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You Can’t Niche This – Doron Hanoch on Why Wholeness Isn’t a Lifestyle, It’s Survival · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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  Can you touch your toes?
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  That's actually something I work on often, and it may sound a little weird, but flexibility
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  as we age is hugely important.
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  It really dictates how we age.
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  And I'm so excited to introduce you to my next guest, Durran Hanukk.
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  He is a purpose-driven teacher entrepreneur and leader with over 30 years' experience
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  in yoga, mindfulness, and holistic wellness.
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  We actually met in culinary school, oh my gosh, over 20 years ago, I immediately connected
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  with him.
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  He's got lovely energy, his energy, and his groundedness.
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  It's extremely desirable.
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  He's very infectious.
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  Please join me in welcoming Durran Hanukk on everyday ancestral.
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  Thank you for turning in.
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  I'm really excited to kind of bust some myths open around yoga.
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  I think in general, we hold certain practices, whether any health practice, but we
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  hold some of them at such high levels in that for many, they're very almost unobtainable.
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  They're either unobtainable based on stories we tell ourselves, or they're so accessible
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  that they're watered down.
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  So I'm hoping that we can go into that.
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  But first, before we dive into the myths, why don't we just explore how did you get here?
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  You've been in this field 30 years, have you not?
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  Yeah, more than 30 years now.
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  I would say a bit of a non-conventional journey, because it started, I think, with me as
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  a teenager skipping school and going to the forest, this little bunch of trees in Jerusalem
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  that want to consider themselves as a forest, but they're just a few trees.
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  And I would lay down there, look at the sky, and ask, what the hell, who am I?
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  Why am I here?
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  What's the meaning of all this?
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  And I think people imagine that people ask these things only later on in life.
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  But really, I was 16, and I was curious.
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  And then came the first ball for where I had to serve in the military.
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  And again, it was kind of, why are people fighting?
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  What's the meaning of all this?
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  I don't even know what I'm fighting for.
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  When the alarms would come out, I would just hop on my motorcycle and ride on the highway,
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  seeing scots flying above, and I said, I have to go, I go.
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  But there was something powerful, freeing, about escaping a bit, the fear of death.
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  And then I went to Asia for two years, and that's where I really started to understand yoga
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  and meditation, traveling there, meeting different leaders, different gurus from Osho
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  Dalai Lama Say Baba, you name it.
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  I wanted to get answers.
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  What's the meaning of it all?
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  I did take what we consider today a yoga class.
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  I just thought they were nuts.
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  I was holding warrior one forever.
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  I started shaking, and I'm like, not for me.
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  You guys, I don't know what you're up to.
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  I just finished the military service, and I can't do this.
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  But I knew yoga was just not in my career or my life.
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  But mind training, yes.
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  I realized that unless I train my mind, the body doesn't really matter.
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  I traveled for two years, went back, Israel, Italy, got to New York, where we eventually met,
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  was a photographer, but more than anything, though I did start doing in New York more
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  of the physical yoga.
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  I did keep going with the Tibetan Buddhism, and later on with Zen, to really understand
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  the mind.
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  It was always more of a priority than the physical.
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  Eventually, I realized it's like a car, right?
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  You can have a Lamborghini with a lot of tires, not going to go anywhere.
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  If you have a Lamborghini with a windshield that's all muddy, you'll drive right into
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  a wall.
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  All my life, everybody's like, me, shout, me, shout, I'm like, you can't niche this.
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  You have to work on everything.
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  You have to understand the mind.
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  You have to have a healthy body.
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  You have to eat well.
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  And only when you got the good package, then you have a Ferrari that's going to win the
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  race.
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  Otherwise, you're just going to do a half-ass job.
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  You can't just ignore parts of it.
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  So that was the beginning of my journey.
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  So much when we met you to me really had a, you had a certain energy that I didn't experience
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  in the others in our culinary program.
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  You know, a lot of them were younger than us.
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  They were still finding themselves and you had, you had sort of a resonance of someone
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  who, no, I know who I am, but I'm still learning to expand who I am, but you had a grounding
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  to you.
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  And I just, that always stood out to me.
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  What is yoga to you, actually?
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  Because I think that's even something that's really not that understood.
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  We have this idea.
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  Oh, it's a class and you hear, oh, it's hot yoga.
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  It's this kind of yoga.
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  It's that.
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  And I think inherently, people in America just think, well, it's stretching.
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  What is it to you?
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  So you're absolutely right.
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  I think one of the big missions I have in the world is to try and help people understand
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  what yoga is or how to really benefit from it.
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  So yoga in the traditional way where it started was a mind training.
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  It had almost nothing to do with the body.
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  The body was a vehicle to help train the mind and potentially maybe one of the famous texts
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  from the past was reading yoga as a way to start to control the mind.
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  And some would even say it to master the mind.
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  Anyway, yoga Buddhism Zen were not very different than one another.
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  Yoga does mention the body, but very, very briefly as finding a good, comfortable, steady pose.
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  And that could be that they're talking about a steady pose for meditation, for training
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  the mind for being able to sit, define stillness and an undistracted world of any time,
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  particularly today.
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  But you are right.
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  And that most yoga today, people look at it as the physical.
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  A lot of it is stretching.
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  Some of it are power yoga.
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  People see it as a form of even a bit of cardio stretching mixed with strength.
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  And the few people are still fighting for it to be as the practice of mind mastery.
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  In reality, yoga is all of those things together.
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  Because yoga has most of my students that come to do my teacher training lesson.
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  What is yoga?
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  And they look at me, like, wait, you signed up for a teacher training of what?
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  Of yoga.
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  And you don't know what yoga is.
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  What are you coming to learn to teach?
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  At least know the basic.
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  I'll teach you everything.
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  And the classic answer is yoga is union, great union.
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  So many things are union.
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  What are we united?
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  We're uniting the body and the mind.
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  This is the number one classic answer I get.
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  I have to disagree.
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  How are the mind and body separate?
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  If I am now, I recently had dengue.
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  When I was in dengue, when I was in the state of deep illness, my mind was not functioning.
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  I could not think, I could not open my laptop, I could not write, I was completely off.
