279 - Marvin Oka: The Nature of Second Order Leadership

Coaches Rising · Mar 11, 2026 · 1h 59m · transcript

In this conversation with Marvin Oka we explore neurobehavioral modelling as a lens for understanding change, leadership, and learning, examining the tension between stability and integration, the four types of change, and the cognitive capacities - such as metacognition and generative inquiry - required for second-order leadership. Moving from theory into practice, the episode explores leadership as an emergent property of systems, offering insights into whole-system change, the leadership anchorline, and how leaders and coaches can guide people from inner turbulence toward greater…