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Becoming Anchored S2E9: How to Navigate Parenting and Body Image Concerns with Sarah Torti · Becoming Anchored

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Hey everyone.
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Welcome back to the Becoming Anchored podcast.
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We're so glad that you're here with us today.
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We're so excited.
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We've got a super fun guest.
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We're very thrilled to have her.
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We'll introduce her in just a minute, but we just wanted to, um, kind of
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bring you back along the ride with us.
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So we are a couple of therapists in the Nashville area.
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Um, we have a group private practice.
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We work with a lot of different presenting concerns, such as body image,
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eating disorders, anxiety, depression.
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Um, if you're a local to the area, we'd love to connect with you.
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Um, as you're listening to this podcast, if you realize that maybe you benefit from
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therapy, like I said, reach out to us.
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Um, if you're not local to us, reach out to someone near you who is licensed.
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Um, and just as a quick disclaimer, this is not meant to be therapy for you.
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It's really meant to just.
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Be informational and entertaining and just a conversation for you
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all to be a part of with us.
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Thanks, Lauren.
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So yeah, this is my co host, Lauren Jackson.
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My name is Laura Dineen, and we have the lovely Sarah Tortai
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on the show with us today.
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And Sarah is so dear to us and we're just so thankful for her wisdom.
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Um, and so thank you, Sarah, for being here.
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If you're new to the show, Lauren actually had the idea of starting a podcast.
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Um, a little over a year ago, and we really are just here to, we talk about
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riding the waves of life with y'all.
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And so what that means is sharing in our humanness and, um, humanity
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and vulnerability with y'all.
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Some of the kind of life lessons that we've learned and some of our lived
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experiences that we might be going through in any given season of life.
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And then we also have the amazing privilege of sitting with clients.
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on a regular basis and what a gift that is.
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And so Sarah is also a therapist and I know that she would
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fully agree with that as well.
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It's such sacred work.
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It's such, um, important work.
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And so really that's the purpose of this podcast is to share in
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our humanity and also to offer hopefully some nuggets of wisdom.
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And so Sarah, thank you so much for being here.
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We're so thrilled to have you and yeah, we're just so
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excited to learn from you today.
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Yes.
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Thank you guys so much.
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I'm just honored to share space with you guys.
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And I know we both, uh, all of us are very passionate about a lot of the same things.
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So thank you.
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Of course, of course.
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And so at the end of the show, Sarah will be sharing more about her
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practice and ways to connect with her.
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Um, but let's go ahead and get started.
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So today we're We are going to be talking about parenting and how to
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parent with the nuances of body image concerns that may arise in your children.
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And so let's just go ahead and dive right in.
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I know that this is a big topic.
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It's one I feel that needs to be addressed.
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And, um, so yeah, thank you Sarah for being here and let's
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go ahead and just dive right in.
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Thank you.
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So I know that all of us are parents.
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Sarah, I think that you are the longest, um, term parent.
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I'm trying to find the word, but you've been parenting the longest
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and then followed by Lauren and then followed by myself.
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And so, um, yeah, I would love to hear a little bit more about You as
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a person, as a parent, um, I know that I have a little, I guess she's
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almost 19 months at this point.
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Lauren has a little two and a half year old boy, and you have
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a little boy and little girl.
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Yep.
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And so, yes.
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This is just something I feel like a lot of parents in the practice, a lot
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of families that we work with, I get asked, how do I raise my children in
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this culture, in this world that we live in, in a way to almost be proactive?
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Maybe you're trying to prevent your child from developing poor
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body image or developing, God forbid, an eating disorder.
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Or maybe you are walking with your child through the throes of an eating disorder
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or perhaps disordered eating and you're wanting more support and so that's why
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you're listening to this episode today.
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So no matter where you are on your journey, we are here for it and we're here
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to share some of the things that we've learned both as parents and as teachers.
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And so Sarah, I'm like, just throwing the ball over to you.
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I'm like, yeah,
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it's such a loaded and broad topic.
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And I think, um, I think a few different things come to mind.
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I think that.
