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Why Water Is Making Your Afro Hair DRIER And What a Cosmetic Scientist Wants You to Know | Coach Klerissa - Ep 20 · Sense Only

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SPEAKER_02: I know just the fact that I said we're about to talk about hair, the walls were defense.
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SPEAKER_02: What they're about to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: People with Afro and curly hair on better learning and embracing their own hair for their own journey.
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SPEAKER_00: I think there is a need for more serious and accurate information.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That I think people are starving off now at the moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Especially when they pair up really good healthy eating with exercise.
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SPEAKER_00: It can be a game changer to the actual quality of hair that is produced as an outcome.
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SPEAKER_02: Everything that everyone else can do with their hair, we can do.
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SPEAKER_02: And more.
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SPEAKER_02: It's amazing.
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SPEAKER_02: And we need to remember that.
0:50
SPEAKER_02: Greetings and salutations.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Alicia Mullings, and this is the Sense Only Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: This podcast is for those who are tired of the noise, distraction, and disconnection in the world.
1:01
SPEAKER_02: It's for those who know that we need to be the change that we want to see in the world.
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SPEAKER_02: Today, my guest, I'm so excited about this guest.
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SPEAKER_02: She is a coach and she is helping us to have more healthy hair.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_02: I know certain people's walls probably just went up.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, they're talking about hair.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's a safe space.
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SPEAKER_02: We're talking about hair and how we can do better with our hair and take power, take our power back, and just care for ourselves in the most beautiful way.
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SPEAKER_02: So I am over the moon.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy to introduce to you Coach Clarissa.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy to be here, you don't understand.
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SPEAKER_00: I really am.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for inviting me.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course, welcome.
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SPEAKER_00: Please tell us about you and what you do.
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SPEAKER_00: So my name is Clarissa MacDonald.
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SPEAKER_00: I am the founder of Curly by Nature, a hair care brand.
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SPEAKER_00: I formulate um hair care products from scratch.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I'm a cosmetic scientist, um, a professional formulator, but I'm also a stylist and have been doing hair since I can remember.
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SPEAKER_00: So for at least 25 years now.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
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SPEAKER_00: I used to work in a professional salon where I grew um train from the ground up and got lots of experience in doing natural hair textures.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I now have a studio in Northwest London where I develop my formulations and but more importantly, work with um people with Afro and curly hair on better learning and embracing their own hair for their own journey.
2:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, so what I love to see really is the transformation of people's relationship with their own hair.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: So where I work best is where somebody who hasn't necessarily mastered their hair or they have some struggles or concerns that they can't, you know, they get stuck and they can't really get past it.
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SPEAKER_00: I really help them to um understand where those problems are coming from using the proper framework and structured learning so that they will forever understand and be confident in caring for their hair.
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SPEAKER_00: Please tell us about your framework.
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SPEAKER_00: That's just caught me at all.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a framework.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, there is a framework.
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SPEAKER_00: It's called the Healthy Hair Care Code.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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SPEAKER_00: And there's seven principles.
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SPEAKER_00: Um I can go deep into each one, but over an overview, it starts with your personal profile.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the first P, which is the most important P.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Because whilst I say that healthy hair care is universal, it's actually very personal.
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SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it starts with the personal profile.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, the next um P is professional guidance.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's sometimes um if you understand your personal profile, you don't always need professional guidance, but it's nice to have.
4:06
SPEAKER_00: It's almost like nice to have a coach or a you know a doctor.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh second opinion, especially when you can't see you know um the grey aerials or your blind spots.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, like you really can't see in the back of your head, can you?
4:18
SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So um professional guidance, and then also they have um expertise where they're specifically trained in certain areas that they can assist you with.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, the next P is principles.
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SPEAKER_00: Principles that I say is definitely universal.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, it's under it's good to understand the different um what should like like I suppose mechanisms of caring for your hair in day-to-day life and why it's it's important to know why you should be doing what you should be doing.
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SPEAKER_00: And once you've got those principles in place, it's easier to practice the rest of the different peas.
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SPEAKER_00: So after that principle part is covered, purge is next.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, purge, because sometimes we're doing things that we think we're supposed to be doing that actually doesn't affect our hair at all, and I we're wasting our time, we're wasting our money, or we're creating even more problems and we need to.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's about purging the stuff that you don't need to have because really hair care is simple.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And so after that, we go deeper into practices.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the practice you really need to be doing?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Products, what's the products you really need to be using for your um specific um profile?
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SPEAKER_00: And then we create a prescription based on all of those things.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice, those are all the seven Ps.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I love that.
5:39
SPEAKER_02: So when you're saying um did you say profile?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's your personalised personal profile, so you're you beautiful.
5:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm intrigued.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you read within that profile?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so within that profile, it does um encompass um a few elements.
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SPEAKER_00: So like one of the elements will certainly be like what your hair is.
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SPEAKER_00: So it'll be is it dense, is it like literally the profile of your hair?
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SPEAKER_00: So in relation to your scalp, in relation to your hair, in relation to your personality.
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SPEAKER_00: So I've developed something called hair archetypes.
6:17
SPEAKER_00: Um because obviously we've all got different personalities, we all wear our hair differently.
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SPEAKER_02: Listen, this is valuable, absolutely, because so many people are losing their hairline.
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SPEAKER_02: It's valuable for things like that.
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SPEAKER_00: It is, no, it definitely is.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: And it's just about um understanding in it's more about connecting your relationship with your hair and how you wear your hair.
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SPEAKER_00: So are you a minimalist?
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SPEAKER_00: That's one of the archetypes, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Basically, like if you just like to wash and go, or you just very simple with your hair, there's the braidist, and there's specific kind of um do's and don'ts for each archetype.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so um that helps you in relation to building like a routine out for you, um, but then also it's about um how you wear your hair.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's within the um profile sort of um structure, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's one of the elements basically, um the archetype, but yeah, it's really about like the density of your hair.
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SPEAKER_00: When I say density, some people have less low density, sometimes like it's a lot higher.
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SPEAKER_00: So that would be in your personal profile.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the question he was asking me about profile.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so valuable because you know, for so many years, I one thing I've always don't say always, for a while I've had a fight with moisture.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and you know, I'm like, that was trying to be stepping out with a dry head.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, to be honest, that is something that a lot of people experience.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: Listen, the struggle's real.
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SPEAKER_02: So without so when we have these conversations, and I have family members or just different people around who, you know, when people just want to throw their toothpens in, and they're like, oh yeah, you just need to make sure you're always spraying it with water and blah blah blah.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, my hair is not the same as yours.
8:09
SPEAKER_02: True.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: My hair will start cussing you out and rebuke it and fight you if it and puff.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, what are you doing?
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SPEAKER_02: This is not what I need right now.
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SPEAKER_02: So me that so it's spraying it, and if I try to spray it on a regular basis, that is the enemy of progress in terms of my personal hair, you know.
8:34
SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, yeah, this is what I'm already seeing.
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SPEAKER_02: That it's so valuable to have a personal profile because it's not general, it's not, and what another person's experience is is not your experience.
8:49
SPEAKER_02: Who can just be just sprout the hair with the water and then move on with life?
8:54
SPEAKER_02: And then there's another set of us who is like we we more need to prioritize oil or whatever else.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, so that's yeah, that's what we think.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it's funny you say that because actually, water is fantastic, like it's amazing for them.
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SPEAKER_00: It really is.
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SPEAKER_02: I can wash obviously I wash it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, and the water's obviously valuable in washing, but after that, yeah, it gets dry.
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SPEAKER_00: And do you know why?
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SPEAKER_00: That makes perfect sense to me.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, like scientifically, what's happening?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if we're just putting water on, like it will absorb the water, but because of the pH of the water, which is right on the in the middle, it's more like neutral.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's allowing the um hair shaft basically to expand.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and allow it to escape quickly.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: So that's what you've been experiencing.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: Right.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: So you've been thinking, oh, water, it's not I need to stop putting it in my hair because it's just making it dry, because that's what you're experiencing, and you're reading the experience correctly.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: I think if you was to maybe try something else, like spraying our mist me, which I'll definitely get you a sample of.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't have any on on tab.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: But the mist me, yeah, um, because of where the pH is set and the ingredients, and the fact that there's lots of oils within the product, moringa oil, cannabis hemptativa oil, it's even got hyaluronic acid, which is um a molecule that absorbs a thousand times its weight in water, so it's super hydrating.
