Latest / Off the Bench - London / The Art of Sports Storytelling: Narratives in the NFL

Transcript

The Art of Sports Storytelling: Narratives in the NFL · Off the Bench - London

• speaker-0 (00:36.846) Ladies and gentlemen, you are now tuned in to Off the Bench London. With your host, Malcolm the Milkman. No where else got the visionary home. Only at the clubhouse, where the game never stops. 450 pints, half-price wings, massive screens, and the best staff in the city. Don't forget to like and subscribe. YouTube, Spotify. Get your punch-outs fixed! Yeah, look, we the boys have been running the town, don't debate that. Giving our jerseys life lessons, you can take that. Every Monday night, that ritual for sacred. Big screen dreams, we made it at the basement. On the bench, London, we up now. Pints in the air, feel the hometown sound. Talking life, hustling them game situations. Built from the grind, pure dedication. Ain't no gimmicks, it's love and foundation. The clubhouse vibe, that's a London celebration. We talk sports like motivation. Every drop of milk that's innovation. You're rocking with Off the Bench London. Brought to you by 100 Kellogg Lane, the clubhouse. Where London comes to watch the game. Now let's get into the show. speaker-1 (02:10.253) This is different again. We're just moving around. We're in the same room as last time. But like, know, just put it up. Yeah. You know what mean? Yeah, exactly. Nice. Let's say you wanted to do a board meeting. These rooms are perfect. You could set up a Zoom call exactly like this. for sure. Yeah. speaker-0 (02:32.364) I received this week. We do a presentation of the Jordan Love Concussion Show. We'll see if he plays next week in the do or die game against... Who are they playing this week coming up? It was... it's the Packers and the Ravens and Lamar Jackson might not play and Jordan Love might not play. Parsons is out. Yeah. It's weird. They set these up at the beginning of the year and you think it's going to be really good and then some games you're just like well that one sucks. speaker-0 (03:06.636) Yeah, it's like I think we're almost getting to the point where like It's like every game is a storyline Other games have played out that being amazing. speaker-1 (03:20.024) I mean, they build storylines out of everything and that's part of how they sell the game, right? True. Because they want... You can pull up random stats and it's like when they pull up narratives, it's like, Josh Allen always beats the Chiefs during the season, but has never beat them in the playoffs. They played twice during the playoffs. They played like four times, three times during the season. It's not like the sample sizes aren't that big for the narratives that they build. You're not wrong. which gets a little out of hand sometimes, but I find this year they've tried to spoon feed a lot of different narratives like Well, let's be honest, like at the start of the year, we're all talking about Mike Parsons and Jordan Love, you know, they're gonna win the Super Bowl because it's his 28th birthday year. Every quarterback in Green Bay has won at the age of 28 as their first Super Bowl. So like you have that narrative. So like, like I was saying, like last week, like it's starting to turn into like the WWE with the storyline because it draws money. speaker-1 (04:30.722) then they're talking like Mahomes towards ACL in his what eighth year after winning four Super Bowls, three Super Bowls. Just like Tom Brady. So now he's going to have a down year next year, then win a few more just like just exactly the same, but like they're just projecting and they're like pulling it like it's easy to go back and look at the numbers and be like, well, this is there's some similar similarities in this, but like three Super Bowls just like Tom. speaker-1 (04:59.882) It's not the same. is it really getting to the point where it's like, is it becoming narratives or coincidence? It's true. Sometimes it feels a little pushed. Like sometimes I get it. Sometimes it is a coincidence. But there's so many numbers in sports that like you. Well, it's a numbers game. It's all but the inches. 100%. It's 100 % about numbers. And that's why everyone gets so mad when the refs blow a call because it's a game of inches and you're giving them feet. Yards. speaker-0 (05:36.12) Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's sad right now because like even with the narratives and like we've been saying like this for the past few years with like every year that the Super Bowl logo shows up. it's those two teams that are going to be there. Like I can't remember what the colors are this year. I thought it was purple and red. Well, we definitely know purple's not making it because both Minnesota and Baltimore are definitely not making it. There's a chance I'm sure there's another color they squeeze in just enough colors But let me double check It is Yes. speaker-1 (06:22.008) Alright, this year's Super Bowl logo is... It's blue. Blue, yellow. Yellow, red, blue, pink, purple, white. Alright, so we're bringing now the dominant color is blue. I took either Buffalo or Detroit. I don't know if they just try my time to make the playoffs. speaker-0 (06:46.135) It's tight for them right now. I don't know. I think they heard that narrative and just threw a bunch of colors at the wall and were like, these are the most popular colors in the NFL. Or it's gonna be like the mixture now, two colors is the Super Bowl winner. Another narrative, another thing that people, and you're right, it is about the numbers when you pay attention to it. All right. speaker-1 (07:07.052) The more you look into anything, can pull like, that's why there's so many conspiracy theories out there, because you can dig into everything. You're like, listen, not everything is a conspiracy theory. Sometimes it's just a coincidence. I kind of want to say something right now, but it might get us banned. Cause like, you can find some truth in everything. Flat Earthers are still around. Hey, cause there's tons of Flat Earthers out there. They might report this podcast now. How is that gonna get us banned? speaker-1 (07:37.464) We're not saying they're wrong. We're just saying they're not. rounding out the whole situation. Yeah. You know, maybe this will end up in their algorithm now and they'll become a subscriber because they heard you say flat earth and they're like that guy gets it even though you're saying it's They're really listen to logic. So it's let's not go into there. Let's not go into... I would love Kyrie Irving as a subscriber. That'd be so- speaker-0 (08:10.74) Yo, if Kyrie, I would love to get him on the show to be honest. Would you? So it's great to think, right? The narrative is this is our second last Monday. Next week's our last Monday. speaker-1 (08:24.546) That's a fact. Second last Monday. I mean, obviously we're not going anywhere. No, no, we're still going to host our podcast. Don't worry. But like it might be a little bit different after next week. Yeah. We have jerseys to give away. Yeah. So like, so on that note, next week, it's the last week we're giving jerseys away. But on the positive side, we have another narrative for you. All right. So we got sim rentals. We've got tons of prizes going on for Super Bowl. Not gonna have. speaker-1 (08:54.958) It's gonna be wild here. Just reach out to us if you need a reservation for Super Bowl. We'll have some prizes going on as well to make sure that you're a part of the action. another great thing is for a Super Bowl, whoever wins a Super Bowl, you will win tickets to go to the parade. That's sick. Right? So it doesn't matter what type of fan you want to be. Let's be honest. I would love to be at the city that won the Super Bowl. We're talking plane ride out, hotel. Holy, that's wild. speaker-0 (09:25.698) You are fully covered. So you heard it here first, from off the bench, you have a chance to tickets to go to the parade of the winning city of the Super Bowl. That's huge. So if you're a big fan of whatever team's winning, I know it's not the Bengals, so I don't have to go there. yeah. And you don't have to go to Kansas City. So that's kind of a win-win, I suppose. speaker-0 (09:51.466) Sorry Swifties. speaker-0 (09:56.022) Yeah, another. So let's go back to our earlier topic. It's funny because another narrative we could be talking about or, you know, storyline is how everyone on social media got a little crazy after I talked about Jalen Hurst being traded over to the Bengals. Because I so don't don't even say. OK, so. That- ...may that ever. I agree, he is dumb. Well, just people, announcers have been saying it. I've been paying attention to a lot of different people out there that were talking. going anywhere. speaker-0 (10:32.13) Jalen Hurts is a Super Bowl winning quarterback. He's an MVP quarterback. I don't want him gone. I think... You just really like them, I wouldn't, whoa. You just think Joe Burrow is significantly better. He's a different type of athlete. I think when it comes to the Philadelphia Eagles though, it really does come down to dysfunctional in a proper way. I look at a lot of different teams in the