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Episode 46 - Endurance, Pain, and Purpose: Talking Athletic Performance with Ollie Russell · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Mindsets
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  Podcast. Today I'm joined by a man called
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  Ollie, who I'm going to hand over to in a moment to do his
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  own introduction. But first and foremost, I'm
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  still your host, Angus Cook, and we've been here for over 45
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  episodes now. I believe this is the 46th and
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  we're just telling another interesting story.
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  So, so I don't ramble on Ollie, please take the microwave from
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  me and introduce yourself. So my name is Olly Russell.
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  I am a personal trainer currently coaching a lot of
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  people in the higher up space, quite a few people doing like
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  Iron Man's ultras. And yeah, that kind of space
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  with all the fitness racing came from a bit more of a CrossFit
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  background. So I think the word is hybrid,
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  which everyone's saying at the minute, but I call it adult PA.
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  Adult Pai think is the right way I'm looking at, and for those
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  that are listening to this, Ollie is actually wearing an
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  Iron Man hat. So we will end up talking about
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  that I'm sure at some point. But that also ties into the
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  YouTube being a place to go and watch things.
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  The first thing that we do on this podcast is we don't
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  actually go into the depths of Ollie's career or anything like
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  that. We like to do show and tell.
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  So for those guys that aren't watching, don't worry, I'll do
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  an audio description. But Ollie has brought something
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  along and I genuinely have no idea what it is.
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  It's been hidden from me the entire time and he's going to
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  show it to us and hopefully it gives us a bit of an insight
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  into maybe what he's been up to and a bit about his personality.
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  Yeah, OK. It's definitely a bit about my
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  personality, so. Oh wow.
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  My budgie smugglers along which this is my logo OK.
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  OK, yeah, enjoy the journey. Enjoy the journey Russell
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  Russell performers training. It sounds a bit cheesy and stuff
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  like that, but, and there's a picture of my dad who is like a
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  massive role model, hero of whatever you want to call it.
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  And it was when him and my mum went on their first holiday.
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  And he, he came from like a rugby background, which I'm sure
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  we'll talk about with, with myself playing rugby.
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  And there's a picture of him standing on the beach in a pair
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  of budgie smugglers tensing, obviously my mum taking the
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  camera and taking the picture of him and he's, he's in good nick.
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  But I then later on was like, oh, I want to try and like do
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  the same kind of picture and like at the same kind of age.
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  And then just ever since doing that, there's a is on my social
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  media somewhere. I'll probably try and send it to
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  you where it's like me and my dad side to side.
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  I think he was 25 in it and I was 23 and the one I took and
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  I'm I'm, I'm in Greece and he was in Greece and yeah, just put
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  a picture of a side by side. And then just ever since then,
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  I've just enjoyed wearing budgie smugglers.
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  I mean, it's quite a bold statement.
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  A couple of episodes back we had Harry, who also is a big fan of
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  budgie smugglers. Ah, good man are.
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  You wearing those in the in the British waters at any point or
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  are you just saving them for like warm holidays?
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  This is for anywhere I go where I do quite a bit of swimming as
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  well, obviously with like all the Iron Man stuff.
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  So if it's open water swimming and it's like during winter
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  time, I'm I'm wearing a wet suit, but these are underneath.
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  But yeah, when I'm doing like my interval sessions over at the
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  local pool, I'm wearing these and usually people start going
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  into the other lane. So it's quite good because I get
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  the lane all to myself then and they're like, this guy's a bit
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  weird. So we'll we'll give him some
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  space. They.
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  Kind of read the thing on the back where it says enjoy the
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  journey. Otherwise they'd just.
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  Be right behind that. That's it.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're, they're they honestly
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  see it. And I see the lifeguards looking
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  down like this guy again. Please go away.
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  Go away. But yeah, I keep showing up so.
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  Well, in in that you hinted your dad and the kind of rugby thing.
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  Let's then jump back to where kind of sport started for you.
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  So as far as I'm aware, from what you have told me before we
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  started reporting this, you were playing rugby from a young age,
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  kind of inspired by your dad, but also you weren't just doing
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  rugby, were you? No, no.
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  So from literally from God knows what age into every single sport
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  I was going through school, I wasn't really the academic type,
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  struggled with like I never really got diagnosed I don't
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  think with dyslexia, but I definitely was.
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  I had like readers in my exams and all all that kind of stuff,
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  but just loved sport. So sport from basketball, rugby,
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  athletics, cricket, I just would do absolutely everything back at
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  school. But the ones that I started to
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  kind of like as you get a bit older, you have to kind of start
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  to pick which one you want to go down if you want to be an
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  athlete. So you can try and like kind of
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  specialized into it. So athletics and rugby, as I
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  went through like school into your like year 10, year 11,
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  those were the two that I was doing and quite a lot of with
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  athletics, it was multi eventing.
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  So I wasn't always the best at like 1 event.
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  I was just OK at doing all of them and would always finish
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  kind of like in the top three, top five S multi eventing became
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  quite, quite a big, big thing I would train for.
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  So pentathlon when you were under under fifteens, that's
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  where I went to English schools came.
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  I think it was fifth at English schools where you do shop put
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  high jump, long jump, 80 meter hurdles and 800 meter.
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  So you can obviously see like this quite a wide range of
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  things, which I think ended up benefiting me now doing all this
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  high rocks CrossFit and like hybrid that you know, training
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  for so many different modalities at a young age, like you've got
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  to be strong, but then you've also also got to be fit with
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  like the 800 meters. Then it kind of helped me like
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  later on and then also just helped massively with all the
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  rugby as well. So those two kind of worked
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  quite nicely together. I.
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  Think one of the things that's quite interesting I spoke to had
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  toughly previously, Lauren who came on and one thing that she's
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  found really difficult with her career as a sport is a bit like
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  what you said. She hasn't specialized because
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  there isn't one that she loves the most, but there isn't one
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  that she's clearly the best at, which is cool because she's
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  really good at all of them. But as a result, she kind of
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  feels like she's not that good at all of them at the same time,
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  which is kind of this flip thing.
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  But there's also some there's like that barrier of
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  dissatisfaction, but there's also like no excellence in in
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  some way. Is that something that also
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  helps you push towards rugby where you could just be really
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  good at it? Yeah, I think so.
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  But you, you obviously go into competition because you want to
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  win it. And definitely my mindset
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  between what winning is to me has definitely changed.
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  But at a young age you, you want to win.
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  So taking fifth Placer English schools in the athletics, I'm a
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  bit like, oh, well, I wanted to win it obviously.
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  But then I kind of looked at it and I go, oh, if you kind of
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  look at me doing rugby and all these other sports and the guys
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  who maybe beat me in that, they went all down into that specific
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  sport. So I kind of went if somebody,
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  if there was an event anywhere where you'd have to play
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  basketball, rugby, athletics, cricket, like all these
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  different sports, I'm not the best at one of them, but I
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  reckon I'm up there with being like quite good at doing all of
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  them. But I think, yeah, how are you
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  meant to even like measure that? So I just enjoy doing all of
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  them just because I like all the different skills and I kind of
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  like the different communities in it because rugby is very
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  different to athletics. Athletics, it's an individual
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  sport. Rugby, you've got the team
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  sports stuff. So I've got the best of both
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  worlds of like in athletics, it's all on you.
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  So it's quite nice to go if somebody doesn't like you and
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  you can't complain at being political because I think in
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  rugby, like we were chatting earlier, things can maybe get a
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  bit like, oh you're a good rugby player, but I don't actually
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  like you. I prefer I'll pick the other
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  person. He can maybe get a bit political
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  like that. With athletics, you either run
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  faster than someone or you don't.
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  Exactly. With like this new high rocks
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  event, you either run better than someone or you don't so.
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  It's pretty black and white in terms of the rules.
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  Exactly, Yeah. So I'm sure we'll probably go
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  into it a bit more with the rugby side of things.
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  But I think just due to my dad being a massive rugby player, I
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  enjoyed like the physicality of it and I could really unleash
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  like a lot of I was an angry child, but I could release all
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  this kind of energy that we do get pent up.
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  Yeah, yeah. And if we're being real, a lot
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  of school PE classes aren't going to give you the right
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  environment to actually let that out, whereas a competitive rugby
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  game might do. It massively, yeah.
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  I just remember after every rugby game, like if I played,
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  played good or played bad, I I just knew I was like I came down
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  a level and I could actually calm, calm down, chill out.
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  I was in kind of like itchy or you know, I don't know what the
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  word I want to use is, but I didn't have this kind of like
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  feeling of, oh, I've not done anything.
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  I feel like I've really pushed myself and had had a good kind
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  of like that team bonding with your mates.
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  You. I used to kind of go as deep as
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  you've kind of felt like you're at war with your pals and you
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  would go into the trenches and like some of my dad was my coach
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  and like some of the pregame speeches are like legendary,
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  some of the ones that I still remember to this day.
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  And some of the lads would be like, that was like the best
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  speech I've ever listened to. And we're like 12 year olds or
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  like 12:15. And some of the things like
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  that, it'd say to us, I'm like you, the other parents don't
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  want to know this the. Thing is though, I find quite
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  interesting when I was a very similar age in doing team sports
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  of all sorts, like I was with someone that loved a bit of a
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  speech to get me going and there were some people that I would be
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  in the team with that would just find it hilarious.
