Latest / Two Girls and a Cup of Wellness / Chinese Medicine & Breathwork with Dr. Keith Cini & Dr. Bella Lauren | Ep 38
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- Crissy: Hey everyone, welcome back for another Two Girls in a Couple Wellness Chat. Today we have Dr. Keith and Dr. Bella. Welcome. Welcome. Hi. Dr. Keith Cini: Hi. Hi, thanks for having us. Crissy: Yes, we're completely honored, honestly. Just a little quick background before we dive into some like great questions and this amazing conversation. I have had the pleasure of doing two amazing breathwork and energy healing sessions with these two. And both times just completely different experiences for me, as I think you probably find that with most people every time that they do this, they're working through something different. But I just know firsthand the the power that you have, the dedication, it comes through all of the work that you do. And so truly, truly honored that you guys are taking time out of your day to come here and just Share your gifts with our con our community. So thank you so much. Dr. Keith Cini: Course. You know, the the root the Latin root of doctor is really teacher. So that's really, you know, how I think both of us view ourselves as really teachers and facilitators for for other people's process, you know, so they can heal themselves. Crissy: Mm-hmm. I love that. I am a nurse practitioner. I have my own practice. And one of my biggest things with my patients is patient empowerment and education. And I always tell them the more I educate you and the more educated you are, the better patient you're gonna be. Yeah. And you're gonna embrace health and embrace life. And it's gonna be a better road for you in the end. Yeah. I scream that from the top of my lungs too. Like, you know, from when I my yoga teachings and my book. I don't know if you both know, but I had breast cancer. So I work a lot in the the cancer world and, you know, just kind of screaming that to everybody to just really get them to understand, to be their own advocate, to show up from themselves. And not even just in the cancer world or in any type of disease, but everybody has something to kind of heal through and and work through, I think. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the work Dr. Keith Cini: And Crissy: that you do is beautiful. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah, they and they can only come see us, you know, maybe once a week, you know, twice a week max. And it's the things that they do at home, you know, their their diet and nutrition or exercise or lifestyle, that really has the greatest impact on their health. And Crissy: Mm-hmm. Dr. Keith Cini: so the decisions that they're making at home are the gonna be the ones that support them in their healing process the most. Crissy: Yeah, yeah, because they deserve to, right? To keep the healing going and not just always have to go to somebody, but to be able to get to to continue the work from home and show up for themselves and and dedicate time to themselves. So Dr. Keith Cini: Well, I think you know, especially with Chinese medicine, you know, traditionally as a it was a it's a preventative medicine, you know. Why wait until you get sick to rehabilitate yourself? Because it's like almost you're starting out now in a hole that you gotta dig yourself out of. Crissy: Mm-hmm. Dr. Keith Cini: And so in China, traditionally they were called barefoot doctors, and the doctor would travel from village to village, and you didn't pay him if you got sick, because if you got sick, he wasn't doing his job. So Crissy: I love that. Yeah, that Dr. Keith Cini: Imagine that. Crissy: is so different. Wow. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah. And then Chinese medicine too, 'cause you kinda touched on something, was like the physical part of the disease, especially something like cancer, is usually the last part of the disease that we see. It's it's we say it's rooted in the emotions, you know. So and then we're gonna I know we're gonna talk about a little bit more about that as we start to talk a little bit more about the the Crissy: Hmm. Dr. Keith Cini: sound and breath work. Crissy: Yeah, yeah. well as soon as we started. Now I have another question. I know. As soon as we started, Marie's like, I got the first question. Okay, go ahead. What's Dr. Keith Cini: Ha ha ha. Crissy: your first question? Well, now I'm like, I have another question. This is why I love the casual podcast. So just this past weekend, I am a World Link provider certified, and a physician spoke. She had cancer three times. And then when she she Worked on all the different areas. I call them the pillars of health, you know, her sleep, her stress. She was an ER physician working nights. She had to change her shifts. She had to leave traditional medicine and go into functional medicine, work on her family, work on all those things: health, diet, exercise. And then she went for a scan and they found all more lumps in a lymph node. And the one area that she