NFL Dallas Cowboys are another dysfunctional team, but they're dysfunctional for the sake of being dysfunctional. Another one is the Steelers for some reason, wide receivers in Pittsburgh are. What's it? speaker-1 (11:13.448) Crazy? It just makes them go insane? Yeah, it's like something in Pittsburgh's water or something makes water receivers go crazy. feel like sometimes it's because Tomlin is like, yeah, I can keep these guys in check. And then they like, he like does, but like also doesn't. Break. He keeps them in check for the most part and then they just do random stupid things. speaker-0 (11:37.038) We're at you, We're looking at you. Yeah. I will not call you anything. But yeah. speaker-1 (11:48.62) My favorite was when everyone was like, yeah, you just called him by his government name. Dumer- not- Dequarius? Dequarius something? Yeah. I don't know. He's smart for short, short. He's I he's I feel like he's kind of screwed there even though he's trying to get out of it speaker-0 (12:10.926) We will see. Who knows what was actually said, but I know if I was gonna be fined $250,000, I would be probably saying the same thing. I don't think it would work the same for me, nope. But maybe I'd try it. I will say whatever I can. speaker-0 (12:31.694) But yeah, no, I can't wait for Super Bowl this year. I'm glad that the Eagles are or the Pigeons. Yes, we're still the Pigeons. They're still the pigeons. They beat up on two teams. That would really beat up. Yeah. With backup cord about it. split back of quarterbacks with zero playoff aspirations. There's nothing on the line. Best case scenario, they lose out and get better draft picks. Put it. speaker-0 (13:01.038) It's It's just funny because you see those blimps of like Jalen, of like he can be an elite quarterback, but he's doing it on beat up teams. And it's just like, fix the narrative. Like, come on. Like help us help you. I am still a Jalen Hurts. I still am wearing his jersey as we speak. But it hurts sometimes to be a fan. It hurts. Yeah, it hurts. know what mean? But overall, I'm kind of happy that the drama's kind of shut down a little bit. A.J. Brown's not talking as much as he used to. Yeah, they're starting to quiet those big narratives because they need to focus, get back, get into playoff mode. They got a couple wins now, so if they can keep it together, obviously at this point they're probably going to sit people in week 18. 100 % week 18. Well, week 17, they'll definitely try to do a little bit of a push but not hurt anyone. speaker-1 (14:08.376) Yeah, exactly. They want to get the momentum, but they don't want to get anybody in. It also depends on where seeding works, right? If they lose, where are they going to fall in the seeding and so forth? So that might also change a few things. I'm really looking forward to next week when we do this podcast so we can talk a little bit more about, you know, the seeding and so forth. That's going to bring up another narrative. Oh yeah. Right? Because there's going to be a point where we're going to be like, is this Buffalo's chance to win the Superbowl? Cause they have the easiest road. But now I'm saying that I'm looking at other teams and I was just having a conversation today about the J. Yeah, that was surprising. Like they've been doing it all year. They've only lost four games. speaker-1 (14:53.708) They've been shockingly consistent. But it's like under the radar. No one's talking about them. No one's really focused. They beat the cheese on a weird play. That's true. That was so long ago. Understandable, but like when you when you pay attention to it, it's just like the Jags have been consistently good, but we've been also focused on the Giants more because the Giants are more entertaining. So as much as we're not talking about the Jags and they're winning, the Giants were losing and we're talking more about them because it was just electrified. It's true. I feel like some of it is that whole small market, big market. speaker-0 (15:35.705) don't say small market for the eggs. I know. speaker-1 (15:40.91) Because they're not they're not the first dick if you were You don't know that many Jags fans. You don't like obviously we're nowhere near near them I know, I know... a few. Yeah, but I just mean, they don't hear that much about the Jags in anything. Like they don't make the news nearly as much. because of him. speaker-0 (16:05.378) They had a really good running back back in the day. But other than that, you're not, you're hundreds of seconds. There's no real athlete that's drawn people to be a fan of the Jags unless. I mean, Trevor Lawrence is playing really, really well. He's got 10 touchdowns in the last two games. you're like, okay, yeah, I guess he's pretty good. But that's what you expect. It's weird. He's quietly doing it. Well, I think we started paying attention more at the start of it when Trevor Lawrence first got there because of his resume back in college. He was a born winner. Sonny. That's a reference to... the Titans? Sonny. I'm just aging myself right now. take. speaker-1 (16:54.486) I the gray hair wasn't aging you enough. Jeez, I'm a little sensitive. But if you ever watch the podcast and it's jet black, you know what happened. visionary over here. guess I gotta get just from men next week. Yeah. Sponsorship. fun. speaker-1 (17:15.662) If I come in with a black beard, you'll also know that's what happened. But yeah, I know it's just like but that there's another storyline like we know terrible noise came from Clemson and was a national board winner Yeah one come to the Jays and barely is winning Patrick my homes goes down. could be another passing of the torch I'm doing the asterisk because I feel so few rough years. It's been a long time coming the Jags being good. They've needed it and they've been moving in and out of off players. They finally got some nice receivers and ATNs finally bounced back and he's playing well again. It's nice to see. Yeah. speaker-0 (18:05.238) I don't know, it's getting to a point where like, you're right, with the numbers and so forth, there's a narrative for everything, there's a talking point for everything. And every time we're gonna have a hot take on something. Exactly. speaker-1 (18:19.182) It's not like the game has changed that much. like, there's always going to be a comparison of this guy to another guy. Like Joe Burrow being sacked a whole bunch, he's instantly, oh, he's just like Andrew Luck. Is he going to retire? Like, no. is That's comparable right now because people can see that. But there's so many of those things that like, like every situation has happened before. Yes, to a certain degree, yeah. speaker-1 (18:53.486) Like there's very few things that are happening for the very first time. And I don't think we can't really see something happen for the first time really unless it's like, you know, the Eagles went in the Super Bowl or the Bengals went in the Super Bowl. That's like a finite moment. Like they want the Super Bowl. Even then they'll be like, it's just like when this team did. Exactly. I don't know, there's some records that are... speaker-1 (19:19.822) being broken and they're like, did they just compare them to it? Cause everybody, I don't know. It's interesting the more you dig into the numbers, the more you're like, well, this stat, this stat and this stat are the same. The rest of the stats are totally different, but we're just gonna pull the ones that match and say they're the exact same. Damn. Well, you know what? we can find any storyline as we want. Exactly and like people think that it's getting forced to an extent it is getting forced because people need something to talk about and those storylines are something to talk about And it does kind of make it more exciting it makes it feel like there's a lot more on the line obviously there is a lot of going But it makes it more exciting for sure. speaker-0 (20:13.906) And let's be honest, if it's not for the storylines and certain narratives, we would be in the same boat as a lot of Toronto Maple Leaf fans. There is no storyline and it's just this year's their year. That's no fun. And then it just gets to the same... Yeah, yeah, exactly. The NFL is built on rivalries. Like, Caleb Williams was doing community service wearing a cheese grater hat. man, Caleb Williams. I can't believe I'm seeing this right now. I'm so used to Green Bay owning Chicago for so many years and now Caleb Williams has... Chicago's in the running for the number one seed. speaker-0 (20:57.966) Which is shocking. Yeah. But, hey. speaker-1 (21:09.602) think Ben Johnson and him are finally clicking and it's starting to work. Obviously they needed some miracles near the end, but we'll get into that. Speaking of ref, there's a lot of that this week. breath. You know what? Let's talk about the first game. Rams and Seahawks, overtime, 37-38, and overtime. Speaking of stats, I wrote down some stats there. Tell me how the Rams lost. Ok, so Pukunokua had 225 yards. 