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  They just didn't really get it. And it kind of it showed the
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  cloth and where it had been cut in terms of if you're actually
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  someone that gave enough of a crap to like put the effort in
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  and that would actually impact how you felt about it.
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  Or you have someone here who just doesn't get it because
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  they're here for a bit of a laugh, a bit fun with their
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  mates. And I will be honest here and
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  say that the 10 people that I can must have been around 10 in
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  the team that I could see would lock in on a speech like that
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  are the ones that went on and have either done something else
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  serious in sport or have gone into like Academy rugby through
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  to the the actual league. Now you went on yourself onto
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  Academy as well, which kind of backed up.
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  You're the 11th person that I can say the same thing.
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  But you you end up going to Leicester.
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  Is that right? Yeah, so I actually originally
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  was over at Worcester Warriors and I think just due to them
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  being like the closest club and it's just it is a tough gig.
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  So like if coaches like you, they like you.
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  If they don't, they don't. And I think just the way I
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  played, I was very much if I was in my own 22, which for maybe
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  people who don't know rugby terms, you're literally on your
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  own try line. You should probably Kick It Out
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  so you can give your team a bit of a briefer.
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  I'd be the one running it. I just want to be like, well,
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  there's an opportunity like I'd always want to run it and just
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  have the ball in my hand and just get playing.
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  And that was not really the way they wanted to play.
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  So they just went with another another fly off or centre.
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  I used to play, they just went with someone else and it my
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  whole world came crashing down because I thought I want to be a
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  professional rugby player. I've just, you know, fell at the
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  first hurdle. What am I going to do?
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  And I think when you play like Academy level, they, they record
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  a lot of the games. And then they were quite good
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  with it because they then gave us like all the videos and the
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  analysis of everything. So then what my dad did, like
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  any caring dad is like, right, well, let's try and get you to
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  another club. So we just started bumping out
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  all my rugby videos to lots of different clubs and Leicester,
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  quite a few clubs came back and said, yeah, well, at least give
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  him like a trial. So my first experience was then
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  to like Leicester was my who I supported the most and it was
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  the first game I ever went to and I remember it very clearly.
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  Tom Barndale scored an incredible try on the wing and
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  it was like the length of the pitch.
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  So then I was like, right, Leicester at the club that I
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  want to be with eventually. So I was like, yeah, go on then.
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  And I thought we went, we went up to a place called Bishop
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  Burton. So with a lot of these
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  academies, they have like attachments to schools where you
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  can go do like pre season training and stuff like that.
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  So they invited us on. I think it was a week's worth of
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  training at Bishop Burton, which I think is near Hull.
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  It's a long time ago now and just went up there, had a great
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  time with all these lads and really liked what everyone was
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  about and just played well and trained hard and they just kept
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  us on. And you know, before, you know,
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  it kind of was playing through through the the system before
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  you kind of sign an Academy contract.
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  I had like mid Midlands trials as well, which unfortunately I
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  didn't get into the Midlands team, which was, you know, just
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  again, I kind of look at it and go, it's just someone's opinion
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  of how I play. I don't look at it as they're a
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  better player because I always had quite quite positive
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  thoughts on myself. I was quite internally
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  determined. I was like, yeah, I can, I can
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  do this. I still know I'm like, I can, I
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  can be be with all these lads who are like also good rugby
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  players. So ended up Leicester Tigers,
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  gave us the Academy contract, moved over to Leicester and
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  yeah, had two years over there and yeah, it was good, it was
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  good fun and just being in that professional environment was
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  absolutely class. I think it's, it's kind of that
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  dream for a lot of people that play sport when they're younger
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  to actually understand that they being, you know, it's this now
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  their life, their sport is their life, which is really cool.
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  But then all of a sudden there's the flip side when it becomes
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  reality, which is a discussion in itself, which is it is now
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  your life. So all of a sudden an injury is
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  not a good thing to have. It's, it's not just an annoying
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  thing. It's absolutely not a good thing
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  to have because it's, you know, it's like your career now, but
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  also other things that happen in your personal life start to play
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  an impact in your career. Where as it used to be, it might
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  just mean you have a bad game, which doesn't mean that much,
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  you know, short term. But long term, if it's your
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  career that can actually have a bit of an impact if you stack a
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  couple bad games and it can all stem from somewhere totally,
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  totally different. So how was your progression and
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  and what happened with Leicester and why aren't you still there?
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  So when I moved over to Leicester and did the first pre
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  season I just was thinking this is the rest of my life.
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  Like everything sorted and I was just ready for it.
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  So ready. But within a month of going over
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  to Leicester we had a really good, like, good summer that
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  that year as well. So like in conditioning games
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  and stuff like lads are literally having to go dump
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  their heads into ice buckets and things like that.
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  And I've always thought I want to push myself.
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  I just enjoyed the environment. Everyone was suffering together.
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  It was absolutely brilliant. And you know, we were the young
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  lads coming in and even like the older boys, you kind of felt
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  like you were earning your respect by pushing yourself so
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  hard. And then they go, he's a good
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  bloke kind of thing. But within a month of starting
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  over at Leicester, I've never experienced like a family member
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  passing away. My granddad had a stroke, died
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  and it was like he'd literally lived next door to us and where,
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  where our house is. And it was quite, quite a hit to
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  the face. You know, people die.
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  It's, it's a thing obviously. And he, he was old.
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  Something was going to happen eventually.
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  But you're like, oh God, OK. Yeah, that's a a big part of
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  your family just gone like that within a month.
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  Within another month my mum got diagnosed with breast cancer,
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  which you wouldn't wish of anyone, but you also think you
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  hear about it and other families going through kind of hardships
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  and people getting cancer and stuff like that.
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  Never, ever would have thought my own family would have to deal
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  with it. So then when that happened, that
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  was a bit of a hit to to the teeth and how we dealt with it
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  was I was over in Leicester. So I was playing rugby, but I
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  didn't actually get to see my mum not deteriorating, but like
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  going through chemotherapy, like week in, week out.
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  My older brother was at university and it was my
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  youngest brother who had to like experience like my mum losing
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  her hair, like losing her breast.
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  And it was just, it was just awful.
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  But I was kind of playing rugby. So I kind of look at it now and
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  I go, I wish I was there, but my mum was like, no, you were doing
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  your thing. So then all that kind of stuff.
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  I think I don't think it affected me because I'm quite,
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  like I said, like internally determined.
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  But I think it did affect me just without me realizing, which
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  is such a strange thing because at the moment I was just doing
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  what I love, playing rugby. But then you'd come back and
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  reality would hit you and you're like, oh, my mom's lost her
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  hair, she's lost her breast. I remember one time at the
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  dinner table, she just lost consciousness.
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  And it's like, fuck, I run into the phone to call an ambulance.
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  I'm like, I was like, is she dying?
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  Is something happening? I didn't have a clue.
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  So that was quite tough watching, watching your mom go
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  through that. And and then unfortunately, a
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  year later, my dad then got diagnosed with bowel and liver
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  cancer. So I don't know the technical
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  terms if there is one, but I just knew he had it in his bowel
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  and liver. But to go back to my mom, how we
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  got told that my mom had cancer, was with my dad, got us all into
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  a huddle and very rugby minded of him.
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  He was always trying to make light hearted out of like any
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  situation. So we're all set in the living
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  room, got us all in a huddle and he just said, you know, your
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  mum's got breast cancer. And straight away was like, this
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  is how we're going to handle it as a family.
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  You know, we're going to get through all of this and then
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  he'd start not not making like bad jokes, but making kind of
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  like the light hearted jokes. Like she's going to have to take
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  some form of steroids. So she's going to be able to
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  beat the shit out of all of us. So don't piss her off.
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  It's just to try and I, I, I completely get that.
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  And that's what I've definitely done myself.
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  Because you, like, it's a serious situation, but at the
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  same time, and I don't know if it's a British thing, but that
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  humor needs to be brought into kind of, it doesn't necessarily
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  lift the mood because you can't really lift the mood, but it
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  almost distracts from the severity of the situation in a
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  way that you also know you're all on the same playing field in
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  terms of making jokes and communicating, I guess.
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  Yeah, I think it just like we were quite young at the time.
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  So he was just trying to not make it so morbid and he was
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  just trying to say, yes, we've got to understand that this is a
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  life threatening illness. But you know, she's still here.
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  Yeah. Like we can still go have fun.
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  We can do all these things. And when I knew like my dad was
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  just such a gentleman and such a good bloke, which I can't wait
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  to actually go into and talk about was we're all like, he'd
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  not been diagnosed just yet. So we're maybe about six months
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  into this. Mom's massively like into a
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  chemo treatment and just all the other stuff.
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  She's it's like they're going through like 15 rounds of boxing
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  every day and it, it's hard to see, but what comes out is like
• 19:17
  her character, she's just so strong minded.
• 19:20
  Never complained. She just everyday got up and she
• 19:23
  was like, right what we doing and we were going out for dinner
• 19:27
  and she's now she got herself a wig and got herself all dressed
• 19:31
  up and she looked lovely. And I remember she was upstairs
• 19:34
  getting ready. My dad again called us into a
• 19:37
  huddle and I try not to choke up on this because it's a, it's a,
• 19:40
  it's a lovely thing that he did. He basically said when your mum
• 19:45
  comes downstairs, just go up to her individually.
