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- Lucas: So there's this metric that's been around for over twenty years, and companies still swear by it. The Net Promoter Score — NPS. One question: 'How likely are you to recommend us to a friend or colleague?' on a scale of zero to ten. Luna: And it's basically become the gold standard for customer loyalty, right? Every SaaS dashboard I see has that number front and center. Lucas: Exactly. And it's surprisingly polarizing. Some marketers say it's too simplistic — you're boiling down the entire customer experience into a single digit. Others argue that simplicity is exactly why it works. Luna: I've definitely seen companies obsess over moving that number by one or two points. But does a higher NPS actually mean better retention? Lucas: That's the million-dollar question. And the data says: yes, but only if you use it correctly. A 2024 study from Bain & Company — the firm that originally created NPS — found that companies with top-quartile NPS scores grew revenue at more than twice the rate of bottom-quartile firms. Luna: So correlation is strong. But I remember reading that Apple's NPS is around 72, which is phenomenal. How do they keep it so high? Lucas: Apple is a great case. They don't just measure NPS — they act on it at the individual store level. Every Apple Store manager sees their location's NPS daily. If a customer gives a score of six or below — a detractor — the manager gets an alert and can follow up within hours. Luna: Wow, that's real-time. So they're not just collecting data; they're triggering actions. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the key difference between companies that get value from NPS and those that just report it in board meetings. You need a closed feedback loop. Tesla does something similar — they track NPS after every service visit, and if you're a detractor, you get a call from the service manager. Luna: I've actually heard stories of Tesla owners getting a personal call within a day. That's pretty impressive for a company that doesn't even have a PR department. Lucas: Right. And it works. Tesla's NPS is consistently in the high 80s. But here's where it gets interesting — NPS alone doesn't tell you why someone is unhappy. That's why many companies now pair it with a follow-up question: 'What's the primary reason for your score?' Luna: Right, because a score of six could mean anything from 'the product broke' to 'the website was slow'. Lucas: Exactly. And without that context, you're just staring at a number. In fact, a 2025 survey by Qualtrics showed that 68 percent of companies that use NPS don't have a formal process for closing the loop with detractors. They measure, but they don't act. Luna: So they're wasting the data. What about the middle group — the passives, scores seven to eight? Some companies ignore them. Lucas: That's a mistake. Passives are vulnerable. They're not actively promoting you, but they're not complaining either. A small misstep can turn them into detractors. A great experience can turn them into promoters. So smart companies target passives with a 'win-back' campaign — maybe a personalized email or a small upgrade. Luna: That's smart. So what's the current best practice in 2026? Is NPS still the king? Lucas: It's still the most widely used loyalty metric, but it's not the only one anymore. A lot of companies now use a composite score — NPS plus Customer Satisfaction Score, or CSAT, and Customer Effort Score. But NPS remains the best predictor of growth, especially for B2B companies. Luna: And I'm seeing more use of AI to analyze open-ended responses. Instead of just categorizing reasons manually, AI can spot themes across thousands of responses. Lucas: That's a huge shift. Tools like Qualtrics and Medallia now use natural language processing to surface the most common pain points. One telecom company found that the word 'hold' appeared in 40 percent of detractor comments — they were frustrated with wait times. That insight led to a callback feature that boosted NPS by 10 points in six months. Luna: So the metric itself isn't dying — it's getting smarter. But I think there's a danger of companies becoming too focused on the score and ignoring the humans behind it. Lucas: Absolutely. If you're only tracking NPS to hit a target number, you're missing the point. The real value is in the conversation it starts. A detractor who gets a sincere follow-up and sees their issue resolved is more likely to become a loyal customer than someone who never complained. Luna: That's the paradox — the act of fixing a problem can actually strengthen the relationship. I've experienced that myself. One time I gave a low score to a software company, and the CEO personally emailed me. I was so impressed I ended up renewing. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the kind of story that makes NPS more than a number. It's a tool for building relationships at scale. Luna: Speaking of building relationships — I think that's actually a great segue into something. A handful of our listeners chip in monthly through buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, and that direct support is what keeps this show ad-free and focused on practical insights like this. Lucas: Yeah, it's a small group, but it makes a huge difference. It means we don't have to shoehorn in sponsored segments. We can just talk about what's actually useful. Luna: Exactly. And we're grateful for every single one of you who helps keep this going. Now back to NPS — one thing I want to address is the common critique that NPS is too correlated with overall satisfaction to be actionable. How do you respond to that? Lucas: I think that critique misses the point. NPS isn't meant to be a diagnostic tool — it's a leading indicator. If your NPS drops, something is wrong. It's the canary in the coal mine. You still need to do the digging to find out what. But it's better than waiting for churn numbers to show up in your quarterly report. Luna: So you'd recommend every business with more than, say, a hundred customers to track it? Lucas: Yes, but with a caveat. Don't just copy Apple or Tesla. Tailor the question to your industry. For a B2B SaaS company, maybe you ask about likelihood to renew instead of recommend. For a retail brand, you might ask about likelihood to shop again. The core principle is the same. Luna: And what about frequency? Monthly? Quarterly? Lucas: It depends on your touchpoints. Transactional NPS — sent right after a purchase or support interaction — gives you real-time feedback. Relational NPS — sent quarterly to your entire customer base — gives you the big picture. Most companies do both. Luna: That makes sense. So if someone listening wants to start today, what's the first step? Lucas: Send a simple email with one question. Use a tool like SurveyMonkey or Typeform. Then categorize the responses into promoters, passives, and detractors. Calculate the score: percentage of promoters minus percentage of detractors. Then — and this is the most important part — pick up the phone or send a personal note to every detractor. Luna: And that's where the real magic happens. Thanks, Lucas. That's a pretty actionable blueprint. Lucas: Happy to help. Remember, NPS is a starting point, not a finish line. Use it as a compass, and you'll keep your customers — and your business — heading in the right direction.