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  And the opposite, if my mind is super stressed, super worrying in a place of distress and
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  not feeling comfortable, joyful, happy, my body will get sick.
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  So the mind and the body are so united that this is the number one biggest misunderstanding
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  of what is yoga.
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  Yoga is not uniting the body and mind.
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  It's maybe finding a union that already exists between who we are, me, Doron, the little
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  thinking self and an expanded consciousness.
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  Some people call it God, some people call it the universe, energy, it doesn't really matter.
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  But the understanding is that there is to this world more than just my physical body, my
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  thoughts.
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  And yoga, really, just like then, is the way of training the mind.
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  So that eventually we can transition beyond our thinking mind.
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  The whole body thing, whether hot yoga, cold yoga, freezing yoga, cold bath after sweaty
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  yoga, all of those are fantastic tools to help us train the mind.
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  How long has yoga actually been an existence that we're aware of?
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  Are you aware of that?
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  Beautiful question as well, because it depends what you define yoga.
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  I see yoga, the potentially guy that we consider yoga is around 2000 years, let's say, even
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  then there's argument, who is before this, before Christ, after Christ, I don't really
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  care.
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  I care about the teachings, not how old they are.
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  If there are shitty teachings from 6000 years ago and they say, kill other people,
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  old is not always better, right?
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  Some old is healthy, fermented and some old is rotten.
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  So we have to distinguish that.
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  That's such a great distinction.
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  And even before this potentially, yoga is mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita, which is definitely
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  older.
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  Yoga is mentioned earlier and earlier.
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  However, it's never mentioned as anything physical in no way whatsoever.
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  Potentially, it's the only one that about 2000 years ago mentions the physical, but I
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  would say that's maybe 1% of his teachings.
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  And so we know a yoga from a long time ago is as a mind training as a way to understand
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  this unity.
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  There we know that potentially mentioned some physical.
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  And I won't say that there wasn't physical back then.
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  I would say that it probably because everything was transferred past orally, then there's
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  a very good chance that they didn't need to write the physical because they didn't have
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  graphic designers.
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  They just showed to the student what to do.
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  And then the student did it.
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  We're starting to find the idea of designs of Ozes in the 1400s and 1500s where the
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  Ateogas starting to come to life.
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  And over there, we're starting to understand that there are poses.
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  But as many as we know today or even 10%, most of it is talking about breath control,
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  mantras, different mudras, like hand positions, etc.
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  And mind control as well as some of the physical poses.
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  One would look at them and realize that a lot of them are poses that help the person,
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  the practitioner, it's more comfortably so they can meditate better.
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  So even then, when we're starting to find some more poses, there's definitely no hand
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  stand, which people consider yoga.
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  And I would call it gymnastics and fun to throw it into a yoga class.
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  It's in the 19th century, in the 20th century, I would say that we're starting to see the
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  rise of more physical.
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  It's not that again, it didn't exist, but that it's starting to grow in popularity.
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  And it really started to explode with shibananda with people like Cristina Macharia and eventually
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  that it started to spill over to the West and become one of the fastest growing things
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  in the world, especially the physical, right?
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  I would say 70, 80 years ago, it was very obscure, barely anybody did it today.
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  You don't have to be spiritual in any way and you're practicing these going to yoga class.
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  So, yeah.
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  Look at the kind of popularity of it or the increasing popularity of it.
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  Do you see that as a good thing?
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  Do you see it as taking away from the original purpose?
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  What is one kind of merge or combine the ancestral concept of yoga with our modern lives?
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  I think everything has all different sides, even if it's not what the original intended,
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  as long as it's helping people, bring it on.
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  If they don't know anything about mind training, but they're still getting more flexible,
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  stronger, more awareness about how they're eating, what they're eating, beautiful.
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  A lot of people come to me after they've done big from class, which I would not say anything
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  about it.
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  But I would say that they came from a tradition which I wasn't following and they came and
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  they realized that in my physical yoga classes, I was bringing a lot of, I'd say, breaking
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  cliches, breaking ideas that people have, even not only in yoga, but about their lives,
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  offering people in Silicon Valley that are not capable to look into the eyes of the other
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  person, maybe that they don't know, to be an opposing yoga and they're facing each other
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  and I'm saying, guys, we're going to stay here until you look at each other and give
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  them a smile.
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  And of course, people were freaking out for a moment.
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  But I think these back-to-basics are so essential, especially in this day and age of disconnect,
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  that I find that if we use the tools of yoga correctly, we can definitely bridge tradition
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  into what's happening today and to what is needed today.
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  And what happens in yoga often times is people go to what they feel like, not what they
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  need, which are not the same thing.
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  That makes sense.
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  It makes sense to me.
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  Absolutely.
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  It's one of the big issues I have with some of the younger generations because I feel
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  it mostly from them.
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  They're so involved in the feeling of something versus, well, what is the situation actually
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  need?
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  Sometimes we need to step out of our feelings and just help someone, be of support to whatever
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  the present situation is.
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  Over the years as parents, we have faced younger people who we were either like helping
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  out and letting them live in our house or maybe they were supporting us with childcare
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  or something like that.
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  And we would be, in our judgment, very generous with them.
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  And then when we would ask for support, it was always like, I just need to see how I'm
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  feeling instead of like, oh my God, yeah, you guys are in need.
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  Let me help.
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  You're so right.
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  And I'll mention about the feeling that the problem with feelings is that oftentimes
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  people don't know how to interpret them, meaning the feelings send a message to the
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  minds to the brain and to the mind later on, where it may give an interpretation according
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  to the conditioning, according to what we were brought up with.
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  So I may have this feeling now, not understanding that this feeling is actually caused by something
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  when I was five years old and I'm repeating, reliving the same thing over and over again.
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  And so part of what I consider as yoga, really, if you ask me one word, Doran, can you choose
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  one word that summarizes everything you care about?
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  I would say awareness, if I had to choose to, it would be awareness and service.
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  But the first one would be awareness because without awareness, I'm not going to do service
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  or beneficial service.
