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Our Favorite Music and How it Impacted Our Mental Health · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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I actually might have a sneeze coming on, Hold on going away, I
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I hear speaking of sneezes. Welcome back. That's for our next episode.
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Today we are talking about music. Have there been any any songs about
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sneezes? I'm sure weird Al has something. There's gotta be. There's gotta
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be. Actually, yeah, you say it. I'm like, it's good.
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There's a picture in my mind. Uh, let's see, let's see.
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Okay, Weird you're looking it up. Sneeze you know, nothing that
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comes with the first thing that comes up is weasel Stomping Day. So that's
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I guess the closest to If you type in the words weird out and sneeze,
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that's what you get. Well, weasel Stomping Day is a classic,
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so you know, I'll take your word for it. So we are talking
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music how it intersects with mental health. If you're new to the show and
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nice, so cool. Yeah, I like it. We let's start with
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some story time. I'll start us off here. I noticed that when I
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talked to my patients, I ask them about coping skills, what helps them
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get through hard times? And most kids, when I ask them, they
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say music. If I'm struggling, I can listen to something that helps shift
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my mood, helps get me out of a bad mood. And I can
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totally relate because when I was about fourteen or fifteen years old, I had
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some anger inside of me. I wouldn't say out of proportion for what is
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normal for most fourteen or fifteen year olds, but I even got suspended a
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time or two because I would get like two pissed off in Pe, Like
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how many people get suspended from Pe? Class? That was me. I
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was that weird. I was just taking it a little too seriously, a
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little too hard. But when I was at home, I had a strategy
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for getting my calm again, forgetting my anger to go back down. And
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it was the song Gwenevere by Crosby, Stills and Nash. And you guys
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will learn through this episode that I'm a very old soul when it comes to
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music, and that yeah, that nineteen sixties and seventies. Music is what
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really speaks to me the most. But Guinevere is just such a peaceful and
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beautiful song and something that just calmed me down immediately. So I think music
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is such a powerful thing and can really help change our whole mood, change
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our whole perspective on the day. You know, you talk about getting like
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so spended for going too hard in Pe, and like, I don't know
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someone that got suspended for going too hard in Pe. But there was one
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time in elementary school, this one kid really loved running the mile, Like
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I hope that when he got to high school like that he was a great
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like cross country and long distance track runner, but he loved it so much.
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And one day he was just not following the rules, like he was
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like not getting in line and like talking and all that. The teacher said
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he wasn't allowed to run the mile, and he got so filled he went
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into the back and just started slamming the doors. He was so mad.
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So that that was probably the closest that I've seen. Yeah, I actually
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got suspended multiple times from me, what were you doing? Well? The
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whole story that we were we had to like run laps around the football field,
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and these kids were really not into it, not trying, and it's
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pe like who cares. But if one person and slacked, then we all
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had to run it again. So I told these kids to, like these
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two kids that were walking, and I was like, get some balls,
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like just run so you don't make everyone else. And then they flipped out
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and like we're like, oh, we're gonna beat the shoot out of you,
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YadA yoda, because I told him to get some balls. And so
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then I got in trouble for initially telling you. But surprisingly enough, at
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my new job at the hospital, the guy I told to get some balls
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works in food service at the hospital, the nicest guy. And I'm so
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afraid to like go up from and be like, hey, do you remember,
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like it was me like fifteen sixteen years ago now, so like I
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think you should. I really should. Eventually I see him like all the
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time, and I'm like, should I do it today? No? No,
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I'm busyoda. Oh well, back to music. In preparation for today's
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episode, I just tried to reflect on like how helpful music could be just
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and talked about it little bit. But you know, there's a lot of
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kids when we talk about coping skills, are work can help them in the
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middle of class or how do we do stress? Music? Right, that's
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like number one or number two. And music is just one of those things
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that helps us. It makes us feel in ways that are hard to describe.
