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Why You’re Still Tired After a Full Night’s Sleep | Everything’s Energy Ep49 · EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

• 0:00
  Michael Scalar: You're tuned into Everything's Energy Show. I'm Michael Scalar. I have Roland here. We're gonna talk about something that's very, very important. Get on the edge of your seat or maybe the edge of your bed.
• 0:09
  Roland: I think you should lie down probably.
• 0:11
  Michael Scalar: We should probably lie down. We're gonna talk about sleep. It's one of the most important things you can do for the human body. You absolutely do need it. You start literally going insane.
• 0:19
  Do you know how long it's like after forty eight, seventy two hours, I think.
• 0:26
  Roland: Which is like three, four days?
• 0:27
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. Three or four days you literally mentally go insane.
• 0:30
  Roland: Well, twenty four hours of no sleep is like having a point o five blood alcohol content in terms of your delayed reaction times and stuff.
• 0:39
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. No. It's extremely important. People are having a lot of issues with sleep. They're taking a lot of different drugs on a regular basis to get there.
• 0:47
  I think we can talk about some natural ways to optimize your body so that you can get better sleep. I think you might be somewhat of an expert in this.
• 0:55
  Roland: I have some knowledge. I have some knowledge of how the body works.
• 0:57
  Michael Scalar: I'll go with my my normal protocol. I have a high stress lifestyle.
• 1:01
  Roland: You have historically not slept well either, have you?
• 1:04
  Michael Scalar: No. No. So I'm, again, rave DJ, after hour parties. When I was 16, I started just trying to sleep later because no one was in the morning. All my friends were, you know, everyone's a night owl.
• 1:18
  Mhmm. But actually getting to bed has historically been difficult for me. So there's been a lot of things I've tried over the years, including THC, which actually gave me a bit of a paranoid thing. So it it kind of backfires. For some people, it works.
• 1:32
  Roland: I'm the same way. I get my brain moves faster with THC. Don't like it.
• 1:35
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. I tried that. It didn't really work well for me. I found some micro dose drinks that are, like, exactly two milligrams, and part of it was just the dosing because you smoke weed, you don't know how much milligrams you're gonna get. You take a candy that I don't think they're doing a very good job at Regulating?
• 1:48
  No. I don't think they are. And a lot of times, I would, you know, eat a quarter of something, and this I don't know if they're putting it in one side
• 1:56
  Roland: of the You got the foot with all the cartridges.
• 1:58
  Michael Scalar: So I've tried it over the years to see if I could help modulate my my sleep with taking a downer. I didn't get into the pharmaceutical side of things. I know those help a lot of people who maybe are in pain or they're just, you know, willing to get addicted to To
• 2:14
  Roland: a point with those, although they help you fall asleep, the quality of the sleep you get and the restfulness and the proper sleep cycle And
• 2:21
  Michael Scalar: the addiction? Side, like, you you can't live without them.
• 2:24
  Roland: So you can sleep, but it actually doesn't facilitate rest and recovery. We can get into that.
• 2:28
  Michael Scalar: Well, and then then there's the horror stories about Ambien zombies. Like, people literally I actually knew one of my friends, their friend, took an Ambien after drinking to fall asleep and got a massive DUI. He, like, drove to Taco Bell and didn't have any recollection. Him and his wife went to bed, he got a DUI because he went to get fast food, and they they picked him up, and he just had no idea
• 2:48
  Roland: what that He went to sleep. He woke up, drove to Taco Bell, and got
• 2:52
  Michael Scalar: Sleep her sleepwalked.
• 2:54
  Roland: He he slept walked to the car.
• 2:55
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And it had no recollection. I've heard a lot of stories of these people getting on flights and, you know, they wake up tied up because they took an Ambien on the flight and turned into a zombie.
• 3:06
  Not the best thing. No. Let's For not do me, it's I found that magnesium was a really big help.
• 3:14
  Roland: Are you one of those responders to magnesium? Some people it's like
• 3:17
  Michael Scalar: Well, it's a mix. So I supplements that have, like, GABA, five HTP, like a whole concoction. So it's like a scoop of that in water. The one I I currently recommend to people is, Alpha Al Alpha Lion. It's it it's their sleep one.
