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Casual Friday: Layoffs, Dream Boards, and a CEO Who Said What?! · Not All Business

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Hey, hey, it's Casual Friday. We've got a great episode coming
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this week. We get into all sorts of sticky
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situations, whether it's being tempted by big packages, that's
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what she said, to being forced into sharing too much of your
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private life, to some pretty unspeakable horrible comments
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being said by a supervisor. We help our listeners navigate
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through all of it. We also get into some pretty
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intense rapid fire where I say some bad words.
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So if you've got kids in the car, maybe earmuffs for this
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episode, but it's going to be a lot fun.
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Thank you so much for hanging out with us.
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Welcome to not all Wait. She always likely does this
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better than I do. She says Welcome to Not All
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Business, a podcast by two former CE OS turned friends.
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It's going to be great. We have a producer named Clay
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and yes, let's get down to business.
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You all ready? We're ready.
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Let's go. OK, let's do it.
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Welcome to I don't interrupt my. No, I'm not interrupting.
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Shows with boots and cats, but. No, it wasn't.
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It was a wild thing. Wild thing.
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All right, welcome to Casual Friday, everyone, where Heather
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and I get red sticky situations from Clay.
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I mean, Clay's not in the sticky situation, so he just reads
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them. Clay, just want to emphasize in
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the. Background typing up all the
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sticky situations. These are coming from people,
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not me. Not read the.
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Actual people. But the just real quick though,
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on Instagram though, there's one sticky situation where the way
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that it's edited is I start and this is out.
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You can go see it now on our Instagram page.
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I start and I basically I read off.
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I'm curvy and thick and I'm having issues with my wardrobe
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and and I'm like, I've watched it And I was like, are we about
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to put this out? And then I was like, this is
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exactly why we started this show for me to read this.
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Hold the phone, Clay. You would not believe so on the
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last sticky situation episode, we read the most amazing
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listener letter where the woman like took some advice and she
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got a promotion. It was awesome.
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So today, and I know you did not know this because you would not
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have brought that up today, we got another letter and it's
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about that real. The one you.
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The curvy and thick 1 yes, all right, stars are aligning.
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Do tell, OK? I'm a little sad that I'm not
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reading it, but I can't wait to hear.
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Oh no, no, no, it's so good. OK, I'm reading this listener.
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I would call it a reader reaction.
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Maybe a listener reaction. I'm not sure if it's a letter.
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Like it was a little short note. It said OMG which stands for.
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OK, everybody knows that. I don't know, Clay is really
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pedantic about his initial. I wasn't allowed to say Oh my
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God as. My.
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Gads, I had to say goodness, Oh my goodness.
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All right, Oh my goodness. Listening to the latest Casual
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Friday episode and I've never related to anything more in my
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life than when you mentioned, and she means me, that you have
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to this day bad pasture because of having large boobs.
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The exact same thing happened to me starting in 8th grade.
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That's right, like when it happened to me.
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Well I guess that's puberty right?
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And I used to hunch and wear 2 sports bras so that people
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wouldn't notice my boobs. It is the reason why I have bad
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posture. Me too.
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I've never heard anyone else talk about doing the same thing.
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I think most girls used to flaunt them or used to flaunt
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them, but I've always tried to hide them.
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I have never felt so seen as when this listener wrote in and
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I know we do this podcast for our listeners, but I am telling
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you full circle moment when I received that note, it was like,
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thank you because you guys gave me no empathy on that.
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We did that large boots. Wow, wow, wow, right that was.
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Pretty much it. It's been a plight.
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It's, it's not horrible, it's just hard, right?
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It's just hard. And I just love this.
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I love her, I love her. That's so nice.
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That's beautiful. Well, thank you for writing in,
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and I'm sorry. I hope I.
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Hope you're nicer to me next time.
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Yep, I am not walking into that. I hope you guys, I'm sorry I cut
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you off. I hope.
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I'm not walking big and tall into that with my great posture
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and my because of I What's my excuse for bad posture if I
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don't have that weight on the front side holding me down?
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I have no excuse. So I have to cut you off, cut
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you down, make myself feel better.
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Right. And I'm sorry that my silence
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came off as. Non supportive.
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Non supportive. If I were a bra I would have
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been a non supportive bra in that moment and I just wanted to
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say that I I want to be a supportive.
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Bra. Underwire Bra.
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You want to be a supportive. For class.
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I don't say bra, but everyone. Says Bra.
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Did you say the four class? Those are the worst.
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Yeah, the four class. I don't know about underwire
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ones, sports bras and like padded ones and then I think I
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know of like another kind, but I can't push up those are not.
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All mutually exclusive. You know those can be all
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combined into one. Yeah.
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But good job on naming your types of bras.
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Sports bras are the worst. They're the worst.
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And I tried, when I'm doing this PIP for pup thing, like to get
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away without putting one on 'cause I just can't.
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I hate them so much and I get tangled up in them and I get
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stuck in my closet for like a good 20 seconds with my arms.
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Like I can't, I'm stuck. I need to get out of them.
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But then I did a couple videos. I'm like, now it's going to have
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to happen. I can't can't skip that.
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So you're. Welcome.
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Speaking of being supportive, I was not necessarily going to do
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the PIP for PUP. You know I already am like at
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the gym working out, getting like bossed around and not sure
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I needed more. Hard buddy.
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But we have this big, we have this big competition every year
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at CrossFit. It's called the Open.
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Anyone can do it. It's three weeks long, you have
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3 workouts. It's just, it's really fun to be
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honest. But every year there is one
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workout where they do like this progression ladder.
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It's some kind of exercise. And then it's like a jumping
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pull up, some kind of exercise. And then a regular pull up, some
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kind of exercise, chest to bar pull up.
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Sometimes it kind of some kind of exercise and then a muscle,
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muscle up. So like that's a pull up
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progression and so whatever I can do jumping pull ups, you can
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jump, you can do jumping pull ups.
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Obviously who? Can.
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It's just jumping. It's just why they had the word
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pull up on, I don't know. It's.
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Just not a real pull up. I thought you were just being an
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asshole. No, no, no, no.
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But I get to the pull up and I couldn't do 1 today.
