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BREAKING NEWS: FBI Investigating New Letter Sent to Media | What Happened to Nancy Guthrie? · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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We've got some late breaking news out of Tucson.
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A new letter has been received by KOLDA local news station out
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there in Tucson, who has forwarded, forwarded the letter
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on to investigators who are investigating now.
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A very special thank you to those in the live chat before we
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began this live stream for letting me know about this so
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that I could go and grab that news for you.
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We're going to get into that and a bunch of other stuff.
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Stick with me. This video contains mature
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themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there, my friend.
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Welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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Gavin Fish. Thank you very much for joining
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me. Tell me where you're joining me
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from in the comments and in the live chat.
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I'd love to know where you are around this world of ours.
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We've got some late breaking news.
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As I already said in the cold open, I'm just going to take us
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straight over to the KOLD Channel 13 News website out of
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Tucson. This this video at the top
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appears to be from last night. And this is an article that was
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published back on the 1st, but it was just updated 5 minutes
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ago. The dateline is Tucson 13 News
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received a new message regarding the Nancy Guthrie disappearance.
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13 News forwarded the message to law enforcement Friday afternoon
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and the Pima County Sheriff's Department quickly issued the
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following statement. Quote.
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The FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department are aware
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of the new message regarding Nancy Guthrie.
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Investigators are actively inspecting the inspecting the
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information provided in the message for its authenticity.
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The Pima County Sheriff's Department said everyone is
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still asked to call 88 Crime or 1800 Call FBI with any
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information, photos or videos connected to the case.
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The FBI said a $50,000 reward is being offered.
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We learned that yesterday for information leading to the
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recovery of Nancy Guthrie or an arrest in the case.
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I think they said an arrest and successful prosecution.
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Also on Friday, Senator Mark Kelly showed up at the Pima
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County Sheriff's Department headquarters and talked with 13
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News about the case. I'm sorry, I was about to say
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something so cynical. I was about to say something so
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cynical. I'm going to say it.
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You can always count on a politician to be right where the
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cameras are. But you know what?
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I have a lot of respect for Senator Kelly.
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Let's see what he had to say here to News 13.
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Hopefully you guys can hear this.
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OK, let me just turn up my system as high as it'll go.
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I've. Been doing a great job, I was in
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contact. With, that's as high as it'll
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go. About this, he has hundreds of
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his deputies investigating this case, working 24/7, you know, on
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this. If this case can be solved
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between the sheriff and the FBI, I've got tremendous confidence
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that they'll be able to look, figure this out and bring her
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home. Absolutely.
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And I mean, obviously we've also seen a lot of federal
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involvement with President Trump, even saying that the,
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the, the Guthrie family, the, the Sheriff's Department has the
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full force of the, of federal law enforcement.
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I mean, do you think that is the the right approach?
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Here 100% and then she's she's, you know, 84 years old, she's
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got health conditions. But regardless of that, you
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know, when somebody is kidnapped in, you know, this way, yeah, I
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want to see the FBI involved and I want to see the local law
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enforcement do everything they possibly can.
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And that's what we're seeing here.
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Well. Thank you so much.
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Thank you. Appreciate it would.
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You mind with you division we. Went to.
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Claudia, nice to meet. You, Claudia, It's my
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daughter's. Name.
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Oh, really? OK, so Senator Kelly's there.
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He's just basically saying that he has utmost confidence in the
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sheriff and in the FBI. Now, one of the one of the
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things that came up early on and my coverage of this, it probably
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happened elsewhere too. I'm I'm sure it did.
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Was the criticism or I, I guess the sentiment that would the FBI
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be involved if my mom was kidnapped?
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The answer to that question is yes.
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Yes, they would almost undoubtedly the FBI has field
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offices all over the fruited plain and they're they don't
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just, they don't just sit there waiting for federal crimes to
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happen. They one of their purposes is to
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assist with local law enforcement.
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So while this case is getting a lot of national attention, I, I
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mean, in my opinion, it's not because of the national
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attention that the FBI is involved.
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And I mean, other than just really, I guess admiring the
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Bureau for a couple of reasons. One, because my uncle was a, an
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agent and I always, I always held him up as some sort of
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hero. He was a, he was a special agent
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for his entire career. And, and I, I just love the FBI
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because of that. I also have known several FBI
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agents throughout my, my life, my adult life, and I've always
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been really, really impressed with the Bureau for doing what
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they do. So just a quick recap of the
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breaking news. 13 News in Tucson received a new message regarding
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the Nancy Guthrie disappearance. They forwarded the message to
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law enforcement Friday afternoon and the Pima County Sheriff's
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Department quickly issued the following statement.
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Quote. The FBI and Pima County
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Sheriff's Department are aware of the new message regarding
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Nancy Guthrie. Investigators are actively
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inspecting the information provided in the message for its
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authenticity, and they are asking anyone who may have
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photos, videos or information connected to the case to call 88
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Crime or 1800 call FBI now while while let me I want to just look
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up one other thing while we are while we're on the Internet.
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I have a terrible habit of looking at my fingers while I am
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typing. I just wanted to see if anything
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else had been posted to Savannah Guthrie's Instagram account.
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It appears not. You guys will remember that this
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was posted yesterday by Cameron Guthrie.
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Cameron Guthrie, I'm speaking for the Guthrie family.
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Whoever is out there holding our mother, we want to hear from
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you. We haven't heard anything
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directly. We need you to reach out and we
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need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward.
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But first we have to know that you have our mom.
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We went to talk to you and we are waiting for contact.
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So this was 23 hours ago. This happened while we were live
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streaming yesterday. And I mean, I don't think that
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it's too big of a stretch to imagine that after they put out
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this video, after they put out the previous video that that
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we've all watched. And then then of course, this
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video, maybe maybe it's not that big of a stretch to imagine that
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the the ransomers, the kidnappers sent a new message in
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to to 13 news to KOLD in Tucson. Now, what were the things that
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that he said? Well, we can watch it one more
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time. But basically they're like, we
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don't know that she's alive. We need proof of life.
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I think they said that in the other video and we have no way
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to talk to you. Hello, let's do it one more
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time. This is Cameron Guthrie.
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I'm speaking for the Guthrie family.
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Whoever is out there holding our mother, we want to hear from
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you. We haven't heard anything
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directly. We need you to reach out and we
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need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward.
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But first, we have to know that you have our mom.
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We want to talk to you and we are waiting for contact.
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OK, so there he said it in that one too.
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OK, we need to be able to talk to you and we need to know that
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you have our mom very, very, very fluid situation and and a
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scary one and a high stakes one as well.
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I have a couple of other pieces of information, a couple piece
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of media that I want to share with you guys, but I want to
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just check in to see where everybody is.
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Let's see. Bum bum, bum bum bum bum.
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Marietta, GA is here. Thank you very much.
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Marietta, Sunny San Jose is here.
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Austin, TX North Carolina Northeast Pennsylvania Wild
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wanderer. I we're going to get to this
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great comment. I'm I have the Harvey Levin
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video that we're going to that we're going to check out.
