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Leo Muhammad on Black Unity, Self-Repair & The Real McCoy, Ep 26 · Sense Only

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Newspaper called me on one occasion Britain's prophet of hate.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: No nation can rise any higher than its woman.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: My great brother, Martin Luther King, he was under the impression that you could love white people interchanging.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't hate them interchanging, and you can't love them interchanging.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: They are who they are and they are gonna do what they do.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: 193 countries, 177 of them they've made it already made war with.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody is allowed, my dear sister, to talk their truth.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: But again, what a lot of us don't understand is that as black people, that's disallowed.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: We are not allowed to talk our truth, especially if we're gonna do it in such a way that it's gonna be uplifting to the people.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: There is a demasculation process that has been in place when it comes to the black man in the Western world in the UK.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, many of us have fallen for it.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Many of us have adopted this mentality that we're gonna go along to get along and make ourselves small.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: My character, the character I created called Mr.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Fraser.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the way, Mr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fraser was um, he was an alter ego.
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  SPEAKER_05: Mr.
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  SPEAKER_05: Fraser was a classic character, right?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Mr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fraser allowed me, he allowed me to be so silly.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: To be so mad.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: You understand what I'm saying?
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Once those teeth went in and those shoes went on and it was no longer Brother Leo.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Brother Leo was gone.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm one of the Windrush children who lived in this country for over 50 years and been denied a British passport.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: I only got it after the scandal broke.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then I got my some lawyers on it.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's only then did I get the after the scandal broke.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was such a uh a wonderful thing being able to write sketches that had a message.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_06: You had some deep messages.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_06: I learned a lot from you.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's how powerful black unity potentially is.
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  SPEAKER_06: Greetings and salutations, I'm Alicia Molly, and this is the sense-only podcast.
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  SPEAKER_06: This podcast is for those who are tired of the noise, distraction, and disconnection in the world.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_06: It's for those who know that we need to be the change that we want to see in the world today.
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  SPEAKER_06: My guess today.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_06: I'm so humbled.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_05: I feel like I need to pinch myself.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_06: I can't believe my guest today is absolute legend.
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  SPEAKER_06: Television, royalty, somebody who cares about us, loves us, and is doing the work for us, shows up for us, and I am over the moon.
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  SPEAKER_06: So humbled to introduce to you, Brother Leo Mohammed.
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  SPEAKER_06: Welcome, brother.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, beloved sister Alicia.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: That was absolutely beautiful.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's heavy.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_06: Brother Leo, please, for anyone who doesn't know who you are or not familiar, tell us who you are and what it is that you do.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, um, yeah, my name is Leo Muhammad.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I used to be known as Leo X Chester because I became a member of the Nation of Islam in the early 90s.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: And in the nation, just like you know, he began as Malcolm Little, then he became Malcolm X, and ultimately Malcolm Shabbaz.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: In the Nation of Islam, we go through a process whereby we have a name change.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the X actually represents the unknown quantity.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because we, when we were stolen from Africa, destroyed as a human reality, we lost our names, our language, our culture, our God, everything.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: So the Nation of Islam restores all of that.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then ultimately, I was blessed in 1996, 1997 to receive the tremendously powerful name of Muhammad.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm Leo Mohammed.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm known as an activist.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I've been out there for many, many years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, back in the day when uh we were demonstrating against the apartheid regime in South Africa when there were no black people on the marches.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Mostly it was Caucasian people on the marches.
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  SPEAKER_01: Brother Leo, as a young boy, I was one of those out there trying to make a difference.
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  SPEAKER_01: Myself and a great brother uh Spartacus R.
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  SPEAKER_01: We used to go into the supermarkets, fill up our trolleys with South African goods, and then check them all through, and then get to the last item.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we would say, but hold on a minute, all these things are from South Africa, can't possibly pay for this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mess up their tills, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were arrested, uh charged with threatening behavior because we we did a clench fist salute in the shop, and uh we went to court and we were able to prove that the clenched fist was essentially that.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: It was a salute, it wasn't violence, it wasn't anything, and we we were acquitted.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: So these are some of the little background things, and then of course I became well known for the real McCoy.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um I went to a college, Kingsway Princeton College, did a one-year drama course, trained to be an actor, straight actor.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, part of that course, towards the end of the course, was a section called cabaret, where we had to essentially just try and make our classmates laugh.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: Turned out that I was very good at making all of my classmates laugh.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then the the tutor of that particular um course, uh, a guy by the name of Piers Gladhill, he said, Would you like to would you like to try and do this in front of a live audience?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Yeah, why not?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so the next thing I know, I was at something called the Black Cat Cabaret, which was a pub uh in East London, uh upstairs, and um performing before an audience.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: It went very well.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was amazing.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: I did five minutes to start, and then it went so well that we did it again a week later.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: That really turned out to be the same situation, the same result.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so, within literally within a couple of months of that, I found myself on the stage at the Hackney Empire uh doing stand-up comedy, and then the whole stand-up comedy thing took off big time.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: With the there was something called the Black Comedy Club that was formed.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: You had people like Angela Ma, myself, Jefferson and Whitfield, Curtis and Curtis and Ishmael, Luella Gideon, and um Colette Johnson.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were short, sharp, and shocking.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: And there were so many of us on creating a black circuit of black comedy.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's when the BBC decided that they had a gap in their scheduling, so they were head-hunting for potential people to come onto the BBC and do a show, which is how the real McCoy really began.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: So that's basically a bit of my background.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as a member of the Nation of Islam, I am primarily motivated uh to see our people manifesting our true character, our true nature.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, unfortunately, from my perspective, based on the teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, as taught and exemplified by the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, what I've observed is that as a people today, we are somewhat of a hybrid.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're not who we were, and we are not um what we could be.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: There is work that needs to be done to get us back to that optimum level of life, and so that's that's my that's my motivation to really try and help us to achieve that as a people.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's me.
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  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_06: And how stellar and wonderful was that.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you so much.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_06: What I want to ask you is before we get into anything heavy and deep, what have you done lately that's made you feel proud?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: What I've done lately to make me feel proud is I've um helped one of my daughters uh who, you know, she's a she's a big woman now.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: She's got her own uh children.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: She called me somewhat trepidatiously, oh dad, you know, I need to go abroad.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Would you take me to the airport?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, she almost sounded as if she expected me to say no.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: I said, of course.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's four three in the morning that I need to be at the I said, beloved.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it's these things, small things, but they make me feel um very good because it's family and it's it's it's that kind of love um that uh the children they think that they are getting in the way or or they're too old to be relying called in on their father, whatever.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I'm I'm there uh for my children to the best of my ability.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, it's a small thing, but yeah, that and um I I went to visit my mother.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I won't say where she lives, but she she doesn't live here, she lives abroad, and uh it was it was nice to go and see my mum and uh you know interact with her because she's 87 now and uh she likes to have her children around.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what makes me feel proud.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_06: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_06: On one of my previous episodes, I because as you've just mentioned, the world is looking crazy right now.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, and I was trying to I was trying to find solutions, and I'm like, and I just I know I kind of stated in the discussion, I was like, do we need a board of elders or something?
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  SPEAKER_06: Do you have any thoughts on that?
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, you know, we are obviously original people.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are originally from that magnificent continent called Africa.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in most African traditions, what you'll see is that the the standard is old men for war, uh, sorry, old men for counsel, young men for war.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what that essentially means is that as young people, we we go to the elders to get guidance, and then the elders give us the benefit of experience, and then as young people we go out and we we war with the elements and the obstacles and the things that prevent the nation from being successful.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and unfortunately, because of what happened to us over those 400 years of enslavement, that system has been destroyed.
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  SPEAKER_01: So now very few young people I think really look to the elders.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right and and that that Bob Marley said it like this: he says, we have to close that generation gap.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's essential that that's done.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, uh a board of elders, absolutely.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, again, if you in our tradition, it's always been there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can find it in the scriptures, the 24 elders, or you know, the 24 scientists we call them in the Nation of Islam.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: But um, it's it's a very, very important thing that there is a link between the youth and the elders.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even when it comes to male-female relationships, there's a huge gap developing between the black female and the black male.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: And these are things which are not accidental there by design.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so we have to have a counter to push back and make these things very much uh a reality, otherwise we will continue to be uh, you know, really a people who are declining rather than growing and developing.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_06: Because I'm like, what would that look like as well?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_06: Because, you know, when we start thinking about things like ego and and whatnot, because this this is this is part of my mission within this podcast as well, and this is why I want to interview amazing people like yourself and what wonderful people making a difference who probably lesser known.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_06: Um, because there's so much division and there's so much ignorance because there's good people in different pockets, but because people staying in their pockets and not crossing over and talking to another person who's maybe of a different religion or a different faith or whatever, yeah, you're missing out on the unity that is within us.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_06: That's why I always say I'm black first.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_06: And this is why people will see on this podcast I talk to everyone, yeah, and I see the value and beauty in all of us, yeah.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_06: Because I'm like, at the end of the day, we are all family, no matter what who you want to go and chat to or do whatever, that's your business.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_06: But I'm like, we all have a collective mission right now, and this is part of you know, we bring it connecting everyone and bringing everyone together.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_06: But I'm like outside of me doing my part, I'm like, it's tricky because I see how other people show up in the world and put judgment on another person.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so I'm like, okay, as much as we've just had a mini discussion on that sounds like a viable resolution or step two of resolution.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like, How?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_06: How?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the the most honourable Elijah Mohammed said that our unity is more powerful than an atomic bomb.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's how powerful black unity potentially is.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: The honorable minister Louis Farrakhan said that black is the least common denominator that we need to unite around.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I agree with you in terms of what you were just saying.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: The difficulty, you've kind of hit it in truth.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: The difficulty is this ego thing, this envy and jealousy thing.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but you know, sister, again, in the nation of Islam, we're very we're scriptural-based.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are first and foremost a people.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: And when I say a people, I'm not talking about a nation of Islam, I'm talking about black people as a whole.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our very nature is God.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Whether you call him God, whether you call him Allah, whether you say Jah, there is only one God.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just like we've only got this one earth, one sun, one moon, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: There's not a multiplicity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so if we could just really begin to appreciate that as a people, we are one.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: We may have different, it's like, I don't know, you may have a biological sister or brother or whatever, and you grew up under the same roof.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: But at a certain point in time, you all moved out, and you've got you've got blinds, your brother's got curtains, but you're still brother and sister.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: But we allow these differences, these trivial things to come between us.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: The Honourable Minister Louis Farcon said it like this one day.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was so beautiful.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: He said, we should be as wise as the drunk who is not interested in the label on the bottle, whether it's whiskey, wine, you know, rum, I'm trying to think of some alcohol.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't drink no more.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um we the the label is irrelevant to the drunk.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: He wants the content that's in the bottle.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: We we need to learn to put aside these labels, Christian, Muslim, Rasta.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they are important things as a as a means of identification or whatever.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: However, they shouldn't be so important that it means that we're gonna negate an element of our family.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: We are family.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: As black people, man, back in the day, I I I came to the UK in 1967, giving you a little clue to the age now.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, 1967.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: In those days, sister, you know, um 67, going into the the 70s, there's no way we would be on the street in England and see another black person and there wouldn't be some kind of acknowledgement.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, if you got on a bus and there was another black person on the bus, you'd go and sit next to them and strike up a conversation or whatever.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: If we saw elders, a sister or a brother, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, because that's how we were in Jamaica.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's all gone now.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because we have bought into this individualism thing that has been promoted by the Caucasian culture.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Caucasian culture says, I'm I'm all right, Jack.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've got mine, you get yours.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: The black culture, Alexander Dumas, who was the black man who wrote The Three Musketeers, he said, all for one and one for all.
