Latest / Becoming Anchored / Becoming Anchored S3E2: The Nuances for Athletes in Eating Disorder Recovery with Sarah Beth
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- 0:02Lauren Jackson: Hi, everyone.
- 0:03Welcome back to the Becoming Anchored podcast.
- 0:05We are so glad that you're with us today.
- 0:07We have a very fun and exciting guest with us.
- 0:10I'll introduce her in just a second.
- 0:12So real quick, just to introduce the host, I'm Lauren Jackson.
- 0:16This is Laura Deneen.
- 0:17We are part of a group private practice in the Brentwood, Tennessee area
- 0:21called Anchored Counseling Company.
- 0:23We specialize in treating eating disorders all the way to anxiety, grief adjustment,
- 0:28life transition, that kind of thing.
- 0:30And we work with all ages through the lifespan.
- 0:33So we're super excited to be with you guys today.
- 0:36And we've got some fun things to talk about that I think a lot of
- 0:40you guys will be able to relate to.
- 0:41So a quick disclaimer, this podcast is for educational purposes only.
- 0:45This is not meant to be your therapy.
- 0:47, So if you do find that as you're listening to our content, you could
- 0:50benefit from therapy, we would love for you to reach out to us.
- 0:53If you're a local, we'd love to connect with you and get you
- 0:56scheduled with one of our therapists.
- 0:57If you're not local, find someone close to you who is a licensed therapist.
- 1:02Today we have Sarah Beth with us.
- 1:05We're very excited to have her.
- 1:07So Sarah Beth is one of our Wonderful staff therapist here at Anchored and
- 1:12so she just brings so much wisdom and knowledge and we're really
- 1:15excited for the topic that we're going to talk with her about today.
- 1:19yay!
- 1:19Welcome, Sarah Beth.
- 1:20Sarah Beth Flippo: for having me.
- 1:23Laura Deneen: Yeah, echoing Lauren.
- 1:24Sarah Beth is just a gem of a human, and I just am so grateful for her.
- 1:31I know Lauren is so grateful for her.
- 1:33Anchored would not be what it is without Sarah Beth, and we are just so grateful
- 1:37for her wisdom today on the show.
- 1:39Sarah Beth actually started her internship with us, and I'll let her
- 1:42introduce herself here in a few minutes.
- 1:44But Sarah Beth, Has been with us going on three years and actually
- 1:47serves as our marketing director.
- 1:50So does all of the fun elf, we say like elf marketing tasks, so like dropping
- 1:56cookies off and doughnuts off and all the other fun things for the practice.
- 2:00And then, she of course sees clients and I know that she
- 2:03really enjoys that work as well.
- 2:04So thank you, Sarah Beth, for being here.
- 2:06If you're new to the Becoming Anchored show, really the
- 2:08purpose of this show is twofold.
- 2:10First and foremost, it is to share about our experiences,
- 2:14first and foremost, as humans.
- 2:16Lauren and I, Love to talk about the hard things in life, the painful
- 2:20things, and also the things that we're celebrating and our our wins, so to speak.
- 2:25And we're humans first and foremost on this show with you all.
- 2:27And then we have the incredible gift of sitting with clients on a daily basis.
- 2:32And we love, love, love that work as well , We have learned a lot over
- 2:35the years as therapists and our hope on this show is to share some of
- 2:39those nuggets of wisdom with you all.
- 2:56And so welcome, welcome.
- 2:58If this is your first episode or maybe you've been riding along with us and
- 3:02we're super grateful to have you.
- 3:04So thank you so much for being here.
- 3:06Today we are going to be talking a little bit more about.
- 3:09athletes and the nuances of treating athletes in eating disorder recovery.
- 3:14Sarah Beth is a wonderful guest for this topic.
- 3:17She athlete herself and she treats a lot of our athletes in the practice.
- 3:23And so I can't think of a better person to speak on this topic today.
- 3:27So welcome Sarah Beth.
- 3:29Sarah Beth Flippo: Thanks for having me.
- 3:31Laura Deneen: Yeah, of course.
- 3:33I would love for you to share a little bit more about yourself just
- 3:35so our listeners know a little bit more about you and what makes you.
