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- 0:00All right, and welcome back. So today's episode,
- 0:03we're going to talk about this new phrase
- 0:05you've maybe heard that's starting to kind
- 0:07of permeate our culture, and that's tonic
- 0:11masculinity. So this is very different from
- 0:13what we've normally heard of toxic masculinity,
- 0:17right? And that one letter signifies a pretty
- 0:21profound difference. And it's something I
- 0:23want to explore here today. Now this phrase
- 0:27is an interesting one. You can kind of go
- 0:29down the internet rabbit hole like I did
- 0:31trying to figure out where did it come from.
- 0:32According to Google, earliest kind of references
- 0:36to it directly are a 2020 medium.com blog
- 0:40entry about creating a healthier workplace
- 0:43environment by bringing in the four masculine
- 0:46archetypes of warrior, magician, lover, and
- 0:49king. Now, a year later in 2021, this guy
- 0:53Miles Groth wrote a bigger journal article
- 0:56entry in a journal about men's health that
- 0:59really defined it even more and I think brought
- 1:02it more into academic circles. Since then,
- 1:05there's been different Christian traditions
- 1:07talking about it. Jordan Peterson's been
- 1:09talking about it. It came up in the presidential
- 1:11campaign. And I think it signifies something
- 1:15that's really happening in our culture, which
- 1:17is this longing, which I've talked about
- 1:20on this podcast before, for healthier manifestations
- 1:24of masculinity to show up in our culture
- 1:27and be there as an example for men and for,
- 1:31frankly, the world. And now the interesting
- 1:34thing about this word tonic, let's start
- 1:36with that. Myles Groth, that author, he kind
- 1:39of talks about it in two different ways.
- 1:42First, there's the actual tonic, like the
- 1:43old bottle, right? We think of in olden times,
- 1:46someone would drink a tonic and magically
- 1:48get cured. And what it really means is it's
- 1:51a invigorating substance that has a positive
- 1:55influence, right? So you can think of a tonic
- 1:57as something that brings positivity and vitality
- 2:02to our system. So for something to be a tonic,
- 2:06it's an actual positive force against maybe
- 2:11unhealthy parts of our system. So tonic masculinity
- 2:15in that sense is this force of good in the
- 2:19world. Now, the second one, and I thought
- 2:22this one was really fascinating, was it also
- 2:25means the first note of a musical scale,
- 2:29what's really called a song's home key. So
- 2:32this is the part of a song that it's the
- 2:36note that we come back to throughout the
- 2:38song that actually sounds like a relief.
- 2:42So we go through the song and then we come
- 2:44back to this first note and it actually relieves
- 2:47us. So it's kind of the home base of freedom
- 2:51and relief in this musical scale system.
- 2:54And when you think about both of those, I
- 2:56think they really point to why there's such
- 3:00a yearning and hunger for talk about tonic
- 3:03masculinity in our culture. But before we
- 3:07even get even deeper into that, let's start
- 3:10with the other one that we've heard so much
- 3:12about, toxic. Now, I've talked about on this
- 3:15show, I don't actually believe in toxic masculinity
- 3:20or even toxic femininity. Toxic would mean
- 3:23it's inherently evil and bad. There is nothing
- 3:28good or redeemable about it. It's toxic,
- 3:31right? It's toxic waste. It's always going
- 3:34to be that way. I don't believe in that.
- 3:37What I tend to think about is more pathological
- 3:42masculinity. So pathological means something
- 3:46has grown awry, taken a wrong turn away from
- 3:52health and the system. So nobody starts as
- 3:55toxic, but we can all grow through pathological
- 3:59means to a place that's not so healthy. And
- 4:03that has absolutely happened with the masculine.