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  SPEAKER_01: One for all and all for one.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's our philosophy, that's the way we are as a people by nature.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: But we've lost it and we have to get it back.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the way to do that, in my humble opinion, is involves something that some of a lot of us are lacking today, which is humility.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right, I agree.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: The scripture says, lest ye become like a child, you cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: A child is humble.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: A child is constantly asking questions and searching and looking around or whatever, and it's wide-eyed wonder at such a wonderful universe.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that when we become adults, in the word adults, you have words like adultery, right?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where we we start to worship multiple gods and we we we're not loyal to one or anything.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm an adult, you can't tell me nothing.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: I know that already.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is a very well-known Jamaican saying, by the way, Menora Taredi.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Once you say that, once you say, Menura Taredi, you've just cut off every avenue to learning.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: We have to be sufficiently humble whereby we recognize that knowledge is infinite and no one knows everything.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know enough.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: So we should always be open to new knowledge and information.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so, in in closing on this point, what we have in the Nation of Islam is a course of study called self-improvement, the basis for community development.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't spend a great deal of time pointing the finger out this one and that one, and this is the problem.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: We look at this one.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Jackson said, I'm talking to the man in the mirror.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm hoping that he will change his ways.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sister, if I change, if you change, if we change, the world changes.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because we're in the world.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're part of an ecosystem that earlier on when we were talking, we were talking, we were talking like the six degrees of separation.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: How everything is connected.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: You see?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's what needs to happen.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: We need to appreciate that we need metaphorically to go back to school, in that the education that we've received thus far is not sufficient to allow us to unify and to come together because we've been miseducated about who we are, so we don't recognize one another.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we can criticize Caucasian people if we want.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: However, if an aeroplane goes down tomorrow and it goes down in Borneo, and there are Asian people on board, and there are people from Malaysia on board or whatever, and they are the majority, and there's one or two English white men on that plane.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: I guarantee you, on the news, you will not learn about any of the people from Asia, but you will know the name of the two white Englishmen who was on that plane.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because they understand they recognize their family wherever they are on the planet, and they will support one another, they will lord one another, they will build one another up.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: We have been miseducated to not recognize our family who may be suffering in the Congo, who may be suffering in Burkina Faso, who may be suffering in the Isles of the Pacific, who may be suffering in the Caribbean, but they are all family.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not gonna try and blow no smoke on myself, but I'm telling you, man, I'll be watching the TV and I will see something in a far-off place and the people, and I'm tears.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because I feel it, because I know that's me.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_06: Same.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: See, and and until we can get that kind of feeling back, see, then you know, that's that's that's the problem.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that we remember we haven't been educated by our own.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Our scholarship is from somewhere else, and it's foreign.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we we need to reclaim our own.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot come up under a Eurocentric educational system and think that that's gonna be sufficient to allow us as original people, as black people, to come back together as we ought to.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_06: What does re education look like?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_06: Like, what do we need to do?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_06: Because at the end of the day, we still live here in the West.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_06: As much as I've screamed on this podcast, I'm trying to get off this island.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_05: I'm trying to get out of here.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know where I'm going.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_06: Still working on it.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_06: But that aside, I'm like, we we're all here.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: Here.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_06: All our little people are still under European miseducation.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_06: And as much as we've talked about on this podcast before in terms of Saturday schools and things like that, so we've got brothers and sisters who are who are making efforts to start up schools, including brother Andrew as well.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_06: You know, people are doing it as well.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_06: But I'm like not enough people are going.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_06: Not enough people are sending their their children there.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_06: Not enough people are educating themselves as grown people.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_06: You know?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_06: That that old saying in terms of if you want to hide anything, put in the book.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_06: I wish it wasn't true.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, wish it wasn't true.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_06: Because it's like even on the on the social media, I've seen that the there's a brother um and he's about to have to close down his bookshop and I think that's a good one.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's brother Peppa Kai.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's one of our elders, yeah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know, I know.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_06: That's so painful.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_06: Man's got a million books.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_06: And there's there's more than a million of us here, even if everyone just buy one book.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: A significant part of this um problem again is that um when you say what does it look like in terms of the re-education process.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: See, I'm in the nation, and in the nation we have classes.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And we got a men's class and we got a women's class.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And we are all the the, you know, people who refer to me as a minister in the Nation of Islam.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a word that we put before minister that the Honourable Minister Louis Farrakhan has instructed us to, which is student.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Student minister.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like, so okay, I'm I'm talking now on your podcast.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe somebody might think, oh, he thinks he's a teacher.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: And if I'm a teacher, I'm a student teacher.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm learning whilst I am trying to impart or regurgitate what I've learnt and give it to somebody else.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Each one teach one.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: In Islam, for instance, we're taught that you're not a Muslim until you want for your brother or sister what you want for yourself.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So in the nation, we have classes, and it doesn't matter how old we are, we are required to attend that class.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because what's contained within the class is guidance to help us to come up to that place that we're discussing, whereby we can recognize our brothers and sisters, whereby we can fall in love with our brothers and sisters, whereby we become productive human beings, where now we are producing rather than consuming only, and we are business oriented whereby now we're gonna build something for ourselves.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're not just gonna wait around maybe shouting and demanding reparations.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna first and foremost understand that that process of reparations begins with self-repair.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got to fix ourselves before we think that the government's gonna give us a check and somehow that's gonna solve our problems.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, sister, it it's encouraging at the Million Man March, which is a huge, huge event that took place in 1995, where the Honourable Minister Louis Firecan called for a million black men to come to Washington, and nearly two million showed up.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, at that event, the minister was encouraging all the men, when you return home, join an organization, a black organization, be a part of the church, be a part of the mosque, be a part of some fraternity, be a part of something which is bigger than yourself.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because this is one of the main problems that we have in the world today, in the world of black people, is selfishness, self-centeredness, and this thing where, like I said, we've adopted this philosophy, I've got mine, you get yours.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: So just just attach yourself to something bigger.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, something constructive, hopefully something positive.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Not I'm not saying go and join a gang of armed robbers.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's not gonna work either.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: But but but but something that's gonna allow us to be in a learning environment, and and and we have to first and foremost admit that we don't know.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's part of the problem.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, if we think you already know, if you think you've arrived, where else is there to go?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right, so you know, and then and then the unity can begin from there.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: We can begin to um grow as individuals.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, believe me, sister, um my early years in Jamaica uh um were quite good years when I was a youngster before I got to, you know, from year zero to age five, six, seven.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: I came here when I was nine.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Those were good years.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was in school and and I I never knew anything about racism in Jamaica, by the way.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: My family was in politics.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: My dad, my dad, before he left to come here, he was the third secretary in the prime minister's office.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: My uncle, Arthur Jones, was the long has the distinction of being the longest serving MP in Jamaican history.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Arthur Jones.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying those things so people can go Google.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I know what Jamaicans are like.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: But but but what's my point?