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Erie, PA is here. Eastern Kentucky, Eastern North
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Carolina, Colorado. The UK is in the house.
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San Bruno, CA, Jacksonville, FL, Wyoming, Jersey Shore, Texas,
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Southern Indiana, Terre Haute IN Lake or Fort Lauderdale or Fort
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Liquor Dale, Northwest Iowa, Kentucky, Kentucky, Texas,
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Virginia, so many New Zealand also in the house.
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So thank you very much for being here.
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OK, let me wrong button, Gavin. Wrong button.
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Let me go back to the comment from Wild Wanderer.
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Maybe we should start there. Yeah, also said there was either
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a time frame it would take to get Nancy back to us on the
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named multiple states she could be in.
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OK, I think what Wild Wanderer is talking about is a video that
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was published to TMZ. This I got from X their their X
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account. I think it's about fourish
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minutes, something like that. It's 5 1/2 minutes actually.
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So remember that TMZ and two other, a total of 3 two other
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news stations in the Tucson area received the the first ransom
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letter that we learned yesterday is a bona fide actual.
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Well, no, I shouldn't say it that way.
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The the letter is the same. All three media outlets received
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the same letter and that they're taking it seriously.
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The FBI agent in charge, special agent in charge, what was it
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Yankee or Yankee said that they have in their position is to
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advise and to assist the Guthrie family.
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But it is ultimately up to the Guthrie's to decide what it is
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that they are going to do when when faced with a possible
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ransom. Now, because TMZ is one that
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received the letter, I have not read the letter.
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I haven't seen any other place that has read the letter.
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And they have not published the letter.
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They've just talked about it. So here is Harvey Levin talking
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about the letter and some of the things that it said.
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This is the first letter. Now we have 2 right.
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Here we go I looked at this alleged ransom note 20 times
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last night and there was something that peaked my
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interest from the beginning and I believe now that there is a
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way of connecting the dots and that law enforcement has an area
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that they are most interested in in terms of where Nancy might
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be. If this letter is legit, and I
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say it for this reason, that obviously the person who took
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Nancy, if this is the person who wrote this ransom letter,
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they're demanding money and if they get the money, they're
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saying they will return her. That's obvious, right?
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Well, in the letter it says they would return her back to Tucson.
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So they also give a time frame of how long it would take after
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they received the money to return her to Tucson.
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So there's a time frame. Now, if you look at the time
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frame, then you say, well, you can draw a circle around Tucson
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to see how long maximum it would take to get her back there.
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And she's not going to. They're not going to fly her
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back because the last thing they're going to do is go to an
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airport where Nancy Guthrie shows ID.
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That's not going to happen. So clearly it would be driving,
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and they're not going to drive at 100 miles an hour because if
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they get stopped for speeding, it's over.
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So they're going to go around the speed limit.
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So let's say that if this letter is legit, they would travel at
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about 60 miles an hour. So based on this time frame in
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the letter and the fact that she would be returned back to
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Tucson, here's the way it looks. If you look, this is Tucson
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right here. If you look at this red circle,
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that is the radius of the maximum amount of time it would
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take to get her back to Tucson. All around this circle, it
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incorporates California, Nevada, Utah, Idaho.
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It incorporates Colorado, Wyoming, even Mexico, Texas, a
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slice of Kansas, and a slice of Oklahoma.
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Now that's a big area for sure, but it is not the full United
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States. It's not the world.
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At least it's a defined area. And again, if the letter is
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legitimate, then it would seem based on the amount of time
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maximum it would take to bring her back to Tucson, it's this
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area that I would think authorities are most interested
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in. And remember, they are looking
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for anybody who possibly has information on the whereabouts
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of Nancy Guthrie. So there's a $50,000 reward for
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information leading to her return.
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So I would think that this area is particularly interesting to
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them. Want to say a couple of other
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things. The letter, you know, people
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have been asking, does it seem like it's written by just a
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crazy person? And the answer is no.
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This letter was very well constructed.
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It had structure. It had a beginning, middle and
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end. It it, it was well done.
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I mean, if you took this letter to an English teacher and said,
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give me notes on structure, on grammar, you probably would get
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no notes back. It's done by somebody I believe
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who is educated and really spent time.
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This was not something that took 5 minutes to write.
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This was a well constructed letter.
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Final thing I want to say, and now this is opinion that it is
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interesting to me that we got this ransom letter, but also the
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other two media outlets that got the ransom letters were both
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located in Tucson. They were television stations in
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Tucson. So why would somebody who wrote
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a letter like this know about the local stations and send to
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the local stations if they have no connection to Tucson?
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It feels like there was a connection to Tucson with the
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person who wrote the letter. And you know, a lot of people
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are saying, well, it happened because Savannah Guthrie is rich
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and famous. Real quick, it feels that way
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too, that somebody is connected to Tucson because they said we'd
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bring her back to Tucson instead of saying we would bring her to
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Tucson. That that to me that feels a
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little more familiar. But let's continue with what
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Harvey is saying she is. But is it that somebody looked
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at Savannah Guthrie and said, let's find a relative?
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Or is it somebody who lives in the Tucson area and knows either
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knows Nancy Nancy Guthrie or knows of her and knows her
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famous daughter is Savannah Guthrie?
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And it hatches from that, it seems to me just based on where
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the letter went, that it's the latter.
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So the bottom line here, I know that the law enforcement has
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been saying they are desperate for clues and they clearly are.
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But just in terms of the people who might help, I think heads up
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in this area. OK, So that that is what Harvey
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Levin said it was earlier today on TMZ's X account.
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Now returning back to the subject at hand with the
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breaking news. This this one coming from
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arizonafamily.com says Arizona's Family sister station KOLD 13
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News in Tucson has received a second message that appears to
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be the same from the same persons previously claiming to
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have abducted Nancy Guthrie. Station staff received the
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message. This has a little bit more
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information. Received the message on Friday
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morning, which was sent to law enforcement along with the IP
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address. While it did not have the same
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IP address as the previous message, it appeared that the
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sender used the same type of secure server to hide their real
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IP address, also known as AVPN. Specific details are not being
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released out of respect for the family.
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However, the new note reportedly contains information that will
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prove to investigators that it is the same person or group who
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sent the first message earlier in the week.
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The Pima County Sheriff's Department released the
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following statement on Friday afternoon, which we have read
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twice, but I'm going to read one more time.
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The FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department are aware
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of a new message regarding Nancy Guthrie.
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Investigators are actively inspecting the information
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provided in the message for its authenticity.
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While this is 1 new piece of information, the FBI and Pima
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County Sheriff's Department are still asking anyone with tips to
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contact the FBI at 1800 Call FBI.
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The FBI continues to offer a reward of up to $50,000 for
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information leading to the recovery of Nancy Guthrie and or
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the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her
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disappearance. I want to talk a little bit
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about. The idea and we'll get to this,
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but the idea that there's likely more than one, at least in my
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opinion, I think, yeah. The latest message arrived a day
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after today show host Savannah Guthrie's brother Cameron
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renewed the family's plea for their mother's possible
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kidnapped or to contact them. We just watched that video.