- 3:40Sarah Beth Flippo: Okay.
- 3:40So like I said, I'm Sarah Beth.
- 3:42I've been an anchored about three years now going on in August.
- 3:46I cannot believe that.
- 3:47But I work predominantly with our eating disorder athletes as well.
- 3:53Predominantly where my passion is, especially anorexia nervosa,
- 3:56a lot of the perfectionism, some OCD, those kinds of things.
- 3:59But I just have a special place for athletes.
- 4:02Like Laura said, I've grown up in the sports world and the athlete world, and
- 4:06so it is a big part of identity is one of the things that you would share it.
- 4:10And so I love being able to come beside people in the, Fitness and just that
- 4:15world and that realm and just really be there while they are working on
- 4:20maybe coming out of disordered eating, eating disorders, distorted thinking
- 4:25patterns, just that identity piece of trying to discover who they are.
- 4:29And then just working on emotion regulation as well.
- 4:31And just, sitting with the emotions that come with who am I and why did I
- 4:36become an athlete in the first place?
- 4:38And All of the fun things that come with that.
- 4:40So absolutely love what I do and I'm excited to be able to talk about it today.
- 4:46Laura Deneen: Yeah.
- 4:47Yeah.
- 4:48Oh man, this is a big topic.
- 4:50So we're so glad you're here.
- 4:51And there's lots of different things that I think that we could touch on.
- 4:54But yeah, when we were talking a little bit before the show about what we wanted
- 4:58to talk about, I know that we briefly mentioned just that identity piece
- 5:02that can feel so pertinent when we are working with an athlete that is also
- 5:08in recovery from an eating disorder.
- 5:11So Sarabeth or Lauren, I'm curious, when y'all are first working with an athlete,
- 5:17and I know all three of us have worked with athletes what are things that you
- 5:22both feel sets this population apart from maybe somebody who hasn't grown up in an
- 5:28athlete world or in the athletic world?
- 5:32Sarah Beth Flippo: Well I think the biggest thing is just the identity piece.
- 5:36Like you were saying, what sets them apart is this idea of, Oh, you're so
- 5:40and so that, won the gold medal.
- 5:42You're so and so that did this, . And it's based on the performance piece.
- 5:45And I think a lot of the identity that goes into it is the fear around
- 5:49letting those that support you or cheer you on in a way of letting them down.
- 5:55And so that fear of failure.
- 5:56So a lot of the athlete identity piece that sets them apart is the
- 6:00piece of Oh my gosh, if I fail, right, then I have let everyone down.
- 6:05Am I even really an athlete?
- 6:07And am I even really good at what I do?
- 6:10And I think a lot of the identity piece is not even the sports itself.
- 6:13It's.
- 6:13The coaches, the family, the friends, the supporters, the people
- 6:16that are on the sidelines that are like, Hey, go do your best job.
- 6:21And to them, it's did I even do my best job?
- 6:23Am I even doing my best?
- 6:25Laura Deneen: yeah.
- 6:26Yeah, I mean I think even just with our culture and for the
- 6:29record we are pro everyone on the show Right, we're pro athletes.
- 6:33We're pro artists pro creatives.
- 6:35Whatever makes you So we are certainly pro athlete , and athlete, health as well.
- 6:43And I think one thing that can happen in the athletic world is
- 6:47that your performance as a whole becomes who you are and it becomes
- 6:53what we call in the therapeutic space and meshed with who you are.
- 6:56And this idea of achieving or , setting the record, It becomes all consuming
- 7:02and even, , I'll talk to parents who have children that are athletes, it,
- 7:08scheduling time for sports and activities that involve athlete, athletic things,
- 7:14they take up so much of client's life, and so it can become all consuming, and
- 7:19so I think there is this piece where it does feel like it is who they are,
- 7:25if It's not necessarily who they are.
- 7:27It's a part of who they are.
- 7:28I feel like that was a long winded sentence, but I think the nature of being
- 7:32in a sport can evoke this sense of no, this is just who I am when I'm not saying
- 7:38that it's not important to that person.