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  But if I have awareness, I can be awareness of my emotions and ask, where are they coming
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  from? Are they helpful? And what is motivating me? Am I using these emotions because of my
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  personal desires? Am I using these emotions to avoid pain? These are most of the reasons
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  people do anything. And the emotions kind of give the spice on top of why I'm doing it
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  and oftentimes distract us from what really we want to do. And if you'll give me permission,
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  I'll give something from the food world because we both love the food world. I'd say that
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  a common thing in the yoga world, another little busting myth, people say, listen to your
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  body all the time, listen to your body. It's true. Obviously, listen to your body. You're
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  a dead tire as Huberman or others say, you know, if your grip is feeling like you can't
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  have a grip, you probably need to take a rest day. That's okay. However, I am full of awareness,
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  listening to my body. Most days, if I'm not in this routine and good habits of getting up,
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  drinking water, doing my morning routine, what would happen is I would want to go watch Netflix
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  and eat donuts because a thousand years ago, or maybe a hundred thousand years ago,
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  I had to conserve my energy, not go and run on a treadmill, going nowhere, right? If I ran
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  after a rabbit to hunt, it's great. But otherwise, why run on a treadmill where you're going
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  absolutely nowhere? And I had to conserve my calories because yesterday we had a rabbit,
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  but I don't know when I'm going to eat my next meal. Instinctively, if I really, really listen to
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  my body, I'm going to grow really fat, really big and just watch TV all day long. But if I have
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  awareness that I need to create healthier routines, because what to do? We're learning from
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  our ancestors, but we are not living the life of our ancestors. And if we don't have the wisdom
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  to take the good stuff from the past, but convert it, make it work for today,
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  then we're just going to keep using clichés from the past that don't function anymore.
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  And this goes, for example, for what do I need to eat, right? I understand it comes from the past,
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  but I'm not living in a cave. I'm not suffering from no calories, et cetera, et cetera. And I don't
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  have to run after a rabbit to catch it. We have to have awareness, wisdom, to understand,
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  how can we learn from the past, whether it's food, whether it's the yoga world,
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  whether it's Ayurveda that comes from India and was created a long time ago. And how do we look
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  at it intelligently? And then use it, manifest it today in a way that's practical, that's helpful,
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  that really works for what we need at this day and age.
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  Let's dive even deeper into that. So for those listening or watching, let's assume that most people
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  aren't aware of what they need or the state they're even in. As an expert in awareness and mindfulness,
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  what are one to three things that someone could immediately do post this episode that would help
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  bring them awareness to their physical and mental state? The first thing is to pause.
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  Most of us don't know to stop and people wake up there right at their phone and they just run,
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  run, run, work, run to the gym, run to dinner, et cetera. So there's no time to even develop any
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  awareness. Forget meditation, right? Meditation is lovely. It's beautiful. It's so far off for
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  most human beings that we need to start way, way more babysept. I say the moment you wake up,
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  that's the first step. So you wake up in the morning and you make yourself a new rule,
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  build a new habit that you're staying in bed for two minutes. Most of us can afford two minutes
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  instead of hitting the snooze button just stay there with awareness and see where you are.
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  What happens is most of us will notice some of the dreams we had and realize, wow, I woke up
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  feeling amazing. I woke up having amazing dreams and I'm full of energy for the world,
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  but more often they're not. We will wake up feeling worried, feeling already distracted before we
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  even got out of bed. What do I need to do? What do I not need to do? And if I'm not fully distracted,
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  why don't I bring my phone so I can get quicker distraction? And I would say the first hour
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  even of the morning is so crucial to wake up to put your phone in a drawer somewhere else
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  in the different room, charging. So one can wake up of that two minutes of awareness, right? I feel
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  my body that takes about 30 seconds. I'm aware of my thoughts, my feelings, everything that's going
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  on, maybe another 20 seconds. And then I take a full minute to recalibrate. Recalibrate means
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  for me, because the body and mind are so united, guys watching try this with me,
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  you're going to use your two fingers, bring them to the lips and just stretch them to the ears
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  and then release the hands. Honestly, I know I feel different than 10 seconds ago.
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  That's true. It's weird, but you smile and the whole body bubbles from within. It's like you just
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  drink a bottle of champagne and it's free. So that's what I do. I just start with a smile.
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  I come from a place of gratitude, right? Some people say think three things you're grateful for,
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  think this thing that that's all great. But for me, it's the mind with the mind with the mind.
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  Since we already know how powerful the emotions are, I try to be in the state of gratitude.
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  So how do I feel like this joy for waking up? Forget all this stress, forget all the work.
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  It doesn't matter if you'll become a trillionaire. Stress will be there, work will be there.
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  It never ends. You'll always have to go and poop. Sorry people, even if you were
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  the great princess Diana, she sometimes had the area. These things happen. You cannot avoid them.
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  So start right now with the place of I'm happy. I'm joyful. Joy is better than happy because I
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  think it's more sustainable. Happy goes like a roller coaster. And that's the first set.
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  So you start with awareness. It changes your whole day.
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  A lot to that one more practice and a building on that, maybe every hour, every two hours,
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  every lunch break and dinner break, starting with pauses. That's it. Starting with one minute pause,
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  a 10 second pause, closing the eyes. You don't have to say a prayer for the food.
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  Finding that moment of silence, you'll suddenly feel all the energy of the food.
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  Without the woose stuff, I don't like the woose stuff. You'll just read it. It'll be there.
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  And then when you eat and you taste a pineapple or anything you're putting in your mouth,
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  you'll just be so aware of the flavors of everything. These are easy practices that are fun
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  and help the mind come back to the present moment so we can be less distracted and start to have
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  awareness of what's out of balance. Because really, nothing is the saddest type of thing. All that
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  happens is we're out of balance and we need to come back to balance. Is that simple?
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  I talk about that mindfulness and pause a lot when I'm talking about just ancestral eating and
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  how to get back to listening to the body. We're so confused and today's society about what to eat
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  because we're being manipulated or the foods are triggering cravings that would not normally
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  be there because of all the artificial flavors and whatnot. So I love that. The pause is so
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  important. What is something that you think people misunderstand about what yoga is really meant
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  to do? Now, a little bit what we mentioned before, the people feel yoga well.