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Like not one, not a single one. So I had to sit there for 8
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minutes while the clock was running out of time, just
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attempting and there's. That's why I hate it.
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This doesn't end. Is every year they like try to
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film me because so many people get their first pull up during
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the open and it's like tears and we're celebrating and it's
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awesome like so many people. And so they always know I'm a
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target for it. So they like secretly film the
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year. And I like, sorry, disappointing
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you once again. It's not my year.
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And. Are you close though?
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Do you? Are you?
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Like done one once. OK.
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But I'm a yo yoer in terms of weight and I think it makes a
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huge difference. So like when I'm up, it's
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harder, right? It's more body weight to pull.
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And when I'm down, I guess that one time is down.
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I got 1. And so I'm just sending I just I
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got my stress weight on this month and so I'm not really that
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close. No, I mean, I guess I kind of
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am. But all to say.
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Welcome to the team. I just like, maybe I'll just do
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the PIP for PUP with you, yeah. Yes.
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Yes. Yes, yes.
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And you're not alone. We've got other people following
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it along too. So.
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I know, I know. That's actually inspiring.
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I was people are like texting us going I'm the day behind.
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But I got this. I still no one's sharing the
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videos though. I'm like come on people, let's
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post. Why don't you guys post some
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stuff of looking ridiculous? I got to show the.
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Video No, of course you weren't. No one.
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No one's doing that. That's just me all out on my
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own. But hey, who doesn't want to see
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an old lady try to work out? I mean, is there anything better
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out there? I don't think you're.
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Pretty funny. I want to see your bloopers
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reel. Just saying.
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I got all tangled up in a band the other day.
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It was humiliating. OK.
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That is going on air. It's a struggle.
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Got to show that one. All right, I will.
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I mean, who cares? Yeah, OK.
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Sorry, Clay. No, no, no, not at all.
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Speaking of getting tangled up in something trying to figure
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your way out. Yes.
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We've got some sticky situations today, and yeah, Blakely said
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earlier. Like, aren't you the host?
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This is off mic. She was like, aren't you the
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host? Aren't you supposed to do this?
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Well, you know what? I'm stepping in, step in.
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It's time to get through some sticky situations.
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Let's do it. We've had people write in, we've
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got them curated, we're ready to go through them.
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So it's another Friday. Are you 2 ready?
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So ready bring it. We're not going to bring it.
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It's. Not rapid fire yet, we're just
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doing sticky situations. Rapid fire is coming.
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Rapid fire is honest. It's the.
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Worst part of my week. OK.
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Let's go. Let's do it.
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You won last time, stop complaining.
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I didn't. It was like a courtesy win.
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agent.com. OK, this first sticky situation
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we're going to get into, I'm really curious about what you
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have to say because this one seems like not like what would
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you have done? But what should I do?
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So it's like right now, OK. OK.
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Here we go. Hi Blakely and Heather.
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I work as a senior manager at a large tech company, the kind of
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work that, honestly, AI is starting to eat.
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My company just announced voluntary early exit packages
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ahead of what might be a broader round of layoffs.
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The package is generous. That's what she said.
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Sorry listener put this in. Sorry about that.
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In my case, 18 months of severance.
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Yeah, that's very generous. OK, OK, but wait for the next
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sentence. I'm not taking it.
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I'm a significant breadwinner with two young kids, and even
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with 18 months of runway, I'm scared of what the job market
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looks like on the other side. Right now, several people are
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taking the package, both direct reports and peers.
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My reasoning is that I might be able to absorb multiple teams,
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grow my scope, and make myself harder to cut.
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The risk I know I'm taking is that the first packages are
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usually the biggest and they could still cut me in the first
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round, or I could receive less or even nothing in a subsequent
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round. I know I've made my decision,
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but I'd love to hear how you'd think about this.
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Am I being smart or would I have been better off taking the
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money? Yeah.
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Wow, I don't like this one because I there it is.
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We might lose a listener after this one, because I'm going to
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be really. Honest, what are you going to
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say? I'm.
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Going to be really honest about it.
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I feel like I owe it to him or her.
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Oh. You're not going to absorb the
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other team because if they thought you were someone to
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absorb the other team, you wouldn't be on the list.
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You wouldn't be on the voluntary exit list in the first place.
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Isn't everyone on the voluntary exit list or No, it doesn't say
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that. Well, it doesn't say I not
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typically, no. You wouldn't put a whole company
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on a voluntary exit list. There would be a list of like
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there would be a decision at a certain level of management.
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If that's true, if everyone is on that, then that's a different
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story. Then yes, potentially you could.
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But if you, if you're part of this group, one that has been
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given this offer, then that list was compiled by someone and your
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name is on it. And so that's going to be a lot
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to come back from to absorb other departments just because
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you decide to stay. So I'm not saying you shouldn't
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stay and you have to do what makes the most sense for your
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family in this immediate moment and your connections and
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likelihood of getting another position, like all of those are
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very, very important things to consider.
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But I would not stay to hang your hat on the fact that it's
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likely if you choose to stay that you'll be the one to get
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promoted or take these other departments.
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That would be a very, very risky thing to do.
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OK. I see your perspective.
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I, I will say Scott worked for Scott, my husband worked for IBM
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for 25 years and they are a margin based business.
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So they are in the business of cutting people a lot and re
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adding, cutting and re adding, right.
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It's like a strategy. And so he got put on these
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voluntary lists quite often, like every year.
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And every year he got saved, so to speak.
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So I, I think it wasn't as like someone was picking people, they
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were picking teams. And so I do think she might just
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be on a team versus, but, but you're I, I, I think your point
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is really valid, Heather, because my inclination on that
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is if you're going to proactively stay and that is
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what you're hoping for, hope is not a strategy.
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And so you got to go make it happen, right?
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Like, I maybe start asking some probing questions like, hey,
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this is what's happening. This is who's leaving.
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I'd like to absorb this, like get the response.
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Absolutely, because it's. Probably, yeah, it might not be
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too late to still take the package, right?
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They want people to go right, but, but, but in the flip side,
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when Scott was on the chopping block every year and then saved
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every year, the first time he was on the chopping block, he
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got a month for every year he was there for 25 years.