hadn't worked on was trauma. And I got chills because she's never spoken her story. This was the first time she's ever given the story. And She said, you know what? I'm gonna wait because I know cancer is not going to grow overnight. I'm gonna wait six months. There is some trauma that I have to work on. From all the trauma she she saw as an ER physician, all the kids coming in, not Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah. Crissy: breathing, all the stuff. Because you learn, and I worked in ICU for years. So I was like, my gosh, I know I need to work on something. You you learn to push it down and get through it because you have to care. There's parents there, especially. I struggled working in pediatrics. It was hard for me. I would just cry the whole ride home. But it gave me chills because she worked on that. She worked with trauma and tapping. And then she went and had a scan six months later and nothing was visible. Yeah. And work through the grief, especially around the breast, is where you guys correct me if I'm wrong, but the the breast is, you know, kind of our our grief area where where we can hold on. And if we don't work through grief, and we had a grief counselor on a few weeks ago. that if we don't work through the grief then it it turns into disease. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah, the the body remembers and it's a cellular memory, right? You know, and so you know, part of we mentioned energy work and so if you consider everything to be energy, vibration, frequency, like not only the colors but the sound of my voice, but these emotions all also have a frequency or energy. And I don't know if you're familiar with Dr. Romoto's work. And he was the one who was conducting the studies with water. And he would have a glass of water and he would write the word love or gratitude or forgiveness on the water. And then on the other water he would write the word like hatred or jealousy. So you had like these negative positive polarities. And they would freeze the water, slice the water, and take a picture of the water, and you would see the geometry of those emotions in the water. Crissy: Oof. Dr. Keith Cini: So yeah, Dr. Masuro Omoto, he was very famous for the Crissy: Moto. Dr. Keith Cini: the water project. And and so that's the way you know Chinese medicine looks. We have the five elements in Chinese medicine. And which corres these elements correspond with our organs. The we call them the five major organs being our liver, our heart, our spleen, our lungs, and our kidneys. And so you were mentioning the grief, and so we hold grief. And sadness in our lungs. And in my experience, I know that at least fifty percent, I know it's way over fifty percent, but just generally you know, women who've had been diagnosed with breast cancer recently lost their mother, their sister, their pet, they had some type of traumatic loss in their life, and then a few months later then they get diagnosed, you know, with the Crissy: Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: With that. Crissy: It's interesting you say that in my situation, I had a very dark and heavy argument with my father. And I was diagnosed a year later. And you just saying, you know, when when somebody lost somebody, I it it kind of struck me again because this year I've lost now both of my parents. When I saw you and I did one of your breath work, I sessions I lost My father just recently before, and two months later, my mother passed. So it just makes me think about myself and my own health and my sisters and their health. And like, we gotta work through this grief and and work through it and not just suppress it. Right. And we'll we'll talk about some energy healing and everything too. But yeah, that just that got me. Dr. Keith Cini: And that's what we do, you know, as humans. We compartmentalize those events in our life that we're not able to handle. So that's why you see a lot of you know, I think one of the things I say is like adults are really just little kids and big people's bodies. And so when we have these traumatic events happen to us when we're young, you know, we don't have the tools to deal with, you know, whatever's happening. And then it shows up later on in life because we're you usually repeating those same patterns until we, you know, figure it out and get some help. And so we bury yeah, you said we bury these emotions down in the body and it it's like they're there, they're suppressed or you know, and we then we keep on piling, you know, whatever food or alcohol or you know, tech social media on top of those issues until they percolate and they're gonna show up some way, somehow. And that's really right, you know, what these diseases are are just you know chronic conditions and sometimes like my it just happened overnight but no it didn't happen overnight it happened over a long extended Crissy: Mm-hmm. Dr. Keith Cini: period of time. So I just wanna since we were talking about grief in the lungs, you know, we talk about we can talk about anger in the