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  Guess there's a few different camps. I would say the camp that believes that it's all physical
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  and I'll get stronger or I lose weight because I'm doing a hot yoga and I'm going to sweat it out
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  though later you're going to have to drink that water back in. But anyway, there's the physical
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  camp that says yoga will really get me flexible and strong, which I think it will. And I'm biased,
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  but I would say it's one of the best practices if you do them in sustainable ways, in ways that are
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  not pushing yourself to kill yourself to get the handstand and then have wrist issues for the rest
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  of your life or pushing something in the usungle world. We were, I just followed the sequence and
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  it was a lot of hip openers and events that you sit with the leg behind the head and you're like,
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  and then eventually your leg goes behind the back and you look really freaky, but it doesn't feel
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  freaky. It feels like, okay, but I know for myself, I got so open that my hips, I didn't balance it
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  out with enough strength for my hips. And I had to be what they call the shungle butt syndrome,
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  which was really I started having pain like sciatic pain, which doesn't make sense of somebody
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  as flexible as I was, but I started strengthening myself, walking more, doing hip rotations and I
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  found the balance. So even within the yoga world, I think people need to look within the physical
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  world a lot more at what they're being taught and not to take everything as a word of God,
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  because most of this is still relatively new. And there are a few people, but not enough people
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  that are willing to question what was deemed taught and to say, okay, this was talked now for a
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  few decades. People love it. It does do great stuff. However, is this going to be sustainable?
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  Let's look at people that did a younger, what happens to them at 60, 70 and 80? Let's
• 23:56
  be about diets. Let's see about the body. So for me, I've learned that I loved what I was studying
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  when I was younger, but when I turned 40, I created my own system because I couldn't find something
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  that was wrong enough, physically, opening enough flexibility, and yet sustainable enough that I'm
• 24:15
  not going to burn out. And I can say today, in a week 54, I'm feeling better than I felt when I was
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  27, 100% not just as a gimmick. I really do feel better. Finding the ways that we can do it in
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  the right sustainable way and not just say, oh, I'm big room, I'm standing on my younger.
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  The hell, I'm the Roñoga. All of these are just names. I don't care. What matters is what
• 24:41
  to suspect is stew and does it fit you personally? What are you doing differently? Because I know
• 24:47
  you break many myths around what people associate with yogis, which is one is they think they're all
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  plant-based. There is this kind of visual concept that they're very emaciated and very thin,
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  not very muscular. Obviously, they are toned, but they're not very muscular. Yet we're living in a
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  world where, at least in the circles I'm in, where it's all about, as you get older, you should be
• 25:12
  heavy lifting because the heavy lifting is going to support you from degrading of the muscles,
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  and it's going to help you basically age better because you're stronger and you're harder to kill.
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  But those two seem contrasting. You're absolutely right. And I follow everybody from the
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  Uberman to whoever that are talking about that. For me, the answer is somewhere in the middle.
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  So if I'm going back to what I did physically with my physical practice, and then I'll speak
• 25:38
  about the nutrition food area, I'd say that I realize I do like some strength. So I added almost
• 25:45
  calisthenic work into my physical yoga practice, but instead of rushing it like a lot of people do
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  in whatever practice they're doing, especially in the new modern power yoga, I've slowed it down.
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  You can kind of say I've taken the Asanga mixed it with some touch with some Chigong and Yen, meaning
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  focusing on the transitions. I go to warrior one, I go up to really slow and watch my hands
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  as they go up. So one, I'm building more strength because the slower you go, the more muscles in,
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  you got to hold yourself steady. Two, I'm controlling my breath to become longer as I come up,
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  and three, I'm controlling my mind because I'm holding my gaze steady as I come up, and I'm not
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  looking around, I'm not being distracted. People talk about yoga's body and breath, etc. But most
• 26:34
  classes, they just say, breed sometimes. Hopefully we're breathing all the time. I wouldn't be alive
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  talking to you right now if I wouldn't be breathing. So this is another myth. Oh, Vinyasa's movement
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  with breath. Dude, when I go to the groceries store, I am moving with breath. When I'm playing tennis,
• 26:50
  I'm moving with breath. So the idea is that it has to be a specific movement and a specific breath.
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  Again, going back to awareness, I need to be aware of how I'm moving. So the number one is
• 27:01
  adding awareness to all my movements. Number two, slowing it down. Number three, adding a bit of strength.
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  I'm not doing heavy weight lifting. I think that that is overrated today. I went into that for a bit.
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  I will go to the gym once in a while. But most of our ancestors did quite well with their own
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  body weight, things like yoga, calisthenics, etc. Doing pushups, doing certain things. I feel like
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  we'll build enough weight without me needing to build massive muscles, but I'm definitely strong.
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  And so that's how I build the strength and keeping the flexibility. And that's by holding poses
• 27:38
  longer. So I don't necessarily practice seeing, but in my practice, if I've done yang, I've done
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  something that was arm balances movement, it got my heart rate going. Now I'm going to go and I'm
• 27:49
  going to sit in a pigeon pose and relax there for a while and really let my hips open while having
• 27:55
  awareness of my body, my breath, my mind. And I can both train my mind and I can go back to the yang.
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  So in a way, I'm going from yang, yang, yang, yang, a little bit like life happens, right? We have
• 28:07
  a moment of stress and then we have a moment of... bill out. But instead of having the stress,
• 28:12
  go to burnout and then to just watching TV and eating chips because I'm so burnt out,
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  I'm trying to minimize them and have them small waves. So this way, getting a bit of stress,
• 28:24
  and I can relax and ensure I'm getting a bit of power. And then I relax into the stretch,
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  which normally doesn't happen because people go either all in on bodybuilder, I'm super massive,
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  or buying the feminine. Let's just see in our...
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  Cramed. Why not find the masculine and the feminine both? We have them both. Why not manifest
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  both of them in the best way possible? That's about the body part. And I think really it is
• 28:55
  individual. Some people need to push more in Ayurveda. We have these archetypes and the
• 29:02
  kafa that's more heavy and more wanting to go to the ground needs to throw in another five pushups
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  because they don't feel like it. And then they'll last a lot longer. The vata that's all,
• 29:15
  yay, air, and ether in moving means slow it down. Oftentimes, practicing speaking slower is
• 29:23
  enough. The pita that's like, let's do arm balances and handstands and headstands and go to the gym
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  after need to chill out a bit and say, okay, I've did a strong enough practice. Now let me take
• 29:36
  practices that are cooling me down, softening me. So then I don't wake up at 52 dying and I don't
• 29:42
  know where it even came from because I just pushed my life so strong, but there's no nothing to show
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  for it. So it's really, this is another big, big, big thing I think both in the food world and in
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  the physical world, the people forget my second most important word after awareness is it depends.