• 3:33
  They they only have one. I think they have two, two flavors, but I've given that to a bunch of people who have had sleep issues.
• 3:37
  Roland: Mhmm.
• 3:38
  Michael Scalar: But it's it's like your hit list.
• 3:40
  Roland: It's got all the things. It's got Yeah. Five HTP. It's got GABA.
• 3:44
  Michael Scalar: GABA. Chamomile. Lethionine, POTS, Valerian. Yeah. Literally, the whole list.
• 3:49
  Yep. And it's the kitchen sink of sleep supplement. And so especially if I'm, like, flying in jet lag, it's super helpful or I just can't stop my mind racing, I'll take a scoop of that. Obviously, a couple glasses of red wine can help certain people, but drinking is really not a great solution
• 4:03
  Roland: help your sleep quality, though.
• 4:04
  Michael Scalar: No. It it doesn't. So, I mean, what what would you recommend?
• 4:09
  Roland: I wanna back up and just examine the state of things with sleep. We sleep, I think it's on average ninety minutes less than we did twenty five years ago. So humans have stopped prioritizing sleep. And I think it's an unconscious thing because we've become so engaged in our electronic worlds nowadays. If you are a high achieving person, there's this unconscious, well, I don't need rest.
• 4:35
  I have things to do. So I feel bad letting myself relax. But sleep is where the body recovers physically and the psychology of the person recovers at the same time. And then we have these sleep cycles. So you're supposed to have an initial drop into sleep, which is where REM is.
• 4:52
  So when you're dreaming, the rapid eye movement is what REM stands for. That's actually a shallow layer of sleep. So when you wake up out of a dream, you get jolted, you're close. And then you go through, I think it's four stages after REM into deep sleep, which is the deep restorative recovery aspects, then you go back up and you should have somewhere between five and six cycles per night uninterrupted as optimal. But most people do not sleep long enough or they wake up in the middle of the night for whatever reason.
• 5:20
  So the quality of sleep that we're getting when we are sleeping is not optimal. Secondly, sleep is really governed by something called the circadian rhythm. You've heard of this before? Yeah. So it's very simple.
• 5:31
  It's light and dark cycles as they influence physiology. When we wake up in the morning, typically peaking around six, 7AM, our cortisol levels are high and someone's like, oh, is bad. No, cortisol's job is to raise blood sugar. It's glucocorticoid and it's to wake you up and make you energetic to go out and find food and be productive during the day. As the day goes on cortisol levels should drop and inversely melatonin level should rise.
• 5:55
  Melatonin is your cycle regulating hormone that helps your body rest, recover and prepare itself for deep sleep where the reparation happens. The reason I wear these glasses is melatonin is influenced by light exposure and specifically non natural blue light, artificial blue light coming from TV screens, phones, computers, high efficiency bulbs. When you have those lights shining in your face, especially after the sun goes down, they raise your cortisol levels. They compromise the amount of melatonin that's made. So not only does your body not get restful sleep, it's stimulatory.
• 6:31
  So it's not easy to go to bed at 10:00, 11:00 when you've been staring at a screen for hours on end once the sun's gone down. Mhmm. And then the third thing is it's sleep hygiene. You're supposed to have certain variables. So a dark room.
• 6:43
  Yeah. Cold temperature. Mhmm. Consistent time going to bed. Not eating too soon before bed, not drinking too much water as it might wake you up because you have to go to the bathroom, which interrupts the quality of your sleep.
• 6:56
  So we don't prioritize these things. People just, when their day is
• 7:00
  Michael Scalar: done, they go, all right, I'm going to
• 7:01
  Roland: go to bed. They go to lie down and all of a sudden it's like, I'm awake. So I
• 7:05
  Michael Scalar: think that circadian thing kind of plays into the light coming off the phones and TVs in people's bedrooms. Hugely. Because we were just kind of having this conversation last night and was saying, he's like, oh yeah, I'm doing scrolling on my phone. I'm like, dude, as soon as you start getting tired, need to like isolate yourself from electronics.