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So yeah, that's that is. Oh, they're reporting that
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authorities made an arrest after one ransom note turned out to be
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fake. But I don't I don't think they
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said it was a note that turned out to be fake, but I might be
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wrong on that one. I know that there was an arrest
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for an imposter is what the FBI described them as.
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So it's a developing story. We will check back for updates.
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I just want to see it was updated 5 minutes ago.
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Let's see if, let's see what is new here.
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Shortly after 4:00 PM, the Pima County Sheriff's Department
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confirmed that they were conducting follow up at the
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Guthrie home and surrounding areas.
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Arizona's Family crews witnessed more law enforcement arriving
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shortly after word spread of the possible second ransom note.
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So they've they've updated that. See if there's anything else in
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there that has been updated. It doesn't look like it yet.
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Let me. Let's see.
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Let's see what they're reporting here.
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Just a second. Verily.
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Thoroughly. I'm Jamie Seretta, we are in day
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six in the search for 84 year old Nancy Guthrie in Southern
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Arizona. She is the mother of Today Show
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host Savannah Guthrie. We have just received moments
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ago new information from the FBI and Piedmont County Sheriff's
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Department about a new message regarding Nancy that our sisters
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station in Tucson received. Our Vanessa Risa is live in
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Tucson with the latest on this case.
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Vanessa, what do we know? Well, Jamie, this is very fluid
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information that is coming through, coming to us within the
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past 10 minutes. We are not going to release what
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was said in that message or any details out of respect for the
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Guthrie family. But we have been told that
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investigators are looking very thoroughly through this message
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to see if there is any validity behind it and any details that
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may help them for their search for 84 year old Nancy Guthrie.
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The search does continue, as does the concern as to her
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whereabouts. The Pima County Sheriff's
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Department yesterday holding a press conference saying that
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they are not going to be holding another one unless there is
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reason to believe that there is information that needs to get
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out to the public. I wonder if this will make them
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do another press conference. They are asking people to please
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send their sincerities, their regards, their condolences on
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social media because they have been inundated with calls to
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their non-emergency number. They say they need that number
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to be open just for the mere fact of there is important
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information that does. People, Does that mean people
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are calling in the Sheriff's Office with condolences?
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Don't do that, people. Don't do that.
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Come through now, We are here live in front of Nancy Guthrie's
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daughter's home. It's not too far away from
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Nancy's home and if you did not see the media out here, you
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would think it was any other day.
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That is very far from the truth and where we stand here on Day
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6. As the search continues for
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Nancy Guthrie, we do know that she has medical conditions and
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she needs her medication. Investigators have been actively
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calling pharmacies to see if they can get any information
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that may give them any indication as to where she may
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be. Sheriff Chris Nano said that
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they are still holding out hope that she is still out there.
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Now, again, Pima County Sheriff's Department saying that
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they were not planning to hold a press conference today or a
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press briefing. But given the information that
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we've just received within the past 10 minutes, with the FBI
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and the Sheriff's Department receiving that note, that may
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soon change. This is Cameron Guthrie.
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I'm speaking for the Guthrie family.
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So, yeah, so that that is the breaking news.
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Let me check in. Let's bring up a picture of
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Nancy here. Guys, if you have any tips,
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tips, videos, photos, call, you know, call the 800, call FBI
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number, call the 88 crime number, call the Pima County
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Sheriff's Office. But if you're just calling to
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say you support them, you're behind them, you want what's
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best, you know, condolences to the family.
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Please don't call those numbers. Don't don't inundate those lines
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with those kinds of calls. If you have tips, definitely,
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definitely make those calls. Let me, let me take a moment
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here to just check in to see what you guys are saying.
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And I apologize if I miss anybody's comment.
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There are a lot of comments coming in and my system
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refreshes every once in a while. Wild Wanderer says the Catalina
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Foothills Association sent a letter to all the neighbors.
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Lynn Taylor. Why was no one notified
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immediately when the pacemaker was disconnected?
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Family hospital monitoring system, company, etcetera.
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I don't know how those work. I would have to talk to an
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expert on that. Keep in mind that it was the
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middle of the night. So, and, and I should point out,
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we don't know that nobody was notified immediately.
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There's just so much that they are withholding from us on
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purpose and for good reason that we don't know a lot of things.
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It's possible that people were notified.
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I do not know. Osaka, Japan.
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In the House. Colorado.
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Virginia. Albuquerque.
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Eastern Washington. Nyack, NY Kokomo IN central
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Ohio. Iceland is here.
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Camas WA Lakewood, Co Worst Worcester, Mass.
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Texas is here. Central Florida.
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Kannapolis. Downtown Buenos Aires.
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El Centro de Buenos Aires. No me.
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Vegas. Welcome.
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Glad you are here. Let's see what else we have.
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Kevin. I saw the Harvey Levin map look
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like 1000 mile radius. And you know, I was trying to
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figure that out myself. Just, I mean, it was a
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handwritten map, but that that works out to be 16 hours ish.
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He said it took sixth. They would drive 60 miles an
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hour, you know, so, OK, they're sick.
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They're within 16 hours, I guess, according to to Harvey
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Brian and posted a short video of the Sheriff's Department
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shutting down the road by Nancy's house and moving the
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media out just recently. I, I do really respect Brian and
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let me let me see if we can see that video real quick.
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Give me a moment while I Let's see, did he do it live?
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So something interesting is happening outside the house.
28:11
So all of these sheriff's deputies showed up and they are
28:15
now you see down there that they are closing off the road and
28:19
they're making all the media leave this block.
28:22
So we're not going to be able to be in front of the house
28:24
anymore. They said this is for
28:26
investigation reasons and. They wouldn't, by the way, the
28:31
media would push back on this if because they have a right to be
28:37
there unless it is being closed off for the investigation.
28:41
If if the police are just like we just don't want you here, the
28:45
media would would tell them to kick rocks.
28:47
I can I can tell you this is a bit of a tangent is a tangent.
28:52
Let's do a tangent. I, I once went to the scene of,
29:02
of a death that ended up being self-inflicted.
29:05
And as a, a member of the media, I was nowhere near the crime
29:10
scene. I, I, well, I was nowhere inside
29:13
the crime scene. I was near the crime scene and
29:15
the police came and bullied me on that.
29:18
And, and I challenged like, no, no, no, no.
29:22
We have freedom of the press in this country.
29:24
I can do whatever it is that I want.
29:26
And they're like, no, you cannot be here then.
29:29
And I said, then you need to arrest me.
29:31
But I would call your captain or your chief before you do that.
29:36
I'm not moving, right? And the media would not move if
29:40
they felt like they had a right to be there.
29:44
But if it is for investigative purposes, sure, they'll move
29:48
them out. Power.
29:49
So we don't know what they're about to do with the house, but
29:51
they don't want the media in front of the house anymore.
29:55
So basically everybody out here has been told to pack up and
30:00
he's she's she's saying they need room.
