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20. Fashion Week, Billionaires and Biscoff · No Country For Hot Girls

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: You reach no country with a hot call to the card.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: We can't come to the phone right now.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because we have better things we could do.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's introduce you.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Hi.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got Flo, aka my landlord back.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: AKA my friend.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: Landlord.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_03: Therapist.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nemesis.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Nemesis, yeah.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so welcome back to the pod.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, last time you were here, you're with uh good old GDM, Gary David.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: I was hanging on the floor by the cat litter.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: We were sat on the floor.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was a bit less high-tech than we were about three bottles of wine deep, I'd say.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was great.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: That was I wish I was drunk now.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, actually, I could do, I could really do with a couple of glasses of something.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we've got Miss Hannigan.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Miss Hannigan's back on the pod, guys.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: I know you guys love seeing Hanni on the pod.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Miss Hannigan.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: Miss H.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, let's start from the beginning.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, hang on.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let's um, God, how does this always start in such chaotic fashion?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, first things first, welcome, welcome back.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having me back.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: So was it by um critical acclaim?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_02: Popular demand.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: She's back on the pod.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: People's choice award.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Florence, aka flow.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, she likes to be called anyway.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's by the by.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you're back, and we are going to be discussing your specialist subject today, which is what Gilmore Girls.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sex.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, definitely not Gilmore Girls.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Fashion.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Fashion.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, fashion.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: So as discussed with GDM, you're a stylist.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're hot off the runway.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Hot off the runway.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_02: In Paris.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: To be fair, I was near the I was near the runway.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: Then the runway was in the next room.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you were adjacent to El Runway.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: The cam walk.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to be having a bit of a fashion special today.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um September issue.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: The September issue?
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Although it's oct.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, but that is like, you know, it's the like the name of it.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like late September issue.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um spooky season.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: Spooky season.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you're going to be giving us some hot takes, some inside gossip.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: The inside scoop.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: The four um the shenanigans.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've got it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: From Paris.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: But before we get into it, shall we?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: Should we set an intention for the class?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's set an intention for the pod, maybe.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're doing our oh, our um fortune cookie cookies.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so guys, if you're listening and not watching, me and Flo are opening some fortune cookies.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Double happiness fortune cookie.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Should we tell them about our fortune cookie habit?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we always go, I always go into the shop and buy a fortune cookie, but they get annoyed that I don't have cash, they got 20p.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I bought some um well chili sauce today as well.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, for context, where we live in Stoke Newton, there's this Asian supermarket.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's already cracked over.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, stop, stop, stop, stop.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, anyway, we go in there pro on probably like a weekly basis, and basically the guy like fortune could be.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: The guy looks at us and he's like, and they're like 10p each, and every time he's like, okay, that'll be 20p.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: And we're like, no, no, no, I'll pick it myself.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: He tries to give them, we're like, no, no, actually, but now today he passed me the box.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: He started passing us the box.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: He knows that we don't want him to touch them.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's I think it's a cry for help.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's become quite concerning.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: But there was a there was a period, wasn't there, which was quite embarrassing.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, no, where basically there was like over summer, they just hadn't replenished any of their stock.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we would go in on like a daily basis.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Be like, where are the fortune cookies?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: Surely, surely you you've got new stock, and they'd be like, No.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: They'd always be like, Yeah, I think so, I think so.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: It just felt really metaphorically damning.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: What just like doesn't there's no fortune, and then when you got one and it was empty, it was well pretty much.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: We went through a quite a sad streak of getting empty, empty ones, yeah.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know what that that method was, but maybe we're yet to find out.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, actually, yeah.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Better than um it's better than you know so I'm opening mine.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: It opened itself, actually.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: Ms.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: Hannigan, would you like to read out what it says?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good one, right?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: What we got?
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: Be patient.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: Good things come to those who wait.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: Wow! Oh my god, that's quite a good one.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's quite a good one for me.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: Considering in my life situation, because everything's kind of going up the shitter, but.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Mine's I've got one I've already got before.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Everything will go your way.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's great.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Everything will now go your way.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's great.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Positive.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: Up earth mark.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Me eating the fortune cookie.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: For those who um get turned on by S ASML, should we do a little on the mic?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it will pass it through.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's something so kind of boringly delicious about fortune cookie.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Fortune cookie pastry.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: But it's just literally, it's like a wafer.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's wafer.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's nice.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: When you're younger and you could eat well, and you ate gluten.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Do you used to steal you know when my your mum went for a cappuccino in the 90s and they'd always have the one of those like twirly wafers?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it tastes like.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: Or those what they call chocolate or something.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, an Italian one.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: My mum would always get her coffee and we would pounce on the waffle before she'd had a chance to even touch our coffee, and then we would get spoons and just tickle the froth.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then we'd be like, you know, like mummy, you don't even like them.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, I do, but you just don't give me a chance anyway.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: I do remember the other ones, the um the lotus, the fucking biscoff.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: The biscous will die.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone loves a biscuff.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: When they get my hair cut at Headmasters, they'd give me a biscoff.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember in Headmasters?
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry guys.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: I loved Headmasters.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: Although I did go before a wedding when I was a bridesmaid a few years back and they made me look like Billy Rosiris.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was it.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: Slash Keith Urban.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like I had like kind of a mullety look and they and they tried to make me look wedding appropriate and they straightened it, and oh lord, it wasn't good.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then I had to dunk my head in the sink before the wedding to like.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: Did they give you um the kind of streaky highlight?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, my hair would just like naturally a bit highlighted, and then it just looked streaky.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, get down to business.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just To defeat the Huns mouth blown sort of dry wafer.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: So teller.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: So okay, so you have been roaming around the streets of Paris.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: Roaming, yes.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: What do we need to know about this season's fashion?
