boobs look. So if anything abnormal comes around your boobs, you'll know. You're more in [00:29:10] tune with our breasts. [00:29:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: Women, we're just so disconnected from our bodies. Have you [00:29:15] noticed that in your [00:29:16] Dr. Taz: practice? Oh, very much so. Very much, yeah. [00:29:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: We just have no connection. [00:29:19] Dr. Taz: Why do you think that [00:29:20] is? [00:29:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: I mean, because we're in the Western culture, [00:29:25] it's, it's the rat race. You know, it's all about work, work- Mm-hmm ... work. Go to the [00:29:30] next meeting, go to the next... [00:29:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: Everyone is so in this rat race matrix. [00:29:35] No one is present really anymore or in tune with [00:29:40] themselves. You know? Once y- you gotta create a practice for that. And so people have just become [00:29:45] disconnected from their bodies 'cause they're always doing something outside of their body. [00:29:48] Dr. Taz: That is such an issue for [00:29:50] so many women, and I think they really have trouble putting that into some sort of daily [00:29:55] ritual or- Yeah [00:29:55] Dr. Taz: or even weekly ritual. What are some of the things you do to kinda get, [00:30:00] kinda get back in touch with your feminine- Yeah ... which also gets you back in touch with your intuition? 'Cause [00:30:05] intuition, I think, is a feminine superpower. [00:30:07] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:30:07] Dr. Taz: But so many women are cut off from it because they're [00:30:10] in the rat race, right? [00:30:11] Dr. Taz: Yeah. Just curious what you do to kinda get back in touch with that. [00:30:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: So [00:30:15] I really enjoy being slow and present. [00:30:20] That's what femininity is to me. Um, I wake up earlier in the morning. I'll light [00:30:25] a candle. I'll make my matcha. But I'm not, like, in a rush. [00:30:28] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:30:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: Because when you're in a [00:30:30] rush, you immediately get into that toxic masculine energy. [00:30:33] Dr. Taz: I'm a toxic masculine. [00:30:35] No. [00:30:37] Jasmine Khorsandi: Don't worry. I, I've been- [00:30:39] Dr. Taz: I'm kidding. I'm like, [00:30:40] rah. [00:30:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: I've been in my toxic masculine my whole life, and then I went to [00:30:45] Bali, and I had a huge spiritual awakening in Bali. Oh [00:30:48] Dr. Taz: my gosh. [00:30:50] Okay. [00:30:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: Bali changed my life. [00:30:51] Dr. Taz: What happened in Bali? I have to ask. You, you got me [00:30:55] there. I have to ask. [00:30:55] Dr. Taz: What happened there? [00:30:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: I went on, like, this goddess retreat for two weeks in Bali, [00:31:00] and we were just praying, meditating, doing kundalini, kundalini yoga. [00:31:05] Yoga, [00:31:05] Dr. Taz: uh-huh. [00:31:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: Breathwork. And we were getting, um, blessed [00:31:10] by Balinese priestesses. [00:31:11] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm. [00:31:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: No phones, no [00:31:15] laptops, no work. We were doing the work, inner work. [00:31:19] Dr. Taz: [00:31:20] Inner work. [00:31:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: For two weeks. My voice changed. I [00:31:25] changed. I cried a lot. I released so many, like, suppressed [00:31:30] emotions. Because once again, as a, as a woman, as a business owner, owner in the [00:31:35] Matrix, in Los Angeles, it's like a lot of women become [00:31:40] masculine. [00:31:40] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:31:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: So I, on that trip, especially the Land of the Goddesses, that's what Bali's [00:31:45] known for, I remembered who I was. [00:31:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm. I had [00:31:50] forgotten the goddess, the inner goddess in me. I forgot who she was. [00:31:55] And it was, it was really sad because I was disconnected to [00:32:00] myself. And so after that trip, I learned all the tools. I learned [00:32:05] to be present, to be slow, to love my body, to take [00:32:10] time for myself, because being in that toxic masculine energy is [00:32:15] not healthy. [00:32:15] Dr. Taz: Do you think that's a part of what's making women sick? [00:32:18] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes, I do. [00:32:19] Dr. Taz: So then [00:32:20] how do we- [00:32:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: