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Wild at Heart vs Vampire's Kiss · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God.
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Oh, my God.
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Speaking of hot and fresh,
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I kind of half expected you to show up with like a bag of chicken.
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Yeah, kind of sad.
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Oh, no, I had shepherd's pie for dinner.
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Oh, nice.
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Yeah, I went to Costco today, so it was a very low effort.
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Still sounds good. Yeah.
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Oh, man, I feel like
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kind of melancholy about this episode for some reason.
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I think because we're you know, it's episode 29 of season two.
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And there are only 31 episodes.
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So we're almost there.
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And we never have to speak to each other again.
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Yeah. I mean, that part rules.
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But I'm also kind of sad about it.
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After 31 episodes, we get to speak to each other.
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We don't have to.
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That's true. We can opt in or out.
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I don't know.
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He's still got so many movies we haven't touched,
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and he's going to make so many more.
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Plus, you know, G Force to G Force three.
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Three force because, you know, the mole is going to be a recurring character
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and all of course, absolutely.
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Well, Speckles didn't like die.
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He didn't throw him in a fucking volcano.
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He was serving time.
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What was he doing at the end?
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Was he making license plates?
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Did they all say nodes?
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Nudes.
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This is a bit of a cram session for me this time.
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I just got back from a trip and had to speed run the two movies
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last night and tonight and literally fast forwarded some of it.
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Yeah, as is my
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general design.
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I got to say the oh, man, the club scene at the end of Vampire's Kiss,
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like the last like 20 minutes of it, that music sped up.
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I went back and I listened to it slow because I was like,
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what does this even sound like?
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And I realized that I think three out of four times that I've watched this movie,
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I've watched it at at least one and a half speed.
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Yeah, I can't imagine.
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I can't imagine either of these movies. Benny Hilde.
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Oh, they're pretty good.
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It just seems like such an insane way to like experience either of these films.
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Welcome to my brain, John.
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Yeah, I'm glad I don't have kids.
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I can watch movies at normal, normal speed, normal volume.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Normal boobs just out and about both films.
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Good boobs.
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At one point, I can't remember which one it was.
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I think it was leaving Las Vegas.
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Cora like looked over my shoulder at the computer and she was like,
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I want to see Dancing Nipples again.
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Yeah, the other day when she was just staring at me and saying, boobies, boobies.
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Boobies, boobies, boobies, boobies.
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Like, what the fuck is happening here?
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There are some great things about having kids.
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Man, we went to Thunderdome today and it was fucking wild.
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It's the craziest.
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I've seen it in there.
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Kids were just crawling on the kegs and like falling all over the place.
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Like Barry got kicked in the head at one point, but was like, whatever.
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I'll still never get over the time that
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Matt's kid got bit in the middle of the back.
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Just like, how do you bite a child in the middle of the back
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and leave like teeth and friends?
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That's a good bite.
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That's a flat surface.
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Somebody with a little mouth.
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I had a kid bite me on the arm once at a Chuck E.
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Cheese. Yeah.
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How old were you?
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To.
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I was an appropriated.
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To be a Chuck E. Cheese. I will answer no further questions.
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Fair enough.
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I don't think there's an inappropriate age to be at a Chuck E.
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Cheese. I took my high school prom date.
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The Chuck E. Cheese still exist.
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Yeah, it still exists.
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They went out of business for a little bit.
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I think they had a bankruptcy issue and then somebody bought them up again
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and relaunched it because then Chuck E. Cheese was like, cool.
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Chuck E. Cheese. Oh, yeah.
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And now he's like backwards hat, like skateboard Chuck E. Cheese.
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Yeah, he's like what people thought cool was supposed to be in 1996.
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Yeah, I'm glad they're staying behind the curve.
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Yeah, I mean, at this point, 1996 is probably fucking cool again.
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So maybe they're ahead.
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Well, what was what was big in 1996?
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Don't don't Google it. I'm going to Google it.
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You you guess.
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Um, but E.R. was a cool show still.
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Probably. Yeah, you are was probably hot.
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I want you to try and finish this thought that Google has given me in 1996.
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Popular culture included.
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Gargoyles.
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Oh, probably.
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Might be.
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According to Google, I in 1996, popular culture included movies,
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music, TV shows and news stories.
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Really? Wow.
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God, I is fucking so smart.
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The English patient was big.
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Lame. The Macarena.
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That was that was a big one.
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Fuck, yeah. OK.
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Uh, hey, E.R. E.R. was definitely still big.
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Yes, you nailed it.
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E.R. was dominant for a long time in the 90s, though.
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Seinfeld Friends and Suddenly Susan.
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I forgot about that one.
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What the fuck was Suddenly Susan?
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The name sounds familiar.
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It's just a show about Susan Sarandon.
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Oh, oh, Beanie Babies.
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Beanie Babies were a thing.