- 7:40It's not something that they love, but it really is a part of who they are.
- 7:44But because of the nature of schedule and maybe they're on the road for
- 7:48their, for Athletic thing that they do that can feel like it's who they are.
- 7:54And so I think that's just another nuance of treating this
- 7:57population that I've found as well.
- 8:01Lauren Jackson: Excuse me.
- 8:02Another thing that feels really unique to athletes in eating disorder
- 8:09recovery is the level of activity.
- 8:12Even when we're, when we're getting into I mean, don't get me wrong, high school
- 8:17sports are very competitive, even like recreational kind of sports outside
- 8:23of, school can be super competitive, but you get into like college sports
- 8:27and then professional, it's like the amount of activity is exponential,
- 8:32which can be, Tricky to navigate in the recovery process because the activity
- 8:39piece in and of itself, whether it's, I don't know, football or gymnastics
- 8:44or what, tennis, whatever, right, is so integral to the thing that they're doing.
- 8:50So that, that can be so sticky.
- 8:55So I can get into some of my story a little bit in this episode but
- 9:01the, yeah, the level of movement can, it can just, it's just high.
- 9:06It's just really high.
- 9:08And that can be such a, that can be such a tremendous part
- 9:11of an eating disorder as well.
- 9:13All in eating disorder behaviors is.
- 9:16exercise, right?
- 9:18Laura Deneen: Yeah.
- 9:18Well, and nourishing yourself appropriately to correlate with the
- 9:23level of activity that you have.
- 9:24If you have an eating disorder, those two things are not aligned, right?
- 9:29And so that's what we're working towards is hey you may not be
- 9:33nourishing yourself In an adequate way to sustain the level of activity
- 9:38that you are consistently engaging in.
- 9:41so then it begs the question of okay, is it appropriate for the
- 9:44athlete to take some time off?
- 9:46Do they need to take a break from their sport?
- 9:49And that can cause just an emotional response, understandably so.
- 9:54But these are big questions that we're talking about and nuances
- 9:57like Lauren said, that are pertinent specifically to this population.
- 10:02Lauren Jackson: Yeah.
- 10:05Laura Deneen: Yeah.
- 10:05Yeah.
- 10:06Yeah.
- 10:06Sarah Beth, have you just out of curiosity, I'm sure that you've
- 10:09worked with people that have had to take time away as they're
- 10:13in eating disorder recovery.
- 10:15People that have had to take time off.
- 10:17What is typically response to
- 10:20Sarah Beth Flippo: Extreme fear.
- 10:21And I think that it comes from example, like We'll use
- 10:26college athletes as an example.
- 10:28So like we're talking to a day workouts, everything's planned
- 10:31from the morning to the evening.
- 10:33And that is a big piece, right?
- 10:35Like they're doing that five days out of the week.
- 10:38Performing on the weekends.
- 10:39That is a chunk of their life and we're coming in into recovery.
- 10:44Right.
- 10:44And we're trying to learn how to correlate and connect that eating
- 10:49disorder recovery with the athlete piece.
- 10:52And it's a lot of fear.
- 10:53It's a lot of fear around Hey, this is what I've been doing.
- 10:55Just like you said earlier, Laura, with like kids growing up, going to sports
- 10:59games and that being the regular and doing it all the time and like movement
- 11:03It's 100 percent intertwined with that.
- 11:06And so a lot of fear, a lot of just scaries in some ways, just
- 11:12scary of what will happen to me?
- 11:14What if I come back to my sport and I'm not good at it?
- 11:16What if I lose all the talent that I've, put into that?
- 11:21And I think just a lot of fear and just a lot of what if this happens?
- 11:26What if that happens?
- 11:27What if nothing changes?
- 11:29And Yes
- 11:31Laura Deneen: and this comes up for the record for those of you that are
- 11:34listening across the board with clients and even in my own story, I'm, tend
- 11:38to excel at asking what if questions.
- 11:40And so one of the best things that has, been fruitful in my own mental health
- 11:45journey is really coming back to that present focused awareness of appreciating
- 11:50the present and naming what is happening for my own self in the present.