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It's also just a strouper creative medium and you don't always catch what people
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are trying to say in music. And I think that's what we really wanted
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to talk about today is just like one, how much it can impact our
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mental health positively and like that like intersection, and two like how much you
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know the lyrics can really like speak to us. And I wrote in the
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show notes like sometimes we miss things that the lyrics are saying and cough cough
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Draken and his ass whooped by Kendrick Lamar and their RAPI I had to watch
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a bunch of like TikTok with Kevy describing what I missed in the lyrics because
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there's a lot of like hidden meanings in those things. And I think that
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that part of music is really cool, like being able to like give a
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message without giving the message, but still giving the message, if that makes
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sense. I also think about when I was in middle school. I think
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one of the few things that I regret from like being a student was in
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middle school. I was in band for three years and I loved it,
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like it was great. At some point in the seventh or eighth grade,
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we moved to a block schedule, so instead of having every class once a
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day, we had every class. It would basically alternate a day B day,
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and then you would have in a two week period, you would have
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A day five times and B day five times, so it was an equal
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in those ten days. And I just remember when we moved to that schedule
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being able to be in band for like two hours at a time. Anytime
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we had it was like the best and I enjoyed it a ton. Again,
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one of the one things I regret from school is just not continuing on
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after middle school. But band was great, and I think just it was
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one of those things I didn't realize it at the time, but just being
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in band, playing practicing was like a destressor and something that gave me a
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break within the school day every day in middle school. Nice. Yeah,
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band was such an open environment and it just seemed like, at least in
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my school, that was where people would go and feel accepted, which was
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really nice. Music always tends to be a place where people who don't feel
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like they fit in can go and feel at least loved. And I'll tell
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you to we get anytime I meet with a band, kif they're having a
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hard time or they come and see me in crisis or whatever, if you
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ask them about what instrument they play or how much they enjoy band like easy
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connection right there. They're They're always so passionate about it and excited to talk
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about it. And then I tell them that I played clarinet for six months
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and then I moved to baritone or euphonium like the mini tuba for the last
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two and a half years of middle school, and they always they always think
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it's pretty cool. I don't know if I knew that about you. I
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don't know if that you I dodn't know that. Yeah, yeah, it
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was. So I switched from clarinet to euphonium or baritone because I wanted to
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be We had three levels, right, so it was like beginning band,
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intermediate, and then wind ensemble is the audition band. And I really wanted
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to be in the audition band as a seventh grader and naturally, there's just
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a ton of clarinets. And the reason why I chose clarinet was because there
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was a ton of saxophones at the time. So basically like, if everyone
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tells you if you if you want to play saxophone, might as well start
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a clarinet. It'll be easy to pick up afterwards. And it was eric,
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Yeah, it was. But I really wanted to be in the audition
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band, so I just I basically asked my teacher what is my best chance
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of getting into wind ensemble next year, and she said, we don't have
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a lot of low brass, so if you pick the tuba, the trombone,
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or the baritone, you got a pretty good shot. So I was
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like, fuck it, We're going baritone. I'm the only one in beginning
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band. Yeah, so fun, it was a good time. Cool.
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So we're gonna throw out some stats and facts about music. I looked into
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this that every known culture on Earth has some form of their own music.
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I think that is fascinating to find something that is truly ubiquitous amongst all groups
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of people. It's music. So music really does appear to be universal.
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It's such an important part of being a human being. Ubiquitous. What a
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word I know. I like ubiquitous. So a meta analysis from twenty twenty
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two by de wite at All showed that music therapy helped modulate the effect of
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stress, so that stress didn't have such a profound impact on mental health,
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and it was actually a pretty significant effect size. It was a medium to
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large effect size, which is a pretty big deal. So according to the
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IFPI, the average person listens to about twenty hours of music per week.
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So if you expand that to three hundred fifty million Americans, we were listening
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to billions of hours hours of music collectively. I just I think that's fascinating.
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I'm trying to see if I can quickly find it. I don't know
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if I will. But if you have Spotify, you get your Spotify wrapped
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every year, and then on Apple Music you get the same thing. And
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it's always interesting to see how many minutes of music listen to. People get
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like, there's some people got a ton So I found mine. It says
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I listened to just under twenty five thousand minutes of music. What is that?
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What does that translate to? Let's see if we do twenty thousand,
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if we just divided by fifty two, that'll give us the weeks, right,
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you need to divide it by sixty to get hours sixty, so about
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eight hours a week. Damn, I'm wonder, yeah, I said,
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But still the thing I could I can see that on my way to work,
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way home at the gym, like I could see that. I think
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it used to be a lot higher, like when I had longer commutes.
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And then just like if when I was a student, right like studying and
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always have something on. So am I the last person on earth who still
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listens to Pandora? Why are you fucking kidding me? Right now? What's
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your Pandora rap? Look like they don't have anything like that? No,
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no, no, you're not. You're definitely not. One of my coworkers,
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at least a couple of my coworkers I think still listen to Pandora.
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Nice. Well, my brother got like the Family Plan and threw me on
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there. But I also I also have Spotify because my wife got like the
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Family Plan and it was just like, oh, I'll throw you on there
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for freeze. I got. I got both. But since I was always
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kind of listening to Pandora, it's hard for me to make the switch over.