And you attract the wrong partner. [00:32:22] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:32:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: You attract the wrong partner. [00:32:25] You operate on a totally masculine energy, [00:32:30] which shifts your whole life. [00:32:32] Dr. Taz: Hmm. How would you tell [00:32:35] women to realign? Especially, again, let's talk to the younger women 'cause they have the [00:32:40] opportunity to make some choices, right? [00:32:43] Dr. Taz: Yeah. How, how would we [00:32:45] advise them to realign so they're balanced, right? They still can accomplish things, [00:32:50] but they're not living in that space. [00:32:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: I would say take [00:32:55] minimum 20 to 30 minutes a day. Wake up earlier. Wake up [00:33:00] 30 minutes earlier. Take a journal, whatever it is you like to do. I like [00:33:05] to write. I'm a writer. [00:33:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: Me too. That's my [00:33:07] Dr. Taz: Yeah, me too. Yeah. Love to write. [00:33:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's [00:33:10] my free therapy. [00:33:11] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm. [00:33:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: I bring out my journal. Make a drink that you like. Wear a [00:33:15] nice silk dress or something that feels good. It could be a big T-shirt. Whatever feels [00:33:20] good, and sit with yourself. Put your hand on your heart. Connect to your heart and ask yourself, [00:33:25] "How do I feel today? [00:33:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: How does Jasmin feel today?" [00:33:30] Connect to your heart. Get out of your head. Connect to your heart. You know, your heart has, [00:33:35] like, 20,000 neurites. Yeah, [00:33:36] Dr. Taz: yeah. [00:33:37] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's smarter than our head. The science is [00:33:40] proving it. Mm. Sit with yourself and journal, you know? The, the [00:33:45] power of writing and connecting to yourself, and watch what comes up. [00:33:49] Dr. Taz: And your heart [00:33:50] sits right by your breast. [00:33:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: It do. It's the, the heart chakra- It's right there ... is right by the breast. So, yeah. Exactly. So it's [00:33:55] just 30 minutes to connect to, to, to yourself. Check in, you know? [00:33:59] Dr. Taz: That's an [00:34:00] easy tool that anybody could do, for sure. [00:34:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: It is life-changing when you check in. Right. [00:34:05] [00:34:05] Dr. Taz: So, you know, we've established that the heart is the center, right? [00:34:09] Dr. Taz: [00:34:10] It's the magnetic field. It's the in- intuitive center. It sits right by the breast. We're seeing breast [00:34:15] cancer rates go up across the board. We're seeing younger and younger women get breast cancer. [00:34:20] What happened to you that you were able to understand this, you [00:34:25] know, and connect the dots between, you know, living this, like, very driven, [00:34:30] very accomplished-oriented, you're a business owner, like, you know, you've gone to school, you know, going on [00:34:35] that path and living that life and driving and driving and driving, but coming to the [00:34:40] realization that this is a form of toxicity, right? [00:34:44] Dr. Taz: Right. This [00:34:45] is, like, living in the masculine, which we as women are not really [00:34:50] supposed to do, and it might be making us sick. And this is really hard [00:34:55] for me to even say these words because I am that person that is always [00:35:00] going, going, going, going, going with so many downloads and so much going [00:35:05] on. But what happened to you to, like, have that light bulb moment?[00:35:10] [00:35:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: Thank you for sharing. Two years ago, [00:35:15] after four years of starting my practice, I hit [00:35:20] a really scary burnout. It scared me, [00:35:25] and it's because I was in that toxic masculine [00:35:30] energy. You just keep going and going and going, and you don't know when to [00:35:35] stop. And as a Scorpio, um, you know, I'm super controlling in my [00:35:40] work. [00:35:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: I want everything to be done perfect, so I am [00:35:45] hands-on, you know? [00:35:46] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm. [00:35:46] Jasmine Khorsandi: I... it was, it was hard for me to delegate up until two years [00:35:50] ago, and, uh, I, I just, I crashed. It was, it was sad. [00:35:55] I called my therapist crying in bed. I said, like, "I literally feel like I'm gonna die." [00:35:59] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:35:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: You [00:36:00] know, she's like, I couldn't move my arm because my job is so, um, [00:36:05] physical. [00:36:05] Dr. Taz: Physical, [00:36:05] Jasmine Khorsandi: right. I'm like, I, I... this is like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like, I need help. [00:36:10] And she's like, "If you don't get help, and if you don't start delegating, you're not even gonna [00:36:15] like what you're doing anymore." [00:36:16] Dr. Taz: Yeah. " [00:36:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're so passionate about what you're doing, but you need to get [00:36:20] help or, or else this is gonna go bad, Jasmin."