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: My point is that having then come to England, all of a sudden, I'm hearing about this racism and and I'm experiencing racism.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: And um then unfortunately, my family broke apart, my mother and father broke apart.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: So then I ended up uh with my younger brother um going into these establishments, children's homes, and and institutions.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: And wow, that was a real um culture shock to find myself now in this alien environment where now my schooling suffered.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't go to school.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't uh in the end, I had no uh examinations, I had no qualifications, uh, I went through a whole kind of uh destruction of my personality.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I became very um despondent.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: One day I found myself in front of a mirror.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, maybe I was 11, 12 years old, maybe.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: And the thought process that was in my mind when I was looking in the mirror was, God, why did you make me black and ugly?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how insidious racism was.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm born in a solid black country in Jamaica.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm I'm seeing my family in as well-to-do people.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I've got no inferiority complex, but within a few short years of being in the UK, I'm now seeing myself as being black and ugly.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um there was a degeneration that took place, and um I um ended up getting into all kinds of mischief and trouble on the streets.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: I became like a street person and um ended up going into borsa, ended up going into prison, ended up in all kinds of um really crazy situations.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, only by the grace of God am I here today.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Believe me, believe me.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so under those circumstances, um there was a character that was created on the real McCoy called Damn Fool Man.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can bear witness that I used to be Damn Foolman.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Please understand what I'm saying.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was damn full.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: I had no sense, I was so stupid, running up and down.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm saying all of that to say a point in time came when I realized that I didn't know anything.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember one of the first books that inspired me was The Philosophy and Opinions of Marcus Messiah Garvey.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: And as I read that book, it's a thick book.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: As I read that book, tears would just flow.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for weeks I'm just crying, just and one of the main reasons why I was crying reading that book was I was saying to myself, My God, this man was talking these things, writing these things in the 20s.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: And here I am now in the 70s, and nothing has changed.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, there was an awakening.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh when I heard the teachings of the Most Honourable Elijah Muhammad's sister, it was like, I don't know if you can imagine coming home, you're familiar with where you live.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: But you come home and you hit the light switch, and it's it's in the middle of the night when you've come home.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: You hit the light switch and nothing happens.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Even though no lights come on, there's something wrong with your light in your house.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Even though you're familiar with where you live, you would find yourself tentatively trying to make your way into the living room and trying to get somewhere where you can find a torch or something.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Or nowadays everybody's got a torch on their phone, so you could probably do that.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: But my point is that when I heard the teachings of the most honourable Elijah Mohammed, it was the equivalent of being in a dark room and somebody hitting the switch and the light came on.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it was like for me.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: I said, What?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: For the first time in my life, so many questions that I had were being answered.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it made perfect sense, made mathematical sense.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Not, you know, because you know, some of us when we get into religion, it's like we take our brains out and leave them at the front door each time we go out of the house because we believe in nonsensical things.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't want to start naming too many of them.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_06: No, but we know, we know.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone can work it out.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: But but uh, you know, but but let me let me just say a couple.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Snakes don't talk.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's a metaphorical meaning to the snake talking to Eve in the garden, but it wasn't a snake.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just that that's why you call people who are wicked and slimy snakes, because they're not upright, they they slither.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Women who are virgins don't give birth to babies without the agency of sperm and ovum.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: A man had to be involved in that process to produce our brother Jesus, who is a black man, by the way.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm just saying that because you see, when I heard these teachings, everything made sense.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Mathematical sense.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: You could add it up.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: If you can't add the thing up, if it doesn't make mathematical sense, then it's nonsense.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, for me, that was um that that for me, it's it's a very, I'm not suggesting for one minute it's easy, but I'm what I am saying is that um, you know, struggle is ordained.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know if you had the conversation with your mother, I had the conversation with mine.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: But when I was born, my mother was in labor and the waters broke.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then apparently I decided to go to sleep in her womb for another 72 hours.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: So she had a dry birth.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: There was no water to help.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I she my mum said I nearly killed her.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: And my head was all elongated.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my mum is she's like, she's like an artistic woman because she said she tapped it.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: She said she tapped my head back into shape.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know it's soft, everything is soft.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: And she said she reshaped it, but apparently my head was all because I can't, it was so difficult for me to come out because it was a dry birth.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, wow.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: But why am I saying that?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because the pain of birth.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Have you got any babies?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a parent who's outlived their child.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: The pain of birth is like the pain of death.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Each woman who gives birth gets to a point where she thinks, uh, I'm gonna die.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: I can't do this, I can't, you know.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm just saying that to say when you study life, you'll find that all of that is built into the process of life.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: Struggle is ordained.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Anything worthwhile doing in this life comes with a difficulty factor.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we mustn't run away from the difficulty, we must face the difficulty, confront the difficulty, overcome the difficulty, and that's what makes us great.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: We do not watch ordinary people on the television, we don't watch ordinary people at the cinema, we don't go to the racetrack or to the circus or wherever we go to watch ordinary.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: We go to watch extraordinary.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: See, but you can't become extraordinary until you are able to overcome the ordinary.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Makes sense?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: So this is so so I'm saying to because I know there'd be people they'd be saying, yeah, man, but boy, I I can't go back to school, blood.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's too hard.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's too hard, bruv.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, you can you'd be surprised what you can do, brother.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: You'd be surprised what you can do, sister.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: You you can do anything, anything that you can conceive in your mind, you can bring it into reality.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_06: And at the end of the day, this is earth school anywhere, so you don't necessarily have to go to an institution to go and get some learning.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_06: That's right.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_06: Like one of the things I always encourage as well is travel.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_06: The most powerful education ever is traveling, literally.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_06: So um I 100% agree what you just said.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you know, when you just mentioned in terms of um how you saw yourself, it reminded me of the first time I went to Ghana.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_06: And as much as I've been going to you could say our countries from when else like first time I went to Jamaica, I was three.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_06: So I've been going to our countries for time.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_06: But I had a I had a moment in the first time I went to Ghana, and it it dawned on me that it was it was such a weird and profound um revelation and shift I went through because it was as much as I'd step out, I didn't how much I need to land.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_06: I didn't realise how much additional subconscious programming or mental, spiritual, emotional fighting we have to do every time we step out the door, we're living in the West until that particular when I was in Ghana, because I walked out and I was like, there was just a different energy.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, I'm walking out and I'm seeing everyone who looks like me.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_06: Granted, I've experienced this before.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_06: Can we go to Jamaica since I was a baby?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_06: However, stepping out and seeing everybody looks like me, seeing all the posters and everyone looks like me, there was a different shift of something I'm having to process when I'm here, I'm not having to process.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_06: I was lighter.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_06: If that makes sense.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: There was a different yeah, absolutely.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_06: So I say that to say, as I said, I've already said um I'm trying to get off this island.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_06: Do we all need to leave?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very, very important question you're asking there, sister.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was, please don't quote me.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I hate to uh misinform, but I think it was as long ago as 2013 when the Honourable Minister Louis Farrakhan told us in the Nation of Islam here in the United Kingdom that we have to prepare ourselves to leave.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because Europe will become a theatre of war.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: So just think about what's happening in the world right now.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, for a lot of our people, we we don't understand the nature of certain people when warfare breaks out and it's a hot war.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you have this complexion and you are and we are essentially behind enemy lines.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not suggesting for one second that there aren't good people with another complexion.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: But what I am saying is that if that's what we're relying on for our security and our safety, and not realizing that our security and safety will be in us in our numbers, uniting and doing something for ourselves, having our own agenda or plan in terms of how we're gonna safeguard our families and our resources or our property or whatever the case may be, you know, um, then that's a mistake on our part to think that when war breaks out, that we're gonna be able to call on the next door neighbor who is of a different culture, a different dispensation, a different colour, and that they're gonna be sympathetic to us.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, it just does not work like that.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, um I I would suggest to anybody if you have family in on the African continent, you should rekindle your relationships with your family on the African continent.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure that you have somewhere to go.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you have family in the Caribbean, make sure that you make those connections strong and firm so that if you need to go, you can go.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, because um the third world war is not a myth.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to happen.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, unfortunately, we live in a country where of the 193 countries on the planet affiliated to the United Nations, 193 countries recognized by the United Nations.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: This country where you and I currently live has been to war with 177 of them already.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the troublemaker on the planet?
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do the maps.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Just think about it.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the point is.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: See, see, because we we get in all this news about, you know, this one and this country, and they're so they're terrible.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: But hold on a minute.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Who is it that boasted that you ruled three-quarters of the planet and you said that the sun would never set on your empire?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now all you got left is the Shepherd's Bush Empire and the Hackney Empire.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's another story.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: But but but the point the point the point is that um it's serious business when it comes to war.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: And right now they're poking the bear.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the bear doesn't play.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: You need to study Russian history, you see that these people don't lose wars.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: And these people in the Second World War, I think maybe the Chinese maybe lost it more, but they lost some people say 20 million, others say nearer to 30 million.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: That the Russians lost in the Second World War.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they're still here.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, so, and by the way, in 1884, 1885, when the Europeans decided to carve up Africa, like it was a cake that they dished out among themselves.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: The Russians didn't take any part in that.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Russia said we don't want to know about doing that.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: And um, when you study Russian history, you'll see people like uh Pushkin, you'll see, and you'll see that he was black, and you'll see that he's called the father of Russian literature.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we just gotta, oh yeah, we gotta understand the connections.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, there's white Russians, but there's a lot of other Russians as well.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: And they don't look white.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: And uh many of them uh look oriental, and many of them are, you know, a different kind of people.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: So just bear that in mind because some of us we buy into all the propaganda, and you know, before you know it, we're we're talking like we're with a union jack kind of plastered to our head or something like that, and it's uh it's uh it's nonsensical.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: We we we gotta understand that we're a very special, very unique people.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: We are the original people.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Wherever you find anywhere on this planet, we're original there.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: According to Tacticus, who was a Roman historian, he said when they when they came to Britain back in the day, the Romans, they found people with swathy skin and curly hair.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: And even their own anthropologists have now unearthed some skeleton that they call um Cheddar Man, who they say had black skin, and but somehow they give him blue eyes.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's uh it's a bit of an oxymoron, but anyway.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: The point I'm trying to make is that you know, Stonehenge, they don't know how that was built.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: But we know how it was built.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we are the original people.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Wherever you go on planet Earth, we are original.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: The the British royal family could not claim royalty unless they're taking that royal life.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: From the original black royal line.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Emperor Aile Selassie can trace his lineage all the way back to David's throne.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: We are those people.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: We are that man, we are that woman.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: We are the mothers and fathers of civilization.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: No people could be on this planet if they didn't come via the womb of the black woman and the seed of the black man.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's who we are.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: And black people need to know this because it would give us a much better outlook, the way we view ourselves.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: And when people start telling you nonsense about go back to where you come from, you can ask them, well, where did you come from?
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, our antecedents on this planet.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Sister, there's no scientist, no anthropologist, nobody can give you a birth record for black people on the planet.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: When the planet came, we came with it.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: When the sun came, we came with it.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: We are ancient.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, in the scripture, we're called the ancient of days.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: But it also explains why people keep coming for us.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_06: Even the most peaceful, mind-your business people on this planet.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_06: And it's like it's you know what it feels like?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_06: I was thinking about it the other day.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_06: It's like with the eldest child.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_06: And you've got the youngest child, it just keeps coming for you.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_06: And you're like, what is your problem?