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I'll tell you right now, it's all about music Spotify. I have
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been a pain member of Spotify since like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, so
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I've I've invested a chunk of change into Spotify. Yeah, it's like ten
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dollars a month. There's a few years in there where I got the student
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dis kind of five dollars, but for me, it's totally worth it.
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Ten dollars a month. Yeah, access to all stuff. You can find
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our podcast there. But you just as to a ton of stuff, a
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tone of music, So I mean you should bring it up. Yeah.
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The Pandora rapped is them just emailing you saying please don't leave us. That's
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at at the end of the year, like please stay, please, I
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love you. You get a phone call from the CEO, like you get
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a zoom link, please accept this direct tired. He just sounds tired.
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Eddie. What are some of the most important song lyrics? Important songs to
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you in your life? Yeah? When I reflect on music, right,
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like what brings me back is like the two thousand's R and B hip hop
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era. But then I think about it, I'm like, man, there's
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not a lot of like profound lyrics. Right, there's like Goodies my Goodies,
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right, Like there's that, there's get Low that's not like that's not
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making me think. It's not really like let it burn, right, but
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sure Like actually, earlier today at the gym, I was like, one
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of the songs I came on was We Belong Together by Mariah Carey, Like
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you know, you know, I love carry Like those things are great,
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but there wasn't stuff that really made me think. So I really had to
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think, like, what are some lyrics that like, Really, I feel
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like I'm a consumer of music, but I don't always listen to the messages
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as much. And I don't know if that's good or bad. Either way,
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it's probably fine. But one of the first songs that did pop up
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was this song called Home by Sons of Zion. It's a six person reggae
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group from New Zealand and I've actually been a pretty big fan of theirs since
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about college. So anytime I actually do listen to their music it comes up
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on like a shuffle anything like that, it just brings me back to that
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point in my life. So that's like a positive thing. So maybe that's
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the part that I get from music. Maybe it's not so much the lyrics,
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but maybe it's just like where it transports me back, like into my
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life. So the lyrics that I chose, I'll read them and I'll describe
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it a little bit. So it starts off with where have you been?
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The lady pulled me closer? Still chasing dreams? Is that everything you hoped
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for? The house looked the same, the lining on the bed, of
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the color. And then it said unsure I couldn't find the exact lyric to
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it. And then it said, one thing has changed my love for my
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family. It's growing with age. So again, as I was thinking of
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lyrics that I wanted to use for this episode, this was one that did
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come up as like this one did have the lyrics itself did have an impact
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on me. And I remember distinctly driving from I believe it was like forest
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grove, you know, if you remember being a forest grove and you wanted
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to get to Highway twenty six, you had to drive in the backwards,
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and I think I was driving by myself, and it was dark, it
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was like nighttime, and I remember finally like listening to what it was saying,
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even though I've heard it a ton of times something like clicked to where
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I paid attention to what it said, and it made me think about just
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my own life and thinking about the idea of leaving home with not much else
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than like my actual stuff. Like when I left for college, I didn't
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besides the physical stuff that I brought with me, really all that I had
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was just hope that things were going to work out well right, didn't plan
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a lot, And I tell kids this all the time, you got to
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plan your decisions out. Don't be like me, and just hopeful the best.
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Even though it worked out, and it really made me emotional at that
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point, and it made me appreciate that my family, where I've come from,
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and the fact that that hope was enough for me at eighteen year olds,
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at eighteen years old to feel like I had enough to like things were
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going to be okay, and like that anytime I come back home there's still
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this huge love for family and the importance of family. So even now,
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like when I was getting ready to type up the notes and stuff for this
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episode, I was like patterned on repeat, just that part still feeling like
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a little emotional thinking about it, just like that whole it's late at night.