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um what was the inside story?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, people were saying some lore that it was gonna be Anthony Vaccarello of Saint Laurent's last season.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, I had.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: So he did, he's done 10 years of Saint Laurent, and it was apparently meant to be his swan song.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but nobody had been this hadn't been like confirmed by anyone in the house, but people have been saying it on the internet.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: And then he did this like last show, which was all gold, and it was giving somber energy, but like somber somber, like sad.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: No, not the singer, not Gen Z.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it was.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you did know somber, like giving it was giving like this is the ending energy, it was really good, but also maybe everyone was just putting that on it because they thought it was the end because they'd heard it.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it is.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: I can't see where he would go and why he would do that, but maybe he's tired, but I don't think he's tired.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, but that literally he could be tired, but I think he like doesn't isn't tired.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, at the end of the show, didn't he kind of like give the key to the house, like physical, literal key to the building of San Rong?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Did he like yeah, he like ran up to someone and like passed it on, and apparently it was supposed to represent like a symbolic passing on of the.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: But who did he pass it to?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: I that bit I can't remember.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe or maybe he like his husband had was locked out, and so he needed it.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: But he was like quick, I'm gonna quick give him the key to our flow.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: I I can't imagine him doing something like camp like that.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe he did.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well he might have done it, but I just don't think he by not telling anyone he's leaving, if he is leaving, and then making it very like mysterious, and then doing that is like I don't know, it's just a bit weird.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I've worked with him and I can't imagine him doing a gesture like that.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: He's not like lol's, he's like quite serious.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: So who's can we play this game?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: So who's our favourite fashion house um at the moment designed leaving since this season?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I actually don't usually like Celine that much, but this last show, Spring Summer 27, was so good.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: I really also liked Drees, Dries Van Noten.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I'm not always like their biggest fan.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, I'm just not always like big these big brands, whatever.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: But I looked because I had a lot of um looking to do on my phone when I was waiting for models to come in for fittings, and I looked and I thought, wow, this is really jazzy.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was quite like maximalist, kind of like my house.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my like house house, not fashion house.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a fashion house, but um it was really good.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: House of Hanigan.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: I liked House of Hanigan.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, that would be that would be all fashion brand.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you'd probably just make like um gingham socks.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: You'd make like different kinds of gingham socks socks.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: What do I have any gingham socks?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, but just it would be something like random.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, I would make I would make cool stuff.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like what?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Gingham pants?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, but wouldn't make pants.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe like I don't know, actually.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's a really hard question.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Fabulous hats.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like the hats that you like from the Galeano Zara.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: So Flo um was sty well.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, I was I was assisting on the Zara Galeano collab, which for my sins, lol.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it's quite an on the nose.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um is that the is that the name of the collection?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: For my synths.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was me saying for my synth, because you know.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh right, got you.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: The whole thing is a bit controversial for so many reasons.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, the whole thing was called Reform, which again was quite on the nose, but I don't think it was yeah.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it was cool, but the hats were my favourite part.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: They were kind of like they were giving like French Revolution, but also Oliver twists, and everything was very childcatchery, which is very Galeano.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: But those hats, I would like to make fabulous hats for House of Hanigan.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: House of Hanigan.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, and if you came into my shop, you would get Hatters of Hanagan.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: Hatters of Hanigan.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Then that's giving that's getting a little bit steam.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: We're going closer to steampunk than I would like.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: Steampunk?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like we're getting close, a little too close to like Victorian, oh right, like mad hatter.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, come on, my governor.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, right, got you.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Fine, fine.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, right.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_01: So Celine, you think was a great show?
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Celine was great.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um were there any Goths?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: With you know, what was this?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: What were the streets of Paris like?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Were they buffed?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: They were popping off.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they were also having the um horse racing.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: And Celine Dion.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I saw that about Celine Dion.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Celine Dion is iconique, yeah.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: So what was she doing?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: She was performing and just being herself.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: But she was doing concerts.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: But they also had the horse racing and then they had fashion week.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: So the the Eurostar on the way back was quite a weird mix of like proper lad, like 50-year-old geezers from the racing, and then Celine Diongays, and then fashion people who looked like their faces had been like pulled down and like they had purple, like no, no, not in no as in like so tired and like haggard and like like a corpse dragged up from the underground.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh, okay.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well that sounds nice.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Flattering.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was really, it was a really flattering situation.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um so do you think it was a do you think it was a good fashion week as fashion weeks go?
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I had a really nice time.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think people thought it was good.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, I don't know.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of people are worried about the state of the industry.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think people are like, oh, everything's just like the same, everything's boring, and everything's churning out corporate.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: But actually, when you see stuff like that, like the Celine and the Saint Laurent was really good, and I I mean I I'm not the best person to talk about this, but it seems like people are more excited, and people seemed way more excited about London as well this season.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh really?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: There were way more young designers, smaller brands, like underground.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was much more like of a vibe than it usually is because it was dead for so long.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: It feels like London's getting more, yeah, more vibe.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like they had loads more to do, loads more was on.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was like not lame anymore.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right, okay.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: So you've had it here first, guys.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Fashion week's not lame.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Fashion week is not lame anymore.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Out the woods.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Out the woods.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're all we're all cool again.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Our jobs are not over.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yay.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so let's get into some pop culture.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was watching yesterday.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: The well, I didn't first of all I didn't realise it uh Vanity Fair had a podcast, but it's it's actually pretty good.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's called um Who hosts it?
