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- 0:00Brake Fix's History of Motorsports series is brought to you in part
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- 0:07Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
- 0:11Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.
- 0:16Follow the money.
- 0:17Formula One's financial support as cultural indicator.
- 0:20By Elton G McGowan, Elton Skip McGowan is an emeritus professor of finance at
- 0:25Bucknell university and a former visiting professor of the university of Montenegro.
- 0:30He has presented and published on both finance history and automobile
- 0:34history and culture and served as area chair of the vehicle culture section
- 0:38of the popular culture association.
- 0:40Skip examines formula one on track and on vehicle sponsorships through the post
- 0:45world war two period to show the evolution of the cultural appeal of the series.
- 0:50The title of this presentation is Follow the Money, which is a very
- 0:54familiar investigation approach.
- 0:57You know, if you really want to know what's going on beneath the surface.
- 1:02follow the money.
- 1:04My observation has been that within motor racing, at least one
- 1:08transaction that appears to be ubiquitous is pay and display.
- 1:13So on the one hand, you have companies providing racing groups with some
- 1:18form of compensation and exchange.
- 1:21They're allowed to display their name.
- 1:24It's impossible to believe that anyone isn't aware of this phenomenon.
- 1:31Had they not closed the blinds, you could either look at this slide, or
- 1:35you could look out the windows and see numerous banners and billboards.
- 1:42Now, what's interesting about this are a couple of things.
- 1:45First is, if you look at historic photos from the French Grand Prix
- 1:49of 1908, there are billboards.
- 1:53And there have always been billboards at races.
- 1:57If you look at what's on the billboards, okay, so this is a Formula One event.
- 2:04You have an advertisement for a shipping company, DHL.
- 2:08You have a large international bank, UBS.
- 2:12You have an insurance company, Allianz, and it looks here like you even have
- 2:17a consumer electronics and appliance company, LG, none of which appear to have
- 2:23any direct connection with the company.
- 2:25Motor racing.
- 2:26And in fact, I have to admit, I've been looking out the
- 2:28window since I've been here.
- 2:30And I can't figure out what go bowling has to do with motor racing either.
- 2:37Another location for advertising now is on a tire.
- 2:42This was apparently a relatively recent phenomenon.
- 2:46I mean, we had billboards and banners for a long time.
- 2:49And it took quite a while before we started seeing anything like this.
- 2:54And it appears to have started out, and this is based upon just looking
- 2:57over some historical photos, with just a small name on the chest.
- 3:02Kind of like, I think, Eric was wearing yesterday with Pirelli.
- 3:05And then it seems that it's evolved into something that's pretty
- 3:10extraordinary from a fashion point of view or a functional point of view.
- 3:16I'll go back to this.
- 3:17And I noticed Eric is kind of following this trend this morning.
- 3:20I noticed at least two, Mobile and Porsche.
- 3:24Finally, what everyone has observed after it became legal in the late
- 3:2860s, we see the logos and names on the automobiles pretty much everywhere
- 3:35it's possible for them to be.
- 3:37And again, as with the attire.
- 3:39It's a little hard to imagine just what the point of something like that is.
- 3:45You know, it's clearly not something that could ever be
- 3:47seen from any sort of distance.
- 3:50The location of these advertisements really does pose
- 3:53some interesting questions.
- 3:55Why do companies do this?
- 3:56Obviously, they think that they must be obtaining some sort of benefit from it.
- 4:01What are the potential benefits that a company might receive from these displays?
- 4:06The obvious one is kind of a traditional marketing benefit, attract new customers.
- 4:12Without having interviewed the folks at Martini and Rossi, this was one
- 4:16of the earliest consumer products to be advertised in Formula One.
- 4:20And one of the assumptions, or at least part of my speculation, first of all,
- 4:25they're an alcoholic beverage company.
- 4:27Perhaps they assumed that the audience for Formula One consisted of people
- 4:32who drank alcoholic beverages.
- 4:35You know, which may not be an inappropriate stereotype at the time.
- 4:39However, they weren't drinking their alcoholic beverages.
- 4:43Perhaps they thought that by advertising in Formula One, they could convince
- 4:48some of those folks in the stands to give a different drink a try.
- 4:52Okay, so attracting new customers.
- 4:54A second, more or less traditional marketing rationale
- 4:59is to retain current customers.