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OK. Past guest Brian Kim McCormick
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sold Beanie Babies for like big time profit for a while.
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I vaguely remember him talking about that.
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Yeah.
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The average price of gas was a dollar twenty three a gallon.
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What a rip off.
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I know my my dad still would have driven many miles to go get the dollar 21.
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Slang words of choice included Booyah Word, Psych and Fly.
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Fuck, yeah.
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Psych.
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Yeah, I feel like that was a turning point in terms of like
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paying attention to what the news was saying about dumb fucking social shit.
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And then we got like the Internet and it just became that forever faster.
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Oh, we saw Bill Clinton as president.
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Mm hmm. That was one.
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Yeah. When did the Monica Lewinsky thing?
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This was pre-beige, pre-beging.
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Or at least pre-perjury.
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Also in 1996, the movie The Rock came out.
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That's right. This is a Nicolas Cage podcast.
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Boom. Bring it home, Sean.
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Welcome back to Cage, Matt Colen, around about way of meeting Nicolas Cage.
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I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host Nick.
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Sorry.
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I'm Nick.
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I finally get it. I finally get it.
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You fuck it up.
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God damn it.
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We'll fix it in post.
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I've got him saying Nick so many times.
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And I'm just I'm Jack.
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God damn it.
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And our producer, Peter. Hello.
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And this is Cage, Matt.
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I said that we're almost done with this thing.
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I can I can finally I can soon stop pretending like I care.
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I think everyone knows.
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Yeah, we're going on three solid years of this.
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It's a lot of time spent with Nicolas Cage.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I feel like I really know the man at this point, which is kind of crazy.
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Is that Stockholm syndrome?
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Kind of.
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I was I was here from I was here from the word Jiu Jitsu.
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I was in. I was.
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Episode one.
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Oh, God, you did.
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That was, you know, as a as a exercise in this process,
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I really felt like we made a bad choice.
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I don't think I can do this.
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And then episode two army of one.
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And then it all came together.
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Yeah. And then we all came together.
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Yeah. In Hayden's room.
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The only time that's ever happened.
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Well, what are you guys drawn to right now between the two movies?
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Let's get on with.
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Well, I just watched a wild at heart this morning, so
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take it off. All right.
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I am always just like
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thrilled with how this movie opens
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with just the fire and then the title
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like slamming into place like with airplane noises as it comes in, like
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as if this was going to be one of the big action films.
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It kills me.
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And then you just get like that intro with like
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I think it's like some rock and roll and no.
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And I'm still talking about the fire credits.
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Yeah.
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It'll just the fire over everything.
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It sets a tone for the film for sure.
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It does.
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Yeah. I love the David Lynch enos of it all.
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Every just like weird.
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Pause or motion like sometimes somebody just walks kind of funny.
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And I'm like, that's so David Lynch.
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I think that's my big thing with this movie is that like,
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I don't think I like David Lynch.
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So everyone's well.
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Very fair opinion.
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I mean, I watch these and I'm just like,
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I think he would be better for me in like a long, slow procedural
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like Twin Peaks if I really gave it another go.
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I think I would really enjoy it more.
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And we talked about it with Tank a little bit to where it's like,
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I really feel like I want more backstory and I know like
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who gives a shit about Mr.
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Reindeer, whatever. It doesn't matter.
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But like all these characters, all this random shit
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that comes up in a David Lynch movie, like the fast talking guy
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talking about pigeons spreading diseases.
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Like, what the fuck is that about?
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Doesn't matter. David Lynch.
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Yeah, it's just the world you're in now.
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But in like a 90 whatever it is, 100 minute movie.
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I'm like, what?
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Yeah, this is a lot is a hundred and forty minutes.
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Oh, shit. It's a long boy.
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That's a long boy. Yeah.
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I've never been the biggest Lynch fan.
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I like I love this movie.
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Like, I'm glad we saw this movie in the theater.
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I'm glad we had that option.
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Peter, you and I have had this conversation about like,
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sometimes it's good to see a movie in a place
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where you just have to engage with it.
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Totally. We went and saw Green Night right after the pandemic.
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That was like our first theater experience.
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And we both walked and Rachel, we the three of us walked out of that movie.
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And I think the consensus was.
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I don't think I liked it, but I'm glad I watched it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I feel happy that I did that with people, but also what?
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Yeah. But and I said, like, if I had had the option to watch that at home,
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I would have been on my phone the whole time.
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Yeah, that's a good, good way to put it.
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I'm glad I was able to engage with this film for the first time
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in a theater with people because I really do enjoy it.
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And I don't think I'd enjoy it as much if I didn't have that.
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If I wasn't like locked in, if I wasn't committed.
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Yeah. Yeah, that was a really great experience.
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And I'm glad that SIF was putting on that David Lynch. Absolutely.