[00:36:25] [00:36:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: And at that point I had pain in my arms. I was getting, like, steroid [00:36:30] shots. Yeah. Like, it was like I knew it wasn't gonna work anymore. So you know what? I [00:36:35] sat with myself and I said, "Okay, Jasmin, it's time to get [00:36:40] help." And, and I hired more help. I hired more ultrasound technicians, [00:36:45] and that's getting out of the toxic masculine. [00:36:48] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's getting out of lack. [00:36:49] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:36:50] [00:36:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: I- from lack I was scared to hire people. [00:36:53] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm. [00:36:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? Like you might- Train other [00:36:55] girls. [00:36:55] Dr. Taz: Right. Right. [00:36:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: How about if they go copy me? Yeah. How about if... You know? Right. Mm-hmm. It's from lack. [00:36:59] Dr. Taz: [00:37:00] Right. [00:37:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: And I let go of that lack mindset. My therapist really helped me get out of that. [00:37:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: She's [00:37:05] like, "You're gonna double your, your business when you get help." [00:37:08] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:37:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: So then I [00:37:10] w- got out of lack mindset and came into this more feminine like, I'm gonna train my [00:37:15] sisters, and they're gonna hold space for me, and they're gonna help me. Maybe I'll be able to move my arms more. [00:37:19] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:37:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:37:20] So I did that, and I, and I got helped. [00:37:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: And slowly by slowly I [00:37:25] started to... I was able to breathe again. [00:37:27] Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh. [00:37:28] Jasmine Khorsandi: And, you know, come up [00:37:30] for a breath of air, and I got help. And then after that I went on my- To [00:37:35] Bali ... to Bali on my goddess retreat. I literally... it says feminine on my [00:37:40] fingers in Balinese. Because when I went there, I mean, you, you take, you [00:37:45] strip away your phone and your laptop. [00:37:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: And as a healer, I'm always helping [00:37:50] everybody else. When is there time for Jasmin? Mm-hmm. Every- e- everyone's health is in my hand, and you get it as a [00:37:55] healer. Mm. [00:37:55] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm. [00:37:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: So for two weeks I did the [00:38:00] breathwork, the yoga, the Kundalini Yoga, the meditation, [00:38:05] journaling, going in all these water temples, and I just remembered who I was.[00:38:10] [00:38:10] Dr. Taz: And all of that got you back in touch with your feminine? [00:38:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:38:14] Dr. Taz: You [00:38:15] know, for someone listening, like, what does feminine f- sounds so bad. What does [00:38:20] feminine feel like? [00:38:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: Feels so good. It's- Feels light ... [00:38:23] Dr. Taz: it's light. [00:38:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: It feels [00:38:25] light and airy and just in flow. [00:38:29] Dr. Taz: In the [00:38:30] flow. [00:38:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:38:30] Dr. Taz: I think it's about flow- Yeah ... and alignment. [00:38:32] Dr. Taz: So I joke about myself all the time. I am, [00:38:35] you know, incredibly driven, and I do a lot of different things, but the, I think the [00:38:40] difference is that I feel very aligned. I feel like I'm doing work that I'm [00:38:45] incredibly passionate about. [00:38:46] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:38:46] Dr. Taz: And brings me a lot of joy and meaning. Now, I can be [00:38:50] better about taking time out. [00:38:51] Dr. Taz: I wanna go to Bali and do- Yes ... and do the same, because