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gut health with Club Gevity · From 9 to Mom

• Catie Fitzgerald: Welcome back to From 9 to Mom. Danielle: where we discuss balancing the nine to five hustle with the beautiful chaos that we call motherhood. And today pretty excited about this conversation as I sit here and drink my diet soda. We're going to talk about gut health with Kyle. Kyle, welcome to the podcast, but I got to do a little intro about you guys. So Kyle's the founder of Club Gevity He's a human optimization expert. Catie Fitzgerald: This episode of From Nine to Mom is brought to you by Local Social Club. Local Social Club is a kids' snapback hat brand started by two New England moms who couldn't find hats for their toddler boys that felt like their style. Everything felt too childish or gimmicky. Out of that frustration, they started designing snapback hats inspired by their husbands' favorite hats, just scaled down for kids. From there, Local Social Club was born Danielle: focus on gut health and longevity. And I know that sounds crazy, but after talking to Kyle, it truly is what you do. help people take control of their gut health and their biology. So your energy can come back to normal. You can gain clarity in your everyday life and you make people better. And Rick, I know you've experienced that and we're going to talk about that today, but Kyle, we're excited for you to help us ⁓ how to have more energy and more clarity as crazy chaotic moms. Catie Fitzgerald: you a classic New England feel and thoughtful details like soft interior linings, adjustable snaps, ⁓ signature roping, these snapbacks are made for kids' everyday lives. Kyle Napier: Yes, I'm excited to be on. Thank you guys for having me. We got to start with getting rid of the diet coke, but we'll get to that point. ⁓ But yeah, I made it my mission to, I view the body as like a complex machine. So the more we can fix each system instead of kind of breaking it down into one symptom at a time, ⁓ the better our health can be. So I'm excited to educate as many people as I can today. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah, and I think one of things that we wanted to kind of start with when and I putting questions together, we obviously want to talk more about gut health and how it impacts sleep or that, but we kind of wanted to go to start, why does everything feel harder once you become a mom? Use the FNTM to get 20 % off your first order. pertaining to the gut health and sleep and that type of thing. Kyle Napier: Yeah, yeah. So first I'm going to break down what the gut is a little bit, just so you can get a kind of an analogy as we move forward, because I'll keep bouncing back and forth to the idea. So the gut is, everyone just thinks it's the stomach and that's all we think of. ⁓ my stomach hurts, know, tummy ache, tummy ache. But it's really a 25 foot long tube that's very complex. And the easiest way to explain it is like a garden. So it's a robust garden that lives inside of us that either flourishes with the good bacteria or can really wreak havoc on our system with the bad bacteria. And those are the weeds. So think of a garden. If we have a bunch of flowers, robust rainforest diversity, they're going to be in pretty good health. And if we have a lot of the bad bugs taking over, we're going to see a dried out weedy garden, which no one likes to see. So that's the best way to see the gut. Unfortunately, if things are going well, we got, you the nutrition status is really good. The vitamins are converting, we're hydrated. things are moving smoothly, we should be having a bowel movement every day. And if things are going bad, we see all sorts of stuff from weight gain, fatigue, sleep issues, a whole combination of things that can happen. But that's kind of where I want to start, just to give you an idea of what's going on down there. It's not just the stomach. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah, and I think it's interesting to talk about moms, especially in early motherhood, like sleep deprivation, stress, a of people getting back into their work and switching routines so often. And you talk about like, you know, are you hydrated? Like the answer is pretty much always no. ⁓ Yeah, As Danielle takes another sip. Danielle: No. Kyle Napier: No. Diet Coke. Rick Visca: Thanks. Catie Fitzgerald: But like, I guess let's dive into too, the, the, health specifically for women, like, how does that kind of tie into feeling? feel like everyone always is like, I'm bloated. Every single one of my mom and friends is saying that. ⁓ and like, what does that really mean? Kyle Napier: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so there's a lot to that, for moms, we're creatures that live on rhythms and cycles. And unfortunately, motherhood destroys every rhythm and cycle you could possibly have. The sleep goes away, the gut rhythm goes away, and the hormones are all out of whack. So it causes a lot of problems within the gut, but bloating is really like a symptom of something. It's kind of a signal, like