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just trying to live.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_06: And they just keep keep buffering.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: And do you know, do you know what the do you know what the principal motivation behind these is what we suffer?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's called envy and jealousy.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: You see, believe me, sister, you've got something that they haven't got.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: We've got something that they haven't got.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: And envy is a thing like this.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Jealousy, by the way, is not it's not such a bad thing.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, jealousy, the scripture, God says I'm a jealous God.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: And what that means is, as a man, I I have a wife.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see another man with his arm around my wife.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's my wife.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Keep your hands to yourself.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's jealousy.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's it's it's a natural thing.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want your little child, you're the father, and you've got your little child, and some other man is hugging up it, and your child is hugging up this man, and he's like, you're thinking, well, no, that's my child.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's jealousy.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Envy is a completely different ball game.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Envy is when you say to me, Oh, Brother Leo, I'm I'm off to Jamaica next week.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I say to you with a big smile, Oh, that's so nice and cellys.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: But in my heart, I'm saying, why is she going to Jamaica and nothing?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: And secretly I want to kill you to take your tickets.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's envy.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's one of the most ugliest characteristics of a human being.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, a lot of people who hate us, it's because they envy us.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: They wish they had this.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have to shield from the sun.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: We have a relationship with the sun.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: The sun is our friend.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's why when it comes out, you feel energized and you go out and you're, and other people say, but it's so hot.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's a totally different reality.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to go and get no factor 15 to cover yourself in.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so envy is the mother of murder.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the Honourable Minister Louis Fire Khan teaches us.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of black people make the mistake of buying into the stereotype that has been made of us.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: That we are monkeys, that we got, you know, we're ugly, that we're terrible people, and so we're constantly trying to say, no, look, I'm good, I'm like you, but you're not like them.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're in fact better.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're none of those things.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like even they say, you know, back in the day they just call us monkeys.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: But next time you get an opportunity, have a good look at a chimp.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because he ain't got lips like this.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: His lips are thin.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you shave him down, the skin is not black, it's white.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's not us who caught in the phrase, well, I'll be a monkey's uncle.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you you might be.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_06: But also just to tie into some people's philosophy of how they come about when they're trying to say people have evolved from monkeys.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like, exactly.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_05: That doesn't exactly acrostable for everyone.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like speak for yourself.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're we're we're we're we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna go with the scriptures.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: The scripture says, God says, let us make man in our image and after our likeness.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: We we our resemblance is to God.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: You can choose to evolve from a monkey if you want, but don't involve me in that.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_06: Don't involve us, that's okay.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh, my best friend is God.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: G-O-D.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: Your best friend is the dog.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's I'm not I'm not making nothing up.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is what they say.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: The dog is their best friend.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: D-O-G is the opposite to G-O-D.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Complete, and they and they wear a dog collar.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's stuff.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is deep.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: But that's just not us.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: We we are the people of God.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: We are a very, very special, very beautiful people, sister.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: We are very blessed.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: We are a people who have been through the most hellish existence known to humanity.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: There is no people in the analys of history who have had to endure what you and I and our through our ancestors have had to endure.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: But look at us today.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: After all of that, this is it, and we're still here, we're still thriving, we're still on a level.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful, and some people they can't take that because their idea was that we wouldn't be here today.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so we have a saying, I didn't coin it, I heard it one day, I love it.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: It says, we don't die, we multiply.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_06: 100%.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_06: I love that.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_06: But you know what?
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_06: That just triggered something in my mind, you know, because like as you know, I've just come back from the States a few weeks ago.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_06: To add on to what was just saying, so I'm like, in terms of certain things, behaviors that you've just shared, I'm like, these behaviors need to be called out on mental health because for you to keep attacking people who are minding their own business, just trying to live.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_06: Something wrong with you.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_06: The fact that there's places called Sundown Town blows my mind.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_06: How wicked and nasty and atrocious as beings are you to set up like I could be going on and then and then and then we know all the brutality that's going on, your police brutality and whatever, that you're targeting certain people, how the world setup is against a certain people who have not done anything to you.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's right.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_06: You people have mental health issues, yes, and why is nobody calling it out?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_06: You're not a normal person to keep coming for someone to be targeting like young children in the street, oh, because they're black, they're this, that, and the other, and you're supposed to be people of authority with police and whatnot.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_06: You got people now who have a name called Karens, yes, the Karen.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_06: Out here targeting people again, and the list goes on.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like, you're not right.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the problem though.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is the problem.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: The problem is that for you and I, you know, we hear this talk that the system is broken.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: So what the implication is that the system can be fixed, and we hear the talk like, well, it's institutional racism, it's a system.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: And again, the talk is as if the system is some thing that just no one can find.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: But when you see a spider's web, that's a system.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: And you know that that system could not exist unless it came out of a spider.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: So the system of white supremacy, racism, misogyny, and all of these things that the world currently suffers from is as a result of a certain people who have manifested these things.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: And what we've got to understand about that is that we're actually making a mistake a lot of the times as black people, because what we do is we try to view them through our lens.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: We expect them to behave as we do.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_01: Look, you've got a species of dogs.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: You are not gonna see a blind man walking down the road with his guide dog as a Doberman pincer or a rottweiler.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: They don't use that type of dog to guide the blind.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: They use a labrador.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: The labrador has a particular temperament.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: All human beings are not the same.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_06: And that's okay, because when people try and be like, oh, we're all the same.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_06: No, we're not.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_06: And it's okay that we're all different beautiful.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: The roses in the garden are not the same as tulips.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: And roses, is it roses that have got some really sharp thorns?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and you don't play around when you're picking roses, man.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: You you can hurt yourself.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so you have these different types of human beings.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the mistake that we make is thinking that all human beings are the same.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: The goat and the sheep, they're from the same family, but they're different species.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: The goat will headbutt everything, he'll eat anything, he's crazy.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: The sheep is very humble and will obey the sheepdog and will obey the shepherd.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: As human beings, we're like that.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: You can't find a gun or a knife or a bomb with a black man's name on it.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was never our motivation.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: We're not called Uzi.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're not called Smith and West.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, while I'm at it, we're not called Ray and his nephew either.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_06: Mm-hmm.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_06: True.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, a lot of black people think that's our thing.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: Ray and his nephew don't even drink.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: They just make it for you.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's another story.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: Give you the poison.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Captain Morgan wasn't black.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, my point is that we have to understand that Karen and all the rest of them, they're operating according to their nature.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: The nature I was reading one time a litany of um insurance claims for car after car accidents.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: And there were things like I was driving down the road and this tree jumped out in front of me.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: Stupidness.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right, but people do mental gymnastics to try to get a claim into a wow.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: And they they literally wrote that.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, and I know that the nature of a tree is to stay where it's planted.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: Trees don't move.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: You go and crash into the tree, the tree don't move.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: Understand nature.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: The nature of certain people is what it is.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they can't help it because it's their nature.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: So you talk about sundown towns.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right now in South Africa, you've got a whole town that's whites only in South Africa.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: And they're trying to get more.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: And in Israel, they do that.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: The way they're trying to have this ethno-state where it's just one set of people.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: And even though at some point they brought in some Ethiopian, so-called Ethiopian Jews, the Ethiopian Jews were being discriminated against and treated like dogs.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the women were being sterilized against their will and against their knowledge.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they're supposed to be all Jews.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: But but but but the mentality is called white supremacy.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: And they feel that they are privileged or that they are chosen or that they are the best and that they're the only people who have a right to exist on a certain level, and everybody else must be beneath them.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't acquiesce to that, then you are a troublemaker.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're a terrorist.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: You are a problem.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: There was a video I watched, and there were these white people who lived in a particular area, and a brother was driving past an Alexis, and the white man was angry.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: He was saying, How come he's driving a man's mind is beach, you know, just driving down the road.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_06: Mental health issues.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: And and it is, it is a form of madness.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: But what you what but the mistake we make is thinking that we can change them.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: You can't.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: We have to deal.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: And and even in the 60s, people like our great brother Martin Luther King, he was under the impression that you could love white people interchanging.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: You can't.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: You can't.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can't hate them interchanging, and you can't love them interchanging.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: They are who they are and they are gonna do what they do.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: 193 countries, 177 of them they've made it already made war with.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they do.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: So what we've got to do is come to terms with the reality and the fact of who they are, what we're dealing with, and then you then you don't you don't have the stress any longer because you now know what you're dealing with.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's only when we are ignorant of the nature and the character that we think, oh, wow, why is that?
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's a wonderful prayer.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I could recite it verbatim.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I should be able to.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I used to, but I've kind of slipped.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's called the Serenity Prayer.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: So beautiful.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: So beautiful.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: I would encourage people to Google it, Serenity.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because it essentially it says, you know, thank you, God, for allowing me to um be able to control what I can control.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_01: And to not try to control what I can't control.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because there are certain things that are outside the realm of our control.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, and then it says, and thank you, thank you for allowing me to know the difference.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because there are some things that we should try to interfere in, and there are some things you just leave it alone.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it alone.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's in the realm and in the hands of God.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna take care of that.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, finally, just for those people who think, oh man, these people they get away with all of this, they do this, they do this evil, and oh my god, when is when are they gonna get just be patient?
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_06: My thing is I you you know when you just get tired of defending yourself, because I like if someone wants to be wicked and evil, be wicked and evil with yourself.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_06: Like, why do you keep coming and mothering us?
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: Can I read can I read you the serenity prayer?
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: I got it now.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's um angel, angelic helpers that you can't see on the camera.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: It says, God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: Courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's often used in you know recovering people uh wanting to recover their spirituality.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: Just think about those words.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: Courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Say, for instance, you got women and men, you got men who think they can change their partners.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: Can't change them.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean they start the relationship on that basis.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I like him, but but I don't like certain things about him, but I'm gonna change him.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: Or I like her, but I don't like certain things, but I'll change her.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's that's that's almost supreme arrogance.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: You can only change yourself.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: The other person may change.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: You may be able to influence them by your good example, but the idea that you're gonna be able to manipulate and maneuver and change somebody's character or personality, ooh, I take myself completely out of that realm.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: See, because again, that's what I'm saying when I talk about humility.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_01: We must be humble enough to recognize that you know we're not we're not the author.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: God is the author.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: God has control over everything.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do anything, sister.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't eat without praying, I don't drive without praying, I don't fly without praying, I don't leave my house or enter my house without praying, to the best of my ability.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's that important.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know that I'm not in charge as such.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_01: Except being in charge of me.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: And even then I call on the creator for his assistance, his guidance, his help.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: Before we started the interview, I did a silent prayer because I need his help.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_01: And and and if if anything I'm saying today sounds like it's profound or sounds like it's helpful or sounds like it's sensible, it's because I have profound, sensible, powerful teachers.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what we need around here.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_06: Unsense and falls right in line with the brand.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_06: I love it.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_06: So I was gonna touch on your your time in TV for a bit, specifically when you was um on The Real McCoy, um, but not so much the beautiful acting that you did.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_06: And um, I want to more so speak about the writing because that's uh you did some powerful writing, and I want to say thank you for that.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_06: Because it's it's it's people people don't even know how much your writing has contributed to their life and and changed their life.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_06: I want briefly, can you touch on because I know the original writers, you weren't an original writer, no, but I let you tell the story of what happened.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, so so the producer, one of the main producers of Daryl McCoy was a gentleman by the name of Charlie Hansen, and he was behind things like Desmond's the program before.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I remember in our first interview conversation when they head-hunted me from the stand-up comedy circuit, and they asked me to come into the BBC for a meeting.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: I went and met with them.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I remember asking the question because they were pitching this idea of a black comedy sketch show.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Okay, so what what idea have you got for the name?
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_01: And Charlie Hansen said, um, flick.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: I said, flick, what do you mean flick?