2-touch in Stafford with 457 with 3 touchdowns. speaker-1 (21:50.936) Two touchdowns. speaker-1 (21:57.603) Yep. We see that at any other point. Oh no no, the stats get worse. Look at the possession. The Rams had it for over 40 minutes. The Seahawks had it for what, 26 minutes. So it's a 14 extra minutes. The Rams had an extra 166. Zero turnovers to the Seahawks. speaker-0 (22:27.16) Three. Three. Right, you talk about any Tell me. Tell me how the Seahawks won that game. I have no idea. Just give me a... Wait, you look at that and you're like, that's insane. There's no way you should lose a game at that rate with those numbers. speaker-1 (22:48.94) Yeah, like an extra like, especially losing in overtime by a minimal amount. It's crazy. It's crazy. Like, I don't know, I can't imagine. Stafford's looking like an MVP. But one of the biggest qualities of an MVP is finishing those games. Which kind of sucks. Obviously they were missing Adams this week. again. speaker-0 (23:18.19) Which was very significant. But at same time, it's probably good that he's not in right now because it's a soft tissue injury and those tend to linger if you don't actually take time off. for sure, yeah. Otherwise it's gonna keep just being a lingering injury and then he's not gonna be able to play on the playoffs when they need him because they're already in the playoffs. Sure. But yeah, Sam Donovan needed that game though. yeah. needed. speaker-1 (23:45.927) It's wild. speaker-1 (23:50.894) He's a winning guy. His record last year was what, like 13 and three? This year, so far he's 11 and three. Here's the thing though, and we're talking about narratives. It kind of changes the narrative that he's not a winning quarterback when it matters. That game mattered for the Seahawks. And Sam Donald showed up in both the fourth quarter and in overtime. And it was shocking to see. Yeah. Like that two point conversion, that ballsy play at the end. I was just like, yo. This is one of the only times that I ever want to see Seahawks throwing it into the end zone and not running it in the end zone. See I can do another run. versions are totally different. speaker-1 (24:40.14) No, I totally get it. You know, it's just shocking. I mean, they also don't have Marshall Mince right now. True, I feel bad for Walker though. He's getting it all the way down to the end and then sharpening gets the finish. It's kind of like Saquon Barkley and Jalen Erd. That's true. speaker-0 (24:54.403) I'm speaker-0 (24:59.66) Not this year. Rest in peace to the fishbush butt. Yeah, people, well, I mean, I think it's good, though, that it's not working this year. Because everyone was so mad last year and they all wanted it banned. then now it's like, actually, no, there's better ways. Like people have figured it. I like the variations of the touch push. With Marc Andrews doing the boot around, another great example was the Baltimore game where they did it and Snoop Huntley stood in the back like the Aaron Rodgers and he's like the train conductor. It's cool seeing those variations. It's like a boot round. speaker-1 (25:43.406) It's making it exciting. It's going back to the way it was when people have figured out how to stop what it is. It's not an automatic play anymore. speaker-0 (25:56.364) Yeah. But because everyone knows you have to set this play up, the defense has to set up to stop it. It opens up so many other things, which is. Yes. I'm okay with it. Like, easy all those weird trick plays and all those exciting things. speaker-0 (26:16.173) So after the Thursday night game, had a break, a one day break. And the next thing you know, the pigeons are the commanders. 29 to 18. Hey, I'm glad you said it. Still the pigeons. Still the pigeons until they beat a win with a team that's good. Which I don't know if they'll do until the playoffs. Ha ha ha ha! speaker-0 (26:39.022) You never know. They might figure their stuff out for the playoffs and you know. That's gonna be up. Yeah, unfortunately I can't go. I will be working. But I was hoping to get tickets for that. It would have been a good game to go to. But we'll see. Buffalo has a lot of different areas that they need help in. But like this last game with the commanders obviously you guys, the bill's next week. Good game. speaker-1 (26:56.514) Yeah. speaker-0 (27:08.43) Jane and Danos was shut down. So yeah, Marcus and Mariotta. But I think this was one of those. Well, Mariotta got her injured, didn't he? They did. Yeah. It's just one of those games where it's just like those layups that you have to make. Yeah, they're getting it at the end of their season. except for next week where that's actually getting the game because both teams are going to play but And we'll see because like whether it could be a factor next week know, weather's been weird lately. but it's great to see Saquon finally getting touches and the O-line finally learning. It's like they needed to go through this storyline to get to a point where they can trust Saquon or something or trust the O-line. speaker-1 (27:54.102) I don't know, think they just needed a couple... like... a couple layups to like... like get right games. Because they've been... they've been desperately... for sure, yeah. But looking forward, I'm intrigued to see what happens with the Eagles. It's definitely gonna be decent. I'm happy that we won that game to eliminate the Cowboys. We will stop calling them pigeons if they play well against the Vills. And you have to win. You just have to play really well. No, yeah, for sure. They don't have to be... Well, we'll see after Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. speaker-0 (28:32.96) All right, Packers, the Bears. I feel bad for the Packers. In overtime. 22 speaker-0 (28:44.436) in overtime. Okay, Malik Willis played well. He played shockingly well. Jordan Love went down. Sorry, bud. But he goes down and you think they're screwed now. But I don't think the Bears were ready for Malik Willis. Because it was such a change up from a pocket passing deep threat quarterback to more of a running quarterback. It was kind speaker-1 (29:18.766) It changes your entire defensive strategy and when he goes down you have to adjust every all line as in just wide receivers up there in just but like The like the Packers had to adjust but the Bears defense also had to adjust. Because they're not used to... They're not expecting that because they've been working all week on their game plan for Jordan Love. He goes down you get a completely different quarterback and that becomes a problem for them. you speaker-0 (29:37.559) threat quarterback. speaker-0 (29:50.19) Hottick. Green Bay, Green Bay fans. I personally think Malik Willis played way better than Jordan Love has been playing all year. And the reason why I say it is, you guys can attack me on chat, say your comments. Mahindy was a hot take. When I saw Malik Willis play last, or on Saturday, it was almost, it was to the point where it's just like, Yeah, get them. speaker-0 (30:27.062) Malik was making the necessary risks and wasn't screwing them up. Where I've been saying all year, Jordan Love is a risk taker, but he always makes the wrong mistakes and he uses his defense to bail him out. And I saw Malik Willis under pressure, probably trying to get a contract for another team. He was making calculated risks, running the ball when he needed to. And it took... It almost was like the Green Bay Packers got better. And then Chicago woke up in the fourth. Yeah, see, like I get that thought process, but at the same time, I think a lot of it has to do with the Bears defense was design was 100 % game planning, their play strategy, what they've been practicing for Jordan Love. week there were like and they didn't have enough yeah on Malik yeah that is definitely 100 % a factor 100 % we will see It does make him look really good. speaker-0 (31:31.576) Exactly. That's my point. If anything that makes him go makes you go damn he's a really good backup because he can hit hit teams with that change up But I'm really impressed by... Williams and how the Bears pulled that off. Like, Caleb Williams, I'm trying to like him, I'm trying hard. It's hard. But that team that they constructed in a year works so well for him that it's kind of shocking. I'm happy it's damn. Like that, the way they started this year to where they are now, Yeah. speaker-0 (32:24.684) You can see the evolution of K-Ball Williams. You can see the growth, the leadership, We've matured a lot. He's making risk and we're going to attack him for it because that's what we do. We'd like to watch players and attack them for it. I...Roma Doonze. So, like I look at all of those factors and this is like, wow, like the Bears could win the Superbowl this year. speaker-1 (32:51.406) That'd be wild. People would go nuts. And you guys could go to Chicago. yourself. That would be sick. It's not even that far. So, and like, let's be honest, there was an onside kick that actually worked. Like. I'll sick. I'll be sick. speaker-1 (33:08.504) Those are so rare. There's been like four of them, four or five this year, all year. And like, that's one thing I feel like they need to not make easier, but like, I get it. It's a hard play on purpose. It has to be. It has to be. This accessory has to pay for the recovery team. But at the same time, makes it so exciting. Mm-hmm. And