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Married to the CEO: Husbands Tell All · Not All Business

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Welcome to Not All Business, a podcast by two former CEO's who
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and from competitors to friends. I'm Blakely Graham and my Co
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host is Heather Cooper. And we're joined by our
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producer, Clay Cornell, who's unsure that today's interview
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was a good idea. Nice look, Clay.
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Today we're flipping the script. Literally.
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We're bringing on the people who saw it all from the other side.
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Our husbands. That's cheers to them.
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All right. Cheers.
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I can't. I can't reach you.
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Normally we do not intro our guests so quickly on the show.
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There's usually pause. Heather and I usually catch up
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for a little bit, but I think it's important to get this like
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right out. So I'm going to go ahead and
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introduce the husbands, OK with my teleprompter because there's
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another in person show that's right in a row.
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It's so exciting. OK, our guest today are Scott
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Graham and Nick Widhelm, the men brave enough to marry too
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ambitious, occasionally impossible former rival CE OS
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Scott survived the CEO life from home while also managing his own
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career, 25 years as a developer at IBM, working on Watson and
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now teaching computer science at Front Range Community College.
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He is also former president of the University of Texas Juggling
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Club. What?
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Which somehow fits perfectly. Yeah.
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Nick worked with Heather at Cloud Coach.
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No story there. No story there.
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Saw her as CEO first hand and then decided to marry her
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anyway. He's now the architect behind
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Trade Agent, an AI platform designed to help tradespeople
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grow their businesses. His hidden talent is beatboxing.
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Not yet, which we're absolutely going to make him demonstrate.
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Not yet. Scott.
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Nick, welcome to Not All Business.
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It is a pleasure to be here. One quick correction I'm going
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to snap you is is vocal percussion.
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Oh, beatbox. Oh, really?
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You offended that? True.
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I am offended, but it's OK. I didn't like prep you.
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I didn't give you like the sheet.
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It is absolutely true. I would not joke about vocal
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percussion. There's some things.
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That are sacred. There are some things that are
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sacred, Yeah. Well, no, there's there's
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differences. Beatboxing is a thing, but vocal
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percussion is a different thing. What's with the difference?
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Well, I was just told we can't get into it yet.
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Oh, I like twice actually. I was told we.
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Can't. Yeah, you went there anyway.
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So actually now is the perfect time.
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Let's just let's. The the perfect well, beatboxing
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is is typically something that you do more.
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It's like a solo thing. Like, you know, you have people
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who are beatboxing or like, you know, stuff like that, like
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solo. But a vocal percussionist is
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trying to emulate a trap set. So they're looking at it going
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I'm going to do a bass drum like A and I'm going to do a snare
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drum like a I'm going to do a high hat.
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I'm going to put together to be. So your whole drum kit.
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And you're backing up a group. So it's not just boots and cats.
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It's not it, honestly. It is all boots and cats,
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though, actually. Yeah, that's that's The Dirty
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secret. OK, let's please, this is my
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thing. So if you could, yeah, please
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respect, you know, 20 years of study, intense study.
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It's just he's hanging on by a thread.
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Yeah, I've got one thing. I've got AI, which Scott already
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took from me, and I've got vocal percussion.
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I did not. I cannot Chuck it.
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No, that's an actual skill. OK so I just do party skills.
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I see you brought your. Balls with you juggling balls.
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There, I do. Yeah, I do bring them.
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He. Brought.
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Us giblets, Giblets, we heard you in the comments, OK?
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Yeah, it's it's time we got the beatbox.
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The people demand it. We have.
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They did. We're just going to jump, right?
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To it, I was demanding it constantly all day.
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Well, so I think The thing is that's interesting about it is
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that like if you, you only become the president of the
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juggling society by participating for a lot of years
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and. You Is it competitive?
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Is it tough? No, they just like let you in
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because you're a senior. It doesn't matter.
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Like I only yeah, it was no big deal.
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But like you start juggling and you're and you come from high
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school and you're like, I can't like I can juggle 3 balls, what
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do I do? And the first thing they say to
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you when you do it is they're like, can you do any tricks?
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So you have to learn to like and you're throwing the ball over
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and over and then you learn how to throw them all over and.
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Oh my God. Then you're doing I don't know,
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this is going to come off terrible on it's.
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Great for the people in the car, right?
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Now when I look at exactly. Let me paint a picture of this.
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My words. They're colorful balls.
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Yeah. And Scott is juggling those
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balls. It's so professionally.
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Here's the thing. The only handle.
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It all comes down to like you at the beginning, you're learnt
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trying to learn this one trick which is called a Mills mess,
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and you can kind of do it. Oh my God.
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Oh. Goodness.
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OK, this is not an episode of listening in the car.
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This is amazing. It's too hard to smite and stuff
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but either way that's the deal. That's.
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Performance though I want to I want to beatboxing.
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Yeah. There we go.
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Oh, do it at the same time. You want to do a duo?
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All right, lifetime, let's do. You want to do a duo?
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Yeah, we got to do it for the reels.
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Yeah, shut me up with the throw at the end.
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There we go. There we go, vocal.
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Percussion. That right there I've been.
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I've been looking for somebody. Yeah.
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Good busker. OK, so these men are ours.
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OK, Thanks. You just back right the hell
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off. Yeah, that was impressive.
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There you go, I'm. Serious.
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I'm serious. That was very impressive.
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We have to have. Skills.
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Here's the point. Right.
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Back. Here's my question to you,
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Heather. Did you know?
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Did you know that Nick did this before you married him?
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I did. I did know.
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And it was actually so funny story.
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We were in some country, I forget.
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Sweden. Sweden and a client had heard at
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a conference or something that Nick was able to do this.
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And so it was the Swedes party like crazy.
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I mean, it was off the hook they had.
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An after 5:00 PM. Yeah, exactly.
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They had an ABBA performance being like full costumes and
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everything. Throughout the entire dinner.
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Everyone is having the time of their life.
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At the very end of the night, the president of the company
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comes up and he says, OK, everybody, we've got one last
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performance or we've got a presentation from the company,
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our company ex cloud coach. And so Nick could come up and I
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was sitting at this executive table and we were at different
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tables and the guy next to me, he's like, oh, this poor
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bastard. Like no one's in the mood for
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like a pitch or you know what I mean?
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Everyone's been partying and he's like, felt so bad for him.
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I was like, hold on, I have an idea about what's going to
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happen. So he went up on stage.
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You pretended to start doing a picture like, so I just wanted
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to clear up a couple things that from the presentation earlier.
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And then he just launched in to this vocal percussion.
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It was 4 minutes long. 4 minutes long. 4 glorious minutes. 4
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glorious minutes. Well, if people at first didn't
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understand what was happening and then once they did, and then
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you did it with this build that was incredible.