- 11:55So moving from what if to what is true, and that can be
- 11:59an intervention that we are.
- 12:01actively working on with our athletes in the practice is, Hey, I understand
- 12:07that you have an incredible amount of fear of taking time off from your
- 12:11sport if that is the case for them.
- 12:13sometimes not everyone needs to take time away for the record.
- 12:16But Let's practice on, let's practice naming what is true for you right now
- 12:22instead of creating all of these possible what if scenarios because really the
- 12:26possibilities are endless and that's not super helpful for our brains to imagine
- 12:31all of the possibilities and so what that might look like in a therapeutic session
- 12:34is Hey, yes, this is a time when I might need to take a break from my sport.
- 12:39This is what I need to do for my eating disorder recovery in this moment.
- 12:44This is really hard.
- 12:45This is really painful.
- 12:46This might have a lot of grief that accompanies this.
- 12:50So those are things that we would be working on to help a client move
- 12:53from what if possibility scenarios back to what is true in this moment.
- 13:03Lauren Jackson: Yeah, and I would say that's, that is true for really anybody
- 13:08in recovery from an eating disorder, particularly, the athlete piece and Kind
- 13:13of that identity part that we've been talking about how that can get so enmeshed
- 13:18with the sport that sometimes that time away is actually really important in
- 13:25Differentiating eating disorder from like self and then the sport as well
- 13:34Laura you said this earlier in the session that we're obviously pro athlete, right?
- 13:38That's it's if you're an athlete and you do a cool sport, that's so cool.
- 13:42And how amazing.
- 13:43I grew up in a pretty athletic home and did lots of sports growing up.
- 13:47And then I was a ballet dancer for a long time.
- 13:48And so it was kind of my sport.
- 13:50But I'm curious and I can speak to this as well, but Sarah Beth, have you noticed
- 13:54like any of your clients going through this recovery process, maybe taking some
- 13:59time away if that was necessary in their recovery and Creating a recovery kind of
- 14:06self and then discovering that they maybe didn't want to do this board anymore.
- 14:15I'm, I see you nodding your head, yeah.
- 14:18Sarah Beth Flippo: I've had actually quite a few not that
- 14:21a lot of people didn't go back.
- 14:22I think a lot of people discovered within themselves the reason they
- 14:28were still staying in that athlete mindset was not the reason they
- 14:33had started that athlete mindset.
- 14:34So when they started that sport, just like you said, you did ballet, right?
- 14:38You started the ballet, you love the ballet, but along the way somewhere,
- 14:42something, and not for your story, but somewhere, something within these people.
- 14:46These clients got twisted and turned and the thing that they loved about the
- 14:50sport in the beginning was not the thing that they discovered that they loved
- 14:53about the sport once they came out of it.
- 14:56And so a lot of them made decisions when they were coming out that
- 15:00they can still be athletes, but that their identity was not in the
- 15:05sport itself or being the athlete.
- 15:07It's them.
- 15:08Like they discovered Oh, it's me.
- 15:09Like at the end of the day, the reason I was doing sports was because.
- 15:13I can do the sport.
- 15:15I love myself and I love movement.
- 15:17But I also know that to love myself and love movement, I've got to also find other
- 15:22ways of love and movement in my life.
- 15:25And so a lot of people tend to walk away from that sport or that identity
- 15:29piece around what they have created, thinking that was what they wanted and
- 15:34that their life was indulged in it.
- 15:36But then they found another era where they can indulge and find life too.
- 15:43Laura Deneen: Yeah.
- 15:44Yeah.
- 15:44And this is actually part of my story.
- 15:46I know we're all kind of giving glimpses into our stories today, which I think
- 15:50is helpful for our listeners, right?
- 15:51We're not robots and we certainly are not perfect in order to be claimed to be.
- 15:55But when we moved back from overseas, so I moved back from being living overseas
- 16:01when I was 14 and I started running cross country I remember it was really hard
- 16:08for me to take a day off of running.
- 16:10And at the time, this was really the onset of my eating disorder,
- 16:13but I remember looking at my mom.
- 16:16And she had encouraged me to take a day off.
- 16:18I think we were on vacation or something.