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's um it's the guy called Mark Giaducci.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of him?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's called Fair Game Podcast.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'd never heard of it, but then I ended up getting served some kind of clips from their most recent episode with Jeremy O'Harris, the playwright.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: He I think he won like a an I don't know, not an award.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he I don't know if he actually won the Tony, but no, so he got a record number of Tony nominations for his play, um, Slave Play, I want to say it's called.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I haven't seen it, but I heard about it and it sounds really, really fucking cool.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm obsessed with him.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's as I was telling you yesterday, he was one of the producers on that Charlie XX Polish film Arupsia.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: Arupsia.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: CJ, which seems like kind of a random, a random conflagration of people.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: The Poles, Charlie, Jeremy.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so weird.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: And then an eruption.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: An eruption.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember what the eruption was, but anyway.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a volcano.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it was an actual volcano.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think I saw in the like Oh, I think it's like Can't Fly.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, yeah, she gets grounded in Warsaw?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Warsaw, and she has to be like she has to see her ex, this girl that she had a fling with, and she's meant to be getting married to this guy, Charlie, and she gets stuck in Warsaw and she has to then reignites with this ex.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right, okay, got you.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, anywho, uh, Jeremy and Mark are having a chat.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I thought it was really interesting, actually.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know how like these days you get so many kind of interviews or conversations that I mean this is probably one, but like where no one's really saying anything challenging.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and Jeremy basically is talking to so Mark is he's the editorial director of of Vanity Bear, but before that he was the creative editorial director at Vogue.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, before that, he used to work at Garage Magazine.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness, he's been a hot seating.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's been around.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: Hot desk, hot desking.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, can I just say hot desking is so lame?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's actually quite stressful.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like every day is basically like survival of the fittest.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: What's it called?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Uh not pass a pass or yeah, but magical chair.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Musical chairs magical chairs.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: Magical chair sounds great.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: I would play that.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds really right.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Musical chairs.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Where you but you're an adult and your like livelihood depends on getting the chair.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and also like what you're gonna do.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally the Hunger Games.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if you if you so much as sleep in for five minutes, you're gonna have to sit in the corridor.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: What you're gonna do or you have to sit like with with by the bathroom.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: By the loo, or yeah, or like by the by weird like Ian from accounts.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Ian from account anyway.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: So back to um Jeremy.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, they were talking about basically Vanity Fair's cover this month is Sam Altman, the like tech CEO of OpenAI.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: And they basically have kind of given him this big profile, and I think the cover line on the front is like Sam Altman sees the future.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so Jeremy Harris is basically saying it was really interesting.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't want to be like cancelled for this or like shafted out of the industry or whatever, but I just think it's not right that magazines like Vanity Fair or like Anna Winter, who's obviously you know in charge of Metgala, etc.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: are throwing these people in our faces, basically.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's basically platforming these, I guess, evil people who are have given nothing back to society and are only basically taking.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you I mean, but then I guess playing devil's advocate, they've they've given back to society through the thing that everybody seems to use.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: But the problem is, so this is what Jeremy was saying, because um not that I've used as someone who does not even use it, yeah, yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: But this is actually an interesting conversation because Jeremy Harris is basically saying, I don't want AI.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yeah, I've used it.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I'm not gonna lie about it.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's helpful, but I'm not here sat asking for it.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I would happily not have it, take it away, I don't need it.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: But we're being told this narrative that is basically being peddled by these tech CEOs because they're making money, that we need to have it.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, basically, the cat's out the bag and it can't go back.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: And Jeremy's basically saying, like, why can't it go back?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think it can go back.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: But it can go back, it can't no, it it literally can go back, like nuclear weapons, right?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oppenheimer created the nuclear bomb, there was this arms race, nuclear arms race, and then fine, the big powers made their nuclear weapons, but we're not using them.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: But they exist, yeah.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: But the point is they're not using them, we're not using them in well, hopefully we won't be able to do that.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it runs out, I think the the time runs out to be able to choose whether we use it, people it will use itself.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm scared of.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not one of those people who are really amazing who literally use special search engines.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: But I do think that it's gonna choose eventually that it doesn't want to be in the bag anymore, and it's not gonna be our choice.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: The nuclear weapons could never have come out of the bag themselves, they couldn't launch themselves.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Because this is the first time that we've created something more powerful.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: There was like a nuclear power leak.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but that that's an that's an accident.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about like But I guess it would be an accident if AI got out their sandbags and took over the world and spread a deadly virus.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like humans would have made an accident.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's unless it was used as a weapon.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, but it's not an accident if it's it's you've created something so clever that it can then do itself.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's an accident as in like, oops, we probably didn't want that, but it's not it's not an accident.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: But for example, if you have a nuclear plant and there's there's some kind of like rupture or whatever, and then all of that kind of energy, yeah, radioactive energy, that is obvious anyway.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's an accident, but that's an accident, but as it's but we've created the technology to create that devastation to come out, whereas this has a mind of its own.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm scared about, and I'm not and I don't know much at really, I don't know much about it, but I do think that it seems like a monster, yeah.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I know for sure, and I completely think that we need to like sack it off.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, it was really interesting because in this interview, Jeremy Harris basically saying, We've been told that we need to be more productive, and this is gonna make us more productive, and it's and we've like, for example, right, you don't use AI, but without asking for it, without actively choosing to um like download Chat GPT, your Google is giving you AI.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what I said.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why there are people who have those use those search engines that don't use AI, which is amazing, and I would love to be able to be one of those people.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: But but the point is that it's being pushed on us, yeah, yeah, totally.