10:36
SPEAKER_00: Nice, you'll have a complete different experience.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I have customers telling on a regular basis, even after the first time that they're using it, how it really transforms the condition of their hair.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: No lie, like seriously.
10:48
SPEAKER_00: It's about to change my life, Chris.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm changing your life.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm not joking.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm actually so serious.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm not playing.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not playing, like it is legit, it's proper, and and it's it's one of my hero products that people are always buying, buying, buying, always having to make, make, make.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's probably what you're experiencing.
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SPEAKER_00: But water is great, it is fabulous.
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SPEAKER_00: With but it's important, yeah.
11:19
SPEAKER_00: It is important for you to couple it with something that will like be good holistically.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
11:27
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
11:28
SPEAKER_02: You're welcome.
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SPEAKER_02: Stressing me out, yeah.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: Ongoing search.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, listen, yeah, and well, you're the jet, it stops here with kind of my late shot.
11:42
SPEAKER_02: Honestly, give thanks.
11:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, honestly.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: I read that, you know, we've got the when we label in the different types of hair, yeah, and I read that you you don't you don't subscribe to that.
11:53
SPEAKER_02: So we're obviously like things like 4C, etc.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: etc.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I understand why people subscribed to it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and I say that I understand is because we didn't have anything beforehand.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was some kind of mechanism for people to start kind of understanding what they need to be using.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: But actually, the truth is that it was a way for people to sell products to specific groups of people, right?
12:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, in a way that's not very helpful because look where we are today, like there's still a lot of issues, like people will think that they're buying for like 4C products, 4C or 4A, but even within that whole spectrum, there's so much diversity.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: Right.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
12:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:41
SPEAKER_00: So how helpful is it really?
12:43
SPEAKER_00: From my understanding, all it is is that your hair is afro, your hair's curly.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I'm saying?
12:49
SPEAKER_00: It's just a pattern.
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SPEAKER_00: Different curl pattern.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And the pattern specifically doesn't really tell you much apart from maybe what styles you can do easily or more difficult, is more difficult.
13:00
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I'm saying?
13:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So if your hair is like more straighter, it's gonna probably be a bit more difficult to get into a lock or to to braid it, it'll be easy to come out if it braids if it's like a 2A.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I'm saying?
13:11
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's like for professionals specifically, that's the only thing that will help them, like in terms of how to style the hair, but not necessarily how to better take care of your hair.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's why I don't necessarily subscribe to it, because um, if someone was to come sit down in my chair and ask me, if they was to ask me a question that will be helpful for their journey, saying whether they're 4C or 4B isn't gonna help, um, I would have to give them something, they would have to ask me a different question for me to specifically actually help them.
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SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
13:45
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
13:46
SPEAKER_02: No, I love that.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: So, in terms of you building a profile, so you you what type of analysis do you do on the great question and the hair?
13:55
SPEAKER_00: So that's what I do.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: I do, and um the first the first is more of a consultation, very depth, in-depth consultation.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it goes into the history um of your hair journey.
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SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it goes into the profile, like you have to send pictures as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So I usually do this in advance of an in-person appointment.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay, um, but I also do online ones as well.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: In fact, I've got a healthy hair care club where people I just literally um support them on their hair journey um virtually.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: So we do an in-depth consultation um and they'll do that virtually um and send videos, send photos and complete my consultation.
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SPEAKER_00: Um the sections I would say would be again like what they deem to say that their hair is and what their experience is, but then I will come in as well and analyze the scalp and also the hair and look at it back with the information they gave me about their history, um, what products they use, basically everything.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: And then with that information, I'm able to give them a personalised plan um for at least three months, but they follow it to a T for at least four weeks, and then we can tweak it from there depending on what the outcome is.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: I love that you're saying that you've got a hair care club because I I feel that a major thing um or challenge that we have is the mind regarding our hair.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I can see that being in a community and you're all in the same space discussing that.
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SPEAKER_02: I can already see the value in it because just even the fact of restarting this episode, I was like, I I know just the fact that I said we're about to talk about hair, the walls were defense, what are they about to talk about?
15:52
SPEAKER_02: And it's and it and I my heart goes out to anybody who actually felt like that for me, just saying we're gonna do it episode on here because it's but I at the same time I'm acknowledging how sensitive of a subject it is, especially us as black, I'm gonna say specifically as black women, and this is why I just want to tread with so much care because we have been through so much.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel myself welling up, and I see the sisters going through so much, and I actually just see the men going through a lot now as well.
16:25
SPEAKER_02: So there's so much more of a value in what you yourself and other people who have stepped into that realm and answered that call are doing because it's it's such a sensitive subject, you know, and I know there's so many of us out there who would like to do um more for themselves and have a bit more of an independence in themselves and a lot more knowing, yes, but a lot of the time just don't know where to go, and then a lot of our people get fed off, then we see all the outcomes of when people just get fed off and can't be bothered and just give up.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: But to circle back, I say psychologically, there's so much damage that has been done and is still being done.
17:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I celebrate you for that.
17:18
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: For that, um it's a pleasure, it's an honour, honestly.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: It really is.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, because that's why I've dedicated a whole section, the purge element.
17:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, because that's all around mindset.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: Like what I've realized, what I've learned, what I've noticed, people have like on the internet, like personally, in my within my community, full stop.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: I've noticed that like the mind is so powerful, especially in relation to our hair, how we think about our hair, how we speak about our hair, how we relate to our hair, it has an impact.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: And when we have consciousness around it, we can make it like a huge transformation.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: We see so much, and I'm like, I'm so grateful to you because the amount of people I'm gonna send you away.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, it's an honour.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: The amount of people I'm gonna send you away because there's so many people that I know are just lack of a better word, suffering.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: You know, because they just don't know what to do and have given up, type of thing, and just need that help or just need that care and that community.
18:29
SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's fascinating, it's the the targets that are on us as well, ex from external.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, no, community is a huge element of what I do.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: So if I was to say um, like as a whole, what I provide, the customization is probably the first thing, um, then a curriculum, and then the community, because the community is so powerful in a sense that it can really help you and support you in areas that you you didn't even expect that um it could help.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: That community in general is powerful, and I think it's something that people often take for granted.
19:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:11
SPEAKER_02: Sense only family.
19:13
SPEAKER_02: Let me share this with you because I have actually in real life tried these products, and as you would hear in this episode, I've mentioned that I really struggle with um my hair retaining moisture, it gets really dry.
19:26
SPEAKER_02: So the specific products that I have uh been blessed to be able to use is the products with the same name, blessed, also embrace also hogs and ketosis and mixotomy.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: And I can honestly say I've actually witnessed and I'm experiencing a huge difference in the retention of the moisture in my hair, which I'm pleasantly surprised by.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, I can definitely say my hair is a lot more shiny.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, I can see that my hair is definitely retaining moisture because even um my curl pattern has loosened somewhat and is remaining in that state, which is interesting and something that is not common for me.
20:09
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20:13
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20:14
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20:19
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20:24
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20:32
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20:38
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20:45
SPEAKER_00: Hair care, like it is community.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: A lot of the time it's like your mom or someone else doing your hair.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think that's always the best, honestly, because I prefer when someone else washes my hair, like 100%.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: I I I live for my um when I'm going to get my hair done.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: Shout out to my luctan Stevie.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: Um appreciate him.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Is he from um Birmingham?
21:10
SPEAKER_02: No, okay.
21:11
SPEAKER_02: I've lived in London for like 23 years.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: Oh, Birmingham.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh yes, yes, no.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: I've lived I've lived in London longer than I've lived in Birmingham.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh even though I uh held on to my accent.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: You have to my bromise.
21:33
SPEAKER_02: Love it.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, so um, yeah, no.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: I concur.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: I concur.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: Literally, when he did it, he did my hair last week and like um was washing my hands like scratch my head.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Scratch my head, my dad says, Listen, I do not have a tender head to my head since I was the old Bit listen, I can take it, scratch my head.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: I told I'm telling you to scratch my head.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm ready to rock on my head.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Well, I get it, I get it.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: It's there's nothing like a good scrub, is this?
22:13
SPEAKER_02: Listen, I'm here for I appreciate it, man.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, it definitely is um, as you say, it's a beautiful thing.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: And it's like traditionally when I'd say when we was little girls, it was bunding time.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: Yes, you know, when I can think of beautiful memories more.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: So the main person used to do my hair when I was younger was my aunt, my aunt Anne.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: Shout out to my aunt Anne.
22:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, because she was like the master brader.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, so she did all the commas and everything in my hair.
22:43
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it was like it's a good few hours as well.
22:46
SPEAKER_02: It's just it's one-on-one time.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
22:48
SPEAKER_02: Because you say it's personal.
22:49
SPEAKER_02: It's bonding, isn't it?
22:50
SPEAKER_02: Sponding.
22:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:51
SPEAKER_02: You're talking and you, yeah, just connecting.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: It is connection.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: What would you say to because one thing that's always kind of thrown me, and I think it's something that a lot of our people do, and they're not even conscious that they're doing it, because so many of our hair care shops are not owned by us.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: So there's an abundance of products in there, and they go in there and naturally will ask the people who own the shop what's the best products for them.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: These people don't have your hair.
23:23
SPEAKER_02: I guess I've just answered my own question.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, I've literally just answered my own question.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: Are you asking people who don't have your hair about your hair?
23:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay, done.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: Literally, yeah.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: Say Leslie.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: This is why I'm here.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, I went into the same shops.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: You know, I experienced the lack thereof customer service also, and the lack of knowledge and the lack of expertise or even respect a lot of the time.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: You've answered the question.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: So basically come to you, and yeah, okay.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a whole like network, yeah, and I would say that there is not as much, you know, accessibility because they are there, right?
24:11
SPEAKER_00: So I think it's just about us and people like me being more visible.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:18
SPEAKER_00: And you're here.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh they're gonna be sick of me soon.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: Never.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully not, but what I mean is I'm gonna be showing up all a lot more.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: That was I need to.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: You need to, because as I said, if there's like an imposter situation going on, and people are just recommending the craziest things that are that are the main thing is that are no good to our health, then it's a case of taking action and doing better.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:51
SPEAKER_02: One of the missions of this podcast, because I've I've spoken about this on various other episodes, was us supporting our businesses at the end of the day.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: So it's good because we need to know where our businesses are.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Yep, we do.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, we do.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you've got your website, don't you?
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Kellyby Nature.com.
25:13
SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
25:14
SPEAKER_02: So I will put that up and let people know where to come and get you.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: You're shipping international?
25:20
SPEAKER_02: I do.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: Give that.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: I do shipping internationally.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: But what I do want to do a lot more of though, like education, um, trainings, and just like masterclasses, like just online for free.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: Because I think there is a need for more serious and accurate information that I think people are starving off now at the moment.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: If there's a hunger and there is a need, so I'm definitely gonna be doing more.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: So definitely check out curlybinage.com.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
25:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, another thing to talk about because thankfully you've created a range for the hair externally.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: But we also know that you are what you eat.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: You are so what you put in your mouth, yeah.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent, and it really does make a difference.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: I see it in clients all the time, especially when they pair up really good healthy eating with exercise, it can be a game changer to the actual quality of hair that is produced as an outcome.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: Seriously, really.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, because um, even if you're I mean, it it goes in line with the circulation.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: I suppose, first of all, there needs to be like good quality nutrients within the blood flow in order for it to get to your hair, because obviously hair grows at a cellular level internally, right?
26:49
SPEAKER_00: So you have to be you can't just be eating rubbish and lots of sugars because that can give you inflammation and do all sorts of things like that will not contribute to the healthy hair production, like that the body is doing by itself, you know.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: But um, I think that's one thing that I'm actually majorly against is positioning products as a solution.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: Because whilst products are great tools, yeah, like someone saying, Yeah, buy this product because it will get it will grow your hair, like I can't, I I it doesn't sit right with my soul.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: Basically, yeah, and whilst I will tell you that all my products are great because they are, yeah, whilst I will tell you that the Mist Me product with all of the amazing ingredients that I've personally formulated myself, I 100% know that they're fabulous.
27:39
SPEAKER_00: If you're not doing everything in your power to not manifest but to care for your hair, and you're doing things that actually counter counteract what you're trying to do with a product, the product's not gonna work by itself by itself all the time.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Right.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: So if you're you're not like if your level your iron levels or your vitamin D, which is something that is very common, and you find that the quality of your hair is just it means it's gonna be breaking more often, then sometimes a product alone is not gonna do it.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
28:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a really holistic analysis that needs to be done.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, it has to be looked at from a holistic point of view.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: And yes, products is extremely important, but actually, I would say putting yourself and your care first, your health, what you consume, drinking lots of water.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Sounds so basic, yeah, but I see it all the time.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: It makes such a difference just to the quality of you know of you, of your health, because that's really where it starts.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: The main one of the things about this podcast is basically people who've seen a problem and took action to you know combat the problem, create some form of solution.
28:59
SPEAKER_02: This is clearly what you've done.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: Tell us about you answering your call to create the mission that you're currently on.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've got enough time for that.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: We do.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Because it's it's like whilst at the moment, like what I've probably spoken about so far is like the products, and I have spoken a bit about you know the Healthy Hair Care Club.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: I suppose as a whole, it's it's um I'm so so like passionate about education.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: Love it, me too.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Like out of everything, because I think that's where it all starts.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like the state of the industry at the moment is a mess.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: Like it's a huge mess.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: And if I'm honest, like being vulnerable, I didn't even feel like I was qualified enough to even do what I'm doing and solve this issue.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: I didn't expand.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yes, I was doing hair since I can remember.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: I used to sit down in the mirror like when I was eight years old and spend hours doing hair.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: So by the time I was 14 years old, I was already being paid to do my family and friends' hair.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: I went to a um salon and I just showed them my portfolio literally.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: And they were like, Yeah, you can come and start working next week.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: And I still didn't feel qualified.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I'm saying?
30:31
SPEAKER_00: Later on in the years because I didn't go and get a qualification in hairdressing.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: And I didn't do it, not because I didn't think I didn't need it.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: I wanted to get a qualification in hairdressing.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay, but when I went and looked at the curriculum, I couldn't see anything about black hair.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: Hey, that was literally a question that was about to come.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: I was literally waiting for you to finish speaking.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say, are we even in the curriculum?
30:59
SPEAKER_02: Are you therefore do you need that?
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I couldn't see anything, yeah, and it wasn't just one um institution or another.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: It was like all of the ones that I had access to, you know, that I can travel to, and it will do what I'm saying?
31:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was like, yeah, no, I don't, I don't what is what's going on?
31:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, I had an inkling that something wasn't right, but you know, you just living life.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: And then when you think about it and you see this celebrity stylist here, there and everywhere, and you just see like different things in the and I'm like, we've really had to learn for ourselves for a long time.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you really and it's amazing the journey that I've been on, to be fair, because I've met some incredible people.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Um I I remember going to the Museum of London and having an exhibition exhibit done on me and a few other people that introduced me to this exhibition, one of them being Rudy Page, and he used to be um working for Dike and Dryden.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: For context, um, Dyke and Dryden is um a company that started here.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: I think they were selling record records.
32:18
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: Um from they used to import it from the Caribbean, but they also used to import hair care products too.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, and then the hair care products took over, and so they started, they expanded with the hair care products.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's what's now known as PAX.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: Really?
32:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they sold it, it was mil it make they were the first, you know, black millionaires, I think.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, Dyke and Dryden.
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Look them up, girl.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: Yes, thank you for the new learning.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Explore.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um the person who was the market head of marketing in that organization.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can't even remember what I was saying from the beginning.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: You talking about Rudy.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: I was talking about Rudy Page, but I don't remember why.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Gosh, this dyslexia I'm all over the place.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um what I was gonna say was he introduced me to a lady who created the first black hair care association for the UK.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, and so there is a history because even out of her mouth, and I do have evidence, yeah, so I would say that they wanted um the organizations in the UK to write information and education into you know and bu and build a career.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, but they was like, no, do it yourself, and that's how they were formed.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of, and that's why I'm saying education for me is the main thing because, like I said, the in I think now we're 2026 and 2021, I believe, was the first time they made it like a legal requirement to include Afro hair, and to be fair, I must say that it wasn't the first time that Afro hair was in there, so it has been over the years, but sometimes it's it's an optional thing.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and the basic is isn't is is too basic, it's not um enough for people to really properly grasp, understand, and learn.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: And to be fair, it is a thing that some um many people have to practice.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: It's a practice, right?
34:33
SPEAKER_00: So you can learn in a textbook, but the truth is that you really need to get proper experience, right?