liver. Anger, resentment, frustration. the heart is love or lack of love, lack of self work, lack Lack of self-worth, lack of self-love. the spleen, the stomach, the pancreas is worry, overthinking, anxiety. and the kidneys is fear, shock, PTSD. So and then those are all little compartments or little organizations. that so the like the kidneys rule our reproductive organs and our bones. the lungs rule our skin. the liver rules our tendons, our ligaments, our connective tissue, the heart rules our blood, and the spleen rules our digestion and our muscles. So you might see something like fibromyalgia, right, which was diagnosed kind of as as a a psychiatric disease at one point. They were giving you. You know, they're basically diagnosing you with anxiety, depression, and then they figured out, no, it's a real disease. And so that's the the spleen is like basically overwhelmed and given up. It usually d the fibromyalgia is usually diagnosed on women you right aroundopause. Usually you know, it's usually the empty nest syndrome when the kids leave and the mother's like what is my purpose now? I've been giving my life to my kids and my husband and my job my whole life and they're trying to figure things out and their body just literally gives up and they're left in extreme fatigue and and and body pain and so that's like a spleen deficiency issue that's directly related to, you know, the emotional body. Crissy: And what's really interesting about traditional Chinese medicine or TCM is when we talk about the organs like you are, it from a Western perspective, it's not necessarily just the actual organ. It's the meridians that are tied to those organs, right? So, you know, the heart meridian and all of these meridians move all around your body and they're they're almost like pathways of energy. Am I correct in that? Dr. Keith Cini: So there's th three hundred and sixty-five acupuncture points on the body, like the three hundred and sixty-five days of the year. those Acupuncture points connect to the 12 major meridians or energetic pathways, like the 12 months of the year. And then we have all those meridians connect to an organ, but we refer to the five major organs that I had mentioned earlier. And then those organs have a yin or yang aspect to them. And then I and the overarching mechanism is this idea of qi or vital life force energy. Which flows through the organs, flows through the meridians, flows to the points. And so Chinese medicine doesn't diagnose diseases like cancer or fibromyalgia or arthritis. It diagnoses what's out of balance in the body. So this organ and so fibromyalgia, like we mentioned earlier, it would be a bas a a spleen qi imbalance. And so how do we help bring that organ back into balance so the body can heal itself? Crissy: Interesting. So powerful. It's so, so powerful. I love listening to and learning about traditional Chinese medicine. It's it's fascinating, especially when you grow up in a world where everything is just like, no, it's your physical heart. It's this. We don't talk about energy. We don't talk about nourishment. We don't talk about deficiency or, you know, or excess and certain things, right? And it's just it's it's fascinating. So did you have another question, right? I do. So I am, I guess what you would call a sound bath virgin. I've never been. gosh. Okay, we're going. Okay, we're going. It's fabulous and we're gonna talk about that. I really wanna Dr. Keith Cini: Ha ha ha ha Crissy: talk about it. But I have been told that it's amazing by a friend and she said all these emotions come out of you and cry. And I'm like, I don't know if I wanna do that. I think it depends on what kind it is. Like she's like a yeah, she said she was just overcome with all these emotions and vibrations and and so teach me about it 'cause I I really don't know anything. Dr. Keith Cini: Well, we we just mentioned, right, those emotions are vibrations and frequencies. Crissy: Right. Dr. Keith Cini: So some people might laugh because they actually suppress the joy. Like I d I didn't realize, you know, I had suppressed joy. And so sometimes I laugh, sometimes I cry, you know, sometimes you wanna scream, which I encourage people to go, you know, in their pool or in the ocean here, especially and go underwater and, you know, get it all out. And Crissy: Just do it. That's a great idea. I like that. Dr. Keith Cini: So we th that's directly why, you know, people have these kind of emotional releases because we compartmentalize, we push down. And when you breathe and sound and now we're s you know, we're we're stirring it up. It's like sticking a a stick into a pond of water and you start to stir the muck around and it all comes up to the surface. So you can release it and let it go. Cause those negative emotions aren't serving us. And you know, when you release and let it go and then it creates room for the good stuff to come in. And so one of the you know, one of the the the work that we do is transforming negative emotions into positive attributes, you know, release