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we aren't asking for it.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so, therefore, now they're saying you guys need it.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: But what Jeremy is saying, none of us need it.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't ask for it.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: You and I are just telling us that it's too late because you've got it, and actually, for society to function well, you know, you've got to have it.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: But what he was saying is like, that's complete bullshit.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need to have it, we were absolutely fine up until like six months ago when this whole thing came out.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Out and now you're basically using all the world's resources, water, energy, etc., and you're telling us that it's too late to get rid of it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: But ultimately, it's only you that's benefiting financially from forcing this technology.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: But again, I don't think people are being forced.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: You're using Google, yeah.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're being forced.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: My phone, WhatsApp, even Pinterest, all of them have AI.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: But you're not being forced to use it in every you can opt out of using it.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's being put on us on every single technological platform that we might have changed.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: We lapped it up for a long time, I think, and then it got too far.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: But I think a lot of time we'd be like, oh, that's cool, you can search a picture, and it will be like, it will show you more thing.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And people are like, oh, and I think we're to blame because we have we've lapped it up.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think humans, I don't think we're to blame at all.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think that, yeah, sure.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Buried our heads in the sand.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think like at the end of the day, if you're if you're putting something on like a populace, they're going to if they're like if it improves their lives or makes sense easier, yeah, then they're gonna say, oh fuck it, I'll use it.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: But they but I don't think you can blame people for being like, oh well, this is just the the quick, easy option.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's like social media, we're addicted to it.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think it's even our fault that we're addicted to it.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like we were literally given a product that now has become there's actual evidence that has scientifically and factually stated that it's an addictive product.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, but the manufacturers knew that it was addictive, but we cannot sit as adults and be like, well, we didn't know it's addictive and now we're addicted and like we're victims now.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, but that's not true.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's not true because I think they the what these people oh, so we really are getting into spirited.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is exactly the kind of thing that we wanted.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, but I I because I feel very strongly about this, and people always tell me I'm wrong.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I do agree with you.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of the day, fundamentally, what it boils down to is individual choice.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you've got to if you know that something is bad for you, then you have the power to stop it.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I do think that these things are being pushed on us in a way that, for example, every single workplace has now got an A, you've got an AI agent.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: They've all done AI training.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: The work thing I do understand, as someone who doesn't work in an office like that, but I hear that you have to keep up with the work because they've in you basically have to do it at the workplace, so then you have to do it, so it's not really a choice.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: In addition to the fact that loads of people are losing their jobs because of it, and then I think in terms of the productivity, we've been told this is gonna make you more productive, use it.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Then we're being encouraged, use it, or make you more productive.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Use this amazing app that checks all your money and bank statements and give us all of your data.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I mean, it's like but then don't think owners, don't use it, guys.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Come on, no, no, I know which in the fucking fairy tale being like, eat the apple, yeah.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: I know fucking Garden of Eden.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but I think as humans we look to authority figures for because we're sheep, we're ultimately sheep, aren't we?
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like we look to people in authority or figures in authority, so like governments, etc., to kind of tell us what's good and what's bad, and we've got the government literally telling us AI is the future.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: When has the government ever told us something that we're like, wow, that's amazing, that's great, thanks.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like, when have we ever actually listened to the government and been like, cool, that's excellent?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do that.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, I do agree with you, but I think that like people, like for example, climate change, right?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's ultimately the the polluters, governments, who can make the change the change.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: We can make individual changes, but it's gonna be so insignificant in the grand scheme of things unless governments and these companies that are actually polluting change, and countries that don't have the same regulations change.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: We were in this world, you've been plopped onto this planet, and it I don't understand how some people can't just be like, Well, it's my moral responsibility to do something to help, even though we all know that the government's fucked all around the world, all the governments, and like they're only out for themselves most of the time.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: But you have to start at a grassroots level because otherwise it's literally pointless being here at all.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, I completely agree with you on that, and I have like absolutely zero sympathy and patience for people who say, like, oh, what's the point?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: For example, what's the point in recycling?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: Recycling is the best analogy for all of it because recycling is like you don't have to do it, but if you don't, bigger sick.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: If someone doesn't recycle, yeah, like what?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, or like they don't even bother.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you might recycle wrong, but at least try recycling.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: But also, like, would you date a man who didn't recycle?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have done, but I probably wouldn't now.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just think it's like that for me is so upsetting because it's like you're literally actively choosing to put like plastics in the ocean that are gonna kill fish when there is a box next to the other box that goes to the recycling.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: You're but you're literally going, I don't give a fuck about anyone else.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: And if someone literally what their message is is that I don't care, and then they'll be like, Well, it doesn't matter because the whole of China isn't recycling.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but anyway, sorry, just to wrap this up because I feel like we've gotten slightly on a touch.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, but I think sorry, going circling back to Jeremy Harris, I think what he's saying, all right to Jeze.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: So what he's saying is that ultimately this thing has been pushed on us on society that no one asked for, no one wanted, and it's like in the name of productivity.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: But actually, as we've discussed at length, we already live in a fucking broken society where hustle culture and productivity is more important than like health, happiness, connection.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: So pushing productivity even more into like making us feel like we we can't even use using our normal brains is too slow.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have to use a computer brain in order for us to be keeping up with the level of bustle that we're doing.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's no way that can't end in tears or brain roll explosion.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, the the long and short of it is then they got into a bit of a kind of tiff, because not a tiff, but it was a tiny bit awkward because basically he was like, I think it's irresponsible of you to be profiling the likes of Sam Altman and for Anna to be inviting the likes of Jeff Bezos and getting him to fucking chair the Well, he's he's the head.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Anna's not it anymore, it's him.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's him and his wife.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so this guy's crazy.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's literally crazy.