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Granted, I somebody who doesn't have my type of hair growing out of their head doesn't need to touch my hair.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: I hear what you're saying.
34:47
SPEAKER_02: Chime in down the comments, I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: I don't want people like if you don't know the nuances of my hair, yeah, why you I don't I don't need you touching my hair.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: But I understand exactly what you're saying, but shouldn't it be like granted to just get your hair washed?
35:06
SPEAKER_02: They can wash my hair.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: But post-washing, pass me to the person who has my.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: But during that basic service of washing your hair, yeah, in my opinion, whether my hair is growing out of my head afro, curly, straight, whatever, if I'm in a professional position and I'm giving a service to the public, I shouldn't now, I mean, unless I'm not going to like 100% specify and specialise in a specific hairstyle, fair enough.
35:37
SPEAKER_00: But I should be able to do all the basic services to care for your hair and put it in a basic style throughout my service.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: That's the main thing, right?
35:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying you must be a loctitian.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I'm saying?
35:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the day, if I have this hair coming out of my head, I still have to learn about straight hair anyway.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: So why couldn't it be the opposite?
36:03
SPEAKER_02: I get it in terms of people having the skills to offer that.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you're in a professional professional.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: I personally am not going to, but it's good to know that you can do it.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, to be fair, I mean and I I think that comes with the fact that there's not that trust even amongst our own.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely not.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: To be honest.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: No, it's true.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because some people when when they're bad mind, it's like literally in my family, just as a side note, yeah.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: We in my family when we have long hair, some rub onten going on, like especially my my auntie who I mentioned down here before.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: My aunt Annie's as a specific, she's known to naturally have long hair to the point where people have asked her all sorts of some somewhat rude questions in her lifetime and then make assumptions in terms of her parents, who her parents are.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: But can I can can we just pause?
36:59
SPEAKER_00: Can we just pause on that?
37:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, can you hear like the thinking?
37:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like why?
37:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they just assume that black people can't grow long hair.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: And she's got very long hair, and her hair stays growing, and she's a big woman and she still grows like it's still.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: Because our hair, and I don't like hearing our hair is fragile because it's curly.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: No, like why?
37:25
SPEAKER_02: No, yes, it's the point I was going to make.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: Because when we have people who have have healthy hair in our community, um, or have longer hair in our community, we're going to certain hairdressers on a bad mind team.
37:43
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna mush up your hair on a hate on a hateration.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, to be honest, to be honest, it is something I've actually experienced for myself.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I do think it's very real.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: Like it's important to develop a good rapport with someone that is going to put their hands.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: It's a connection, yeah.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: And I would argue that it would be so far as a very spiritual act.
38:09
SPEAKER_02: Very much so, very much so.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: It's like, it's like just to add another quick um story, my lactation who before Stevie, who I had before, I was with him for years, and we had a really great relationship bond, and it it did something that last time I seen him that really hurt my feelings.
38:34
SPEAKER_02: Basically, he had, I think he had like a I don't know, apprentice or whatever, who washed my hair and he's done my hair, and then my hair felt like my hair was on fire literally like days or so after, and I'm like, why does my head feel like it's but first of all, my hair's natural.
38:53
SPEAKER_02: And what you're using on my hair.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping it's natural as well.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: Where's my feeling?
39:00
SPEAKER_02: My head's on fire, it got so bad that I was like, I don't know what to do, and then I thought, oh, how can I cool in my head?
39:05
SPEAKER_02: I've got alovium on my scalp, a lot was going on.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: I said to him, my head's burning it's like oh basically, he needed to go to Ghana.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: I said, bruv.
39:15
SPEAKER_02: I need to sort out my head before you go to Ghana.
39:17
SPEAKER_02: He still went to Ghana, it's kind of like, oh, uh, I'll help you out when I get back.
39:22
SPEAKER_02: Two weeks later, when I think man's back, Clarissa, oh now I'm waiting for him to come.
39:26
SPEAKER_02: Clarissa, I'm waiting for him until now to come and sort out my head.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how many years ago that was.
39:32
SPEAKER_02: I was so hurt.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: I was so hurt and offended that it would just leave me in that way.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, your hair is your health, your scalp is your health.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: You have a big responsibility as a hairdresser for somebody's health.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: Literally, it's like I think some people there's like a separation.
39:51
SPEAKER_02: I seen him, and if I was on a bad mind team, I would call out his name.
39:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to, but I could.
40:00
SPEAKER_02: And he's and he's well known in London.
40:02
SPEAKER_02: And I won't, but I could.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: I was so hurt.
40:06
SPEAKER_02: Literally.
40:07
SPEAKER_02: And then the thing is, I'm not gonna go down that road.
40:10
SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: Story done.
40:14
SPEAKER_02: I've moved on, I've got a new hairdresser.
40:16
SPEAKER_02: It's great.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: We have a we have a wonderful band.
40:20
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: All is well.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: All I'm saying to you is that I think there's a lot of people who don't, it's a huge responsibility.
40:27
SPEAKER_02: It is you know, it is and um uh and communication is key.
40:31
SPEAKER_02: Communication is key, and and and manners and respect is key as well.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: It's it's a responsibility, and I'm like, I'm not gonna go down the rabbit hole of chemicals and people burning people's scalp and things like that right now because we know it's a major thing in a community as well.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: It is, it is.
40:49
SPEAKER_00: That's I think that was probably the main thing that they really gave us education on.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: Do you hear me?
40:55
SPEAKER_00: Like that was like mass-produced on a global level, relaxes, and we were educated about it, not properly, obviously, because there was hairdressers that were telling me that you know, relaxes and what's the one, texturisers are very different, they're not the same thing.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: It's still chemicals, it's the same thing, in my opinion.
41:18
SPEAKER_00: Might be different levels, yeah, but it's the same um active ingredient.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: So that that showed me that even though at my stage, like when I was coming up, even when I was learning from people who I that who was mentoring me, they still had a certain you know lens that they were looking out from, and they were learning from specific, you know, um people that was giving them information that this not that didn't necessarily have our community's best interest at heart.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah, yeah.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm not even gonna go down that road because yeah, that's a whole thing.
42:02
SPEAKER_02: First of all, I'm like, I don't in 2026.
42:05
SPEAKER_02: Why is relaxers even a thing anymore?
42:09
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter.
42:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I honestly I I don't even have like I am not against anything specifically if people are aware of what they're doing.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: So if they understand that when they put a relaxer in their hair, they are literally damaging their hair on the chemical level and they are cool with that, then that's fine.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, do you?
42:34
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
42:35
SPEAKER_00: Like if they are if they're aware, if when they're not aware, is what really hurts me and that I will be speaking up on all the time.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: But like if you actually know, like, and you're achieving it because you want this pixie and that's the only way you're gonna get that look, right?
42:51
SPEAKER_00: Or you just want to keep your hair straight all the time, even though I would argue there's other ways to do that, like literally, like you can wear your hair straight all the time without putting a chemical in it and enjoy it and it not feel like hard work.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: There are ways, and it's just about you actually properly understanding how to care for your hair to achieve that in a way that it's not gonna be hard work, in a way that it's not gonna take all your time and all your energy and be like a whole wash day, and then you gotta do A, B, and C and use all of this stuff.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
43:32
SPEAKER_00: Like you can still do it in a simple way that could only require the same or even less time than it would be for you to maintain your relaxer.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
43:43
SPEAKER_02: I have actually just seen on my my ads.
43:46
SPEAKER_02: There's this new brush now that I don't know if it's got some form of steam or something going on it in it.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, some form of magic brush.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, I haven't really looked into it, but it seems to now, in terms of the ads, but the ads are I'm Given AI generated.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, just the brush is now straightening people's hair, and I believe in a more healthy manner.
44:08
SPEAKER_02: Healthy.
44:10
SPEAKER_00: These people get me, you know, are telling you, healthy.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean how?
44:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh listen.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: Is it I mean you didn't send me those links so that I can see it?
44:24
SPEAKER_02: So it probably was not accurate.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: I didn't even click on it.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
44:30
SPEAKER_02: A lot.
44:31
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: But uh hey, story for other days.