• 19:49
  Don't try and make it like I've told you something and just say
• 19:52
  how beautiful she looks. Right then I was like you, That
• 19:56
  is brilliant. And I, it was just like, that's,
• 19:58
  that's a gentleman. That's what, how we should be.
• 20:00
  That's how we should act. With everyone, you know, even if
• 20:03
  you, you kind of just make someone's day by just saying
• 20:06
  something positive and you don't know, like holding the door open
• 20:09
  for someone. And that from that kind of
• 20:11
  moment, that's when I kind of started being less selfish in my
• 20:16
  sporting pursuit and started to understand like the bigger
• 20:19
  picture of, oh, it's not just me, it's everyone else around me
• 20:23
  that has also got me to where I want to be.
• 20:25
  So my mindset shifted massively from that moment and then
• 20:30
  unfortunately, you know, my dad then gets diagnosed with cancer
• 20:34
  and I'm still over at Leicester playing rugby and you're just
• 20:37
  thinking, how can this like possibly be you?
• 20:40
  Like you take one blow, you take another, then you take another
• 20:43
  and you're like all at the same time when I'm trying to pursue
• 20:46
  this professional sporting career.
• 20:49
  But that's then going back to now a look at it and go, well,
• 20:53
  stop playing victim. Like stop being that person.
• 20:57
  Flip it on its head and go. I'm going to learn so much from
• 21:00
  this. Big time.
• 21:01
  I, I think news like that and we actually discussed before and I
• 21:05
  don't actually know if I've mentioned it on the podcast
• 21:06
  because there's not really an opportunity.
• 21:08
  But in the last year, my father got diagnosed with cancer and
• 21:13
  it's, it's he is terminal, but we were given a life expectancy,
• 21:17
  which great news he has surpassed.
• 21:20
  But it's a bit of a weird feeling because I think when you
• 21:23
  hear the diagnosis, you automatically think in a morbid
• 21:26
  sense, you know, that's it. And it's very natural.
• 21:29
  And it sounds like your, your dad did a great job of, of
• 21:31
  handling that sort of situation. It's like that is the scenario
• 21:34
  that we're currently dealing with, but we don't know what it
• 21:36
  means. And we can still have a good
• 21:37
  time now, which is the approach that I guess I try, I have tried
• 21:40
  to take and will continue to try and take with my dad, especially
• 21:44
  hearing from you that it was a good thing, a good approach and
• 21:46
  a good way to reinforce it. But it is a very, very difficult
• 21:49
  situation. And I think one of the hard
• 21:51
  things is at the time that you hear about the diagnosis, it's
• 21:54
  not at its worst, obviously. And so it's knowing that
• 21:57
  something's coming and kind of having to prepare for that is
• 22:01
  one of the hardest things that you have to deal with.
• 22:04
  So yeah, I think from a mental perspective, if I look back over
• 22:07
  this last year, I feel like I dealt with that quite well when
• 22:10
  it was there because I was fairly black and white with, OK,
• 22:12
  this is something that happens, but in reality, it has
• 22:17
  definitely taken its toll in the background of my mind.
• 22:21
  And I think you're right in that I haven't tried to play victim
• 22:24
  in this sense in previous news and previous things that have
• 22:26
  been with my family, I've definitely played up to being
• 22:28
  the victim. But again, I've learned so much
• 22:31
  from those situations and all the changes that it has
• 22:34
  happened, it has caused in my life, having the have ended up
• 22:37
  being positive changes because it has shaped me as a person and
• 22:41
  has maybe actually make me act on something I should have acted
• 22:46
  on sooner. Because it's like, well, life
• 22:48
  isn't, you know, it's not endless.
• 22:50
  Yeah, some other time. So also taking certain
• 22:54
  situations and big changes in my life in a new light and not
• 22:56
  looking your instrument so negatively because you don't
• 22:59
  have that long. Yeah, 100%. 100% So when when
• 23:03
  rugby kind of came to a close out for you, what was that
• 23:07
  situation and where did you I think go from there?
• 23:10
  So about halfway through when all this was actually going on,
• 23:12
  so I signed A2 year Academy contract.
• 23:15
  I think once my dad got diagnosed then that was just
• 23:20
  kind of like the nail in the coffin.
• 23:22
  I was losing sight of what I wanted, didn't really know who I
• 23:28
  was in terms of where I wanted to take my life and I just
• 23:35
  didn't really have the mindset to stick to the rugby.
• 23:38
  Lost my passion, the person who supported me the most like my
• 23:42
  mum and my dad are now going through this illness and I just
• 23:46
  thought maybe I'm in the wrong thing.
• 23:49
  And so I kind of just started thinking it wasn't.
• 23:55
  I would push myself in training sessions because I really
• 23:57
  enjoyed it. But then I really started
• 23:59
  pushing myself in training sessions as a way of now that I
• 24:03
  realize was self harm, I would then try and do things to
• 24:08
  basically put myself into a hospital bed.
• 24:10
  I would pass out in most training sessions.
• 24:15
  I would go, I would I would get upset at the end.
• 24:17
  If I knew I could have pushed a little bit harder, I would have
• 24:20
  gone. You've not got it.
• 24:22
  Do you like it was it got bad? And then I started thinking, how
• 24:27
  do I earn respect? Like, I don't know why I started
• 24:30
  thinking like this. But then I started thinking
• 24:32
  about the military route. So I just thought, what's the
• 24:34
  hardest thing I can go for? And my godfather's friend was
• 24:41
  served in the Royal Marines. And I thought, well, got
• 24:43
  chatting to him and he, he said, Yep, it's, you know, brutal.
• 24:47
  The training it's, you know, one of the hardest kind of courses
• 24:50
  you can go onto and from like that infantry level I think they
• 24:54
  call it. So then I just thought
• 24:55
  instantly, I've never ever once thought about the military.
• 24:58
  Never once. It was all sport or rugby.
• 25:01
  And then I just thought, right, that's how I how I learn respect
• 25:03
  and that's how I can beat myself up.
• 25:05
  But when I was doing it at the time, I was like, this is this
• 25:09
  is going to make people proud of me.
• 25:11
  So then I started going through like the the process of went to
• 25:14
  the careers office and you go through do different courses,
• 25:19
  like cognitive ones and just about past them, which is
• 25:23
  absolutely tragic, but just about got in the skin in my
• 25:26
  teeth. And then you have your final
• 25:28
  interview and they kind of go, Yep, cool, you're fit for it.
• 25:31
  When do you want to go? And I was like as soon as
• 25:34
  possible. So I think within like I think
• 25:36
  about four, six weeks. I was then over at Limston train
• 25:40
  station in suit and tie with all my bags, kind of like ready to
• 25:46
  just get stuck into training. Before you do that actually,
• 25:49
  you've got to do a PRMC course which is like 3 days of just
• 25:52
  getting beaten up, which I loved.
• 25:55
  It was absolutely class and that's what I thought it was
• 25:58
  going to go and be. But what I didn't think was
• 26:02
  going to be the issue became a massive issue was like keep on
• 26:07
  top of admin and like lack of sleep and all these kind of
• 26:12
  things that you you can't really prepare yourself for.
• 26:15
  And I wasn't very good at confrontation at that moment.
• 26:21
  So if I got shouted at, I didn't deal with it very well.
• 26:25
  So I was kind of going into it very blind, but it also taught
• 26:28
  me such a massive lesson. So I ended up being, Long story
• 26:32
  short, ended up being in there for, I think it was five to six
• 26:36
  weeks total, which is nothing compared to like the 32 weeks
• 26:40
  that you're meant to go and do. Which I've got some mates who
• 26:43
  have gone in and served incredible careers in the in the
• 26:46
  Marines and the good lads. And we talk about this all the
• 26:49
  time. And I kind of thought, listen
• 26:52
  for me, like my knee started to kind of give me a bit of an
• 26:55
  injury. I used it as a get out, complete
• 26:58
  get out. And I'm very confident in saying
• 27:02
  that. Now.
• 27:02
  If you ask me back then I would have said, yeah, I got injured
• 27:07
  and I got medically discharged. But now I can say no, I push
• 27:11
  that big time because I wasn't man enough to go and do it at
• 27:15
  the time, which is very freeing. It's a freeing kind of feeling
• 27:20
  to go no, no, no, it's OK that you weren't the bloke to go and
• 27:25
  complete raw Marines training. I can happily say that because
• 27:28
  now I've gone on and done things and really found my path with
• 27:31
  the fitness industry and really found what I love and just been
• 27:34
  around the community of people that I want to be with.
• 27:37
  But I've got the utmost respect for lads now that who go down
• 27:42
  that path and they literally are, they won't stop at
• 27:46
  anything. Well, the whole purpose of that
• 27:48
  32 week program is not necessarily to whittle out the
• 27:52
  week, but to really, firstly, yeah, there is an element to the
• 27:57
  training and making sure you're ready for what comes next, but
• 28:00
  also to make sure that you understand what you're getting
• 28:03
  in for. And I don't think it's a bad
• 28:04
  thing. I've done it with certain jobs,
• 28:07
  start a job, and I'm just like, this isn't what I thought it was
• 28:09
  going to be. Yeah, I don't want to do this.