30:02
Hey guys, so some break. So something interesting is
30:05
happening outside the house. So all of these sheriff's
30:07
deputies showed up and they are now you see down there, they are
30:12
closing off the road and they're making all the media leave this
30:17
block. So we're not going to be able to
30:18
be in front of the house anymore.
30:19
They said this is for investigation reasons and we got
30:24
the power. So we don't know what they're
30:26
about to do with the house, but they don't want the media in
30:29
front of the house anymore. So basically everybody out here
30:32
has been told to pack up and he's she's she's saying they
30:38
need room for their investigators cooperation.
30:41
Very, very much. Oh, you bet.
30:48
She said they need room for their investigators to do what
30:51
they need to do. So something is about to happen
30:53
out here from an investigative standpoint and we're all going
30:57
to have to move. But it's interesting that they
30:59
had the crime scene in the beginning, they took it down.
31:01
They had another crime scene, they took it down, and now they
31:03
are apparently going to be doing more out here.
31:06
So something interesting. OK, good coverage, Mr. Anton.
31:10
He he always does a terrific job.
31:13
Let's let's bring up Nancy's photo again.
31:17
Remember, if you have tips 1800 call FBI and or 88 crime New
31:24
Jersey is here bringing Nancy home.
31:25
This is sad and scary indeed. Chasing sunshine sure are some
31:32
contradictions in the timeline of initial notice of Nancy
31:35
missing time is ticking. Well, I think that the timeline
31:38
is incomplete for sure. I was checking my notes from
31:43
yesterday and there is a there is about a 45 minute time period
31:57
from the time the first doorbell camera disconnects to the time
32:01
the pacemaker disconnects. And and we're going to watch a
32:06
video on that here in just a minute.
32:08
But that that did strike me as like this doesn't seem like a
32:13
regular breaking and entering or a smash and grab, right?
32:17
Seems like somebody who will take their time know what
32:20
they're doing. Yes, Miss Chiva's Dragon, 60
32:27
miles an hour, 10 hours will be 600 miles indeed.
32:32
Couple more here from Scotland. Some of the glasses on top of
32:39
the blood droplets also, I had not noticed that.
32:45
That does look like you're right.
32:47
I can see that in the upper corner there some of the glass
32:51
is there and see that see that right there?
33:01
Well, maybe maybe it's a like a tumbleweed or you know, a piece
33:06
of a, a dry piece of vegetation. I don't know.
33:10
I do not know. A couple more comments before we
33:14
go to the next thing here. I wonder if something in that
33:18
second note to to KOLD made specific claims that only Nancy
33:26
Guthrie would know. So they went back to the home to
33:28
check on whatever was in the note that was received just
33:31
today. Maybe that's exactly what
33:32
they're doing. Andy Isham feels unwelcome here.
33:39
Well, I don't know why. You're.
33:41
You're welcome. Well put together letter.
33:46
son-in-law is a teacher. OK, South Wales is in the house.
33:51
Very cool, very cool. OK, so let me go to another
33:55
video. This one is from Fox News.
33:57
It was about, I don't know, 20 minutes long, but I have edited
34:01
it so it's down to about 7 minutes.
34:07
Fox News had on a retired New York City inspector who had some
34:13
pretty good insights that I hadn't thought of.
34:17
I mean, only somebody trained in law enforcement maybe would
34:20
think of these things or, or people that have just been true
34:23
crime aficionados for way longer than me.
34:26
But I thought it was interesting.
34:27
I wanted to share. Oh, you know what though, before
34:31
we get into this, there has been the talk of the white van.
34:37
I, I, I don't know that there's anything necessarily nefarious
34:41
about the white van, but let's just read it because he's going
34:44
to mention this here in just a minute.
34:47
This, this is an article from last night.
34:50
It was updated this morning. Nancy Guthrie's neighbor
34:53
reported suspicious white van parked on block days before
34:56
Nancy went missing. Neighbors of Nancy Guthrie
34:59
reported spotting A suspicious white van blah, blah blah in the
35:01
days before. Guthrie's neighbor Brett
35:03
McIntyre told The Post on Thursday that he reported the
35:06
unmarked Van de Peep to the police, who asked him basic
35:10
questions about what he observed in the days leading up to the
35:13
disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's mother.
35:15
It was somewhere on that street. It was a white van, full size
35:18
with no printing on the sides. It was parked on the streets of
35:20
McIntyre, who lives across from Nancy.
35:22
Normally people that are coming to work on your home will have a
35:25
company vehicle or they're independent, something written
35:27
on it. From now on when I'm going out
35:30
and about, I'll have a paper and pen and record everything.
35:33
So anyway, this neighbor reported seeing a an unmarked
35:37
white van, full size van. I don't know as as a former IT
35:46
guy who owned a company that performed IT services for mostly
35:53
medical facilities. We just had white vans man.
35:59
I didn't. I didn't have signage on all the
36:05
vans all the time and with van life, there are lots of white
36:09
vans out there. But anyway, they mentioned it,
36:12
so I wanted to mention that. And then let's take a look at
36:15
this video while I look to see if there's anything updated and
36:19
let me know in the comments if you see any updates.
36:21
Here we go. Fox News contributor, retired
36:24
NYPD Inspector Paul Morrow, who is live in the Sheriff's
36:28
Department over in Tucson. Paul, your reaction from what
36:32
we've known when we find out overnight, what do you expect
36:35
him to focus on today? Well, you know, one of the
36:40
things that the sheriff said at that press conference yesterday
36:43
is that they're not going to give any more press conferences
36:45
unless they have something. I should say that this this was
36:48
broadcast this morning. Concrete, he characterized where
36:52
they are in the current stage of the investigation as the
36:56
analysis phase. That is to say, they're waiting
36:58
for data to come back and they're waiting for the analysis
37:02
of the data that they have. That tells me that they're
37:05
looking very hard at a lot of digital stuff.
37:07
They probably, if I had a guest, have gotten into her phone by
37:11
now. They probably have dumped some
37:13
other stuff, maybe her Wi-Fi server.
37:15
She has a computer in her house. They're looking for anomalies.
37:19
And let's remember some something else, Brian, according
37:21
to the timeline that we got yesterday, something that jumped
37:24
out at me, there's a 41 minute gap from where you can probably
37:29
say probably the intruder is in the house and then she leaves
37:35
because that's when her pacemaker disconnects from that
37:37
app. 41 minutes is a long time for an abduction.
37:41
What was going on? Was this actually a burglary
37:43
gone bad? Was somebody looking through the
37:45
house and she woke up? It strikes me that 41 minutes, a
37:49
potential digital footprint, that kind of thing, I think is
37:52
what they're pulling out now. And we may not know for a few
37:54
days at least. Yeah, Paul, it looks like the
37:57
son-in-law was the last one to see her and he dropped her off.
38:03
According to reports, they played games.
38:06
Her daughter, who's also married to the, to the guy who dropped
38:09
her off, they played games. They had dinner.
38:12
He took his mother-in-law back home, dropped her off, watched
38:15
her go in the house. Have they tracked his car?
38:17
Have they been able to? Because I know in some some
38:19
cases if it's a updated car, they can find the car through
38:23
GPS if they tracked that. And also, where's her car?