- 4:07And I've talked about that plenty on the
- 4:09show. And I do a lot of work with men around
- 4:11this, dismantling the man box, the lone wolf,
- 4:15and primarily the disembodied and disconnected
- 4:19man who's not in touch with his heart. in
- 4:22his body, in his environment. When that man
- 4:26is disconnected, that's when men, the masculine,
- 4:30can do the most awful things and really try
- 4:34to take control over people through domination,
- 4:38often causing hurt and harm to others along
- 4:42the way, including the environment. But that's
- 4:45pathological, meaning no one starts there
- 4:49as a man, as a young boy. Something happens
- 4:52in our system which knocks us off our healthy
- 4:55growth path into this more twisted form of
- 4:59masculinity. Now, tonic masculinity, I think,
- 5:03is a bit of the corrective to that, of how
- 5:07do we keep things growing vitally and healthily
- 5:11from that home base place of the masculine,
- 5:15which is actually a place that is deeply
- 5:18caring, deeply attuned, deeply present, and
- 5:23wants to create and protect those around
- 5:28it. And so this idea of tonic masculinity
- 5:33as this positive version, this positive force
- 5:38of masculine in the world, I think is really
- 5:41needed in our culture right now. Because
- 5:43the thing is, the mistake I think a lot of
- 5:45people make is that we need less masculine
- 5:49energy in the world. Where I've talked about
- 5:52before, and I'll reiterate here, I think
- 5:54we need more The feminine, women, all the
- 5:59manifestations of that in male or female
- 6:02bodies, doing a pretty damn good job of trying
- 6:05to keep this planet afloat, keep this whole
- 6:07thing going. And that polarity, which isn't
- 6:11just gendered, it isn't just cultural, this
- 6:14actually goes into the fabric of our being
- 6:17in reality, right? Life and death, light
- 6:19and dark, yin and yang, this polarity shows
- 6:22up everywhere. And they're stronger together.
- 6:26And we need more masculine energy of the
- 6:30positive kind in the world right now, the
- 6:32kind that calls forth the best of everyone.
- 6:37And you can think of tonic masculinity being
- 6:42another way to talk about the unique texture
- 6:46of masculine love. Right? So we can all love
- 6:50in any way we want, but I think there's a
- 6:53unique version of love that is particularly
- 6:56masculine in its essence. And this masculine
- 7:00love is actually generative. It's about growth
- 7:06and becoming and having a vision and moving
- 7:10towards it. So masculine love in a sense
- 7:13is penetrative. It goes deeper and beyond
- 7:17where we're at in the moment. So masculine
- 7:21love includes the vision of what could be
- 7:24in the world, right? So masculine love is
- 7:29often expressed in creating a container or
- 7:32a structure that love and goodness can flow
- 7:37into. There's this great book called The
- 7:41Flowering Wand that came out a couple years
- 7:44ago by Sophie Strand that actually talks
- 7:47about a lot of this and examines it culturally
- 7:50and historically of what happened masculinity
- 7:54wasn't always toxic. There was a tonic generative
- 7:58version of it for many, many years. And she
- 8:01really examines this specifically through
- 8:05the lens of the shift from masculinity being
- 8:08representative with a wand to a sword. So
- 8:12the wand was actually something that gave
- 8:15life and created and added to the world.
- 8:19The sword is actually what cuts and reduces
- 8:24and separates. And it was that separation
- 8:28of the masculine heart from our head in our
- 8:31body that I think really laid the groundwork
- 8:33for this wave of toxic masculinity that's
- 8:37become so big and pervasive in our culture.
- 8:40But it's not the inherent way of being. Tonic
- 8:45masculinity The flowering wand, as she calls
- 8:48it, the part of the masculine that can actually
- 8:51create and generate and add to the world,
- 8:54includes masculine sexuality, something that
- 8:57has often been demonized as taking, dominating,
- 9:01but doesn't have to be that way. Trust me,
- 9:04I've worked with hundreds of men that have
- 9:07learned that their sexuality can actually
- 9:10be a creative gift to the world. Our sexual
- 9:14drive, our sexual power is not the problem.