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Full disclosure, I have not successfully raised and have had my children leave
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the nest yet, but um, I think, I think it starts young in just setting an intention.
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Um, whether it's just you as a mom or ideally if you have a partner
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with your partner, what kind of culture do we want our home to have?
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You know, I think that, um,
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we have limited time where we have full control of what we
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pour into our kids before other influences start to infiltrate.
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And I think when it comes to bodies, um, having a unique family culture
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around one that values, uh, body diversity and, um, a safe place, uh,
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uh, To be loved no matter what you look like, no matter what you feel
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like, no matter what other friends say.
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Um, I think it's complicated, and I think a lot of it really
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starts beyond body image, but just the foundation of being human.
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a safe place for your kid.
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Um, I think, uh, I think about like, uh, y'all know Dan Siegel's four S's.
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Um, he talks about being, uh, seen, safe, secure, and soothed.
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And I think that even for just laying a foundation for a child's
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relationship with their body, those ingredients are so important.
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Um, for them to develop with you, but also if something does happen
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that's hard with their body, for them to be able to know you're a
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safe place to go to, to process it.
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Um, yeah, there's, there's so much more I could say.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and I'm with you and gosh, it just begs the question of like, Yeah.
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How more specifically, I love what you shared that word intention just
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feels so fundamental when we're talking about this foundation, right?
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Along with kind of this idea of like prepping your, your kids that even if
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there is something hard that happens and it's not if, right, it's when
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something hard that happens with their bodies or maybe they overhear another
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child on the playground speaking poorly about their bodies and how
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does, how do they respond to that?
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Right.
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And being able to come.
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Home and dissect that and process that with you that does require
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such safety And it's like even us it begs the question of like, okay,
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how do we cultivate that at home?
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What does that tangibly?
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Look like for our listeners.
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I think as therapists, I don't know about y'all But sometimes I can be
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like, oh, yeah Like we're creating safety and clients will ask me like
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what that actually means and what that actually looks like which is an
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important follow up question Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And Sarah, I, I like the point that you make around what if it's like,
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what if there's something that has to happen before, before body image, right?
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Because we are, we are, we have a body.
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Um, and we are bodies, but like the, there's a lot more to us.
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Than that, and I think that that's such a foundational part in our relationship
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with our kids and that kind of foundation we're setting, the culture of our
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family, the values of our family, um, and then yeah, Laura, to your point,
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safety can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people,
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and so you're kind of developing what that means in your family culture.
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And helping your children kind of grow in that or, you know, help you
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discover what that is for your family.
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Right.
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So, um, um, yeah, I think before we can instill or help develop in our kids
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what healthy body image is, I think we have to have, a relation, like a, a
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good, safe relationship with them first.
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I think that's like, so yeah, important.
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Um, um, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Lauren's talking about that, like that attachment, right.
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That we do so much work around in the therapy.
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um, space that's just so pivotal and so important.
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Yeah, I mean, I think one of the things that I encourage parents that I'm working
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with or families or one of the grief components that I'm doing with maybe older
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clients as a clinician is really talking through even their own relationship with
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their body, like my relationship with my body before I'm even talking about Mary
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Ann's relationship with her body, right?
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So that's my daughter.
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And of course, we want her to have a healthy body image, but I think it, it
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really starts like when I'm thinking about even that question, Sarah, like
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what makes this environment safe?
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It's first and foremost, like looking at as parents, this is my challenge to you.
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What your own relationship is like with body, with self, capital S, right?
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And then.
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I think this goes along with like your relationship with food too because
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we need food and hydration and all the things to nourish ourselves.
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But yeah, I mean, that's really the first kind of tangible tool because I
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certainly want our listeners today to have practical takeaways from today's session.
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And so that's really the first fundamental piece that goes into
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creating safety in the home.
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I think at least is challenging parents to do their own work around how they're
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speaking about their own bodies.
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And with that also comes how they're speaking about other
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people's bodies because like.
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Kids are such sponges.
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Like I can tell Marianne is just watching everything I do.
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Like she wants to wear my headbands.
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Lauren, I know you'll appreciate this because you're wearing a headband today
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and you're a headband guru, but she loves, she loves when I wear headbands
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and she's like trying to put it on her little baby head and it's so cute.