then that bomb at the end, did you see how windy it was? There was stuff flying across like towels and flying across the field, kicking field goals and it's like whoosh. speaker-0 (33:41.506) Yes, yes. speaker-0 (33:45.678) cups. Yeah, it was in Chicago. Yeah, but like Caleb Williams throw, which was against the wind. Perfect. It was like he's been training in it all year long. Yeah. It's like there's a reason why, you know, he's in the Windy City so he can throw both ways. It's fantastic. So. He doesn't he's got an speaker-0 (34:13.134) I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do in the playoffs. I don't believe the Bears are a suspect team or a fraudulent team because I've seen enough... That's what I mean. When I look at the Bears right now, they are the most confident team because it looks like it's a team effort. No, they're exactly what they are. speaker-1 (34:33.846) And with Ben Johnson, think he runs a tight ship. Mm-hmm, but and also with Ben Johnson and like I Look at the start of last year with the Detroit Lions and in Jared golf and how he ended that year I'm seeing that transition with Caleb Williams. Yeah, and like I say, can't lose is still gonna go rogue every once in a while But now I'm He's getting more of a handle on it and he's not doing it every other play. The offense is working with him a lot more. And I think it takes a coach like Ben Johnson who does specialize in those crazy weird trick plays and running those intricate offenses that is gonna work well for him. As long as he can keep a handle on all of his running around, obviously he's doing. Yeah, speaker-0 (35:29.166) which It's working out really well. Sure, sure, All right, next game we can talk about. London boy went off. Bangles at Dolphins 45 to 21. You wanna talk about them? Cheese Brown? London, Chase Brown. Let's go. speaker-1 (35:46.702) diving into the end zone, making crazy runs. His cuts were so nice. You look at it and you're like, oh, he doesn't have that many rushing yards, but he's so involved in the passing game. It's awesome. He is playing exactly like Joe Mixon used to, if not better. Because he's actually blocking well, too. Okay. speaker-0 (36:14.368) You know what, whoever is his coaches or his influences, if he has any influence in London, y'all trained Chase to be very, very neat. Yeah, I'm looking at him and like he's poised, he's collective, his cuts are nice. He's he's not overly vocal on on aspects. He's not a hothead. He was a little bit vocal when they were shitting the bed on defense. Sorry, pardon my French, but that's to be expected. worry ahead Yeah, but like when you look at them as like That's kind what you want, to be honest. speaker-0 (36:57.366) Like I look at him and like, right? He's a top 10 running back. 100 % 100 % Mike. Are you? speaker-1 (37:05.998) He was a fantasy football steal. Yes. Most people, a lot of people are going to look at him and he's like, the boys from London, like, whatever. Like he's not going to, there's a reason why he got drafted into the NFL. Right. And I'm not sure if my, boy Watson, coached him at this point, to like even now, but like, wow. If he coached him at all, he's claiming full credit. But like bangles Joe Burrow, 300. I know. speaker-0 (37:41.614) Little late. Joe Bro with his 309 yards, four touchdowns, great. They finally get it together too late as per always. They're like, we're out of the playoffs. I think we'll have the best game of our season. But it is against the dolphin. Complete game, yeah, the dolphins are kind of trash. Like the dolphins are up and down. They're six foot seven to me. speaker-1 (38:07.138) Yeah, well, they're a speaker-0 (38:12.942) But The Dolphins, I don't know if they're gonna have a quarterback, a number one receiver, or a coach next year. It's gonna be so interesting up here. all like I can see all three of those disappearing but clearly they're trying out Quinn Uers now because they want to get a feel for him because like obviously 2A in it he's leading the league in interceptions Yeah, but at least two will get another opportunity somewhere else. So that's gonna get to the point. speaker-1 (38:49.47) yeah, for sure. speaker-1 (38:53.282) I'm guessing Arizona. Arizona has way too many options right now. Way too many options. Like going into the off season. just saying Arizona because he obviously can't play for a cold weather team. like, Pittsburgh's out. Vikings out. Anything North-ish is out. Like no New York teams. Nope. Yeah. speaker-1 (39:28.322) Patriot, yeah, nobody needs them. I'm trying to think who else would need a quarterback at the end of the year. Maybe the Falcons, but like, I don't think so. Falcons aren't gonna get rid of, what's his name, Kirk Cousins or Michael Pennington. Yeah, they need the two-headed dragon. No, because they need both. speaker-1 (39:49.88) They're stuck in limbo because Panix keeps getting hurt. He's sworn three ACLs over the course of his career. Kirk Cousins is getting older, but obviously he can still put it together. You know what? Yeah, it's just one of those things. But I don't know. There's a lot of movement that's going to happen through, like the off season is going to run through the Dolphins, right? Everything's going to happen. We're going to see a new wide receiver. Maybe DK gets traded or pushed down to Miami to get out of Pittsburgh because of that situation, because you don't want toxicity. around your team, might push him, Dolphins might take that opportunity. Whoo. So you see that quarterback wise, there's so many narratives that, you know, I don't, know, Aaron Rodgers could randomly be done in Pittsburgh and one of Miami next year, you know, but I'm not saying it's gonna happen. You know he's not going to Detroit. speaker-1 (40:59.086) No, think if anything, he'll retire. or he's gonna go to Kansas City. That'd be weird. I don't think that's, no. It's possible do the last year in Kansas City Hey, but And then we don't know what's gonna happen with the Browns quarterbacks, you know, I mean they have two rookies and in Watson's gonna be back next year That's silly. speaker-1 (41:23.598) ones are just a mess. So. The only thing they have going for them is Miles Garrett being under. I look at the Giants right now and the Giants might if I was the GM of the Giants I might actually trade Jackson D'Art because I can get so much for him I don't think you get that much. speaker-0 (41:42.776) for the amount of electricity that Jackson Dards brought to the Giants. But it only depends if Jackson Dart and Cam Scadaboo have to be on the same team together for the Giants to be successful. They can rebuild a lot right now if they trade off with Jackson Dart because of the promise he's doing. I also see Minnesota dropping off with JJ because the type of year he's had, you know, I see that and maybe it may not be a great fit. Obviously, we know the cheese are down a quarterback with Patrick Mahomes. They might pick up a veteran quarterback to fill in for the spot for Patrick Mahomes. know, Cardinals, yeah. Jacoby Resett, he might need a new team because they might find a new rookie. is speaker-1 (42:32.384) I could, if anything, could see Jacoby Percet moving to be... I could actually see him going to the Chiefs. Because he's a very good interim quarterback. He's not a franchise quarterback. And the Chiefs know they have a franchise quarterback. I, but there's so speaker-0 (42:55.074) Here's another hot take though. At the end of the game last night, at what point do you as a GM and a coach of the Ravens make the call that maybe you can't win with Lamar? think he just isn't healthy right now. He's not, no, you're right, he's not healthy right now, but it's been year after year after year. This was. Okay, but that's not fair. He's played so well. No, no, speaker-0 (43:29.742) I'm not discouraging that he hasn't played well. I'm 100 % saying he has played well. This year was an anomaly. He got injured for four weeks, was out completely, didn't play. Last night he got hit in the back. We also see Derrick Henry, the decline of him unfortunately, basically fumbling every single game now. Zay Flower, the leadership there is not any better because he keeps dropping the ball at certain points. great wide receiver drops a ball, know, mean fumbles it. Mark Andrews doing a horrible lateral that was in it. It should have been an interception even if it was forward because it left his hand, it didn't hit the ground. So even if it was forward, it should have been an interception. But then the ref saved them again. I'm looking at is to say, you've designed the Ravens to a certain point where they are more, their identity right now, That was so bad. speaker-1 (44:18.52) Yeah. speaker-0 (44:27.31) is more offensive than defense. I don't, I growing up remember the Ravens to be the defensive team. Yeah, they've it to 100 % shuffle. Now the opposite where that is an offensive team and I'm getting to the point where I'm looking and say, yes, Lamar is an elite athlete. He is an MVP quality quarterback because he's won it. But at what point do you look at him just like we can't keep going in this motion. Yeah. speaker-1 (45:00.022) Yeah, I get that you need to change it up at some point, but he's when he's healthy, he is a top five quarterback in the league. You can't. You're not going to trade off of him because what are you going to get that's better than that? that's my next point is it's turning into the Bengals. I mean you have this elite quarterback, you have this elite offense, what would you show him in shifts? Defense. Yeah. speaker-1 (45:29.634) Yeah, no, they 100 % need to reach... I don't think it's gonna be getting rid of Lamar Jackson, but they need to re-sort a bunch of stuff out. At one point, you have to look at it and just say, Derek Henry, it's not really working out well. I don't know. He's got a fumbling problem and I don't think they're not using them right sometimes. Like at the end of that game. one that game they put Derek Henry back in. So what's the point of having them on your team if you're not gonna actually... You know what mean? Like I'm sick and tired of seeing you have the elite athlete there and is like well it wasn't the right situation. Then why did you bring him in in the first place? Yeah, yeah, exactly. speaker-1 (46:11.806) Exactly. You bring them in to pound the ball and finish games and then you don't do that and then you don't win. And like Snoop Hintley reminds me exactly like Lamar. So the game style does not change. Put your best players on the field and let them execute. I know we're getting ahead of ourselves right now, but it's like, I'm just getting to the point where we're talking about shuffling in the off season. A lot of things are going to happen through Dolphins. And I wouldn't be surprised if Dolphins, the Ravens, Cowboys. You're getting excited. speaker-0 (46:46.926) Browns can't really do much Vikings might make some moves Titans might make some moves Jets need to make moves Raiders need to make moves Jets need to make some moves. speaker-1 (46:58.734) What do mean, Gino's so good? blame it on him. I'm just saying like looking at that a lot of things are gonna happen. It's gonna it's running through the Dolphins and it might shake up the whole. yeah. speaker-1 (47:11.704) Well, it's like dominoes. It's like when, like the first coach gets fired. Yes. When a good coach gets fired, everyone's like, we should fire a coach and get that guy. Yeah, yeah. And then it just trickles down. speaker-0 (47:26.986) So, all right, bills at Browns, 23 to 20. This is too close of a game for the bills. I don't care, like, yeah, we can do it, should there time and all that. It was not should there a time, but. was. speaker-1 (47:41.474) No, he didn't play that great. Miles Garrett is still one second away from. I know he got half a sack. Did you see it in the touch up? When Josh Allen ran back for like 20 yards and like almost gave up a safety and like kept his arm just out of the end zone, which arguably saved the game. But yeah, he got half a sack for that because they were like, well, I mean, that's because the way the sacks work, they have to clean the sacks at the end of the game. Yes. Yes. speaker-1 (48:12.862) And so the other guy was like, nah, like that was both of us. Like I get that I touched him and you didn't, but like it is both of us. But yeah, that game should not have been like that. that those types of games, that's a layup for the bells. I don't care if we're talking about Miles Garrett, you know, trying to... Well that's the thing with the Browns though, like their offense can be complete shambles all the time, but their defense is really good. So your offense still has to play well or it's going to be a close game. And Chedur played well enough for that game. To make it to the Pro Bowl. speaker-0 (48:52.814) Probe is narrated by the fans, let's be honest. He's number one in Pro Bowl votes. I don't know what you're talking about. He was before this week After playing three games. He was the number one in Pro Bowl. He sold the most jerseys this year This doesn't make sense Week. speaker-0 (49:11.128) Well, when Sanders is your last name, what do you expect? That's true, but also like, that just goes to show you how fed up the Browns were with their whole quarterback situation that like every year like, we're buying New Jersey's. Like I would love to see a Browns fans closet. That's just a time capsule. Yeah, there's 40, what, 42 different quarterbacks. Yeah. So if you're a fan of the Browns, depending on when you became a fan, every year it's a New Jersey. And it's not even like, it could be the same colorway for every single one of them. It's just a different quarterback. So next one, LA Chargers at the Cowboys, 34 to 17. You got a walk-in closet. Garbage jerseys. speaker-1 (49:51.533) Yeah. Yeah. speaker-1 (50:01.518) Hey, the Chargers are getting it together near the end of the year. Yeah, they're getting it together when they need it. And I think a lot of that has to do with the attitude and culture that Harbaugh is getting into these guys' heads. It's definitely changing them. I would argue that... Well, who would you say a Coach of the Year is? It's slowly getting healthier. speaker-0 (50:20.302) So, no, I'm good. speaker-1 (50:32.158) I say either Harbaugh, Ben Johnson, or... My variable. Mike Frable or why am I forgetting his name? Broncos. speaker-1 (50:52.568) Champagne. That's it. Coach of year right now, we're going to say coach of the year right now, there's no other coaches. Jones. Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson is a coach there right now, hands down with the resume, with the team, the record from last year to this year. Ben Johnson has it clear. You can argue the exact same thing as the Patriots, as Vrabel. But also Vrabel, the Pats wins, they have had a very easy schedule. Arguably the easiest schedule in quite some time. speaker-0 (51:25.932) I'm also looking at who the bears have beaten. Yeah, the bears have eaten better, T. So take that in consideration. I'm leaning more to Ben Johnson being coach of the year. Obviously we have no say in it, but looking at it, Ben Johnson is. But it's very similar situations. New head coach, second year quarterback, went from a terrible record and last in their division to near the top of their division. speaker-0 (51:54.86) The other thing you can say is Ben or Mike Vrabel could win it because we know his effects on defense as much as it's on offense. Exactly. So, but yeah. mean, it'll all depend how the year ends, really. But yeah, chargers are speaker-1 (52:14.542) But I think a Patriots-Bears Super Bowl would kind of be neat. Just for the coaches. mean, obviously we've had enough of the Patriots in the Super Bowl, but it's been a bit. It's like, you know, one dynasty closes, the other decides to come back. That's what I'm saying. All those cheese fans can dust off their Patriots jersey and head over to the clubhouse to win tickets to Boston. Go to the parade. Cowboys though only dropping 17 They're, I don't know, they're obviously out of the playoffs. speaker-0 (52:58.434) They're playing like it. They're out of the playoffs for a reason. They've had some injury problems as well this year with CDA out for basically half a year. And then when he is in some games he's non-existent. George Pickens is playing like a playing really well. Yeah, 100 % he's playing for a contract but also I think when CD-LAM is in it makes George Pickens life a lot easier. Yes. Like I think George Pickens is a super elite number two. Well, he's playing for a contract. speaker-0 (53:32.366) I'm done with that. Definitely done with that. The way I view it is, Cowboys thought that they were gonna win it this year. They thought they were gonna win the Odyssey East. They were playing like it was the beginning. And then they were playing like they didn't miss Micah Parsons. They made some moves during the trade deadline that shocked me a little bit. They were a little bit more aggressive than usual. It's definitely those time will tell moments and time told that they weren't good. speaker-0 (54:08.556) Yeah, there was a lot of telling for the Cowboys and I'm happy as an Eagles fan and Pigeons fan as well. I got two teams, they're bipolar. One week we're **** and the next week we're Pigeons. I got two teams? That's good. speaker-1 (54:28.258) We an imposter syndrome. Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing the off season with the Cowboys and seeing if they're going to be a little more aggressive and smart instead of waiting until the first week of the season to make big moves. Seeing where Pickens goes. Jerry Jones still likes the marketing too much. Stupid and hurts your team, but he likes to do it to get people hyped up for the season. He likes to do it right at the end. You're right. speaker-0 (55:00.738) But I think this year kind of kicked them in the... yeah, 100%. They might change it up, might do some moves early on. It would be smart to do some moves earlier on. big move he has to do is pickings. Just sign up. yeah. We'll see. speaker-0 (55:23.906) Jets and Saints. That's a game people for sure watched. You think we watch your watch app? No. be honest. 