38:27
Did her car ever leave? And what do you know about this
38:30
white van that was found the the neighbor saw a white van parked
38:33
outside on the street that was unmarked?
38:38
So, so far, we haven't heard any, excuse me any further about
38:41
the white van relative to her car.
38:42
My understanding is that it hadn't left.
38:45
As we've heard, she had an Uber driver who had been driving her
38:48
around at least in during the day of, and you have to suspect
38:52
that that was a fairly regular thing.
38:54
That's another digital thing that they're almost certainly
38:56
going to be checking out. They can go to Uber, but they
38:59
can also go to the credit card company.
39:00
They should do financials. They should see if she's had any
39:03
unusual pattern of payment to somebody.
39:05
She was having some work done on the House, something like that
39:08
relative to the brother in laws car because he was the last
39:11
person. Yeah, most cars these days do
39:14
have some version of a GPS. Remember the Alex Murdoch case?
39:18
One of the things that sunk Alex Murdoch was that they were able
39:21
to track the movement of the car where he said it had not been
39:25
doing things he said he had not done.
39:27
And so that was one of the pieces of evidence against him.
39:30
I'm very sure that they will be going hard at that unless it's
39:33
an older car, unless you're dealing with somebody who's
39:37
very, very cyber savvy. But we don't know that the
39:39
brothers, the suspected brother-in-law I should say, is
39:41
a suspect in any way, shape or form here.
39:44
This, this is reminding me, you know, one of the things that we
39:47
haven't talked about very much is the idea of geofencing.
39:51
What what happens in a geofence? And, and it's not like I am a
39:55
cybersecurity expert. I only know about geos fencing
39:59
in, in the context of of my business.
40:03
But basically what and from reporting on crime, right,
40:08
reporting from the courthouse. But basically what what they do
40:12
is they put up a virtual fence around an area and then they
40:17
look at as they do it as a way to filter out.
40:23
Any digital evidence that did not go inside that particular
40:28
area? And it can get granular, man.
40:30
Sometimes it's a radius, sometimes it's based on, you
40:35
know, cell towers and and like network connectivity devices.
40:43
Sometimes they can get freaking granular and say, you know, and
40:47
say like they put up a wall, a fence around and just tell me
40:51
anybody who goes in that area. So by doing that, especially if
40:57
they look back in the past, if people had cell phones and they
41:02
came into the area and they were casing the joint, they were
41:05
planning this and they came in and they hadn't been in there
41:08
before and they hadn't been in there since.
41:10
Or perhaps they went in that night or whatever.
41:14
They're able to go through and figure out, OK, who has been in
41:18
this area and do they have a reason to be in this area.
41:21
That's what that's part of what he's talking about here.
41:24
They are going to analysts are going to be going back and
41:28
looking at so much digital forensic evidence to figure out
41:35
which one here is not like the others, right?
41:37
Which one does not belong. All right.
41:40
I did look up the X account of KOLD and we have reported
41:45
everything that we know so far. Nothing new has come out that
41:48
I've seen so far. Very.
41:50
Very. Clear.
41:51
They're not ruling anyone in or they're ruling anybody out, and
41:55
that's one of the issues here. They have to cast a very wide
41:57
net. The problem I saw last night,
42:01
yesterday, excuse me, that was very subtle, was that at one
42:03
point, very casually, the sheriff said we're going to be
42:06
putting up billboards around the county to try to get more tips
42:10
and to sensitize people to the situation.
42:13
You don't put up billboards if you feel that you're close right
42:15
now. The real conundrum about that
42:17
letter is that it provided no means of contact, contact with
42:21
the perpetrators. I've done a lot of ransomware
42:23
cases and they're always at least two pieces of software
42:27
that are involved here, the malevolent software that
42:30
penetrates the system and seizes it.
42:32
But then there's a follow on piece of software that's used
42:35
for clandestine communications, like a better term, safe
42:38
communication, better way to put it, the perps know how to
42:41
communicate so that it's completely untraceable.
42:44
And that's a whole separate piece of computer wear, for lack
42:47
of a better term. And in this case, it's not
42:50
there. You also seem to have seem to
42:53
have an English speaker. Now look, AI is awfully good.
42:56
You know, AI can write. It sounds just like an English
42:59
writer. So I don't know, you know, how
43:01
much we can. Real quick Chase and Sunshine's
43:03
comment. Why would she need to open the
43:07
garage if not driving? That might just be the way that
43:10
she enters the house. Like, not all of us go into the
43:14
front door, right? A lot of people have little
43:18
keypads or key fobs or whatever, and just opening up the garage
43:23
door is the easiest way in the house.
43:24
So for me, that didn't seem all that suspicious.
43:27
How much weight we can put in that.
43:29
But that said, assuming it is an English writer, the fact that
43:32
it's well structured and everything else, to me, the fact
43:35
that there's no way to get ahold of them because of course you're
43:38
not going to pay until they give you the protocols for how to
43:41
hand her back. Because you don't know who
43:43
you're dealing with. And you only may have one shot
43:45
at this. If you pay the whole ransom and
43:47
then the real people come forward and you're out of money,
43:50
you got a real problem. So I got to say I, I'm I also
43:54
the real this positive thing here is what is in the letter,
43:56
because there's been a lot of disparate reporting.
43:58
What is in the letter that can serve as a proof of the fact
44:01
that they were in that house? You know, is there this stuff
44:05
about the floodlight, the watch? You know, remember there's
44:07
images of her wearing the watch online.
44:09
And that's one of the things I would be doing.
44:11
LJ by the way, those images of her online.
44:14
I've seen at least one of her wit Savannah, I would get my
44:17
tech guys and hammer that website.
44:19
Who's been hitting that website? Can you identify any out of
44:22
country IPS that have been hitting that website?
44:25
Somebody hitting it continuously recently, stuff like that to try
44:28
to contextualize this letter to see if it's legit.
44:31
Let me break in here. Wild one.
44:34
Thank you very much for giving me this lead.
44:37
Let me bring you over to NBC News's website.
44:40
This is from 12 minutes ago. Police probing leads about a
44:44
vehicle. Law enforcement officials in
44:48
Arizona are searching for a vehicle or vehicles that may be
44:52
connected to the Nancy Guthrie investigation, NBC News has
44:57
learned. A Circle K spokesperson told NBC
45:00
News that law enforcement visited one of their stores on
45:03
Oracle Rd. in Tucson after, quote, receiving a tip regarding
45:08
a vehicle of interest. And our team has provided them
45:11
access to the stores surveillance video close.
45:15
Quote, officials haven't said if the vehicle or vehicles are
45:19
definitely connected to any part of the crime or if that lead has
45:23
since evaporated. That came in about what, 12
45:28
minutes ago, 15 minutes ago. Let's see if anything else has
45:31
come in since. And let me, I'm going to let's
45:36
bring up Nancy Guthrie real quick.
45:38
And let me just go to CNN. They're doing a pretty darn good
45:41
job doing live updates. See if this is This is from
45:50
three. Minutes ago.