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And it was just like just thought it was going to be done.
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And then it went to like to the next level.
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Everyone's on their feet by the end of it, like standing
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ovation. The ABBA band was like, well I
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guess we suck. That's exactly what they told
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me. Yeah.
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They're like, I guess all we can do is do dancing clean now and.
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They're like lip syncing like nobody.
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So it was you were just like made everyone's night.
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And that was, it was kind of a little bit of a like, what's
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this guy got going on? And then all of the girls after
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you, they were like, Oh my God. The Swedes do love.
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They do. Love they do love a.
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Good, that's funny. So yes, I did.
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That's funny. OK, so yes, I did.
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I did know, and it was something I really liked about him.
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But what about you guys? Did you know that Scott was a
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juggler? I did, yeah.
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I did know because you were a juggler and then you told me
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you're a unicycler. So it was like, and then he
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could juggle on the unicycle and he had the unicycle and I think
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maybe you. Could juggle on the unicycle.
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Not anymore. Yeah, but he did and.
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He could. At one point he got to guess at
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one time. And so it was a lot for me to,
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to know that I, we were engaged and he was a juggler and that
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was like confusing. That's not a hobby I'm used to.
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And then I found out he's a unicycler and like, well, where
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did he learn to unicycle? That's like not, but I was all
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set and I had like accepted all that.
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I accepted it. And I was like, this is this
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guy's. A meeting.
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So wait, wait, why was that a bad thing?
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I feel I would be so excited. Because I.
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AM. A like stiff.
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I just didn't. I wasn't loose yet like I just.
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Right. Were you worried he was raised
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in a circus? I was stuffy and proper and this
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was all like it's. It's why we work so well.
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And to be fair, the two of you brought up both vocal
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percussion, thank you, and juggling, saying it's so awesome
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they should do it on the show. Thank you.
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Very. Proud.
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I am super proud, very proud. I brag all the same.
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And so we've talked about both of the couples here, but the
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newest couple in the room we should talk about.
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Happy wedding, newlywed. How do we say that?
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We've got married this year. He's talking about you and me.
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I'm talking about. You guys are longer than you 2.
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Of you. Oh, we.
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Are the new are we are longer than lately and I have been
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together longer than you and I have been married.
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This is going to be difficult, me getting to the question.
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This is going to be difficult. I feel like you guys are just
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going to. I'm sorry.
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That sounds like every podcast. It's.
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Every show. Thank you.
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Yeah, so. Yeah.
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OK, thank you, man. I feel really seen right now.
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OK, All right, So I. Feel like it's time?
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This question, this question, this is your dream episode
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because there's wine on that. They won't let us drink on that
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show for good reasons. OK, regardless, here's the
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question, and the question goes to the men.
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So the newest couple is Blakely and Heather, and they've created
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a show, but they weren't always friends.
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They weren't always podcast hosts.
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So they've transitioned from competitors to friends.
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We've heard their perspective. So now shifting over to the
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other side of the room, like to hear from both of you guys.
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What was your experience like? What was the story like from
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your side? Well, I hated Blakely a lot more
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than Heather did. So yeah, I had Blakely.
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I had Blakely's picture on my wall with, with the the darts on
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it. Every time we would lose a deal
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to you, I would. I just got Blakely.
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Maybe. Maybe it was.
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You and I were also competitors. You and I were also competitors.
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Yeah. And, you know, I think when I
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first heard from Heather that she was going to meet you, I was
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like, what? And this was a good year after
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both of us had exited. But I was like, that.
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That's the CEO of Taskbree. What if she gets our secrets?
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You know any? Secret What if she understands
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how many levels deep in a Gantt chart we can or cannot go?
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I I mean, we can't just get that information out there.
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Big deal. That's a big deal.
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You see what I'm? Saying so, yeah.
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What's a Gantt? What's?
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A Gantt Chart A Gantt chart is a visual representation of a
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timeline for a project. But could anyone is Gantt?
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Is that in a acronym or not? It's a name.
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It's a name ITT. It's funny, I actually never
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knew. I always just sort of assumed
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some dude named Gregory Grant Gantt created the Gantt chart.
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Funny story about trying to get out on a cookie by two TS.
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But anyway, not to get too off the topic.
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Is it 2 TS? Oh, is it 2 NS?
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It's two NS. Yeah.
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So I, I was, I was a little like, OK, call me after.
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I want to hear how terrible this went.
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And she did call me afterward and she was like, we're you
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going to do a podcast? And I said, there is absolutely
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no way in hell that you 2 are going to do a podcast.
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And here we are. On the podcast, you were wrong.
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Yeah, Scott, what was it like for you?
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Much shorter and in, in, in, in the gist.
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I was like, oh, I didn't know you had a competitor.
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Cool. All right, well, have fun, like,
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like. And then she came back and she's
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like, oh, I think we're gonna do a podcast.
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I was like, that sounds cool. Like go have fun like whatever.
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This. Sounds great.
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Like should we move to Fort Collins so we can like be their
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real friends? Yes.
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You should and I'm still and. So yeah, so I just I I never
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like no hole. I don't pay much attention to
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what's going on on in the task Ray world other than what
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directly impacted Blakely on a day-to-day basis.
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And so the rest of it, I was like, I don't know.
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And no offense, I had never heard of this other I I'd heard
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of the other company and all my. Prospects.
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I'd heard of the other company and I knew that it like that
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there were people competing and all this stuff, but that's just
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like regular business stuff. And I was like whatever, you
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know, you guys either make enough money or you don't.
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Like it's not never stressed me out.
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Good, didn't stress me out either.
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You know, the truth is I'm. Glad to know that it stressed
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me. Out.
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It did stress me out. The funny thing was, I actually,
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until we exited, maybe, I don't know, a month before she met
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you, I actually know you were a woman.
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Interesting. Yeah, because I had never met
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you, I'd never seen you, and I'd heard other people refer to you.
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People called me Mr. Blakely all the time, like checking into
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hotels. They're like Mr. Blakely.
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No, I never heard Mr. Blakely, but I would hear Blakely.
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And so I actually never knew that you were a woman.
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Well, we never really got into like the person of you or you
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knowing me or it wasn't about. It was just company to company.
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It was never. It was always company.
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It was like, it was like a constant company.
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Company threat, Yeah, but I, the people part of it never.
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Really came into play whenever we ran into your people at like
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an airport or event that we were always like, they look actually
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pretty cool. They're so fast.
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No, that's what my people would do.
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Fast. They're like.
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Yeah. My guy John Clarkson, shout out
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to him would go talk with them and he'd come back and be like,
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they're actually pretty cool. He's like don't say that, don't
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say that, don't don't make shout.
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Out my guy John as well like. Actually, I know that I know
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that John too and he is very cool.