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  It depends if you live in a cold climate or a hot climate. It depends if you are physical all day,
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  maybe don't need such a strong practice. If you're sitting in front of the laptop all day,
• 30:13
  it depends what your constitution is. The reason people don't like when I say this because it makes
• 30:18
  a little more complicated to figure out what you really need. But if somebody learns to tune in
• 30:24
  to bind us awareness to understand what they feel like and what they really need, then they can
• 30:30
  honestly be their own doctors and there's enough cultures out there that can help today people
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  find and fine tune this. It is frustrating because I think we live in a world particularly the way
• 30:42
  it's highlighted in social media. We want absolutes like, oh, do this if that. We don't want
• 30:49
  gray areas and like, well, we're all even though Ayurvedic has these three characteristics or
• 30:56
  technically we're all a little bit of two or three of them, right? It's like so in many ways,
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  the human nature is not black or white. It is gray and yet that's still hard for us as humans to
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  really to feel comfort in. Human beings are gray. I love that that is so true and if we could accept
• 31:15
  that. Part of it is the fact that I think today people want quicker fixes and they want you set it
• 31:21
  so nicely, absolutes. But there isn't what I needed at 27 is not what I need today.
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  And the only, since I train teachers, what I really teach my teachers is to have awareness,
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  to look at their students, not to just take a manual and say, okay, I'm going to put this
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  teaching that I learned from a book from wherever and teach everybody the same way.
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  Especially when teacher, when people start working one and one or more particularly with people,
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  I taught private for many years and I would say that even the same student during certain
• 31:54
  periods in their life needed different things because we all have all three of these dochras of these
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  archetypes and yet one is more out of balance. And we always have to realize what's out of balance now,
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  how do we bring it back to balance? And when we can find more or less balance, how do we sustain
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  this balance in the long run so we don't keep dropping out of balance and needing to become back
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  and that becomes exhausting for us, for the mind, for the body. It doesn't last very long.
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  Well, let's talk about how you've balanced your nutrition because I know when we first met,
• 32:29
  you've done pretty much everything. I think you now kind of embody it as flexitarian,
• 32:34
  right? Kind of embodying or encompassing everything you've done or tried.
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  Share what you follow now nutrition wise.
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  I believed that we should do no harm. It's one of the things that yoga teaches.
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  But I went vegan. I went vegetarian. Then I went vegan pretty quick after. I was a nasty vegan,
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  meaning I didn't have all the right knowledge. I would go to the health food store and I would find
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  all these fake things that I really wanted to eat as if I was healthy. But really, I'm eating fake
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  cheese, tofurkey, tofur, all these fake stuff. If somebody's vegan, it's great if they know what
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  they're doing and if they know how to really eat well and it depends on their body type and their
• 33:20
  blood type and so many other things because like I said, it depends. I was suffering. My brother
• 33:28
  at the time turned vegan a little after me. He was in heaven, no problem. I read the book about
• 33:35
  the blood type and I remember Ann Marie Colby saying, yes, no, kind of works. It doesn't always work.
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  I started asking probably way over a thousand people, not a funded study, not any. It's just me
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  out of my own curiosity. This is how I learn more than anything else. And turned out he was blood type A
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  and he was super happy with his veganism and it worked well. According to that diet, if you're
• 33:58
  blood type B, you may need more dairy and eggs and you could be a vegetarian. And if you're
• 34:03
  blood type, oh, you could be with your struggle. And this is not again. This is not 100% proven.
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  It's more complex. But I just, it gave me a bit of answers to realize that yes, I understand that
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  we want to create the least harm in the world. But also just me being alive is harmful to the planet.
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  Nothing to do about it. I'm breathing. I'm walking. Anything I'll do is harmful. So instead of going
• 34:30
  to one extreme, let's say being vegan, but then buying more being consumed by yoga products,
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  which is still bad for the planet, I figured I'll try to find the flexitarian method where I'm
• 34:40
  balanced everywhere. I got at some point I was working as a chef in resident. It was an art
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  residency and they had a position for the chef, which was the best thing in the world. And I could do
• 34:53
  whatever I wanted. So I started doing dinners every day, something else. But the big boss came to
• 34:59
  me and said, Jerome, I need meat. I don't do meat. And it's like, Jerome, I know you do meat.
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  But I went, I bought meat and I cooked meat, but a little bit of a perfectionist, I couldn't serve
• 35:11
  it without tasting. I'm embarrassed to admit how much pleasure I had from the first bite of meat
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  of chicken and fish. And so I started bringing them back in on my new scales. I was still eating
• 35:23
  mostly vegetables, but I started adding it. My body felt stronger, better, healthier. I was doing
• 35:29
  a lot better. Again, I'm not saying this is true for every single person, but it was 100%
• 35:34
  true for me. I was going for a while embarrassed because there's so many clichés your yoga teacher,
• 35:40
  your of course vegan, you of course have tattoos. I don't have even one. You of course have long
• 35:47
  hair, ideally dreadlocks. I don't know where that comes from. Maybe you wear orange. I love orange,
• 35:52
  but I'm not wearing orange. It just goes on and on about all these ideas that are so external.
• 35:59
  Where really yoga is internal. It's what do you do with your mind mastery with the internal
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  mastery of yourself from the inside, not from the outside. It's not even about any pose. Sure,
• 36:09
  I can do pretty much any fancy pose. That's not yoga. That's on Instagram posts, but it's not
• 36:16
  what yoga is. So for me, the journey was thanks to the sky. I kind of started to experiment.