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Um, but yeah, I mean, she's watching everything I'm doing
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at 19 months old, which is wild.
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And so I know that y'all have some thoughts on what I'm sharing, but that
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feels just so important is like, Hey.
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We've got to work on our own body image as parents first before we can even ask
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our children to have healthy body image.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm thinking about
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even as a parent to a toddler how sometimes I'll catch myself In language
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I'm using to describe my son like with other people or when he's around because
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you know when they're taller they're growing so fast and they're changing
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so quickly and I swear he's been going through this growth spurt and he just
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looks I feel like every week he looks like a different little person in the face and
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it's like I'll stop growing up but I'll like find myself being like You Oh my
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gosh, he's getting so big or, you know, just the language that I'm using that I'm,
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I find myself kind of wanting to pause and be like, is that, is that helpful?
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Like is that, is that actually helpful language to use?
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Is there something different that I could say that could also place
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value on how he's growing and he's learning and he's developing in a
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way that will keep body neutral.
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Um, because Laura, like you said, they literally soak up every single
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little thing, everything it's wild.
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It's so wild.
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So, and I'm speaking to from being a boy mom.
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And I think a lot of the times maybe in our culture and with body image
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and whatever, we think that, Oh, only girls struggle with body image
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or only females, or you only have to worry about that with daughters.
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And, um, You know, just with the work that we do, we know that that's just not true.
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We, we, we know that body image, negative body image, eating disorders,
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disordered eating, mental health, whatever, it doesn't discriminate.
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And so being, being mindful of that, even with my two and a half
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year old son, just feels really significant and important to me.
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And so, um, and so even like just typical language we use around, you know,
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talking about like a toddler's body.
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I just, I, I find and.
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You know, I find that I pause when I use some of that language and want to
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be mindful of he's hearing this His ears are hearing this Yeah, so Yeah, gosh,
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I think it's so it's so tricky right because I think we're In developing,
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like, your own family's culture for how we view certain language that at
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school or out in the world, they might have a different experience, right?
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And, um, I know in our home, one thing we have really tried to do
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is, normalize words like big, fat, larger body as just normal parts of
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the beautiful world that we live in.
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Um, and so I think like representation does matter in what, what is happening
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in your social circles, the kind of books that you read, how you
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talk about bodies and how, um, Um, there's not just like exposure, but
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appreciation, right, for the differences, for, for the complexities of it.
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And yet your kid might still be getting a different message outside.
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And so how do we, how do we bridge that, um, gap to have some of
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those conversations, obviously in like age appropriate ways.
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over the course of time.
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Um, we were, we were driving in the car the other day and my six,
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almost seven year old boy, there, there was a turkey on the road and
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he was like out with his feathers.
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And he was like, look at that fat turkey.
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And like, just like celebrating the wonder of it.
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And, uh, you know, I think that that, that shift hasn't happened yet.
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Right.
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And, um, y'all know just living in this world with such, um, fat
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phobia and negative attitudes about different shapes and sizes.
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Like it's only a matter of time before they start to pick up on things.
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Um, I, I think another thing too that, uh, feels important with
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body image is just, As a mom, as a therapist, like widening the lens
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in that it's also about embodiment.
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Like embodiment knows no size limit and helping your child experience the wonder
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of their body through their senses.
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And nurturing and growing an appreciation for Not just the functionality of
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their body, but just the beauty of feeling the sun on their face.
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And, um, I think even those little things start to really
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build, wow, this is so cool.
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So cool to be in a body.
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Um, and I think there's a million ways you can do that.
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Right.
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But I think it's like how you model, uh, yeah.
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moving and being in a body in a way that's, uh, alive and fun.
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And, uh, like with what you're talking about, Laura, that requires,
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um, doing some deeper work, right?
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We all have a story.
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That we carry about, um, our bodies and what embodiment's a lot about
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like what you were allowed to be to, you know, and so, um, yeah,
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it's just complicated, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I love what you talked about using this word embodiment.
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And of course, this can mean so many different things to
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so many different people.