- 9:18It's what do we do with it. And if we bring
- 9:22it into the world by dehumanizing and objectifying
- 9:27the people around us, that's when it's a
- 9:30problem. But if we are connected to our hearts
- 9:33and connected to the humanity of those around
- 9:35us, it's not so much a problem. We can use
- 9:38that energy responsibly, literally, to create
- 9:42life and love in the world. And that's really
- 9:45what this tonic masculinity is about. So
- 9:49you can think of tonic masculinity, again,
- 9:53as a version of masculine love. And it's
- 9:57this love that sees what can be. It actually
- 10:02penetrates into potential. I see this all
- 10:06the time in my men's groups, where men who
- 10:10drop in with each other, and it's this shift
- 10:14away from calling out, which has been so
- 10:16big in our culture, to calling forward, which
- 10:20means, I see you. I see your depth, your
- 10:26heart, your goodness. You are not rotten
- 10:30to the core. Maybe some of the actions you've
- 10:34taken have been less than healthy, but I
- 10:39know that's not who you are. So I'm going
- 10:41to stand here and with love call you forward
- 10:46to be the best version of yourself you can
- 10:48be. This is the shift from kind of toxic
- 10:51shame as Brene Brown talks about it, which
- 10:53is where we actually fuse the shame with
- 10:57the person And we shift it to healthy shame,
- 11:01which is more about the behavior. You were
- 11:04not rotten, but what you did there is not
- 11:06cool. It's not okay. You hurt yourself. You
- 11:10hurt your partner. You hurt others. This
- 11:13is where tonic masculinity is really needed
- 11:16in the world. When I say we need more healthy
- 11:19masculine, the masculine needs to call forward
- 11:24the masculine, right? It's us that can look
- 11:26another man in the eye and say, You got to
- 11:29do better, man, because I know you can. I
- 11:31see you. I see your heart. I see what's potential
- 11:34for you. That masculine love is so important
- 11:39to this radical embracing of who you are
- 11:42right now, connected to the vision of your
- 11:46highest self in the future. You can think
- 11:51of this metaphor I recently heard for, you
- 11:53know, the masculine is the part of us that
- 11:56brings structure. can bring structure to
- 12:00the world. And masculine love would be seeing
- 12:04the vision for, let's say, a home, a house,
- 12:08and then actually building it. Now, the feminine
- 12:12love would be what turns that house into
- 12:16a home. So it fills the space. It fills the
- 12:22space of that structure that the masculine
- 12:24created. and it loves it as it is. This is
- 12:28the house we have, so how do we make it beautiful,
- 12:31right? And we need both. Here's my vision
- 12:35for what we could create, and here's how
- 12:37we then take the reality we're now in, and
- 12:40we make it beautiful. And we need both versions
- 12:43of this love. And particularly right now,
- 12:47we need a masculine version of it to counteract
- 12:50so many of the forces in our world are really
- 12:54quite negative, right? There's been this
- 12:58huge swing in our culture, our art, in our
- 13:01stories about the apocalypse, about the world
- 13:04ending, about dystopia. And there's very
- 13:09few models of positivity, of what could it
- 13:13be? What is the vision we are moving towards
- 13:17as a global community, right? To me, that's
- 13:21going to come just as much from the masculine
- 13:24as it is from the feminine. And this is the
- 13:28tonic, right? This is what I'm saying here.
- 13:30The tonic is it brings life force. It's generative.
- 13:34It brings love and vitality to the system.
- 13:39I've seen countless stories of the men I've
- 13:41worked with of how desperate they were for
- 13:45any masculine figure in their life to slow
- 13:48down, see them, acknowledge them, just turn
- 13:55to him and say, I believe in you. Let's figure
- 13:58this out. I've talked about this before as
- 14:01the father energy I think we all need, which
- 14:05is that energy of, let's figure this out
- 14:09together. What's our plan? Where are we stuck?
- 14:13Where are we falling? Where are we hurting?
- 14:16You don't have to do that alone. We can figure
- 14:18that out and move forward together. That
- 14:21father energy is tonic masculinity. It's
- 14:26the type of masculinity that uses our power
- 14:31to create structures to empower those around
- 14:34us. So the best type of masculine power I
- 14:38believe in is one that flows through us to
- 14:42empower those around us. And when we have
- 14:46that tonic masculinity in our system, we
- 14:49come alive as men. I see it all the time
- 14:53in guys I'm working with. When they make
- 14:55this shift from, wait, other men don't have
- 14:58to be my competition, but can be my allies,
- 15:01and can help hold me accountable and move
- 15:04me towards the vision of what I want to bring
- 15:07forward in the world, and call me forward
- 15:11if they see me not hitting that mark, Right?