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So think about what that package was by the time he left.
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And he did not ever take one of these packages, but by the time
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he left, they were offering two weeks.
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Yeah. To everyone.
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So he went from 2 years to two weeks.
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Yeah. So the risk is real there, yeah.
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I think that's, I think that's a really important distinction.
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One if if it's open to everybody, then you need to do
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your due diligence and you need to go talk to the people that
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are in control of who's on these lists and you need to
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communicate that. What are your options if you do
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stay? Would you be able to apply for X
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position in which team lead and actually like find out what the
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paths for career development are?
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If you stay, they're not going to commit to anything or promise
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you anything they're going to say, but they'll, they can
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either shut it down completely and say that's very unlikely or
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they can say, well, if you stayed and this department
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opened up and this, then I would suggest you do XYZ and give some
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kind of an open plan there for you.
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That's if it was open to everybody and the whole team is
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getting cut. That's the option.
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I'd go talk to them, find out what your options are if you
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stay. If it was not the entire team
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and there was just this curated list, then I would take the deal
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and I would immediately start working your network and working
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your connections and saving as much money as you can in the
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meantime. Yeah, I would take the last part
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of what you said, Heather, and say save no matter what.
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Like at some point the reason you feel like stressed in this
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decision is you probably might not know what your number is for
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freedom. Like what number do you need to
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have in your savings account to feel the freedom to make all
17:26
these decisions? And it's really hard when you're
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in that young kids breadwinner phase to have the kind of
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financial freedom you need to be able to walk away from some of
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these things. Because 18 months I look at it
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and I'm like, great, I'll take 18 months.
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I get more time with my kids, more time to work out.
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But she is in a line of business that AI is coming for.
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And so that's a tough one. I, I think she's thought this
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through really well. And probably what's best for her
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family. And if I think about health
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benefits is to stay is absolutely to stay.
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But even if you stay, pretend like you're on half a salary
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because that kind of will mitigate your risk.
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So do not live business as usual, it would be my advice.
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Yeah. And then when you're there like
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find ways to become indispensable, get get a hold of
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what is the new direction, what is the mission?
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How are you adding to that? How can you be creative to
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launch a new project and say, hey, I think this is going to
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really supplement what we're doing to make yourself really
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important in the next stage of the company and helping them.
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Yeah, these, these new heights, even using AI, don't shy away
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from it. Don't be afraid.
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Dive into it, understand it, understand how it can be
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leveraged. Understand what deficiencies in
18:38
your apartment department can be gained in using AI and be
18:42
creative. Be on their team as they are
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slimming down to help come up with ideas to be relevant and
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show them that you get it and you're part of the new vision.
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I love that last part. Yeah, we should.
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We should close on that, be part of the new vision.
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Be. Part of the new vision.
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Good luck, sister. Good luck.
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And go check out our episodes with Bailey Hancock and Sam
19:07
Yarborough on how to work your network make real, lasting
19:12
connections with people. And Michelle lando on resume
19:14
writing and. Brand and Michelle Lando.
19:17
Michelle Yeah. Oh, we have some good alumni.
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OK, yeah, we've got another sticky situation to get into,
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and this one is about secrets. Secret secrets hurt someone.
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Oh wait, what's the 1st? Secrets.
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Secret secrets are no fun. Secret secrets hurt someone.
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I've never heard that various. What is that?
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Is that like a nursery school rhyme or what your mom told you
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to like do secrets? I think it was Sesame Street.
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I don't know. It's always what like the creepy
19:45
doll like says to you in the horror movie like Secret.
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Secrets hurt someone. Why are people watching Stranger
19:51
Things? I saw.
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Excuse me, I saw. ATV Show. 10 decades seconds.
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OK. We have no time for that.
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No, no, what I'm saying is Emeris is at my 6 year old is at
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school and. A classmate of his says I watch
20:05
Stranger. No, I watched it.
20:07
I, I, I, we have a rule like Nick can watch it when I'm not
20:11
around. I can't even handle the sounds
20:12
of it. It's so scary.
20:13
It's so dark. It's so.
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And then I walked down and it was like blood like splattered
20:19
on some like 6 year old's face. I'm like what is this show and
20:23
why is everyone obsessed? It just feels just up as
20:27
characters for Halloween. That's cool.
20:30
You know, that's fun. I don't get it, you guys.
20:32
But here's the thing. So the first two seasons were
20:35
like, they're kids in the 80s, this is fun.
20:38
They're figuring stuff out. Now they're like, I don't know
20:41
if they're adults, but they're like, they're not kids anymore.
20:44
So they got to like amp it up. A little bit but hold on and
20:47
wait for season 3. If you watch no other season,
20:50
just watch season 3 because it takes place in the mall and
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every every childhood memory you ever had about being in the mall
20:59
will come flooding back. It is hands down the most
21:02
nostalgic, best piece of television for a Gen.
21:04
Xer. I can't, but I can't I mean God,
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but I have to sit through all of like the hell and fire and
21:11
brimstone and blood and and nasty just to get nostalgic.
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Like I can just go watch fucking.
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What was the show with the Zach and the they were in school
21:24
Saved by the bell. I.
21:25
Could just go. Nothing nostalgic about Saved by
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the Bell. Those guys were blah.
21:30
It's like having to sit through all the raping in Game of
21:32
Thrones just to get to like where good wins out over evil.
21:35
I agree. That was a little rough, yeah.
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But yeah, yeah. When people are like, I love
21:40
Game of Thrones, I'm a little, I'm a little bit like, well, why
21:43
do you love that? OK, anyway, speak me secrets.
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Let's get into sticky situation #2 OK, here we go.
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This one comes in from a listener, dear.
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Not all business. Oh, I'm included in this one.
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This one's nice You. Too, buddy.
21:58
I just moved across the country two months ago to start my own
22:01
business. Nice.
22:03
I even just got a notice of allowance on my patent.
22:08
But I'm smart. But I'm not ready to launch yet,
22:12
so in the meantime, I took a corporate job to pay the rent.
22:17
Here's the problem. My employee agreement is
22:21
aggressive. The company claims rights to any
22:24
work done on the clock, including patents.