something's going on within the gut, whether it's... constant stress that causes a speed up or slow down of the gut. So you could have constipation, diarrhea, or there's something else going on where we're you know, running on goldfish and maybe coffee and diet cokes all day and you never get a full meal in and that causes stress on the system too. Catie Fitzgerald: Thank you. Right. Danielle: Yeah, I'm laughing at what you just said because we actually recently posted a reel and it's gotten like the most traction of any reel we've done in like a few months. And it's about how they say you should just feed the kids what you're eating. But it's like growing chips and Oreos and a cheese stick and like the worst foods you could possibly imagine because you're literally eating like scraps of what you should be. And I think, you know, that's one of the things that you see. Kyle Napier: Nuff. Hahaha Danielle: And I think this goes for men and women after you have kids, honestly, because everyone's messed up and you're all fighting to survive. with the chaos and the craziness, and I'm going a little off like the beaten path here. What is your suggestion to people like us? Like, how do we get started when there's just so much chaos? Like, what's the best thing to do? Kyle Napier: Yeah. Yeah, the best thing I think is getting back to the basics, which sounds really simple. moms, we got to find little snippets of time, whether it's first thing in the morning after the kids go to bed or whatever it may be, to be a little bit selfish with our time. So we got to take that five to 10 minutes to do some breath work or maybe it's a YouTube yoga session or walk on the treadmill, whatever it may be, which sounds like an easy answer. But we got to be a little bit selfish with the time. Unfortunately. Moms have what females in general have what's called caregiver syndrome, where we put the needs of everyone else in the world before the needs of themselves, whether it's the kid, the husband, cleaning the house, running to an appointment, soccer practice, whatever it is, we give our time away all day long. And we need to take just 10 minutes to ourselves so we can give the rest of the day away. That's my best advice to being able to get back onto a beaten path, getting started, because it's consistency, it's not. It's not all we do this and you're going to be great. It's you got to do the little things right every, every day. And things start to turn around for you. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. Danielle: Well, since you're an expert, we're going to keep that. Like we're going to use that as the reason for it. So anybody can just replay that portion to your spouse, your kids, your boss. doesn't matter. Say like, Kyle said I need this. So I'm going to go do some yoga. Kyle Napier: Yeah, right. Catie Fitzgerald: everyone. Kyle Napier: Yeah. Catie Fitzgerald: Please leave me alone. ⁓ But I think too, like something we had to talk about too is like stress. I think one of the notes that we had put on there, like how does stress and cortisol levels affect your gut? Kyle Napier: No, yeah, no husband's coming to see me, that's for sure. Rick Visca: you. Kyle Napier: Yeah. Yeah. So one thing back to the garden analogy, ⁓ the garden's also surrounded. didn't get into this by like, ⁓ think of a screen door on your, on your back door porch or your, or your garage door. That screen door lets things in and out. And if it's working well, we let in the water, the nutrients that we need to survive. And if it's not working well, we allow in, there's a little rips in the little screen holes and stuff. You let in some bacteria, undigested food, viruses. Those cause a little inflammation throughout the body. the reason cortisol really screws this up is cortisol creates those little tiny holes in the gut lining or the screen door, for instance, that allows that stuff to spill in. And people that are struggling in health, it's really from living with low grade inflammation. So that's why you get blood test and everything looks great, but we don't look at the low grade inflammation that's going on that's causing the brain fog. You're not sleeping more than four hours, I'm sure, in motherhood. And it just causes stress over time. good stress is like, you know, if we were running away back in the day from a bear or something, we wanted cortisol to spike high, but moms live with cortisol high from the minute they wake up to the minute they go to bed. So those constant high points are what's causing a whole bunch of issues with female hormones. