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Why Website Perfection No Longer Wins In AI Search · The ROI Online Podcast

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, we're live.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yesterday I was uh working on a client project.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: This um client's been uh with me for about a year and a half, and we are refreshing their website now.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, if you were to ask me, you know, I've been in this business for 14 years.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: This is our 14th year in business.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I've even wrote a book on marketing, okay?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's uh it's about the growth stack, but it's like uh I call it the golden toilet because uh everybody puts all this effort into creating this uh pretty pristine um device, a website that everybody's gonna go to, and they put all this effort into it, but it doesn't um move the needle like you expected.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what today's topic is about is like um what's what's going on in our world, everything's changed, you know.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: So and here's what here's what I'm saying AI doesn't want perfect, it wants you clear.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if I was to do things different, I I'm already doing them, so uh is how I would answer it.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: But here's let me tell you about this project.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: We started off with this project.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's a um it's a service for a specific industry that's uh revolutionary, but what they knew then a year and a half ago, and what they know now is very different.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh what needs to be on that website, what materials need to be in place uh to support the the relationship process and bringing folks on and educating uh um the target niche, the personas on what what that solution looks like in their future.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: The information that we had, uh the way that that the way that they talked about their service is very different now than it was before.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: But here's what here's what uh we did different.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: We quickly put something up, and then we got busy and we started uh talking about what it is that they do.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: They and in this case, this client's following um um my system, it's um an executive content flywheel, and so we're creating content on a weekly basis where we're talking with the leader and we're talking about every aspect of their service.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: We're recording those conversations and we're publishing those conversations, and then the transcripts from those conversations are infused into their custom GPT, and now they're able to quickly do presentations, proposals, um, emails, they being the internal team, the the relationship team, the the leadership team, the preparing uh uh presentations for shareholders, etc.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: is extremely powerful, but it just hit me.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is the the way that uh most folks are approaching clearly communicating their their value is uh backwards now, and that's because AI has totally blown up everything.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: And and you have companies that are investing thousands of dollars every month to create backlinks and to create, you know, put the keywords on there and to change the UX and all these things, but it you know, that's what we're gonna talk about today.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um all that legacy work is um becoming obsolete if you're not careful, and so let's start here.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so today the message is AI doesn't want it perfect, it wants you clear it, and what's happening is you know, SEO is about structure or was about structure, but GEO, generative engine optimization, is about signal, signal being your message, being your clear message, being uh um a resource that can um be referred to in a citation and an answer.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: And our world is flipped, and so we're let's go, let's talk about, you know, everything, all this uh the SEO world talks about is this technical uh application, and in a way, it's almost an excuse not to get to to where we need to be positioning in GEO, right?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so in the past, the old way was like let's focus on load times, let's focus on backlinks, let's focus on uh metadata, let's focus on UX, let's focus on structure.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: All right, that's not evil.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's it was needed, but all of a sudden, fast forward, this is um, and I'll show you here in a second, this is not enough.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is uh just you know, you sit down in a poker game, it's it's uh it's uh table stakes, that's just your anti that you're putting in.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody has to have this.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is not exceptional, this is just this is just basic.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: But now what's happening is you have to have creative clarity, you have to have you need to focus on what your message is, and it needs to be clear, and it needs to be prolific, and it needs to be published, and it needs to be done on a consistency, and it needs to have your opinion and what you believe and why.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it needs to be a discussion that's targeted and is uh relevant to the people that you serve, and so this is a signal part of everything.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was watching uh um a podcast, it's called uh Moonshots, and uh Dave Blundon, he's uh he was made this uh comment on uh GEO, and he's the founder and uh GPT uh GP of uh Link Ventures.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: And what we're talking about, or what they were talking about was um Wikipedia is showing that visits are down eight percent year over year, human traffic drops in the AI area, and they're talking about how AI chatbots now answer directly, skipping Wikipedia in total.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so generative engine optimization now now is the focus on on uh what needs to be going on, and so when we look in, I'll just show you when we look in here, here's our you know, here's our search engine now.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: And and did you know that 40% of the people now are using perplexity or chat GPT or uh Gemini or this AI mode right here instead.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you click on AI mode, then you just ask it what you want to know, and it's gonna bring it back to you, okay?