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, again, it's just like you're selling out every single one of your principles for money.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but let's be real, like Vanity Fair and Vogue have never been like underground publications.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're always gonna care more about money than anything else.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: But then again, Anna used to be a real gatekeeper, especially do you remember she didn't invite like Kim Kardashian for years?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: But that's a what do you call it?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like an entire that's like a story I'm gonna choose who comes to my event because these people are tasteless and tacky, and they had a sex tape, and they're not real artists like the rest of us.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's why.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't anything I think no, but now money changed.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: But money talks, and they don't Jeff Bezos's money is something you cannot ignore.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that there were a lot of years when he and Lauren Sanchez weren't invited, and then something happened last year when they got married in that kind of disgustingly over-the-top ceremony in Venice, and that whole wedding was covered by Vogue, and then he suddenly gets, you know, he's the whatever, the chair of the Met Garla.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think she probably just got tired and was like, actually, you know what, they're gonna win anyway, so let's just fucking go through.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Also, maybe he gave her like a shitload of cash, like a C P.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Personally, well, maybe I don't see it.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: She I don't think she needs it.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I also don't think she would I think that is bel that's that's tasteless.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: And she's very chic.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, anyway, so so they're having this conversation on the fantasy fair pod, and this guy, Mark Duodici, how you say it?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, he basically gets a bit offended and he's like, I don't agree.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think the point of journalism is to basically reflect society, and Jeremy Harris is saying, for sure, like reflect society, write a rigorous like piece, you know, really dissecting what people are doing, but like writing a fluff piece, or for example, Mark Zuckerberg, he had like a recent fucking feature in New York Times Star magazine where it was basically talking about the evolution of his style, yeah, and he had like a photo shoot with him like looking trendy and stuff.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Trendy.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Was it an actual you know what?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, weirdly, I thought I saw Mark Zuckerberg today on when I was walking down um down Green Lane, but I didn't, it wasn't him, but um maybe that's his trendification.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's a the longest residential street in London.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: The own the longest street in London that exists because it's so long.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow anyway, but um wait, so it was like a a sh a photo shoot of him in an interview.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, talking about his personal style.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: But does he need to be No?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need to see any more of him.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so Jeremy was basically saying, like, these people are ugly.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need to see them like zuj'd up until they start doing good things, yeah, they're ugly people inside and out.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're nerds who have wanted validation for their whole lives, and suddenly they're being given it, but they're not doing any of the kind of good legwork that, for example, back in the day, the Victorian tycoons, the American tycoons, so like the Rockefellers, the Vanderbelts, the Carnegies, to be a millionaire, to be a super, super rich person in America, all of the tycoons were extremely, extremely charitable.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why you've got like the Rockefeller Center.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's why you've got Carnegie Hall.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: But in order to get any social status, but Rockefeller Center wasn't a charitable thing, it was like building a Trump tower, but being Rockefeller Town.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: But like, I don't know, let's say like a wing in like the mare.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I can't think of one right now.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, so basically, they would have to give back socially in order for them to attain some kind of I guess respectability and like social credence.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: And what we're seeing now is this new era of new money, like stratospherically rich tycoons.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: But instead of giving anything back, they're taking from like the natural world, society, our mental health, XYZ, yeah, there's nothing that they're giving back to society, and they're getting allowed into society.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, through these honours like the Met Gala or being the front cover of Vanity Fair, looking at as a pioneer, or Mark Zuckerberg having an actual full full full photo shoot for his personal style, they're getting their flowers.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think doing the Met Gala thing is I think that is a bit different.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: That is being the chair, like heading the charitable event.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: But do you not think that that's an honour?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like a socially an honour?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, but I think you wouldn't be offended if someone said you want to chair the Met Gala, you'd be like, I'm gonna be a good one.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, but I think also it's basically being bought now.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not really like I feel like Yeah, it might have got, but as a result of that, it's definitely been sullied or like it's become less yeah, I mean but I do think it's a huge honour for for for someone to be kind of given it, and the fact that it's been given to them completely and utterly undeservingly.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think they should just cancel the whole thing, and they should just if they want to pay, they can build whatever they want in the Met museum, and everyone should just not do the Met Gala because it's so fucking boring.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: That is my hot take.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, don't care, so out of touch with the world.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: Some of the clothes are hideous, a few of them can be funny, but honestly, who would actually miss the Met Gala?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, that's my hot take.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: Would anyone miss it?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: To be fair, when I am I feel like it's been kind of bad, like the bat outfits have been quite bad for a few years.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: The outfits are absolutely terrible.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you're watching Lizzie McGuire movie and she does the hey now reveal, and she's gone to that like Italian designer, and she does the reveal when she's performing on the stage with Paola when she catches out Paola Putinesca and then she comes out in this outfit, and it was literally that is what the Met Gala looks look like.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: They look like a made-for-tv movies fashion looks outfit at the end of the show when they sing and they're all happy.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: It looks like an Emily in Paris fashion show, like a fake fashion show.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it does, it's giving a bit of Emily in Paris.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's giving Emily in Paris, it's giving Devil Wes Prada to like fashion.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's just really cringe, yeah, and I don't think anybody, I don't I think there's a lot of people in my industry as well who would be like, guys, I mean I love I love the campness of it.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: I love that it's a charitable event and that money goes to like art and stuff, but honestly, guys, let's just get rid.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean everyone's instead of spending what like a miller table, can someone can't they just give that?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't it?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, can't they just give that to a charity for a ticket or something?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it's insane.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I completely agree.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that that now that Jeff Bezos as well is like whatever heading it, I think.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna I think it's gonna be fully over.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because at the end of the day, the whole specialness of it is the exclusivity.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: And through now, in I guess through Anna Winter basically being like, I don't care anymore, I'm not gatekeeping to these people with absolute zero taste and who have no absolute zero eye for the arts or actually anything to do with the arts, you've completely killed that exclusivity, haven't you?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Soho House.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: When as soon as they started opening like a hundred million so houses and like it became easier to get a membership, yeah, the value of Soho House went like tanked.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, they and as a result, they lost so much money.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Is it still going?