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But it really, it is countercultural in the sense that.
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of We Are Taught, and I think I actually learned this from you, Sarah, but
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we're taught to self abandon, right?
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Which is essentially like if I'm here, if you're watching this on YouTube, right?
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Like I'm making a circle with my hands and I kind of walk away from myself.
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And that can mean so many different things, whether it's using disordered
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eating behaviors or eating disorder behaviors, or Um, not grabbing a sip of
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water if I'm thirsty or not going to the restroom if I need to go to the bathroom.
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It's, so there's lots of different ways that we are taught and I would
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say even encouraged to self abandon and the beautiful part of embodiment is
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really like coming home to ourselves.
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And so back to this like circle of my hands, right?
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It's like I walked back home to myself and And of course, this is an analogy
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that I'm using, but it's really looking at how do I walk back home to myself?
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Am I worthy of getting my needs met?
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And that is, of course, all of the body image work as well.
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It's not just like what I see in the mirror.
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And so it's that deeper kind of component that you're referencing, Sarah.
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Yeah.
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So good.
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And I think that takes like a lot of practice, right?
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Like a lot of mindfulness skills, a lot of awareness.
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There's, uh, Cynthia Bulick at, she's at a UNC.
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She's done a lot of work with eating disorders, written books.
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She wrote a book many moons ago, I think it's called Woman in the Mirror, and she
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has an activity in there, um, where she has you like map out your house, like
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each room of your house, and explore some of, the body narrative in each room.
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And I think about that, I think about that as a mom, as a therapist, just, not just
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whether it be around the mirror or food, but like, what do I notice in my body?
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In each space in my house that I go, what am I creating for my child?
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In this place, right?
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I think it's like, not to like put pressure on everyone to like, Light
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some incense in the, in your room or whatever, but I think there's, there's
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a lot of, there's a lot of layer and a lot of space for play and permission
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to, if, if this, these are things you're not thinking about it to start now.
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Like there's small ways to start.
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Looking at it through a wider lens.
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Um, yeah, Lauren actually uses that, that kind of framework for
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a lot of the work that she does.
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She quite frequently talks about opening perspective.
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And I've actually snagged that from you are not used it the
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other day with the client.
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I thought of you.
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I'm going to tell you that I'm like, let's open perspective.
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And I'm like, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But it's really that idea of like the flexibility in thought processes
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and just even our worldview and opening up some of that perspective
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versus like this diet culture and fat phobia and need to kind of always be
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changing something about our bodies.
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Those are all the messages that we get on a really on a daily basis.
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And so.
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Yeah.
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with that comes like starting to be aware of.
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I think that's one piece that I'm encouraging parents to, to work on as
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well as like just starting to be aware of how many things you're interacting
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with on a daily basis, whether that's your social media feed or like you're
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in the line at the grocery store.
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I bring this example a lot.
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I have like a lot of feelings about it, but it's like you're
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seeing the magazines and they're advertising some of you fad diet or.
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However many kind of interactions, I think just starting to raise awareness
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for your own self as a parent and how your child might be experiencing
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different forms of diet culture and how that might be connected to body
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image concerns or that kind of thing just can be something to totally now.
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And that starts so young, like, I think, like, even with food,
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maybe even more than bodies, right?
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Which it all kind of is woven together.
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But, uh, You know, like how people talk about good food, bad food, and
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messages that kids get, like, Are they allowed to have this lollipop?
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Well, yeah, we, we, we eat a lot of sugar in our house, like, you know.
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Yeah, you know, I think, uh, Yeah, it's, it's, Helping people develop
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more critical thinking, right?
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About their exposure of certain inputs.
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And, uh, I think that's necessary in order to really build that family
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culture, family philosophy on doing things a little bit differently.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think something that is pretty cool about, and hopefully this feels
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encouraging to people You know, people who are listening because it feels
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encouraging to me, um, about being, you know, a parent to anybody, but
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like, especially young ones is the opportunity that we do have to help
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to really encourage them to our little ones to stay connected with, you know,
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themselves or to stay or to not, Laura, like you said earlier, self abandoned,
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because I, I, I think, or I wonder, and I wonder what you guys think about this
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too, is, you know, The more that we are disconnected from ourselves or abandoned
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from selves, probably the less positive or compassionate our body image is.