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: He said, you know, black people who do that.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, my God, come on, man.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: And and at the time I was studying um black inventors.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was studying specifically uh Elijah McCoy.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: And Elijah McCoy is the man who is responsible for something called a drip cup, which enables engines to be continuously oiled whilst they're running.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: Before that invention, engines had to be turned off and oiled, and so they would be losing production and things like that because you'd turn the thing off to oil it.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: But now, with the drip cup, it's continuously oiled whilst uh it's running.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: So, and he invented so many fantastic things, lubricants and all kinds of stuff, that whenever anybody wanted uh his stuff, they would ask, Is it the real McCoy?
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where the term comes from.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I suggested to the BBC, what about the real McCoy?
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: So they they sort of hummed and awed for a while, they went away.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was about three weeks later they came back and said, We're gonna go with the real McCoy.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how he got its got its name.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then I I I said, Um, if I'm gonna be a part of the cast, uh I'd like to write.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: And they said, Yeah, yeah, no problem.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: You can write whatever, you know, they'd commission me and then I'd get paid for writing as well.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, okay.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I began writing.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because what it was, um, my mum said to me that when I was a child and I would do naughty things and they were about to beat me, because in Jamaica we get beaten, right?
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they were about to beat me.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: She said I would put both hands in the air like this and say, Let me explain.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah?
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because I had lyrics as a child, I could always talk.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: And as I grew up, and especially as I was coming out of my sort of ignorance stage, that mad stage that I went through, I knew that I wanted to express myself.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: But I didn't quite know what I wanted to say.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: And for instance, when I first began doing stand-up comedy, I had a little mustache like Eddie Murphy.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: I had hair in those days, I had hair.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I looked a little bit like Eddie.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I was trying all the Eddie Murphy stuff, all the cursing and all this kind of stuff.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: And my dad, I was running a I was running my own venue on Brixton Hill called the Lad Connection, LAD Live and Direct.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I had and this is where I cut my teeth as a comedian because I had to come up with new material every single week, and it was a real fantastic learning curve.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: But one night my dad came and I was on the stage and I was swearing, and my dad walked out.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: That was the last time I swore on stage.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: But it what happened was that there was a shift in that I I started to find my voice.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I realized, nah, that that's not for me, the swearing, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: And KRS1, he coined the phrase edutainment.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so what I did was I employed that now in my comedy.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: So now I would make you laugh, but I would make you nod at the same time.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, that's true.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to talk about black issues or whatever.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the when when we first started the Real McCoy, Lenny Henry, he was very helpful to us.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_01: Very beautiful.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: He was he really uh tried to assist behind the scenes.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and when we went to the BBC, the only wigs they had were Lenny Henry wigs for black people.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't know nothing about black makeup or nothing like that.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: They had to create a whole new department to create black makeup for the artist and whatever.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I remember Lenny took us to some clubs up north to perform or whatever, and um I remember after one of my performances, he said to me, Oh Leo, you know, the the black stuff, maybe try and hold it down a bit, whatever.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I didn't take any notice of that.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh because I was finding my voice.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and essentially a lot of what I was talking about was to do with us as a people.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so I called it edutainment.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so then when we went to the BBC now for the real McCoy, I realized that well, I could write and put the edutainment in the sketches on the real McCoy.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I began to do.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it was it was a it was a real battle, it was a battle royal though, because literally I would have to write maybe 35 sketches to get 10 or 15 of them filmed.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm telling you, even after they would film some sketches, and and I was like a fan of the real McCoy, even though I'm I'm acting in it, writing, when we would finish a series, six episodes was a series, when we would finish a series, I would be like everybody else.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'd run home, you know, waiting to see the real McCoy.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because I want to see if some of those things that we wrote and put that they made it, and I'll be shocked because some of the things, I mean, sketches that they filmed weren't in it.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so when when we would go back for the next series, I'd say, Oh, you know, to the producers, what happened to that sketch?
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, Leo, we couldn't couldn't fit it in.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: Ended up on the cutting room floor.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: I said, My God, these people, but it was a bat.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, by the grace and mercy of God, I managed to get a lot of sketches in, yeah, but a lot didn't make it.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, really heavy stuff that I was writing, but but always with the humour.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: I managed to blend those two things.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: Initially, I it was a little bit difficult, it's you're doing stand-up or whatever, but then when I when I began, I heard the Honourable Minister Louis Farcan explain one day how comedy is medicine.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: It is, you know what I mean?
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_01: And and the necessity for it, and when I understood it like that, and then uh marrying it with the I was able to marry it with consciousness, yes, and it wasn't a problem anymore.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_06: You captured how powerful and important your position was and your role was, and that was amazing, but I often say that people who are in entertainment, specifically musicians, and as you say, comedians, and also people doing the writers and and and some actors who want to take that call as well.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_06: You guys, you have I feel like you have one of the most powerful tools ever, especially especially musicians, because outside of watching, you're listening to musicians, you're driving, you don't have to watch and you're listening, you know, and I I feel like there's not enough people who actually realize their power they have of influence.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, and the ones who do, unfortunately, there's only a few, there's a small percentage who are using it for good.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_03: Only a few, yes.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_06: There's more people using it for nonsense and foolishness, and I'm like, do you know the power and the tool that you have to make change as well?
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, sister.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_06: But it's the it's the I guess it's stepping out and having courage.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_06: And not being so people are being bought out, aren't they, these days selling out for the cash.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, listen to what the Honourable Minister Lewis Farrakhan said to when he spoke to musicians, the rappers.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because the minister's done many summits where he's been speaking to the rappers.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, people like Snoop Dogg and Two Chains and all of these rappers.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: And um the minister said, and I mean I I I sort of this I sort of disagree with the minister in in this sense, in the sense that the minister said to the rappers, one of your songs is more powerful.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember the number that you used, but maybe ten of my speeches out of there.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: No way, because the minister's speeches, but but I understood what the minister meant.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because, like you said, sister, one, you got the beat that's driving the lyrics.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Then you go to these concerts, you see the people, they they know this, they know every word of the song.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're singing it because it becomes a um a mantra, a chant, and it goes in, it permeates their being.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, you're absolutely right.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very, very powerful genre, it's a very powerful medium, and you know, it's it's unfortunate that not enough of the musicians and understand that and would use, but but then they're they're they're also up against tremendous pressures by these music executives who have got their own agendas.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: And like, for instance, with Michael Jackson.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Jackson, I mean, they tried, they, they, they eventually they killed the brother, but they they really, you know, Michael came out and said, you know, um, this guy is a devil, you know, the the exec over Sony music.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, they have an inordinate amount of power over the output that a lot of the artists put out.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: And uh unfortunately for a lot of the artists, they take the money and and then they compromise their artistry, and they, you know.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the Honourable Minister Louis Farcan has been working on them and trying to teach them that, you know, use your platform for good, use it for, you know, raising our people, you see, because that's the the medium is powerful, and the ministers explain to them that you are literally leaders.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: You're leaders, whether you know it or not, and the the the youth follow the music artist, and um um we have some, but like I said, but not enough.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you have one like say, I don't know, Kanye West or something like that, just you know, partially kind of conscious on a level, but then they they destroy them.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: They, you know, they they do all kinds of stuff.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um look at what Kanye has had to go through, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because because of of a of a degree or a level of consciousness, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a very um so so essentially what needs to happen is that again we need to when when I was at the BBC, what I recognized was um we've got directors who are black.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_01: We've got sound engineers who are black, we've got um lighting who are black, we we've got everybody.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_01: We we they're all there, but they're working on birds of a feather behind the scenes.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: They're working on, I don't know, I think Bruce Foresight is dead now.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_01: I remember he was he was we were filming an episode of The Real McCoy, and Bruce Foresight came and he stood next to me.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: We were watching a sketch being filmed.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't in that sketch, and he's and he said to me, he said, I would pay money for an audience like this.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because their audiences, they've they've still got the idiot cards that they have to hold up.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_01: All this kind of real McCoy audience was off the chain of it live.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_01: We did film live in front of a studio audience, and uh sometimes we would have to come out as artists in between sketches and say, hold it down, just just let let's get through.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like when my character, the character I created called Mr.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Fraser.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_01: He by the way, Mr.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Fraser was um, he was an alter ego.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually a very serious brother, believe me.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm, you know, people come up to me in the street and they they expect me to make them laugh or whatever, and they're really shocked when they meet me, and I'm quite a serious character.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_05: Mr.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_05: Fraser was a classic character, but Mr.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Fraser allowed me, he allowed me to be so silly, yeah, to be so mad.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: You understand what I'm saying?
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Once those teeth went in and those shoes went on, and they it was no longer Brother Leo.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Brother Leo was gone.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Even now when I was doing him live on stage and I'd be backstage at the Hackney Empire and the other artists, whatever, and I've got my I've got Mr.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Fraser on now, ready to go.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people would come and start trying to talk to me, and they did and they wouldn't, I could see they were confused that I would not respond as me.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because once that uniform went on, I was no longer there.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I loved it.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it, it was a great um way for me to just release.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Cuz because like I said, my life is quite intense being in the public eye as a member of the nation, whatever.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_01: The News of the World newspaper called me on one occasion Britain's Prophet of Hate.
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and we we the government don't like us.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm one of the Windrush children um who lived in this country for over 50 years and been denied a British passport.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_01: I only got it after the scandal broke.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then I got my some lawyers on it.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's only then did I get the after the scandal broke.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: But but everywhere I went on the planet, I went on a Jamaican passport.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And uh because they refused to give me uh uh a British passport.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm one of those Windrush children who had to uh suffer that.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_01: But but praise be to Allah.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, sister, it was such a uh a wonderful thing being able to write sketches that had a message.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_06: You're but you had some deep messages.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_06: I learned a lot from you.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and um people were very appreciative.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: We'd get a lot of really positive feedback, and and also they had the real McCoy on BBC 2, and the rule was that when you were on BBC Two, if you got more than two million views, it would automatically, the BBC would automatically plunge money into the show and it would go to BBC One.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Never happened with the real McCoy, despite getting unprecedented viewership.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then what they would do, even on one occasion, people knew what time the real McCoy started on the TV, 10.30 or something like that at night.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_01: They put it on late at night, and then they changed the time slot during the middle of a run.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_01: So people are expecting it to be on at 10:30, but it was on at 11 or something like that.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_01: But they would do all kinds of stuff.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of sabotage, there was a lot of things that were going on, and it and it appeared that there was an argument going on at the BBC between the higher-ups, the execs at the top, and those white people who were working on the ground with us, so to speak.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_01: So Charlie Hansen and some of the some of the other producers who were white, they were very much pushing the for the real McCoy to be what we, the artists and the writers, wanted it to be.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: But the execs, they were very nervous because I think when they wanted to fill a slot on their programming with a show, I think they just wanted some chimpanzee stuff.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think they wanted black people to be scratching where we didn't itch and all of that.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: But but because of the complexion of the show, they were shocked because we were changing it up, man, and it was this thing was becoming a phenomenon.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: So so they were like, what is this?