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The best, yes, he is the best. Shout out to that John too.
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But yeah, no, I did not. It's it is funny.
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I didn't want to think of them as human beings.
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And so, yeah. So when you were not only a
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woman, but a woman who became like immediate best friends with
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Heather, like within. You get the best friend thing,
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you're going to get in. So I got Did you get in so much
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trouble over the best? Friends.
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Sorry, Best. Thing bolder to for call best.
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Friends. Yeah.
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I know best podcast friends. Got a lot for that.
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Well, the best friend thing it's it's very don't you feel like
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you have so many best friends like I?
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Only ever had one best friend. And so I thought best friend my
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whole life, it was reserved for your best friend, right?
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And then Lula, my daughter, she's like, no, you gonna have I
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have like a. 100 best. Friends, I'm like oh, is this
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some new Gen. Z shit?
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Like whoa. But I don't.
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You have close friends that are close to you in different ways,
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though. Yes, right.
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Like you've got your Ogs, like the ones that you grew up with,
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and then you've got ones that made like us with this.
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Like we have so much in common and we have lived this life.
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I get it. I get it too.
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Yeah, yeah. OK, so the interesting thing
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about this episode is that the two of you, the guys, you bring
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a really fun new perspective to the show because our audience,
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our listeners only see and hear. What we want them to.
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Yes, but like I, like I've told you before, the two of you bring
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your full selves to the show, at least from what I can see.
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But we have here the truth tellers.
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So on the show, both Blakely and Heather bring a lot of
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vulnerability and sometimes that.
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Backfires. Oh no.
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I have. Those tissues?
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Don't worry. Oh, OK, she's crying already.
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I can't play. There's a lot of self
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reflection, there's a lot of my therapist even, just like when
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you stir up the pot, some doubt comes up, some insecurities come
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up. And so my question to the guys
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is, what's something that Blakely and Heather don't give
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themselves credit for? And maybe even an extension of
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that is what's something that the two of you don't give
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yourselves credit for, that you think you're getting right, that
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you've seen the fruit come from? Double whammy.
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I think that I think what's fun is that like watching you be CEO
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and do all this stuff, there certainly was like additional
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whatever placed on me. A lot of pressure.
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But The thing is, is that like I still don't, I never managed a
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calendar. I never like, I never knew when
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the kids were going to whatever they were doing or whatever.
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I just did it because it had already been put in the
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calendar. And so there's a lot of, there
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was a lot of management and effort that was taking place
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that was that was still, you were still doing it all and not.
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Like Courtney, shout out to you. And you were still, yeah, you
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were still doing all that. And so like it was that made it
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like not hard because I was doing the part that I like
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doing. And so I think I that was always
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like the, that was the cool thing.
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But I think like from a podcast perspective, she's pretty much
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the it's pretty much the same as she is and.
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Oh, he's basically saying that personality is making a comeback
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into the house, is what I'm hearing.
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Like you are CEO, I had all this like pressure to like help
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support. And the dogs twice today.
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Tired for three years and then all of a sudden this podcast
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happened. And my.
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CEO Blakely is back and I'm walking the dogs twice a day,
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every day, in the cold, and I didn't even walk the dog.
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That is a funnier way to put it. That was I was trying.
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To be it was a good word, so let's get into that.
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Oh, I like that. I like I'm.
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Going to start using funnier is like my like are we fighting or
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are we this is stuff. We're laughing, we're laughing.
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We're. Laughing because it's funny.
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Yeah, but I. Wait, hold on, I don't love how
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you didn't accept what he just said.
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Well. I Did you hear it?
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I heard it and I think that that is quite normal for for women,
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to be honest. Like when we say we can't have
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it all or we have to have it all or we have to see it at the
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table, blah, blah blah blah, all those phrases.
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The reality is we feel I I'm going to make a stereotypical
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comment. We feel this innate need to care
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for our family in a different way than I think men typically
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do, right? Like they're, I think you're, I
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mean, this is such gender stereotype.
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Are you looking for the words hunter and gatherer?
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A little bit like. What do you think he's doing?
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He's walking the dogs. Yeah, I mean picking up sticks.
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I and I, I'm also just really good at it, right?
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Like I can kind of keep all it mentally in my head, like, OK,
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they need their sports physicals, they need their
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regular physicals. OK, they're sick.
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So what like we go AB and C? But you're doing that out of a
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care for them, not out of because you don't trust Scott to
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do it. I don't think that you were like
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coming in like swooping and like I'm going to be CEO of the
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house. I think that's different.
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I think that that I think that I think the difference is, is that
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we identify things as being important differently.
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Yes, OK. And so for me, I look at it and
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go, these are the things that are important.
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I'm going to have fun with my kids.
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Yeah. I'm going to feed my kids.
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I'm going to keep them from dying.
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Sounds. But I asked them when the last
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time they had their teeth cleaned.
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Well, you. Can live without teeth.
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I but well, that's because they cancelled the appointments and
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and. I don't.
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I was busy with the podcast so I haven't had time to.
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Like I make, I tend to make the appointment.
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No, you remind me, but there's impossible to make the
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appointment. This is this is this is good.
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This is about, by the way, what I expected on this podcast.
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Yeah, yeah, let's let's keep you.
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But Scott, do you not care about teeth?
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Is that is that what this is like you were they're important?
21:30
Do not think. I care.
21:31
Yeah, but isn't also like, it's crazy that Blakely wouldn't do
21:34
that though, right? So she also doesn't care about
21:36
teeth. Say that.
21:39
You do. Your teeth are perfect.
21:40
Yeah, I don't know. I took.
21:41
I only have three fake teeth. He's just the bottom three are
21:44
fake. The problem is this with
21:45
teenagers, yeah, they have all their worst schedules and
21:49
they're terrible and you can't figure out when to do it.
21:52
And I made appointments for my kids.
21:54
Twice. Yes, and they had something else
21:57
that wasn't on the calendar that had to be cancelled.
21:59
Here's the difference between like a third dad.
22:01
He came up. I would, yeah.
22:03
That's a learn for the kids. Yeah.
22:05
Yeah, they can give you kids. On my mind, definitely have fun,
22:08
Gavin. The teeth when they're older.
22:10
I'm like, you have insurance and you have a phone, make an
22:12
appointment. Like you can you.
22:14
Can get your I don't know, I, it's, it's a tough one and I and
22:17
I struggle, but I'm also like I don't I need them.
22:22
This is the difference. I think this is one of the core
22:24
differences is which is I like if I don't have, if you don't
22:28
have full agency to make the decision, then you you give up
22:34
agency in that process. So like if you can't, like
22:39
that's what I do anyway. So if I don't, if I can't make
22:42
the decision on my own and I have to ask three people, I'm
22:45
like, well, whatever, I'm not making it, I don't care.