- 16:19And I remember looking at her defiantly and being like, I am a runner.
- 16:25I think I might've shared this story.
- 16:26Lauren and I did an episode on exercise and ED recovery and
- 16:31movement and ED recovery recently.
- 16:33And it's interesting because as I've gotten older, I, Don't enjoy running
- 16:38and part of my recovery work has been recognizing and naming that for myself
- 16:43and while I don't necessarily identify as an athlete and Didn't really grow up
- 16:50in a super, athlete or athletic focused home That is interesting right because
- 16:54I don't run anymore in my recovery and now I've been in recovery for a
- 16:58long time at this point But I left that because there was so much pain
- 17:03Involved in that and I didn't really feel the need to go back to it after
- 17:07I'd gone through the recovery process.
- 17:09But that's not to say that some people that are runners that are in recovery from
- 17:13an eating disorder can't continue running, as they move through recovery, right?
- 17:18I think each person's story is so unique and nuanced, but my story was that
- 17:23like, Hey, I want to find other ways.
- 17:26To move my body that don't involve running and that's okay
- 17:31A college athlete or even like a professional athlete But that's just a
- 17:34small like kind of glimpse into yeah If you choose to leave the sport that you
- 17:39were doing there is going to be pain.
- 17:41There is going to be grief with that And there's going to be pain no matter
- 17:46whether you choose to leave or not.
- 17:47Right?
- 17:48If you're in recovery from an eating disorder, you could go back to the
- 17:50sport once you are fully recovered.
- 17:52And that's still going to be painful because you're going to
- 17:56be different on the other side of eating disorder recovery.
- 17:58And so all that to say is I think there's pain whether you choose
- 18:02to stay in the sport or not.
- 18:03Lauren, I see
- 18:04Lauren Jackson: Yeah.
- 18:05Laura Deneen: your head.
- 18:06What are
- 18:07Lauren Jackson: Yeah, well because there's grief either way.
- 18:09You're, yeah.
- 18:10You're kind of losing something, right?
- 18:11We talk about this in eating disorder recovery.
- 18:13There's a grief that happens in losing this thing that has been
- 18:16so important, that has been such an important way of coping and of
- 18:21making sense of the world and feeling in control of your life, right?
- 18:25So, I mentioned before I was a ballet dancer for 10 years and it was, I was
- 18:30going to, that was what I was going to do.
- 18:31I was going to be a professional ballet dancer and Sarah Beth, you spoke to this
- 18:35so beautifully earlier that sometimes when we start out in a sport or an, like
- 18:40an activity and we've, we come to love it and we have this passion for it and
- 18:45then maybe we develop an eating disorder and then we discover on the other side
- 18:50that The love we had for it before isn't the love that we have for it after.
- 18:54And that is 100 percent my experience.
- 18:57I fell in love with dance and I just had this kind of natural.
- 19:02Rhythm.
- 19:02I don't know.
- 19:04And so, and I'll speak to this a little bit too.
- 19:08I think there can be some personality traits that are pretty common
- 19:12within the athletes in general.
- 19:15Maybe we tend to be pretty perfectionistic, really
- 19:18high achieving, go getters.
- 19:20We want to do the best.
- 19:21We want to be the best, which are all great traits, but can also be can also
- 19:27be a breeding ground for eating disorders if we're not careful or if that happens,
- 19:32it can lend toward that pretty well.
- 19:36So I along the way, I, my identity, Like we've been speaking to,
- 19:42became very much so enmeshed with I am Lauren, the ballet dancer.
- 19:46Everybody knew that.
- 19:47I was proud of that.
- 19:49I was horrified of letting anybody down.
- 19:55And of not being that person that I felt like people needed me to be.
- 20:02And to help me cope with that, to help me cope with the pressure of that and the
- 20:06distress of that, I developed anorexia and and I eventually started recovery and went
- 20:14through the recovery process and came out the other side and decided that life in
- 20:21recovery was not going to, I wasn't going to be able to live a life in recovery And
- 20:30that was it, that wasn't what I wanted and that wasn't going to work for me.