• 28:11
  And it it's difficult because before you go into something
• 28:14
  like a new career, which is effectively what that is, you
• 28:17
  kind of have this impression and this ideation of what it's going
• 28:21
  to be and why it's good for you. And I mean, it's very sensible
• 28:24
  to not think why it could be bad for you.
• 28:26
  But you may end up in that situation and you realize
• 28:29
  there's more confrontation than you that you thought there'd be.
• 28:33
  Sleep deprivation is not a nice thing to have, and it's not a
• 28:35
  normal thing to have in a normal 9:00 to 9:00 to 5:00 or normal
• 28:38
  career. So having to understand all of a
• 28:40
  sudden, oh, I don't just have to do this, you know, one week at a
• 28:44
  time. I don't even just have to do it
• 28:46
  for 32 weeks. Realistically, my career looks
• 28:48
  like this is a big thing, especially it's still quite a
• 28:51
  young age. Yeah, I was.
• 28:53
  I was 18 when I went through it. Extremely young to have to deal
• 28:57
  with that sort of life decision. So it's probably best that you
• 29:00
  did make the decision at the time you you did make it.
• 29:02
  And as you said, you've now gone on and stuck to the physical
• 29:06
  side of things, but have gone the way that you enjoy and it
• 29:09
  gives back to you the same way. I was doing all of that for
• 29:13
  complete external validation. Yeah, it sounds like you were
• 29:17
  kind of going. I mean, I wasn't there.
• 29:20
  It sounds like you're almost going to prove that you could
• 29:23
  not because you wanted to necessarily.
• 29:25
  Like I can do the Royal Marines fitness.
• 29:28
  My family will then be proud because, you know, I've, I've
• 29:30
  done the Royal Marines. It's one of the hardest training
• 29:32
  things that you can be put through.
• 29:33
  And I'm then a professionally trained military individual.
• 29:38
  Sounds cool. Yeah.
• 29:38
  Yeah, completely. It only sounds cool if people
• 29:41
  care. And when you're out on the front
• 29:43
  line, no one cares anymore because you're you're another
• 29:46
  individual out on the front line.
• 29:48
  Your family can't text you and be like nice one on on that.
• 29:52
  By the way, it's not the same thing.
• 29:54
  So you would be going down that path for a reason that doesn't
• 29:57
  actually align with the reason path exists in the.
• 29:59
  Yeah, it was self destruct. Yeah.
• 30:02
  I was like, how can I put myself into so much of a hole and like
• 30:07
  just just do everything for external validation and just
• 30:10
  continue going down, beating myself up for something that I I
• 30:14
  didn't really believe in. It was just kind of an idea.
• 30:17
  And I went, OK, this is this will be good because people will
• 30:21
  think I'm hard. That was literally the thing
• 30:23
  that went from my head. And it's like, tell some of the
• 30:26
  lads who who are still in and some lads who who have come out
• 30:29
  and they're like, that is so dumb, that's so stupid.
• 30:33
  And what's interesting is now in the space that you're in, I
• 30:37
  personally have this opinion that the fitness industry is
• 30:40
  broken because there is such a large element of external
• 30:45
  validation in the fitness industry, especially through
• 30:47
  social media, that sort of thing.
• 30:48
  There are quite a lot of people that are quite unhappy, but as a
• 30:52
  result of needing to look happy, will present themselves in that
• 30:55
  way online, which is extremely unhealthy.
• 30:58
  And there's another form of fitness where it's actually the
• 31:03
  opposite. It's not so much external
• 31:04
  validation, it's internal validation.
• 31:05
  And that is where endurance sport comes in and you started
• 31:10
  to discover endurance events and pushing yourself still sometimes
• 31:14
  excessively far, but in a way where you were getting internal
• 31:18
  validation instead. Is that right?
• 31:19
  Completely. So yeah, when all that kind of
• 31:23
  phase happened with, you know, wanting to go into something
• 31:26
  that just wasn't me and I kind of came out of it, I was like,
• 31:31
  what do I actually enjoy? I was like, well, I enjoy
• 31:33
  fitness. So then it was like, OK, why
• 31:35
  don't you just become a personal trainer?
• 31:38
  But before I did the personal trainer, I remember I actually
• 31:40
  came out and I watched a documentary.
• 31:43
  It was the Rich Froning documentary, So four time and
• 31:47
  CrossFit World Champion. And I remember seeing it and I
• 31:50
  just went, I want that. Like I want to be that guy.
• 31:53
  Like he can do everything. He was like Superman and Batman
• 31:56
  combined. So I kind of went to the local
• 31:59
  CrossFit gym and they originally actually said like they couldn't
• 32:03
  take any more members on just because it was such a small gym
• 32:06
  at the time. And they said we've reached
• 32:07
  capacity, sorry. So then that's why I then went
• 32:10
  down to Limston to go do the Royal Marines training.
• 32:13
  When that didn't happen, I went right, I've got to try again and
• 32:16
  they smashed down the wall basically and build, built a
• 32:20
  bigger gym, could take on more members.
• 32:22
  I went and I just went, this is it.
• 32:24
  I'm in such a cool environment here.
• 32:26
  Within a month, I did my first CrossFit competition down on the
• 32:29
  South Coast. Loved it started being around
• 32:32
  the kind of people that I that were actually like 10 years
• 32:35
  older than me. So it was just really fun to
• 32:38
  kind of like pick these people's brains because I also went
• 32:41
  through a bit of a period of once my dad passed from the
• 32:45
  cancer, it was like, oh God, like I was actually going off to
• 32:50
  Ibiza with, with like some friends and just got into the
• 32:55
  drinking culture doing drugs. And I just was like, I thought I
• 33:01
  was having fun and I was for a bit, I kind of just was like
• 33:04
  this fuck it mode. There's a time and a place for
• 33:07
  it, but then I can see how it can spiral so far out of
• 33:11
  control. So I was trying to push like the
• 33:13
  the fitness stuff, but also the party life at the same time.
• 33:16
  So I was really burning the candle at both ends.
• 33:20
  So I ended up still doing the CrossFit competitions, but then
• 33:23
  still going out on the weekend. I was like, OK, I can do this.
• 33:26
  Then I went and worked in a gym and did my PT qualifications
• 33:29
  started now like actually being in the industry that I want to
• 33:33
  be in, love the fitness, all of that kind of stuff.
• 33:35
  Still doing all the partying. And then there was like a
• 33:40
  roadblock as I started building up my hours as APT on the gym
• 33:44
  floor. You're waking up at 5:00 AM,
• 33:47
  first PT at six, finished the morning at 12:00, would go back
• 33:52
  home, sleep for like 2 to three hours midday, go back to the
• 33:55
  gym, do like again, five to six PTS back-to-back, finish it like
• 33:59
  half, eight, 9:00 at night and just rinse and repeat that
• 34:02
  Monday to Saturday. Saturday would be the half day.
• 34:07
  I'd go out, get smashed on the weekend and I just was doing
• 34:09
  that on repeat. Six months of doing that.
• 34:13
  My head is completely spun out of control.
• 34:16
  I was going to bed literally looking at the ceiling like I
• 34:19
  don't want to wake up, like I'm done, I'm done and don't want to
• 34:23
  be here anymore. We didn't go suicide or anything
• 34:26
  like that. I just then had to have a
• 34:28
  conversation with my mum and I was like, I've gone into
• 34:31
  something that I enjoy the fitness industry, I'm going out
• 34:35
  with my mates on the weekend but I can't see any progression.
• 34:40
  I was looking at older PTS who were working God knows how many
• 34:44
  hours on the gym floor and I was like, I don't want that, like I
• 34:48
  don't want that. And that is the thing that I'm
• 34:50
  going towards. Like they're absolutely
• 34:52
  knackered. And I was like, I've got to do
• 34:56
  something. COVID happens, so there's a bit
• 34:58
  of a relief then. So I'm like in this space of is
• 35:04
  this where I kind of try and reinvent myself and left my job
• 35:07
  during COVID, which is probably the worst time to leave any job,
• 35:11
  but also the best time mentally for me because my mom really
• 35:15
  pushed me to stay because she was like, you need experience.
• 35:18
  I know you hate it and I know you're in a really bad place
• 35:21
  mentally, but you need to stay there.
• 35:23
  And we, that was like, we argued so much during that period,
• 35:27
  which was awful because my dad's passed away.
• 35:31
  My mom's now bringing up three kids on her own.
• 35:33
  She's still recovering from cancer herself.
• 35:36
  And I was, I was a prick, like I know I was.
• 35:39
  She would say, like, you know, she would give me reason.
• 35:42
  But I look back at it, I go, no, like what I did was was wrong.
• 35:46
  I was rude to you. We'd shout, we'd argue.
• 35:49
  But then I'm kind of like, it's good that I've had that because
• 35:52
  now with a wiser head I can look back at it and go, that's not
• 35:56
  how you're meant to be. You're meant to be like this.
• 35:58
  But if I wasn't like that originally, would that still
• 36:02
  happen like later on down the line?
• 36:03
  So I'm like, oh, I'm glad that's happened and I've had all these
• 36:06
  cock UPS because I've learnt so much from it.