• 7:20
  Roland: Ideally, you should not have exposure to electronics for about an hour before bed, if not more, because it's not just the light. Electronics give us a dopamine hit. So there's this stimulatory aspect and then you start to go down rabbit holes and you're just getting drawn into it and it's engaging you. It's waking you up and it's stimulating the the branch of the nervous system that actually entices, you know, adrenaline to be made and stuff. So it's our lifestyles are actually corrupting our ability to sleep with any sort of quality.
• 7:54
  And then that compounds over the course of weeks, months and years. And I do believe the one reason, one factor that we're seeing so many, chronic degenerative conditions develop is we're a sleep deprived society. Totally. Mentally when you don't sleep well, you're not your best. You're irritable.
• 8:12
  Your emotional regulation is compromised. Your critical thinking problem solving and just quickness on your feet is compromised. You're more likely to get injured. If you're active, you're more likely to get sick. So the problem with us as people, I'm not going to talk about you and I, I'm talking about society as a whole is we just don't prioritize sleep.
• 8:31
  And it's too obvious because we do it every day. We don't think like, about
• 8:37
  Michael Scalar: it's just sleep. I'll sleep
• 8:38
  Roland: when I'm dead. And guess what? You'll get to that point faster.
• 8:41
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. I have one thing I took an EMF meter to my bedroom, had a TV literally shooting across my bed, and it was massive, the amount of EMFs that come off of that. So my my new bedroom doesn't have a TV in it for that very reason because I it is insane. It is a laser beam of EMF that goes across your bed when you have a TV across
• 9:02
  Roland: why does that have a negative effect?
• 9:05
  Michael Scalar: Well, EMF is stress. Yeah.
• 9:07
  Roland: Like it's stressing the nervous system, right? Because most people hear that. They're like, I heard EMFs are bad, but if you're sleeping in a disturbing electromagnetic field, a field of information that is disharmonious to the body, the nervous system is essentially stressed while you're trying to rest.
• 9:23
  Michael Scalar: Now I wanna point something out to people. Oh, I shut my TV off when I go to bed. The EMFs off of a TV in the off mode are still almost just as present. I don't know how or why that is. It's mind boggling.
• 9:35
  It is. And then I unplugged the TV and tested it, and it went off. I was like, so the TV's really never off. It's just the light in it is or something.
• 9:42
  Roland: So as long as it's plugged into the outlet, it's generating an EMF.
• 9:46
  Michael Scalar: So I put on a a surge protector after that doing these measurements, and I would turn the TV off with the surge protector to cut cut the actual power to it. So, obviously, five g, big no no for most people in the know. So having Wi Fi routers near your your bed is bad. Bad.
• 10:00
  Roland: I just unplug And my
• 10:01
  Michael Scalar: if you just think about it, there's a ton of information flowing through that it's an information antenna receiver. Yeah. And whether you can hear it or not, you're at effect of it. And so it's, again, over stimulation. So you kinda wanna keep your I know people that turn off all their electronics off a switch Mhmm.
• 10:17
  In their house because they're electrosensitive. You definitely don't want your your routers near your bed, but your phone is connected to that. So at least for the the say optimally, you don't want your phone in your bed. If you are gonna have it in your bed, don't sleep with it next to your hand. Like, I'll I'll I'll actually throw it to the corner of my bed.
• 10:33
  Roland: Airplane mode airplane mode on the other side. Right? I do this thing called turning my phone off. It's a weird concept.
• 10:38
  Michael Scalar: But I can't do that because I run a company, so I have to be aware of
• 10:40
  Roland: My logic is if the world's gonna burn, I'll figure out because I'll wake up and smell the fire. But I have two stories that I think are really fitting. One is about the impact of light on sleep and one is actually about the impact of EMF. So I work with a lot of pro athletes and I had one guy who was using a WHOOP, which is wearable device that tracks your sleep score and your HRV and various things. They're they're useful for consumer level information.
• 11:03
  Michael Scalar: They're they're one of the better ones too as they're lower EMF than a Fitbit. Correct. Yeah.