44:35
SPEAKER_02: You know the hair that people use for extensions and braids, the the mad crazy chemicals that are run these hair bundles.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:46
SPEAKER_02: To the point where someone was in, I think it was a documentary investigating the big companies, this was more so in America, that produce these hairs.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: And when that the investigation might be in America, but what's actually being done is globally.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: Right.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: So don't get it twisted.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: It's happening over here as well.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: So people investigating this.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: Look, I'm not saying that they're investigating it over here, but the same manufacturers, yeah, it's happening over here in terms of our hair.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: It's often not much different in terms of the levels of chemicals.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Because it's not regulated over here as well.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:24
SPEAKER_00: So what I'm saying is what they're finding in their investigations in America, it's likely that it's happening over here as well.
45:31
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's the same hair bundle, then it exactly.
45:33
SPEAKER_02: It's all from the same factory.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:35
SPEAKER_02: On two different boats.
45:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and America.
45:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:39
SPEAKER_02: But it was wild, the amount of um chemicals in the um extension hair.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: So when you see people doing that, it's beyond just the fact that they've got to be.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: It's your hair talking to you.
45:54
SPEAKER_02: It's your hair screaming and shouting because the chemicals are reacting to your actual poor suffering scalp.
46:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: So you can pat it all you want, you're still mashing up your scalp.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: And when you find that when you when you have your own natural hair, you're not having to be patting your scalp on them levels.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: No.
46:13
SPEAKER_00: Literally.
46:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:14
SPEAKER_02: So things are eating your head.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
46:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I don't know if I mean maybe No, because I've seen some of the factories where they're making some of the hair.
46:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:26
SPEAKER_02: And it's not clean and hygienic.
46:28
SPEAKER_02: No, I don't believe it is.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: There's a madness going on in the factories.
46:33
SPEAKER_02: So if we come I'm making jokes about bogsy in your head.
46:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: Like there's a level of this is it.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: I've seen a woman who I believe she created, I think she was using banana leaves to make hair.
46:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: It was really clever.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have to find her.
46:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, because she was trying to find a help.
46:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there are a few, there are a few um manufacturers, um, and black-owned, female-owned, that are um, what do you call it, more sustainable and clean, quick, um, or biographer, like alternatives that you can use.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: And then also, it's always best to go to like a reputable distributor.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's all I can probably say on it because if you decide to use it, you would probably go a few extra steps and shampoo the hair that you use before you install it into your hair and scalp anyway, which is I think standard procedure.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: I know some hairdressers find that as extra, and they would accommodate if asked, but that is my minimal standard anyway, and has been for years.
47:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, to wash the bundle first, yeah, always, and then and rinse it with apple cider vinegar as well.
47:54
SPEAKER_02: They're not gonna do that because it you know, because you you know it it will change the if it's like a silky bundle or something.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's basically it's a lot of extra work, isn't it?
48:04
SPEAKER_00: It is extra work and extra time, and and often it should be done before the service starts.
48:11
SPEAKER_00: Right.
48:11
SPEAKER_00: Because then you could just do the service, right?
48:13
SPEAKER_00: It's like an extra, but that's what I that's what I do.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: I am extra in every sense of the word.
48:19
SPEAKER_00: Because you're a fellow Virgo.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: I am a Virgo, yeah.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: Love it.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: The Virgo extra is this how we roll?
48:25
SPEAKER_00: It is how we roll.
48:26
SPEAKER_00: If you want to do something, you've got to do it properly, isn't it?
48:28
SPEAKER_00: Of course, absolutely.
48:30
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say, you know, and it's just just being inspired by this conversation and also the fact that I'm currently making a documentary, not on this subject, something completely different, but I'm in that space of production.
48:43
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, a documentary that I've actually really appreciated for many years was the one that um the comedian Chris Rock did.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
48:52
SPEAKER_02: Good hair.
48:53
SPEAKER_02: Many moons ago.
48:55
SPEAKER_02: We need a new one.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we do.
48:57
SPEAKER_02: We really do.
48:58
SPEAKER_02: Chris, I don't know if you're gonna do it, but anybody?
49:02
SPEAKER_00: Somebody that inspired so many.
49:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'd love to.
49:07
SPEAKER_00: Hey, we might have to talk to about I'm clearly Miss Production Woman now.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: It's always been my cards to be producer, so we can go produce.
49:14
SPEAKER_02: I'm actually okay, we'll talk.
49:15
SPEAKER_02: You're actually what?
49:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm making a produ um a documentary at the moment.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm producing a documentary at the moment, completely other subject, but I am Miss Producer lady right now, busy and booked.
49:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm loving it.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: We'll do it.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's do it.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: Look at this.
49:30
SPEAKER_00: People got the exclusive live on the camera.
49:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm not even joking though.
49:34
SPEAKER_02: No, yeah, no, I and like I've had other guests on this podcast who just raised capital like it's nothing, they just raise money.
49:41
SPEAKER_02: Like money's not an issue.
49:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's cool.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: Virgos.
49:46
SPEAKER_02: I'm not even playing.
49:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm not playing.
49:49
SPEAKER_02: We need to listen.
49:50
SPEAKER_02: My life is consumed by these things right now.
49:53
SPEAKER_02: That's why I had the last episode we're just talking about AI.
49:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yes, I need AI because the things that's going on right now.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: The way AI has already changed up my life.
50:03
SPEAKER_02: Trust me.
50:04
SPEAKER_02: Well, anyway.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: There you go.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: An exclusive documentary coming.
50:09
SPEAKER_02: I'm loving it.
50:10
SPEAKER_02: Educate the people, man.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: This is what we need.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: It's needed, it's actually needed and necessary.
50:16
SPEAKER_00: This is what we're supposed to be doing, giving to the people, no?
50:21
SPEAKER_02: Yes, we are.
50:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, times are changing.
50:23
SPEAKER_00: That's what we're created for.
50:25
SPEAKER_02: The revolution will be televised.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
50:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm here for it.
50:31
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, talk to me about your products.
50:33
SPEAKER_02: Or talk to us about your products.
50:35
SPEAKER_00: So I'll just say this, yeah.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: I suppose curly by nature, like we've been about this.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: 2013 is when I first started and launched my first set of products.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: I think I only launched with three at the time.
50:52
SPEAKER_00: I now have I think about seven on the site.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: If depending on when this is going to be aired, they might not be able to access the site in terms of just buying it now because I'm changing it.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: Because I do so much in terms of products are important, like, don't get it twisted, products are important, but they're secondary in my mission.
51:17
SPEAKER_00: Education's first, right?
51:20
SPEAKER_00: So I'm changing my website to a like wait list only, and people can access it.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
51:27
SPEAKER_00: Like on a monthly basis for a couple of days when the site is open, they'll be able to purchase it and then it will go down.
51:35
SPEAKER_00: And that's for several reasons.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: It's not because of hype or anything, it's mainly because I literally make everything from scratch from my studio.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: And so that means I'm able to better manage production, inventory, like ordering supplies, and that's each and every individual ingredient, which is all traceable, and it's a lot of paperwork, yeah, which I have to manage, as well as also see clients, right?
52:05
SPEAKER_00: As always, as well as always, as well as manage the community in the club, yes, and produce content.
52:13
SPEAKER_00: And you should also check out my YouTube channel because I'm gonna be starting producing regular videos there too, because it's education first.
52:22
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
52:23
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to say this you want to be on that waiting list because that list will tell you even more information about the products.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: I've got a shampoo called Blessed, it's African black soap based, amazing ingredients, cleanses the hair thoroughly without stripping of its natural oils.
52:48
SPEAKER_00: It's gentle, it smells divine, and a little bit goes a very long way.
52:55
SPEAKER_00: So they're all quite concentrated.
52:57
SPEAKER_00: All the ingredients, all the products alone are concentrated.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's matched very well with Highly Favoured, which is our conditioner.
53:05
SPEAKER_00: It's a three-in-one conditioner, so you can use it as a um leave-in, you can use it as a um rinse-off for a few minutes, or you can do it, use it as a deep conditioner as well.
53:17
SPEAKER_00: I've got products basically for everything.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: I've got an edge control, and I'm talking about an edge control that is healthy, that's not sitting on top of your scalp, that is not burning your scalp, that is not clogging your pores, and it doesn't flake, there's no residue, and it actually works, and it's all natural.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, I've got that.
53:41
SPEAKER_00: I've got edge retention balm.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: That's called Hugs and Kisses, by the way.
53:46
SPEAKER_00: I've got quite a few products.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh Power.
53:50
SPEAKER_00: I've got I've got Power, which is um our 21 in one 24, actually, it's 24 oils in one product.
54:03
SPEAKER_00: Powerful, game-changing.