the negative and create space for the positive. Crissy: Hmm. So powerful. Let's talk about some of the services that you guys provide. And then I wanna really dive into like really what like the breath work and that energy work that you guys provide in person, obviously. But talk about what you provide from agave or at agape. Dr. Keith Cini: Well Doctor Bella should really talk about her women's wellness. I mean, her focus is women's wellness from menarchy to menopause. She's gonna be quiet. But her background is the midwife and massage therapist, and she's she's gathered a lot of tools over the years to help particularly women. I started back Crissy: Mm, I love that. Dr. Keith Cini: in nineteen ninety seven, so I'm coming on thirty years. It's crazy Crissy: Wow. Dr. Keith Cini: to think about. Yeah, I started Crissy: So Dr. Bella, have you read Woman's Bodies, Woman's Wisdom? That was the first Dr. Keith Cini: Yes. Yeah. Crissy: book that I read. I remember sitting on my parents' couch and I'm like, that's it. I'm doing something in healthcare because this is awesome. Dr. Keith Cini: that's awesome. Crissy: I know a lot's changed from that book, but it sparked an interest. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah. And I just practice all holistic wellness. like you said, from menarchy to menopause. So I see I call maidens. So there's three aspects of a woman as she changes throughout life. There's the maiden, the mother, and the matriarch. So I touch on all of that. I see the young girls coming into their first menstrual cycle, their moms bring them in. Western medicine doesn't have a lot of tools to help them. They either put them on the birth control pill or you know, they don't really have anything. So the tools I have are really gentle and beautiful. I call my medicine feminine. I feel like Western medicine's very masculine. It's the words they use are very like kill and destroy or there's an enemy, war, you know, you have cancer, let's fight it. So it's very acoustic, very Crissy: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dr. Keith Cini: hard on the body, and it seems like the body's tired of fighting. So I've come up with a treatment that I call it feminine. It's loving and nurturing and harmonizing and healing and honoring. Like the words I use are so different. And I see a lot of wonderful benefits and the way the body responds to feeling loved and supported and safe. Because we really can't heal if we're in the stress response. So if you're in fight Crissy: Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: or flight or stress, which we're always in, and our society loves us, living in that. your body can't go to that place where it could heal. So I feel like if I'm an expert in anything, it's getting people into the parasympathetic and then trusting that their body knows how to heal from there. So it's Crissy: Mm. Dr. Keith Cini: like through the breath work, like that's the first tool. Like as you breathe in a certain pattern, you get yourself out of fight or flight and into rest and digest or rest and repair. And then your body from there is kind of like it the switch when you turn the lights on in your house, the electricity goes on. Kinda like in your body that's what happens. You begin to breathe in a certain pattern, your body knows you're safe and then it goes into that healing mechanism. So that's yeah, that's how I approach it. Crissy: That's great. There's there's it's such a great thing working with women. In no offense, Dr. Keith, I love working with men too. But there's no there's no good research. When you look at the funding, as we know that goes into research, it's all unfortunately the white male. So just this weekend I listened to Dr. Kelly Kasperson speak. I don't know if you know she is, she's amazing. She's fighting for war more women's sexual health and funding. And she was at the FDA last week fighting for the rights for women to use testosterone. But she put up on her presentation how much money has gone into men's health, sexual health and wellness, and how much has gone into women's. And the graph is like this. Yeah. And it's just it's maddening. And you know, women are just melt meant, you got your period. Congratulations, don't talk about it. It's dirty. You know, and just deal with it. Deal with your menstruation. you're in perimenopause. It's just something you have to get through with. Deal with it. I saw that all the time in primary care. And I was like, well, why should we just be throwing people on SSRIs for this? Like their their feelings are valid. They they didn't, you know. Ooh, I got the pressure. I think that's why having these types of conversations, and maybe that this is a continued you know, maybe we do a part two, but Having these continued conversations and putting this out into the world that women, we don't have to suffer. And we can change how we talk about our bodies and how we experience things and just kind of changing the language is really huge. And just slowing down and and and breathing and grounding yourself and trusting yourself again. So I love that. that concept of how you work with your patients and your your clients of feminine and how you're changing the language and you're getting them to slow down and understand when their bodies are in fight or flight or in that rest and restore. Right. So kind of when people start to really understand that and they can feel their blood boiling and all the things that they're they're getting to that point, giving them these beautiful tools like breath work and energy healing and sound healing and all the other things that you do we'll talk about, being able to recognize it and then rein it back in. Like, nope, not this isn't for me today. Fabulous. Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: And giving yourself permission. A lot of women, it's like there's a voice in their head saying, It's not okay to rest or you're lazy, you know, like power through it. We hear all that, you know. and Crissy: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Dr. Keith Cini: giving them permission, like it's okay if you want to rest, like let your body rest. That's the feminine dimension. And we haven't honored the feminine. We don't really Crissy: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Dr. Keith Cini: honor we honor the masculine because that's the production, it's the, you know, get things done, but You need the balance, and that's Chinese medicine as yin and yang. It's the balance of both. We need both in balance. Crissy: And I think this goes for men too. Men also need to tap into their feminine side and slow down sometimes, right? We we all have a little bit of both in our bodies, and we need to understand when we need to lean into the masculine, when we need to lean into the feminine. But for the longest time in healing and in the medical system, it has been very masculine driven and just even just in our society in general, go, go, go, do, do, do. The more you do, the more you'll be celebrated for it, right? Rather than the slowing down and understanding when our bodies just need a break. It goes for both men and women. So even if there's men listening, right? Don't you agree, Doctor Keith? Like you gotta Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah, yeah, of course. I mean, this is why, you know, Chinese medicine is based off of balance, you know, yin and yang and balance and harmony. And you know, a lot of things got lost through the ages of, you know, transforming from a matriarch matriarchal society to a patriarchal society. And you know, we just got back from Scotland and it th that's where the the the largest witches witch hunts were taking place. So they were taking the herbalists and the midwives and the healers and burning them at the stake. And then it keeps on getting deeper, you know, when you get into the AMA, the American Medical Association, which is less than 150 years old, and they took even more traditional healing methods like osteopathy and homeopathy and you know, kind of pushed them to the wayside and And now, you know, I think it it it's time that i it it's starting to come back, you know, we're starting to reclaim our power. You know, I don't know like it's pretty obvious, you know, that war doesn't work. We cannot keep on dominating nature. You know, nature is a is the symbol, you know, for the mother, you know, and creativity and we can't keep on abusing the earth and think that she's gonna sustain us. Crissy: Mm-hmm. Dr. Keith Cini: And and and men and women are you know we're redefining our roles. So I'm trying to think there's the name of a book. something about the alphabet, the alphabet and the goddess, and how you know, in in the times when it w there was no written language and we were just living off the land, and it was the grandmothers who, you know, even in the Native Americans, the the grandmothers were the ones making the decision for the tribe. the go the the the the the fa the men would go to the grandmothers to make the decision and then you had a balance and because if it's all you know push push push you know eventually you're just gonna push yourself over the edge and so there needs to be you know a balance of of giving and and receiving and so we're learning it's not a it's not a easy lesson but I think this is the time of the Great Awakening and a lot of Things that have been suppressed are coming up to the surface so that we can deal with them in a healthier way. Crissy: Mm-hmm. I agree. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So if you're starting, if you are one listening and you're like starting this is this is stirring something up in you, listen to that inner voice. Listen to that how it senses in your body and recognize that like it's happening to a lot of us, right? We're all starting to get it this awakening more and more and more of like we need to lean into our earth a little bit more. We need to treat our earth better, and we need to treat our bodies better. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah. Yeah. And you it's one of the things you said is feeling, you know, and so the mind thinks. And so people tell they're like, Well, I think. I'm like, No, I don't wanna know what you think. I wanna know what you Crissy: Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: feel. Tell me what you're feeling. And that's uncomfortable, you know, like to get in touch with some of those those feelings that you know, one one of the interesting things that shows up in my clinic is that, you know, women who are who or no, men who are sad. And it it shows up as anger. So you have all these angry guys, Crissy: Hm. Dr. Keith Cini: 'cause guys, you know, you're not allowed to cry, so they get Crissy: Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: angry instead. And women who are angry, you know, 'cause it's not very ladylike to yell, you know, and so the lot of their anger shows up as sadness. Crissy: Yeah. I cry when I'm angry sometimes, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it Dr. Keith Cini: You know. Crissy: definitely. I'd much rather do that than be angry. I'm yelling. I'm Italian. Yeah. I Dr. Keith Cini: Ha ha. Crissy: grew up in a I grew up in a yelling household. So for me, yelling felt unsafe. So that's for me for sure. But that's funny. Paul's the quiet one. He's British. He's all proper. He's Now children, this is how it's gonna go. And I'm like, But when when when he talks, they listen. And I was like, I'm Dr. Keith Cini: So that that that's that's the yin and yang. Uh-huh. Crissy: yelling, but they're not listening. So yeah, it doesn't Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah. Well, Crissy: Ha ha ha. Dr. Keith Cini: I I'm Italian too, and I grew up in one of those households where that's how my parents communicated. Yelled at each other. And Crissy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: so I've I've learned over the years to communicate in a gentler way. But I yell once in a while to two kids are like, Why do you yell? And I'm like, Well, 'cause it makes me feel better. Crissy: Yeah. You're always trying to like out talk each other around the table at Christmas Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah. Crissy: time with all the Italian uncles. Yeah. So goodness gracious. my goodness. All right. I want to talk about breath work. I think this is a really topic, a really strong topic that a lot of people don't understand. maybe a lot of people haven't experienced a breath work session, either with you or with other people. But I have multiple times. And I can say that each time I do it, I am resistant. I never want to do it. I'm always like, God, here we go. Because it's hard, it's uncomfortable. But when I'm done, every single time, I'm like, damn, that was really amazing. And what I experienced and released and felt was insane. Absolutely every single time. So Let's I want to talk specifically about the way that you guys do it because you also add in the chakras. You don't just do breath work, you're adding in these layers and these levels of rebalancing all of this make seven major, anyways, seven major energy centers from the root to the crown. And the way they do it is phenomenal with the music and both of you walking around. And Dr. Keith is is Saying an affirmation, then Dr. Bella is coming in, and or vice versa. And they're just saying the affirmations over and then coming by you. And you could feel their energy and the tuning forks and everything. It's like, mind blowing, body blowing. It's amazing. So talk to me about how you guys kind of came up with that concept of the power of breath work, why it's so important. I want to know. And then how you guys marry that and bring in the chakra healing as well. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah, please. Well, I started and I was trained by Judith Kravis for Transformational Breath. probably in twenty fifteen I began. So it's been a little bit now. And over the years, we just started incorporating the chakras and the energy centers and creating our own thing. Now we call it light body breath work, and it's about breath, sound, and light. And we all have an energetic body. So like we were saying, we are layers. We have this physical body and that's pretty much all that Western medicine sees and works with, which is only four percent of reality in quantum physics, are they proven they've proven our eyes only see four percent of reality. So there's ninety-six percent unseen, and that's pretty much what we're working with. So you have the physical, the emotional, the mental, the spiritual. You have all these aspects of who you are. And I say we're like a onion and we're peeling the layers nice and slow. We don't want to cut that onion open and kill ourselves, but we're very gently peeling these layers. That's why it you can come to the breath work ten, twenty, thirty times and every time is different. Because you're different, the day's different, the energy is different. So we can never compare like this is how it's gonna be or I did that breath work and I know how it's gonna be. It is really the unknown. You're going into it's called inner space exploration and you're going into the unknown. And it's beautiful 'cause we don't know what's gonna happen. But for Crissy: That's probably why I was resisting it, right? Because it's the unknown. My my body is like, no, don't do it, Chrissy. We don't want to feel this. Dr. Keith Cini: Ha ha. Crissy: This is unsafe. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah, for our purposes, because we only have a certain amount with you guys, our purposes are to get you guys to breathe full diaphragmatic breath. And the only muscle of respiration is your diaphragm. So that's the only muscle you need to be using. Everything else could be relaxed, and we're just breathing the full diaphragmatic breath. And that's what we're hoping to see by the end of that breath session, that you're you're taking that full breath. And when you start to do that, your body starts to breathe you. So at first you're in your mind, which is analyzing and thinking. It's the masculine and the heart is the feminine, but the thinking is about like, am I doing this right? This feels weird. Why am I, I want to leave, whatever. Like you're judging. And that's why we have something called miracle consciousness, like let go of the judgment so you can actually just be present because judgment is another way that we constrict ourselves and we limit ourselves. So we always talk about please let go of the judgment. Be in miracle consciousness and just trust the process. Whatever happens is perfect for you because it's always going to be different. So whether you think nothing happened or you met your higher self, whatever happens is perfect for you in that moment. So that's how we approach the situation and the breath work. Crissy: How long are the sessions? Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: They're about two hours. Crissy: Yeah. we can't do like a mini winny. Like a two minute one. Dr. Keith Cini: Well You're not breathing the whole time. Like we have to do the introduction. So I Crissy: okay. Dr. Keith Cini: think it's about forty five minutes of the full breath. Yeah. Crissy: Yeah. And it it's it really is intense. And and there it is a little bit of like in the first, you know, few, probably like the first song that you kind of are playing. It's it's getting into it, it's finding your your rhythm and your cadence with the breath, right? And then it's like each time you move to the next chakra, it's it it got you have a little moment of like down, and then you're getting right back into it. But it's like different stories or different Dr. Keith Cini: No. Crissy: like I can see different visions in each one, it feels like. and and maybe it's because of the energy center that we are focusing on and the depth that I'm allowing myself to go to. but it's yeah, it's really amazing. It's it's everybody should do it. Everybody should do it. Dr. Keith Cini: Mm-hmm. Well, the the breath is the one thing, you know, that we have, you know, from the first breath we take out of the womb until the last breath that we take before, you know, we leave this earth. And you know, earth the breath work now seems to be, you know, there's a big focus on it. We had Wim Hoff, you know, who does his breath work to and the ice baths. there's holotropic breath work that's been around for quite a while. There's rebirthing. Which the transformational birth breath came out of the rebirthing movement. And you know, you're if you're familiar with the chakras, of course, you know, each chakra has a geometric figure that corresponds to it. It has a frequency like four thirty-two. I don't know all the exact frequencies that go with it. And and r you know, Crissy: Color. Dr. Keith Cini: it's in a color, right? So and and then we use all of those in the in the work that we do including the crystal bowls that are resonate to the different frequencies of the individual chakras. And the chakras are basically translated as spinning wheels of light, right? Spinning wheels of light and color. And it's a like a water wheel. You want all the wheels to spin and the You pour the water and you want all the wheels to spin in the right direction. And so one is if one of them is out of order, and it'll knock the other ones out of order. And so the the chakras are unique because they correspond to the endocrine system. So the Chinese medicine has the five elements that correspond to the five organs. Well, the yogic system of chakras and the seven chakras correspond to the seven endocrine glands. And you like from root to crown. And so when you talk about the root, you know, you're talking about safety and survival. And the second chakra related to the umbilicus is related to how we nourish ourselves kind of you know with food or with food and reproduction, like you know, your two basic needs. And the solar plexus is it's the solar plexus is like the lighthouse, it's like the light that you shine out into the world, it's your profession, your calling, you