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My windows might have been down in my Tacoma driving in the middle of
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nowhere because there's nothing out there, trying to get to the freeway, and
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just reflecting on like where I was at in that moment and how what it
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took to get there, you know, leaving high school and while I was
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at the time. Isn't it so special? Like how many things in life
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can give you that feeling, give you that chills that make your hair stand
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up on your neck. It's it's few and far between, but music seems
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to be one consistent thing that can do it for most people, you know,
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Like sense of smell is like really strong and tied to memory. I
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remember this is when I was younger. I remember I went to like Reno
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with my family, and Reno's got some gambling and stuff. Right you go
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into casinos smells like fucking cigarette. And I remember we did that when I
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was younger. And then when I got a little older, we went on
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like a middle school football trip to Vegas, stayed in a hotel, and
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immediately when I walked in the hotel, I thought back to like being and
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then Reno in Vegas or both Nevada. But just like Yeah, music kind
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of has that of like certain parts of songs and lyrics and beats and all
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of that are just so tied to memory that it just like almost sucks you
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back into where you where you were. A song comes on, Bam,
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I'm all the way back in college. Song comes on, I'm all the
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way back in Omaha, Like it just oh supports you so quick. Yeah,
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I send our friend, our mutual friend Colby. Sometimes, like songs
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will come up and I think I sent them one recently. I was like,
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you know, I haven't heard this song in fro is the first time
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I've heard this song. And all I can think of is like at a
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party at your house in twenty fourteen, Like it just like it sucks me
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back, and I got my fucking backwards snapback on and I have my cargo
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shorts but my cutoff shirt at a party, Like it's crazy. And I
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know those are just like trivial, like fun memories that like there's probably not
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a whole lot that I remember after that, but it's I don't know,
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it's still it's still cool to think about and how it brings you back cool
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and funny. You should mention reggae bands and Colby, because you and Colby
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were in a how do you describe it? Hey, I think is how
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we're gonna Yeah, Ryan too, Ryan too. Yeah. They had a
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like a fake reggae boy band where they played air instruments called Jah Boys.
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Yeah, We're gonna leave that there, all right, next job, all
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right. Uh. One of the ones that I remember the most when I
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was fifteen, off that same album as Guenevere from Crosby, Stills and Nash
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was Wooden Ships, which the opening line is if you smile at me,
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I will understand because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same la language.
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And such a great opening line, like, if you smile at me,
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I will understand that something everybody everywhere does in the same language. And
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that was, you know, middle of the Iraq War. United States was
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in a lot of turmoil, and that just seemed like a line that really
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spoke to me about how we should view the world. And I thought it
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was so beautiful. And then I was reading up later on it and apparently
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David Crosby actually ripped that, stole that from a church marquee, that just
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that put that you know, how you drive by churches and I'm gonna give
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you a little messages. Yeah, yeah, you didn't actually write it though
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it took that. But hey, whoever actually did that line, good on
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you. Who knows if they're alive or anymore anymore? I mean that Okay,
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now that you say it, that does sound like a really good church
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sign line, Like hell, yeah, it fits right, Okay, that
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makes sense. It was on a church I'll let you do the next one
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because I only have one more left, because again, like I think I'm
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more of just like a song memory person. But i'll you because you have
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the nice, deep philosophical lyrics. We decided we were going to do this
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episode a couple of weeks ago, so I've been keeping my ear to the
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ground seeing what lyrics speak to me. Even and I was listening to the
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Eagles lately, and I was listening to their rendition of Desperado. I don't
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think they actually wrote the song, but I love the line where it says,
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in freedom, oh freedom, that's just some people talking. Your prison
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is walking through this world alone. And so that just really spoke to me
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about someone who idolizes the loneliness and the independence of life. It's like,
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yeah, you have your freedom. You have your independence, you're out there
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doing it on your own, but truly, deep down in this world,
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you are alone. Yeah, is it bad that it's making me think of
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the Green Day song I Walk a Lonely Road. Oh okay, since since
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we're just doing lyrics and like memories, so this is kind of sad.
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There was one time I had surgery on my foot in college and I had
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like crutches and stuff, and it was like I'd gotten to school, I
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was going to study, and I just remember like I was like halfway through
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being able to just be off the crutches and stuff. I remember being so
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like frustrated with it that I was just like annoyed having to do it,
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and I had my headphones on it, and I was like crutching, and
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like one of the lyrics are this like one like obscure like reggae song,
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was something to the effect of like this road that I'm walking is a lonely
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one, and I just remember feeling so bad for myself, so sad.
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I'm like, it's rated, I'm frustrated. This shit sucks. But we
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toughed it out. We were okay after, but and sometimes you have to
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let yourself feel those feelings. I heard Jim Carrey recently. He said in
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his life he's learned that he can't try and distract himself avoid those feelings.