54:05
SPEAKER_00: It has all the ingredients allow it to absorb into your hair shaft.
54:11
SPEAKER_00: So if you are finding that you are you do have you know dry hair, power is really, really good.
54:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's got actives, it's got minerals, it's got vitamins, it's got probe vitamin B5, it's got quite, it's got lots of ingredients in there that is amazing.
54:30
SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's so funny because I've got so many products with so many different ingredients, and they all, it's not I've the way I've sort of uh developed the line isn't your traditional you know, beauty hair care manufacturers type style where they'll develop one line and they'll just have like a highlight, you know, moringa oil ingredient in it throughout all of the products and say that this moringa oil does X, Y, and Z, and then a strengthening, and then that whole line is for strengthening, and then they'll have another line with another hero product, but all the base is the exact same, okay, and it just changes with the oh, is that how they do it?
55:14
SPEAKER_00: Did I just reveal something?
55:15
SPEAKER_00: You did I mean for duped when I went to cosmetics when I was learning studying cosmetic sciences and I was going to classes, I was like, oh my gosh, is this how is this how it is?
55:28
SPEAKER_00: Hey, and I was like, this is so interesting, and it's not it's not every organization, uh every brand and every manufacturer are different, but a lot of them are lazy.
55:43
SPEAKER_02: I've literally got one in my mind right now, and she she sold it, and I was I was so upset when she sold it.
55:49
SPEAKER_02: I know we've got several who have sold it, but there's just one that stands out, and I'm like, when they keep bringing out the different lines, yeah.
55:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what is what how is this one?
55:59
SPEAKER_00: It's about so many it's about it's about money.
56:02
SPEAKER_00: I see that because why do you have to have 10 different shampoos for one for for one?
56:08
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you need to have several.
56:09
SPEAKER_00: Don't get me don't get it twisted.
56:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you might need to have a few different ones for because they function differently, right?
56:16
SPEAKER_00: But you don't have to have like 10 or 20, you know?
56:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so yeah, I'm not thinking that slight um interval.
56:26
SPEAKER_02: So this episode is sponsored by me.
56:33
SPEAKER_02: That's where people see me with me.
56:35
SPEAKER_02: My little bit of swag.
56:36
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, my little match.
56:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, people would see me with my hoodie.
56:40
SPEAKER_02: If anybody likes no nonsense and wants sense only hoodie, you can now get it on the website.
56:46
SPEAKER_02: I've now done it, so we have a sense only website, senseonly.com, and I'm going to continue to add more products and more things of people who are sensible and operate in sense only and want to actually also just promote sensible living and the podcast.
57:07
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, senseonly.com and here we are.
57:11
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and I've got a mug as well.
57:16
SPEAKER_02: And the mug yeah, great.
57:23
SPEAKER_02: I was going to ask, because I've just mentioned the other, we've had so many wonderful brands in past.
57:32
SPEAKER_02: This is a business question now, and it's on um business retention and also legacy, and just handing our legacy away.
57:41
SPEAKER_02: So, as I said, in terms of a business that just came to mind and she sold it, and then I'm thinking about another one that literally has the same name as my mum.
57:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna go down there.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: Another brand that was our first hero one, and she sold it.
57:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm not trying to dictate it to you, but I pray that you don't sell it.
58:02
SPEAKER_02: Literally, why to keep it because I'm like, we have so many beautiful brands that are of service to us and combating the fact of, as we said, we can go into the hair shop that's not owned by us and see a gazillion products and have this guy telling us all sorts of stuff.
58:24
SPEAKER_02: And technically, you shouldn't you shouldn't really open your mouth to us to say anything to yourself.
58:29
SPEAKER_02: Granted, other than hello, how are you?
58:31
SPEAKER_02: You can't, I'm not gonna, we shouldn't even be asking you nothing because what do you know?
58:36
SPEAKER_02: So I say that's already a sold-out situation already.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, so when we have um our heroes and heroines who step up like yourself and answer the call and are of service and actually taking the time to sit in their kitchens or wherever and create these things that are in a different spirit and in a different heart than the guy who owns the shop, it's beyond you.
59:02
SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
59:05
SPEAKER_02: Everyone knows I've got a big mouth, so I'm gonna say it's not about you anymore, you know.
59:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, because one thing that I always highlight as a is that us as a people, we don't operate for for eons, we've not really operated on a singular.
59:23
SPEAKER_02: We have always been a collective people globally through generations.
59:30
SPEAKER_02: That's our makeup, that's how we roll.
59:32
SPEAKER_02: We roll together.
59:34
SPEAKER_02: So I say that to say, whatever you create, and you're creating it in the best interest of I pray, in the best interest of us, and I'm not talking just you individually, just our people who create the thing.
59:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not just it's not about you anymore.
59:47
SPEAKER_02: No, I mean because it's the same thing.
59:49
SPEAKER_02: I said before we put on these cameras and I said about this podcast, I said, yeah, I I did all the things that I needed to do and turn on the camera, and I'm sitting here talking to all the amazing people who sit on that chair.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_02: But I knew from the start that this was bigger than me, you know.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_02: When I get tired listen, when I get tired, girl.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_02: When I get tired, I have to virtually box myself in the face and say it's not about you.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_02: No, and when I have this reminder, it's not about me, my my level of energy is secondary to what's being achieved.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I know I hear rambling.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_02: You're not rambling at all.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_02: You're not rambling at all.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_02: So I say that to say, like, even for me, as this is growing and we see the things that are coming, I'm gonna get to a point where I still have to own this.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_02: Even when they cremate me, I still have to own it.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_02: And anybody else who, once I've dashed this in a trust, it's still passed down to whomever.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_02: I have no choice but to do that.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_02: So I say we need to do that.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't it could because it's we can't keep whinging that we don't have things.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_02: I love this thing.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_02: And then have people create the thing and then sell the thing.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_02: Do you know what I've been hearing?
1:01:16
SPEAKER_02: Make it make sense.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not gonna at this point, I'm not gonna say who's wrong and who's right, but the message or the narrative that I've been hearing a lot.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_00: And like I said, I'm not saying where I'm standing right now, I'm just saying this narrative I've been hearing a lot is the first thing.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_00: What's the point of building a business?
1:01:39
SPEAKER_02: It depends where your heart's at.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_02: So if people are just trying to, I just need to raise some money, I just want money.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_02: If money, if money is your objective, money alone, because I I'm not don't make me look like I'm anti-money because we we're on this planet, we need to live, you need cash, you know.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_02: But we have other reasons as well for why we're doing things.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_02: If you're just trying to money only, I'm going to do anything for money, I'm going to sell my family for money, I'm going to, you know, you know what I mean.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_00: If you're that kind of person, then you're, you know, that's one lane.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_00: I think I understand what you're saying.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_00: So that is it, that's what the question is.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_00: It's like when you first come into this business, like, what are you doing it for?
1:02:19
SPEAKER_00: What is your end goal?
1:02:21
SPEAKER_02: What's your why?
1:02:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:02:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of the people who have sold had that from like that as an intention from the beginning.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_00: Most of them.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_00: Some of them probably saw an opportunity because of the stress and the the turmoil and the the the trenches they've been through.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_00: Because it is not hard.
1:02:44
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's not easy.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_00: It's not easy.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's not easy.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_02: But it's worth it.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_02: Anything that's worth anything, you're gonna go through the trenches.
1:02:53
SPEAKER_02: It's not for the for the faint-hearted, it's not, but that's what divides everybody, that's what divides people who are business owners who actually answer the call and step into it.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_02: Once you're stepping into it, is one thing holding fire and staying in there and pushing through.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_02: Is that that's how you're a whole different breed of person to push through with your own business against everything.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_02: Enemies are coming from all angles, yes, you know, where it's physical people, spiritual, yeah, paperwork from all sorts is coming.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_02: You have to be a true different level of gangster to push through, and that's what separates people.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that's why I'm going off on a tangent.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_02: People who actually have successful businesses can only have respect for other people who have successful businesses, and this is why when anybody rocks up trying to be a hater, successful people ain't got no time.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_02: We'd pay no attention to haters because I'm like, if you were actually doing something great and wonderful in your life, you would understand what it's taken for us to get to this level and you'd respect that, so you wouldn't even have time to hate.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_02: So when that's this is why haters just get ignored on a side note.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:04:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I hear what you're saying.