know, and then the heart is the th the thymus claim. so did I say. I'm sorry. So the the the the the the root chakra are your gonads, your ovaries and testes. The second chakra are your adrenal glands, and the solar plexus is your pancreas. The heart is your thymus, and so the heart is the bridge between the three lower and the three upper. And that's of course that's that love and self-love and self-worth. the throat is your thyroid gland, and it's shaped Like a butterfly, and it's do you bless people with your words or do you curse people with your words? And the pineal gland in the third eye is insight and intuition. And I also call it relate it to like positive thinking or negative thinking. And then your crown chakra, the pituitary gland, and that's your connection to source. And it's real like related to Jacob's ladder. It's the ladder of ascension. So you're moving from low frequency to higher frequency. And so yeah, and so different experiences or you know emotions or memories may come up as you as we move through the different, as we activate, you know, each of those chakras through the breath and your touch and the sound that we're using in the sessions. Crissy: Yeah. So it's fascinating. Honestly. I I mean, I know I love it just because of the work that I do and all of my just education and learning and everything, but I swear I could talk about this stuff all day long. Dr. Keith Cini: Well, I think right 'cause it's a passion. It's not something, you know, we're not studying for an exam or it's not like rote Crissy: Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: memorization. This is what this is the passion from the heart. It's what we love to do, you know. And my secret is that like if I would you don't have to pay me to do this work. You know, I would Crissy: Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: I would do it for free, but I gotta pay my bills, so don't tell anybody, you know, this Crissy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: is this is what I we love we love to do. And I feel like it's well Crissy: You're so good at it. And it's great. It's great when you find your passion. I the last six months have been so happy for me. I know that's great. Dr. Keith Cini: And and we get to share it with each other, you know. So we are the yin and yang for each other. Crissy: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure that shifts and changes every now and then too. Who's the yin? Who's the yong? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And she's Dr. Keith Cini: Well, just like life. Yeah, well, we know who's the boss, right? Crissy: the really cute one sitting back there. Dr. Keith Cini: Just let me do all the talking now. As we turn Crissy: Yeah. Dr. Keith Cini: the the recording off, we'd be like, get to work, buddy. Crissy: Yeah. Well, we will let you guys get back to work. This conversation has been fantastic. And if anybody is local and want to learn more or go see them at Agape Healing Art in Tequista, Florida. And we might just have to have you guys on again to continue the chat a little bit more about some some more stuff that you guys could do in the world. Dr. Keith Cini: y it would be wonderful because we offer, you know, many modalities here from cranial sacral you know, beyond the Chinese medicine and acupuncture, we have cranial sacral therapy here and we have different types of abdominal work, organ massage therapy. Doctor Bella specializes in our Vigo Mayan Abdominal Therapy. I do something called qi neatsang, which r ties in and relates to all these things that we've been talking about. So Yeah, we'd love to have you. If you have any questions, please feel free to visit our website. There's a lot of information at our website at agapehealingarts dot com or just give us a call and we'd be happy to answer any questions that you have. Crissy: Perfect. And all of the information will be down in the show notes as well of how to connect with you all and and reach out and follow and all the things. So thank you guys so, so much for taking time out of your day to just be here with our community and open their eyes to energy and healing and sound and that there's a whole other level to our healing than just the physical. So I appreciate you both so much. Dr. Keith Cini: Yeah. Thank you. I just wanted to let leave everyone with your breath is your best friend. Yeah. It's one of those things that your body will do for you automatically, but you could actually change it with consciousness and use it as a tool for your healing. So it's really the most beautiful gift we have. Crissy: Hmm. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you guys. Dr. Keith Cini: And thank you for sharing your passion with the world and and help educate, you know, people and and and introduce them to these new i ideas and concepts. Yeah. Awesome. Crissy: That's our goal. Yeah, yeah. That's our goal for sure. so good. I have chills. That's great. All right. Thank you guys. Until next time. Bye. Dr. Keith Cini: Bye bye. Thank you.