I [00:38:55] do believe that, you know, we have been trained since childhood, maybe even in [00:39:00] utero, to be disconnected from our feminine. It's always been [00:39:05] suppressed or abused or put down. Yes. And [00:39:10] I think that we as women go on this journey of, of [00:39:15] trying to run from that feeling, but, and prove ourselves, I [00:39:20] guess. [00:39:20] Dr. Taz: But at the same time, we lose so much in that process of trying to [00:39:25] prove that we can live in the masculine, you know. What... So there's so many [00:39:30] lessons in what you just said. We were talking about breasts, but we are... You know, a lot of what you [00:39:35] just said applies to being an entrepreneur, applies to being a mom, [00:39:40] applies to being a wife or a friend, right? [00:39:43] Dr. Taz: You said something about [00:39:45] lack. Can, can you go back there just a second- Mm-hmm ... and explain what you meant by that, like you were [00:39:50] operating out of lack. What w- what does that mean? [00:39:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: When I started my business- Mm-hmm ... [00:39:55] so sonography is it... This patient's life is in my [00:40:00] hand. [00:40:00] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:40:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: So it's very... I'm the operator. [00:40:02] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:40:03] Jasmine Khorsandi: So I was in lack because [00:40:05] I'm like, "I don't know if I'm gonna find other sonographers that are as good as me. Do they [00:40:10] care as much as I care?" [00:40:11] Dr. Taz: Hmm. [00:40:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: That was the problem. Almost like [00:40:14] Dr. Taz: a perfectionist [00:40:15] type- [00:40:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah ... [00:40:15] Dr. Taz: mentality too, right? [00:40:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: I mean- Yeah ... you know, it's like I don't sc- I don't go over the breast tissue once. [00:40:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:40:20] I go over each breast tissue probably like 18 times. [00:40:22] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:40:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: I mean, other techs [00:40:25] don't do that. I haven't seen it. They're just going to the next, the next, the next, the next, the next. I, [00:40:30] I block out almost an hour per client. [00:40:32] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:40:32] Jasmine Khorsandi: I'm super thorough. I don't want anything missed. I [00:40:35] wanna sleep at night. [00:40:35] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:40:36] Jasmine Khorsandi: And knock on wood, in 10 years I haven't had anything missed because I [00:40:40] care. [00:40:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: That person is a mother, an aunt, a sister. I wanna make sure every [00:40:45] single inch of tissue is covered. Right So where I came from, lack was like, how about if [00:40:50] she misses something? [00:40:50] Dr. Taz: Mm. Okay. [00:40:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? [00:40:53] Dr. Taz: So not being able to [00:40:55] delegate because ... [00:40:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: Something could be missed. [00:40:57] Dr. Taz: Something could be missed. So how do you get over that?[00:41:00] [00:41:01] Dr. Taz: As a business owner, as somebody who's responsible for [00:41:05] teams or for people, how do you get over that? [00:41:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: There is goddesses all around us, and they [00:41:10] care as much as I care. Because once I got out of lack and, and [00:41:15] I went into abundance, all these girls came into my office, [00:41:20] and now they're all there and they care as much as me. [00:41:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm. And now when people call, they ask to [00:41:25] be seen by them, too. [00:41:26] Dr. Taz: I love that. That happens to me, too. I'm like, "This is great. I love this." It's okay. I know, this is [00:41:30] awesome. [00:41:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: So it's just our fears take control of [00:41:35] our future, but just ... You have to sit with that. And it's coming from also [00:41:40] my mom's mindset, too. [00:41:42] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:41:42] Jasmine Khorsandi: She's the one who said, "Don't hire anybody." [00:41:44] Dr. Taz: Oh, [00:41:45] yeah. " [00:41:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: Don't hire anybody." Yeah. "They're gonna come and copy you." Yeah. "Don't hire anybody." Right. It's that [00:41:50] Iranian mindset, which is very similar to Indian mindset. [00:41:53] Dr. Taz: Indian, yeah. [00:41:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:41:54] Dr. Taz: You know, [00:41:55] Asia. I mean, it's, it's a very similar mindset that to be protective and to [00:42:00] be like, you know, hold onto this little piece. [00:42:03] Dr. Taz: Yeah. Because I think they've come from very [00:42:05] competitive cultures is my sense. I don't know. I wasn't raised there. [00:42:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: Very competitive. [00:42:09] Dr. Taz: [00:42:10] So, so there is that. But, like, that almost does us all a disservice, quite [00:42:15] honestly. Mm-hmm. I think we do better when we work in collaboration and when we work in community, and we [00:42:20] get further ahead, you know, just from a entrepreneurial standpoint. [00:42:23] Dr. Taz: But from a health [00:42:25] standpoint, we have a second to breathe, you know? I look at the doctors that are out [00:42:30] there, and they are suffering so much today, you know, because whether they're in the conventional system [00:42:35] where they're just slogging it and, like, you know, seeing what you're saying, patient after patient over and [00:42:40] over and over again, volume, volume, volume. [00:42:42] Dr. Taz: That is a soul-robbing profession- Yeah ... [00:42:45] which is why so many people don't want to be doctors anymore. And when you flip it and you have a lot of people [00:42:50] setting up their solo clinics or solo practice, like, that is a [00:42:55] lot, too. You know, that's a heavy lift and a heavy load as well. So I think we do do better when we [00:43:00] come together and we collaborate, and we can kind of create, co-create, you know, [00:43:05] in the universe. [00:43:06] Dr. Taz: And I, I think it helps us as women. And I think women, let's go back to just [00:43:10] thinking about women, we were never meant to be [00:43:15] and to live alone. And to do alone. We always worked in this [00:43:20] sort of tribal, communal situation, even with raising kids. You know? [00:43:25] It was like there were, like, four aunties and, uh, four elders and, [00:43:30] like, all these people, and it was like a- Mm-hmm [00:43:32] Dr. Taz: it was like a conglomerate, right? It [00:43:35] wasn't like, "Oh, I'm over here doing my thing. What are you doing over there?" You know? "Oh, you gave them what?" Like, you know, [00:43:40] it wasn't like that. You know? It was, it was very much m- it was much more communal. Now, I'm [00:43:45] sure everybody always gossiped and did all those things, right? [00:43:47] Dr. Taz: But it was a communal culture, and I [00:43:50] think what's happened in, you know, this modern age is as we've moved to more [00:43:55] of this individualistic culture, it's only hurt us as women. And I think breast health, [00:44:00] breast cancer is one of those. I think mental health is another sign [00:44:05] of, of how we as women, if we really wanna have a conversation around health [00:44:10] and wellness, you know, then we've gotta be thinking more [00:44:15] communally rather than thinking about, "Okay, here's my stake in the sand, and my family, and my stuff, [00:44:20] and I'm gonna win." [00:44:21] Dr. Taz: You know? And I think that's, that could be hurting us too, you know? [00:44:25] [00:44:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: I think that's beautiful what you just said, because that individualistic [00:44:30] mindset can cause the disease. [00:44:33] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:44:35] And you're seeing it in the ultrasound world. [00:44:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh, yeah. It's, it's he- it's the [00:44:40] health space. I mean, "I got it on my own. I can do it better than anybody else." [00:44:44] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:44:45] Yep. [00:44:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: We as women need community. Mm. In the blue zones, the [00:44:50] reason why they live so long in the blue zones is because of their strong [00:44:55] sense of community. They eat meals together, breakfast, [00:45:00] lunch, and dinner with their neighbors. Mm. They go exercising with their neighbors. That [00:45:05] strong sense of community will keep your immune system even stronger [00:45:10] [00:45:11] Dr. Taz: What do the Bali priestesses say about us?[00:45:15] [00:45:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh, they think we're nuts.