45:51
Authorities resumed search in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood,
45:54
sheriff says. The Pima County Sheriff's
45:58
Department and the FBI are resuming searches of the home of
46:01
Nancy Guthrie near Tucson, AZ and surrounding areas, according
46:05
to the sheriff and a Community Association.
46:08
The Catalina Foothills Association, where there's a new
46:11
update We'll check in just a second, said it received notice
46:14
that the Sheriff's Department and the FBI would resume
46:16
searches in the area immediately, adding it was
46:20
deeply shaken and heartbroken by Guthrie's apparent abduction in
46:23
a letter to residents. Our heart goes out to her
46:26
family. Catalina Foothills Association
46:28
President Will Pugh wrote in the letter.
46:30
Within an hour of the FBI and the Sheriff's Department
46:32
announcing they are investigating the authenticity
46:35
of a new message which goes to another another article about
46:42
Guthrie, authorities arrived at her home and cordoned off the
46:44
street, pushing everyone away from the premises.
46:47
CN NS Ed Levendera reported from the scene.
46:50
Authorities told CNN they were blocking off the area for
46:53
investigative purposes without providing further details.
46:56
And we saw Brian Anton's video on that less than a minute ago.
47:02
CNN updates and says investigators will be closely
47:06
evaluating what is written in this new message related to
47:09
Nancy Guthrie to determine if it's real.
47:11
CNN analysts say, OK, so it's their analyst.
47:15
They're going to take their time to go through this note because
47:17
they know everybody is waiting and anticipating what they're
47:20
about to say and the whole world is going to know, said Mary
47:23
Ellen O'Toole, a former senior FBI profiler.
47:26
And the next steps, law enforcement needs to be very
47:28
careful and very precise about what they say, O'Toole told Jake
47:33
Tapper the FBI is handling investigating the new note.
47:37
Pima County Sheriff's Chris Nanos said OK, so the FBI is
47:40
doing that part of it. Local station at Kold, which was
47:44
among the media outlets that received a separate note a few
47:47
days ago about Guthrie, said it also received this new message.
47:51
Not clear if the 2 letters are from the same person or people.
47:54
The offender or offenders may think that sending messages
47:56
through news outlets keeps them one step removed from being
47:59
traced by law enforcement, said John Miller, CNN chief law
48:02
enforcement and intelligence analyst.
48:05
It could also be yet another fake from someone who read this
48:08
in the news that KOLD has gotten these communications before.
48:11
Miller said a man was charged with sending an illegitimate
48:15
ransom threat to Guthrie's family members, officials said.
48:20
OK. And I just want to see if
48:23
anything new has come in on NBC yet.
48:26
Now. Thank you very much, Wild
48:28
Wanderer for that tip. I'll bring up a picture of Miss
48:33
Guthrie again, see what you guys are saying.
48:40
Yeah, I did see the kold. News account or the X account?
48:47
I went over there, let me see if they've updated anything there
48:52
since I looked the first time. So what the what the X account
48:59
says is 13 News received the new note this morning.
49:04
They sent the IP address where the note came from to law
49:06
enforcement. It is not the same IP address as
49:09
the initial note, but it appears the sender used the same type of
49:12
secure server to hide their IP address, also known as AVPN.
49:16
The new note contains something the senders seem to think will
49:19
prove to investigators. They're the same people who sent
49:21
the first note. Which leads me to believe that
49:26
the Sheriff's Department or the sheriff's investigators all
49:30
well, the investigators that are at the house right now probably
49:34
are looking to see if they can verify that note I'm just going
49:41
to check a couple of other things real quick to see if we
49:43
see anything else coming in. Let's.
49:49
See if there's. I want to see if anything has
49:53
come from the Guthrie's at all. I've not seen not seeing
50:01
anything else. OK, so let's let's finish the
50:05
video that that we were playing over here.
50:11
Here we go. Because without something that
50:13
really tells. You she was in that house.
50:16
There's no way you can pay this ransom because there's no way to
50:18
confirm you're going to get her back.
50:21
Yeah, I you know what conundrum? There, Brian and you.
50:23
Know we were talking to Jesse about this last night what is
50:25
the gamesmanship relative to who they contacted because you have
50:28
that metric that you're talking about but then you have TMZ and
50:32
the outlier here is obviously Savannah's network itself
50:36
wouldn't that be who you contacted here I thought this is
50:40
interesting why didn't. They why didn't they contact
50:43
NBC? Savannah works for NBC.
50:45
Why did they go to the local media and to TMZ?
50:48
It's weird. Instead they went to TMZ.
50:50
That argues somebody who? Maybe is not that familiar, at
50:53
least with the national landscape.
50:55
So, you know, there are elements of unsophistication in this
50:59
thing that make you say, you know, even if it's somebody who
51:02
is smart doesn't really seem to have their act together.
51:05
Because let's say if the letter is real, why no protocols as I
51:09
just outlined. But if the letter is not real,
51:12
then where is whoever has her in order to get paid if this is in
51:17
fact an abduction for ransom. So it there's a lot of sort of
51:20
counterfactuals blowing through this that argue whoever did it
51:23
is not very organized. And let's remember something
51:25
else. Just in closing, I would argue
51:28
that you almost certainly have more than one person.
51:30
Is it possible it's one? Absolutely.
51:32
But history show this. This part's really important,
51:35
guys. Listen to this very, very
51:37
carefully, not only for the abduction, but for.
51:41
Keeping the person secreted because that is what you have to
51:44
trade. I'm sorry to be so blunt.
51:46
And so while somebody has to go out, do the communications, make
51:51
sure that they're getting food, water, seeing what's being said,
51:54
etcetera, communicating in a, in a way that can't be observed
51:57
from the location where you're essentially hiding out, somebody
51:59
else has to stay there and keep an eye on her.
52:02
So almost always in these things, you have 2-3 people
52:05
involved. And that's one of the reasons
52:07
why I'm surprised the, the excuse me, the reward is not
52:10
higher because you want to incentivize somebody who's
52:13
around this thing to say, well, normally I would never give it
52:17
up, but for half $1,000,000, I'll give them all up.
52:20
And, you know, the nephew comes forward or something.
52:23
A low reward here in my estimation.
52:25
And it was only bumped yesterday.
52:26
I'm I'm a bit surprised by that. Yeah, that that part surprised
52:30
me too. But the the part that he was
52:31
talking about where it's usually a team of people doing this,
52:37
it's not just one person that can get away with this.
52:40
It's usually A-Team. They have to secret the person
52:43
away. They have to hide out.
52:45
They have to make sure they're secure and then there has to be
52:48
somebody that goes out and does the communicating and, you know,
52:52
gets the necessities of life, water and food and so forth.
52:56
It's very. And you know, the, the 41
53:01
minutes, is that what it was from 1:47 AM to 2:28 PM?
53:09
That's 28 + 13. Yeah, 41 minutes between when
53:16
the doorbell Cam disconnected and the pacemaker disconnected
53:20
from the phone that it just does not seem like a quick smash and
53:26
grab does it seems like a a very calm, methodical pre planned
53:36
thing. And what's what's crazy in my
53:39
opinion on this stuff is this feels like a crime of the this
53:45
feels like a Batman comic book crime, right?