22:48
Like these other three people all have an opinion, and I don't
22:53
care about it, so I'm not going to.
22:55
I'm just out. Yeah.
22:57
And so that's where part of the problem.
22:58
Comes in what I'm hearing. It's not a problem.
23:00
What I'm hearing is I managed the overhead of all, like the
23:03
House of stuff and I'm running the company.
23:05
But I just want to acknowledge, like you gave me the gift of
23:09
letting all that shit roll right off of you.
23:12
And imagine if there were two of us in a house.
23:17
It would be holy fucking nightmare.
23:20
And So what do you mean? Roll off like.
23:23
I came home and I couldn't like shut it off like it was things
23:27
were running a company. You feel so alone, so stressed
23:32
out. You have the weight of the world
23:34
and I had two babies and I I just I couldn't quite shut off.
23:39
So guess who got the fall out like it?
23:42
Sounds like you were like you understood and accepted the
23:44
stress she was under. You weren't resentful toward it.
23:46
You sounds like you understood it.
23:48
Oh, no, totally understood it. Yeah, like, understood.
23:50
Supported was very happy with the whole thing.
23:52
I mean like it was a like it was like it was all like we made
23:58
lots of sacrifices for it and like we sold cars, we sold
24:04
bikes, we sold everything we had that we could.
24:08
It was. Juggling in the street.
24:10
I was like, it was, but I was working at IBM, but I was
24:15
working at IBM and I and I liked it and like I can talk to and I
24:19
was, it's funny, I was explaining telling Nick this.
24:21
I was like, I, I don't take the stress of work in a, in a way
24:28
that matters. Like I just all like once it's
24:31
once it once it's time, once it's 5:00, I'm like, I'm done.
24:34
Like I don't have to stress about it.
24:36
I've I've been married to him for almost 20 years and I don't
24:39
know how he does it. It is.
24:41
It's a gift. It's a true superpower.
24:44
Well, you know, what's funny is so with Heather and I, I had a
24:48
bit of the opposite because when she was stressed, I was also
24:51
stressed. You know, we, we were working
24:53
together. So a lot of the stressful
24:56
situations and, and we, I, I think probably 95% of our
25:01
working relationship was before we even started dating.
25:03
But Even so, like we, I think bonded so much through us both
25:07
being like, Oh my gosh, this client's gonna churn or Oh my
25:11
gosh, how do we get this deal? And so this kind of powder keg
25:15
once we both left cloud coach, I'm like, how do we how do we
25:18
duplicate that at home? So when?
25:20
You wanted to have that high stress environment?
25:23
Yeah. So I just.
25:23
Start bites all the time. Absolutely sexual tension.
25:27
I was like, yes, let's let's get a desk set up here.
25:31
Let's like put a bunch of paper on it so we can just throw it
25:33
off. I joke mostly, but I I part of
25:38
what attracted me to her was how she handled the stress was
25:42
seeing her in that situation, which was the power, but also
25:45
just how she handled it, the way she did it.
25:49
I learned so much from watching her do it.
25:51
And so that was attractive. That was absolutely attractive.
25:55
But I think what surprised me the most with Heather is that
25:58
she is, you know, this powerful, well put together, super bougie
26:03
woman, right? I mean, look, look at.
26:05
Bougie. Super bougie.
26:06
And so when we started dating, I assumed that, you know,
26:11
everything had to be up to the next level.
26:13
What are you going to? It's like we're like, if we're
26:15
going to dinner, it better be a Mission Star restaurant dinner.
26:19
If we're going out to a show, it better be like the best seats at
26:23
the Buell. Like there's no taking it down a
26:25
level. Like when I when I would come
26:27
home and I'd say, hey, let's cook dinner.
26:29
I'm like, am I making like a bechamel sauce?
26:32
Am I getting like oysters? Am I getting like an?
26:34
Oyster Jade. This was the expectation.
26:36
This was the expectation in my head because, and I think most
26:39
people know Heather would think the same thing, that she's just
26:42
classy, She's bougie. Put.
26:45
Together. Well, the butt is, you know,
26:48
like, like I was joking about this before, but like for lunch
26:52
she'll open a can of tuna and eat that or for dinner I'll be
26:55
like, what do you want to do for dinner?
26:56
And she'll be like, I don't know, a grilled cheese sandwich.
26:58
I'm like, OK, like, what do you want?
27:00
Like, you know, what kind of cheese?
27:01
Like do you Yeah. Do you want Gruyere?
27:03
And she's like, do we have American?
27:04
Like I think there's a Kraft American slice in there and
27:07
we'll cut the the moldy part off the.
27:09
Bread. It's just Cracker Barrel.
27:10
I'm no bougie. This is Detroit in me.
27:13
Yeah, this is the white bread strapping.
27:16
This is some type of boy. Yeah, you know, sorry D Town,
27:20
but like. We've got good pizza.
27:21
Yeah, like you do have. But I did like the tomato soup
27:24
was at Campbell's though. Don't.
27:25
Like, don't put some basil in my tomato soup.
27:28
Don't. Do a balls and she's like don't
27:30
Lipton soup. She's like, don't bring home
27:32
some like nice straight. Like straight noodle.
27:36
Yeah, it bloom. I would I expected nothing but
27:39
five star. Now she'll love she loves five
27:41
star. She'll go and do 5. * I love a
27:42
Michelin. She loves a Michelin restaurant,
27:44
but she is equally. Happy.
27:47
Literally just grabbing a handful of crackers and, you
27:52
know, some cheese that again has mold on it that we probably
27:55
scrape off. This is hilarious.
27:58
This is something you guys have in common that I don't think you
28:00
recognize you have. In common.
28:02
Because Blakely can kind of eat a bunch of shit food too.
28:06
And and if I don't, if I'm not here and present to cook her
28:12
food that she can eat that's actually good for her, she will
28:17
literally eat like she said, don't talk something or or
28:21
nachos. She'll just eat nachos and
28:23
cheese, like chips and cheese all the time.
28:25
Yes exactly. I'm just sorry but but they do
28:27
like my. Graham crackers.
28:29
Oh yeah, you mix it Graham crackers and brown sugar and
28:32
butter. She mashes them all together.
28:35
From a ball with like a girly movie.
28:38
Oh my God, it is our. Last Oh my.
28:42
God, but she she. But anyway, that's funny that
28:44
you guys have that in. Common I do corn checks with
28:47
chocolate chips in it. Yes, she'll be like what let's I
28:50
I want I have a sweet tooth. Let's do some dessert.
28:52
I'm like, OK, I like what what do you and she's like corn
28:54
checks and. Yeah.
28:56
That's all you need. I'm gonna try that.