• 36:08
  That's. Exactly it yeah, you get it's
• 36:11
  learning from those mistakes where anyone that's gone through
• 36:13
  anything will always be like, I'm kind of glad that it did
• 36:15
  happen. Yeah, but I would never wish it
• 36:17
  on anyone else. No.
• 36:18
  Yeah. So with endurance events, as you
• 36:22
  started to discover what you wanted to do with yourself in
• 36:27
  terms of kind of not rebranding yourself, but.
• 36:30
  It kind of is, yeah. Almost it is Where did the idea
• 36:34
  of kind of doing some rogue things come from and what did
• 36:37
  you end up getting into? So yeah, great question with
• 36:42
  once. I then basically reinvented
• 36:44
  myself, left my PT job was like, I still want to be in the
• 36:48
  coaching industry. How do I start making money?
• 36:50
  Set up Russell Performance Training, which I just wanted
• 36:53
  something with my family name on.
• 36:55
  Some people say, yeah, you should put your name on it
• 36:56
  because it kind of is a bit of ego then.
• 36:59
  But I wanted something that represented my family because I
• 37:01
  was like, this is what it means to me.
• 37:03
  And that's why I've got these budgie smugglers.
• 37:05
  So started coaching over at the CrossFit Soleil gym that I
• 37:10
  trained out of Paul Witham, who's an absolute legend.
• 37:13
  I've learned so much from coaching wise, knowledge wise
• 37:16
  and life as well. He's been through quite a lot of
• 37:20
  a lot of hardship himself. So he's kind of like almost
• 37:24
  reinvented himself. And we just have some great
• 37:26
  conversations and start coaching out of the CrossFit gym.
• 37:30
  Was doing CrossFit competitions, absolutely loving it.
• 37:32
  And then there's a time when you go, I want to do something else
• 37:36
  or maybe push. And I love the variety of
• 37:38
  CrossFit high rocks. Then came about, they came to
• 37:42
  our gym and they ran like the high rocks PFT out of there.
• 37:45
  And I saw what the workout was and I was like, I think I could
• 37:49
  do right at this. Cause any kind of grunt workout
• 37:52
  I was like, I usually would win in in any kind of competition.
• 37:56
  So when it was like running and burpees and all this kind of
• 38:00
  stuff, they came to our gym, they had all their banners up
• 38:03
  and we kind of just asked, I think Paul asked like, what's a,
• 38:05
  what's a good time? Like, you know, and they're
• 38:08
  like, oh, if you get, if somebody goes under like 18
• 38:10
  minutes, like, you know, that's like elite level.
• 38:13
  But no one's going to do that here because we had to add 200
• 38:15
  meters onto our run because I think the run was 1000 meters,
• 38:20
  but we ended up doing 1200 because it's just our, our run
• 38:23
  loop. We didn't have like in 1000m
• 38:25
  Mark. I'm sure we could have created
• 38:26
  one, but it's just easier to do that.
• 38:29
  So I've come in from the first run, always enjoyed kind of like
• 38:32
  the running side of things. And when I was back at
• 38:35
  Leicester, I, I would usually win like the fitness tests that
• 38:39
  we do, like Broncos and all of that.
• 38:41
  The, the dreaded Broncos and came in and I just keep taking
• 38:46
  more and more chunks out of this.
• 38:48
  And then they were looking at the time and going to pool.
• 38:50
  They were like, Jesus Christ, like he's, he's going to go
• 38:53
  under 18 minutes. And I can't remember the exact
• 38:56
  time in the end, but I went under 18 minutes and they just
• 38:59
  said you need to sign up to the the Men's Pro in Birmingham.
• 39:02
  So it was maybe six weeks later. We didn't really know how to
• 39:06
  train for it. It's a new event and not many
• 39:09
  people knew about it. Most people were still calling
• 39:11
  it Hydrox. I think.
• 39:13
  I think my phone still autocorrects that or it put it
• 39:15
  in all caps for some reason. So yeah, Hydrox was the event.
• 39:20
  So it was the first Birmingham 1 and, you know, just going to the
• 39:23
  Birmingham one last weekend, I think they said something like,
• 39:27
  was it 1500, P 15,015 thousand? Sorry.
• 39:32
  The one I went to was 6 to 801 one day.
• 39:36
  And we heard through like, I don't know, whispers that there
• 39:42
  was a final and it was in Vegas and if you won this, you'd go to
• 39:46
  Vegas. We were all just joking around
• 39:48
  and stuff like that. You went off in your wave and I
• 39:51
  went out like an absolute shotgun, which I did in most
• 39:55
  workouts in CrossFit as well. I was just notoriously known for
• 39:58
  just going out hard and just hanging on for dear life.
• 40:01
  Now, I know pacing very well because I know my body.
• 40:04
  I know my numbers on pretty much every exercise out there and
• 40:07
  what I can hold. And so pacing became a lot
• 40:10
  better. But for this IROX it really
• 40:12
  wasn't. I was running into the sled
• 40:15
  Bush. I had two guys in front of me.
• 40:16
  I just sprinted with one lamp. I thought, I'm just going to get
• 40:19
  past them, not realizing there's four lamps to go through.
• 40:22
  And somebody had it on camera actually, because the camera guy
• 40:26
  came over to me. He said, Oh my God, look at this
• 40:28
  guy. He's like just overtaken these
• 40:30
  two blokes who are in the lead. And then the Marshall came out.
• 40:33
  He was like, mate, you're absolutely smashing it.
• 40:35
  You got three more lamps. I went fucking what?
• 40:37
  I was like, what? And then all my friends who were
• 40:41
  watching, they were like, oh, he's completely fucked it
• 40:44
  because they could hear me like kind of say I've just fucked it.
• 40:48
  But then your instincts kick in and it's like survival mode.
• 40:53
  You kind of, you get back on the push, then it's the pull.
• 40:56
  And I kind of love that I thrive in just like I am like just
• 41:01
  dogging this out. There's no technique to
• 41:04
  anything, no pacing. Now it's just survival mode.
• 41:07
  And as I was running around, one of the old boys from the gym, a
• 41:10
  guy called John O'Grady, who kind of look as a bit, a bit of
• 41:14
  a mentor. He's a, he's a lovely guy.
• 41:17
  And as I was running around, I'm in all kinds of pain, quads both
• 41:22
  cramping up. And he just said you've been
• 41:25
  here before. And I just completely flipped
• 41:28
  the switch. My hairs on my arm were standing
• 41:31
  up because I kind of felt like my dad was watching.
• 41:34
  I got emotional. Like emotion is great, I think
• 41:37
  when you're racing and that. And I just took off and they
• 41:41
  ended up winning my age group. And yes, it killed a place in
• 41:44
  Las Vegas, which was absolutely crazy.
• 41:47
  Imagine that was pretty mental. Is that also a moment where,
• 41:50
  because you could cheat into it, you've now done primal events?
• 41:52
  You can see with that the hat. Is that a place that you find
• 41:55
  you revisit when you're in these events?
• 41:58
  I think if you go searching for it, you're not going to get it.
• 42:00
  You've got to just go into it and whatever happens, happens,
• 42:03
  which I'm sure we'll probably have a bit of a chat about this
• 42:05
  stupid burpee challenge I did. But with that I got like a real
• 42:12
  euphoric experience and it was incredible.
• 42:14
  It felt like I'd been on the rugby pitch again and I had the
• 42:17
  the physicality without the physicality.
• 42:21
  So I had like the emotional like strain, which was incredible.
• 42:26
  That's why I want, that's why I enjoyed doing it.
• 42:28
  And you kind of get like your dad pop onto your shoulder and
• 42:30
  it's like that voice in your head.
• 42:32
  So after that I was like, right, I want to keep pushing the
• 42:36
  endurance stuff. I can't remember what order all
• 42:39
  of this stuff is because I've done some, I've just done things
• 42:42
  just to go and do them just to see what happens.
• 42:44
  I watch some like incredible athletes, like we were talking,
• 42:48
  you know, the David Goggins, the Ross Edgeley, more recently Ross
• 42:51
  Cook running Africa. And I just love seeing these
• 42:54
  guys doing it. And I'd all I'd just go is,
• 42:56
  well, if they can do it, they literally are humans.
• 43:00
  We should all be able to do this kind of thing.
• 43:02
  So I just would start training for I think I started training
• 43:06
  for an Iron Man. I did.
• 43:08
  Then there was a story that came out which a young lad
• 43:12
  unfortunately lost his life. He's, he got, he got beaten to
• 43:16
  death by his parents, which was only like a stone's throw away
• 43:20
  from our gym. And he was a young boy called
• 43:23
  Arthur and Minjo Hughes. And it was, it became a massive
• 43:26
  story. And I just said to the lads, I
• 43:27
  was like, God, we should do something like, let's find if
• 43:30
  there's a charity or something out there.
• 43:33
  And there's the NSPCC, which I don't know exactly what it all
• 43:36
  stands for, but it helps basically, you know, it's a
• 43:39
  young children's line where they can like call just to, you know,
• 43:42
  speak about some stuff and they can get helped with any kind of
• 43:47
  abuse. And it was the only charity.
• 43:49
  So I said, right, let's do something.
• 43:50
  So in CrossFit, there's I think there's, I can't remember how
• 43:55
  many workouts there are, but there's the famous girl wads,
• 43:58
  which all named after like hurricanes.