53:48
Something from the 1930's, the 1940s.
53:51
It doesn't seem like something that happens in the 20 twenties.
53:56
It feels like something that would happen 80 years ago to to
54:01
kidnap somebody and hold them for ransom here in the United
54:05
States is brash man. That just does not just doesn't
54:09
seem to happen. See if there's anything else you
54:12
guys want me to Nonna Rocks says in an age of AI, how do you show
54:19
proof of life? Yeah, we asked this question
54:23
yesterday and a lot of other lot of viewers had some really good
54:25
ideas on this. But for example, every family
54:29
should have a phrase that we all know that nobody else would know
54:33
that would, that would be a signal of there's something
54:39
wrong, right? You know, there would be 3
54:44
things that only Nancy Guthrie might know.
54:50
They're, they're, I think they're, those are the two that
54:52
come to mind. But there are ways that you
54:54
could, that you could show proof of life.
54:59
Anna says. Could the choice of news
55:02
networks hint to the age of the kidnapper or their lack of
55:06
connectivity to the Internet? Well, they're using AVPN.
55:09
They're using a secure server. So I think, I don't know.
55:15
I don't maybe I think it's more, I think it's more that they're
55:23
covering up who they are. Robin.
55:30
Says I see comments. About the wealth of Savannah
55:32
Guthrie and how her mom doesn't have such and such.
55:34
My sister is wealthy and I wouldn't dream of asking for
55:37
money to live differently ever. Hey, let's also remember that
55:42
this little neighborhood that Nancy Guthrie lives in is a nice
55:47
place that she moved into in the 90s.
55:50
It's a nice home. It's it's a nice neighborhood.
55:54
They're Big Lots. I think, I think miss miss Nancy
56:00
Guthrie is doing just fine. It's doing just fine.
56:05
And I, I remember when I was, when I was a young Warthog.
56:12
No, we lived in Reno, NV and I was a limo driver.
56:17
This was many, many years ago, during a time when boy, did we
56:22
need to work hard for our living.
56:24
And I picked up a guy from the FBO side of Reno, Tahoe National
56:30
International. So it was the, the private
56:34
airport side. He flew in on some beautiful
56:38
Gulfstream or, or something. And I picked him up and I drove
56:42
him out to Sparks, NV and waited for him while he made a visit to
56:49
just a regular house. Really nice just, but you know,
56:53
it was just, it was a nice place, but it was, it was a
56:56
regular house. He came out and I took him back
56:59
to his plane and on the, on the drive back to his plane, it
57:05
turned out that he was the CEO of a major corporation that you
57:09
would know, like a major national brand.
57:13
And he just flew in to visit his dad.
57:16
So, you know, a lot, a lot of people have those kinds of of
57:21
relationships where and some people don't want to be taken,
57:26
taken care of by their wealthy family members, right?
57:30
Why give two deadlines right off the bat?
57:32
I don't understand the two deadline thing.
57:35
I don't understand the two deadline thing at all.
57:37
And they didn't give me, they didn't give any of us enough
57:40
information to really understand if it.
57:46
Is a family member. Though they may know the phrase
57:48
I indeed, indeed, indeed any. Codes could have been learned on
57:55
day one. Possible Sharkey?
58:01
Says you must have seen some things as a.
58:03
Limo driver in Reno? Yes I did and before I was a
58:09
limo driver I was a cab driver and boy did I see some things.
58:13
See, in northern Nevada, it's well, in all of Nevada, County
58:18
by county, prostitution is legal.
58:20
And there are ranches, so-called ranches near Reno and took many
58:28
a person out to those places. Georgia says it's probably
58:34
easier to contact local stations.
58:36
Big networks don't read all the emails they get.
58:39
I'm amazed TMZ found it in all the junk mail.
58:41
Interesting. Tina says Miss Guthrie lived in
58:45
her house since the 90s. That's what I understand.
58:47
Yeah. So 30 years she's.
58:50
She's been there. So, yeah, guys, I, I, I want to
58:55
stick with this and, and see if there are any other live updates
58:59
that are going to come in. I, I don't feel like, like there
59:04
are going to be tons of meaningful updates though.
59:07
We've had some pretty big ones while we've been together.
59:11
Nothing new on the vehicle from the Circle K since we looked at
59:16
it. Nothing new on the letter or the
59:21
OR the search. Now let's see.
59:25
Let me just refresh this real quick.
59:28
Yeah, it's everything is about the same.
59:32
So why don't we to to finish out the day, finish out our time
59:38
together. Let's get into three questions.
59:40
It's three questions with Gavin Fish.
59:48
How OK in the? Three questions segment, guys, I
59:52
answer three of your questions. Questions for me.
59:56
Sometimes when I have a guest on, I give the questions to the
59:59
old guest. But you can send your questions
1:00:03
to three questions at gavinfish.com.
1:00:05
Just spell it out. Three questions at
1:00:06
gavinfish.com. You can ask as many questions as
1:00:09
you'd like and I promise that I will answer them question #1
1:00:15
tonight. Asks would you share with us how
1:00:18
long you've worked as a reporter and why you chose to?
1:00:20
Do you have a specialty or are you a general assignment
1:00:24
reporter? I have not worked as a reporter
1:00:28
very long. At what happened is I started as
1:00:31
a YouTube first in the true crime sphere, and then I reached
1:00:35
out to a couple of publications here in Western Pennsylvania to
1:00:38
see if they would be interested in me writing columns.
1:00:44
About. About crime in our area.
1:00:47
And one of them was like, no, you don't write in the AP style.
1:00:51
No, thank you. And the other said, yeah, yeah,
1:00:54
that sounds great. And would you be interested in
1:00:56
writing other things? I can train you.
1:00:58
And so that editor took me under his wing.
1:01:01
Actually, those editors took me under their wings and taught me
1:01:06
how to write in the AP format. Taught me, you know, I mean the
1:01:10
last journalism class course. I took.
1:01:16
Other than photojournalism, was in 6th grade and I did not do
1:01:22
well. So yeah.
1:01:25
So I think it's been about four years, something like that.
1:01:29
I have been on the crime beat. These days I am more of a
1:01:33
feature reporter, so I'm given stuff that requires a little
1:01:38
more investigation and it's, it's been extremely enjoyable in
1:01:48
our area. You know, the, the publication
1:01:52
that passed on me actually announced this morning, I broke
1:01:57
the news as a, as the feature reporter is the investigative
1:02:00
guy. I broke the news yesterday but
1:02:03
they announced today that they are folding basically at the end
1:02:08
of next month. So the the publication that I
1:02:11
landed at is the one that survives and is and is thriving.
1:02:15
So I work for a company called EYT Media.
1:02:18
We cover Clarion, Jefferson and Venango counties in western
1:02:24
Pennsylvania. Question #2 have you researched
1:02:28
using taken taking biotin supplements to help your hair
1:02:32
grow and get to your goal? It gets poo pooed a lot but it
1:02:36
really makes mine grow fast. I have not, no.