28:58
I'm. Gonna go I I tell you, I was not
29:01
prepared. I'm still not prepared for it.
29:03
I do. I'm still ready to make a.
29:04
Bechamel sauce. Such a good cook, and I do.
29:06
I still don't the bechamel is the white sauce.
29:08
It is the white. Sauce.
29:09
But it's not Alfredo. No, no.
29:10
No, no, no, no. Alfredo is Oh my gosh, no.
29:14
You saw you. Both.
29:15
Of. Our men like cook.
29:17
But I don't know. I know.
29:18
That was a necessity for me, the cook.
29:21
Like I just, I, I'm really bad at it.
29:24
Yeah, horribly. Bad at cooking.
29:25
I don't like it I. Don't like it?
29:27
Grocery stores stress. Me out, whatever.
29:29
Stores. Stress me out.
29:31
OK, every female listener listening to this podcast, I
29:36
guarantee their number one question that they hate from
29:41
their husbands. What should we do for dinner
29:45
tonight? Yeah.
29:46
Preach, are you? Fucking kidding me I'm.
29:48
Do you know why that question is asked?
29:50
Do you want to know why? Why I'm having dinner.
29:53
I know exactly what Scott's about.
29:54
To say, by the way, do you know why?
29:55
Why? Because you actually care.
29:59
And if I just make dinner, you're going to be like.
30:02
Not bullshit. It is 100% this.
30:04
I don't, I don't why? Why would you make seafood
30:06
tonight? We just had seafood yesterday.
30:08
Why would? We do I.
30:09
Never said that to you. Or you maybe your kids want.
30:13
To Yeah. Just I've.
30:14
Never. Said that the decision.
30:16
Why? Is there so much cheese in this?
30:18
I don't. I don't want to have cheese
30:19
tonight. I will wander around the grocery
30:21
store and then sometimes I just go home.
30:22
I'm like, I tried and then go. We're going to just start.
30:25
I don't either. It's just apart all the way.
30:26
It's hell yeah, it's apart. It's so stressed.
30:28
The worst. Yes, it's the worst.
30:30
It's. AI think the problem is is that
30:32
we just talked about it, which is that we all have default
30:35
foods we would eat yeah under any circumstance, right?
30:39
And some of y'all would eat like Nacho cheese and stuff And and
30:49
no offense, I would just like I'm like, I would just cook meat
30:53
and I'm like I'm just eating meat.
30:55
I'm going to eat meat and I'm going to eat a potato and that's
30:58
it and I'm not eating it and like, and so so the problem is
31:02
that we all default to these interesting like things and we
31:06
have to negotiate what our what our default is.
31:09
And so if we can't figure out what our default is, then you're
31:12
like, we have to ask. And so whoever's making the
31:16
whoever's cooking has to be like, well, my default is I want
31:21
to make this meat here that we have in the freezer and this
31:26
right? Is that good, right?
31:27
No, it's not good, right? I would rather have this and
31:30
that. So we.
31:30
Need to be more like if they're cooking, we just eat it.
31:34
I actually think that Clay needs to switch the topic because I
31:38
would argue mad. I would have eaten anything to
31:40
not have to make that decision. And by the way, we're in year 20
31:43
and it's still an issue. So what's our?
31:45
Next topic. That's before we move on to the
31:47
next topic. Quick, quick, quick.
31:48
One more thing I will say when we're ordering out, yeah, it's
31:51
a, it's a whole fucking thing. It's a whole fucking thing
31:54
because it's the DoorDash decision.
31:57
Oh. Yeah.
31:58
And then and Nick's like, where are we ordering?
32:01
And I'm like, whatever you think.
32:03
Yeah. And then you know better.
32:04
Because I do know better. Yeah, I'm like, OK.
32:06
For you, well, I typically it's like this like whatever you
32:08
think and I'm like awesome, Well, I'll go for some Asian
32:11
food. Nope, Heather doesn't like Asian
32:13
food so won't do any any Asian food.
32:14
So then I'm like. Well, but they want Chinese
32:16
food. I like sushi.
32:18
Right, so she'll do sushi. One particular type of Asian.
32:22
Food. One specific type.
32:25
Is there is this too heavy? Is it too heavy I.
32:27
Don't care. And then you ask, what about
32:29
this? I'm like, no, not that.
32:30
No, you'll say I don't care. Then I'll say awesome, let's do.
32:33
We'll do sandwiches. And you're like, yeah.
32:34
That's true. I think that's what happens all
32:37
the time. It's like enough knows.
32:39
It's like, wait, it's, it's similar to like when you ask
32:44
someone to go do something, you ask somebody that you're like,
32:46
you're trying to make a new friend.
32:48
You're like, hey, do you want to go get coffee?
32:50
No, I can't do it that time. Hey, do you want to go get
32:53
coffee? Right.
32:54
No, I can't do it that time. Yeah.
32:56
Hey, do you want to go get coffee?
32:57
No, never calling you. Again.
32:59
Third time, no. Yeah.
33:00
And you're done. And so like, but there's some
33:02
kind of narrative about that. We're going to give you a
33:05
different narrative. You also have this like great
33:07
group of friends and you're like, hey, let's all get
33:09
together in the desert and ride bikes like give us annual boys
33:12
camping trip. Let's do it this weekend.
33:14
No, I can't I got to do this for my wife or no, I can't.
33:16
I got to do this or my kids or whatever.
33:19
And then and you're like, OK, what about this date?
33:20
And you guys are always trying to negotiate.
33:22
And it took you like 10 years to figure out no more negotiation.
33:25
You pick the day and say, I'm going to the desert, I'm riding
33:28
bikes. This is the weekend.
33:30
You either come or not. You leave through it.
33:32
And then they all end up, all of them end up making it happen.
33:37
That's what I want at the dinner table.
33:39
But I don't care what they think.
33:41
At the dinner table. OK I OK I have a suggestion.
33:45
So there is an app that. Tech is going to solve this.
33:49
So tech can help solve. This is this like round.
33:52
Robin Yeah, the millennials or whatever.
33:55
Stop Pizza. Are you a millennial?
33:57
Are you a Gen. Z?
33:58
Or like, what are you? He's 35.
34:00
There's a lot going on right now.
34:01
Sorry, I'm a. Millennial than Andy, older than
34:04
Andy. I do a lot of stereotypes about
34:08
I shouldn't anymore. I'm learning so.
34:11
It does kind of make the show interesting though, so just keep
34:13
going on with it. What's your app?
34:15
The app that already exists is 2 people want to watch a movie
34:18
tonight and the app will serve the 2 users a bunch of movies
34:24
and they say yes or no to the movies then at the end of the
34:29
day. Movies.
34:30
At the end of the day, both people get alerted which movies
34:33
the other person said that they would watch tonight.