• 11:07
  Roland: But the irony is some of these things, if they're connected, they're generating a Bluetooth, which is a radio frequency, which is a different thing, but still not wonderful, not as negative as a true EMF. So his recovery status was always in the yellow, which is not optimal, especially when you're a pro athlete, like your job is to be an athlete. So recovery is important. So I'm doing my intake session with him. I'm like, so like, what do you do before bed?
• 11:30
  He's like, ah, just watch reruns of the office on my laptop in bed. Like you do what? So I had him buy these glasses. And as long as it's a good quality brand, I'm not, you know, there's
• 11:44
  Michael Scalar: no What is this brand for those out there?
• 11:45
  Roland: This is RAW Optics.
• 11:46
  Michael Scalar: RAW Optics.
• 11:47
  Roland: I like these because the frame quality
• 11:48
  Michael Scalar: is Still waiting for them to send me some free glasses from the last episode.
• 11:51
  Roland: No. I'm I'm kidding. I bought three pairs, just saying. The minute he started wearing his glasses, he got a massive bump in recovery. His HRV went up, his sleep score went up.
• 12:02
  Michael Scalar: Realize as soon as we walk out of here, I'm gonna beat you up and steal your glasses.
• 12:05
  Roland: You gotta catch me for Sold. Done. But that was just because, and he didn't start, he didn't even wear the red orange tinted lenses. He wore these. So even the yellows, which cut through the harsh blue frequencies, it was enough for his body to get more quality sleep.
• 12:23
  That's the first story in terms of why sleep and light impact, is so important to consider. The second is I have another athlete who plays, hockey on the Dallas Stars. He's a very sensitive athlete, meaning he's highly attuned to what his body's feeling. He moved to Dallas and immediately started getting these weird injuries. He's getting groin pulls, just not feeling the best.
• 12:46
  So I found this company that does EMF testing in the home and it's a small company. I couldn't find anyone to do consumer level and apparently a few years ago some network wanted to do a show about this company. He's like the founders like this will destroy me. I cannot keep up with the demand that will come. So there based upon an appointment, I'm actually going to Dallas to meet this guy soon and get another client's house tested.
• 13:09
  So he did the impact test of the house and he said this is one of the highest readings I've ever seen and he can do this temporary EMF admittance in the house. And he described to my athlete's wife what he felt the minute she he turned it off. She didn't really notice anything. My client came home from the rink and he showed him what it felt like when he temporarily disabled the EMF, he had the exact same somatic description of what happened in his body as the founder of the company. Now that he has the temporary solution installed, they haven't done the permanent solution.
• 13:43
  He's like I've been sleeping better. I've been dreaming again. So maybe some of our, you know, sleep disturbances are actually because we're around a bunch of invisible fields that are always interacting with our physiology and it's stressing us out. These informational fields. They are.
• 14:02
  Energy is information.
• 14:03
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. So it's gonna your body is literally trying to process it while you're trying to sleep, especially through the day. I mean, knock, oh, you're just one of those people that are anti EMFs. Like, I mean, when you understand the science of how energy flows and the information on it, I mean, you're absorbing all the porn on PornHub that's flying through the air. Yeah.
• 14:19
  Roland: I don't want that
• 14:20
  Michael Scalar: shit more All the mainstream news, it's not like the the your five g's broadcasting love and light per se. So I mean, yeah, removing EMF stressors from a home, it was probably a good plug for EES system in there somewhere, but
• 14:33
  Roland: Well, if you're if you're sleeping in the system, that's different. I've had some of the most vivid meditative dream experiences sleeping in an EE system.
• 14:41
  Michael Scalar: So many stories of people having, like, full technicolored, like, wild dreams Yeah. In the system. For me too, like, I'll I'll just lay down on We obviously had a bed with the EES system on our last house. We're currently in the middle of a move. But I would just, like, lay down to, like, do some work on my phone, and next thing I know, I'm taking a power nap.
• 15:00
  Mhmm. It just it knocks me out. It's wild. And you'd think, oh, all these lights. No.
• 15:04
  It's you get some of the best sleep ever in the system.