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah, and it's interesting you talk about blood work. So I feel like, and I'm going to just throw a random thing out. So like, I remember after I had my second kid, I, know, I had talked to my ⁓ and I, you know, gave her some of the symptoms I was experiencing as my like menstrual cycle came back and that. And the first thing she did was like, we need to send you for blood and we're going to get your thyroid checked. And like, as far as it went. everything was normal. So then like there was nothing else at that point. And I know at Club Jeopardy, you kind of dive into some of that. So I want you to start kind of going into how you kind of start when you work with somebody. What is that, that starting point look like? Kyle Napier: Yeah. Danielle: Yes. Kyle Napier: Yeah, believe, you know, unfortunately the medical system's a lot of guessing, a lot of like, oh, maybe it's this, maybe it's this, try this, you know. So my real goal is to take the guesswork out of it and collect the data before I start with anybody. So I do a full at-home blood test. So it's going to test a little bit more than what they want to test. That's just free with insurance companies. So it's going to look at the inflammation status, your thyroid function, all this stuff in one comprehensive at-home test. But I also give out the stool test, which which kind of looks at everything that's going on in the microbiome, the garden that we've talked about earlier, to really pinpoint what's overgrown, what's not doing too well, what do we need to fix? And then the last part that I do for lot of my in-person clients is a ⁓ genetic methylation test that's called. only one time you got to take it and it looks at your DNA and tells us what nutrients are you not able to convert to the usable form inside the body, which is really important. So if you can't convert, say folic acid, is in every kid's food that you can possibly think of right now. If you look at the back of any cracker, that's going to say enriched or bleached flour. those % of Americans can't convert that to the usable form, folic acid that is. ⁓ And causes a bunch of problems within kids from behavioral issues to mood problems. ⁓ I a little off path there, but that's the main point is getting the data. ⁓ Danielle: No, that's that's perfect because we want to talk about that too, because it's something I feel like we don't talk about a lot, but we get a lot of ads right now. Right. It's like a bunch of ads for these vitamins and things that you can give your kids to fix their behavior. Because I think everybody's starting to recognize that like the body is a more I love the garden analogy. Like I would never think of like my intestine as a garden. But now that I do, want to treat it like a delicate garden a little more. So Catie Fitzgerald: you You Danielle: ⁓ I, but we get all these things, everyone's recognizing that like you heal yourself a lot of times from the inside out and, but they don't know how to fix it. So I've gone down the path of buying the gummies or the supplements or whatever. And it just being a huge waste of money. Cause you, recognize it, but we don't know how to fix it. So can you go into like a little bit? I would have never thought about the fact that I'm giving them more folic acid that they can't digest. Like, when do you know it's time? What's the right age to like get kids involved in this? Kyle Napier: ⁓ yeah. Danielle: process. Kyle Napier: Yeah, yeah, there's no like specific right age, but even the microbiome test can be given to even newborn babies. It's just looking at their stool. It's just a little probe that you do at home, send it into the lab and it'll give us a complete analysis of what's going on inside of their microbiome inside of the garden. Danielle: Katie, how helpful would that have been with Jack? Like, think about it. Catie Fitzgerald: ⁓ my gosh. Well, so Kyle, you don't know the whole background, but so my first born, had a terrible time. Both my kids were formula fed and oldest, was just a month early. He wasn't fully with everything. We ended up ⁓ testing him for He was having like terrible reactions to every formula I could give this kid. We were like, Rick Visca: Thank you. Catie Fitzgerald: that by the time we got to a year and we could switch him to like whole milk, I was like, thank God, because I can't keep switching this poor kid on formulas or like any, you know, with that. we went hypoallergenic. I was on like, I think at one point I had like some goats milk. I don't know. And I know that's a whole nother ball game talking about formula and that but even still like he has never done well with dairy. Kyle Napier: Yeah Catie Fitzgerald: ⁓ he will, he can tolerate it, but it's not to the point that I've gotten him retested for that. But at this point now I have a two and four year old that eat, want to eat chicken nuggets. It's like a miracle to get them to eat a vegetable. Kyle Napier: You Danielle: My son just told me he wants to be a vegetarian. I don't know what to do. He won't eat anything. Rick Visca: us. Catie Fitzgerald: But it's so hard. I think it's like, what are some of the things we can focus on for the kids, whether it's food that are really helpful for their gut health. Kyle Napier: Yeah, so it's tough. Kids, obviously, they're kind of like sponges. So they're a product of what the parents are doing. And obviously we talked about it earlier. Mothers are on the run all the time, fathers too. You you're just grabbing and going. You don't have much time to go home, make the