- 5:01It's very difficult for me to believe that anyone in the audience for this Formula
- 5:07One event did not know about Red Bull.
- 5:10and had not already made a decision whether to drink Red Bull or not.
- 5:16However, you can imagine that maybe what Red Bull is looking for in something like
- 5:21this is that if the folks in the audience are fantasizing taking the checkered
- 5:27flag, you know, standing on the podium, even though they don't have the car,
- 5:33they could have a can of Red Bull and that this can of Red Bull becomes part
- 5:37of this image, part of this fantasy.
- 5:40And maybe they might have more than one, hopefully not so many that
- 5:44they're going to have heart seizures.
- 5:46Now, I took a look at Google Scholar to see if any work had been done in
- 5:51this area and it appeared to me that most of what people have written about
- 5:54has been more or less traditional.
- 5:56You look at sponsorship of Formula One, you see if revenue increased,
- 6:02if the stock price increased, if brand awareness increased.
- 6:06It was very, very conventional.
- 6:08I think there are different benefits from something like this that perhaps explains
- 6:15some of the questions I posed earlier.
- 6:18Now I'm calling this social benefits, and if you want to kind of summarize
- 6:23this in a smaller phrase, it's the opportunity to hang with the cool kids.
- 6:28So you sponsor a Formula One team, you know, you get to shake hands
- 6:33with the drivers, you get to pose for pictures with them, you get invited
- 6:39to attend the receptions, okay, there are certain benefits to that.
- 6:43These benefits might be for you personally.
- 6:45Keep in mind, I mean, these are companies.
- 6:47Presumably they do have to answer to investors.
- 6:50But of course, this is an opportunity to take clients and customers along with you.
- 6:54And something like this would be very, very impressive.
- 6:57And I use this as an example.
- 6:59I don't know if any of you have heard of Footwork, but Footwork
- 7:02was a Japanese logistics company.
- 7:04And like some of these other sponsorships that you see, it's really hard to see any
- 7:08really direct connection with Footwork.
- 7:11Formula One racing, but on the other hand, you can imagine that the
- 7:14customers of footwork would be fans of racing and would be interested in
- 7:19going to these events and having their photos taken with the principles.
- 7:23Another benefit, and I may be.
- 7:26Mistaken in referring to this as political benefits.
- 7:30But the idea is that there's something else going on, not necessarily related
- 7:36directly to business activities.
- 7:38Early on, there was certainly a very significant nationalism
- 7:43component to racing.
- 7:44So you could see in a situation like that, an Italian company might
- 7:49want to be showing its patriotism or its political commitment by
- 7:54advertising at an event like that.
- 7:56or advertising on a vehicle in that event.
- 7:59Another one, and this occurred to me when I was watching the films on Thursday
- 8:02night, you know, we had the Sprint cars with a lot of advertisements on
- 8:06them of companies I had never heard of.
- 8:09And I thought, well, maybe it's kind of a way for the company to show
- 8:12its kind of more personal support.
- 8:15For a customer, okay, so that they're willing to donate in a way to their
- 8:20venture and not just sell them a product.
- 8:22Of course, you could also look at this as being kind of a product discount as well.
- 8:26But the reason I've used Parmalat here is that Parmalat is an Italian,
- 8:30I believe, dairy products company.
- 8:31And again, you're thinking like, you know, what's the connection?
- 8:34And I think maybe at this time a Parmalat was trying to become a conglomerate.
- 8:39They wanted their name to be known to potential investors,
- 8:45you know, when they're looking to finance their acquisitions.
- 8:48So this is a way of getting their name out there.
- 8:51That may seem a little elusive, but I'll explain a little more in just a second.
- 8:55And another one, and I think this is becoming increasingly important,
- 8:59is the idea of brand image.
- 9:01So we have The company Palantir, which as near as I've been able to figure
- 9:07out, is a data mining company trying to extract something from large databases.
- 9:12I've never heard of their name in conjunction with motor racing.
- 9:16Usually Palantir is associated with the Department of Homeland
- 9:19Security, with a central intelligence agency, but here they are.
- 9:24Talent here.
- 9:25Ferrari team partner.
- 9:27Interestingly, two days ago I was looking at the CNN website and there was an
- 9:32identical banner on the website to this.
- 9:36Same photo, same everything, different company.