• 36:23
  And I went in all different directions. I tried to do the once a week meat. So on Sundays,
• 36:28
  I would have burgers or something. I owned a retreat center in Guatemala and we grew a lot of
• 36:33
  our food. It was amazing. We were serving vegetarian, meaning all the dairy and eggs were always
• 36:40
  as a separate option. You could add them or not. We did add different things, nutritional yeast,
• 36:45
  and try to balance all the proteins without it. But I was still craving it. So on Sundays,
• 36:51
  I would go and slurge. Now that I'm not necessarily running that center anymore, still own it,
• 36:57
  but I've found that I'm balancing it throughout the week. I've definitely added even a little more
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  than what yogis post to. But what is a yogi anyway? And like I said, I feel stronger and healthier
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  than when I was 27. So it goes back to awareness. It goes back to letting go of dogma, letting go of
• 37:18
  all these rules and trying to be as observist as good people as we can on every single level,
• 37:24
  whether it's using plastic bag, whether it's am I buying a cow, which is creating so much
• 37:30
  waste and so much herbal stuff in most of the world. Some places have healthier a cow's containers.
• 37:35
  But can I do all these things insustainable, but not go fanatic in any one way or another?
• 37:41
  And the same goes for my diet. And by doing that, this is where I call it being flexitarian,
• 37:46
  then I'm being wise about every decision. I'm being conscious right now. I'm looking at the menu
• 37:53
  and their veggie options are so horrendous. Would I rather eat something chicken?
• 37:58
  Or I went to my best friend at the time. He invited me to see his fancy new fiance and she cooked.
• 38:06
  He cooked her best meal of the day, which was a beef stew. He didn't know he came back from work for
• 38:12
  both in New York City. I go there and there I am sitting in front of the beef stew. He freaked out.
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  He was like, uh, and I just trust him and I ate it. And then later he asked me,
• 38:23
  drone, what did you do? This was when I was vegan, actually full on vegan. And I said,
• 38:28
  the efforts that she tried to impress me, your best friend, that she was showing her love for you
• 38:36
  by doing something so meaningful for her. I don't need to impose my beliefs on her.
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  The cow is dead. It's right here. I'm going to enjoy it. I'm going to feel the love of all three
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  of us here. And I'm going to support this. And then when I go home, I don't have to eat it again.
• 38:51
  Or I do it again. It's my choice. But for me, this is an important distinction being smart versus
• 38:58
  being right. Being right, I'll be righteous. No, how dare she. How come you didn't tell her?
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  What's that going to do? It's not going to help anything. Not her, not him. It's going to be a
• 39:07
  disaster of an evening being smart. Okay. He didn't tell her mom about my diet. This is what we have
• 39:13
  to eat right now. How can I make the best out of this particular situation? The people be smart.
• 39:21
  Don't be right. That's probably one of the most powerful stories of what that flexibility
• 39:28
  that yoga provides mentally, physically, right? Here you were in this moment and you were truly
• 39:33
  flexible. Despite at the time it being very contradictory to your day to day practice of diet,
• 39:41
  I mean, but I think that's really powerful that if anything, you modeled yoga very well in that
• 39:47
  moment with that flexibility. This is about flexibility. It's not only the mind or the body. It's
• 39:54
  everything and add to that what I said earlier about awareness and service and services. It's not
• 40:00
  about going and saving the whales or the planet, though that's obviously wonderful. But it's about
• 40:05
  noticing in every day, every little action. How can we help somebody else? How can we make
• 40:11
  somebody else feel a little better? What action? What little something can be? Sometimes all it takes
• 40:17
  is I used to practice this in New York walking down the street. I was a freak. Maybe I still am.
• 40:22
  And I would just smile at people and some people would smile back and some people were like,
• 40:26
  you're weird and turn their head away. I'd never spoke to the person. I never did anything. But
• 40:31
  again, it's like this rating connection, creating again this, this ancestral union that we used to have
• 40:39
  with nature, with people on all levels. And yes, we can adopt it to today. But yeah, it's just
• 40:47
  that people maybe it's the cause of branding. I don't know. I mean, I'm doing branding. But I find
• 40:52
  oftentimes, especially in the yoga world, but I think everywhere in order to brand oneself,
• 40:58
  the person normally tries to distinguish themselves from others and we see that in politics. It's
• 41:04
  how bad everybody else is compared to me. I'm kind of like, no, just think about how great you are
• 41:10
  and what you're going to do good, forget the other people. And when we can do that, then we can
• 41:14
  focus on doing good and doing the right thing at the right moment, even if it doesn't sit 100% with
• 41:21
  our overall values. Because the value of service for me is more important than the value of my
• 41:28
  only personal diet. Right. Or yourself righteousness. Yeah, I really love that.
• 41:33
  Or self-righteousness. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. That's just assumed that there's someone
• 41:38
  out there. They're not being very physical. They're not exercising. They're that couch potato
• 41:42
  you talked about that we would probably choose to be if we weren't being more mindful.
• 41:48
  Is there a yoga pose that would be a good first step for, and I'm not talking them going to a
• 41:54
  class I'm talking that they can do at their home that they could start with to crack the clay,
• 42:01
  the hard clay around their shoulders and their body and start to like wake up their body so that
• 42:06
  they are inspired to maybe go take a class or to go and experience something outside of their home.
• 42:13
  And I love how you're breaking it down to the first step because
• 42:17
  though often and this happens a lot in my yoga classes, I would ask people to do yoga that like,
• 42:23
  no, I'm not good at it. And there was this notion that unless you already did gymnastics and yes,
• 42:30
  you can touch their feet when you're forward fold. Unless you can do a headstand. Then no,
• 42:36
  you're not good at yoga. I've seen this a lot with men as well that would come to yoga class and
• 42:40
  freak out because the women were most of the time more flexible, not always but very common.
• 42:46
  And I would always ask when you that done your bicycle the first time, were you just writing the
• 42:51
  bicycle or did you fall 17,000 times? Did you have to learn? Did you have to practice? I don't know
• 42:57
  any one person that's a master in anything without going through the process. And there's nothing
• 43:03
  more important than recognizing exactly what you're saying that even the simplest pose just one
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  little thing 30 seconds a day, two minutes a day is about 200,000 times better than nothing.