22:27
So I've been really careful. No emails, no texts about my
22:31
start up unless I'm clocked out. I'm not doing anything wrong, I
22:35
just don't want to give anyone a reason to come looking.
22:39
But now. But now my manager has assigned
22:43
a team building exercise. We all have to make and present
22:46
a dream board at our next meeting.
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I'm sorry, my watch. OK, let's pause there.
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Is this like acceptable? Is this a thing that happens?
22:56
For a year, no. Corporation is having you do a
23:03
dream board. That's OK, that's easy.
23:05
Keep going. OK, next schedule.
23:07
Friday, we're all bringing our dream boards.
23:10
You already have one it looks like behind you.
23:12
Yeah, a good point. OK, so dream board, all right.
23:17
We all have to make and present a dream board at our next
23:19
meeting. I'm planning to keep mine vague.
23:22
Peace of Mind, freedom, nothing that points anywhere specific.
23:28
My real question is the job is getting more personal than I
23:31
expected and I'm starting to wonder should I be telling my Co
23:35
workers about my business at all?
23:38
And how do you keep 2 worlds from colliding when you're
23:41
living in both of them at the same time?
23:45
Thanks so much, so many thoughts on this one.
23:49
I do think Heather's little lawyer glasses are going to come
23:52
out here because I know whenever I had to sign employee
23:56
agreements, I had to like disclose my, my IP that I had
24:03
that I want to own. So I'm wondering.
24:04
Yeah, this person an IP agreement that.
24:06
That's what it is. I don't know if you always have
24:08
to do that, if that's just like a special executive, you see it
24:11
a lot or especially 1099 we had. Everyone signing at cloud coach,
24:14
yeah. You did.
24:15
Especially in tech where there's any development going on, yeah.
24:18
So I'm kind of making an assumption that this person did
24:21
not sign one of those because otherwise I think they would
24:25
feel a little more free maybe to talk about it.
24:28
For me, this sounds like a moonlighting situation, not like
24:32
the TV show, but like your moonlighting, right?
24:34
Yeah, I know. It was so good.
24:37
Nothing like Stranger Things, but go ahead.
24:40
See the difference though? OK, yeah, I do see the
24:43
difference. Misogyny and OK right.
24:50
I so just personally, I started Taskray as a moonlighting
24:56
business. And so I had to keep those walls
24:59
and those boundaries. And not going to lie, like there
25:03
was so much tension there because my boss was actually one
25:06
of my best friends. So I not only had to keep those
25:12
boundaries. So I wasn't, you know, crossing
25:14
the line. And it sounds like you're super
25:16
meticulous at doing that. But I had to be cagey with my
25:19
one of my best friends and that was really tough and it caused
25:24
some tension. And good news is we're still
25:27
very close today. But I would say there was a
25:29
period of about a year to two years that we had to like let
25:33
things cool off as I was like going down on one and moving up,
25:38
like ratcheting up my time on the other.
25:40
So I think those tensions exist. I also think the other thing I
25:45
heard when they were doing these dream boards, it's getting more
25:48
personable because it sounds like you're a personable person.
25:52
Like it's only getting more personal because people are
25:54
excited to get to know you, I think.
25:56
And you've been there for two months and now you're at three
25:58
months. So that's really good.
25:59
It means you're a cool dude or cool woman or whoever.
26:03
You're cool, but but I would caution you right now to get
26:11
anything more than vague because what can be?
26:14
It's so new in your relationship with your Co workers.
26:18
Anything you say like you just don't know them well enough to
26:22
confide and like, you know, happy hours.
26:25
People get loose lips. You're doing those dream vision
26:27
boards and you have a drink and they're like, hey, Sully is
26:31
starting a company. You got a patent like you just
26:34
don't know these people well enough yet.
26:35
You just don't. So your dream board needs to be
26:38
about your house, other vacation you want to take, but let's not
26:42
make it about your patents. Yep, I agree.
26:45
I think the whole general, it's a hard line, the whole business
26:50
personal as a leader, you want your employees to know that you
26:54
care about them and their personal lives.
26:55
And so that do you want to ask them how's it going?
26:58
You know, how can we support you in your personal endeavors or so
27:02
there's a bit of that, but you also have to just know like
27:05
what's enough? I think, I think a formal dream
27:07
board session where everyone has a task to go away and then come
27:11
and present it is way crossing a line.
27:14
I think if you want to have a vision for your role at the
27:16
company and how you see that playing and how does that well
27:19
up to the over, I mean that's fantastic.
27:21
But to like put it as like for your whole life, I think there's
27:24
probably a very well-intentioned team builder manager that has
27:29
great intentions but really isn't thinking through that.
27:32
Not everybody may feel the same way he or she does about that
27:35
stuff because that person might be an open book and think that
27:37
everybody else is too. So agreed for this person, I
27:40
think just guard, say what you're comfortable.
27:42
You don't want to be an asshole and refuse to, you know,
27:47
cooperate with the dream board process.
27:50
But I agree with Blakely, Like there's a lot of things about
27:52
your life. It could be, you know,
27:55
connecting more with family, or it could be getting out in
27:58
nature more, or you could keep things like very vague like
28:01
that. But with your business, you hold
28:02
that. I don't care if you have a
28:03
patent or not, You'd hold that as tight as you possibly can
28:07
until you're ready to go to market.
28:08
And also, that's your dream or you wouldn't have gone through
28:12
the trouble of the painstaking process of getting a patent and
28:15
the money behind it. So that's your real dream.
28:18
It's your private dream and that's OK Keep it that way.
28:21
Love your conclusions and you, you little wink.
28:26
It's your real dream. I can't wonder what it is.
28:29
Though also write it and feel free to tell us all about it.
28:35
We're not your employer. I also want to see a copy of the
28:38
Dream board in your follow up listener letter.
28:41
I do too. OK, real quick, what's on your
28:43
dream boards? What's on your dream boards?
28:46
Just like one thing you would put on your dream board.
28:48
My book. Your book.
28:50
Yeah, I have to have that happen.
28:53
I'm trying really hard. Am I in your book?
28:57
Not yet, but maybe. Like like, let me rephrase that.