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I know I'm kind of sad that I missed out on that
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because I think that that would have made a big difference for me
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in that sort of like shared experience kind of aspect,
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because I think I have not watched Wild at Heart with anybody
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this entire time.
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It's always just been me watching by myself.
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And I think that I would enjoy it more with someone else,
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even if it's just going like, what? Yeah.
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Well, having somebody else to point out things
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that are just nonsense and ridiculous is. Yeah.
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Pretty, I'd say, important when watching David Lynch.
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Yeah. I just watched Mulholland Drive the other day
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for the first time.
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And what do you think?
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How did you enjoy the lesbian love scene?
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Did you watch it with your parents?
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That's how it's designed.
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No, they couldn't make it up.
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But I took photos and I sent them to my dad.
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Of the scene or of you watching the same.
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Both. I was really close to the scene.
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I thought it was, you know, good.
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I definitely didn't understand it when it made the change.
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And I was like, OK, hold on.
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Then I had to like watch it twice as hard.
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And then I had to Google it.
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Yeah. I don't really love a movie that I have to then like
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look up the deep wiki on. Yeah.
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It was so much.
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I was like, what the fuck just happened?
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OK, so what are the tiny people?
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What about the trash guy? Yeah.
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Is this a Dark Souls podcast now?
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Yes. Always has been.
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But I, you know, I enjoy this film.
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It's it's just so weird.
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It does get slow.
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It gets so slow because I feel it feels like it's just
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two different stories stitched together to make a film length.
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Them getting away from jail and like breaking parole feels like one story
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and then like everything from Big Tuna feels like a whole nother story.
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Totally. But I really like Big Tuna.
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Yeah, there's a lot of things in Big Tuna.
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It's just like a reset
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where you have a whole new influx of characters brought in.
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It does kind of have that stage set up
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where like there is kind of a halfway point.
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That is where you go out and get drinks from the intermission
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intermission and then you come back and it's like, let's all go to the lobby.
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And then you come back and then, yeah, there's a whole there in a new place.
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There's a whole there's like the end to a new antagonist in it.
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Kind of. Yeah, it is its own like separate thing in a lot of ways.
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Teeth get smaller.
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You know,
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teeth get smaller, hogs get bigger.
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Yeah. That's how it goes with Willem Dafoe.
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Ladies, just the horny just asking for it.
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Oh, my God. Bobby Peru is so disgusting.
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Definitely my favorite character and so repulsive.
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I was talking to someone recently about the foes hog.
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His troubling hog.
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Was it somebody on the on the Max?
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Because you shouldn't just be approaching people on the Max
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to talk about Willem Dafoe's wang.
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I mean, that seems like the ample place to have that conversation.
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It's an ample way.
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You've seen where I lived.
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It's kind of interesting because Wild at Heart.
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I mean, it's hard to say that anything had a easy or tough path,
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because if you're a great movie or a great movie,
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you're going to fucking slam through it.
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But it did have kind of an easy path, given the stuff it went up against,
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which was knowing Willy's Wonderland and Wicker Man,
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which like all of those are great for dumb fucking reasons.
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But, you know, it's not like a murderer's row of great movies
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that it fucking slayed to get here.
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Mm hmm.
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Willy's Wonderland, I think of those three,
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I have the most actual fondness for looking back on like Wicker Man.
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I think is great for some really specific, stupid moments.
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But like that movie sucks.
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Yeah, it's not a movie that I enjoy watching.
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There are scenes from it that I enjoy.
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Yeah. Engaging with.
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And knowing just gets weird, like great disaster.
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You were clapped, but that's about it.
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That's not knowing, isn't it?
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No, no.
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Knowing is the one where is that's the airplane one, right?
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He sees the future through math.
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Yeah. God, I hated that one.
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Yeah, never mind.
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I thought we at least got one good thing from that.
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God, what's that one now?
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The one where the Inuit between worlds between worlds.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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We're reading from Nicholas Cage's poetry book or whatever.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Knowing was really shitty.
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Yeah. That was another Darryl one.
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Yeah. Yeah. Good job, Darryl.
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Because Darryl was on for Wicker Man, too.
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Yeah. But I did like Willie's Wonderland.
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That was definitely a fine film.
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The crazier the pinball dance gets, the better.
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True. Well, the sparkles.
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I think we just left alone.
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Do you think Nick Cage was just left alone in a room with cameras?
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And they were just like, we'll be back in 20 minutes.
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Do you mean he was left behind?
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I meant for the pinball scenes.
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I understood.
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So wild at heart.
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The David Lynch of it all is kind of the entire fucking thing.
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Right. Like I cannot imagine a different director doing this movie.
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Be so much straighter.
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Like, yeah. Yeah.
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Well, it would just be a like a pulp novel story.
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Yeah. Because that's really all these where they were shorts.
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Well, not shorts, but like, you know, little novellas.