6 to 29 from the... Hey, there's some cool stats though that game. T-S-M Hill, first thousand receiving, thousand rushing, and thousand passing player ever. them hell. speaker-0 (55:46.658) That's the 1000. That's kind of wild. Also, the jets don't have an interception this year. saw that actually today that there's this two circles all the teams with the defense that have gotten reception and defenses that have not. Just the Jets in the middle with nothing else to say. okay, I'm sorry. I am so suckery. Jets. speaker-1 (56:12.674) They've had a few turnovers, like, ugh. How do you go from having a great defense in Detroit where like it was next man up. Your defense was great in Detroit. Had a little issues, but it was salvageable. The offense was great salvageable. But the moment you left Detroit. We knew the offense changed to a certain degree in Detroit and it's now working its way back up. But it almost like Detroit's defense got better the moment. So was it just smoke and scream that you were doing last year? Because your Jets defense is not doing anything and you can't even say, oh, you didn't have the guys. You chose to go there for those guys. It's a cultural thing. It's not necessarily always, because you have athletes, you have professionals on your team and this is the defense that you have and you're a defensive minded coach. Yeah, I don't get it. speaker-1 (57:14.978) Yeah, no, he's... And you had sauce gardener and you traded them away? Like, I don't think the jets are just. The Jets, J-E-T-S, Jets. Yeah, I'm sure they'd spell that wrong too. speaker-0 (57:29.678) If it's the Philadelphia's mayor then maybe. I bet you he could spell Jets. Alright, Bucks at Panthers 20 to 23. That's, that's, so they have, week 18 is round two of the divisional championship because they're fighting for the division. If the Bucs win next week, doesn't matter if the Panthers win or not, but if the Bucs win next week, then, or yeah, if the Bucs win next week, then it comes down to, Who wins that last game goes to the playoffs. speaker-0 (58:19.16) Who would have? Okay. It's like the Panthers are like younger brother that just pokes you and pokes you and pokes you. It's like, hey. I think they're in the same kind of position as the Jags. Everyone kind of overlooked them. They were suspect at the start of it and then they're finally crawling up. It's funny to see. But I think a lot of teams still overlook them. They're just like, they're not that good. It's going to harm them. Cause like they actually have some quality wins. Like they beat like the Rams, the Bills, like those shocking, like the Rams, the Bills, the Bucks, those are all teams that you're like, those are good teams. But I don't know. We'll see how, that division plays out. If, if the Bucks can pull it off and make it into the playoffs, they're kind of haggard. But it'd be kind of fun to see the fans. I don't think, let's be honest, I don't think either of them are gonna go very far in the. Because they'll play like the Seahawks or the Rams or. speaker-0 (59:33.518) Just looking at it right now, the Bucks are playing, well, let me rephrase this, Baker Mayfield is starting to play like Sam Darn of last year in Minnesota. Like, and I'm not saying he can't get it done, he's an elite athlete, Baker Mayfield's an elite athlete. But as a team, you guys are dropping the ball right now. Yeah. Yeah, they've just fumbled the bag. mean, it's very hard to be perfect in the NFL. get catching, making every play count, everything. Mistakes happen, but like they're having more and more mistakes. And those are those mistakes that are leaving teams in games. in the NFL. speaker-1 (01:00:23.063) and keeping the door open for teams like the Panthers to... And the Panthers are capitalizing on those opportunities. And that team, it's just young guys who are just hungry. they're only going to get better from here. Whether they do well in this playoff next year, they're building a culture. That coach there, he's doing what he needs to do. They're playing with house money, whether they do well or not. Yes. speaker-1 (01:00:52.012) Yeah, nobody expected them to do anything. No one except them in the playoffs in general and now they have a general shot there. Their type of team right now were like, I would say some teams, whether it's NFL, MLB or FIFA. There's teams out there that are just there so people can spend their money and be a fan of. And then there's teams that are like, we actually have something. We can build a team that can actually win a championship. And I think the Panthers are transitioning from just being a household name to being a true contender in the next two years. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know how sustainable it's going to be because a lot of them, they just squeak them through. I think people will pay a lot more attention to them next year. Yes. But that's what I mean. I feel like a lot of these teams, they get overlooked. And if, let's say you see... You're playing... The Panthers, then you're playing the Eagles or the Chiefs or the Bills or you overlook them. True. There's a lot of games like that where it seems like people are just looking forward to the next week and they're already counting that as a win before they've even, like they're already counting the touchdown and they've turned their head and started running before they've caught the ball. Yep. speaker-1 (01:02:29.356) and that's how they get them. So I think there's going be a little bit more attention paid to than that. I'm fully down for that. another game we can talk about is the Vikings and the Giants. Horrible game. 16 to 30. Man, there was a lot like the Giants are like every time they had a really good play there's just like and there's a flag and there's Oh pick six all the way down. speaker-1 (01:03:03.822) They're like, Fumble Recovery and I don't know, Pass or, it was just not good. But hey, they're gonna get the number one pick. They're gonna earn it. And they're gonna be really excited to watch next year. The Vikings probably know. I'm worried about Justin Jefferson. Like I said earlier, I think either him, one of the JJ's is leaving this year. Jefferson's leaving or JJ McCarthy's leaving. I think JJ McCarthy is too much reliability. He's not showing enough signs. He's like, just because you're nine doesn't mean you're 100. Like, you hear, like, it's just, it's bad. And I know we're still talking about professionals and all, but it's just like. He's not consistent. speaker-0 (01:03:54.922) I don't see the same signs or even glimpses of Sam Donald or any other coach or any other quarterback that's been in Minnesota. He doesn't look like an elite quarterback. He looks like an athletic guy playing quarterback. Thank you. Done. Thank you. All right, we can talk about the next game. Yeah. Alright, moving forward. Reset. Another game we don't really have to talk about. She's 26. Titans needed this layout. speaker-1 (01:04:25.986) They did not. Actually, needed the opposite. They really needed a lift. She screwed another team at it, getting a better draft pick. They need it to lose. speaker-1 (01:04:37.614) But did you see the, well, Gartner mentioned you, Torres ACL. He's out. Week 15, Terry ACL. Week 16, Terry ACL. Next week, Terry ACL again. You know what? I don't wish that on anyone. I speaker-1 (01:04:57.046) Yeah, I... But did you see the ref's calls at the end of that game to like force the under to happen? Simmons reported, like he walked in and was like, hey, yeah, hey, me, I'm reporting, hi. And they were like, yep, that guy, yep, he's reporting, yep, you got that, yep, we're good. I think speaker-1 (01:05:24.44) Flag, that guy didn't report. Like, what? It's almost like there's gambling with the refs. We said it on the previous episode. It's almost like there's hundreds of millions of dollars on the line every game. those little calls make a giant difference. But yikes. huh. speaker-0 (01:05:47.148) I feel bad for Garminchi though, Terry's ACL. Yeah, that porn star is, it's just, yeah, he's gonna get screwed now. And not even in a good way. But hey, good for the times. It's good for those young guys to. I do, he's such a good guy. speaker-1 (01:05:58.904) That was. speaker-1 (01:06:02.638) Not in a fun way, that's for sure. speaker-1 (01:06:12.396) get a win over a team that like, I realize they're like, yeah, they're a shell, they're reeling, they're looking rough, but at the same time, at least you can still beat that team. Like, it would suck if they beat you and you're like, man, we can't even beat them when they have absolutely nothing. How could we ever beat them when they're good? to show their souls. speaker-0 (01:06:36.778) All right. Jakes at Denver 34 to 20. That was a good one. That was a good game. I really thought Denver was going to win. Because I've been saying all year, they just played well enough to the competition. I've been waiting for this shoe to fall so long. And then Jags did it. speaker-1 (01:06:59.458) They couldn't keep up. Like they actually got a lot of sacks. They still got five sacks. They're still on pace to beat the 85 Bears in an extra game, but still. Difference is so that speaker-1 (01:07:14.798) Which is surprising because you