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You gotta face some head on. You gotta feel those feelings because it's that's
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life, and if you try and avoid them, they're just gonna creep up
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eventually. That's not that people that like will purposely seek out sad songs because
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they know, like if they're feeling like they're having a hard time, like
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I just need to cry, and they'll like they'll have a sad song playlist
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or like I'm sure if I if I Google, I'm gonna look at it
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right now, Long Live as we Record. I'm opening Spotify. I'm on
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search sad right here. First thing that comes up, sad crying mix,
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next playlist, sad songs to cry to. I can probably could look up
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more, but yeah, let's see. Do you know who? Oh this
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one's sad someone you loved? Lewis Capaldi. Oh yeah, yeah, I
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guess I was kind of used to being someone you loved. Yeah, that
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motherfucker's got some sad songs anyway. Yeah, yeah, very absolutely absolutely,
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Like you know, I tell kids all the time that like, if we
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have these emotions and we don't like do something with it, if we don't
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acknowledge it, they come out at some point, whether we decide to or
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not. You know, people are people are really good at and resilient to
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the point where you can keep emotions to yourself for days, months, years,
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long time and just sometimes eventually it just comes out in a way you
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don't want it to. And we don't have that choice anymore, like we
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if we don't acknowledge the feelings and we don't have that sad crying hour with
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our sad playlist, it'll come out eventually. You mentioned people who seek out
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sad songs, and that's that's always been me. Whenever I write songs,
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they tend to be more sad songs because I want to get out my sadness
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and feel my happiness. Speaking of sad songs, and along those same lines
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of desperado as the line between independence and loneliness, I wanted to throw out
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a Joni Mitchell's song Cactustry from her first album So to a Seagull. She
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was such a hippie. I mean, who makes an album called song to
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a Seagull? I love it. I love the line is she will love
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them when she sees them, they will lose her if they follow, and
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she only means to please them, and her heart is full in hollow like
25:18
a cactus tree while she's so busy being free. I think that's just like
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the Desperado thing, where it's like, you want to be free, you
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want to be whimsical, you want to do your own thing, but sometimes
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it makes you hollow inside. Damn the hollow like a cactus tree. And
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that only means like I feel like that only impacts me because at some point
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really like learning that. Like cactuses are like there's nothing, There's not much
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in there. It's like, oh shit, she was Canadian. What does
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she know about cactuses. That's a good point. Do they have any in
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Canada? I don't know, Okay, third Google of the of the day
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actus in Canada question work. Yeah, looks like they've got some small cactuses.
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So it looks like I misjudged you Canada, because like even Wyoming actually
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as cacti and Canada. She grew up in the planes of Canada, so
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I'm guessing it's a similar flora and fauna. So she knows, Yeah,
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she might be as well. Should I do my next one? Yeah,
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go for it. It's a little long, so it's in Spanish. I
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have the translation as well, but I'll talk about it a little bit.
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So if you are on the TikTok at all Uh. There was a point
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last year where this group called Group of Fronteta they blew up a little bit.
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Basically what happened was they they had this song that I think was even
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a cover. It's not even their own song, but they they covered this
26:45
song live and somebody like added it to a video of a guy dancing and
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he was like really into it, and like it was this whole big thing
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where the video just like blew up. He got a ton of like listeners
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and views and people reposting it all that, and because of that group of
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from that blew up and it became like a really popular song, and then
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they started making their own music. And then this led to a collab with
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if you know mister Bad Bunny, who's like one of the biggest reggaetonin just
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like artists in general right now in hip hop. So they ended up doing
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a song together last year and a lot of people were like this is such
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a huge deal for them because they kind of just came out of nowhere and
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with a short amount of time made this extremely popular song with Bad Bunny.
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It's called un porcento so like one percent. If you look it up on
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Spotify, it's oun so you n and then I learned this. I guess
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this is a way to write porcento, which makes sense because the percentage it's
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an X and then one hundred and then T is like the slang or shorthand
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for porcento in Spanish. So anyway, this is the opening lines, I
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will I will do both for you guys. So it starts off like this
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miche ucento iloso q and una drisco solos per tempo baby Pento and pelis no
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sierto ja na Soloo's photos, elos videos, the t salt ita, el
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perfum, trendojor cuki right, And that's the opening of the song. And
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I just remember when I first heard the song, I'm like, God damn,
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this song is fucking good. It is a banger. It is so
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catchy it became Actually, let me tell you this because like most people,
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whenever my Spotify rap comes up, I screenshot the parts that I like.
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This was actually my most listened to song last year at nineteen one time from
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April twenty twenty, from April twenty second throughout whenever they cap it and they
29:06
start doing the data for Spotify wrapped. So this was like my this was
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my shit. So when I say this is shit, this is my ship.