29:00
How big is the section that I'm in?
29:03
How big is it? You're going to have to buy a
29:05
copy just like everybody else. I plan on it.
29:10
Assuming it ever makes its way to print, but yeah, what about
29:13
you? It's on your dream board.
29:15
It's going to happen. Yeah, 10,000 listeners by
29:19
August. Oh hell yeah, I'll put can I?
29:22
Can I copy that and put that on my dream board too?
29:25
Find my dream board. All right, awesome.
29:27
Love it and if anyone could also call in and let us know how to
29:30
do that, that would be great that.
29:31
Would be great. We operators are standing high.
29:35
I want to have a telephone where it's like hello hello hello
29:40
answering the phones. All right, are we ready for
29:42
sticky situation #3 this one? No, because you didn't say
29:46
what's on your dream board. Oh, good point.
29:49
Good catch. What is on my dream board?
29:53
You know, when you ask a question, it's probably good to
29:55
think about what your answer would be.
29:57
But. I didn't think about it.
29:59
I my My dream last year was to make a piece of art that was
30:06
featured in a gallery and I. Did.
30:08
And I did that. You did.
30:10
You did. Yeah.
30:12
And so I should come up with something for my dream board
30:15
that's going to be for this year.
30:16
And I, I have nothing. I haven't thought of anything
30:19
yet. So I'll have to think about
30:20
that. Maybe by the end of the episode,
30:22
OK, I'll I'll think of something.
30:24
All right, we're we will circle back to you on that.
30:28
We don't say that on this show. We don't circle back, but I
30:32
think it's going to have a lot of synergy with what my name is.
30:39
OK. All right, all right.
30:42
This last sticky situation before we get into our rapid
30:45
fire section. Blakely, I can see you tensing
30:48
up already. Can you?
30:50
I am. It's so true.
30:51
I hate the rapid fires but OK. Heather, we, we kind of need you
30:55
on this last one, I think because it seems like we're kind
30:57
of getting into like legal territory here.
30:59
So I'm going to jump right in and just jump in as soon as
31:03
you're like, hey, don't do that or please do.
31:05
That like stop saying that, yeah.
31:07
OK, here we go. OK, this comes in to us.
31:11
Hi, Heather Blakely and Clay. All right, good.
31:18
Sign. Two weeks into a new job in my
31:22
early 20's, the CEO of the company looked at me and told me
31:27
my religion, Islam, was terrible and that I shouldn't be part of
31:32
it because. Yeah, how did they know it
31:36
doesn't matter? Maybe she was he was wearing a
31:38
hijab or something. OK, go ahead.
31:41
And that I shouldn't be part of it because they're all terrible
31:45
people. What?
31:47
Yeah. Oh my gosh.
31:50
You know, like surprise, not surprise.
31:52
People are assholes. I can't, OK.
31:54
Is that all right? Keep.
31:55
Keep going this. Is tough, so listener writes.
31:59
I was completely shook. I didn't know what to say, I
32:04
didn't know what to do, and honestly, I didn't even fully
32:08
understand what my options were at the time.
32:11
Looking back, I wish I had sued. My question is, what do you do
32:17
when something that wrong comes from the very top?
32:22
And what would you tell your younger self to do in that
32:25
moment? I mean, we've talked about the
32:30
younger self a lot. A lot.
32:32
And the burn book, The burn book, like my first piece of
32:40
advice for younger selves is always document date, time,
32:46
exact words. Was there anyone else in the
32:48
room who might have heard it? Like you can do that privately,
32:51
right? You can take time and document
32:54
something because I know, like in your 20s, I mean, she was
32:59
shook. Like she probably froze.
33:02
I can totally see freezing. But you can take a minute and go
33:07
and document and then you can make a choice.
33:11
You can take that documentation to HR.
33:14
You can take that documentation and get some legal advice.
33:18
I wonder if there's probably some, like maybe even in your
33:21
20s, like free legal advice. I wonder, Heather, if you know
33:24
of any free legal advice options out there.
33:29
I would say though, when you're 20, don't feel pressure to have
33:35
had like the perfect response to that asshole.
33:38
It's OK that you did not have a perfect response to that
33:41
asshole. And don't feel bad that you
33:46
didn't say anything like, I mean, but your new self, old
33:52
self, mature self, wiser self, you're ready, right?
33:55
You're ready and yeah, you're going to sue that ass.
33:58
And by the way, Heather, I'll let you take over because I want
34:00
to. What is the statue of
34:01
limitations on that? Three years.
34:05
So I think it's, well, I can't. I can't.
34:09
Well, here I'm going to. Put this the the glasses on.
34:11
Please do. That way I'm protected.
34:14
By the fact that these aren't official, this is legal, but not
34:18
officially legal. OK, OK, Lawyer Heather.
34:24
Yes. So here's the problem with
34:27
racist comments. The problem with racist comments
34:32
in the workplace are that in and of themselves it's very hard to
34:39
prove that a singular comment is action worthy in a court.
34:45
It would have to be like so, so, so severe for a single comment.
34:51
So in that case, that someone's opinion, it is disgusting and
34:58
it's wrong and it's rude and it's unkind.
35:03
Whether it's discriminatory depends on whether or not there
35:06
was adverse employment actions. So something that was happening
35:11
against you or complaints that weren't founded or you got a
35:14
different shift than you preferred.
35:16
I don't know what I mean. At 20, I'm not sure you know,
35:18
whatever that would have looked like as an adverse employment
35:21
action in a, in a entry level role, but those actions would
35:26
have had to follow. And then you would have to trace
35:29
that back to this person's racism.
35:33
And so that documentation becomes so important.
35:37
So you'd have to document exactly what was said.
35:39
But then in that moment, there's really not a ton you can do
35:41
other than alert HR. So it's documented in your file.
35:45
But as a newly hired employee, I can understand why that would be
35:48
a very scary thing to do. So bigger picture than that is
35:53
it, that person just showed you who they are.
35:56
So believe them, don't try to change them, believe them and
36:00
you start looking for another job and you can complain and
36:03
night they can deal with that on your way out.