1:04:04
SPEAKER_00: I do, I understand completely.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_00: I think I think for me, I don't think it's a bad thing to sell your business if you've gone into it to do that.
1:04:14
SPEAKER_00: What I do think is how you do it.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_00: So for um, it's questionable.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_00: So I think if you're selling to some like another one of us, that's fair because it's still building.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_00: So they have to be, there has to be like a criteria.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:04:32
SPEAKER_00: Where the person like whoever you've you've handed this entity that is so special to the community, not just to you, yes, it should be in the hands of somebody that is also trustworthy.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_00: Somebody who cares just trustworthy.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_00: Somebody who cares, yes, somebody who that can continue to grow and nurture.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_00: The entity as well as everybody else that is going to impact.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_00: And another thing is, you know when you're raising money, because usually it's it's organizations that have at some point taken on funding, that's the indicator that at some point they're going to sell, they're gonna liquidate, they're going to, you know, for all the people who have um invested, they need to see a return on their investment.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I'm saying?
1:05:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_00: So with organizations like myself, I'm like fully um like bootstrapped.
1:05:29
SPEAKER_00: It wouldn't be your worry because it's at the point I start taking outside investment that's not from somebody from my community, I wouldn't ever do.
1:05:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't think I would ever do because I know why I started this organization.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_00: And at this point, it's not even like an organization.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_00: I know that sounds probably um something that I have to work on myself like internally, but it's an extension of me.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_00: Curly by nature is an extension of me.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it's still a business.
1:05:57
SPEAKER_00: It is still a business, but it's still a business.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: Still a business.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_00: It is a bit.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_00: It is a business.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_00: It's something that I wouldn't necessarily at this point take external funding from because then it becomes a whole different beast.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because you're at the mercy of these other people at that point.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_02: I hear you.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_00: And I like to be my own boss.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't like people telling me what to do.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_00: So the only way I envision an external parties investing in my organization is if I still remain in like full control.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you can do that.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can do that.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_00: Full control.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_00: And then also it would have to have a positive impact on the community.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_00: So some the reason why they're coming in is because it's going to impact the community.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_00: Because it has to be education focused.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_02: But the fact that you've said that shows that you care.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_02: So you and it can that can be achieved.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_02: So therefore you don't need to sell it or sell out.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I think that's why I asked you the question at the beginning.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_00: Then what is selling, like what what is wrong with selling, or what is selling out?
1:07:04
SPEAKER_02: It's selling out because once it gets as as you've just beautifully refined my rant.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_02: Um it depends who you sell it to.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_02: If you're more selective with sending it to as you say somebody else who cares, fair.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:07:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, if you just send it to the highest be that, because I just want to now be a billionaire because who met it.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_00: I think business is spiritual as well.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_00: It's very spiritual.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_00: So, like, why as I say hair is like business is like ultimately very spiritual.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_00: Very?
1:07:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_02: Because you at the same time you think about the people who are patronizing it, they've signed up to your care and your mission and the heart that you may have initially shared with them, and people have jumped on that mission, yeah.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, and are rocking with you, yeah, and feel that you care for them, yeah, and then you sell it to Charles who doesn't give too about us.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_02: And now Charles and them want to just dash all sorts of madness in the thing.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_02: We're none the wiser because we still, if if if it's not public that your business has been sold, we're none the wiser, so we still think you're in your kitchen doing whatever, or or or more of an independent factory situation, yeah, where people still care.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and now because this one's like now profit margins now need to go up, so we're gonna reduce the healthy stuff and just that's all sorts of matters.
1:08:31
SPEAKER_00: I think this is why I started it as well, because when I was seeing what was actually like in the products, and seeing how organized um companies and brands will be calling their products organic when it wasn't, it was just 100% synthetic, or maybe not 100%, maybe like maybe 95%.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_02: Is that more than enough madness?
1:08:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was like, are they serious?
1:08:56
SPEAKER_00: This is it, and I think it's just about for me, in order for that not to happen, the main investors just need to be the community.
1:09:03
SPEAKER_00: The main investors need to be the community if it needs to stay community focused.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_00: Because I know that I can grow, I can do a lot more if I have more customers.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_00: I can do a lot more and give more and have more stuff and grow more if I have more customers.
1:09:21
SPEAKER_00: That's just how it works, right?
1:09:23
SPEAKER_00: And then I wouldn't have to be thinking about outside investment.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_02: But it's just business, isn't it?
1:09:29
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, have we been living in the Western Hemisphere too long?
1:09:33
SPEAKER_02: Because the attitudes have changed.
1:09:36
SPEAKER_02: What do you mean?
1:09:37
SPEAKER_02: Because if it's just a case of oh, just as you it's just it's just money.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_02: Money, money, money, money.
1:09:43
SPEAKER_02: And my thing is the care.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_02: Where's the care?
1:09:49
SPEAKER_02: Because your stance was I align with that.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_02: Because as you said, they've taken the time to be like, do you align with the mission or the original mission?
1:09:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:09:59
SPEAKER_02: Can I, because your business is your baby.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_02: Can I entrust to hand the baby to you?
1:10:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_02: And know that you're going to take care of it.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_02: I think that's a great analogy.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_02: You know?
1:10:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't feel like we're handing over babies with care.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_02: It it's on a or they're just they're gonna give me a big payday, hand over the thing.
1:10:23
SPEAKER_00: And I think there's a responsibility on if they do, you know, hand over the baby and in a that sounds so crass, actually.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_00: Now it sounds handing over a baby to get money.
1:10:34
SPEAKER_00: That sounds mad.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_00: But this is what they're doing! No, but listen, yeah.
1:10:38
SPEAKER_00: If they were to do that, they need to make sure that they impact a whole bigger like amount of the community than they could have ever done if they just still had that baby.
1:10:53
SPEAKER_00: That's what I would want to see.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_00: They would still, because they have that, they are now able to invest in smaller companies.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_00: They are now able to empower and educate and support and and share with the rest of us.
1:11:13
SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I mean?
1:11:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the only way they could have done that is by taking that option rather than staying where they were.
1:11:22
SPEAKER_00: It's now enabled them to grow and still keep an eye on the baby from a distance.
1:11:29
SPEAKER_02: That analogy is is beautiful, but it doesn't happen.
1:11:34
SPEAKER_00: I would argue that it does.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_02: With who?
1:11:37
SPEAKER_00: I would say um for me, I believe, because I don't know this person personally, but the founder of Shane Moisture, I don't think they disclosed how much he made from selling Shane Moisture.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_00: But I truly believe that whilst he might not have a say in the day-to-day operations of Shane Moisture, and I I don't know like or fool around with necessarily the products at the moment, but for him, in terms of selling his organization, I again I don't I haven't seen the paperwork, I don't know, but I do know that it was beyond a hundred million dollars.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how much it could be in the billions, I don't know.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_00: But what I do know is that he has had a huge, incredible impact, especially amongst black entrepreneurs, since even today.
1:12:39
SPEAKER_00: And he he's bought black um, you know, Essence magazine and the show The Fest, he owns that, so he's still very active in our community and is doing a lot for our community today, more than he probably would have if he was still operating Shea Moisture.
1:12:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I know it does happen and I don't think it's spoken about enough.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_02: It's not, it's not because save my rants.
1:13:07
SPEAKER_00: And I don't, I can't, like I said, I can't speak on these people personally because I do not know them.
1:13:13
SPEAKER_00: But if you are listening, you can come and check out Curly by Nature and support the cause, you know.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_00: Our products are amazing.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_00: Love that, yeah.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_00: But no, I think, and I have thought about this myself.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_00: Would I sell Curly by Nature?
1:13:28
SPEAKER_00: Would I sell out?
1:13:30
SPEAKER_00: Like, I thought about this and I'm like, no, but when I've learned about people like Shane Wish's founder, I can't pronounce his name to the like, I know it's like Rich something.
1:13:43
SPEAKER_00: I think Dennis is her name, is Dennis.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_00: When I've seen people like him, I was like, oh, okay, maybe you can um find people like he's someone that would I would be able to sell my business to because he would be able to afford it by the time I'm able to build my company up.
1:14:02
SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I'm saying?
1:14:03
SPEAKER_00: And he's in the organiser, he's in the community.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, it just needs to be a safe person.
1:14:09
SPEAKER_02: It has to be safe.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_02: If it's a safe person and you know that they've got the same integrity as you go forth, please do.
1:14:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, integrity is important.