dinner, go to work, do that, all that stuff. So a lot of the processed food kind of wrecks havoc on the garden. So over time, those bad bugs, those weeds, they want processed foods because that's what they run on. kind of pings for more processed food, more processed food. And we lose our palette for those vegetables that ⁓ feeding the good bugs. ⁓ Danielle: So that's true. Like your body's literally like the little kid's body saying like, need just like ours is I need this diet coke right now because if that's what bodies create, even though I know it's not good. Kyle Napier: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. We don't think of it this way, but we don't eat to feed ourselves. We eat to feed those bugs inside of our garden. So anything we eat, the bugs break down. So if it's the bad bugs that we're having overgrown in there, they might crave sugar. They're going to ping the brain to eat sugar. So we're not actually eating just to feed ourselves. We're eating to feed those little trillion microbes inside the gut. So if they're overrun, yeah, you got to clean them out. Danielle: We've got pests in the garden. Kyle Napier: But that's what we do. We look at the data that what's going on there, and then we put you on a plan to fix it. There's no guesswork involved. We find exactly what's going on and go after that. Rick Visca: And I don't know if this is relevant, but Kyle, remember we were talking about when the baby is born, the way that it gets its bacteria ⁓ the mother and things like that. So I don't know if you want to talk about that just a little bit. Danielle: even a third. Kyle Napier: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. The way, the way baby is born is like huge into creating the initial microbiome. Unfortunately, some C-sections are necessary, but going through the birth canal is the first microbiome that the baby gets inoculated with. So gives it all the bacteria that it goes down the canal with is all the first of good bugs that are in your gut. ⁓ So, that's how we get an initial inoculation of it. And then from the Catie Fitzgerald: you'll see. Kyle Napier: mother's breast milk. hopefully your breastfeeding if you can, is what are those prebiotics, which are like the fibers and stuff that feed those good ⁓ So, so if we, if either one of those is thrown off, whether you have to, you know, C-section and then, you know, formula fed the microbiome that's developed from ⁓ one old to three years old is really not where we want it to be not optimal. So there's a lot of things that we can supplement with. ⁓ we talked about, you talked about formula a little bit. The formula industry is destroying kids, unfortunately, just filling them with a bunch of junk that's in there, emulsifiers, seed oils, stuff that's just inflaming the system. And we're already kind of seeing the problems with it, but it's going to continue to see behavioral problems, disorders, all sorts of things that are showing up later in the kid's life because we never developed the gut in the proper way when they were first born. Rick Visca: And from experience with my granddaughters, we had to get a specific formula that was ⁓ in from like Sweden or somewhere, right? Because of all the formula that was made here, they weren't able to tolerate. you know, unfortunately, you you go through with the shortages of that and they're not coming out and you have to run the Walmart and make sure that you're able to get these, you know, and you feel guilty buying five of them when you know someone's coming in for the same thing, you know, but, yeah, the formulas that are Kyle Napier: Yeah. Danielle: was happening. Rick Visca: here are, know, not really good for the babies. Yeah. Kyle Napier: They're not good. And if they are, it's a little overwhelming when you're in the aisle and it's more expensive. The ones that are organic have less of the toxins and stuff in them, but you're already on a tight budget when you're a parent. having to try to put those into the routine too, it's just, it's not very sustainable. Catie Fitzgerald: Right. Yeah, it's very. Danielle: It's funny that Rick said that because Katie, I remember going and like shopping here trying to find it. And at one point I told you to buy formula. I don't know if was from Sweden, but my friend was buying formula overseas. Catie Fitzgerald: ⁓ my God. Well, a lot of people buy the Bobby formula, which is from overseas. And I've done, ⁓ of shut that off from my brain now that I'm done with it. I'm like, I don't ever want to look at formula ever again, because I had done that. And that was, you know, what were going through at the time. But we went through when the, the manufacturing here had the shortage, shortage right, right. As COVID was happening. And I literally, I had Danielle down in targets, trying to find the ⁓ one formula Jack could have. Rick Visca: Right. Catie Fitzgerald: at the time because I had a prescription for it actually was getting it behind the counter and they just told me all of a sudden, yeah, we can't fill that. And like, okay, so what do