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We probably don't have the greatest view, you know, emotionally, physically,
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whatever of our bodies than when we are like fully connected, fully
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embodied, fully aware of what's going on and what our needs are.
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And so I think it's cool that as, that we can really part of that kind of family
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culture, the way we use our language and the way we talk about our bodies
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and then how we help our kids talk about their bodies, is we can really
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foster this like, hey, like, let's say, Stay connected to our, to ourselves.
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You can, you can have needs, you can cry.
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I hear you.
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You can, you can be upset.
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You can need to go to the bathroom right now.
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And I'm going to take you to the bathroom right now.
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Right.
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It's like, just like little things like that, but it's like these little moments
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really are instilling this sense of like trust with, Oh, I can trust myself when
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I need to do this thing or when I feel this way and I can get that need met.
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Um, which I think then down the line does, does foster a more positive
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image, if you will, of body.
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Um, so I think that's cool, right?
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That like, even if we didn't necessarily get that growing up, or if that wasn't
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part of our family culture growing up, that that's something that we really do
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get the opportunity to Um, help our kids learn and grow it because, you know,
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I mean, when we're born, we're we're, I think we're born pretty embodied.
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Like, I think that's kind of naturally coming to the world,
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just like crying and I need this.
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And this is how I feel.
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And so just this is, I just think it's really cool that like we
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can continue that, like we can continue, like, really helping them.
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Like grow that muscle and, and, and stay really connected with themselves.
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And that just feels super encouraging to me.
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Um, Yeah.
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We talk a lot about like hope on the, on the podcast.
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Right.
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And it's just like encouragement, hope those are.
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Interchangeable in some ways, right?
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And yeah, I love I love what you're sharing, Warren.
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And I do agree with this being born embodied, you know, just to speak to that.
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The other day we went to dinner with Marianne and then we went to
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Jenny's ice cream afterwards and she pushed it away when she was finished.
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Sorry, I've got something in my throat.
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And Sean remarked, he was like, Oh my gosh, she is such an intuitive eater.
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And it's so funny, like, you know, it's just, and we love Jenny's ice cream,
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but just to see her have that experience of like having had enough and full
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permission, we got like quesadillas and guac for dinner I think at Mojo's and
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then we went to Jenny's afterwards, but full permission to like eat to her heart's
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content and then push it away when she's finished and so I do agree with you that
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we are born embodied and then Somehow along the way we, you know, we get lost
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and there's a lot of grief and of course pain and suffering that comes with that.
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But I love this piece of encouragement and I would add to that hope that
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you're offering our listeners today.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's important, right?
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Like,
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just all of our capacity to continue to learn and grow and change as we're
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growing ourselves, supporting our kids, and I think even being a student of our
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kids and really studying their unique expressions of themselves, right?
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Like I have a little one that has some sensory challenges.
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And so some of that embodiment piece is a little, there's some,
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there's some deficits there that we're trying to support him with.
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But like, again, being that space that I think as a parent always just
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Being willing to stay curious and, um,
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whether it be with stuff going on in their bodies, stuff that's happening that
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you see impacting them, kind of going back to the attachment stuff, right?
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Like the withness and, um, safety is,
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is hopeful and we're going to mess up.
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And then there's repair, right?
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Like, I think that, I think that's a big part of safety too, is When we do
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mess up as we do, as we will, uh, that they also know that, that there's still
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repair there and that connection isn't lost and, um, they don't have to be a
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certain way in order to, to be secure.
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In our love and, um, connection.
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Yeah.
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Ash, yes.
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And I know Lauren does such a beautiful job of this too, um, just with her
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clients, you know, and, and one thing that she'll do is like, Hey, we
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have safety right here in this room.
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And I understand that you may not have experienced.
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safety outside of here, or maybe have had not as many experiences
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as we would like you to have had.
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And we're going to start here.
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And I think that's such a beautiful kind of picture about to hold just
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even in our parenting journeys as well, like, and, and repair.