- 9:40But again, a technology company.
- 9:42One thing that I've looked at in the past is the importance
- 9:46of making something tangible.
- 9:48Humans deal with physical objects.
- 9:51And obviously a company like Palantir is intangible.
- 9:56And I'm wondering if making the technology association with Ferrari gives them
- 10:01some sort of visual substance or visual picture to their clients and customers.
- 10:08Let me digress just a little bit.
- 10:09I had a friend from Germany visiting a week ago, and I told him I was
- 10:13coming up to the conference and he said, Oh, what are you going to do?
- 10:16And I'm making a presentation and I told him about the presentation.
- 10:19So he told me a story.
- 10:20My friend is with a German biotech company in Munich.
- 10:25This biotech company, it's very small, it has a very specialized product.
- 10:29What they produce are delivery systems for drugs.
- 10:34You know, drugs can't all be administered in the form of a pill.
- 10:38It can be a very, very.
- 10:40very difficult process to get the chemical into the body
- 10:44and get it to the right place.
- 10:45And this is what his company does.
- 10:47So, the customer for his company are drug companies.
- 10:51So, they hire this company to develop delivery systems for their
- 10:57new experimental drugs, which is really way far removed from anything
- 11:02individuals are familiar with, and certainly far removed from sport.
- 11:06Now, he was able to use company money to make a contribution to a
- 11:13participant in a race called, and I think it's called Funderglob.
- 11:17It's a solo around the world sailing race.
- 11:22That occurs every four years.
- 11:24One of the reasons I think he made this contribution from his company,
- 11:28he obviously had the influence to do this, is that he's a sailor.
- 11:32So he kind of liked the idea.
- 11:33But the other reason is, Fond du Globe, I understand, is largely a
- 11:37French So most of the contestants are French, but it's held every four years.
- 11:44And four years ago, a German contestant participated and did
- 11:48really well, apparently ended up in the top five out of about 30.
- 11:52And this got huge publicity within Germany.
- 11:55And he thought it might be good to sponsor this race because another German who
- 12:02was from Bavaria was going to compete.
- 12:05What's interesting is I don't know that he anticipated the consequences, but
- 12:10one thing that happened is that as a result of the sponsorship, his company's
- 12:15representative in France, was invited to a reception where she was photographed
- 12:21with the German contestant in this race.
- 12:25And this photo ended up prominent in German media.
- 12:30You know, saying, okay, here's a representative from Sirion Biotech.
- 12:35So, that answered my question as to what the point of all those
- 12:45things on the jackets were.
- 12:47Is it so when someone gets photographed with a driver, they can see on the
- 12:53driver the logo for their company.
- 12:56Now, the other interesting thing about this story about my friend is
- 13:01that at the time They were in the process of kind of selling themselves.
- 13:06They were looking for a larger company to take them over.
- 13:09And what he found was their association with this race
- 13:15turned out to be significant.
- 13:17Potential acquirers that they were talking to thought it was pretty cool that the
- 13:22company was associated with this race.
- 13:25And the thing is, you never know what people are going to bond
- 13:29over or what's going to be an interesting topic of conversation.
- 13:33So rather than having to talk about antibodies, they were able to talk about
- 13:38I'm going to talk a little bit about sail racing, that story that he told
- 13:43me really gave me some insights into what might really be going on here,
- 13:47that this association can have very valuable, yet very indirect benefits,
- 13:53so that all of those little logos.
- 13:56on the car are not going to be visible to customers if any customer ever cares about
- 14:02them, but they provide other downstream benefits that can be extremely valuable.
- 14:07I thought, well, it seems as if there's an evolution of sponsorships and advertising.
- 14:14It's kind of gone through a series of changes.
- 14:18Originally, racing was an important means of advertising the automobiles themselves.
- 14:24But what I found to be interesting here is that in the 1950s, that
- 14:29really wasn't so much the case.
- 14:31Maybe it was because the cars had deviated so much from anything that
- 14:34people could actually purchase.
- 14:35So if you look at photos from Formula One cars from the 1950s,
- 14:40I saw only two, maybe three.
- 14:43that had a logo, and it wasn't very prominent.
- 14:46You know, Mercedes had the star, Maserati had the trident in the grille,
- 14:51and I think I saw a Ferrari logo.