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Yeah. Pulp gas station stories.
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Which I still think I would enjoy more.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Just like little quick 30 minute films or whatever.
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That's episodes. Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, there's stuff like the Elvis stuff that just doesn't hit for me.
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Oh, I love the Elvis stuff.
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Okay. Convince me.
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I don't know, man.
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Nicholas Cage just goes so hard on singing
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these Elvis songs and I mean, for Nicholas Cage,
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that's pretty fucking great.
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Yeah. OK. I'll give you that.
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It is. It's so weird.
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Backflip out of the car.
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Yeah, that seems great.
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Just pulling over.
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I can't do this anymore.
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You find me some music on that radio.
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I love that Power Mad is just always on our song.
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Somewhere else somewhere.
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That is the band, middle of fucking Big Tuna, or even just Poweroren.
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Yeah. A band that never got like any real popularity, even in the eighties.
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But yeah, like, I don't know.
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There's just something about those Elvis scenes that are also just like.
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like, you guys have a real
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E energy, like big energy.
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Tell me you know this one and then just like starts it and then they just go with it.
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It's like, OK, of course, they know that.
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Well, like there's and have practiced it. Yeah.
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There are times where I'm like, this movie needs to pick a lane.
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Is it like a gritty crime drama or is it magical realism?
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Like, where where are we with this?
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Well, I think with Lynch, that's exactly the fucking middle of the road
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that he hits, right?
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Yeah, it is always kind of that like crazy magic world,
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but also like crime drama, you know, like.
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But this one is and isn't like it's I'd I feel like it needs to
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just go slightly harder either direction.
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Yeah, I mean, like all the Wizard of Oz shit doesn't really do much
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to light my candle, but yeah.
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Yeah, those are weird additions for me, too.
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But they don't it doesn't really fit.
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And it's really just there so we can have the fucking Glinda scene at the end.
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So like we can have a Deus Ex Machina poorly act
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poorly acting, tell him, you know, to like go get the girl.
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But it also gives us that Diane Ladd
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like evaporating photo at the end, which is pretty hilarious and good.
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Yeah, I do like the way they just kind of hit these mediocre
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references all the way through and then just end it with her photo
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evaporates because it got wet.
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That is pretty good.
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I do like that.
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I mean, I fucking love the performances in this.
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I think every weirdo character in the entire thing is still putting in a great,
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great job. It's like I always just love I just die
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when that old guy is vacuuming at the hotel.
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He takes those steps and then like going backwards,
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he takes little old man steps backwards.
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Very Lynch.
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Yeah, the the background characters are terrifically handled.
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Everything from vacuuming guy to the porn stars
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to the guy at the gas station, like snapping off the beat.
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Yeah. You know, just the world building of the entire of Lynch's mind.
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I mean, that's the part I might not like the structure of the films,
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but I definitely love like the worlds they inhabit because they are
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barely well realized.
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Yeah, there's a pretty good vision for what he wants
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and it's pretty consistent, I feel, with his other films, too.
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Yeah. What year did this come out again?
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Oh, 1990. God, Harry Dean Stanton just like fucking always looking fucking.
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So old.
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That dude has looked the same for so long.
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I mean, he's dead now, right?
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Yeah, he died not that long ago.
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Yeah. But he looked 44.
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So what he was 56 in this film.
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Forty six.
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Fifty six.
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Fifty six. No, ninety forty.
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Forty six. Oh, he looks like a bad forty six.
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Yeah, that's pretty rough.
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I think shit.
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Who sat on this podcast like, well, we used to be able to smoke inside.
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People used to smoke inside.
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Well, yeah, smoking inside was awesome.
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It was awesome.
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Everyone looked like dog shit all the time.
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Yeah. Dog shit and cool.
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Well, sorry. Excuse me.
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Like cool dog shit.
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Like a turd with a cigarette.
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A turd that you would definitely take home to meet your mom.
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Absolutely.
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Hey, I look back at my like at being a child
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and I think about all of the stuffed animals that my parents
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definitely bought me with like points from cigarettes.
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Like I had several
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Joe Camel plush toys.
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See, that's just good parenting.
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Yeah.
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It's not like taking your kid down to a fucking baby fight club,
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letting them bite on other kids and generally.
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Yeah, bite him in the back.
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Maybe like right on a cheek.
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Dealer's choice.
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I bit my brother on the cheek in a library when I was like sub one years old.
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Nice. Really chomped him.
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And my brother went over to my mom and was like, Peter, bit me.
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She was like, OK, whatever.
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And she looked and it was just like a full dental definition on his cheek.
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I got that motherfucker. Yeah.
22:41
Kind of it for wild at heart, right?
22:42
Yeah. Those are my favorite things about it is just the world that he creates.
22:46
The yeah, the characters.