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And as a recovering perfectionist, I'm like, I don't want to mess up,
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but I also know that messing up like logically, I know that messing up.
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As a parent already has happened and will happen again.
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And so I love this kind of piece of hope that you're
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offering our listeners as well.
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And yeah, I think, I think this worthiness and lovability and enoughness
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in the context of body image is really important too, because I know
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that all three of us have had, and currently have clients that have felt
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that they are not worthy of love.
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Unfortunately, from their primary caregivers because of the way they
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look and like how horrific is that?
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And, um, so that I think is just really an important message that you're
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talking about today, Sarah, is like, Hey, no matter what you look like
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and no matter what your body shape or size is, you are loved and you are
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enough and you are worthy of love.
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And there's a lot of grief if you maybe are a parent and you didn't have
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that, like Warren was talking about in your family of origin to begin with.
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Yeah, a lot of sadness.
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And, and there's also an opportunity to, to always course correct.
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Right?
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So if you're someone listening and you have, you know, you know,
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said these things to your kids that are maybe hurtful or harmful.
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We can always, like Sarah's talked about, we can always course correct.
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And there's so much encouragement in that as well.
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And so the purpose of this podcast is certainly not to shame you or to, um,
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you know, ridicule or any of that.
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It's more to offer a different perspective.
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Like we've talked about.
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Yeah.
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Thank you, Sarah, for your time today.
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It has just been a joy talking to you.
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And I know that We could have like you back for part two on parenting
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with body image and all the different Ways that that is important.
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There's so much.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So thank you for being here.
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I'm curious before we wrap with homework and an affirmation, how can
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our listeners find you anything that you want to highlight or anything
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that you want to share about yourself?
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Yeah.
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Um, so.
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I have a website, SarahTortai.
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com.
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Um, and then you can find me on, on Instagram.
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That's kind of a newer endeavor at Sarah Tortai Counseling.
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Um, my practice is in Franklin.
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So a little South of you guys.
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Um, yeah.
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Amazing.
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Y'all Sarah is just the cream of the crop and she is so wise and
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she Has been such a gift to me.
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I know to Lauren, we're just, I cannot speak highly enough of
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Sarah and the work that she does.
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And, um, I am just forever grateful for you, Sarah.
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And so I'm so glad that you've been on the show today.
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And, um, we'll, we'll certainly have you back.
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Um, and so so much.
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I'd love that.
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Thank you guys.
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Yeah.
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So Sarah, I think is actually going to close with homework.
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And then.
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Lauren is going to close with our affirmation.
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So Sarah, what homework do you have for our listeners?
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Yeah.
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I would, I would encourage if a lot of this stuff is resonating with you, or
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if you're trying to be more intentional about, um, implementing some of these
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things to, to sit down and write out just.
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core values, core, uh, descriptions of what your family culture, your philosophy
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on how we view bodies in our family.
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Um, whether it be accepting, nurturing, self compassionate, whatever comes
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up, but just, I think there's power in like putting words to paper with it.
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I love that so much.
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I'm like, I'm going to do that tonight.
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Like with Sean, I'm like, hey honey, we have some homework from Sarah.
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And I think it's, it's allowed to evolve, right?
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Like as your kids needs change or new things come up, I think, um, it's
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allowed to change and grow with you.
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Lauren, what's our, what's our affirmation to hold on to today?
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Oh, gosh.
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You know, Laura, you, what you were saying earlier, I felt like
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was a beautiful affirmation.
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Just how we're all, no matter what we look like, we're all worthy of
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love and safety and connection.
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And so I, I want to just repeat that to everybody listening, whoever is
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listening, no matter what you look like or your shape or your size or your
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color or whatever, you are so deeply worthy of love and safety, right?
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Safety's been a big thing in our conversation.
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Um, and you are capable of creating that environment for
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your family and for your kids.
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Um, so I'm going to leave that with you guys.
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Yeah, what a sweet time today.
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Thank you Sarah for being here.
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Thank you guys Thank you for being on the show.
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And yeah, we will see you next time for the Becoming Anchor podcast.
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Y'all take care.
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Bye