- 14:56The only other thing was, you could spot the Gordinis by the shape of the grille.
- 15:00They weren't really advertising the car so much, but as you can tell from
- 15:04the billboard in the background, most of the advertising had to do with
- 15:08various sorts of automotive products.
- 15:10Petroleum products, tires, spark plugs, those sorts of things.
- 15:15The next stage was really Tobacco advertising.
- 15:19Now, I think there were two reasons for this.
- 15:20One reason is there were fewer and fewer places where tobacco
- 15:24was allowed to be advertised.
- 15:25And in fact, in some cases, it wasn't even allowed to be
- 15:28advertised on the automobiles.
- 15:29In some countries, tobacco companies are looking for a
- 15:32place to advertise their product.
- 15:34Here's where the stereotypes might come in.
- 15:37You know, I mentioned before, stereotype that maybe the Formula One audience
- 15:40at the time Well, maybe there was also a stereotype that the Formula One
- 15:46audience at the time was more likely to smoke than the general population,
- 15:51whether that was accurate or not.
- 15:53So they had to find someplace to advertise.
- 15:55They chose this possibly because of the audience and also because they were able
- 16:00to paint the car to look like their pack of cigarettes, which was pretty exciting.
- 16:05And I don't know of any cigarettes that were green.
- 16:07Then As Formula One apparently became more popular and had a much broader audience,
- 16:13you started seeing advertisements for generic consumer products.
- 16:17And by generic, I mean did not necessarily appeal to a unique market segment.
- 16:23That pretty much most people would be in the market for this sort of thing.
- 16:28You know, most people would be out and thinking about
- 16:30purchasing a camera, for example.
- 16:32Then from there, It kind of moved more into upscale products.
- 16:37They were targeting what would probably consider maybe more wealthy people.
- 16:42Okay, so you see HSBC advertising.
- 16:46You see WorldCom advertising.
- 16:48Again, I'm not sure at the time how many of WorldCom's products actually
- 16:52were under the name WorldCom.
- 16:53People purchase cell service.
- 16:55People purchase telephone service.
- 16:57I don't know if they know about WorldCom.
- 16:59And I don't know much about beer.
- 17:01I always associated BEX with being a little cut above.
- 17:04This was not bug.
- 17:05So we see them advertising more upscale consumer products.
- 17:09And then, of course, what we see nowadays is astonishing, is
- 17:14advertisements for technology companies.
- 17:17And again, you can maybe make an argument that these were
- 17:20suppliers in some form or another.
- 17:22I'm not so sure.
- 17:23Okay, so in this case, you do see Palantir.
- 17:25You see Amazon Web Services.
- 17:28I looked some of these up, you know, one was like a Swiss cloud computing company.
- 17:33Okay, so these are companies you'd pretty much for the most part never
- 17:36heard of, kind of like Syrian biotech.
- 17:39So I saw this as being kind of a progression of products that were
- 17:44being sponsored and wondered what the connection was between that and the
- 17:50audience, or at least that and the company's perception of the audience.
- 17:55So do the changes in sponsorship correlate with changes in the
- 18:00Formula One audience and kind of the cultural position of Formula One?
- 18:05I thought, well, let me see if I can quantify that in some way, and honestly,
- 18:10I don't know if I had, but what I was able to do was find a Wikipedia site
- 18:16where someone had looked at every Formula One team, and by year, they had the
- 18:22constructor, and that's how it was listed.
- 18:24Then they identified what they called, at various places,
- 18:27the main sponsor, the delivery sponsor, or the principal sponsor.
- 18:31And then they had a list of all the secondary sponsors, which
- 18:35obviously was pretty extensive.
- 18:37So I thought, well, let me see who was committed enough to be a main sponsor
- 18:44for three or more consecutive years.
- 18:46In other words, they really believed in something enough to
- 18:49really make a financial commitment.
- 18:51And then what I did was I looked through and tried to classify them by industry.
- 18:56Take a quick look at who the sponsors were.
- 18:59Now, in automotive, there weren't many, where there was some sort of automotive
- 19:04automobile or automotive product associated with a different constructor.
- 19:10Now, I'm guessing that there's probably a pretty close connection between Stewart
- 19:14and Ford and between HRT and Cosworth.
- 19:16This is the one where there's probably no connection.