• 44:00
  So you got Fran, you got Helen Fran's a 2159 of thrusters and
• 44:06
  pull ups. Helen, if I remember rightly,
• 44:09
  it's at the 150 wool balls. Anyway, there's a lot of
• 44:12
  workouts in there. And I said, right, we're going
• 44:14
  to do all of these workouts in 12 hours.
• 44:16
  And it was around Christmas time and we, we did this really fun
• 44:20
  event. We got to the gym crack of dawn
• 44:22
  and just started smashing out all these workouts and we went,
• 44:25
  let's just do like, I think we had to do 2 every hour, but some
• 44:29
  of them are like 50 minutes long.
• 44:31
  So, but some of them are like 5 minutes long.
• 44:33
  So you're trying to like pick and choose when to do different
• 44:36
  ones. And what we did realize is you
• 44:38
  end up accumulating over like 1000 pull ups or something
• 44:41
  ridiculous. So our arms by the end of it,
• 44:45
  you'd literally having to do like 1 pull up at a time and it
• 44:48
  feels like your biceps are about to RIP off.
• 44:50
  So we had like ice buckets outside, dunking, dunking our
• 44:53
  arms in and unfortunately our T-shirts hadn't come through
• 44:58
  through the post, the NSPCC ones.
• 45:00
  And this was around when Kevin Simfield did 7 marathons
• 45:04
  back-to-back for the M&D charity with his his friend Rob Burrow
• 45:08
  who got diagnosed. And I just was like, right, we,
• 45:12
  it would have been nice to do something in the T-shirt.
• 45:14
  So I'm like right, let's do something else.
• 45:16
  So I said to the lads, he was six years old.
• 45:18
  I said let's do a marathon for every year, just back-to-back
• 45:22
  as. In not like 6 marathons without
• 45:25
  stopping, but like a marathon a day.
• 45:27
  Marathon a day for six days because I because I remember
• 45:30
  Kevin Sinfield was doing 7 back-to-back so I went OK, we
• 45:33
  can at least do 6 back-to-back. No one wanted to do it so I was
• 45:37
  understandably I'm going to do this.
• 45:38
  So I announced that I'm going to continue doing this charity
• 45:41
  event. Didn't train for it in very Olly
• 45:44
  fashion, just kind of very naively was like yeah, I can
• 45:48
  bang this out. That is probably the biggest
• 45:53
  learning lesson I've ever had in an athletic kind of thing
• 45:57
  because I was on my own, I was working as well.
• 46:00
  So some of the marathons were early morning or lunchtime.
• 46:03
  Like if I had was able to kind of give myself 4 hour gap and
• 46:07
  then the third one was at midnight, literally started at
• 46:12
  11:00 at night went on and I had my watch basically burn out a
• 46:20
  juice halfway through. So I had to come back.
• 46:22
  I was updating people on Instagram going I'm not not
• 46:26
  doing it like I've come in. I've just got to charge my watch
• 46:28
  for 10 minutes and I'm updating them and my foot has started to
• 46:32
  not be in there very good shape. Doesn't say stopping like
• 46:37
  stopping some people need to take a couple of minutes to
• 46:39
  gather themselves, but more so from a mental perspective.
• 46:42
  But stopping and seizing up because if your watch is going
• 46:44
  to charge so you can do another half each marathon, it's got to
• 46:47
  be what, like 20 minutes? Half an hour for that?
• 46:50
  Yep. So I was literally 20 minutes.
• 46:53
  It's about 30 minutes past midnight.
• 46:57
  It's freezing cold outside as well.
• 46:58
  This was around, I think it was January.
• 47:00
  In a typical working week as well.
• 47:02
  Yeah, yeah. In a typical working week, it
• 47:03
  was like midweek or something. It was maybe a Wednesday.
• 47:07
  I charged my watch, stood up. I was like war God, this is
• 47:10
  going to be this can be savage. So I've gone back out and where
• 47:15
  I live in Solihull just start running around the streets.
• 47:18
  It starts shitting it down. And that was when the emotional
• 47:24
  roller coaster kind of started with I just started feeling
• 47:28
  really sorry for myself. And I was like, my foot's in so
• 47:32
  much pain, I can't do this, I can't finish it.
• 47:34
  You know you're going to have those feelings in in something
• 47:37
  like that. But I didn't know that was to
• 47:39
  come because I've not done something on this scale.
• 47:41
  So when it came on, I just played the victim role
• 47:44
  massively. I was feeling so sorry for
• 47:47
  myself. And then I started thinking
• 47:49
  about Arthur and I just was like, this 6 year old lad got
• 47:53
  beaten to death and you can't even do this challenge.
• 47:58
  And I just was like, I was like, just get a grip of yourself and
• 48:02
  then just cracked on. And then I started thinking
• 48:05
  about my dad and everything he went through.
• 48:06
  And my mum has just started crying.
• 48:09
  It's like midnight and well, now it's probably about 1:00 AM in
• 48:11
  the morning. And then I started thinking
• 48:14
  about good times with my dad. I started laughing.
• 48:17
  And I'm like, if somebody gets CCTV footage of this, of me
• 48:20
  running around the streets of Dorridge, they're going to think
• 48:23
  they're going to have to report it because there's some loose
• 48:25
  man like just running around the streets like absolutely mad.
• 48:27
  You've combined almost the perfect storm because I know
• 48:30
  from having done enough all night as when I was studying at
• 48:32
  uni or whatever. Between the hours of one and
• 48:35
  three, you go a bit weird because you deprivation.
• 48:38
  But then also when you're doing an endurance event and you're
• 48:41
  around 3/4 of the way through a marathon, you go a bit weird.
• 48:45
  So you take a bit weird from from endurance event, you take a
• 48:48
  bit weird of the time of night, cut them together.
• 48:50
  I can imagine that you would have been laughing and crying
• 48:52
  your way around Birmingham. So yeah, I mean, how did I
• 48:57
  assume you got through that night and then you managed to
• 48:59
  get the rest of the challenge? Done.
• 49:00
  So yeah, what we did was I got through that night and my mom
• 49:04
  stayed up all night. She cooked me food.
• 49:07
  I had an ice bath. There's a picture of me sitting.
• 49:10
  I'm going to have to send this over to you in the ice bath.
• 49:13
  I have got boxes on in it and I'm just eating pasta at 2:00 in
• 49:15
  the morning. And I was thinking if I continue
• 49:20
  running like I don't know what kind of like injury my foot's
• 49:24
  in, like even just putting like the slightest pressure, I was
• 49:27
  like, well, I'm just going to cause long term damage.
• 49:30
  And I thought, right, how can I continue doing this challenge?
• 49:33
  Because the challenge isn't about me.
• 49:35
  And if I can do it, it's about raising the money and the
• 49:37
  awareness for this charity. So I was thinking, right, how
• 49:41
  can I continue doing the marathons?
• 49:44
  So then I ended up rowing the next marathon.
• 49:46
  I thought, right, I'm just going to give my foot a rest.
• 49:48
  Rowed the next marathon. I've never done that as well.
• 49:50
  So I was like, you know what, this can be a challenge in
• 49:52
  itself. Stupidly didn't wear any
• 49:56
  cushion. I was.
• 49:57
  Going to say. On the rowing machine it was
• 50:01
  raw, very raw, not good. And that was that was an
• 50:06
  interesting 1. So then I was like OK, I'm going
• 50:08
  to rode the next one. But what I did was I rode that
• 50:11
  on the night probably started at about 9:00 and then the next one
• 50:15
  I rode early in the morning. So I basically did them pretty
• 50:18
  much within like a 12 hour window of each other.
• 50:21
  But over at the gym everyone else stepped in so I had to pull
• 50:25
  the gym owner and then a bunch of other people who jumped in
• 50:28
  for like 10K here and there. CrossFit classes were going on
• 50:31
  still and everyone's just looking at looking at us too.
• 50:33
  We're watching Spider man or something.
• 50:35
  Managed to set up his laptop and we're rowing.
• 50:38
  We did have cushions for this one.
• 50:40
  And then because the news kind of like the local news got hold
• 50:44
  of it, we were, they were asking like, is there people that can
• 50:48
  come get involved with the last one?
• 50:49
  And I was like, right, I'm going to have to do this back outside
• 50:51
  again. How can we make a, make a cool
• 50:54
  thing of it and just get everyone running together?
• 50:56
  So my, I basically said to like a few people, do you want to
• 51:00
  come run this? Like I'm going to cycle it and,
• 51:04
  you know, support everyone and get like photos, videos, all
• 51:07
  that kind of thing. So we can really push like the
• 51:09
  charity in the link. So yeah, we all met up the Drum
• 51:14
  Monkey, which is a pub local to, to us and had loads of people
• 51:18
  down there for the start. Solly or Moores came up and just
• 51:21
  gave us like it was like 500 LB or something in, in a, in an
• 51:25
  envelope as a wall. Here we go.
• 51:27
  That's, that's incredible. And the last day was just a bit
• 51:31
  of fun for everyone to get involved.
• 51:32
  Some people jumped in from the start, finished halfway.
• 51:35
  Some people were there all the way.
• 51:36
  Some people were on bikes, which is I was on and off the bike
• 51:39
  quite a few times. I was like, right, you have a
• 51:41
  rest. So it's about getting the
• 51:42
  mileage done, but putting out the message more than anything.