22:49
And I don't know, it's just
22:50
Nicolas Cage looks so cool in that snake skin jacket.
22:55
Undeniable.
22:56
He's got crazy good chemistry with Laura Dern throughout the whole thing.
23:00
For sure.
23:01
Yeah, the performances are great.
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They're weird, which is what we're here for.
23:06
Yep. I thoroughly enjoy the movie.
23:08
It gets a little slow, but it feels the length.
23:12
I don't know that I have much more to add to
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this conversation that, you know, nothing that I haven't said before.
23:19
Like, it's a good film.
23:20
So I realized where I fucked up earlier.
23:23
Vampires Kiss took out Between Worlds.
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So Nic Cage poetry still in play for this episode.
23:30
Good. Yeah.
23:33
It took out Between Worlds, Color Out of Space and Mandy. Yeah.
23:38
This one had probably like Vampires
23:41
Kiss probably had the hardest track of any of these movies, I think.
23:45
Yeah, it was just all bangers all the way through.
23:49
Right. I mean, like Between Worlds is the weakest of those, but also like
23:52
it's so fucking weird to do that.
23:54
Like remember this bracket so much.
23:56
That was such a fun one to talk about.
23:59
Like that one from the word go is so just fucking out there
24:03
that I'm like, we're going to have fun with this. Yeah.
24:07
Well, those, you know, relatively early on in us having guests,
24:09
that was Gary and Rocks, you know, and like they go hard.
24:13
So like they knew their shit with that movie and it was a lot of fun to talk about.
24:17
Do you remember them, the the sex in the bathroom or whatever it was?
24:22
And then he's like choking her out after they sex
24:25
so that she can see her kid or whatever.
24:29
Yeah. What a fucking like movies are wild.
24:31
Can you imagine meeting up with somebody and they're like, I love to fuck.
24:34
And it's like, yes.
24:35
And they're like, I can see the dead, but only when I'm like halfway dead.
24:40
And really, right edging on that line of death and life. Yeah.
24:45
That's how fucking David Carradine died. You shouldn't do that.
24:48
I think a lot of people have died riding that line.
24:51
But I just like I just like mentioning David Carradine.
24:56
Also, the guy from an excess.
24:58
Tell me more people who have auto asphyxiated themselves.
25:02
I mean, those are the two I know.
25:04
I think Chris Cornell just hugged himself.
25:06
I don't think that was a sex thing.
25:07
Mm hmm. Same with Bourdain. Yeah.
25:12
No, I'm sad.
25:14
Let's talk about edging again.
25:16
That's so good.
25:17
Yeah, it's great. Keep riding that wave.
25:19
No, this will be
25:21
a man like the second I put it on in the like dumb music comes on.
25:25
I was like, fuck, yeah.
25:27
Yeah. Vampires Kiss brings me so much joy.
25:30
I love the the visuals of the film.
25:34
And going back to, you know, our conversation with Gary and Rocks,
25:38
what Gary said about like just those shots,
25:41
those establishing shots in the credits, you have all the traffic coming in
25:46
and out and kind of like pulsing like blood in the veins.
25:49
Or to your little flow. Yeah.
25:51
Yeah, it hits really good.
25:53
It's the subtlest part.
25:55
My is that even subtle?
25:56
I don't know if it's subtle, but I don't know.
25:59
I honestly had this movie is subtle.
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Had he not said that, though,
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I don't know that I would have paid attention to that being sort of like
26:05
a blood flowing kind of concept, but it really is there.
26:09
Like the more I watch it, the less I'm like the more and more I like.
26:13
I know I like when we started this process, I was very much just like, no,
26:16
that's like, I don't know why people think this movie is so crazy.
26:19
Like it's the acting is crazy, but like it's a pretty simple plot.
26:23
And the more and more I watch it, the more I'm kind of like
26:26
going down like the rabbit hole of like, wait, what is real?
26:30
What is reality? Yeah.
26:32
You try to pick it apart and it's like, when does the psychiatrist
26:36
become a figment of his imagination? Right.
26:39
Why would he ever not go on those dates with Jackie?
26:43
Like, I know he was hot.
26:45
She was great. Yeah.
26:47
Because he's in the thrall. Yeah.
26:49
Yeah, man.
26:50
I think the weakest point of this entire movie is
26:54
Jennifer Beals as the like vampirist as Rachel.
26:58
She just is like kind of nothing.
27:00
And like you can tell that they don't have chemistry.
27:02
Yeah, she is not like sultry or like, I don't know.
27:08
Yeah, like her just writing on top of him is not hot.
27:11
Yeah. I mean, that kind of works.
27:14
I run with Jackie and fucking around with Jackie was hotter.
27:16
But yes, that kind of that kind of works for me in terms of like this character,
27:21
because like it's a figment of his imagination
27:25
and he clearly isn't that into himself.
27:28
So like true.