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is not what we commissioned.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so there was a fight going on, hence why, after the fifth series, five years we were on, they suddenly pulled it.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then when the questions were being asked of the BBC, why did it, where is the they couldn't give a definitive answer because they couldn't tell the truth that it was pure politics.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: So then they lied, they said, Oh, they'd lost the films.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh at one stage we heard that a Caribbean, I'm not sure which Caribbean country it was, but we heard that one Caribbean country wanted to buy the whole series, okay, and apparently they priced it so high that the country said we can't afford it.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_01: It did.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and um then they said they couldn't find the show, then they it was all kinds of excuses.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_01: The voice newspaper did a campaign, bring back the real McCoy.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: New Nation did something, bring back the real McCoy.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_01: There were untold questions that were asked, but there were no answers ever given as to why did you take off the most popular, the most successful black comedy sketch show in the history of the UK.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Why did you take that off?
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they could never answer because they couldn't, if they answered truthfully, they would have to say, well, it was just too good.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because everybody is allowed, my dear sister, to talk their truth.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_01: But again, what a lot of us don't understand is that as black people, that's disallowed.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_01: We are not allowed to talk our truth, especially if we're gonna do it in such a way that it's gonna be uplifting to the people.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's not allowed.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you have a situation in the UK now where black men are almost invisible.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_01: In the sense that, you see, you know, the American white man, when he was when he was winning the West, when he went to North America and was displacing the North American Indians, so-called Indians, the Native Americans, when he was displacing them and stealing their land and all the rest of it, that white man had a saying.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_01: A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_01: He was a man.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: He left his woman at home and he went out on the range and he murdered, slaughtered the buffalo, and he did what he had to do to subdue that land and subdue the native people and take it over.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Chinese, they've lifted over a million people out of poverty in the last few years.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_01: They they're the Chinese are now putting to shame the Western world when it comes to their cars and their engineering.
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: And if you see some of the bridges that they built, I mean, the Chinese have taken this thing to a whole different level.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, Chinese men are allowed to be men.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I can go on talking about other men around the world, they're men.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_01: But the black man, in particular the black man in the diaspora, we are not allowed to be men.
• 1:22:01
  SPEAKER_01: We can play football, we can do a bit of boxing for them or whatever, we can sing, we can dance.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're allowed to do those things, but don't get out of your place and now start to talk with a man's voice in relation to your people and who you are, and you know, Lewis Hamilton dared to say something innocuous, and somebody on the one white man on the radio said he needs to stay in his lane.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_01: When he talked about he dared to mention something about Africa.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And and it goes on.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_01: And and and you name it, sister, I'm telling you, there is a um a demasculation process that has been in place when it comes to the black man in the Western world in the UK.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, many of us have fallen for it.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Many of us have adopted this mentality that we're gonna go along to get along and make ourselves small.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: And in fact, talking about staying small, I I watched a documentary on one occasion when they they did that.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_01: They were um showing black men uh who got in a lift with a white woman, and the black man was like six foot three, and she was just a small woman, and but how the brother tried to make himself small, not to be intimidated.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I can remember even myself being a young brother walking in Clapham in South London, and a white woman was on the same side of the road, and I was walking down behind her, and I crossed over just to stop her from feeling uncomfortable.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that's how that's how we that's how we've been psychologically conditioned to make ourselves less in order not to make anybody feel intimidated.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that's wrong.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_01: We we must be a man.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_01: We must be, and and then you know, you got this language now in the modern parlance of toxic masculinity.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_01: If men try to be men and and and have a manly expression and manly ideas or whatever.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't necessarily agree with Andrew Tate and these people in their their misogynistic, nasty expressions about women.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, we don't, we we we shouldn't even use a swear word.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_01: You see, uh the woman is the mother of civilization.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_01: She is to be respected.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_01: We're taught in the nation of Islam that no nation can rise any higher than its woman.
• 1:24:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're taught in the nation of Islam, if there was no God for us to worship, we would have to worship you.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's how important you are.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, this idea that being a man and trying to be strong and and and masculine somehow is something negative.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:24:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when when you meet another man and you give him a proper handshake and you you squeeze hard.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you're supposed to handshake, you don't mess about all this tipped, effeminate type of expression now that passive.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'm I'm very upset with a lot of our young people who have taken on this kind of weak persona.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Were you at you were at the the Science of Reggae?
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw what I did on the stage.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see what I did when I came out with my trousers down?
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_01: I did, yeah.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_01: And did you hear what I said?
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do we appreciate the the psychology that has gone into that type of marketing and campaigning to get us to believe that that's a good look?
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_06: But isn't well just to add to what you're saying though, isn't that um social social engineering because correct me if I'm wrong, I think this was mentioned on that at that same event in terms of even the powerful music that used to uplift us, specifically reggae.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_06: Hence where they had to go and murder Bob Marley and whatever.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_06: Wasn't the CIA involved in actually switching the music from groups and culture and powerful to dance or to to dance or and all the derogatory things?
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it was reggae at the time, yeah, to things that are derogatory, yeah.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_06: And just low low vibration, yeah, basically.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_06: That was actually implemented, and unfortunately, our people just run with it instead of thinking about it and then still cultivating the one that was powerful and not lifting.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you you said it earlier on about the power of music.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: But guess who else also understands the power of music?
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_01: The enemy.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_01: The enemy understands the power of music, so they knew that they would have to get in front of it and steer it in a direction that's beneficial to maintaining the status quo, maintaining the stereotypes, and as you said, you know, people run with it because we're not we're not thinking beneath the surface, we're not thinking deep enough about these things.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Who's controlling these things?
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Why are all the executives, you know, these white men, you know, who haven't got a beat in their body, they don't know nothing about music, but yet they're at the top of the industry.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um it, you know, um, again I say, sister, I think I started to say it earlier and I didn't really finish the thought, but we have to take charge.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_01: You see what I mean?
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_01: But it's called Do For Self.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_01: The Honourable Minister Lewis Farcon did a lecture entitled Do for Self or Suffer the Consequences.
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's a song, very popular, beautiful song.
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_01: God helps the child who has his own.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_01: See, each time that we go, could be a negotiation of something, could be we're dealing with powerful people.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_01: If we go to the table and we haven't got nothing, we're going to the table as a beggar.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: You have to go.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: With something you have to have your own.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_01: We have to, as a people, have a collective mentality where we're doing for self.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: We cannot continue in this vein.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the African continent, the vast majority, the vast majority of our leaders there, they've sold out, sister.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: This is, you know, this is reality.
• 1:28:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're in the pay of uh Paris, they're in the pay of Washington, or they're in the pay of Westminster, but they're not acting on behalf of their own population, their own nation in terms of building infrastructure.
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Ibrahim Traorre is and and Asini Goita and those brothers in uh Mali, Niger, and Burkina Faso, these are the only models today on the continent.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's a couple of others who are trying a little thing here and there, but but if you want to see the blueprint for the United States of Africa, then you have to look at the Sahel region and what those three countries have decided to do, where the leadership has decided that we're gonna be men first and foremost.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_01: We want independent, sovereign nations, and we want a united Africa.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it's awesome.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_01: And and the I know that many people in the diaspora are inspired looking at this.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that many, especially the young people on the continent, they're looking, man, and they say, whoa, and they're now looking at these so-called leaders of theirs and saying, Well, hold on a minute.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_01: If this brother could do all of this in two, three years, and you've been in power for 30 years, because you're corrupt and you're up, you know, these guys, you know, they spend more time in Paris, more time in London, more time in Washington and other cities in America than they do in their own country.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Ridiculous.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: They get sick, they go abroad, their children are all in school in different countries, and and when you look at the infrastructure in their countries, terrible roads, terrible pavements, terrible, everything's there's nothing there.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_01: And everything is raw materials shipped out to be processed and manufactured somewhere else and then sent back at exorbitant prices for the African.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's disgusting.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_01: So these things are changing, though.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Slowly, slowly.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, oh yeah, sister.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_01: The future is bright.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: The future is bright.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:30:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's our time as black people.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_01: Believe me, we're living in a we're taught that the prophets of ancient times they prayed and they wished that they could be alive in this day and time.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: You and I are living in a it's a very precarious time, but we're living in a time of transition.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: We're living in a time of change.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, where one world is going down and a new world is coming up.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_06: Give thanks.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_01: But it's the the new world order is not gonna be a makeover of anything that these people have been doing thus far for the last 500 plus years.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's done.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's done, it's finished.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um they're gonna create a lot of mayhem on the planet before it's before it's done and dusted.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_01: They'll go out fighting.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they they they they that's the nature.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_01: They they can't help that.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but they will not succeed in what they desire to do in the way of destruction.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_01: And Bob Marley said it like this: he said, Have no fear for atomic energy, for none of them can stop the time.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_01: The time is the fulfillment of scripture, yeah, it's our time, and doesn't matter what they do, and they're gonna do some horrible stuff, they cannot stop the time.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_01: The time is ordained by God, and it's our time.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_06: And it's so deep and just hurtful that that is the truth for the motherland because I'm like, well, the the first time I went to motherland, I went to Angola, and when I say I left Angola with four full pages of just business ideas.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, exactly.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_06: I was like, Exactly, you're like, what four full pages and I could have gone on, I was just like, okay, at least you got carried away now.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_06: Well, obviously, that's just how my brain works, yes, but at the same time, I'm like, other people see this.
• 1:32:35
  SPEAKER_06: How I worded it was the continent is a blank canvas, and it just needs for us to colour it in.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely, literally, there's opportunity for everything there.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_06: Things that we take for granted here is needed.