• 51:45
  And from doing that charity event, I kind of went, you know
• 51:49
  what, I know what I'm meant to be doing now.
• 51:51
  Like I'm a lover, not a fighter. So I kind of shifted from, I'm
• 51:56
  not actually annoyed about me pursuing the military stuff
• 52:00
  because I needed that to know, right?
• 52:03
  I'm not a fighter, I'm a lover. I want to go and do that kind of
• 52:06
  stuff and try and spread my passion that way.
• 52:09
  I've got this is a, it's a good transition point actually,
• 52:12
  because I've got some listener questions that I want to ask you
• 52:16
  before we we come. But one of the questions will
• 52:18
  point towards something else that is natural to talk about
• 52:21
  next. So for those that aren't aware,
• 52:24
  this might be your first time listening to the podcast.
• 52:26
  We do the list of questions here.
• 52:27
  So before Ollie came on today and before previous guests have
• 52:30
  come on, I put up a story or something like that on the
• 52:33
  Instagram and you guys have the opportunity to ask direct
• 52:36
  questions to the guest. Number of reasons is you guys
• 52:39
  then get to hear what you want to hear.
• 52:40
  But also I don't need to try and ask the perfect questions all
• 52:43
  the time. You guys get to do that for me.
• 52:45
  So this first question comes from Joe and Joe wants to ask
• 52:49
  you what's your dream event or physical achievement in life?
• 52:54
  One that I've done or one that I want?
• 52:55
  To one that you want to do or one that you have done.
• 52:59
  Yeah, that's a that's a good one.
• 53:00
  There's a extreme Iron Man called the Norseman.
• 53:04
  So I did the typical thing of just going on Google typing in
• 53:07
  like, what's the toughest events out there?
• 53:10
  And with a bit of variety. So there's a swim, bike, run.
• 53:14
  And this Norseman is in Norway. It's Iron Man distance, so 3.8
• 53:18
  kilometer swim, 180K bike and a marathon run.
• 53:22
  But the swim is in like freezing cold temperatures.
• 53:25
  You're jumping off a boat in there in Norway.
• 53:27
  And to start your swim, the bike, I think he's got some
• 53:31
  ridiculous elevation, like 4 to 5000 meters of elevation during
• 53:35
  it and with like crazy crosswinds.
• 53:39
  And then the run is basically finishing at the top of the
• 53:42
  mountain. So, and it's them, yeah, they're
• 53:45
  very like you, you have to like go into a ballot to try and get
• 53:50
  into this event. So it's quite, quite tough to
• 53:51
  get into. And so, yeah, that's that's one
• 53:54
  that I've thought about. Awesome.
• 53:56
  The next question is a slightly different change of tone is from
• 54:00
  Alexia asking if you had to lose a limb, what would it be and
• 54:05
  what sport would you do? I would say my left arm because
• 54:10
  I'm right-handed, because I still want to be able to run and
• 54:14
  things like that. What sport would it be?
• 54:20
  It'd be like the Iron Man's and I'd probably go even bigger and
• 54:23
  try and do some crazy ultra event where, you know, you're
• 54:28
  that person who is, you know, trying to crack on through the
• 54:33
  most adverse, like position yourself and try and show people
• 54:37
  like, right, you can still do this even though, yeah, you
• 54:40
  might be missing a limb. So some crazy ultra out there,
• 54:43
  something that's, you know, it's quite far out.
• 54:46
  Awesome. And I have a couple more
• 54:49
  questions. One is from a listener, so I'm
• 54:52
  going to ask that first, which is what is your secret to
• 54:54
  training for all of these different events that you do?
• 55:01
  So I try, I try and keep it with, I try and train for
• 55:05
  everything at the same time, but not too much, if that makes
• 55:08
  sense. So if I know I'm going into an
• 55:10
  event and I want to push it, so I call them like my A race, my B
• 55:13
  race, my C race or events, I'll try and keep in like the
• 55:18
  swimming once a week. If I know I'm not going to be
• 55:20
  swimming, but I just want to keep topping it up, I'll keep
• 55:23
  the weights kind of like around like three to four kind of
• 55:25
  strength sessions a week. And when I know I want to go and
• 55:29
  really push something, I kind of give myself like a 12 week
• 55:32
  window. So I'm going to be doing
• 55:34
  Manchester Marathon next year, so I know right when I get to
• 55:38
  three months. Within that.
• 55:39
  I'm slowly building up the mileage on the running now, but
• 55:42
  I'm not going to stop swimming. I'm jumping on the bike
• 55:44
  occasionally, doing my weights in the CrossFit gym.
• 55:48
  So when I get to those three months, that's when I'll go a
• 55:50
  bit more specific. I might drop the swimming and
• 55:53
  the biking down and go just running.
• 55:56
  But then I know it's only 12 weeks, so then after the 12
• 55:59
  weeks you can start to pick up the other stuff again.
• 56:01
  Awesome. OK, cool.
• 56:01
  Sorry, just to mention that one was from Chris.
• 56:03
  I don't want to steal your question and I'll give you your
• 56:05
  your shout out. Why do you have another question
• 56:09
  which is actually from Ruby Lola?
• 56:12
  So you were on Ruby's podcast a year ago.
• 56:14
  She came on this podcast a little while ago and we're she's
• 56:17
  a friend of the show. We're friends.
• 56:18
  I asked her if there's anything she would want to ask you and
• 56:21
  she said who the hell would want to do 48 hours of burpees?
• 56:27
  The answer is actually Ollie, apparently.
• 56:30
  But talk us through why the hell you did 48 hours of burpees.
• 56:34
  Well, I won't be doing it again, that's for sure.
• 56:37
  And I think again, we were talking about like when you're
• 56:42
  searching for that kind of moment, that euphoric experience
• 56:45
  during a during an event, and I try and pick these hard things
• 56:48
  because I want to go through like that roller coaster.
• 56:50
  I want to know what I'm made of when shit hits the fan.
• 56:54
  So me and my younger brother were kind of coming up with
• 56:58
  things. What could I be like the first
• 56:59
  person to do and like what is so crazy that no one else is kind
• 57:04
  of giving it a go and like just a real challenge.
• 57:07
  So and unfortunately at the back end of last year, the long story
• 57:11
  is a guy called Matt Gallagher, who my dad used to play rugby
• 57:14
  with lovely guy and got diagnosed with MND.
• 57:18
  And when we heard it, it was just was like absolutely awful.
• 57:21
  And, you know, you wouldn't wish anyone of that.
• 57:24
  And he's such a such a gentleman.
• 57:26
  Every time I used to meet up with, with all my dad's rugby
• 57:29
  pals after my dad passed, they would just be incredible, like,
• 57:34
  you know, giving good advice and kind of going, if you want to
• 57:36
  get back into the rugby again, let us know.
• 57:38
  You know, we'll give you the, we'll, we'll give you details.
• 57:41
  And you know what, I'll get you a trial wherever.
• 57:42
  And he was always one person that said that.
• 57:44
  So when I heard this, I was like, I would like to do
• 57:46
  something. And I knew he started the Matt
• 57:48
  Gallagher Foundation, which is helping families in the, I think
• 57:52
  mainly in the Midlands with, who were going through MND with
• 57:55
  helping them with like their housing situation going like
• 57:58
  building wet rooms downstairs. So, and they even put a lift
• 58:02
  into someone's house. They've done some like really
• 58:04
  cool things. And I just said to Jamie, I was
• 58:08
  like, he come up with like a Burbie Broadjet marathon and he
• 58:11
  said a bunch of other stupid things.
• 58:13
  So cheers, Jamie, for that. And I just was like, right, you
• 58:16
  know, Burpee broad jumps, that's an awful exercise to do.
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  No one enjoys them. So I went to Matt, I met with
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  him and I said for, listen, the original thing was to do a
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  Burpee broad jump marathon. And I said we could go through
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  Guinness records. We can try and make this like a
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  real big thing and raise loads of money and awareness for the
• 58:34
  charity. And he was like, Are you sure
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  you want to do that? And I said, Matt, I'm the guy
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  and then I I just was kind of saying that because it sounded
• 58:43
  quite cool. But then I left, I went, I don't
• 58:45
  have a clue how that's meant to be done or whatever, but we'll
• 58:49
  figure it out. I've kind of gone into a lot of
• 58:51
  events very naive and I've always kind of figured it out.
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  So we started coming coming up with like how we're going to do
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  this, the red on guys who are absolutely brilliant.
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  I went up and did some fitness testing with them and tried to
• 59:05
  kind of come up with like a training program where we can
• 59:08
  make sure my body just, you know, comes out the back end of
• 59:12
  this not injured and not with any lifelong injuries.
• 59:16
  So we come together with a great plan and before you know it,
• 59:20
  it's the day of it. And to be honest, we didn't,
• 59:24
  there wasn't much of A dull moment, was there?
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  So it was, it was fun from start to finish because I had so much
• 59:32
  support around me and we raised so much money.
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  And the only downfall I would say that I would do different
• 59:39
  next time is I wouldn't go for the world record or Guinness
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  record because it became quite stressful to try and sort out
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  camera stuff and the standards and all of that.