I do? They keep ⁓ one two stocked in most grocery stores and that was the only one that like he was doing well with at the time. And it was just is ⁓ so but it's a really good point of like not ignoring those things when you ⁓ are Rick Visca: Mm-hmm. Catie Fitzgerald: when you have a formula fed baby, like you have to be really aware of the signals of them not tolerating it, issues with their gut. I mean, as I was doing the formula feeding, I was having to supplement with prebiotics, whichever one. ⁓ I was supplementing with both all ⁓ I'm like, have 10 things to give this poor kid to sure that ⁓ he just poop. Kyle Napier: Yep, both probably, yes. Danielle: They're okay. Yeah. And I had one, I didn't make enough milk for Colton, but Daisy would only drink breast milk. And I'm thinking about Colton seven now. And what you said is like hitting me a little bit. Like things are showing up later. So like, I wish I had this conversation then because what could I have done for him earlier to like help out? Because I think a lot of things we don't know as parents is what's normal and what's not normal and what could be really actually associated with food. I mean, everyone you talk to has like a kid with focus issues. Like I'm not alone in that. where, and it's like, how much of it is real versus how much is it diet? Like, can you feed it? Can you give us a little more info on that? Kyle Napier: Yeah, I think a lot of it starts at early development, you what we're feeding in the gut and stuff. But a lot of it too is, you know, as we get into later in life, kids food is, you know, American normal is feeding a bagel and then and then at lunch, having a piece of pizza and then coming home and having a, you know, frozen meal or something. So the nutrition there is just not not very optimal. And we what we call blood sugar control, we spike it up, we come back down, we spike it up and that big roller coaster causes people to be alive for the hour, that sugar spike and then crash and have ⁓ mood problems or get super sleepy or whatever it is. That roller coaster long-term is a disaster for health. So it's just getting back to being able to provide the kid with some kind of nutritional thing. And sometimes you might have to trick them in the morning, add something to the oatmeal or whatever it may be. to get them to get the nutrition they need in. But I think a lot of it is the parents gotta try to make a change too. Because kids, they see you eating a grilled chicken instead of fried chicken all the time and maybe they wanna switch over to eating the grilled chicken or hopefully they do. Or they don't have an option because that's all they're eating. But whatever it may be, yeah. Catie Fitzgerald: I get it. Hey, the winning, the winning might. Danielle: Well, what's your thought on that too? Like you eat what you get, like, but then they're hungry. So do you have any advice on that? Kyle Napier: Yeah. Yeah. Try to, try to push as much healthy fat, like as you can and, and protein. So those two things alone are going to keep the child satisfied in terms of not being hungry. more we push carbohydrates, you know, think your pasta, your bagels, your breads, whatever we're going to get hungry within an hour or two right afterwards. So, so try to push that. And for snacks, I love like I know a lot of kids probably have gone away from having nuts and seeds, but your almonds, your seeds, all that have a good fat protein complex in there. So that's really good for them. And then just look at the back of the label on there. If it says fortified or enriched, like I was talking about earlier, they're going to have major issues with those. So try to get those out. And it's hard to do, but there's a lot. We have Wegmans. We're thankful up here. We got quite the grocery store. I don't know what's down. Danielle: This one. Yeah, you guys are lucky. We're getting one here. Yup, then progress. Kyle Napier: Oh, are getting one. Okay, great. but they have a whole section. I hope they have a whole section that's like your, fact that we have a healthy food section and a grocery storage tells you a lot about what's going on. But there's a lot of snacks that you can change out that have just as good taste that have a lot more nutritional value for them. Danielle: Kylie may need you, if you don't already have this resource, to do a side by side, replace this with this, replace this with this, because I think that's the biggest thing that we all, we have our go-tos that our kids love, and they look at the packaging, it's the dumbest thing, but they look at the, I've tried to buy healthier versions of gummy snacks, and my kids are like, I don't like those ones. I'm like, you didn't even try them there. They're not in the right color package. Kyle Napier: Yeah. Catie Fitzgerald: The gummy situation is always insane because you look at, and I hate to even say this, so I hope my, I don't think they listen, but my in-laws always, they go to the candy store with my kids and they come home and I'm like, the amount of dye in these foods that they're coming home