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_06: Like choose, pick a country, exactly, literally, yeah, pick a country and just go.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_06: We can invest.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_06: So the fact that we've got so much fools, yeah, still um kissing the feet of whatever's going over here, going on over here in the west is is wild to me, literally, because I'm like, there's a place we literally could just uplift the place.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_06: We could shut off the borders and be like, you know what, we ain't gonna deal with anybody outside of the continent and be nice.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they do.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_06: The rest of the world would fall because the rest of the world pillages from there.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_01: The rest of the world needs Africa.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Africa does not need the rest of the world.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know what you just said though about being in Africa and all those ideas?
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_01: Believe it or not, when I was in America, that happened to me.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you know, in in America, you got all of these black communities.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're genuine black communities.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you I was in New York on one occasion in a place called Crown Heights.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, pinga, I'll pinch it.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and there's like a demarcation line of one road that separates the Jews from the blacks.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it's and it's it's that stark, and it's like nobody crossed.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wow, when I saw in the black community, they got buildings, they got stuff, but then it's like our people, it's like we don't realize what we've got.
• 1:34:04
  SPEAKER_01: We got we got 50 million or so black people in America.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was in Chicago driving in the black community, and it's black.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_01: So so we must have stuff there, but we're just not utilizing it and doing anything with it.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_01: So that I'm just really just saying that just to sort of back up what you're saying in relation to the inspiration that you were getting in Africa.
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I I concur with you, Africa is a whole nother level of that.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, even even more so because of what's in the soil.
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: You see what I mean?
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_01: And and yet our people are not exploiting that.
• 1:34:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I'll tell you something, sister.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, one thing I don't like is like when I've been in the Caribbean and I listen to us who go back to the Caribbean, and we can tell some damn lie.
• 1:34:57
  SPEAKER_01: And when we go to Africa, it's just pure lies.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: See, we we we go and we tell our people how wonderful it is in England, how wonderful it is in America, and we are telling lies.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Big lies.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_01: We don't tell our people about the amount of black people in the mental institutions.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_01: We don't tell our people about the overpopulation of the prison system with our people.
• 1:35:20
  SPEAKER_01: We don't tell our people about the police brutality and all the wickedness and hatred that we have to go through.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is the problem, you see?
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_01: And and I was in Jamaica and I was in a taxi, and we got pulled over by the police, and the police was harassing the little Rasta Dreadlock's brother that was driving me.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I I had my suit in bow tie on, because I was the minister was there as well.
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was one of our conventions that was being held in Jamaica.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I got out of the taxi sister and I confronted the policeman.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_01: I said, What are you doing, brother?
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_01: This brother's trying to earn a living.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you're, and and he was shocked.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Um, yeah, nation of Islam, I'm with Faraka.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my, and the policeman fix up.
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_01: But but but what it is, it's like we it's like we go there, and because this policeman, then he starts telling me about how many come out of England and I'm why I come.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_01: I said, brother, and when I've done with him, when I've done breaking down the litany of madness in this country, I could see him, I could see him thinking like, oh, okay.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: We never know that.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because they think that this is paradise.
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then the same thing in Africa.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was in the Gambia and I was on the beach.
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_01: And these brothers keep coming up.
• 1:36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yo, what's happening, Soul Brothers?
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to sell.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I said, listen, man, I'm not no Soul Brother, yeah?
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I left here around 400 years ago with a chain around my neck.
• 1:36:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've now come back home.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Lord of mercy.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_01: As we talked to them like that, everything switched.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Now they start talking now.
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what we got to do.
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_01: We got to go back to these places and be authentically black people.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of us we go to Africa and we gotta be careful because we go to Africa, but but we're going with black skin, but we got a white mind.
• 1:37:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say that little skin folk a kin folk.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we gotta watch this mind, man.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_01: Honourable Minister Lewis Farrakhan calls us black white people.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we gotta fix up, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta, we better start getting some black consciousness.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:37:23
  SPEAKER_01: You got these black people tell one black man said to me one time, Oh, you're not still talking about that black stuff.
• 1:37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Mr.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_01: What do you what do you think I'm gonna talk about?
• 1:37:31
  SPEAKER_06: Imagine.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_06: Imagine.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_06: I get that all the time.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_06: I move different.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_06: We gotta talk the black stuff.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_06: What else can we talk?
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_06: I'm only qualified on black stuff.
• 1:37:41
  SPEAKER_06: Come on, man.
• 1:37:42
  SPEAKER_06: I'm more qualified on anybody else.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, man.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're so some of us have been so messed up that we think that we can negate our own and somehow we're gonna make progress.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a big mistake.
• 1:37:58
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work, and it's only a matter of time before people get a rude awakening.
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Mike Tyson tried that, it doesn't work.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um OJ Simpson thought he had arrived, but it it doesn't work.
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_01: They all get forced to a wake-up call and then they got to come back home.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of us today, we really think we've arrived.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, we don't have to embrace our own.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_01: We can embrace everybody else, but it's a mistake.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_01: You you've got to first fall in love with your black self.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of black sisters are now with other than our own men, but I would challenge those sisters and just ask them, just ask them.
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Ask him if he loves your black father or he loves your black brother or your black kith and kin, your black roots.
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because, see, a lot of these mixed relationships, and I'm saying it, um I I know on a on a based on the law of averages, natural law, it can work on occasion.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_01: I there's no doubt in my mind that a black man and a white woman could fall in love and they could make it work.
• 1:39:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm pretty sure that can happen.
• 1:39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because at the end of the day, that can happen.
• 1:39:19
  SPEAKER_01: However, when you have over 50% of black men with other women other than black women, that's a problem.
• 1:39:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's not normal.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's not normal.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because 99.9% of Chinese men are with Chinese women.
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:39:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it works.
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_01: You'll have the you'll have the odd one here, Chinese woman or Chinese man with a white and Asian and whatever, that that's all good.
• 1:39:45
  SPEAKER_01: But when you when it's wholesale and the black women never used to be down that road, but now the black women are traveling that same road now.
• 1:39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Where I think the statistic, the last one I saw, was something like 39 or 40% of black women are now with other than their own.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_06: But we're the only race that that's pushed on the people it's promoted on.
• 1:40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, integration.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_06: 100% because I I have these conversations with different people, and I know that I can talk to white colleagues and counterparts and whoever.
• 1:40:16
  SPEAKER_06: It's no way is anyone's granny saying, Oh, you need to go and find a whatever, a person of another race.
• 1:40:23
  SPEAKER_06: As you just rightly said, the Chinese specifically are not encouraged to leave their own.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_06: And another one who's steadfast in what they're doing, the Jewish community not mixing and blending with nobody.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 1:40:36
  SPEAKER_06: We're the only ones where it's like, no, you need to go and go and mix and blend and push.
• 1:40:41
  SPEAKER_06: It's the agendas on us.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and again, it's because of the concept of white supreme right white supremacy, black inferiority.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Both have been pushed.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_01: We have been miseducated to believe that we were found in a jungle with a bone in our nose, swinging through a tree, whatever.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_01: But then you find these savages doing these savage things, but then you bring the savage and you put the savage in your kitchen to cook your food.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: You bring the savage and you put your white baby on the savage breast.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_01: How does that work?
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_01: The reason why you took put us in your kitchen is because we are the cooks.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_01: We know about seasoning, we know about flavors, we know how to cook.
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_01: We are we are past task masters when it comes to culinary, the culinary delights.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_01: The reason you put the baby on our breast is because you know that that's full of absolute energy and positivity that's gonna feed that child so that he can get to 15 years old and then turn around and call that same woman nigger.
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we understand how this works.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_01: And again, you remember this thing about you know the finger pointing, when they're calling us names, they're pointing the finger.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_01: There's always three fingers pointing back.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in fact, if you count the thumb, there's four pointing back because it's projection.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's they know that that's really them.
• 1:42:18
  SPEAKER_01: So every accusation is a confession.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_01: See, when when we're being name-called, it's because they know in truth that's their own reality, that's their own identity.
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's got nothing to do with us.
• 1:42:31
  SPEAKER_01: The mistake we make is when we take it on board.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So, Leo Muhammad, 2026.
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_01: I can walk out into that street now, and you can call me nigger, you can call me coon, you can call me blackie, you can call me Sambo, all day long.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_01: And the most you might get from me is a little smile on my face.
• 1:42:52
  SPEAKER_01: This it's irrelevant.
• 1:42:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's irrelevant.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's irrelevant.
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're far too emotional about things that don't matter.
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've got a bigger fish to fry.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:43:04
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_01: And even with your uh Tommy Robinsons and the other movements and the racists and all of that, whatever, they're they are fodder.
• 1:43:16
  SPEAKER_01: They're being fueled from high places.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_01: We war not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places.
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Tommy Robinson couldn't, he's probably got about four brain cells that are working.
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_01: But if we focus there, we're foolish.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_01: They've been fueled.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_01: These are foot soldiers that have been sent out.
• 1:43:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't have to worry about them, that.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_01: What we have to concern ourselves with is our own lack of knowledge, wisdom, understanding, unity.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's where the power is.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Knowledge is power.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you cannot enslave a man who is wiser than you.
• 1:44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, 100%.
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you know that debt is slavery.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they have so many of us enslaved today because we're taking out these loans, we're living beyond our means, we we think that Louis Vuitton is where it's at.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_01: We we think that the Ferrari or the Bugatti or I mean, you know, honest to God, man.
• 1:44:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think about some of these African leaders flying into Europe, flying into the West in these private jets, and they've got bottles of champagne on the plane that may cost 15 grand or something stupid like that.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_01: And their people are back home starving.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Starving.
• 1:44:53
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think those white people who are entertaining you, who are enabling you to be able to do all of that, put your money in the Swiss accounts and all the rest of it, what do you think they think of you?
• 1:45:05
  SPEAKER_06: And they feel victorious because it's an example of where we've won.
• 1:45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Even even, you know, because we got people in our communities who are sellouts.
• 1:45:15
  SPEAKER_01: We got people in our communities who are traitors.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_01: Speak about it.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_01: We got people in our communities who are so wicked that they will work on behalf of the CIA, work on behalf of the FBI, work on behalf of MI6 and MI5 and these agencies in order to undermine um the growth and development of our people.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_01: But understand this.
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_01: See, that same traitor, do you know who's gonna give you up?
• 1:45:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be the FBI, it's gonna be the CIA, it's gonna be.
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_01: They will tell us eventually who you are.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because they don't see these people think that they're loved by these people.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_01: They because they're giving them a little, some little pennies, some little trinkets, giving them a flat or a house or whatever they give them, and they can go to a country club, maybe they can go and play golf, some crap, they can get a a box in I highbridge stadium to watch Arsenal or whatever, uh a season ticket.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you something, man.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Those people can never trust such people because they know that you're selling out your own.