• 43:15
  So thank you for that question. And this is just my encouragement to all people that are debating
• 43:20
  about taking the first step. It is hard. There's no doubt. Even just deciding that from now on,
• 43:27
  you walk, you park your car further away and you walk further away. Anything you try to do is
• 43:32
  going to be difficult, but just keep reminding yourself that it's going to be worth it. Because once
• 43:38
  you'll do it and you'll see people that do do it, usually happier, healthier, kind of glowing,
• 43:43
  right? Then we know it's better. And if we can convince ourselves that it is worth it,
• 43:48
  the process, not even the outcome, because the outcome nobody knows what will happen. But the
• 43:53
  process is going to be worth it. Then we're motivated to take the first step. Now what is the
• 43:59
  first step? When I started yoga, the baby step used to be cat cow, meaning people would come
• 44:05
  on to all force and arch the back forward and down. Why? Because it really gives the
• 44:11
  science some movement. And I thought this is super healthy. It's one of the main places where,
• 44:16
  especially today, we hunched down a lot and it's super helpful. Over the years, I realized that
• 44:21
  so crucial that I developed my own cat cow and it's called delicious pose. People that go to my
• 44:28
  classes know that we always start with delicious pose. And on days when you can't do anything
• 44:34
  on your mattress in bed, you can do delicious pose. Which simply means you go onto your
• 44:40
  mattress, onto your mattress, onto your carpet, anywhere to tie your knees a bit, you're on all
• 44:44
  force. But instead of just arching and containing the back, well forwarded back, you move in all
• 44:50
  direction. Since I love food, I always tell people imagine that right now we poured a full bottle
• 44:58
  of extra virgin, cold press, olive oil, throughout all of your joints, definitely through your
• 45:04
  spine. And you're starting to move up and down, but then you're starting to move your head,
• 45:09
  and then you start to move your shoulders and your hips. So the biggest most important part is
• 45:14
  that the hips start to move not only up and down, but also in circles. And this releases so much
• 45:22
  tension in the back, tension that connects into the hip and to the legs. It releases suck energy
• 45:29
  in yoga and in many other traditions. Most of our suck emotions are actually stored in our
• 45:36
  hips and this big, massive bowl that holds all of that. So we're just moving it. And if you visualize
• 45:41
  this really good quality olive oil, I don't care where it comes from, you choose the country.
• 45:46
  But it's flowing, they're moving, releasing, you're smiling as you do it because it's called
• 45:51
  delicious. You got to smile. And you're starting to feel how it's releasing any suck energy.
• 45:56
  It goes up your spine. You move your head, neck, shoulders, elbows. Before you know it, you just
• 46:02
  got to go for a while. Important thing is obviously move it to the other direction as well. So
• 46:07
  do both directions. And even if this is the only thing you do, sit in child's place for a moment,
• 46:11
  then sit, close your eyes and take two minutes just to feel the joy in your body. For me,
• 46:18
  this is yoga. This is powerful. I gotta now do a video only on this or my YouTube channel,
• 46:26
  because I always take requests. And hey, I would say this is a fantastic request.
• 46:31
  First set in yoga. I love that. Thanks for the inspiration.
• 46:34
  Absolutely. I really do feel strongly, I mean, no matter what path I've gone down exercise-wise,
• 46:41
  whether it's heavy lifting, running, biking, any of it, since college, since I learned about yoga,
• 46:46
  that was in my early 20s when I first started to learn about it. I seem to always come back to yoga,
• 46:52
  realizing like there are gifts in that mindfulness of stillness that you talked about.
• 46:57
  There's gifts in the movement in all directions of my body. And as you said, there's also strength
• 47:04
  that comes from holding poses and holding your gaze. So no matter where I am in life,
• 47:11
  it seems to always come back to that, particularly as we age, that need for movement in the body
• 47:19
  and with the mind of flexibility that comes with that. Because I even noticed in my young
• 47:23
  daughter, I think, you know, we are born into this world. The stories continue as we're alive,
• 47:30
  and they get held in our body. And sometimes we forget that our shoulders are up to our ears.
• 47:36
  We don't even realize it because we're so used to it. The only time we're able to even be aware
• 47:41
  of where our shoulders are is because we're moving them or trying to move them. So if we don't even
• 47:46
  make the effort, then that storyline that's playing out, that lifetime that's playing out in your
• 47:53
  body will just kind of stick and start to, like I talked about earlier, start to solidify and become
• 47:59
  like hard clay. You're so right. And that's why movement is so important and movement with awareness
• 48:06
  is so important. And I think that yoga, for me at least, taught me how to just flots better,
• 48:13
  taught me how to even when I do my little bit of weights once in a while, it taught me how to do
• 48:17
  them better because I do slower. I do more conscious, actually use my breath. I inhale as I lift up and
• 48:24
  I exhale as I go down. And sure, maybe I'm not lifting big, crazy weights, but those weights with
• 48:30
  the awareness actually cause me to tighten my grip more and build some more strength with my grip.
• 48:35
  Though it really is important to have awareness in everything we do and how we chop vegetables,
• 48:41
  right? Take the feet slightly apart, relax the shoulders. I remember I used to touch up vegetables
• 48:47
  like this. It took me a while to realize, Oh, what are you doing? But it was the consistent practice
• 48:53
  of awareness with movement that then, and this is the biggest secret. If you're yoga is on the mat
• 48:59
  for 60 minutes a day for 30 minutes for even 90 minutes, but then you go back to your rest of
• 49:05
  the life and you forget about it. Not useless, but you're missing the plan. The mantra should be yoga 24
• 49:13
  seven or awareness 24 seven service 24 seven reading living life to its fullest with purpose 24 seven.
• 49:23
  I'll give you another quick example. I used to be pretty strong or stung at the time practicing a
• 49:27
  lot of yoga. And I would go back to my cute little last time I would sit in the car completely slum.
• 49:34
  And my girlfriend, the yoga teacher at the time, she was what my girlfriend at the time,
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  she probably still is a yoga teacher, told me, you're on your slumping. What's the use of all your
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  beautiful working on your body if then you go and you do this? That's when I started
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  teaching and practicing as much as I can remember far from being a saint to practice yoga 24 seven.
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  Even in the podcast, I'm sure there were times where I slumped a bit and then I remembered and I
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  pulled back up. So the idea is never to be too harsh on ourselves because then we'll stop doing
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  everything altogether, whether it's yoga or anything. But to come from a place of compassion,
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  which is very important in yoga and practice and fall and pick up again and practice again
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  and start with baby steps and almost always after the baby step, I know for me, if I just do
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  delicious, I'm like, oh, maybe I'll do one sensor. That's it. I don't feel like more.