29:14
And it wasn't until I was on the TikTok and I saw one that
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it was basically this like, oh why are you crying? Like meme like
29:22
it's a guy crying and then you swipe next to the next picture and it's
29:26
this song like it's like a screenshot of the song Plane and it like I
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listened to the lyrics like, oh wow, this is really fuck. It's
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like damn bro, like this is hell. It's sad, even though like
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the once the beginning stops, it like speeds up and really does have that
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like nor Danel reggaetone like sound to it. So like Northaniel music, right
29:47
Mexican Northenia music, they'll typically have like saxophones and accordions, and it has
29:52
like a specific sound to it and a specific beat and the way people dance
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to it. So when that part starts in the song is yep, super
29:59
catch I love it. Hell yeah, people can dance this. This is
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what the lyrics mean. And again, this has nothing to do with anything
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I've experienced in my life, but it just for some reason. It must
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be the ability to have this like super catchy fire song that just like I
30:17
really like with these sad lyrics, that really like the intersection of it or
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the dichotomy. I don't know if that's the right way to use that word,
30:25
but juxtaposition, juxtaposition. Okay, So here's the lyrics. I have
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one percent left and I'll use it just to tell you how sorry I am
30:37
if they see me out with someone else. It's just to waste time.
30:41
Baby, Why would I lie to you? If they ever say that they
30:45
saw me happy, just know that it isn't true. Now nothing makes me
30:52
laugh only when I see pictures and videos that I have of you. I
30:57
went out with someone else to try to forget about you. You and she
31:00
had the perfume that you like. I spark up or I get my marijuana
31:06
ready so that I'm able to sleep, because I sleep better if I dream
31:11
that you're here. Super sad. Yeah, it does not fit the catchiness
31:19
of it that I really enjoyed of it. So I don't know. There
31:23
was something about just yeah, those two like competing really sad, really catchy
31:30
that really have stuck with me and maybe why I like the song so much
31:33
that I listened to it ninety two times last year, at least on my
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own Spotify. If you have a happy sounding song with sad lyrics, or
31:41
vice versa a sad sounding song with happy lyrics, there is an inherent draw
31:45
to that song because there's depth, there's complexity. It makes you think,
31:48
and that's what it sounds like. That song is a little bit yeah,
31:52
damn, Maybe I do have some song lyrics that have some depth. What
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else you got for me? I got one that's a little bit more contemporary
32:04
than what I'm used to. I actually love the pop star Halsey. I
32:08
think she's fascinating and it's pretty clear that she's struggled with her own mental health
32:14
stuff, so I think that adds as a psychiatrist a lot of fun element
32:17
of analyzing her lyrics and when they mean. One of my favorite lines from
32:22
her manic album titled Manic that she wrote it while manic, but she says,
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I know it isn't fair for me to make a memory out of a
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feeling, And I think it Maybe I've even mentioned this lyric in the past,
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but I think it's such an important line because people who grow up with
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a lot of childhood emotional trauma and invalidation tend to be very unsure of their
32:45
own memories. So if kids are constantly hearing that didn't happen, you don't
32:50
feel that way. That's not how you feel, that's not what's going on.
32:52
You're making things up that chronic invalidation of how you feel and think,
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And a lot of young people unfortunately go through this in their lifetime, exkews
33:05
their memories of what is real and what is not real, And a lot
33:08
of people can make memories out of feelings, but it's particularly worse in kids
33:14
who have trauma in their lives, and Halsey recognizes that in herself. In
33:20
this song, she says, I know, it's not fair for me to
33:23
make a memory out of a feeling, admitting that she does it and it's
33:28
causing problems in her life and she knows it's not fair to the people around
33:31
her, but she can't really help it. Damn. I love that stuff.
33:36
Yeah, and that was one sentence that ding damn. Yeah, I
33:43
love Halsey stuff because she's not only so talented. You did you see her
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like Saturday Night Live performances at all or anything. I don't think I have.
33:52
I've more than a Saturday Night Live over the last year or so.
33:58
Okay, but anything that's any anything a little older, I don't always catch
34:01
the references, or I don't always see it. She did these performances where
34:06
she would sing an entire song but also draw an entire painting at the same
34:12
time on the floor where she was standing, and like, like, what
34:16
an unbelievable talent she is? Yeah wow, similar to Joni Mitchell can sing
34:24
and paint too. All right, I got a couple more songs and then
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we'll get into some discussion questions. I'll go through quick. Actually, both
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of them are from one of my favorite albums when I was living in Seattle.
34:37
Seattle can be kind of dark and gloomy and rainy, similar to where
34:42
Eddie's living right now in Portland. Hey man, it's right now, enjoy
34:47
it, enjoy it while you can't. Yeah, this shit's gone on Saturday.