27:30
Even the people he imagines are like
27:33
not that into like they're kind of bad at it.
27:36
I mean, they clearly don't have chemistry.
27:37
I that is true.
27:39
Like that is part of the problem with that performance.
27:41
But that lack of chemistry kind of works for that character in my mind.
27:47
Yeah. I mean, he had more chemistry with the imaginary girl
27:50
at the very end of the film, too,
27:53
especially when she's not there and he's just like yelling at the wall. Yeah.
28:01
Oh, I do.
28:02
I just I love I love the fucking when he finally just fucking snaps
28:06
and he's just like disheveled, like shuffling down the street
28:10
with a bit of a palette, the palette.
28:15
When he snaps those plastic teeth in and then just crawls away.
28:20
Yeah. I'm just like, oh,
28:22
I think what this movie does for me is no matter how many times I've seen it,
28:28
there's going to be performance moments that will just surprise me every time.
28:34
Yeah, I always forget about the crawling away until he does it.
28:39
And the like frantic way he catches that like stink bug to eat it.
28:44
Oh, yeah. And.
28:47
The drugged pigeon he has to catch. Yeah.
28:53
Well, it's just like, OK, because this movie was shot
28:56
without a union crew, without like proper like
29:00
through the proper channels, like how much of that again,
29:03
it's how much of that is just like just let Nick Cage loose in a park.
29:08
Like how much of this are we just not getting multiple
29:10
like takes of or is this just a no note situation?
29:13
Yeah, it is. I mean, it's kind of that like world of guerrilla filmmaking,
29:17
but it didn't have that background.
29:19
You know, it just was like kind of low budget.
29:20
So they were like, I don't know, do this in off hours.
29:23
Just run down the street and be crazy.
29:25
It's like, I love that shit.
29:27
And like, what a perfect character actor to pull into that in that moment, too.
29:32
It's like he is the ideal like just do your thing, dude.
29:36
Like, yeah, give us what you got.
29:39
Like, I cannot imagine that director being like, oh, Nick,
29:42
that's a little too much.
29:44
You know, I don't think anybody ever dialed it back down.
29:47
Yeah, they might be like, hey, that was pretty good.
29:51
Explore that a little bit.
29:52
What more can you give me?
29:54
What if you crawled off screen like a dog? Yeah.
29:57
No, that was definitely Nick Cage taking taking some liberties
30:00
in the moment, I have to imagine.
30:04
He's so fucking over the top in this movie and I love it so much.
30:07
It's like touching the mirror. Oh, Christ.
30:09
Oh, yeah. The way it like burns him when he touches the mirror.
30:12
Like and this goes to like, I mean, I probably been saying this.
30:17
I probably said this a million times at this point, but like,
30:20
it always goes to people things like Nick Cage is such a bad actor
30:22
for performances like this. Like, no, these are choices.
30:24
These are amazing choices.
30:26
Yeah. Like if you were a bad actor, like if if he were the bad actor,
30:31
one thing he has every performance would be this.
30:34
Right. True.
30:35
Or he never could have achieved this.
30:38
Like, I don't think Kevin Sorbo has it in him to do this.
30:41
I cannot imagine Sorbo in a movie like this.
30:48
Just Kevin Sorbo does Frankenstein's monster.
30:54
But he does it in the most wild Nicolas Cage performance ever.
30:59
How much do you think we can get Sorbo for?
31:02
How much do we think we could get Sorbo?
31:03
Do you want him to come to the the double feature?
31:06
All we have to do is tell him that he can talk all sorts of alt right nonsense.
31:11
Yeah. And he'd probably show up, but we'll give him a microphone.
31:15
I wouldn't mind platforming him so we can just like fucking rotten egg him. Yeah.
31:20
At what age does that happen to the human brain?
31:24
A sorbofication.
31:26
Yeah. Dean Cain went through it to Dean.
31:28
He went fucking hard.
31:30
When does like when does this happen to the human brain?
31:33
Well, I think you have to be bit by a vampire bat. OK. Yeah.
31:37
Yeah. You have to be a little bit drunk, a little bit horny, a little bit horny.
31:42
It was also pretty horny.
31:44
Yes, that's what happened.
31:46
He's a little bit drunk, a little bit.
31:48
It is the accent, the his accent in this movie.
31:51
It's one of the better Nicolas Cage accents. It's so good.
31:56
And that he maintains it.
31:57
Yeah. Now, Alva,
32:00
what's your favorite like this movie?
32:04
Fucking rules. I know.
32:06
What part of Alva?
32:08
God, there's so much Alva that we just haven't even talked about yet.
32:11
I do.
32:13
God, do I like the masculine admission more or like
32:19
the fact that she's just ironing clothes in front of a window with no drapes
32:25
or with the blinds open
32:27
and he comes with like a little packet of soup mix.
32:30
I know just like waving it around like it's drugs.