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: I remember in the Sext in the City episode when Samantha finds the card for Soho House in the bathroom of the restaurant, like someone's card.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what was her name?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Jerry Halliwell's character lost her card, and Samantha's like, Oh my goodness, there's a pool on the Soho House roof.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so she's like, Um, and what was her name?
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: She's called like anyway, something stupid.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: And they go to Soho House, and it's so it looks so new and exciting.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a roof on a rooftop pool, but now everywhere has rooftop pools in these like glam places.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know, I don't go to many of them, but but it's just in that episode, so exciting, and all the girls go and then they get kicked out because um they find out that they're not actually members, and it's all really funny, but it's not like that anymore.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that it's just become like oh, to be seen somewhere, but everybody's just on their laptops.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think the whole idea of it was that it was like a members club for creatives, and the point is now that hardly anyone there is actually a real creative, they're just like I mean it's like Raya, like yeah, you could literally every like you have to be able to do it.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I was on Raya and I'm not a celebrity, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like literally, like I know people who work in property who have their memberships, and I'm like Which is fair enough.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you're but no but want to pay for it, good for you.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the whole But the but the you've diluted your initial concept, so the people who went there initially, you're gonna lose.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think the official concept actually works anymore because now everybody can be anything they want, and that's great, and everybody can look like they are something, so you can't really cut out people anymore.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I think so I think it's quite good.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean, I I mean I was never a member, so I think that I mean I guess it just goes back to this idea of like quantity kills like exclusivity, yeah.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Or or or quality, I guess.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just and well, even for example, like the fact that they've got like, you know, 60 houses houses now and they're all kind of carbon copies, like design-wise of each other.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: It makes that one, you know, if you go to one and you look at the design, it makes it seem much less special that you know it's just being like replicated in Mexico, or like yeah, you know, yeah.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think the hotels is a good idea because it's like sort of like high-end, but not like not like Ritz Carlton or like four seasons high-end, but like high end for people if they want to spend a little bit more money in the country.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've never stayed in one of the hotels, but they I guess that's a good idea, but I just think they're like workspaces again.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: Another thing basically a wee work, yeah, and they're we workspaces, like it's like we don't need to try and make it like an elite workspace.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, whatever goes to a cafe, just go to a cafe and that's that.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Or just go to Riverside Studios.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's about 25 perfectly immaculately clean loos.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you ever need if you ever caught out on SW SW to W of London, if you're ever on the Riverside and you need um quick nip into the bathroom, this is a shout-out for Riverside Studios.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for always being there.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: What would you say?
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Love you.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Are your top three favourite public toilets?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, okay.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: Riverside Studios.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: Number one, um, Victoria Station.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, they're great, really good.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: You go sometimes there's a big cue going up from the ladies, but they've won lots of awards.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: You can see you can see the signs that get I go, I'm always the signs that say like best cleanest toilet award 2024, 25.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've never I've never looked that closely at the walls to be fair.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it's actually nice, it's got like plants, it's like a greenhouse vibe down there.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: Loads of gorgeous mirrors, loads of mirrors, loads of they're not always out of order as well.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: And okay, I found my new one the other day.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think I told you about it.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Japan House.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, right, yeah.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: On High Street Cairns.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: Listeners, can I just say I'd had a hard session in therapy and I really needed a shit?
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: As ever.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: And where was I to go?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: But no way, you can't go in Whole Foods.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, because the Whole Foods, they've like fucking closed the floor.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: So, and the pubs weren't open because it was too early.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: I do love a dash into a good pub.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: The famous cook, Hi Bruna Zington, that's a great one because no one's ever in the ladies because it's just men watching football.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: Brilliant.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, right by the station as well.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have to say, just really quickly, sorry to interrupt, um, just as a little tip if you're gonna go into a pub to use the loo, always, always, or and you need a shit.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: Keep your head down, don't look at anyone working there.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Don't look at anyone, walk straight in, don't ask any questions, but also go into the shittiest old man's pub you'll find because the loo the women's loos, as you say, are always always untouched.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: But then people all turn when you walk in, and usually there's like they know that you're like new.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah, sure.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes I just go, Do you mind if I go for a wee?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they it's never, never, never what's it called when you um ask?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Announce yourself.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: You walk straight in as though you've you're here for your shift.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Just walk straight in.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Or shit.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, Jap Japan house, you go downstairs.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my, oh my, I've never been to Japan, but apparently that this is what I imagine.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's like heaven, it's like a cloud down there, no one's there.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: They have the Japanese toilets, they're warm, they open up when you walk in, you can do all the bits and bobs.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: I never do the bits and bobs, I'm quite just like in and out.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: But I like that I could have opted for a spray or a switch around.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to get I think they give you thrush, but that's just me.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is what I mean though.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like, but anyway, it was really good.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: I would really recommend.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then I came out and then I browsed the stationery, and then I the security guard said, Have a nice day, and I thought, thank you.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: And now I feel lighter.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, literally.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, let's now talk about traitors.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't watched it, so you haven't watched it.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna give anything away because I know you're you're gonna get angry at me.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but let's talk about the latest pin-up and the unexpected heartthrob of the series.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: I actually James Acast.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't actually know who he was until we mentioned him today.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've absolutely no idea who that fellow is.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, you've never seen never listened to off menu?