• 15:06
  Roland: I usually like to use an eye mask if I'm doing that because I sleep in darkness. So conditioning
• 15:11
  Michael Scalar: I I can't keep an eye mask on for some reason. But I am also one of those people. I go into hotel room, travel a lot, and one little light will drive me nuts. The crack in the blinds that won't oh, that little crack.
• 15:23
  Roland: It's terrible. I'll get a hair hair The alarm clock. Flip The it
• 15:27
  Michael Scalar: alarm clocks are terrible. Yeah. Anyway, so I'm ultra light sensitive as well, but there's something about the system and it's like circular glow where it doesn't bother me since it's all around me, it's fine. But if It's not
• 15:40
  Roland: a focal point.
• 15:41
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. It's not a single point of light. I don't know. I can't explain because I'm also sensitive to light when sleeping, but in a system, for some reason, it doesn't bother me. It's weird.
• 15:51
  But yeah, blue light also in bedrooms, there's a lot of people that, don't really notice it, but the blue light is actually bad for your circadian rhythm.
• 15:58
  Roland: And it looks white. It's not actually the color blue. Yeah. It's blue dominant, which is a very specific wavelength of nanometers. I think it's in the 400, high three hundreds, low 400 nanometer wavelength.
• 16:11
  And it's essentially anything that's one of these high efficiency bulbs to where there's no heat, there's no infrared. They're good for the pocketbook because they draw less energy and they throw more light per unit of energy used, but they're not good for us physiologically.
• 16:25
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. So I mean, talked about environmental stressors, supplementations. I think these are all great takeaways for people. Is there anything else? I mean, I I love the there's actually, some of the monitors on laptops, these actually have a filter for for light.
• 16:39
  Roland: Yes. And TVs.
• 16:41
  Michael Scalar: If you if you're not comfortable buying sunglasses, maybe look into that if if you're one the that have to consume Netflix before going to bed.
• 16:47
  Roland: They're not completely foolproof because the nature of a screen is still the cool LED. So you can't remove all the blue from it, but you can dull some of it. So it's better than nothing. Yeah. And, I would say the one thing that no one thinks about is there's a correlation between daytime full light exposure.
• 17:05
  So being outside in light and the quantity of which you're exposed to light is directly correlated to how well you sleep that night. So we're meant to be in touch with nature. People are indoor animals nowadays. We're in a room artificially lit. We're not breathing quality air.
• 17:23
  We're not necessarily touching the ground. Know, my hippie side always comes out in an episode where Must
• 17:28
  Michael Scalar: touch grass.
• 17:29
  Roland: The minute I get off a plane, if I can put my feet on the grass or the ground or jump into a body of water, I'm grounding all of that crap that I've absorbed because we absorb electromagnetic energy. We like what is static when someone shocks you? We are an antenna. So if you're too positively charged, if you will, because the human body should be slightly negatively charged for blood to flow properly for oxygen to be utilized. That allows our parasympathetic nervous systems to predominate in the evening, which is required for us to be relaxed enough to fall asleep.
• 17:59
  So being outside, getting as much light exposure within reason, obviously not getting burned, but the more time you spend outside and the more you eliminate light in the evening and use either wife gets these really cool bulbs that have three or four different color settings. Yeah. So she just, depending upon the time of day, she modifies those and even using candles. Like candle light is, and I remember reading an article on this, a guy and his wife committed to thirty days of candlelight. They just started going to bed when the sun went down.
• 18:30
  Like they didn't look at a clock, but it was this natural rhythm that the body fell back into because these rhythms are when train our physiology and I think the more we go against the patterns and we try to force an artificial environment, the more and more we're going to shrink our optimal sleep window and ultimately we're going to shrink our health because we can't recover if we don't sleep.
• 18:51
  Michael Scalar: That's interesting. Candles. Yeah. Alright. We're new.
• 18:54
  Roland: Just don't set a fire.
• 18:55
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. That's the downside of candles in the bedroom when you're trying to sleep is they yeah. They they they are fire. Set the mood. Set the mood for sleep.
• 19:05
  Roland: Yes. Yes. That's another activity that helps you sleep,
• 19:08
  Michael Scalar: but for
• 19:09
  Roland: another day.