32:33
She's going to she's technically in a bra, but it's like huge.
32:38
It's like, you know.
32:39
Well, they were different times. Yeah.
32:41
Shoulder pads were big in the NFL and bras were really weird and pointy.
32:45
Man Alva's shoulder pads in the beginning of this film, too, are just enormous.
32:50
That's where you get the David Byrne confusion again. Yeah.
32:54
I guess this David Byrne, I'm not so sure anymore.
32:56
I think my two favorite moments with him for sure are the too late, too late, too late.
33:04
That's just like terrifying monster, but also hilarious at the same time.
33:08
And then just him slowly like being pulled from the dead,
33:13
just shouting her name and then running out and leaping onto her desk.
33:17
Like, there you are.
33:18
Credible. I mean, that's like that standing jump.
33:22
That box jump is impressive.
33:23
Even if you take like the athleticism out of this entire thing, it's like
33:26
just imagine being in an office space and you hear that from like three doors down.
33:31
You're just like, Oh, God.
33:33
Oh, my fucking boss.
33:35
He's going to I got to go in there and talk to him.
33:36
And it's like, Oh, no.
33:38
But he's like he's a middle manager, right?
33:40
He's not like he's not he's like nothing. Yeah.
33:44
And like he just gets away with all of that.
33:48
Yeah. Running around in the women's restroom. Yeah.
33:51
Like the screaming and shouting all the time.
33:55
Nobody takes her seriously until it's too late, which I mean, that's fucking.
34:00
That's too that's real.
34:02
I don't I don't know why that I keep getting hung up on that,
34:04
as if that's not a fucking real thing in this world. Yeah.
34:09
His speech about like how he would like no matter what,
34:14
he would always give her the shittiest job.
34:16
Oh, that's a brutal one.
34:18
He just cuts it right there.
34:20
Not not an Alva scene, but just like my favorite is Nick Cage part scene.
34:25
Just his weird inflections is when like he's freaking out
34:29
and he's like going into his office like, Tell him I'm in a meeting.
34:37
Yeah. Oh, man.
34:38
No, Peter Lowe is just what a like wild character.
34:44
I mean, it is definitely one of like the most stand out
34:48
Nicholas Cage characters.
34:51
Mm hmm. Absolutely.
34:52
I mean, yeah, we've we've talked about like the memeification of him and everything.
34:56
And it's like so many of them are from this movie.
34:59
And like it's just such like a wild, interesting, good, bad performance.
35:05
I don't know. It's very hard to put your finger on it because like you could look at it
35:08
and be like, this is so over the top.
35:11
But then you can also think about like when you're talking to Lauren
35:13
and she was saying, like, you know, this is being opera ish, you know,
35:18
it's these old timey black and white movies where everything has to be so big
35:22
because of what you're producing and presenting.
35:25
Yeah. And he's doing that.
35:26
He's channeling something different in a weird way.
35:29
But like it fucking works.
35:31
Yeah. It's the modern Nosferatu.
35:33
Yeah. And I like I do love that arc of he loves those movies
35:37
and that era of filmmaking so much and how from as we tracked his career
35:42
from like Peggy Sue got married and like the murder fingers
35:46
to to this to him eventually just playing fucking Dracula.
35:51
Yeah. Renfield was so fun.
35:54
That is a fun one.
35:56
I just I mean, I could just talk about this movie forever and just I like.
36:00
I know it almost feels like it's something I want to watch again tonight.
36:04
And it's like, I don't have time.
36:07
I probably put it on my iPad and watch it while I drive to Portland tomorrow morning.
36:14
Like, this is definitely one that has grown with me
36:17
as I've watched this, like my first view, like the first time through the bracket,
36:21
like I was viewing everything trying to, you know, from a critical lens
36:24
because, you know, how I interact with art.
36:27
But like as we've gotten through it more and more now,
36:29
we're just watching the movies we like and I can just watch these films.
36:32
My God, this movie just is so good because like the first time I watched it,
36:36
I was kind of like, this is this is bad, but I'm enjoying it.
36:40
Now I'm just like, now this is fucking genius.
36:42
Yeah, I mean, it is still kind of bad.
36:44
Like, it's still campy. It's still stupid.
36:46
Yeah. But like overall, I think like it's not the most well directed movie.
36:52
It's not the best music.
36:53
It's not the perfect cinematography, but like it's fucking great.
36:58
Yeah. All the elements come together and make quite the cosmic gumbo.
37:01
Yeah. Well, I think if it were a bad film, there would like
37:06
if it were truly just a bad film, you wouldn't have the little like touches
37:12
like when he bites the woman, when he kills the woman in the club, him,
37:17
like the little scene of him like sneaking the teeth back into his mouth.
37:20
Like you wouldn't have had those little touches where clearly
37:23
someone was paying attention.