with. And I'm like, you know, it's, I want grandma and grandpa to have their moment and do that. But then we got to a point a few weeks ago, I was like, we need to stop. Like I am like noticing his behavior, right? Like I'm, I want him to be able to have a treat, of course, but like weekly, like, can we have it like once a month, maybe where it's something like that. Like I'm all for like a little dumb dumb as a treat, like to give them, you know, focus on what we need to. But yeah, like trying to make healthier decisions for them with the snacks is so hard. And then you get into the price point of half of it, right? Like you start looking at the decisions people have to make because of the price is often. ⁓ Danielle: America definitely makes it easier to eat poorly than to eat healthy. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. Kyle Napier: ⁓ yeah, we market what we call the sad diet, the standard American diet. It's just ridiculous. Every kid show in America has all the bad things that you don't want them to eat, but obviously they see it all day. So they're going to reach for that at the grocery store over some healthy option in a different aisle because the package doesn't look as pretty. That's for sure. Catie Fitzgerald: Right, right. It doesn't have Spider-Man on the gummy package. We can't have it. That's literally sometimes what it is. They want that because it's Rick Visca: Bye. Kyle Napier: Yeah, can't have that. Danielle: I feel like we, I genuinely could ask you a million questions about kids. Like we might have to do a follow up, but I do want to get to one thing that's actually like not on the sheet that I like, or thought process that I want to know. All of us, as we're getting older, doesn't matter what age you are. Katie was a soccer athlete. was a cheerleader dancer. it's not just like our guts, like it's our joints and our, those things. So I was eating with, dinner last night with a bunch of girlfriends who were all athletes and they were, one of them broke their, like sprained their foot. The other one, thing. How connected is your gut to like healing like your, that part of your body? Kyle Napier: Yeah. So they call the gut, second brain and there's an old saying, well, all disease begins in the gut. most things happen because of the guts a little bit out of whack first, and you might not notice it. You might have to be still having normal gut things, but down the line, that's why I talk about the body being a complex machine. all the systems have to work together. So if the gut starts having a little bit of what we call leaky gut, where it's going through that screen door and it's leaking information into it. It gets to the joints. That's what we call arthritis. That's inflammation of the joints. You could have deficiencies in certain vitamins and nutrients. So, you know, there's precursors to hormones, for instance, is vitamin D. So for super low in vitamin D, we can throw off all sorts of the hormone cycle. So it really plays a big role into the rest of the body. That's why I really target that as, you know, phase one, when I start any client, it's we're going to go after the gut, whether they think they have something or they don't think they have anything. We're going to target it for sure. But it plays downstream to the whole rest of the body. We got to figure out the source of what's going on. The root cause of why, you know, your joints inflamed or you're gaining weight on control, but you're eating, you know, pita chips and hummus for lunch and somehow you're gaining weight. It's just a signal that something's going on and we got to find it. And that's kind of the whole goal of the program at Club Jody. Catie Fitzgerald: And I have another question that I thought of and we didn't prep you with it, but I just want to get your opinion on it. It's such a hot, Ozempic, GLP ones, everyone's like, it's the hottest thing topic right now. And I feel like it's, I'm getting ads for it constantly on my Instagram. And I feel like they're attacking moms of like, hey, use these as a quick fix to like get your body back. What's your opinion ⁓ those types of things? Danielle: I was gonna ask. Kyle Napier: Yeah. Yeah, not a big believer in any kind of quick fix. It's just, in they never really are a quick fix, right? But I think it was good intention being created. was started as a type two diabetic drug. So people that were, you know, extremely overweight or they're having troubles, complications with type two diabetic, it lowered their insulin levels, which helped them lose the weight quick. And then it became available to everybody. And now losing weight. Everyone's looking skinny. Everybody's doing great. And unfortunately, what it's doing is it, starves you basically, right? You can just, you eat one meal a day. it lowers your insulin, which is the blood sugar that we talked about the roller coaster. ⁓ but really it's, it's stripping muscle mass from the body because you, know, the body still eats some to function in somewhere. You might not be bringing the calories into the body, but