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I uh um I'm gonna demonstrate this to you.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: So what I put in here is like, tell me about generative engine optimization, and so just demonstrating what's what's happening now.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if you notice, in just a second, it's covered at least as many sites.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's come back with your answer, it's the practice of optimizing digital content specifically for AI-powered search engine chatbots.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's also called generative engines.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: But unlike traditional SEO, which focuses on ranking pages and a list of search results, GEO aims for content to be directly featured or cited in the AI's synthesized responses like Google's AI overviews.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so you'll see these uh links, and this takes you to the exact article that this is being aggregated from.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is not from one page, this is from many pages that are being aggregated.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you slide in here and I zoom in a little bit, you know, traditional SEO, the primary goal is to achieve higher rankings and a list of search results to drive clicks to a website.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just thinking about uh these folks that you know, they have these teams or they're paying uh uh very high priced folks that are coming in and they're reconfiguring their whole system with this in mind.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: But here's what if the folks that they haven't hired, if the primary goal is not to have content cited and included in AI generative summaries and direct answers, this is 40% of the people are not going to even come to your website, or the the propensity of them coming to your website is very is going lower, just like the example in the Wikis Wikipedia.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, keyword density, backlinks, page level optimization.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: That was the goal in traditional, but now it needs to be context, clarity, user intent, well-structured, authoritative content.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the content styles have often been long formed, detailed articles with keywords integrated for uh ranking signals, right?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now it needs to be conversational, question-based content that is easily parsed into snippets, sources, um uh success metrics.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you as these folks bring the analytics, you're going to see that your organic traffic is dropping.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Your keyword rankings are not uh um not what they were, and and even if they are high, your click-through rates are not there because people are are going around this altogether, they're just finding citations and AI responses and inclusion and AI overviews.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so while geo's uh stated here is not a replacement for SEO, but let me tell you, if if I was to do everything different now, I'm going to start, and I am, but this is what you this needs to be your focus, and this needs to be of course.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's like it's like going to the bank and and uh they have this big sign on there, F D I C, you know, like it's a big deal.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, doesn't every bank have that?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or this is the same thing.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't every website have this?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is just this is old school stuff, but this is where your competitive advantage is, and so you know, Dave was talking uh this uh about this, and so it's optimizing content, so it's readable and interpretable by AI systems, and you know, you have to produce large volumes of quality AI-generated content.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: He calls it pay the man.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: You got to you got to uh pay for your ads and Google and Facebook, but you need to be optimizing for AI understanding, and it's a giant deal.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so the way that that we're approaching it with the client I was telling you about is this weekly interview that I'm doing with um the leader of this company, that content that the transcripts were putting into um their custom GPT.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: We're writing blogs, we're publishing social media posts from this, and this is infusing into the AI systems.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, even you would, you know, the uh uh insights are well, yeah, I need to have a perfect website.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let me tell you, his website is uh we're totally redoing it, and we're optimizing on the insights that we've generated or created, learned about from feedback, etc., from others, but people joining his team, this is where they're getting a feel for what it's like to work there and what the vision is for this company, and why it's exciting to work there.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's getting conversations out of the blue from uh folks that that have been watching this content and are reaching out to him.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: His um uh the visits on his LinkedIn uh posts that we publish and promote these uh conversations that we're recording, they're they're generating a lot of activity.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then all the insights and all the transcripts have been we've been formed into their custom GPT, and this is what's being used to design the new wireframe, the new plan for the website.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: So we're building upon, not not like in the beginning, the message that we had in the beginning and the message that we have now is very different, but that message is fine-tuned.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's much like when you think about you know, when you take uh you put your camera up and it takes a minute to zoom in and focus, or you maybe you touch on the face and it dials in and brings that picture uh you know, really crisp.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is the same exercise.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're as you're collecting the insights and the subject at matter expertise from the leaders of the organization, we're using that to bring into focus who's their target persona, who do they need to be, uh, what are their motivations in those personas?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then taking this content and using AI to create and produce large volumes of quality AI-generated content that speaks clearly to those personas and their motivations.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's um it's impressive how quickly this um our world has changed.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so, what would I do differently now?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: I would start with these what I call clarity sessions, but interviews, and start to download, get all of that subject subject matter expertise that uh is in the head of the leaders, and start to get it in and format it and start publishing it right away while you work on the back end, okay, while you're doing the technical things that you should have always done, right?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is this is like, yeah, you got to do it, or you're not in the game, but you don't win the game unless you start producing generative uh engine optimization, the content will AI SEO.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so to be included in searches, like we we did with um with this question right here.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine your article, one of your articles, one of your videos, one of your social media posts that pointed to a Substack or your blog.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's how you're included in this conversation, but you're not going to be included in this conversation just because you have your technical stuff set up.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's set that's from the perspective everybody's going to your website first.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: They'll get there, but this is where they're gonna start.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna figure out like, oh, this person um understands me, and I think I'm gonna go and check them out and do a further evaluation on their website.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: But here's where they're gonna learn about you.
• 16:39
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• 16:45
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• 16:51
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• 17:03
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• 17:18
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• 17:32
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• 17:43
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• 17:45
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• 17:56
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• 17:57
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• 18:01
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