- 20:36And I realized through the recovery process that along the way in my
- 20:41ballet journey, I started not loving it so much anymore, but because I
- 20:47believed so deeply that everybody needed me to be a ballet dancer.
- 20:50I just had to do it.
- 20:52So that was a really big reason why the eating disorder
- 20:55Developed because it helped me.
- 20:57It helps me to do the thing that I thought everybody needed me to do.
- 21:01And so then I just, I realized on the other side that I didn't have to
- 21:05be anything but myself and I didn't have to prove anything to anybody.
- 21:09And that was just like the most freeing thing ever in the whole wide world.
- 21:11And so, I did quit ballet, but then I found myself kind of a few years past
- 21:19that season, going to some ballet classes for fun and kind of still being able to
- 21:24engage in that space in a way that was completely different than how I engaged
- 21:30with it in the eating disorder, which was really healing for me actually.
- 21:34And then, there are different parts to my journey of like movement and
- 21:37stuff, but I've just found that I can.
- 21:41I can move in a way that feels healthy and safe to me and about it just that it
- 21:47doesn't include ballet and that's okay.
- 21:49And I still love ballet.
- 21:52It is so dear to me.
- 21:53It will always be so dear to me.
- 21:55And so, and so yeah, that identity piece just rings so true.
- 22:00And I think that there's a healthy way to have our identity in something
- 22:05and it not being meshed in it.
- 22:06And I had to figure that out through that recovery process.
- 22:11Laura Deneen: Yeah, and what you're really referencing to is this idea
- 22:15that we talk to clients a lot about whether they're athletes or not is
- 22:19being in our bodies, so embodiment, and I think if an athlete is in recovery
- 22:25from an eating disorder, anyone who has an eating disorder, I hesitate to
- 22:30use blanket statements, but typically struggles with being in their bodies.
- 22:34Right.
- 22:34And so I think that a lot of the work we do, whether it's with an athlete
- 22:39or somebody who's not an athlete is.
- 22:41really working towards embodiment.
- 22:43So, hey, does the sport that you're engaging in, does that allow you to be
- 22:49in your body in a way that feels safe to you, in a way that feels aligned with
- 22:52your values, in a way that you're able to show up in your life and in a healthy way,
- 22:59right, versus a rigid or rule driven way.
- 23:02So those are all things that we are talking to clients and some people
- 23:06are able to Resume their sport and do that in a way that is healthy and some
- 23:10people aren't and there's no judgment either way But I'm curious Sarah Beth
- 23:14like in your professional experience just to put you on the spot here.
- 23:19What is there anything that you have found?
- 23:23really is supportive to Helping people whether that's athletes or people that
- 23:29aren't athletes that are listening in their bodies Anything that you're
- 23:34doing in session, anything that you're giving as homework outside of session.
- 23:38Sarah Beth Flippo: so my favorite thing, I always kind of, I talk with my hands.
- 23:44So when I'm sitting with clients,
- 23:46Laura Deneen: Yes.
- 23:47Sarah Beth Flippo: no.
- 23:47So when I'm sitting with clients, my favorite thing is to talk about that
- 23:52emotion, thought and physical sensation.
- 23:57And one of the things that I typically break down for my clients is that,
- 24:00Our bodies and our minds are so disconnected and I even will have
- 24:03them disconnect in that moment and I want them to physically do it.
- 24:07I'm like, okay, let's disconnect because I think that sometimes our bodies
- 24:11tell us things that our minds are just three sheets to the wind, right?
- 24:15And then vice versa.
- 24:17And so.
- 24:18of the things that I really try to do with my clients, once we like can
- 24:22establish and sit in okay, like my mind might be saying something, my body may be
- 24:26saying something completely different is learning to reconnect both body and mind.
- 24:32And a lot of things that I will do is like planning our feet on the
- 24:36ground, taking a stand up, sitting back down, deep breaths, holding, our
- 24:40stomach or holding our chest area.
- 24:42What are you Feeling what are you actually feeling in your body
- 24:46compared to what do you feel?
- 24:48And I think a lot of it is realigning and reconnecting our
- 24:53Brain in some ways to our body.