[00:45:20] [00:45:21] Dr. Taz: You know, l- and again, I love that they're priestesses, 'cause again, it was always women that were the [00:45:25] healers that [00:45:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: owned the medicine- You're a priestess. You're a healer. You're a priestess. You're a [00:45:30] healer. You're a goddess. God chose you to help all your sisters. [00:45:35] But you have to nourish and fill up your cup- Hmm [00:45:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: if you wanna be a [00:45:40] vessel to help the masses. You can't live from an empty [00:45:45] cup. [00:45:45] Dr. Taz: Well, a part of your healing journey, and I'm wondering if you learned this in Bali or you were already [00:45:50] doing this on your own, you know, you practice reiki- [00:45:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah ... [00:45:53] Dr. Taz: and sound [00:45:55] baths. Can you talk to me a little bit about that? I have in my head, [00:46:00] and we're not... [00:46:01] Dr. Taz: You know, we've gone in a lot of different places today on this amazing podcast episode, but [00:46:05] there is this whole idea around vibration and vibrational energy [00:46:10] and what that means for our health. And for me, reiki, sound bath [00:46:15] are impacting that vibrational energy to bring us into healing. [00:46:20] How do you connect the dots for maybe our viewers and our listeners in terms [00:46:25] of how these modalities play into a topic like breast health and [00:46:30] a topic like coming into your femininity? [00:46:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: So during that [00:46:35] really dark phase of my life, I signed up at a place called Unplug [00:46:40] Meditation. You- It's like a w- it's a monthly membership where they do sound baths, yoga, [00:46:45] meditation, 'cause I knew I needed to fill up my cup. [00:46:48] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm. [00:46:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: I had no idea [00:46:50] what sound baths were. I had no idea, but a lot of people would tell me, "Jasmine, you should try and go into sound [00:46:55] baths. [00:46:55] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're always giving. Go and just lay and receive. And the sound, the 528 [00:47:00] hertz, it goes into your bones. It goes into- Mm-hmm ... your cells. On a cellular level, you're gonna [00:47:05] feel more rejuvenated." So I started going three times a week. [00:47:09] Dr. Taz: [00:47:10] Mm-hmm. [00:47:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: And that's when my life also changed. I was getting downloads [00:47:15] from God just laying there. [00:47:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: He would literally give me a to-do list to [00:47:20] do, and I would follow them, and my... Like, so many things- [00:47:24] Dr. Taz: Oh my God, give me an [00:47:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:47:25] example ... started to change. Sound has changed my life. That's why I went and I [00:47:30] learned. [00:47:30] Dr. Taz: Ah. [00:47:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's why I learned, because I saw that so many women in my clinic [00:47:35] needed sound and reiki because it's such a easy practice to learn- Right [00:47:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: and [00:47:40] help people. [00:47:40] Dr. Taz: Right. Mm-hmm. [00:47:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: Um, God, two years ago, I was [00:47:45] definitely in the group of wrong friends. [00:47:47] Dr. Taz: Hmm. [00:47:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: wrong [00:47:50] friends that was, you know, God was like, "You're either gonna go this way with these girls or you're gonna go this [00:47:55] way." And he came to me in one of the sound baths out loud twice, [00:48:00] 'cause the first time I kind of, like, ignored it and I was, I wasn't, like, scared, so I'm like, "I'm not gonna let go of all my friends."[00:48:05] [00:48:05] Jasmine Khorsandi: He came twice out loud. It was a very masculine noise, and he's like, "You need [00:48:10] to get rid of..." He said both their names loud. [00:48:12] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:48:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: That, like, kinda took over my whole [00:48:15] body. It felt like I was, like, on a medicine journey, and I listened [00:48:20] After that, when God came into my, he said you need to... And these friends were very toxic. [00:48:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:48:25] Yeah. Very toxic. [00:48:26] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:48:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: Um, so after I, I listened to [00:48:30] him, and, and I, and the next day I just stopped picking up my phone on them. Imagine you're like [00:48:35] 33 years old. I'm not 18 years old to go make a- Right ... bunch of new friends. Right. Mm-hmm. It's [00:48:40] scary. [00:48:40] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:48:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: And I stopped talking to them, and you know, my [00:48:45] life blasted. [00:48:47] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:48:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: I built a clinic from scratch. [00:48:50] All these awakened- Just [00:48:51] Dr. Taz: from making these [00:48:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: changes ... just making these changes. All these [00:48:55] awakened spiritual goddesses came into my life that were high vibrational. I had space [00:49:00] because I was, like, drowning with these girls- Right ... and they were taking me with them. [00:49:04] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:49:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: The [00:49:05] wrong friends can ruin your whole life. [00:49:08] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:49:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: I can- It's like the wrong partner ... it's [00:49:10] like, it, it's exactly the same thing. Yeah. It could be the wrong... Same thing. And [00:49:15] I was, you know, they were, you know, very mean and very [00:49:20] judgmental, not doing the spiritual work, and I was in that group for a really long time, and I [00:49:25] was disconnected to myself because- Mm [00:49:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: I was such a hard critic on myself- Right ... because of [00:49:30] them. [00:49:30] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:49:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? So- [00:49:31] Dr. Taz: I, you know, it's so frustrating 'cause we know so [00:49:35] much nowadays, and we talk about these topics that I think were not talked about when I was [00:49:40] growing up or when I was in my 20s or even my early 30s. But I see young [00:49:45] women today, you know, whether they're coming into the clinic or I meet them, you know, wherever, [00:49:50] and I still don't think they're in their bodies. [00:49:52] Dr. Taz: Like, I still think they're disconnected from their [00:49:55] bodies, and I still think, you know, I would love to cut short this [00:50:00] journey that it takes many of us till 40 or even 50 to get to in terms of [00:50:05] self-realization and alignment and, you know, being able to say no to people [00:50:10] and being able to, to really, to, like, live in your truth, you know? [00:50:14] Dr. Taz: [00:50:15] And I think I get frustrated, you know, that, you know, how do we [00:50:20] get this message to them? How do we get this message to younger women about [00:50:25] getting back into your body? Connec- you know, they get scared now. They're hearing [00:50:30] inflammation's on the rise. I'm, I'm saying it along with everybody else. [00:50:33] Dr. Taz: Inflammation's on the rise. Breast [00:50:35] cancer's on the rise in younger women. There's more toxicity in the environment. You know, there's more [00:50:40] autoimmune disease. There's a mental health crisis, you know? They're hearing these messages, [00:50:45] but I don't think women today are hearing the message of reconnect to [00:50:50] your body to truly stay healthy. [00:50:53] Dr. Taz: And it's just one message. [00:50:55] And reconnecting to your body means embracing the power of your intuition to [00:51:00] understand who the right people are- Mm-hmm ... the right opportunities are, you know, who to surround [00:51:05] yourself, who the right partner will be. Because when you're not, like you're saying, you make wrong [00:51:10] decisions and your life takes a turn, goes this way, and it takes you a [00:51:15] really long time to unwind from all of that damage. [00:51:17] Dr. Taz: Some women never do. And [00:51:20] oftentimes that is when these diagnoses show up, you know? So I don't [00:51:25] know. I'm just spinning here. But I, I just feel like if, if you are watching [00:51:30] and listening to this show and there are younger women in your life, we want them to hear this [00:51:35] message. And I don't know if you would add to any of that. [00:51:37] Jasmine Khorsandi: I think it's beautiful. You spoke for [00:51:40] the both of us. Trusting that intuition. I was scared to trust it because it's scary to let go [00:51:45] of the, the known. But guess what? The unknown is so much better for you. [00:51:50] God's plan is so much bigger and better for you. If you [00:51:55] have that gut feeling that something's wrong, that's God nudging you. [00:51:58] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:51:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's God [00:52:00] nudging you. He will keep nudging you until it gets louder and [00:52:05] louder and louder [00:52:07] Dr. Taz: And the more you're in touch with yourself, the more you can hear [00:52:10] that- [00:52:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes ... noise. You don't wanna wait- Yeah ... until it's a serious loud and something [00:52:15] serious happens. That's what disease is too. There's nudges all the time. [00:52:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:52:20] People always say, "I knew, I knew, I knew." Yeah. "I wish I listened." [00:52:23] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:52:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right? [00:52:24] Dr. Taz: They also say [00:52:25] disease, if you look back, they als- also say disease is a spiritual wake-up call. [00:52:30] [00:52:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh, [00:52:30] Dr. Taz: 100%. It's an, it's, it's not a sentence the way we think about [00:52:35] it in today's world and in, you know, modern medicine. It is more of a wake-up call. [00:52:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:52:40] [00:52:40] Dr. Taz: And it's, uh, the call for you to wake up and get back into alignment with, [00:52:45] you know, whatever, whatever reason you're here and whatever it is that you are- Yes ... or you're not doing, that type of thing. Because [00:52:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: you're [00:52:50] not listening. [00:52:50] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:52:51] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're not listening. Right. Yeah. And that's why that happens, for you to [00:52:55] get in touch with your intuition, to get in touch with your mind, body, and spirit, to wake up.[00:53:00] [00:53:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: Hey, this is not working. God will do mysterious things to wake you [00:53:05] up. That's why we're here in this meat suit. Mm. To learn the lessons, to grow, to [00:53:10] expand, to shift, to change. If it's not working, things will happen [00:53:15] for you to wake up. [00:53:16] Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh. You said it so well. I don't think we could [00:53:20] say it any better. [00:53:22] Dr. Taz: All right. So you have the Sana Seeni [00:53:25] clinic. You're opening up more clinics. [00:53:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:53:26] Dr. Taz: Correct? We're- Where do you intend to head next? [00:53:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: So he- [00:53:30] next we're definitely going to couple more clinics in LA. We wanna go to New York. We wanna go to [00:53:35] Texas. We just wanna spread this amazing option to [00:53:40] women all over the world. [00:53:42] Dr. Taz: And if you could tell women one [00:53:45] thing from your observation, one place to start, what would you tell them? [00:53:50] [00:53:51] Jasmine Khorsandi: I would say start getting in [00:53:55] touch with your body. [00:53:56] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:53:57] Jasmine Khorsandi: Start trusting your [00:54:00] intuition. That's God guiding you. [00:54:03] Dr. Taz: Ugh, powerful. [00:54:05] All right. Last question. What makes you whole? [00:54:10] We ask everybody who comes on the show that question. [00:54:12] Dr. Taz: What fills your cup? You've kind of answered it, but what fills [00:54:15] your cup? What makes you whole? Where do you hear that voice the [00:54:20] best? [00:54:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: What fills my cup, my three-year-old niece- Oh ... [00:54:25] fills my cup. I [00:54:25] Dr. Taz: love that. [00:54:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. We're super close, so we have a play [00:54:30] date once a week. [00:54:30] Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh. [00:54:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: And we have so much fun. [00:54:34] Dr. Taz: I love that.[00:54:35] [00:54:35] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's like we go to the beach, we go to the Santa Monica Pier, we have dance parties, we [00:54:40] go to the beach, and that raw love, you're a mother, you understand, [00:54:45] is a love I feel like I've never experienced before. So having [00:54:50] that really fills my cup. [00:54:52] Dr. Taz: Incredible. And if someone wants to learn more about [00:54:55] you ... [00:54:55] Jasmine Khorsandi: People can find information on my website, uh, [00:55:00] SanaBreast.com- Okay [00:55:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: or Instagram. They could go on my Instagram and message me if they have any questions [00:55:05] about my journey, about the feminine energy. That's something that I love talking [00:55:10] about because it changed me, and I would love to share wisdom [00:55:15] and help guide women on that, because that's your health. [00:55:18] Dr. Taz: Our breasts [00:55:20] are a part of our femininity. [00:55:21] Dr. Taz: Yeah. And I think it, there is something to [00:55:25] that area being so affected nowadays. So I encourage everybody watching and listening [00:55:30] to reach out to Jasmin, or to at least pay more attention to their breast health and get back in touch with [00:55:35] their femininity. And if you're a young woman, get off the rat race, [00:55:40] understand your direction, because you have a lot of amazing things ahead of you.[00:55:45] [00:55:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Whole Plus. 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