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Ep 5: Burnham's gamble, and what it leaves for the Tories

Andy Burnham used his first conference as Prime Minister to put the state pension triple lock up for grabs and open the door to a new relationship with the EU. Patrick, Peter and Gavin, who all worked at Conservative Central Office together, ask whether it was the smartest speech from a Labour leader in years or a trap he's setting for himself. Then: what Kemi Badenoch needs to do with the opening he's left her, going into her own conference in Birmingham.

And three decades of conference disasters from the people who were there for some of them: a dead parrot on a tabloid front page, a shadow…

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