instead it's breaking down your muscle tissue. ⁓ and then, you know, you lose the weight, but when you go off the drug, if you ever. heard stories of anybody going off the drug, they blow up after the fact because they have no muscle mass. Muscle is like a sponge for glucose, blood sugar. It helps us regulate that. So if you go off of it and you have no muscle, as soon as you eat some stuff again, you're going to blow right back up. So I don't think it's a great solution. I understand that we as a society think female have to be this perfect shape, especially, you know, I guess I had kids, I got to get back to the perfect shape. But it's really not sustainable long term, I don't think. Danielle: I think people who are doing like it to like, I don't want to blow up his spot, but someone very close to me was on the border of type two diabetes. And they gave him the like that and it did, it does like when it's used for what it's intended for, but he was told very specifically like you need to lift weights, you need to work out. Otherwise like this could be negative. So I think it's also like the idea of like nothing in itself. Rick Visca: Ahem. Danielle: I remember I call it fat camp. This this sounds funny, but when I moved to Charlotte, gained 20 pounds of food here was so good, like eating everything. And I did this thing that I called fat camp. And basically I ate the right foods. Like what you're talking about, Kyle, like no nothing process, big meals, but very thought out. And I worked out five times a week and I lost 26 pounds in six weeks, just like, and I remember sitting there, I felt amazing. I was working at targets like 20 hours a day and I still had energy. And I was like, there is no substitute for like doing it. Kyle Napier: Mm-hmm. Danielle: the right way. Like I'd never done it the right way. Like there's no substitute to this. And I'll never forget that feeling. But I think we get so far away from it in the overwhelm of what we have talked about this whole time. Like now like we're working moms, we're managing like relationships, friendships, our kids, our jobs, career shifts. And then your kids are having emotional issues or like regulation stuff. And you're trying to figure that out and to think that it could all be fixed potentially just by like It seems like overwhelming to fix everything in your life and make it all healthy. But if you did that, how much less overwhelmed we would all have because our bodies would be performing the way they're meant to perform. It's kind of crazy to think about. Rick Visca: you Kyle Napier: Right. Yeah. Rick Visca: I mean, I can honestly say that from we took the blood test for the first time and you really saw what the root cause of the issues are, instead of, ⁓ you go to the doctor, they want to treat you. They don't want to fix what it is. And when you were able to go in and really see, you know, okay, this is, this is out of range and this is affecting could ⁓ be affecting this. And you start regulating some of those things. And then you start seeing yourself feeling better. all starts with that, ⁓ test that Kyle gives to give clarity to what you can be feeling. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. And I feel like not a lot of people are doing that. I'm not seeing as much, like I haven't heard of how your process to it. Do you want to elaborate more on your process from the blood work and then how you kind of continue working with people from there? Kyle Napier: Yeah, it's relatively ⁓ new, I'd say. I'm not licensed to practice medicine. I'm not a doctor or anything like that. treat clients. I don't treat clients. I see clients and provide advice, health optimization advice. But no one really wants to do that territory. They want to be a trainer or they want to let them deal with it at the doctors. I ⁓ found most people are just uneducated on what even is good and what isn't good. We have, like we talked about earlier, there's just a million things being thrown at you on social media, like do this, do that, the fad diet, try this wearable, try this, try that. And if we don't get back to just the basic foundation things of eating well, getting some type of movement in, with stress in some type of way, it's very hard. So that's why I kind of created this. And I start with collection. So I collect the data that we talked about earlier. And then we start to optimize each system as a whole. So instead of, you go to the doctor, you go to the GI doctor, then you go to the arthritis doctor, you go to the skin doctors, you know, I mean, there's a doctor for everything. we kind of optimize each system as a whole. So we, we fix all the things that were low inside the blood, blood and the stool test, anything that marked in the red, we're going to get it back to the green. And then we design up specific program for you. So whether it's a nutritional. exercise, mobility, whatever it may be. I kind of formulate it based on your schedule. So, you know, I work with a lot of females that are all over the place. And, you know, the first thing they always tell me is I don't have the time. And I understand that it's crazy, but I look at their screen time as the number one thing. And I usually see, I usually see the TikTok or Instagram or something up there. And, you know, if you really do dive into it, you're going to have 45 to an hour and a half of one of those on there. And if you can just delegate. Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. ⁓ Danielle: for you. Rick Visca: Hmmph. Kyle Napier: 30 minutes of that to getting into some kind of movement or even just, you know, stress reduction techniques, you'll really see a major shift in your health. So that's, that's basically what the program is. It's giving, I provide everything too. So I provide the supplements that you may need. Once we find the data, ⁓ I provide all the guidelines in terms of nutrition, how to eat. I teach you how to do it. I break it down as simple as the garden kind of analogy. I'm not the best drawer, so my whiteboard skills when they're in person with me are not great, but they get the point. It makes it a little bit more personalized to them instead of going into the doctors and getting some, oh, you got some acronym, right? IBS, you got IBD, you got the GERD. No one knows what the hell that is, but they tell you it anyway. Yeah. Catie Fitzgerald: you Danielle: Thank Catie Fitzgerald: Yeah. Danielle: No, and they're very unclear. It's like I got diagnosed at 22 with IBS and I really just had a gluten intolerance. Like it was gone, but no one bothered to like I took an allergy test. didn't pop for wheat. So they were like, you're fine. But it really, I had to like do all this research to figure out that that was it. So I feel like what you're offering is such a holistic approach that like we don't, and then you do teach, like you help people with the workout portion of it as well. Kyle Napier: Right. Yeah. Danielle: Right? Kyle Napier: Yeah, yeah, so I just kind of started. So I've kind of moved the program online and in person. So I kind of set it up that way because I was only being able to reach, you know, the people that I can see in person and my time obviously in person is a little limited. My wife would get very upset if I was there for more than the 60 hours that I'm already there. So I had to move it online. A lot of people's issues can be solved by if I just guide them through it, you know, they have direct access to me one on one. Catie Fitzgerald: you Kyle Napier: intimate conversations. No one likes to talk about poop or hormones or whatever's going on. But so I've recently moved it online. So there's a remote option there so I can reach more and more people. yeah, the people that come in person with me and the more private clients, they get everything they get the whole online idea of the gut, the blood, the DNA, but they also get the two days a week, three days a week of training. They get the sauna, the cold plunge, the whole full shebang of how to optimize health. Danielle: Thank But even from a remote perspective, you would still be able to tell us what kind of workouts we should be doing and things of that nature, right? Like for our body. Kyle Napier: Yeah, so right now it's on like a dashboard. Eventually it'll be moving to a whole full blown app that gives you the full guideline of what workout plan to have. It'll break it into phases. And it's really kind of developed around what your schedule looks like. You know, I actually ask a million questions before we get started, which could be annoying, but I got to be able to personalize it to you because if we're not consistent on it, you're never going to stay with it. we got to be able to make it as true to your routine as we can. Danielle: Well, and obviously we're going to share your resources because I think everything we've talked about today is so relevant to any, not just working moms, like any human being at this point that's alive, but especially for working moms. So we'll make sure that we share all your resources and get everything out there because I, there's so much more to learn. just said a cold plunge. just opened. I'm like kind of buying into the hype. Is it worth it? Does it make that big of a difference? Kyle Napier: Yeah, right. Yeah, I love it as a tool, but I wouldn't say it's the number one thing to start with. There's phases to it. Danielle: So just don't go jumping, a tough advice isn't gonna cure me. That's what you're trying to say. Kyle Napier: Yeah, that's what we love to do. It's like, okay, we'll jump to this idea, this idea, this idea. It's like, all right, you're having your diet coke and your McDonald's. We got to get back to those first and then we can jump into cold fudge. Rick Visca: It's ⁓ Catie Fitzgerald: whatever is trending. Danielle: It's Catie Fitzgerald: so we'll make sure that we link how to get in touch with Kyle if you're interested in learning more. If you have questions, feel free to submit them. But I think ⁓ for this episode, it's time for us to clock out and clock back in to the nine to five. We'll see you all next time. Danielle: Thank you guys. Rick Visca: Thank you.