• 19:10
  Michael Scalar: Oh, man. I I don't know if we should say this, but I I I kind of joked to
• 19:13
  Roland: You're about to say it.
• 19:14
  Michael Scalar: Marina last night of, you know, a happy release.
• 19:21
  Roland: Do you mean, Michael?
• 19:22
  Michael Scalar: Well, if you have a have a lover of making love Yes. You know, it's gonna there was actually a study I actually read that you sleep better with a partner because of the
• 19:32
  Roland: oxytocin release. It's funny. My wife showed this to me. Women sleep worse with a partner, men sleep better.
• 19:39
  Michael Scalar: That's interesting.
• 19:40
  Roland: It is.
• 19:41
  Michael Scalar: But also, I mean, if you're if you wanna rub one out before bed Yes. It it it can help you with sleep. Same. Mom, don't hate me for this one.
• 19:52
  Roland: Skip over this one. Don't finish this episode. Stop at the nineteen minute mark.
• 19:58
  Michael Scalar: We'll see what they I don't Maybe we should edit that one out. Yeah, we'll see. I think I think it's engaging, but,
• 20:05
  Roland: do have any of the Okay. I'm done.
• 20:08
  Michael Scalar: Joyful release segment.
• 20:09
  Roland: Anyway. I think the best thing to do for an individual is to create their personalized sleep hygiene routine. You know, the other things that are good are anchoring techniques, having a warm, like a cup of tea or a relaxing herbal tea before bed, having a salt bath or something before bed, doing things that habitual to stimulate your body's ability to relax and doing them routinely every day will condition you unconsciously to regularly get into that same mode. So if you want to try to go to bed earlier, if you've been going to bed one, two in the morning, start making a practice where you stop doing stimulatory things a certain period of time before bed. You engage in the same behaviors and routines that teach your body unconsciously to wind down and then commit to going to bed at the same time if you can every day knowing that obviously travel, weekends, it might change.
• 21:03
  But you have to make sleep priority. If you don't, it's not gonna change. If you're haphazard with it, you're gonna have haphazard sleep.
• 21:10
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. One of the other things too, I was reading about at one point is make your bed just for sleep. Mhmm. So don't be in there working on your phone, doing different things. Your I like bed is actually like and then you're in training your mind too of this is where I sleep.
• 21:25
  Versus if you're in on your bed on your laptop or on your phone all day, your body's like, oh, this is a workspace. Mhmm. So make make your sleep space your sleep.
• 21:33
  Roland: Sacred space. And make it cold if you can. Sleeping at, like, 64, 66. The research shows you sleep much better than sleeping in the seventies.
• 21:42
  Michael Scalar: Really? Yeah. I got a chain in my thermostat. I'm at, like, 72.
• 21:45
  Roland: When you see an icicle booger coming out of your
• 21:47
  Michael Scalar: nose, you know,
• 21:48
  Roland: the temperature's optimal.
• 21:49
  Michael Scalar: I'm gonna try this and see if I sleep better.
• 21:50
  Roland: Try tonight.
• 21:51
  Michael Scalar: Yeah. The the worst I was, like, in hotels where they have bad thermostats, and it's, like, freezing, and you're, like, shivering.
• 21:56
  Roland: Oh, they're so loud.
• 21:57
  Michael Scalar: So yeah. Some I've been in so many hotels where I'm just like, oh, this is the most miserable experience ever. And the thermostat's, like, acting weird. It says a number, but it it's clearly not calibrated. Right?
• 22:07
  You're like, it's like 60 degrees in here.
• 22:09
  Roland: That's a random number generator. Yeah.
• 22:11
  Michael Scalar: I've been dude, I've in hotels like that where I'm like, what's going on? I'm with you. I've I've done the same. Alright. Well, I think we had a good conversation about sleep.
• 22:18
  Roland: So on that note I'm ready for that.
• 22:20
  Michael Scalar: I'm gonna I'm gonna just sprawl out here and have the the tech here in the studio just give me a pillow. Shout out to our tech here in the studio. Alright. Bye, everyone.
• 22:29
  Roland: We'll see you next time. Like, comment, subscribe. Take care, everyone.