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I only listen to true crime.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even listen to the podcast I'm currently recording, to be honest.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um edit you really badly.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's all from the edit when I get cancelled.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just edit you being like AI is really good.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love just Bayes.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Hot take.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: The Met Garler.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: He deserves to be head of the Met Gar.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he does.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: He's such a good one.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, you love to be a devil's advocate.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's so annoying.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just I just it's not that I love being moving on.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: No, but it's not that I love being devil's advocate.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: I just sometimes do notice heavy contradictions in people, people's comments.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I have to jump in and like see trying to be the devil.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: The Tasmanian devil.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we were talking about James A.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Cassett.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: So he's on the new series of traitors.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna tell you whether he's a faithful or traitor, but I don't he his hair used to be more ginger, but now it's kind of gone a bit grey.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's sort of just aging.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: How old is he?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think he must be like early 40s.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Nice, that's a great age for me.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: Great age, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he used to go out with Rose Mattefeo, who obviously wrote Starstruck.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then she cheated on him with Mr.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: Bean.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: Rowan Atkinson.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he loves he gets all the young girls.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: Rowan Atkinson.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: Not young, I don't mean illegal, I mean like younger.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's a fucking player.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: He's a player.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: He is.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: God, Rowan.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he is.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like Boris Johnson.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I feel like Rowan I can see more than Boris.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: But still it's the like, how do you get these young girls?
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: And they do.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well anyway, back to James A.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Castor.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: He had like a whole comedy.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: So she cheated on him.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: With And then what happened?
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well that was it.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then then she they broke up.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: And she started going out with Rowan for a bit, Mr.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Bean.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think they well, they obviously broke up as well.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um not obviously, but they did.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: And um there has been so now James A.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Castor, he's got a new girlfriend, don't worry everyone.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he's looking hot and there's like memes going all around the internet, basically, just like montages with this fucking romantic music of his face.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: People love people love an an underdog of sexiness.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: And also he's so nervous that like he just looks really kind of shifty and he's already there being like, not gonna lie, there's some big dogs in this room.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I mean I would say he's a bit of a big dog in the comedy world.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: In the comedy world, yeah.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm just not funny enough to I think that's probably it.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um also okay, fine, so I won't ruin any more time.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm I'm gonna watch it.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently, my dad, Richard E.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: Grant, is in it.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody keeps saying that he looks like and acts like my dad.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_02: My friend Lucas messaged me being like, Your daddy's in traitor.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, the use of the word daddy is slightly off-putting, but thanks for letting me know.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love Richard E.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: Grant.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, but you're gonna see he's he's moving mad.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, moving mad.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: I just love the idea of him moving mad.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: I can just see his face like no, but it's so funny because I'm not gonna no spoilers, but he it's catastrophically bad.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: To the point that it's like, and he doubles down in the moment where he could have kind of like clawed his way back, but alas he doesn't, and then he's absolutely Well, it's all in the name of fun, isn't it?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, um have you heard about the Russian plague?
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know the muffin man?
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's been a fucking oh, so there's a lab in fucking Siberia.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's never a good start.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: I know that's where like stranger things are.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: I know, it's giving it's giving like stranger things slash like, I don't know, oh god.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Some kind of there's a lab in Siberia.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Go on.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, go on.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Spooky season started.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lab in Siberia and there was a lab technician who was reported dead from a reported leak of one of their viruses that they're dealing with.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: But wait, what are they are they making viruses?
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: I I fuck knows, mate.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, it's some kind of evil, evil factory of virus weapons or fascism.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: God knows.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, communism.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but anyway, so this woman's died, and then I think I can't remember.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was a woman.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a woman.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: So you think it was an anti an anti-woman crime?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: So then this guy who's like the Russian politician basically releases a statement saying this woman has died of plague.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Plague?
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: That was the virus.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: Plague is a key word.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Plague.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone remembers a bubonic plague.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: What yeah, but babe, this is an offshoot of that.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's called the pneumonic plague, this one that she got and died of.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Pneumonic.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it affects your lungs, not your lymphs, I want to say.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um but isn't that like wait, what kind?
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: What what so you don't get you don't get the bubos, like you get the bubonics, you don't get the black pustules.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: I looked at our heads checks.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, this cannot be the next pandemic.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like Ebola, because and wasn't Ebola a type of plague.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess so, yeah.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because it yeah, so this one's pneumonic, so it's kind of I guess it gives you like pneumonia symptoms.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: And what's the difference between a plague and a virus?
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like COVID?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: I guess there is no difference other than the fact that the like medieval strain of plague.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which is related to that strain.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: So so anyway, so this woman's died.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: This bloke from the Russian government has announced that there's been this outbreak and they're quarantining it.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Then he goes back like an hour later and denies it and says, I take it back.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's got a gun to his head now.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, obviously, someone's Putin's been like, Why the fucking hell have you said that?
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now everyone knows that we've basically started the next COVID.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: So then he retracts his statement.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: Saying, haha, April 4.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, he was just like, Oh, actually, no, that's not not correct information, everything's fine.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then in the meantime, this lab has been quarantined.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Every single like scientist in it's been quarantined, the town around it's been quarantined, the hospitals around it have been quarantined.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: Had anyone left, like, was it just this one person in the lab?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know if people are left.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know because the Russians are being now pretending it isn't happening.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know anything that they do, yeah.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: So basically, well, I mean the shit like this must happen all the time, we just don't hear about it.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's quite worrying after I was like, what would you do?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we had to do fucking lockdown.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even want to think about it.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: I know I can't think about it.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: I was talking to someone the other day who said they enjoyed it, and I was like, I actually think that's one of another of my biggest icks.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, if you enjoyed COVID, if you enjoyed it, if you had that time in your life, you were very lucky, but go fuck yourself.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't think I could do it again.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's no there's no option.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'd have to like go to a country where I could just roam about.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, or just like live off grid somewhere.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's just not, it's not, it doesn't even bear thinking about.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't bear thinking about anyway.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's the latest bit of good news that I heard.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna leave you on a on one final bit of a recommendation.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, have you heard of the new series War War with um Jenna Miller and Dominic West?