- 24:56And so I'll have a client that's Hey, I had this thought this week,
- 24:59but they're also telling me that their body felt something completely
- 25:03different, which is so disconnected.
- 25:04And so it's establishing that realignment.
- 25:07And so I'm one of those people that are like, when my client stands up,
- 25:11I'm going to stand up with them.
- 25:12We're going to do some circles or whatever it's going to take.
- 25:15But I really try and get them even homework wise.
- 25:18Hey, I want you to identify three things that your body is
- 25:21telling you, not your brain.
- 25:22What is.
- 25:23What are you feeling in your body when you get anxious?
- 25:26Are you tense in your shoulders when you are feeling the need to act on a behavior?
- 25:31What is your stomach telling you?
- 25:32Do you feel like what and it's real lining that and I think that I like to do Just
- 25:38like physical you know grounding skills.
- 25:40What can you touch?
- 25:41What can you see?
- 25:42What can you taste?
- 25:43But really trying to reconnect that misalignment in some ways because
- 25:48it can feel so just chaotic And it's Hey, what am I actually thinking?
- 25:52And what am I actually feeling about the same thing?
- 25:55And that's one of my favorite things.
- 25:57Like my clients would be like, are we standing up?
- 25:58I'm like, yeah, we're standing up.
- 25:59Put those feet on the ground.
- 26:00Let's do this.
- 26:01Are we taking deep breaths?
- 26:02We're doing deep breaths.
- 26:03Let's do this.
- 26:04I really want you to feel your body compared to just perceiving yourself
- 26:09because we perceive ourselves.
- 26:11And it's Oh, this is what my body, did it.
- 26:13Yeah.
- 26:14But what is your body actually telling you and what is your
- 26:16thoughts Aligning with that with your body?
- 26:19Laura Deneen: And we know that our emotions show up in our
- 26:21bodies first and foremost.
- 26:23Right.
- 26:23And so looking at Those physical sensations as a cue
- 26:28to our emotional state, right?
- 26:31And that can tell us what's happening.
- 26:33And then like Lauren talks about pretty frequently on the show is
- 26:36that can cue us into what we need.
- 26:38To, of being in our bodies and starting that process.
- 26:43I think that really is a lifelong process of, as we move through
- 26:46different seasons, whether we have been an athlete historically, or
- 26:50maybe we're letting some of that, identity piece go wherever we are.
- 26:55really cuing in I think to our body's physical sensations and what information
- 27:00that's giving us and I agree with you that we do live in a world where head, mind,
- 27:05body, heart, spirit are all disconnected and even for us as therapists, right, we
- 27:11can move through the day and sometimes I can go home and feel disconnected and so
- 27:15that's certainly not a judgment, but it's really that question and that curiosity of
- 27:18okay how can we reconnect to our bodies?
- 27:21in this moment.
- 27:22And that's fruitful whether you're an athlete or not, right?
- 27:27Sarah, Beth, thank you so much for being here today.
- 27:29It's a true joy and honor to talk to you.
- 27:32Sarah Beth Flippo: for having me.
- 27:32Laura Deneen: Yeah.
- 27:33Of course.
- 27:34So we always close with some homework and an affirmation.
- 27:38I know that Sarah Beth is going to give the affirmation.
- 27:41So Sarah Beth, I would love to hear what you have for us
- 27:43Sarah Beth Flippo: Yes.
- 27:44I am more than the sport that I play in the identity piece and
- 27:49that I'm me and that's good.
- 27:55Laura Deneen: I love it.
- 27:55I love it.
- 27:56Lauren, do you want to close with our homework?
- 27:58Lauren Jackson: Yeah, so I'm gonna kind of, Go off of what Sarah Beth was like,
- 28:02literally just saying about, in the eating disorder process we can typically
- 28:07be disconnected from our body and so, I want you to notice three things that
- 28:12your body is telling you this week.
- 28:14Laura Deneen: I love it.
- 28:15Thank you all so much for being here on the Becoming Anchored podcast.
- 28:18We are so grateful to have you with us and we will see you next time.
- 28:22Take care.
- 28:22Lauren Jackson: Bye.