34:35
Oh my gosh, what is this app? Okay, I need this right now I.
34:39
Don't know the name of the app, I've only.
34:41
Maybe they'll sponsor. Maybe they'll be a.
34:43
Sponsor. So here's here's the solution.
34:46
25,000. By the way.
34:49
So here's the solution. OK, the solution is it's the
34:51
same app, but you get asked after the last meal you ate.
34:55
So if it was lunch, what do you want for dinner tonight?
34:58
And then you get served a bunch of basically.
35:01
Like right after you're full no. No, but like basically you don't
35:04
get asked for breakfast what you want for.
35:05
Lunch, OK, that's a good one out with my dad.
35:07
So I was like OK do. We got finished lunch.
35:10
What? Are we doing for dinner?
35:11
Yeah, it's. Actually, you're kind of like,
35:13
oh, it's starting to be like meal time and here are your
35:16
options because you either at the beginning of the week, you
35:18
put what's in your fridge or you say tonight's take out night,
35:22
here are the options. And then you don't have to talk
35:25
to each other as the people. You basically get served options
35:29
by the app. Hey, here's what the options
35:31
are. Then you say yes or no, and then
35:33
at the end of the day you get served, no pun intended.
35:37
Wait, this doesn't exist though yet?
35:39
I have not. Heard, no, but I'm going to go.
35:42
We're going to go right now. Yeah, yeah, This is trademarked.
35:45
This trademark now. Yeah, this is trademarked all
35:48
business. I mean, here's the good news.
35:50
We've been married for 20 years and this did not break the
35:52
marriage. And so we're going to be married
35:54
for. Humble Brig.
35:55
A lot of people again. We've only been married 19
35:59
years, Yeah. Well, some of us aren't so
36:01
lucky. Optimistic.
36:03
Anyway, I'm just saying. Don't count all your tickets.
36:06
We're going to be OK, yeah. I believe it.
36:09
I think you guys are going to make it to 20 we're.
36:12
Going. To make it to 20, I think you, I
36:15
think you guys are going to make it 6 more months.
36:17
I think you got it. Cheers.
36:19
Cheers you. Yet so it's OK.
36:28
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I would like to ask a question about the podcast.
37:29
So we do know that both Nick and Scott listen, watch, support the
37:34
podcast. So this is a question not just
37:37
from the two of you, it's from me too.
37:39
What do you like about the show? What's going good and what would
37:43
make the show better? I want to commend you for
37:48
wrangling these ladies. They.
37:52
So what's going good is the guy on the show.
37:55
They are. Gosh, you're.
37:57
Right, Heather? Wow.
37:58
Yeah, he can't. Even keep his chair quiet over
38:01
there. I, I will say that I will say
38:04
that you guys have so much fun on the podcast that I wish the
38:09
podcast was two hours long. What?
38:12
Because I would like to listen to an hour and a half of the
38:16
guest. So basically it's like either
38:22
you shut up or I love the gas. Well, no, but I like your, like
38:26
your your your banter is so awesome.
38:28
Everything about it is so fun. I get and I and after
38:33
participating in it, I recognize that like you, it's really fun
38:38
to watch y'all talk, but I feel bad for I don't feel bad for us
38:42
because we we've dealt with you for the whole.
38:44
Existence we've. Been dealing, we've been dealing
38:46
with you forever. But I think that like, I think
38:48
sometimes I'm like some of the guests I'm like, oh, I think I
38:51
only heard him talk for 20 minutes or 10 minutes.
38:54
I'm like, I, I think the podcast was an hour.
38:56
Did I just listen? And I'm like, I enjoy it, but I
38:59
miss them anyway. I don't know it's true.
39:02
That's but and I and I, every time I and I observe clay, like
39:05
trying to wrangle y'all, Yeah, and get it all back into place.
39:09
He's got his work cut out for him.
39:10
That's for damn. And I love it.
39:12
I love it. That's that whole dynamic is
39:13
fun. I.
39:14
Was gonna say the opposite. OK, good.
39:16
I was gonna say I I want I want the I was gonna agree.
39:18
I want the podcast longer, but that's because I want more of
39:20
you 2 talking. That's really yeah yeah, I love
39:24
the guests. The guests are great.
39:25
No angry guests in here. I'm.
39:26
Team Neck, thank you. Yeah, but I, I love that you're
39:30
talking and I wish it was longer.
39:32
I wish it was longer. I think, you know, what I love
39:35
about it is the, the sex ad for business that Blakely I think
39:38
said right from the beginning. I, I love that.
39:39
It's like, let's get it. Look, you know, when you work in
39:42
business, whether it's a small or a big corporation, there's
39:46
just a lot of bullshit, right that gets said and everyone has
39:48
to kind of nod each other and be like, absolutely, I agree with
39:51
this thing. And no one wants to talk about
39:53
the actual reality of of what is a complex, multi layered
39:59
situation that doesn't have an easy yes or no.
40:01
And look in the corporation that you typically don't get to have
40:05
that kind of layered, nuanced opinion on something.
40:07
So I love that you get to, you know, bring that up in this kind
40:10
of group. Do you see like as, because I
40:14
mean we're just starting out like we haven't like fully
40:16
outlined a whole go to market plan and like our ideal customer
40:19
profile and all that because we weren't really sure who it was
40:21
going to resonate with and it was a T.
40:22
MICP go to. Market ICP, Yeah.
40:25
I wasn't really sure whether male guests would listen.
40:29
And we actually have quite a few, which is surprising me
40:32
because I, I thought just because of you and I are the
40:35
same, you know, women mid whatever, like mid 30s, like
40:40
obviously. So I just thought that that
40:42
would focus on my gravitate toward a certain audience.
40:46
But I've been surprised, yeah. By a lot of man listeners.
40:49
Yes, I and so I. Wonder it just.
40:51
Doesn't help when you say man listener, man guest.
40:54
Every time can you guys? Back me up on that.
40:56
Just like I had. Someone ask me when our first
41:00
man guest was going to be. I think.
41:02
It's us, by the way. I was.
41:04
Going to well, I was going to say that like what's what you
41:07
guys have brought to us individually that you're trying
41:13
to also bring through the podcast, which is what I like,
41:16
which is that like for the Pat, like for the last 10 years of my
41:21
job at IBM, I was I was mentoring young women in many
41:27
cases and. There's not a way to say it.
41:30
There isn't a creepy way there. Really isn't, yeah.
41:35
There were young. Women on my team and I ended up
41:38
and I was the old dude who was like, no, you shouldn't
41:42
volunteer to take the notes. The minute.
41:44
Stop, stop. And I would have to and I would
41:47
have conversations with them about their development or what,
41:50
or, or about being a good programmer and I'd go, oh, don't
41:54
volunteer. When I don't volunteer, it's
41:57
because I don't want to do it. And if you don't want to do it,
42:01
don't volunteer. And you don't.