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I heard that she was getting like acclaim.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, was she?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I heard people were like, Great, great job.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: But then apparently it's kind of like art imitating life for her.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't it about No, for him, for him.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: No Dominic West.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, but for her as well, because she was in that huge media storm with Jude Law and the nanny.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's about a divorce.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, so it's an HBO news series, it's HBO, I love those.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, when they you know, don't you get that like cozy little feeling when they've got an new HBO drama?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, oh, I settled down with an hour-long episode.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I feel like once a week with the shiny, rich, rich people doing rich people things, but getting like with like a fucked up underbelly and a detective who just wants to make right with their harrowed past.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I yeah, I I have to say, it's giving Netflix love.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: Love Netflix.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like Sienna Miller quite a lot of tacky, like tacky dramas.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: I can't think of anything she's done.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember since Alfie Well, do you remember um Factory Girl?
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh do you remember that?
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you maybe don't, but on there was a Netflix series that she literally did not that long ago.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I swear it was with Nicole Kidman, and then I can't remember who the husband was, but it was another like cheating husband drama.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think she was in that.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think she was.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because isn't that wasn't that that wasn't the one with um Hugh Grant?
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, Hugh Grant on that one.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, that 100% Sienna Miller was not in that.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: She's not?
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: I have not seen her in anything for a really long time.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: But it's giving that kind of energy.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was really good.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_02: That was called Um The Undoing.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: The un Undoing?
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, undoing.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: So good.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was so good.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was tacky but they're always tacky but good.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we love, we love that shit.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this my kryptonist is exactly the same vibe, so it's like tacky but good.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I so it's about Are they pretending to be American?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, thank god, thank God.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's English, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: English HBO.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's a legal drama.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, they're a couple, they're getting they're going through a divorce, it's gonna be a blockbuster divorce, blah blah blah blah blah.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I'm obsessed, I love a legal drama.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Thoughts?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: I love it when I like it when it comes into play, but watching courtroom jousting matches by actors sometimes are a bit boring.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: I fucking love it.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it is.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: So this is a courtroom drama that ha that but it's also like sexy and shiny.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: And um so Dominic West is pi playing basically The Cheating Husband, which as as we were discussing earlier is pretty on the nose.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I But Sienna Miller is playing the The Cuckold, yeah.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: Which is on the nose for her because she was the one that was Jude cuckolded her.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, God.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's crazy actually.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I I forgot that they both oh god, they both were that.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: So they're drawing from their own experience.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: They're drawing from their own experience.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder if what's her name, that the girl who was in Mamma Mia who he cheated with will watch it.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: Which one?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: The one he was on that electric scooter with in Rome.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so Dominic West obviously famously was it like 2020?
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: 2021 or something.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: Something like that.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: It was like over over COVID, because I remember they were wearing COVID masks.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they just filmed the Pursuit of Love BBC series, which is they were riding an e-scooter in Rome together.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: So there was this Daily Mail like paparazzi photos of of him like feeding her like spaghetti and stuff.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was like yeah.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was really bad.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he's obviously married to his wife, who he's been married to for like ages, they've got four kids.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like not young kids, like young, like kids, kids who could see the internet and be like, what the fuck?
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then obviously he has to fly home as soon as these pictures come come out, and then the next day they stand outside the gate of their house.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is what was the crazy press conference.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: They organized their own press conference, and then they wrote, you remember, they wrote on A4 printer paper, like, we're very happy, like, with each other, our marriage is very is strong.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_01: She's like handed it out.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I think then he doubled down on that, and then afterwards, I think it came out, he came out, was like, look, that yeah, that was really bad that I did that.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he's like fully admitted to it, but I know that he said he's come out and been like, Yeah, I really embarrassed her, like I feel really bad, but we're stronger than ever.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: It was that was like a scene from one of these dramas when they come out and they speak to the press in the in the front lawn of their fabulous, not lawn, like driveway of their Cotswolds mansion.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, babe, just hide away for a bit.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_02: You really did some wrong.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: Firstly, you're too old for the e-scooter.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: Secondly, he's such a dirty dog.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's such a dirty dog.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: He gives me the absolute heap of jeeves.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: I find him really heap jeeb.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's well now that you now that that's happened, I feel like he will never be able to like shake that vibe.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: But he's like Swami, like Swami.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: Swami, swami, swa swami.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um he's that.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: And he even in those adverts for that bank, for the bank, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: He's even playing up to it in that.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's giving like kind of purvy down.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: He was really good as Fred West, though, I'll give him that.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: But that's yeah, this the killer.
• 55:02
  unknown: Oh.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: He was he did Fred West and he was fucking great.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: Was it because he is disgusting.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I don't know if this is libelous.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, no.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: I've got so much to I mean, so we'll watch the Odyssey sense of sensibility.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna be watching the Odyssey.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: I need to watch it, it's gonna be fucking anyway.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: On that bloody note, have you got any recommendations?
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_02: Recommendations.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, wait, I'll think of something.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um I can't think today.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it doesn't sound like there's anything on the forefront of your mind.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're all good.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing comes to mind.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing comes to mind.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_02: Nut butter, nut butter, pine nut.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's something I had oh no, I have no, I have nothing.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: My brain is snow globe that is empty.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, chaps.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much for tuning in once again.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um thanks for having me, Juliana.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: I know that you're never gonna invite me again because you think I always argue with me with you, but I hope I raise some great points.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, I couldn't tell you like uh whether that was good.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think that maybe that's it.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: But you know what haters done, hey?
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think people just um I don't think it was bad, but like that was it was anyway, it was a kill.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: Let us know what you think.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, love you guys.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hello.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_00: You really know country for the card.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because we have better things we could do.