34:52
So David albarn is like the guy from Gorillas. He is Gorillas,
34:59
but he made a solo album. Is that the feel good Ink? Yeah,
35:05
that's feel good, That's a plastic beach, a lot of bangers,
35:08
a lot of good songs. So he actually just did a solo album.
35:13
But Gorillas is basically him, so they're all pretty much solo album so I
35:15
don't really quite know the difference. But when I was in Seattle, I
35:20
couldn't stop listening to this because it just fit the dark, gloomy, rainy
35:25
Seattle so well. And this first song is called press Play. It's about
35:31
using music to change your mood, so I figured it would fit really well.
35:36
But the line is can I get any closer? What an adote can
35:38
I bring to you? When I'm lonely? I press play? And he
35:43
even infuses the sound of a tape going into a tape deck and closing in
35:47
the song as a rhythmic part of the song. It's super creative, it's
35:52
super fun. It's kind of lonely and dark, similar to what Seattle felt
35:55
like. And then the second one I have from that same album, which
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is called Everyday Robots. This is from a song called the Selfish Giant.
36:05
That's all about how technology is separating us, how it feels like we're more
36:10
connected than ever, but we're more disconnected than ever. And the line from
36:15
the song is I had a dream that you were leaving. It's hard to
36:19
be a lover when the TV's on and nothing is in your eyes. I
36:23
had a dream that you were leaving, where every atom falling through the universe
36:28
was passing through our lives. And I just thought that visual of it's hard
36:32
to be a lover when the TV's on and nothing is in your eyes,
36:37
dissociating using that technology to disconnect from the world instead of connecting with the people
36:42
who are right in front of you is just such a powerful line for our
36:46
society today. Just this week, I was having a conversation with the student
36:51
talking about how they feel like their parents don't understand like the importance of having
36:55
their cell phone and like being able to connect with people that way, and
37:00
it's like, yes, and kind of thing, like both can be true.
37:05
Yes, it is important to connect that way, and also it's getting
37:09
in the way of a lot of other things, a lot of other natural
37:14
processes, like connecting with someone you've never met before, like you just meet
37:16
it for the first time, like having a full on discussion, Like,
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I don't know, there's there's a lot that I think it's a yes and
37:24
thing. Yeah, we gotta we gotta use technology smart. We got to
37:29
use it to connect with people, but we also have to connect with the
37:31
people in our real world too, that's important. Yeah, all right,
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we are towards the end of our time here. So Eddie in your opinion,
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Oh dude, dude, I was so excited about one of the questions.
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I just saw you deleted it. I did you want me to bring
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it back? No, just one of them. Just let's do this one
37:49
and then we'll do the opposite. Okay, let's start with this one,
37:52
and then we'll do like the favorites. Okay, who are the worst musicians
38:00
your opinion? Let me know the first thing, I thought it was Nickelback.
38:05
But I don't even have a problem with Nickelback. People just seem to
38:07
have a ball with Nickelback. Yeah. I paid at least a few times
38:15
ninety nine cents for a Nickelback song on my iPad or iPod, So I'm
38:20
not gonna hate I don't. I don't know if I can say a worst
38:23
musician. I just like it's just one of Oh you know what, Morgan
38:29
Wallan, that motherfucker's racist. People listen to him. Yeah, I mean
38:32
what country music star isn't just a little racist? I hope not. Luke
38:37
holmbs. He seemed like a good guy. Oh, he seems super cool.
38:39
So yeah, what do you think? You know, for some reason,
38:44
I wouldn't say this is the worst musician. Do you know who pesol
38:46
Pluma is? Stop? Leave him alone? I saw a picture of him
38:57
and I was just like, what am I looking at here? What's what's
39:00
going on? It's not the worst in the world. When we were talking
39:08
about Spanish music, I was sick and I noticed that, like in young
39:13
Mexican kids these days, that kind of like bowl cut mullet is bad.
39:16
That's like the look right now, and it's not the most it's different.