- 15:15This is the spinach in the teeth moment I
- 15:17often talk about. Masculine love is the love
- 15:20that looks at us and says, hey, you have
- 15:23a big ass piece of spinach in your teeth
- 15:25right now. Want to pull that out? And then
- 15:28maybe we're flooded with a little embarrassment
- 15:30at first, but ultimately we trust that person
- 15:32even more because they really pointed out
- 15:35something to us that was meaningful. And
- 15:38then we could remove that and move on with
- 15:40our life. Right? Versus Not saying anything
- 15:44at all. And that's something we see a lot
- 15:47with men these days. Just not saying anything
- 15:50at all. And most men I know are dying, are
- 15:54craving, are yearning for the feedback of
- 15:57tonic masculinity and love. This love that
- 16:00penetrates us, that sees through our bullshit
- 16:04in the moment to what we could be. And so
- 16:07this is an important moment in our culture.
- 16:10Men's work has been building these last decades,
- 16:13and it's about to hit a crescendo of, turns
- 16:16out, us men are hurting. And we need support
- 16:22and help in transforming that. And one of
- 16:26the best places we can get that is from other
- 16:29men. And this idea of tonic masculinity also
- 16:34ties into this concept of masculinity as
- 16:37a transmission I've talked about in a previous
- 16:40episode, which is the fastest way for us
- 16:44men to transform how we're showing up in
- 16:48the world is to actually be around healthy,
- 16:52embodied versions of masculinity. So through
- 16:57mirror neurons and through being in the presence
- 17:00of other men who have done their inner work
- 17:03to be grounded, to be open, to be relaxed,
- 17:08to be sensitive, to be attuned, and to be
- 17:11deeply aware of the system they're embedded
- 17:14in, it's profound. For me, I remember when
- 17:19I was 26, I tell this story. I was working
- 17:21with an older mentor of mine. And I sat in
- 17:24a circle with him, and my body had the experience
- 17:28of, that's what I want to be when I grow
- 17:30up. And it had nothing to do with his career
- 17:33or occupation. It had to do with how he was
- 17:36being in the world. Relaxed, calm, powerful,
- 17:43direct, sensitive. able to access his full
- 17:49range of emotions without either collapsing
- 17:52into them or posturing against them. He could
- 17:56be in tears and be strong. He could be angry
- 18:00and be safe. He could be getting feedback
- 18:04about his behavior but not collapsed in shame.
- 18:08This is the type of masculinity men are dying
- 18:12for in the world right now. And it is the
- 18:14tonic version. It's when we're around it,
- 18:17we feel more alive. We feel more ourselves.
- 18:21We feel more connected and able to contribute
- 18:26to our environment, our culture, our community,
- 18:30and more. So it's time for men to really
- 18:34step forward into this tonic version. And
- 18:37guess what? It doesn't just happen by itself.
- 18:41It takes work to unwind the wounding from
- 18:45our childhoods, the wounding from our cultures,
- 18:48the wounding from our families, the wounding
- 18:51we've experienced from primarily often other
- 18:55men who are the ones that have beat us down
- 18:57into this is how you have to be. And anything
- 19:00less than that is not masculine. This is
- 19:04part of the shift that's happening right
- 19:06now, where men are learning to embrace and
- 19:09take responsibility for our inner world.
- 19:15That takes work, that takes growth, that
- 19:19takes often being extremely uncomfortable,
- 19:22and it takes support and mentorship from
- 19:25coaches, other men, men's groups, therapists,
- 19:30you name it. And we've had so few visions
- 19:34of this in our culture, a lot of men don't
- 19:36know what to grow towards. Tonic masculinity
- 19:39is a manifestation of that. It's the masculinity
- 19:43that brings more love in life and safety
- 19:48to the system it's embedded in. And we need
- 19:51a lot more of that here in the world right
- 19:54now. If you want some help diving into this,
- 19:58check out my work at evolutionary.men. Until
- 20:01next time.