42:02
Want to do it? Nobody.
42:03
Wants to do it. Make the manager assign one of
42:07
us to do it. So where did that come from?
42:08
Did that come from your relationship with Blakely?
42:10
Were you raised with that? No, I think it's a lot.
42:13
I think part of it was is like observing like Blakely's like
42:17
like life in the workforce and like seeing what a woman's going
42:21
through in the workforce and going, Oh, I'm not participating
42:24
in that. I'm going to go a different way
42:26
and I'm going to try to help all these other women.
42:28
And that was super fun to be like, like I had these just so
42:33
many great, like great people I worked with and they and like,
42:38
but I would be like, my wife's awesome and my wife would tell
42:42
you to do this. This is what she would say.
42:45
And so like, don't like, she's good.
42:49
Don't like, you can be good. You're going to be great.
42:52
Do this. Don't fucking take notes.
42:55
Don't do this unless you want to, like unless it's assigned
42:58
like whatever. And there was a lot of other
43:00
things that I talked about. To what Nick said and like
43:03
liking the sex Ed part and when we mean when we say sex Ed, we
43:08
mean is like all that Sticky said like all the questions
43:10
you're like too afraid to ask, right.
43:12
That happened in the workplace. And I I think that is such a
43:17
great example of a sticky situation where women are
43:22
assumed to be the good minute takers that organize and we are
43:25
often I get it. We are it doesn't mean we need
43:28
to take it. I love your advice.
43:32
A manager should assign it and it, you know, right, it gets, it
43:36
gets to be part of your job, not like an extra thing that you do
43:40
well and then you're stressed because you're bringing that
43:43
home and you're bringing this home and this home because
43:45
you're good at it. Like that's not how it works,
43:47
you know? And I think that's the, that's
43:49
the nuance is that you ask me to do it, I'll do it 100%.
43:53
I'll do it once I'm asked, but I'm not volunteering for it like
43:56
but there's you asked me to move.
44:03
That's OK. So but that's but I think that
44:05
nuance is interesting and like how we that's interesting how we
44:09
manage it, no. That's really good and good for
44:11
you for being willing to lead to the next generation that way and
44:15
empower them because it is different.
44:17
I mean for them to hear that from you and referring to your
44:21
successful wife, that's not only inspiring to them, they feel
44:24
taken care of in that they feel permission.
44:26
So it's really good. And if you wouldn't have been
44:28
aware enough to understand or even notice that, which so many
44:32
people aren't. And that's part of what we're
44:34
trying to do. We're just trying to raise the
44:35
awareness of this is our reality.
44:37
So we're not blaming anybody for it.
44:39
We're just saying this is what we've lived through.
44:42
This is what's still happening in so many ways.
44:44
And so let's just call it out. And it's not about blaming.
44:47
It's just about saying, you know what, that's not OK.
44:50
And here's another way. To deal with it, here's another
44:53
way that's better. If it's we're not, they're all
44:56
the hurdles have not been solved yet, you know, but that's all.
45:01
We have more to do, more sticky situations, more sticky.
45:05
Situations. That is why we're here.
45:06
Right. Now that is the impetus, the
45:10
right word. That's a good word it.
45:12
Is the right word or? The podcast, because we're not
45:16
here to maybe solve that issue. We don't have the hubris, man.
45:21
I'm just on fire. You are on fire.
45:25
Someone was looking at his Latin roots before this.
45:28
OK, OK. We're not.
45:31
We don't have the hubris to think that we can solve the
45:32
problem alone. That's why we're going out
45:35
asking people, what do you think?
45:37
We're hopefully at our best shedding light and hearing
45:43
people's stories, getting great guests on the show to come in
45:48
and say here, here's my perspective, here's how I see
45:51
it. And for our listeners and our
45:53
viewers, for them to connect with one person for one second
45:59
of what they said would mean everything.
46:01
And Heather says it so often, but she's like, where this is,
46:05
this movement is happening. And we're like, we don't know
46:09
exactly what it is yet, but we're trying to find out.
46:12
And that's what I find exciting about the show.
46:14
That's what I find exciting. So this whole conversation has
46:17
been so enlightening to be able to listen to and be part of and
46:21
facilitate. I mean, every now and then I'd
46:24
be like, Oh yeah, is everything like, can we hear everybody
46:26
like. You know, just double.
46:27
Checking everything I've. Been you're like diving in.
46:30
Yeah, but Heather, why don't you wrap the show?
46:34
OK. Interact are you?
46:36
Going to. Wrap.
46:37
Yeah, you want you want a freestyle.
46:39
I really don't, right? I did.
46:41
Yeah, no, Yeah. So the rap we kind of covered
46:46
too many all of our situations, but I want to thank you for
46:56
hugging me when I come home after a really long day and just
47:00
being that person because on camera, off camera stress, it's
47:07
a lot and trying to do a movement like Clay said, it's a
47:12
lot. It's worthy and I'm up for it
47:18
and thank you for being up for it with me.
47:21
But there is a purpose here and this is live.
47:24
This is 2025 live problems that we still are facing.
47:29
This isn't 1950, issues like this is still today and.
47:33
We have to raise men and. Women and women through it.
47:38
And so it's a lot to carry. And so I feel like I can be
47:42
strong out there in the world. And so thank you for being my
47:47
safe place that I can come home to and be eating out of a can of
47:52
tuna and oyster crackers. And you just laugh and you give
47:57
me the sweetest hug and you make me a proper meal.
47:59
And I just really, I couldn't do it without you.
48:02
So thank you. I love you too.
48:06
OK, but you were also supposed to.
48:08
That was my wrap of the show, Clay.
48:10
OK, you were. That was very sweet.
48:12
But you also have a responsibility to wrap the show.
48:16
That was it. I was wanted to say thank you.
48:19
Are we going to do smiles? It's our tradition.
48:24
OK, fine. So after I thanked you.
48:26
OK, so we have a tradition here at the podcast where we ask our
48:31
guests a question and we answer also ourselves, which is what
48:35
brought a smile to your face this week.
48:38
Well, I I will say something that's pretty great is my son is
48:43
the lead in his musical. He's 13 and he is the, he's
48:48
Harold Hill in the music man, his favorite musical, which
48:51
cause most 13 year olds have a favorite musical.
48:55
And, and this is tech week and I took him to school this morning
48:59
and he got in the car and he was very quiet, which is unusual.
49:02
And I was like, hey, man, you, how you feeling?
49:04
You're doing good. And he's like, I'm on vocal
49:08
rest. And I said, oh, of course,
49:13
absolutely. You're on vocal rest.