- 19:19And I'm thinking maybe Infinity was willing to sponsor Red
- 19:23Bull because there was no other automotive name associated with it.
- 19:28Some of the other categories, these are the ones where the constructor
- 19:32was also the principal sponsor.
- 19:35On the one hand, you can see where the automobile company itself, obviously,
- 19:39tremendous resources, is its own principal sponsor, Alfa Romeo, Honda,
- 19:45Lotus, Mercedes Benz for a time, Renault, and some of the others, you
- 19:50can see, you know, some of the more Are less well known constructors.
- 19:55Apparently couldn't get another sponsor.
- 19:57So ended up being the principal sponsor themselves.
- 19:59Here we have the consumer electronics sponsorships.
- 20:03Now again, the idea is principal sponsor three or more consecutive years.
- 20:09General consumer products.
- 20:11And it doesn't appear to be any particular product category here.
- 20:15It's quite a wide variety of companies, you know, many of which I never heard of.
- 20:20Financial companies.
- 20:22Call this oil and chemicals.
- 20:23Actually, most of it's petrochemicals.
- 20:25There are a few.
- 20:26I think this is a kind of a sugar company.
- 20:30I think Corto's, you know, is more diversified products.
- 20:34But, you know, notice most of them are petrochemicals.
- 20:36Technology companies.
- 20:38Tobacco companies.
- 20:39And here you can see, like, Marlboro, for example, sponsored in a wide variety
- 20:44of teams for extended periods of time.
- 20:46And, like, Imperial Tobacco was there for Gold Leaf, but then was
- 20:50there for John Player Specials.
- 20:52You know, there was some sort of break between these, so they didn't
- 20:56sponsor for a while, and then did.
- 20:59transportation companies or logistics companies.
- 21:02So what?
- 21:04I'm not even going to try to necessarily make sense.
- 21:07You can look at these and you can see if this really can have any connection.
- 21:12Obviously, this was very preliminary, okay?
- 21:15So, most of them, constructors, tobacco and petrochemicals, We're the largest
- 21:20sponsors, then you move into kind of consumer products, and now later into
- 21:26technology and transportation, the average beginning for these terms was
- 21:31highest for tobacco and general consumer products, and then oil and transportation,
- 21:37and later on financial technology.
- 21:40More recent phenomenon and finally length of sponsorship.
- 21:45I kind of thought this was interesting is that consumer products tended to stick
- 21:49with team for the longest period of time, but tobacco was pretty loyal constructor.
- 21:55It seemed to me that, you know, you would finance yourself until
- 21:58you could find someone else to provide the principal sponsorship.
- 22:01So as I said, I'm not sure if these numbers really justify, however, the
- 22:07claim I'm making is that this evolution of sponsorships correlates with the
- 22:13evolution of F1 as a cultural phenomenon.
- 22:171950s, F1 was appealing to a subculture.
- 22:22You know, you look at the folks here, I think there are two women
- 22:27and one child in this photo.
- 22:30Basically, it's a lot of guys, many of whom appear to be of the same age.
- 22:36It moved from subculture to more mass cultural.
- 22:39A wider range of people were coming.
- 22:41They were bringing their families.
- 22:43You could fill the stands.
- 22:45So we see the transition from the automotive products and tobacco products
- 22:50to the general consumer products.
- 22:53This is a transition I find interesting.
- 22:55And honestly, I was thinking, you know, maybe next year I ought
- 22:58to come up and do some research on the cooling of Formula One.
- 23:02So when did Formula 1 go from being a mass phenomenon to being
- 23:07associated with James Bond?
- 23:10So this was where it kind of took the leap from the general consumer products
- 23:14into kind of the higher end products.
- 23:17Interestingly, Formula 1 now is being used as a backdrop for fashion.
- 23:23It clearly has become very high end and very fashionable, although
- 23:28it does not look as if this has led to fashion sponsorships yet.
- 23:32So you don't see fashion companies putting their name on the vehicles,
- 23:36but of course, what you do see more than anything else now is this formula.
- 23:40One is the epitome of technological sophistication, and a lot of companies
- 23:45are taking advantage of that.
- 23:48Making the association and as I suggested giving some sort of tangible
- 23:53image to what is for the most part an intangible and in some cases
- 23:57almost incomprehensible product.
- 23:59It took me a while before I ever imagined what Palantir did.