39:22
Yeah. Back in the day it used to be the fucking crispy ass fade
39:27
with the ice pick sideburns, and now it's very different. Yeah, yeah,
39:31
it's changing. So I saw that Tesel Plume, I had that look
39:34
of kind of the bull cut mullet. I'm like, okay, sure,
39:37
it's interesting how much that kind of means the music that he makes has has
39:42
changed, like over the last couple of years. So there's this like section
39:45
of music in like Mexican regional music called like narco corridos, which is basically
39:52
like songs about drug trafficking, and they used to be and it's I feel
39:58
like it different regions of Mexico like have different types of music, but they
40:02
still those those kinds of songs are in all like the different regions, right,
40:07
And it's interesting how much has changed, Like they're they're like popular again,
40:13
but like in a newer way, in a different way, with like
40:15
the younger crowd and younger artists. And it's interesting how much they've like come
40:20
back and how much they talk about like these very dangerous like drug lord lives
40:25
when I don't necessarily know if that's their own life. Where back in the
40:30
day I felt like these groups were talking about it from first hand experience,
40:35
and it feels like maybe not so much right now, but it's really interesting.
40:37
It's it's been a big shift. I feel like I'm a fan of
40:40
it. Like I shouldn't really talk down on it, but it's it's interesting.
40:45
Cool, all right, favorite musicians right now, what are you enjoying?
40:49
Yes? Okay, my boy Khalid Khalid is like my dude, I
40:52
fucking like I wanted to do a Khalad song. I really did. I
40:57
went through a lot of I went through. So his whole American teen album,
41:01
if you haven't listened to it, every single song really good. His
41:06
second one, I think was called like teen Spirit, a lot of good
41:09
ones, Free Spirit, a lot of gold ones. Not as much,
41:14
like, not every single one, but he does have some like really deep,
41:17
like vibe melancholy songs. So I've really liked him. I remember me
41:24
and Kobe really liked him. Like in twenty seventeen when he first came out,
41:28
we actually went to his first concert of his first ever tour in like
41:31
twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, and his first stop was in Portland and it
41:37
was at the Roseland Theater, So to give listeners perspective, rose in theater
41:40
holds maybe like two thousand people, and when we went, we were probably
41:45
some of the older people there, even though we're only like twenty three,
41:46
twenty four, and we were in like the twenty one section by ourselves,
41:52
so we had like this, dope, you like great great, and we
41:54
weren't like crowded with people. What a good perspective. Like A year and
41:59
a half later, he came back to Portland, and this time he was
42:01
in the Motor Center and the Motus the Portland Trailblazers play. So to go
42:05
from two thousand to a place that holds like twenty thousand was crazy. So
42:09
I'll say one number one, Khalid, That is my dude. Cool.
42:15
Did I tell you about when I went to go see Khalid? Did I
42:17
tell you the story? No? What he was on tour with Ed Sheeran
42:22
this past summer and then so we were so pumped to see Khalid. We're
42:25
just as equally pumped to see Khalid as Ed Sheeran, and we like,
42:30
we get there, Kaleide starts playing, he gets a song and a half
42:32
in, and then he stops mid song and says, I'm so sorry.
42:36
They're telling me in my earpiece like thunderstorms are rolling in. I gotta get
42:38
off the stage. And we're like, oh, that was a huge bummer.
42:47
Oh yeah, I'm sad for you. Yeah. And then I'd say,
42:54
best or probably biggest artist right now for me is Odessa, the EDM
43:00
band that my wife is super into. She's gotten me really into and that
43:05
their live shows are just so emotional and big and it's such a feeling and
43:10
really helped me connect with music, because yeah, I did music in high
43:15
school. I played saxophone. I was very intellectual about it, and I
43:21
don't know, thinking and being too much intellectual about it maybe disconnect a little
43:24
bit from it. So it almost helped me just get back into the feeling
43:28
and emotion of music instead of just analyzing it so much. So I'm so
43:31
glad that she introduced me to that. You know who he didn't mention was
43:35
the two friends and their Big Booty mixes. How could we mention that shout
43:42
out right now to two friends big Booty like huge musical influence in both of
43:47
our lives. Yes, yes, Big Booty Mix twenty. If you just
43:53
want to listen to a mix that just from start to finish is amazing,
43:59
go listen to the one. They put out some really great mixes. They
44:01
pull music from all genres all years like it's it's some good stuff and that
44:08
is it's amazing. Yeah, I'll do even I'll double down on being a
44:14
music person. Where where it impacts me is where it takes me back in
44:17
the memories. It takes me to of just like right now, thinking of
44:22
when we're on like the bus for Kushion Malia's wedding. Shoutout Cushion Malia listening
44:27
to a Big Booty mix as we were driving around doing all that. That's
44:30
I love it. Yeah, we'll have to have to tag Big Booty two
44:34
friends. Yes, well cool man, this was fun. Yeah, I
44:40
did that. It was good. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Listen
44:45
to music, it's beautiful, it's great. I might listen to some later
44:49
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