49:14
Absolutely. And and then I spent the whole
49:19
like 15 minute drive trying to get him still because I was
49:21
like, come on man. You know, I was like, yeah, what
49:23
about, you know, that game? And Nope, he, he was so
49:26
dedicated to his craft. He just sat there in silence
49:30
just resting his instrument. Yes.
49:34
So he is going to kill it this week on Friday on his premiere.
49:38
So I'm excited for that. I brought a smile on my face.
49:41
Also, my daughter's the lead in her musical too, but that's in
49:42
April. But I only get one of these
49:44
podcasts, so I'm just going to call that out too.
49:46
Wow. Yeah, way to balance it out.
49:48
Yeah, a lot. Of music.
49:49
A lot of no, they're going to listen to this.
49:51
Podcast. Yeah, it is a lot of music in
49:53
the house. Hell, at one time, yeah, they
49:57
all sing at the same time, their own songs in their own musicals,
50:00
Nick included. So.
50:03
But, you know, it's just one of the joys of my new life.
50:07
Yeah. What do you got?
50:08
I think I really enjoyed getting my prep notes for this and like
50:15
reflecting on all the questions and thinking about it.
50:17
It was fun. It was fun to think about.
50:20
Like it's fun to think about 20 plus years of like being
50:25
involved in this kind of stuff and it was fun.
50:27
It gave me a smile to just like think about our relationship and
50:31
the whole thing and the whole struggles and and the fun of it.
50:35
The. Fun of it my smile the week is
50:40
not going to be what you think. So as listeners know and how
50:43
they're especially I have a little known condition called
50:48
misophonia. And it's a real like some
50:52
misophonia is when like noises cause rage and you want to like
50:55
punch holes in the wall. And this past week our son asked
51:00
to host a house show, a punk emo house show and our house.
51:08
And that's fine. Like that actually is a happy
51:10
ending. That's not going to be my story.
51:11
That'll be a story for another time.
51:13
But what I didn't expect was they had a rehearsal day and we
51:17
were trying to clean the house. And also we were hosting another
51:20
party. So we had a party from three to
51:22
seven, and the house show was 710.
51:25
But from 11 AM to like, 3:00 PM, here's what was going on.
51:32
My son and his band were in the basement with no insulation,
51:36
like banging drums and screaming and yelling and, like,
51:40
rehearsing for their punk show. And then the rec center across
51:44
the street had their septic bust rose.
51:47
Yes. And so.
51:48
Everywhere. I don't know.
51:50
I wasn't since. This.
51:52
Shit. Was just.
51:53
Loud. It was like a club going like
51:57
like just like the septic pump and like our daughter like has
52:01
some needs. And never noticed.
52:02
Dogs were barking and they were barking at the neighbors and all
52:05
this was happening and Scott was in the kitchen cooking
52:10
enchiladas was the party. And he was like enchiladas.
52:16
And I like, in that moment, I'm like, there's like, one more
52:23
noise I could like handle. And Lula comes in and she's
52:26
like, do you ever realize, like Dad hums when he's by himself?
52:33
And it's just like. That's why he's so damn happy.
52:35
Nothing bothers this guy, it just.
52:37
Took the misophonia away for a minute because I just
52:40
concentrated. I mean, I don't want you humming
52:42
too much. Don't get me wrong.
52:45
Don't get crazy. Like smile and realize like it's
52:48
OK. Like the noise is OK.
52:50
Like he finds peace in the humming and he can tune out.
52:54
Punk and septic and dog barking I can do.
52:57
That's good. That was really sweet.
53:04
I already did my smile. Yes, you did, girl, and it was
53:07
beautiful and we all had some tears on that one.
53:10
That was my smile. That was pretty.
53:11
Yeah. All right, Clay, bring us home.
53:13
All right. I've had an amazing few days
53:16
where I've been the welcomed guest into both of your homes.
53:21
And my trip got started off by I showed up at Heather's house and
53:26
she had changed the the lights, the LED lights on the outside of
53:30
her house to the Detroit Lions colors.
53:34
That's so cool. Good.
53:36
On you. Then I got to play Nick's
53:39
guitars. He said I want you to play, so I
53:44
got to play his guitars. Then he made me an amazing
53:46
breakfast and taught me a life lesson in the morning which was
53:49
incredible. Don't eat the eggs out of the
53:52
ass. That's right.
53:53
That's the one. OK.
53:54
OK, it's it. We'll talk about another
53:56
episode. It's so good.
53:58
It's so good. Yeah.
54:00
Then I got to show up at Blakely and Scott's house and be the one
54:06
who gets like a hug at the door too.
54:10
And then like, hey, like, let me give you the tour and what do
54:13
you want to eat and all of that. But then I got to sit at the
54:20
dinner table with you. And it is an amazing thing to be
54:25
a guest and to be asked questions about your life.
54:28
And I got to share basically my entire life story last night.
54:34
And I was so honored because all of the questions that you asked
54:40
were I knew that you had listened to what I had just said
54:43
and you were curious about more active listening.
54:46
That was so amazing to be asked questions about my life and be
54:50
able to share. So I felt very welcomed in both
54:53
of your homes. And it was really fun.
54:55
And then we listened to music last night and had conversations
54:57
about music and Detroit and all stuff.
54:59
It was so cool. So my smile this week was just
55:02
to be like man I feel like 1,000,000 bucks so.
55:06
We need more in person, Clay. Yeah.
55:08
We do more in person. Clay agreed.
55:10
I agree with that. Producer desk it's days.
55:14
Pull you away from. Yeah, you might need a new.
55:17
So if you'd like to sponsor a clay visit, just dial 1800
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Sponsor Clay. OK, so speaking, so Speaking of
55:24
which, let's wrap the show. Yeah.
55:25
Where can people find us? How can they support us?
55:29
All right, it's getting hot in here, y'all.
55:31
It's it's it's tight. 55 people in a 9 by 12 space.
55:36
Thank you, Blakely. The studio is awesome.
55:38
Yeah, and great. Thank you.
55:39
Scott Soundproofing. Thanks for coming.
55:42
The neighbors can't hear us. You guys can do all kinds of
55:45
things in the studio. I don't you.
55:48
Got next slide. Clear the desk.
55:50
Yeah, clear the desk. Clear hashtag clear the desk.
55:53
It was pretty clear. Let's OK, we've got clear the
55:55
desk. That's another one.
55:57
Do it in the studio your. Correction.
56:00
Snap your correction and smash that.
56:02
Subscribe Finance your merch request 20 Oh God that was
56:05
gross. I was like winking at the
56:07
camera. Done.
56:08
And using your and using your finger gun.
56:10
All right, and we're gonna go out on sexy Blakely to the
56:12
holidays. We will see you next week.
56:16
Go no Bella.