- 24:02So, I think there's something here.
- 24:06Now, we just saw a presentation which was a long series of clear violations
- 24:12of the statistical principle that correlation does not imply causation.
- 24:17Just because two things happen together doesn't mean that one caused the other.
- 24:22In this case, I think that may be true.
- 24:25The audience for Formula One, or at least the stereotypes of the
- 24:29audience for Formula One, or how Formula One is viewed culturally,
- 24:33then leads companies to exploit that with appropriate sponsorships.
- 24:39Therefore, if we're interested in seeing where this is within the culture, we
- 24:45can look at this in order to do it.
- 24:47Thank you very much.
- 24:53Comment.
- 24:53Regarding sponsorship, you mentioned that Marlboro is
- 24:56there again and again and again.
- 24:57I get the impression that you don't have a sponsor ever sponsoring
- 25:01multiple teams in the same season.
- 25:03Is that correct?
- 25:04And if not, why not?
- 25:05I mean, it seems like you'd want your name splattered everywhere.
- 25:09You know, Marlboro never sponsored more than one car at the same time.
- 25:17You'd mentioned you, uh, hadn't seen a green car with tobacco sponsorship.
- 25:22Well, in North America, Cool Cigarettes was a major sponsor for almost a decade
- 25:28in Formula Atlantic and, uh, CART IndyCar.
- 25:31You started out talking, you mentioned the Go Bowling.
- 25:34I had a chance to interview the Go Bowling folks in August.
- 25:38Demographics is their big interest in NASCAR because their demographic
- 25:44in bowling are very similar to demographics of what they find.
- 25:48In NASCAR.
- 25:49And so that's why they come.
- 25:52And it's not just about being on the signage or on a car.
- 25:55They do what's called activation, which they bring a bowling alley here and set
- 26:00it up and let people get involved and the clothing and that sort of thing.
- 26:05But yeah, it's not just about your name on the car.
- 26:07It's what they call activation.
- 26:09and getting people involved and out to the track.
- 26:12You talked about cigarettes and alcohol sponsorship in the 70s.
- 26:17And you talked about, you know, the demographic, who
- 26:19they're trying to attract.
- 26:20I think it's also affected the memory of that era as well.
- 26:25In my social media streams, I'm always getting these pictures of
- 26:29James Hunt smoking and drinking.
- 26:31It seems to be that when people think nostalgically about that
- 26:34era, It's the smoking and drinking and, you know, leading to guys
- 26:38like Hunt being a little overrated.
- 26:40So anyway, I hope that doesn't offend anyone.
- 26:43Um, he kind of lucked into a championship, but that's another story.
- 26:47But I think it's also affected the memory.
- 26:49So not just the image of the time, but even how we think about the past.
- 26:53That's wonderful research, Skip.
- 26:54You're doing some great stuff there.
- 26:56I have a question about the role of the individual.
- 26:59Like, we see this in NASCAR a lot.
- 27:01A driver will come to a team with a sponsor, and that's
- 27:05where they get their job.
- 27:07And it's to the point where drivers will get fired because somebody
- 27:11else comes in with a more lucrative sponsor that's sponsoring the
- 27:15individual, not so much the team.
- 27:17They'll sponsor whatever car this guy or woman goes to.
- 27:21I'm just wondering if you saw that with Formula One.
- 27:25Because I'm thinking of someone like Lewis Hamilton.
- 27:27We were all talking about the fashion industry.
- 27:30He seems to be connected with a lot of high end clothing companies, Tommy
- 27:35Hilfiger, and then like the watch deals that so many see drivers promoting
- 27:39watches that seems to be much more personal than a team or a manufacturer.
- 27:45So just wondering if.
- 27:46There's any correlation there.
- 27:47That's clearly, that's clearly worth doing.
- 27:48As I said, the source for that information was by Constructor.
- 27:51Call me a slacker.
- 27:52I didn't go the next step to see what drivers were associated with
- 27:57those vehicles at the time and then to see whether they had an
- 28:01influence on subsequent sponsorship.
- 28:03But clearly, that would be worth doing.
- 28:05And actually, there's a wealth of PhD dissertation material here.
- 28:10There really is.
- 28:12Unfortunately, motorsports could stand to be a much more acceptable
- 28:15topic of academic research.
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