• 1:46:22
  SPEAKER_01: So how the hell do you think they're gonna trust you?
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's no there's no loyalty in that mix.
• 1:46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, man.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's no honor among thieves.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's only a matter of time before such people get their comeuppance, before such people are exposed.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's not something I would encourage, because you know, now they're really they've really targeted the black communities for uh them to join these agencies, these secret agencies.
• 1:46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah, big time.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're they I think they've got they they've had um full page ads for black people to join the um there's a new police department that they undercover police that they've they've they've got, they also want them to join MI6 and MI5 and all these.
• 1:47:09
  SPEAKER_01: And lots of our people are in there, sis.
• 1:47:10
  SPEAKER_01: They've got dreadlocks, everything.
• 1:47:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're we're we're we're in there.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_01: And and then they send them back into the community to create mayhem where you have meetings where black people are trying to organise things, and then you'll have some idiot who will be there always making a mess, always creating division and arguments or whatever.
• 1:47:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're planted.
• 1:47:29
  SPEAKER_06: It's funny you say that because you know at the last event that I spoke to you at I swear there was two outside.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_06: There was two because I went back to my dad's car and I encountered two young guys, and and and I actually made them subscribe to this um this podcast so they'll see this.
• 1:47:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_06: My spirit says to me, they're ups.
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, I'm telling you.
• 1:47:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's big time in the community, big time, and and again, because we because we underestimate powerful and how beautiful we are, then we don't understand the enemy's.
• 1:48:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let me give you a picture.
• 1:48:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're in a race, the enemy has a Ferrari, it's capable of nearly 200 miles an hour.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_01: The rules of the race is that he's in his Ferrari on the starting line, and basically we've got to go about six miles, and the opponent is a black man.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's had one leg amputated, he's blindfolded, and he's got both arms tied behind his back.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's the race.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_01: Ferrari, nearly capable of 200 miles an hour, and a black man handicapped to that degree.
• 1:48:47
  SPEAKER_01: And guess what?
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_01: He says, ready, set, go, and the other guy flaws it and he's off.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_01: But guess what he's doing as he's flying down the road?
• 1:48:57
  SPEAKER_01: He's looking in his rear view mirror, panicking.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_06: This is it, instead of focused on where you're going and what you're doing, he's still worrying about the other person.
• 1:49:05
  SPEAKER_06: But he's worried because that's the genius of the Batman.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's that handicapped, but this guy's still terrified.
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:49:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because if ever we were to compete on an even playing field, yeah, he doesn't stand a chance.
• 1:49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:49:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's why Venus and Serena ended up having to play each other.
• 1:49:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's why the first black man to get into golf, he didn't hang around in the lower ranks, he went and become the master, Tiger Woods.
• 1:49:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we weren't allowed to box.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_01: But the first black man that they're allowed to challenge for the everyweight championship of the world, Jack Johnson, that was it.
• 1:49:41
  SPEAKER_01: After that, they're looking for a white hope.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime we're allowed to operate on an even playing field, it's over.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_01: And they know this.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_01: So they've always got to have massive advantage.
• 1:49:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so we got our little tiny little group in the black community.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're having our little meetings, and we don't have a clue that sitting in there is an agent of the state.
• 1:50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:50:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's how scared they are.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:50:12
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, this country, it's the most surveilled country on the planet.
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Back in the early 90s, the statistic was that the average Londoner is caught on CCTV three over 300 times a day.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_01: That was in the early 90s.
• 1:50:32
  SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine what it is now?
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_01: I walked into a public bathroom, a public toilet recently, looked up and there was a camera in there.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_06: How does other nation can be?
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_06: My gosh.
• 1:50:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's the word, sister.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Paranoia.
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_06: But when you're wicked, yeah, when you're wicked, you're constantly watching your back here because you know what you've done, and then say you're 12 o'clock soon.
• 1:50:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it works.
• 1:50:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it works.
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_01: So everybody has to be surveilled.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Everything has to be listened to.
• 1:51:04
  SPEAKER_01: These telephones and everything.
• 1:51:06
  SPEAKER_01: They got to have the trackers in, they've got to have all of this stuff because they know that, you know, it's like stolen goods has to be returned.
• 1:51:17
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 1:51:17
  SPEAKER_01: So eventually, um, you know, the real owner shows up.
• 1:51:24
  SPEAKER_01: And um we are the property of God.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're stolen goods.
• 1:51:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they knew that this day was coming and it's arrived.
• 1:51:34
  SPEAKER_01: And um, we have a book in the Nation of Islam, it's called Our Savior has arrived.
• 1:51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's God Almighty.
• 1:51:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's a scripture in the Bible that says God talking to Abraham.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_01: He says, Abraham, know for a surety that your seed will be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and they will serve them and they will afflict them four hundred years.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sister, go anywhere you want on the planet and try to find the history of any people who have ever been in bondage for 400 years.
• 1:52:12
  SPEAKER_01: Does not exist.
• 1:52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Only one set of people, me and you.
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_01: From 1555, his name was John Hawkins.
• 1:52:21
  SPEAKER_01: They they've got him in the in the halls of parliament now.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_01: He was knighted, Sir John Hawkins.
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_01: John Hawkins came on a ship named Jesus in the year 1555 and started taking black people out of Africa.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_01: 1955 was 400 years.
• 1:52:41
  SPEAKER_01: 1955, our young brother Emmett Till was murdered, mutilated, and his mother, what a beautiful, powerful black woman.
• 1:52:54
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Keep the coffin open.
• 1:52:58
  SPEAKER_01: I want the world to see what they did to my baby.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_01: But understand this.
• 1:53:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's the history, that's who we are.
• 1:53:06
  SPEAKER_01: We are the only people who fulfill that scripture.
• 1:53:10
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, when you study the scriptures, you'll find that we fulfill all of them.
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we are from the beginning to the end, we're from Genesis to Revelation, it's talking about us.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, uh, because we've had false spiritual guides, uh, we think it's somebody else.
• 1:53:32
  SPEAKER_01: We think it's some people over in the Middle East or some other people over here, it's our sister.
• 1:53:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's who we are.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, um, we're living in a wonderful time.
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's a wonderful time.
• 1:53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Our ancestors paid a heavy price that you and I could be here today.
• 1:53:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we're not here by accident.
• 1:53:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:53:52
  SPEAKER_01: Everything that you're currently doing, sister, it's really beautiful, and it's it's um, it it will help a lot of people.
• 1:54:01
  SPEAKER_01: And any little bit of contribution that I may have made to what you're trying to do, uh, I'm really grateful for the opportunity.
• 1:54:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a really wonderful, wonderful thing that you're doing.
• 1:54:13
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Praise that.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_06: Do you have any parting words you'd like to share?
• 1:54:20
  SPEAKER_01: Only to say to people that you know you can catch me on um YouTube and on Zoom each and every week, uh, starting on a Thursday at six o'clock.
• 1:54:30
  SPEAKER_01: I have a show called Image A Nation.
• 1:54:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the word image, the letter A, and the word nation.
• 1:54:39
  SPEAKER_01: Image A Nation.
• 1:54:41
  SPEAKER_01: If you put it all together, you might get imagination or something like that.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we on that show, we try to encourage us as a people to re-employ the faculty of our imagination because imagination is absolutely powerful.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_01: We we deal with history, we deal with all of the contemporary things that are going on, we talk about, you know, elements of what we're taught in the nation, similar to our beautiful conversation today.
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, I would encourage you if you can to tune in.
• 1:55:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's myself and my beautiful wife.
• 1:55:13
  SPEAKER_01: We sit down each and every week and we try to share some of the life-giving teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad and especially how it's impacted us.
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because, like I said earlier, we're not what we claim to be.
• 1:55:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're not righteous, we're not good people if we don't want for our brother and sister what we want for ourselves.
• 1:55:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what we try to do on the Imagination Show.
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um, we will be um, we're available for podcasts.
• 1:55:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 1:55:42
  SPEAKER_01: Reach out, man, Brother Leo Mohammed.
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm a servant.
• 1:55:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's my that's my role.
• 1:55:48
  SPEAKER_01: My role is to serve black people primarily.
• 1:55:53
  SPEAKER_01: My role is to serve us specifically and serve humanity more generally.
• 1:55:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's my role.
• 1:56:00
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I see myself like that, and any little thing that I can do to assist, to help.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have a philosophy in life whereby uh my philosophy is if I meet you anywhere, anytime, on the street, anywhere, um, by the time you leave me, if it if we if our encounter was one minute or five minutes, I want you to leave feeling that little bit better than when we first met.
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not feeling depressed or down or, you know, oh my god, what kind of a demon was that?
• 1:56:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, I want you to walk away from me feeling, man, that that was interesting, man.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_01: That brother is different, you know, and that's that's what I want to achieve in my in my life.
• 1:56:41
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh I've still got my comedic bone.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll I went up and down the country in the UK for over 20 25 years making people laugh, using edutainment, and um I haven't I I may go back, I may do some more in the future, but uh that's just it's just natural to me.
• 1:57:03
  SPEAKER_01: I can't help myself.
• 1:57:06
  SPEAKER_06: You're star, man.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_06: Praise, praise before.
• 1:57:09
  SPEAKER_06: Praise be too so much.
• 1:57:10
  SPEAKER_06: I appreciate you.
• 1:57:11
  SPEAKER_06: I appreciate all the work you do, and you truly are a servant for us.
• 1:57:15
  SPEAKER_06: So I thank you on behalf of all the rest of us as well.
• 1:57:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um, we see you.
• 1:57:20
  SPEAKER_01: And and if we can uh help in the future, if you want to do anything, you know, we're on the end of the phone.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 1:57:28
  SPEAKER_01: Praise God, thank you, sister.
• 1:57:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 1:57:32
  SPEAKER_06: Man, another incredible episode.
• 1:57:35
  SPEAKER_06: I I'm I'm lost for words now.
• 1:57:37
  SPEAKER_06: My brain is is buzzing as usual, but in the most inspired way, and I love that.
• 1:57:43
  SPEAKER_06: And um, there's so many more things I wanted to discuss, but we're gonna have to do a part two, three, four, five.
• 1:57:49
  SPEAKER_06: Um, yeah, and I'm just so wonderfully grateful for you, brother Leah.
• 1:57:55
  SPEAKER_06: And um, yeah, as usual, stay blessed.