don't go, the Broncos are an elite defense. It's surprising. yeah, Trevor Lawrence has been playing out of his mind. know we touched on that a little bit earlier, but he's been playing out of his mind for the two games. Which is nice to see. Especially going into the playoffs. Yeah, because now it's just like we're looking at the Jags now in the playoffs and like, yeah, we're always looking at Denver in the playoffs. And it's like, wow, it's just like this. The AOC is so different this year compared to previous years where like I'm enjoying this. This is going to be a really good playoff for a lot of people. Yeah, it's going to be exciting and refreshing. Yeah, because it's so unpredictable no one knows what's gonna happen the AFC and no one knows it's gonna happen in NFC and Seeing like teams like the Jags doing what they're doing and they're doing it under the radar People are now paying attention because Jags just made playoffs. Seems like, damn, we gotta pay attention to those guys. speaker-0 (01:08:18.658) let's look at their tape and so forth. So. Yeah, I It's super exciting to see. Falcons at Cardinals 26 to 19. Dijon Robinson broke 2,000 all-purpose yards. That's crazy. Yeah. That is crazy. So he's obviously he's gonna be first or second round picks in fantasy football next year. speaker-1 (01:08:37.473) He's a... speaker-1 (01:08:43.017) I was alright. He was like a second round pick in his rookie year. Yeah, he was that good. It was just the uncertainty of the quarterback. Yeah, if the Falcons got it together, think the... If the whole Falcons actually played well, then he would be completely elite. I mean, he is elite now, but he would just be even better. Okay, so you say Bijan is elite. I think they click a lot better with Kirk Cousins because he's making Kyle Pitts and somehow consistent. speaker-0 (01:09:21.198) What's your opinion on call pits now because I said last week that you should bench them I don't know, right? I know, it's such a crap shoot. Because usually what happens with Kyle Pence is one week he you play. He's like, you play like. But the Kyle Pitts roller coaster right now, he's riding high. He's not like four good weeks in a row. Like one was a crazy week, but like four weeks over 10 points in a row. Like he's got another like 15 points this week. like. Yes. speaker-0 (01:09:54.774) And then, yeah. And then we look at the other side of the ball, it's just like, well, we know Cardinal's gonna need a new quarterback. And unfortunately Marvin Harris Jr. has been in. the kernels are mess. speaker-1 (01:10:09.58) He's been a big letdown. There's no signs of him playing well. There's flashes of it, but then it'll be a big flash of it, but then he'll drop the ball. But like, he's not even like, he's not an elite quarter or wide receiver. He's just adequate. I don't think he's a one. speaker-0 (01:10:29.772) It's not even that too. Yeah, he's, I would say he's a... He's a glorified slot receiver right now. And I love slot receivers because they're underrated. He's a water receiver for when you need him. Yeah. speaker-1 (01:10:46.606) I think if he was getting, if he was a number two, he would probably look a lot better. Okay. But unfortunately, they don't have the same quarterback situation. Like Jacoby Percent slings it, but like at the same time, he's not an all-star. So the ball placement isn't exactly where it needs to be. So he's having to make a lot of these different, harder catches than they need to be. But yeah, no, he's not playing to the way everyone is expecting. Also he had, what is this? appendix removed? Yeah. Yeah. So like mid-season, which kind of sucks. well. Good old Falcons, always sending us upsets, but... How come they're just playing spoiler? speaker-0 (01:11:43.416) Sure. I mean, I guess not spoiler because the Cardinals didn't really need the win and kind of just Well, actually they're playing spoiler now for the Rams Because the Rams have the graphic. Yes Yes, yes, yes, like that. Alright, that mix is exciting. speaker-0 (01:12:06.274) The next team I'm going to talk about, their jerseys are perfect for this week. Raiders versus the Texans. Those are the most Christmas jerseys. Man, I love those ones. Those red helmets are fire. I like that. Raiders dropped 21, Texas 23. That defense is fire. What's going on with that offense? Nothing. They do not have a running back. Nope. speaker-1 (01:12:38.392) They had, I don't know, they had, who was their, who's their number two? He was playing really well last year and then he blew his knee up. No, not Nico. Nico? One second, I'll figure it. That's gonna bug me. yeah, no, they're just not, their offense is just not good. Their defense is incredible. Yeah, it's playing so well, but their offense is just not, you're like, yes, take that. The difference is a shock. speaker-0 (01:13:11.576) kicked out. speaker-0 (01:13:15.214) or Jayden Higgins or Jalen Nowell. No, was thinking take off. But their offense is not doing anything. Like Dick Chubb, he's been in and out, not playing well. They got him. Marks has taken over number one though. But he's not even doing anything. I know they have have Mixon sitting on the back burner because he hurt his foot doing something stupid. speaker-1 (01:13:43.704) But we'll see what happens if and when he comes back. That could be a game changer for them. It might bring some consistency back to the offense. But then the Raiders are the Raiders, like Tom Brady just collecting a paycheck for being part of. That's what they need. speaker-1 (01:14:01.15) Yeah, the Raiders are just in. It's a New coach, new quarterback, new culture. They have to start over again and they just started. Hey, on the bright side, there's probably some pretty good coaches that are gonna get fired. That's true. We saw some highlights this week from Jay T. Jay T played kind. Yeah, he was playing pretty decent. He had one catch and run that was pretty good. speaker-0 (01:14:27.518) glimpse so we'll see what happens next year once they fix that culture if they can salvage it. They need to do that. They need to get a couple of receivers. At least they have some good draft picks, we'll see. If you're a Raider fan, you have hope. You'll be like what I call, you'll be one of those brand teams where like you're there for them to be a good fan and enjoy the players that you have. Not like a lot of hope, but like there's hope. speaker-1 (01:14:56.942) There's always gotta be a little hope when you have Tom Brady in your front office. No question about it. So there's that. They got that going for them at least. Steelers at Lions, 29 to 24. And we all thought the Lions had this but their secondary is just in shambles slowly Like as soon as if if a running back Jalen Jane Warren broke through twice for 45 yard touchdowns As soon as he gets through like DK blocks two guys at once after punching a fan speaker-0 (01:15:26.136) Atrocious. Absolutely atrocious. speaker-0 (01:15:49.806) We won't That ref though at end of the game calling it was a touchdown. What a tease. don't do that to us. It was not a touchdown due to the fact that there was a pass interference on the putt. Don't say it was a touchdown, however. Man, why? That was wrong. Detroit was robbed. There's no and ifs buts. Detroit was robbed. They were and they weren't. They should have won, but there was enough plays that they didn't deserve. speaker-0 (01:16:37.41) Yeah, I can agree to that. Like you can't say, we were robbed when your defense is getting burnt that bad. I'm still saying the wrong thing. yeah, no, they were like... That was arguably pass interference. like, pass interference, two plays in a row, both on touchdown plays, both for the win. So, I don't know. It sucks for the Lions fans, because that might keep them out of the playoffs. It's probably going to get Detroit, or Detroit, the Steelers into the playoffs. Because they don't have to win anymore to get their nine and eight record. speaker-0 (01:17:20.35) I It's crazy. Again. Like, my god. Tomlin's doing it again. Just doing enough to get into the playoffs and. The is blue, the government wants their taxes, and Thailand will get nine wins. This is why he will never be fired. I don't know, they lose the next two games, we're just totally in the cards. possible. speaker-1 (01:17:48.364) Then they lose in the first round of the playoffs. I still think he's gone. You could put some money on the side about it. Yeah, I... I honestly think the Steelers fans are getting fed up with nine and eight. Yeah, but... speaker-1 (01:18:07.502) Like yes, you don't have a losing record. But how many wins do you have? Yeah, no, I don't know. We'll see. Sometimes the roller coaster is a lot more fun than that. We won't know though, we won't know until what happens for the rest of the week when we find out about DK. Until we know if he's suspended. feel like he's suspended for at least a game. speaker-0 (01:18:37.792) If he is, he punched a fan, he might get longer. We don't know, but without DK, we seek Kenneth Gainwell to stop going on. Yeah. speaker-1 (01:18:50.062) He's on my fantasy team. But we don't necessarily know what happens when you take DK out because