36:06
But I would not be sticking around for ACEO who was going to
36:09
make comments against my religion that way directly to my
36:13
face. It just shows an absolute
36:15
ineptitude for leadership. And the law, oh, in the three
36:20
years is that's Michigan law. To be clear, there's all
36:23
different ones. You are a very wise woman,
36:25
Heather. Oh, I don't know about that.
36:27
But beyond that, it's just like, what is wrong with people?
36:32
Like I, I think the one good thing, I think that could have
36:35
come out of that situation where at that young age would be to be
36:40
able to say never again in my presence, right?
36:44
So they take that situation with them and they go to another
36:48
company and they find themselves in a position to say, Hey, it's
36:51
Ramadan. Hey guys.
36:53
And educating the workforce about it and saying, Hey, let's
36:56
celebrate this. Hey, we've just invited someone.
36:59
Our, our Salesforce developer at the law firm is from India and
37:04
it's Holly Holy Holy Week and they do colors and they have a
37:08
big festival and we have learned all about it because we took
37:11
interest and who's on our team and what do they celebrate and
37:15
what that background is. And so I guarantee you, if you
37:18
can have that bad experience and you turn it around and then you
37:23
make sure that every workforce you ever go into has the actual
37:26
opposite, that's where you can kind of turn it around for good.
37:28
So I don't think you did anything wrong.
37:30
I don't think you could go back and do anything differently, but
37:33
I think you can take that into your future and any employment
37:38
workforce you're in to change it for good.
37:40
That's what we have to do. Yeah.
37:43
And by the way, I love that you're a lawyer and you don't
37:47
succumb necessarily to sue culture, because here I am like,
37:50
go to HR, go get free legal advice.
37:53
But sometimes that's not the answer.
37:57
Well, it's just, it's a long process, but yeah, you always
38:00
have to care and ugly to go through, by the way.
38:04
And then it follows you because it's a small world, no matter
38:08
how big it is. And if things follow, these are
38:11
public records. And so you start to sue.
38:13
It's like, OK, well, you can do a search.
38:15
And then we always do background checks right when we're hiring
38:18
people. And then now we're doing social
38:19
media checks and we're doing Google and it comes up and you
38:22
can see, OK, this person so and so sued ex company and this, you
38:26
know, it's not right, but you can't Unsee it.
38:29
Once you see them, then it's like, oh, are they litigious?
38:32
Yeah, that's be very careful when you make those decisions.
38:35
Yeah, yeah. Heather, you're 3 for three
38:37
today. No. 3 for three.
38:40
Really, this is teamwork. This is.
38:42
Oh, I know it's not. This part's not a competition.
38:44
Truly the dream work. But I've been really impressed
38:48
with you today. Well, thank you.
38:51
Speaking of dreams, did you come up with your dream board yet,
38:53
Clay? I did, I actually did.
38:55
But before that, shout out to our Muslim friends, Ramadan
38:58
Mubarak, I hope you have a peaceful Ramadan shout out.
39:02
It's it's the holy month of Ramadan and it's worth
39:06
celebrating. So, but I did think of my dream
39:10
and I, I mean, I was listening, but I, you know, I tried to
39:13
think of. Not sure if you were, but it was
39:15
such limitations. I tuned out just a little bit,
39:17
so I did. Think of something test,
39:20
Heather. Good test.
39:22
I tuned out a little bit. My dream for this year is to
39:25
write a song. I would like to make it in
39:27
music. OK, if I put you in my book,
39:30
will you put me in my in your song?
39:33
Oh my gosh. OK, it's casual.
39:40
I'm going to go ahead and say yes.
39:43
I'm going to go ahead and say yes.
39:45
Let's do it. All right, let's do it.
39:46
I'll sneak you in there. OK, you know what time it is.
39:50
It's time for rapid fire. Yay.
39:56
Blakely's favorite part of the show?
39:58
This week, we're doing something just a little different.
40:03
We're doing have you ever yes or no edition is.
40:09
This obviously. Have you ever?
40:10
Do you have to do that or? Never have I ever.
40:13
Never have I ever. Think you're thinking of that.
40:15
Yeah, maybe I never liked never have I ever because.
40:18
It's like a double negative, yes, I've never done it or I
40:21
haven't done it. Yeah, exactly.
40:23
And then I ended up people. I'm always afraid that I'm going
40:26
to answer too honestly or like, yeah, totally.
40:29
OK, So anyway, forget all that. I want you to answer completely
40:34
honestly. No lying, no secrets, no patents
40:37
in the basement after work. Bring your full self to this
40:41
section. There's no buzzing.
40:44
There's no drinking. The only way we're going to do
40:46
this is we're going to basically ask, is Blakely being honest or
40:50
not? OK, here we go.
40:52
I can't lie. All right, and.
40:54
Can I just like for clarity, when I had to go pick up the
40:58
dogs from the member of the dog place, they I was so worried
41:03
that they would ask me if I had crates at home because I wasn't
41:06
planning to create that I went and borrowed someone's crates
41:10
and just put them in my home. So you could say technically
41:13
yes. Yes, because I cannot lie.
41:16
But I didn't use the crates, so there, now you know.
41:19
OK. So everything is the truth.
41:22
The only time I lie is when I can't remember which is.
41:25
It's not really a lie. The time.
41:27
Yeah. I heard somebody say the other
41:30
day, I don't lie. I just tell truths that change.
41:34
That's totally true for me. OK, here we go.
41:38
Have you ever and remember yes or no?
41:41
OK. Oh.
41:43
Have you ever rage quit a job? No.
41:47
No, I wanted to. Me too.
41:51
But no, we all do, right? Yep, I dream about.
41:54
Wanted to rage quit a job. But I dream and like, fantasize
41:58
about like how I would do it but I never did it.
42:00
All the time. Lots of fantasy.
42:02
What would it get me? Like what would rage quitting
42:04
get you? Like it's like.
42:06
Surge of unbelievable adrenaline.
42:09
Just amazing sex. Yeah, but it's so temporary,
42:13
right? So no, we're both too.
42:16
Pragmatic, You and me, we're not the right ones.
42:19
You ever seen somebody rage quit though?