1:14:19
SPEAKER_00: It's like a it's partnership.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_02: This is it.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_02: Well, my my my issue is you just as I said, you're sending it to Charles and them, and they are just now gonna start messing with the formulas, and it's no longer for the best interest of the community.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_02: That's what I have a problem with.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_00: No, I have a problem with that too, a thousand percent.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's why I was a thousand percent like no, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
1:14:42
SPEAKER_00: But the more I I read and learn and um understand that actually, even now, whilst I'm not in any, I don't have any intentions to sell my business, I want to build my business to a point where I can see and people are approaching me to buy it.
1:15:02
SPEAKER_00: Do you get what I'm saying?
1:15:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's beautiful, innit?
1:15:04
SPEAKER_02: It's flattering.
1:15:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it definitely helps you response.
1:15:08
SPEAKER_00: But it's just about it's just about positioning yourself in a way that you can do the best for your company for your community.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_02: This is it, and as you say, if you can get more far and wide from that one sale, I guess it's trying to learn what the whole journey looks like or or or what the what the vision is, shall we say?
1:15:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because we don't have a Black Wall Street anymore, right?
1:15:35
SPEAKER_02: These things have got burnt down, and I guess that was a physical place, but I'm even talking about globally or over virtually, yeah.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_00: But I I think that's changing, it's changing, and it's a beautiful thing.
1:15:46
SPEAKER_02: So this is why I'm like because it's changing, everyone needs to get on board on the same mindset up.
1:15:54
SPEAKER_02: We're building, is what the point I'm making.
1:15:56
SPEAKER_02: 100% because we're building, yeah, we have to this the stages to these things in life, yes, you know what I mean.
1:16:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes, so if we're so so I'll go, I'm gonna go back to a tangible street because we're building up the street collectively, yes, we've got whoever.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_02: Michael's got a chap, we've got building a street, Michael's got the chap on the street with the rest of us, and he's gonna bring Charles and them into the street.
1:16:26
SPEAKER_02: You're really not letting go of this child.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm not because we're building a street.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_00: I feel like we need to focus on our own full stop.
1:16:34
SPEAKER_02: 100% I'm saying to this is why I've got a beam up on it, yeah, because once we've built up the street, yeah, and we're moving on to the next the adjacent street cool, that's fine if you're gonna bring in a random anything because we we we now have a um a strategy and there's this structure happening, yeah.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
1:16:59
SPEAKER_02: Strategy and structure, you know what I mean?
1:17:01
SPEAKER_02: So it's like there's less things to mash up the foundation, but if we're just in the foundation stages and you just you know what I mean, bringing in different things.
1:17:11
SPEAKER_00: But the foundation is not the foundation stages is like we have to get, I mean, for me, I'm just like I'm in staying in my own lane, right?
1:17:18
SPEAKER_00: And I say for me, my foundation is building my business, impacting my community, yeah, that's it.
1:17:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you serving the people, that's it.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_00: Like that's literally all I do day in, day out.
1:17:31
SPEAKER_02: But you're a cug in this big machine, you know what I mean?
1:17:36
SPEAKER_02: So as much as you are doing something singular to you, you are with us.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is it.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_02: So you send the the the fantastically blessed, wonderful bolt that you are.
1:17:50
SPEAKER_02: You take your bolt self and send it to Charles and them.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_00: How is that how do you see that happening?
1:17:58
SPEAKER_00: I can't see that ever happening.
1:17:59
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
1:18:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying I'm talking about from what I was saying before in terms of whomever, not you, not you in particular, but somebody is, as I say, as a whole, we're collective people, so we're together, yeah, building this machine.
1:18:13
SPEAKER_02: Everybody has value, everybody's playing their part.
1:18:18
SPEAKER_02: You you could be on one screw, you're a very special screw because you, as a screw, are holding the rest of us together.
1:18:25
SPEAKER_02: So you you've now you you see your values are so wonderful, you're just gonna remove yourself, basically.
1:18:32
SPEAKER_00: I think when you have build a company based on values, every decision you make is based on those very said values.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:18:39
SPEAKER_00: And I I believe that if you don't make those decisions based on those values, your company will never be the same.
1:18:48
SPEAKER_02: I'm like so.
1:18:49
SPEAKER_02: We are whomever we are doing whatever it is, we're somewhat the voice to the voiceless, voiceless.
1:18:58
SPEAKER_02: There's so many people who rely on us.
1:19:02
SPEAKER_02: We have a responsibility, you know?
1:19:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's it, it's in whatever it is you're doing, it's not just me with my cameras promoting everybody.
1:19:11
SPEAKER_02: You're taking care of people's heads, yeah.
1:19:14
SPEAKER_02: You're taking care of people's crowns.
1:19:16
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:19:16
SPEAKER_02: Where's the most powerful information that everybody needs?
1:19:20
SPEAKER_02: Is it's coming from, is here.
1:19:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I know you have an important job.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_02: This is what I'm saying, so it's not even just you, it's all the aforementioned people as well, and I feel like they've missed that part, right?
1:19:32
SPEAKER_00: No, I hear I hear you, I hear you.
1:19:35
SPEAKER_00: And every day, sometimes I don't even realise the impact I actually do have on mothers, on children, on like family members.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't realize our future.
1:19:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're playing a big part in our future.
1:19:50
SPEAKER_02: When we we all permanently go to sleep, the little people and all the rest of them are coming up behind us deeply need what you're doing right now.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_02: That's the responsibility, that's the weight everybody needs to actually wake up to.
1:20:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's serious things right here, so that's what I'm like.
1:20:07
SPEAKER_00: I just got two sets of flowers this week and a card with um a handwritten drawing in there.
1:20:14
SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_00: That's the stuff, those are the things that touch me, like and keep me going.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:20:20
SPEAKER_00: Through like building the building phase, because the building phase we're building, the building phase ain't easy, but it's build, it's literally building me up, you know.
1:20:30
SPEAKER_00: So I do appreciate that.
1:20:31
SPEAKER_00: And it's like I said, I don't take it lightly, and it's an actual pleasure.
1:20:35
SPEAKER_00: And so it I love to see when you know people are impacted.
1:20:39
SPEAKER_00: I've never seen my hair like this before.
1:20:41
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean it's your hair goes from your head?
1:20:44
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:20:44
SPEAKER_00: But the gift that I'm sharing, like that has been given to me, is something that I I used to take for granted, and I realize it's not it's not for me.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_00: I have to share it.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_00: This is it, you have service.
1:20:57
SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_02: Do you have any last impressions, thoughts that you would like to share with the people?
1:21:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh, I just um want to say your hair is beautiful.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_00: If you don't believe it is, come over to the Healthy Hair Care Club where I can show you exactly how it is.
1:21:15
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank you for having me on.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_02: That's welcome.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, and if anyone wants to get in touch with me, they can go to curlybynature.com or follow me on my socials, curly.by nature or Clarissa MC.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm improving on my visibility on Instagram.
1:21:32
SPEAKER_00: So I'll be showing up a lot more there.
1:21:34
SPEAKER_00: So you can DM me.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_00: Love that.
1:21:36
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
1:21:37
SPEAKER_02: It's my pleasure.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_02: Appreciate you, man.
1:21:39
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you, and God bless you, and thank you so much for this platform for us to be able to share, to connect, to give.
1:21:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a blessing.
1:21:51
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, and it's a pleasure for me as well.
1:21:54
SPEAKER_02: Because, yeah, everyone is awesome, and yeah, this this makes my work so much easier, and I love it because you you're brilliant.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_02: I appreciate you, you too, and thank you.
1:22:09
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, and yeah, another wonderful episode, powerful episode, and yeah, please reach out to Clarissa, she can help us with our hair.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's our crown, it's our beauty.
1:22:23
SPEAKER_02: We are blessed, especially us to have the most diverse, wonderful hair in the world.
1:22:30
SPEAKER_02: We can do all the things, we can do everything with our hair.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's just the best.
1:22:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, we can do everything, anything that it can be done with hair, we can do it.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_02: Imagine that, and I feel like we need to remember that in terms of the blessing, everything that everyone else can do with their hair, we can do, and more.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_02: It's amazing, and we need to remember that.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not gonna go off on a rant and a tangent, so I'm gonna leave it there.
1:22:59
SPEAKER_02: So get in touch with me, talk to me in the usual place in the comments on the socials, talk to Clarissa also, and like this episode, share with other people you know who will benefit from this.
1:23:15
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