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  And it kind of for me, I didn't want to lose touch of why we
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  were doing it. I didn't want to do it for the
• 59:54
  world record. I wanted to do it to raise money
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  for an incredible bloke. That was literally it.
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  So as soon as we got started, I was, there was no one has ever
• 1:00:02
  done it. Guinness kind of come up with a
• 1:00:04
  crazy thing and said right, we want you to hit 30 kilometers in
• 1:00:07
  48 hours. I knew straight away I've done a
• 1:00:10
  5 kilometer burpee broad jump, which was in training and that
• 1:00:14
  took me 7 1/2 hours and I was like, I just went, I've got to
• 1:00:18
  hold that pace for 30 kilometers.
• 1:00:21
  I went that's not happening, that's not going to happen.
• 1:00:23
  So I kind of lost touch of that and we just had a great time
• 1:00:27
  over the 48 hours over at the local rugby club, which I will
• 1:00:30
  also add where my dad's bench is at, where, you know, where I
• 1:00:34
  first started out with the rugby.
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  So it was a real nice touch. And there was a massive Minion
• 1:00:38
  juniors festival going on on the last day on the Sunday where,
• 1:00:42
  you know, we're all tired and cranky and they're all started
• 1:00:45
  burpee board jumping with me. They're meant to be playing
• 1:00:47
  rugby games. They're like, no, we want to, we
• 1:00:49
  want to do this. And I was like, these kids are
• 1:00:51
  showing me up right now jumping along.
• 1:00:54
  So to be honest, I didn't actually have a dark moment.
• 1:00:57
  It was just like fun start to finish and a lot of banter as
• 1:01:00
  well. That's good to know.
• 1:01:01
  Good to know. And I was wondering because some
• 1:01:04
  of those young kids might want to listen to this.
• 1:01:07
  The next part that we do is the three pieces of advice part,
• 1:01:10
  where essentially I'm no longer in the room.
• 1:01:12
  You have to pretend that you're here alone and you're either
• 1:01:15
  talking to three different versions of yourself when you're
• 1:01:18
  younger, or maybe one version you want to give them three
• 1:01:20
  pieces of advice. But what are three quick pieces
• 1:01:23
  of advice you'd give a younger version of Molly?
• 1:01:26
  Follow your passion for sure, and whatever you enjoy most.
• 1:01:31
  That is the that's the thing that's going to get you to where
• 1:01:34
  you want to be. If you're trying to pursue a
• 1:01:36
  career or sporting stuff for the external validation, it's only
• 1:01:42
  going to last so long. So you've got to have that
• 1:01:45
  internal passion and whatever that is, that's what you got to
• 1:01:48
  go for. Don't listen to anyone else.
• 1:01:51
  That's number one. God got to figure 2.
• 1:01:55
  So probably #2 is on top of that, like put yourself in an
• 1:02:02
  environment with what I experienced going to the
• 1:02:05
  CrossFit gym at such a young age with like older people who were
• 1:02:09
  successful but also really good people.
• 1:02:11
  I learnt so much from them. So put myself in the environment
• 1:02:15
  of successful people and the good people was I think the not
• 1:02:21
  what separated me from other people, but what gave me the
• 1:02:25
  opportunities and where I am right now.
• 1:02:27
  I learned so much from them. So yeah, that would be put
• 1:02:31
  yourself in the right, right environment for sure with older
• 1:02:33
  people who, you know, very successful and #3 would be if
• 1:02:43
  I'm talking about from a training point of view, don't
• 1:02:46
  just like say this one exercise is the thing that's going to get
• 1:02:51
  me to over there. So what I mean by that is like,
• 1:02:53
  let's say with the high rocks, it's becoming quite big.
• 1:02:56
  Everyone's got like, this is the way you train for it.
• 1:03:00
  Well, that might work for someone, but it might not work
• 1:03:04
  for you. So it's about having flexibility
• 1:03:06
  to go, you know what, I don't have to do it your way.
• 1:03:09
  I just need to find it my way. But you can start to pick from
• 1:03:12
  lots of different people. So if we're trying to like nail
• 1:03:15
  it down, flexibility of like right, this is what I want to
• 1:03:17
  do. Here's the blueprint of it.
• 1:03:20
  But you don't have to follow that.
• 1:03:21
  It can be your your own way. Some advice, I like that a lot.
• 1:03:26
  Now that leads us into effectively what is the last
• 1:03:29
  question? So the last question always
• 1:03:31
  comes from the previous guest. And I will follow this by asking
• 1:03:34
  you for your question for the next guest.
• 1:03:35
  It doesn't have to be serious, by the way.
• 1:03:38
  You can ask something deep if you really want to, but you can
• 1:03:40
  ask something silly. So last episode I had Toby on
• 1:03:44
  who was actually just gone all in on getting going with his
• 1:03:48
  business to the point where he's sold everything he owns so he
• 1:03:50
  can go and live in a cheaper country to put more money into
• 1:03:53
  his business. Now his business is called
• 1:03:55
  Active Explore, where they set up awesome expeditions all
• 1:03:58
  across the world to do crazy things or even just relatively
• 1:04:02
  cool things in a cool. Place.
• 1:04:03
  I'm going to have to get onto that.
• 1:04:04
  So his his question to you was, if money was no object, where
• 1:04:09
  would you go for four months? South Island, New Zealand,
• 1:04:12
  straight away, yeah. It's where I went travelling
• 1:04:15
  with Jess, my girlfriend. We went to the North Island
• 1:04:18
  first. I had the, it was my first Iron
• 1:04:20
  Man over there in a place called Lake Topaw.
• 1:04:23
  And we were told like just wait till you go to the South Island.
• 1:04:27
  And I was like, it can't be any better than this.
• 1:04:29
  Like I was like just in awe. We went to the South Island.
• 1:04:32
  We were on the boat on the way in and I was just looking around
• 1:04:34
  like thinking this place just doesn't seem real.
• 1:04:37
  It just seems like something you'd see on on film or
• 1:04:39
  something. And as we're just going through
• 1:04:41
  all the different places, Wanaka and Queenstown especially, 2 of
• 1:04:46
  just the most like gorgeous places I've ever been.
• 1:04:49
  Mountains, great people, good coffee.
• 1:04:52
  So yeah, it would be S Island, New Zealand.
• 1:04:55
  I've always said that if I ever went to New Zealand, I don't
• 1:04:56
  think I'd come home. Yeah.
• 1:04:58
  And I've been up front with friends and family.
• 1:05:00
  Like, don't invite me to come with you because I won't.
• 1:05:02
  I won't come back with you. Awesome.
• 1:05:05
  So what? What question do you think you'd
• 1:05:07
  ask for the next guest? You're going into a training
• 1:05:11
  session, but it's a partner. Work out who you're taking.
• 1:05:15
  Anyone, just anyone in the world, dead or alive.
• 1:05:19
  OK. Who do you want in that partner
• 1:05:21
  training session? Interesting, Out of interest,
• 1:05:24
  who would you take with you? Jess is pointing at her now.
• 1:05:30
  Wouldn't be you, Jess as sorry. Maybe you'd be second.
• 1:05:36
  I would tell my dad I. Was wondering if not, yeah.
• 1:05:38
  I would tell my dad 100% he actually was just somebody even
• 1:05:42
  like later on into age. Like we had a rowing machine
• 1:05:45
  over at our house and it was quite ironically like placed in
• 1:05:49
  my bedroom and he'd kick me out and he'd just row for an hour
• 1:05:54
  and it would sound like he's having a heart attack.
• 1:05:56
  My nan would come into the house and she'd buy Teresa.
• 1:05:58
  He's having a heart attack up there.
• 1:05:59
  Like get him off that Rovership. He just loved putting himself in
• 1:06:03
  a hole as well and just love that kind of like hardship about
• 1:06:05
  training and just what it kind of was all about.
• 1:06:08
  So yeah, 100% my dad. Awesome.
• 1:06:10
  Well, if you guys want to listen to the next guest response, make
• 1:06:14
  sure you tune in next week for that episode.
• 1:06:17
  Otherwise, I want to say it's a a massive pleasure to have you
• 1:06:20
  on Ollie, and thank you very much for sharing your story and
• 1:06:23
  your side of things. Where can people find you or
• 1:06:26
  your training if they want to reach out and speak to you
• 1:06:28
  about? That so best place is probably
• 1:06:29
  on Instagram. Russell Performance Training.
• 1:06:32
  I know George, Trav and Charlie have been on this podcast as
• 1:06:35
  well. So with the theater and with
• 1:06:38
  George's clothing brand, we're doing quite a lot of stuff.
• 1:06:41
  And yeah, if you see it on theater, I'm I'm with them quite
• 1:06:44
  a lot. So yeah, Russell performance
• 1:06:46
  Training on Instagram. Awesome.
• 1:06:48
  Well, for those that are joining today, you can find the Mindset
• 1:06:51
  podcast at Mindset under score podcast on all platforms.
• 1:06:55
  You won't find us on with any other way.
• 1:06:58
  So it is that across YouTube, TikTok, Instagram now, like I
• 1:07:02
  said, I hope you all TuneIn for the answer to next week.
• 1:07:06
  Well, the answer to your question in next weeks episode
• 1:07:08
  and I look forward to seeing you all there.
• 1:07:10
  Thank you very much. Thank you.