42:21
Yeah, yeah, yes, awesome for. Sure, and we had a guest that
42:25
rage quit and she's pretty Dang. Linda Herb, I think she's
42:29
actually done it a couple times. Yeah, so, like, kudos to her.
42:32
She felt the feeling, but I couldn't do it.
42:35
Yeah. Like I would just be like, you
42:37
know what? I quit.
42:39
I'm out. I'm done.
42:41
Fuck you. Fuck you.
42:43
Fuck you. No, I'm just kidding.
42:44
Don't, don't, don't put in that in there.
42:46
That's not nice. Even this is a fantasy.
42:50
It's not real. Oh.
42:51
OK, it's, I feel like it's happening.
42:52
Yeah. I'm not supposed to be swearing
42:55
on the show. You can cut that part out, but I
42:57
do. Want to do it someday.
42:58
This is I literally have to. We have to hit the explicit
43:01
button all the time. So like, just how's the grass?
43:04
Anything goes. Yeah, leave it on out, take it
43:06
out. Nope, Leave it on.
43:06
Take it out. Well, we all still have yet to
43:10
rage quit a job. OK, next rapid fire.
43:14
Have you ever cried in a work bathroom?
43:17
Yes or no? Yes.
43:18
Yes, like it's the grief counseling center.
43:23
Like that is what a bathroom is. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
43:27
In a bath, like not a private one, like there's other stalls
43:30
and stuff like there's it's like shared.
43:33
But for a woman, typically it is the safe space for crying.
43:38
So you go in there, there's like 6 sinks and you just can't hold
43:42
it together and you cry and then at least some other woman comes
43:45
in and sometimes it's your work bestie, but sometimes it's like
43:47
not your work bestie. But then they console you and
43:50
like dear dear you're going to be OK.
43:51
And then they become your work bestie.
43:53
So it's like. A.
43:55
Really positive female shared space in my opinion.
43:59
It's OK to cry men too. I did it.
44:02
It was the same impact. I did it when we had to do a
44:05
pretty massive layoff and I couldn't hold it together
44:08
anymore. And because you have to be so
44:09
strong for them because it can't be about you.
44:13
And then it was a long day and then I just, I just ran out and
44:16
I just bawled my eyes out. Then I put water in my face and
44:20
went back in because it's got to be strong in there.
44:22
But like, I just tore my up inside.
44:25
I was working for a year while my dad had a cancer diagnosis
44:29
and I cried like all the time. But again, this was my company.
44:35
I didn't want them to see me like fragile all the time.
44:38
But I mean, I probably cried every day in there.
44:40
So I at least you're going to the bathroom, right?
44:45
And you're not totally like becoming this crying spout.
44:49
Like if you're crying at your desk every day, like, come on.
44:54
People. Are going to get.
44:55
A little worried, yeah. Doesn't instill confidence, does
44:59
it? No.
45:00
Why do I feel like other advanced cultures on our planet
45:05
have like a space for this? That's not like also the place
45:08
where you go to the bathroom, there's like a crying room or
45:11
like a like a we. Had a.
45:12
Wellness Room. We had a Wellness room and
45:16
everybody made fun of it. I put a massage chair in there.
45:19
I put like dimly lit, like lights and like a really
45:22
comfortable couch and a chair. And it was, it was just supposed
45:25
to be this place where you could go decompress for a little while
45:29
and then inevitably once in a while people would use it for
45:32
that purpose. But otherwise it just became a
45:34
call meeting room and people would be like.
45:36
That's what every room turns into.
45:38
It could be in like the breastfeeding room and you're
45:41
like taking calls, Mr. Boss. We should have a future episode
45:46
where we talk about like, should we have like a special space for
45:50
nursing moms or should it be? You have to legal.
45:53
You have to you have. To Yeah, that's not a.
45:56
Question. It has to be.
45:58
Replaced. It has to have a private space
46:00
that's new. Oh, it's new.
46:02
OK, because I like I was. I remember watching the.
46:04
Last 20 years, right? OK, 15 years.
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Yeah, I mean. I remember watching TV shows and
46:10
it would be like any workplace sitcom would have that kind of
46:14
episode where it became like awkward or something happened
46:18
and I was like, you know, so apparently, yes, the.
46:21
Law has caught up. But it's super shitty because
46:25
like you don't have a room in a small business sometimes to do
46:29
that. So like an art company we had to
46:31
take over like like this, like server, boiler room and then
46:34
like. Put a chair in there.
46:36
I feel so bad for these ladies, they're like stuck in this like
46:39
server room. Just the the only positive that
46:44
is saying, well, this is actually where some of the most
46:46
expensive stuff that we have is you're you're in the most prized
46:52
room. That's terrible.
46:53
You're throwing people in a closet.
46:54
I I feel bad about that. OK, two more and these ones are
47:01
you might require a little self reflection, so OK.
47:05
Got. It first one rapid fire.
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Have you ever taken credit for someone else's work?
47:14
Probably. No, I would say I've never
47:18
necessarily done it intentionally, but sometimes,
47:21
like when you're reporting on a big project, you know, you might
47:26
say you might take credit even though it was your team.
47:29
You should say it's your team, but it just depends like the
47:31
conversation and the flow of it like.
47:34
I don't know. I haven't take credit for
47:36
someone else's work, but I have taken credit for someone else's
47:40
idea. What?
47:42
Yeah, that seems worse. It probably is worse.
47:45
What do you mean? I mean, back off.
47:49
I, I mean, I mean that I can't remember a time when I actually
47:56
someone did the work and I said, Hey, here's my work, here's
47:58
this. And it's great.
47:59
And I did it. But I've there definitely been
48:02
in like brainstorming sessions where maybe I was at lunch with
48:05
someone or it came up and we were having conversation and
48:07
they said, Hey, what if we did it this way?
48:09
And then the next day I'm in the meeting and I'm like, Hey, what
48:11
if we did it this way? And so it's like I probably
48:16
should have said, you know, Ashley had a great idea about
48:21
this and I obviously try to do better, but I know there's times
48:24
where I've just kind of put it out there.
48:26
Then that really takes traction. And I didn't go back and say,
48:29
hey, by the way, I want to make sure that Ashley gets the credit
48:31
for that. And then I could have done a
48:34
better job at that at certain points in my career.