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  I'll maybe I'll do another one. Well, I'll just add a few pushups. Okay, maybe I'll just do a
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  bit of hip openers. And before I know it, I had a practice doing the first step and doing it with
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  awareness for me is the first ingredient to then take off for the rest of your day and having a
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  great day with awareness. And as you said earlier, if it hurts, it's okay. That doesn't mean stop.
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  That means go gentle and then next time do it again and you and continue to the practice until
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  hopefully it stops hurting. We can glad a tiny bit because we don't want people to break anything.
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  It goes again. Sorry to repeat that word so many times for awareness. So when I'm going,
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  it does hurt. And it goes beyond what I feel like. People think that after 30 years of practice,
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  every morning, all I want to do is get up and do yoga. I don't. I still wake up and need to
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  practice my habits with awareness. It's become more naturally, of course, with less resistance.
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  But yeah, if you told me to run wake up and do nothing and eat, I don't know what,
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  I may say, yeah, give me a coffee for some. Let's go down to Paris,
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  streets and forget the class. However, it's both taking the first step and having the awareness that
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  as I'm moving through it and it's uncomfortable, I'm still moving through it. If the pain starts
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  to become sharp pain, don't push through the pain. One has to have the wisdom and that's where listening
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  to the body is important because we're listening to the body with awareness. Not do I feel like
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  practicing. Now this I'm going to do even if my body tells me I don't feel like I'm going to practice
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  always. But after we started practicing the awareness that right now I feel like it's getting too
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  much. I've done push ups and it's burning and it's hurting. No, there's no need to push. We're not
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  here to become yoga Olympic champions. There's no such thing and hopefully there will never be. That's
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  the whole idea of yoga. It's a lifestyle. You do it to the level that it feels good. You push a
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  little further. Absolutely. But when it starts to feel uncomfortable, you stop. You move to the next
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  thing. Expanding on that, I would say I always practice even when injured because let's say my shoulder
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  is injured. I can work with my legs. My legs, my knee is injured. I can do all my sensalutes seated
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  on the ground. I've actually had a student of mine come to me with a full on cast or full leg
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  and she just sat on the ground and we did sensalutes with her seated. We did twist. We did the whole
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  practice. We did neck rotations. We did breathing. There's always something to do. You can't move.
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  You're in a cast up to here. Actually, I had a quadriplegic student for many years and we started
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  with breath. Later on, I realized that the breath actually is moving her body, though she couldn't
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  move her own body. We started working with breath with mind mastery and she slowly slowly started
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  to gain better movement. She's still not like walking, running or anything. This woman is married,
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  successful business owner. It's unbelievable. From somebody that was, I would say suicide,
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  if I may share that, but really coming to that place of just finding what it is that we can do,
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  working with that, going beyond our discomfort, but not pushing to the place of injury,
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  which is oftentimes the place where the mind or the ego is pushing us. So noticing if we're moving
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  out of ego or out of sustainable health. Before we go, you have a quick answer to this. I think a
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  lot of people do breathe shallowly. Do you have a simple tip that people can do to be that mindful
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  of where their breath is and how to actually go a little deeper? Again, like any habit, it's
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  practice. I believe that I'm sure there's an app for this, but if not, put a little sticky note
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  on the corner of your thing. We're set a timer for every 10 minutes. I think 10 minutes is great,
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  but if it's too much free, do every 15 minutes. As the timer goes down, ding-ding, you head stop.
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  You take three deep breaths, really just inhale. I would say count the breath because when you count,
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  you know how you're doing. Let's say you can do only three, and then try to let the exhale go to six.
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  It's easier to exhale longer than inhale longer, and you go exhale longer. What this does is it shifts
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  the body from the sympathetic to the parasympathetic, from the fight or flight to the digest relapse.
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  And so now, just by taking one time, even forget three, but even one round every 15 minutes,
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  the shoulders will relax. I'll speak softer and calmer, and I'll go back to work with much more
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  clarity and be more efficient in whatever I'm doing at much higher levels than if I were just
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  go, go, go, go. My new book, if I may mention it, undistracted, is all about these little tips,
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  these tools, not just to become a master or a meditator or to have awareness, but exactly what
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  you're talking about. Finding these mini, don't love the word haps, but life practices, life systems,
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  they really bring us to the place where we can have awareness and constantly improve ourselves.
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  Because if we stop every 10 minutes and take one round, ideally two, but even one round of
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  inhale, let's say four, exhale eight, before you know it, this starts to become a new habit,
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  and you won't even need the timer. Do this one week and you'll see you'll need to put the timer
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  once an hour just to make sure you didn't forget. This is the really great practice. It's also
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  useful before somebody goes to sleep because it helps them remember to breathe through the nose,
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  right? Don't exhale through the mouth even though everybody tells you to start learning to breathe
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  only through the nose. And every the constant nervous system, so anybody struggling within
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  Sonya will have a much, much easier time following the sleep and feel better as they go to sleep.
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  That's excellent. Well, thank you, Doron. How can people find you?
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  Doron Yoga, D-O-R-O-N Yoga, right? Doron Yoga is my YouTube channel where there is a lot of
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  physical practices, but more and more guided meditation and again tips about how to master life,
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  mind, finding purpose, really just live this life to its fullest. And doronyoga.com, my website will
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  have everything else from the books that have written who and me knew things that I'm gonna offer.
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  I'm building the Doron Yoga Academy, which are a lot of these courses to help support people
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  in this day and age using the ancient wisdom but converting it to becoming very practical and
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  accessible to everybody in this day and age. We'll put the links for your books and then your
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  socials as well. Well, thank you again for your time. It's so wonderful catching up. I really hope
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  people do take their first steps with yoga if you haven't already because I have found it to be
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  an incredibly powerful tool. And so I'm grateful for you coming on this show so you could talk about
• 57:42
  how they can do that. And hopefully we busted a few yoga myths as well so that anything that's
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  keeping you from just going down this path, you can now kind of just take the first step. So thank
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