37:25
OK, those teeth like do.
37:28
I haven't put one of those in my mouth in a really long time.
37:31
Do does it really like extend your face as much as it seems to do to him?
37:37
Well, it is just all plastic right up front.
37:40
So you wouldn't like you can't close your mouth all the way.
37:44
It's always like kind of open a bit.
37:46
Yeah. And they definitely don't go all the way back. Yeah.
37:49
I also didn't notice the first couple of times that she was just like
37:52
absolutely doing coke in that.
37:54
Oh, yeah. Back room. Yeah.
37:55
Oh, OK. Now I get it.
37:57
One of the random shit vending machines at a bar here in Portland
38:01
had one of those one night and I was trying to like
38:04
buy myself a two dollar pair of those plastic teeth.
38:07
And the machine just took my money and I wasn't going to spend
38:10
another two dollars on that bit.
38:12
Yeah. Yeah. If I see it again, I'll try.
38:14
Good call.
38:16
All right. So what do you guys want to set in stone for this one?
38:18
Who's the winner?
38:20
I think it's got to be a vampire's kiss.
38:22
Like, clearly, we're all much more like just
38:25
enthused by that film.
38:27
Yeah, it gets the people going, man.
38:30
It's a good film.
38:31
It's a great.
38:32
By my own metric in terms of like how I've been handled in this round,
38:36
what's the one I can recommend to anyone?
38:41
Vampires kiss.
38:42
I can't recommend a Lynch film to just.
38:47
Yeah, it's not for everyone.
38:48
Yeah. Go look at Bobby Perru's teeth.
38:51
I feel like I think both of these films like
38:55
come with a fairly decent sized caveat in terms of like
38:59
who I could recommend this to or if I recommend it, I'm like.
39:03
OK, just stick with it.
39:06
You'll get it. You'll get there.
39:09
Like this isn't a set it and forget it movie.
39:11
Like I think there's going to be a little preamble to getting
39:15
anyone invested in any of these movies if they're not already like.
39:19
Into the idea.
39:20
Yeah, I think it's just more consistent throughout its run
39:24
that it is just always going to be giving you something.
39:29
So really like sink your.
39:31
Bite down on. Yeah.
39:33
Nice. Well done.
39:34
Both of you.
39:35
Yours was better.
39:38
But yeah, vampires kiss, man.
39:40
It's it's a fucking banger, dude.
39:43
Yeah, I'm glad this isn't a tiebreaker situation in contentious
39:46
because it's 100% vampires kids for me.
39:49
Love wild at heart.
39:50
Love the stupid snake skin jacket and all that shit.
39:53
But like vampires kiss rules. It's so good.
39:57
Welcome to the final foreskin, Peter Lowe.
39:59
Yes. God pig versus vampires kiss.
40:02
That's a fucking that's a matchup.
40:05
It will make no sense at all in a head to head kind of concept, but still great.
40:11
Conair versus Raising Arizona.
40:14
It's going to be interesting.
40:16
We did a weird thing.
40:18
That means there's only like three official episodes left.
40:21
Yeah, I said that earlier.
40:24
Weird.
40:27
Yeah, this whole experiment's been wild at heart and weird on top.
40:31
Weird on top.
40:32
Oh, thanks, Lula.
40:35
Also, thanks to our Patreon supporters,
40:38
Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill
40:42
and to our cage dancers, Ira, John Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron.
40:48
If Peter missed your name, let us know.
40:49
He'll say it twice next week.
40:52
Did you say Bill? Bill.
40:54
You said Bill. Bill. Bill. Bill.
40:57
Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill.
41:02
Bill, Bill.
41:05
Bye bye.
41:13
Nick, I have a question for you.
41:14
OK.
41:16
Are you watching burn notice or is this just a Josie thing?
41:19
Just Josie.
41:20
Oh, she just is watching for notice.
41:22
Josie just put on burn notice.
41:24
Why did she like text you about it?
41:26
Yeah, she texted me about it. She's like, I see why you like the show.
41:28
And then we talked about how we talked about like nice things about burn notice.
41:34
No, I've been in the room for like parts of episodes, but I'm not watching it.
41:38
Yeah, I don't doubt you that burn notice is fine.
41:41
I just I don't have time.
41:42
Yeah, I'm not pulling up like a serialized show from 30 years ago
41:49
or whatever the fuck came out.
41:54
Because I could I could get in on that.
41:55
I have opinions on Dark Souls.
41:57
Oh, I just started a new Elden Ring playthrough this morning.
41:59
Let me tell you about it.
42:00
No. OK. No.
42:04
You, Sean, the signal canceled.
42:08
We've got enough Sean audio.
42:10
We'll see something. It'll be fine.
42:11
That's true.
42:12
And just be slurs.
42:15
All the slurs we've recorded over the years.
42:18
Sean, no, don't say that.