48:36
I think certain parts of your career is the key there.
48:38
I feel like in the early part of the career, you were just so
48:41
desperate for credit. And again, I don't think it was
48:44
ever intentional or just maybe how the conversation flowed.
48:48
But in the later part of your career, I'm so desperate for
48:51
everyone else to get the credit, you know, and so.
48:54
No, this isn't ACEO. No, no, I'm thinking law firm
48:57
days. I'm thinking whatever.
48:58
Like I just. Yeah, I know, but I'm just
48:59
saying it changes. It evolves, right?
49:02
Yeah, because you you shift from wanting to stand out to wanting
49:09
to find out who are the standouts.
49:12
And here we put it. How do we like, that's a total
49:14
shift there. Yeah, but it's a shitty thing to
49:17
do. And I tell you what, as I look
49:20
at people to see who are the standouts, the standouts are the
49:23
people who give other people credit for their ideas.
49:25
I know, isn't that? And then you can see the
49:27
integrity and be like, OK, great, thanks for raising it and
49:30
also thanks for giving credit where credit is due.
49:32
That actually makes you stand out.
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More. Yeah, I was probably an asshole.
49:35
Might really occur. I get it.
49:37
Yeah, I might be an asshole now, but I try not to be.
49:39
You're not. Thank you.
49:41
Good question, Clay. Thanks.
49:43
Last question before we go and this one I, I already know the
49:47
answer, but I just want to hear we, we just, we got to talk
49:50
about it. OK, Rapid fire.
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Have you ever stalked a Co worker's social media?
49:59
Yes. Of.
50:00
Course, I'm really good at it actually.
50:04
What you what? I'm good at it because you know
50:06
how they can like see who's watching your video?
50:10
Like I'm really good at like having a dummy one to like go
50:13
and stalk people. I'm a stalker.
50:15
You have a fake Instagram. So finsta, I don't know the hip
50:21
words, but insta, I'm not saying I have a fake e-mail.
50:29
And so I've used that fake e-mail for all.
50:32
Sorts of to log into cloud Coach feature release notes.
50:36
Yes, that's as an example. I have done that.
50:40
I've done that, yeah. I did it.
50:41
I just at least I used my own name I think.
50:44
Probably I just learned my middle name and I'm like they
50:47
can trace this fast. It was my personal e-mail
50:49
though. I didn't use like the fucking
50:50
company e-mail. Yeah.
50:53
But I do, I do like. I think it's kind of fun, like
50:59
to see what people are up to. Did you do it in a creepy kind
51:01
of like wanna like date the guy kind of way or just in like a?
51:06
Hand done that fun too. Yeah, but that was kind of like
51:08
pre social media. So like you had to stalk in
51:11
other ways. At least you're honest.
51:17
I love that you don't lie. Hey, we're benefiting from this.
51:21
They make snap mat. So like, like, these kids are
51:25
already stalking their future boyfriends and future
51:27
girlfriends. I was just a little bit more
51:29
stealth about it and like, happened to show up at the
51:32
coffee shop, right? Very different than now.
51:35
They're like on a snap mat and they're like, oh, let's drive by
51:37
10 times, you know, whatever. So yeah, I stacked people, but
51:42
not like the definition of legal stalking.
51:44
Yeah. It's just.
51:47
I, it was more of like a group thing where yes, somebody would
51:51
like say, hey, have you seen so and so's Instagram?
51:55
And they like have this whole other life where they're posting
51:58
these weird videos and dissecting things and singing
52:02
weird little songs and you're just like, what?
52:04
And so we're all crowded around a phone going What is happening
52:07
right now? Oh, I found out we had.
52:11
We had a contractor that was we struggled with and then we came
52:16
out to find out their Instagram was a whole polygamy feed and I
52:20
was like talking about yes. And they were on the TV show.
52:25
I guess there was like a TV show about like me or something, like
52:29
it's like a sister wife show and they were on it and I'm like, Oh
52:33
my gosh, this deal has already gotten so strange.
52:36
And that's a gold mine. I love that.
52:39
But that's what I'm telling you. I'm really good at finding those
52:42
pieces of information out, like it's really fun for.
52:45
Me. It's public information.
52:47
It is. You're putting out there.
52:49
Yeah, yeah. If you find somebody's like, if
52:51
you discover what someone's username is like on Reddit or
52:57
something, and then you go through all their old posts and
52:59
see what they're into it, you get that feeling like you're
53:02
like a little detective, like you're doing reconnaissance type
53:06
stuff. Private Eye.
53:07
Well, I did one that was like, well, no wonder your work has
53:10
been so shitty. Like, this is what you're doing
53:12
all day. You know, you can see, like,
53:14
it's like broad daylight. They're still, like, recording
53:17
this in the middle of the day. I'm like, this was a Tuesday.
53:19
Like you should have been working.
53:21
It does all make sense now. That's so good.
53:23
It's kind of like when Blakely posts from the gym in the middle
53:27
of the day and we're like. Where her?
53:29
Where is she? Why isn't she fine?
53:31
Why isn't she doing herself? If you're talking about the one
53:33
post I've done on Instagram, it was like the most ugliest
53:36
picture of me at the gym. But I did that for you, Heather.
53:39
Thank. You I appreciate that I can't be
53:40
the only one ugly out. There looked like I was 90.
53:43
I was like saggy jowls and I was like dying China.
53:46
Isn't it free? Isn't it free?
53:48
No, it cares about. What we are, we're too 50 year
53:51
old. No one gives a shit if.
53:53
I know it's fine, that's why I posted it.
53:56
Whatever, it's like my only post in a year for you.
53:59
Thank you. I'll take it.
54:01
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54:04
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54:09
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54:18
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54:20
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54:21
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54:32
Thanks for listening. If you also have a response to
54:36
one of the rapid fires and you're like Blakely Heather,
54:38
you're totally wrong. I'm off that.
54:40
Oh, that's could not be normal. Put something in the comments, I
54:44
want to read it. Maybe I'll read some more on an
54:47
upcoming episode. Thanks for tuning in.
54:50
We'll catch you on the next episode next week.
54:52
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54:56
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