the focus goes away from DK and then Gainwale can get through up. So then this person can get that. I mean he is a running back. I think it's interesting that they're all like, yeah he's the best hands on the team, but he's a running back. That's just crazy. But I don't know, we'll see. Good for Aaron Rogers getting back into the playoffs. So after a little stint in New York. It's disappointing for everybody. We all have high hopes. speaker-0 (01:19:25.442) But we can get to the game of the week, Patriots at Ravens. I would love to say that was actually the game of the week. Yeah, I don't think the game of the week was like the first two games of week. I know, I know. No. But Patriots needed this win. They needed a comeback win. Derek Henry is a shell of himself. Even after last year, like the fumble-itis that he's having this year, he's not consistent. Zay Flowers playing reckless, playing like it's high school football when it's actually at the NFL. Obviously, we talked a little bit about Lamar Jackson. That's not good. speaker-0 (01:20:03.756) Yeah, he can't get it done, but it is what it is, but. He's having a rough year. I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs just because, and even if they do, I don't think he's gonna play well. His speed dropped like, I think they said like four or five miles an hour. True. One second. But I don't know, the Patriots are looking good. Like I know they haven't beat a ton of quality opponents, but you can only play your schedule, right? And if you can't beat the teams on your schedule, you end up like the Bengals and you're out of the playoffs. But Patriots are still in line for number one seed, which is pretty exciting for them. They haven't done that in long time. We'll see what plays out with the rest of the season, whether the Bills can somehow get ahead of them in the standings. But I think the Patriots might win that division. Because, I mean, week 18. speaker-1 (01:21:19.374) One of them is going to be playing the Jets and the other is going to be playing the Dolphins. So like, we don't even have to count those games. No, you don't have to. So it just depends if the Bills can beat the Eagles this week. speaker-1 (01:21:33.088) Otherwise, if the Bills can't beat the Eagles this week, then the Patriots are the number one seed. So talking about that, if the egos beat the... Or not number one seed, but they'll win the division. don't know what you mean. Bills win, sorry, Bills lose. Does that automatically make Mike Rable coach of the year? speaker-1 (01:22:00.494) I think there's a strong argument for it. think it's going to either... it's going to one of the three. Three or four. speaker-1 (01:22:23.084) Bears, Ben Johnson, or Harbaugh. because all three of them have done a lot. I feel like there's another coach I'm thinking of who's had a crazy year. But no, I think it's those three. They're the big ones. Yeah, because we know who's getting fired, but we also know who... Yeah, tenants are fancy. We know who should get fired. speaker-1 (01:22:54.966) I still think it'd be good if the Bengals drop Zach Taylor and got Stefanski. Yeah, because then Sir Fancy is going to coach like he wants revenge on. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be sick and he can make sure. Against that. I'll speaker-1 (01:23:19.303) Yeah. Be interesting. Very interesting. Alright, so with that being said, we have the 49ers in the Colts. Can grandpa get the Colts back into the playoffs? No, the answer is no. Yeah, the 49, well they're not 100 % healthy. They're still down two of their best defensive players. Be honest. No, it's the 49ers. They're healthy. speaker-0 (01:23:43.084) Understandable, but it's like the 49ers are now Thanos from Marvel's universe. They're just getting their rigs back. The inevitable is going to be inevitable. They're inevitable. speaker-1 (01:23:56.462) Yeah, they're just slowly coming back. It's a culture. It's how the opera is. We know that during the season they are going to be an injury-ridden team. Because they play hard. And I think, well, I mean, when your defensive coordinator used to be a head coach, like when all of your coordinators are head coach level coaches, that makes a big difference in your organization. Like there's levels and all of their coaching staff are just under head coach. If I was any of the coaches in San Francisco right now, I'd say there's no point trying to lead to starting your own. speaker-1 (01:24:44.448) No, especially when like some of them have done it. and got screwed over in the long run. Like Robert Sala, great coach. He just decided to go to the Jets. Jets are just one of the teams where you go to end your career, unfortunately. So. Yeah. Yeah, that was true. Black hole. speaker-1 (01:25:05.112) Yeah. Well, at he got, he could suck it up and go back to San Francisco who welcomes him with open arms and they're like, yeah, you can run our defense. Yeah. Cause you somehow got to a handful of wins with the Jets, which is obviously not good. Yeah. speaker-0 (01:25:25.006) It just also shines light that maybe the Jets were wrong when they fired Robert Sala and it was actually Aaron Rodgers and that culture. There was a lot more issues going on, but yeah. For me, I think the 49ers are definitely gonna walk over the Colts, even with Grandpa being the quarterback. It's nice that at least he can coach Anthony Richardson. That's a key thing. He has that. They're get that, Daniel Jones is there, but actually the score right now is 14-14. That's kind of wild. speaker-0 (01:26:05.55) Well for my my picks I just need 49 support through and then I should win so Yeah The only two games I got wrong were Denver and Detroit actually? wow. speaker-1 (01:26:18.926) Wow. That's why you're so mad about those games. I had every other game correct. I picked Seattle because I thought Seattle was gonna actually win it again. yeah, I will have a really good week this week So other than that anything well first off, let's say Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. So other Crazy. speaker-1 (01:26:31.906) Cheers on you. speaker-1 (01:26:41.166) Merry Christmas everybody, this should be coming out right around... Right around tomorrow? Right around the holidays? So come on, we'll come back tomorrow. speaker-0 (01:26:50.958) So the next time you'll see us, it'll be our last Monday Night Live. Last Jersey giveaway. It's been, well let's say it, it's been 16 weeks. So we've been doing this for 16 weeks, we've spent four months. Hey, if it wasn't for Going For Two, we wouldn't be here, so. It's been a wild ride. speaker-1 (01:27:04.419) Yeah. speaker-1 (01:27:11.042) Hey, out to those guys. Shout out to Clubhouse. Shout out to Powerhouse for these delicious beers. Hey, every Monday Every Monday, 4.50. Fun fact, when in January after we do our few episodes, it'll be nice to see us little pivot a little bit due to the fact that we will have a lot more amateur boxers doing interviews with us. I had a feeling. I was waiting for the announcement so bad. speaker-0 (01:27:42.744) You're here heard first here on this podcast. I will be fighting As long as everything goes well, I will be fighting May 3rd for another event of punch out MS episode 3 So round 3 for me if you know the reference So I will be fighting so I'll be doing a little bit more promotions with the punch out team to get them we'll have the chair on our podcast. We'll have some amateur bachelors that are trying to get in and we'll just have like a little brief interview with them and get a little bit of insight. So when we're not going to be talking about football, we're still going to be talking about getting off the bench and how people from the community are getting involved. So it'll be a great pivot for our podcast as well. Yeah, I think it's fantastic way to pivot. And I'm excited to see that again. Last time you were fighting, I sat next to your mom and it was hilarious. Hey, you know what? speaker-0 (01:28:39.438) So maybe I'll bring my mom. She's a great lady. Bring your mom on the bar. We're gonna, we should do that all Mother's Day, Mother's Day special. We'll see. Plan this out live stream. I definitely do that. speaker-0 (01:28:56.878) A lot of things are working out right now. Training camp starts in January, so we'll definitely get a lot more people involved from the boxing community on the podcast and expanded that way. As well as we're also talking about Super Bowl. Let us know if you're interested in going to potentially Super Bowl winning team parade. Reach out to us. We'll have a lot of other prizes going on as well. we're partnering up with Clubhouse to make sure that this year's a great year at Clubhouse. Yeah, it's gonna be a wild Super Bowl. I am looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to a great Superbowl. I'm looking forward to a great partnership that we have with Clubhouse. On that note, should we wrap it up? Let's give a, we gotta get out there, give away this jersey. Somebody's getting a Jordan Love jersey. speaker-0 (01:29:52.536) So don't miss out. Next week's our last week of giving out of jerseys. You don't wanna miss that. Peace. Don't miss it.