1:02:40
I will do that now though, I tell you.
1:02:42
Since I started my little journey of trying to be a
1:02:46
healthier version of me, I have been taking all sorts of
1:02:50
supplements and doing so responsibly and under the care
1:02:55
and watchful eye of professionals.
1:02:59
So I've been taking creatine, I've been taking potassium,
1:03:02
magnesium, oh what it what are the other?
1:03:08
Ones I can't. Remember.
1:03:09
But no I have not been taking biotin supplements to grow my
1:03:13
hair and if it can happen faster I'm all for it.
1:03:18
I will take a look. Here's the thing though, I'm a
1:03:21
Pansy. I only will do tasty gummies
1:03:27
will not do disgusting pills because why are it's 2026?
1:03:34
Why are we still taking disgusting pills for our
1:03:36
vitamins when we can get in the form of a delightful and tasty
1:03:40
gummy? I don't know, but I will look
1:03:43
into it. Thank you very much.
1:03:44
Question #3 tonight, is Kimberly ever just Kim?
1:03:49
Kimberly is never just Kim and has not been just Kim since she
1:03:53
was maybe 16 years old. She is Kimberly fact.
1:03:59
We know that people don't really know her if they call her Kim if
1:04:04
they like and we know that they haven't been paying attention,
1:04:09
right. If there are people that we know
1:04:11
and have known for 56789 years and they call my wife Kim, I
1:04:17
know that they either don't care or they don't know us.
1:04:22
And it's it's a huge signal that that they don't know us.
1:04:29
She prefers Kimberly. When I met her, I asked her, do
1:04:33
you prefer Kim, Kimberly, Kimmy, She said, Kimberly, you got it.
1:04:38
And that is what I have called her ever since.
1:04:42
By the same token, I never go by gaff ever.
1:04:47
X Well, there are exceptions. My parents can call me whatever
1:04:50
they want, right? And I have friends that are old
1:04:54
friends that we have known each other since we were like little
1:04:59
guys and gals. And it just tickles me when they
1:05:03
call me Gav. But anybody else outside of
1:05:06
maybe that half a dozen people, if somebody comes up and says,
1:05:11
hey, Gav, I know that they're trying to be more familiar with
1:05:15
me, but they are falling on their face.
1:05:20
They're miserably failing by doing that.
1:05:24
And we're not even all that formal.
1:05:27
Kimberly and I are not formal people, but we are pretty darn
1:05:30
formal about our names. It's Kimberly and Gavin.
1:05:33
And I think I, I kind of became Gavin probably by the time I was
1:05:38
11 or 12 and so. Even like.
1:05:43
Like if I go back and find old letters from like girlfriends or
1:05:50
crushes or whatever. Like I I found a mixtape
1:05:55
recently that was that had a note from a girl that she was my
1:05:58
girlfriend in 9th grade and boy was she amazing.
1:06:01
She probably still is. I haven't talked to her in like
1:06:03
5 years. But anyway.
1:06:07
And it says Gavin. It doesn't say Gav, but if I go
1:06:10
back far or further there are a few.
1:06:15
Folks that call. Me that call me Gavin, they
1:06:18
still do and it tickles me. I like it.
1:06:20
So those are our three questions.
1:06:23
How about we get into some headlines?
1:06:25
True. Crime.
1:06:34
Headlines. Okey.
1:06:35
Dokey, I've just. Got a couple of headlines for
1:06:38
you that I want to bring you to finish out the day in the case
1:06:45
of Anna Kepner. Boy, have we been trying to
1:06:47
figure this one out. Teen suspect in Anna Kepner's
1:06:50
cruise ship death in federal court in Miami is from NBC 6
1:06:56
Written by Tony Pipotone or Pipotone, a 16 year old being
1:07:01
investigated in the death of his step sister on a Carnival cruise
1:07:04
ship last year. You guys remember Anna Kepner?
1:07:07
Let me just bring up a photo. This Anna Kepner was strangled
1:07:13
to death on a Carnival cruise line.
1:07:19
What back in now I can't remember.
1:07:23
Give me a second in November. Anyway, 16 year old being
1:07:30
investigated in the death of his step sister on a Carnival cruise
1:07:34
ship last year appeared before a federal judge in Miami on
1:07:37
Friday. The 16 year old stepbrother of
1:07:40
Anna Kepner appeared before a federal magistrate in a locked
1:07:44
courtroom with his public defenders, prosecutors and US
1:07:47
Marshals. The criminal docket for the
1:07:50
Magistrate Judge revealed A sealed case was on his agenda
1:07:54
and that case number remained sealed Friday afternoon, so any
1:07:58
charges he may face have not been publicly released.
1:08:01
The teen later walked to another courthouse where he went into a
1:08:05
probation office where defendants are processed for
1:08:09
pretrial release. There's a photo with his head
1:08:13
down with his lawyer. One of his federal public
1:08:16
defenders said they would have no comment.
1:08:19
And then Kepner, 18, died on the Carnival Horizon cruise ship on
1:08:23
November seventh while on vacation with her family.
1:08:26
So that is an update there. This one, I, I try to say
1:08:29
politics free, but this one caught my eye.
1:08:31
Written by Kate Bird on the website of yours truly,
1:08:35
crimecod.com, Kate wrote Dateline.
1:08:41
Wilmington, DE New Castle County police arrested William
1:08:44
Stevenson, the former husband of Jill Biden, on a first degree
1:08:48
murder charge in connection with the death of his current wife.
1:08:52
Doctor Jill dodged A proverbial and maybe literal bullet.
1:08:58
Stevenson, 77, was taken into custody following a grand jury
1:09:02
indictment. The charges stem from a December
1:09:05
28th domestic dispute at a residence in the Wilmington
1:09:08
area. According to NBC News, officers
1:09:11
responding to the initial call found 64 year old Linda
1:09:15
Stevenson unresponsive. So anyway, Doctor Jill Biden,
1:09:22
her ex-husband, indicted for. Murder.
1:09:26
And those are your headlines now.
1:09:35
True crime headlines. For those of you who stick
1:09:38
around to. The end I.
1:09:40
Want to give you a preview. I've been working on a couple
1:09:45
things to maybe add to the show. OK, so if you're not interested
1:09:51
you don't have to stick around, but but a couple things, OK, you
1:09:57
guys have been noticing I've been yawning lately, OK.
1:10:00
And I asked Javi for a yawn button and I think it was Autumn
1:10:05
who came up with the idea for this yawn button.
1:10:10
Here, I'm going to show it to you.
1:10:10
Ready. Here we go.
1:10:22
Oh yes, so that is what I'm. Going well, that's what Javi is.
1:10:26
That's the button Javi is going to push if ever I'm like.
1:10:42
OK, we've got a couple of other. Things.
1:10:45
Now I don't have a graphic for this one or these two, but tell
1:10:48
me if you like these jingles. Here we go.
1:11:02
we might use that for. Transition Music.
1:11:05
If we ever need a transition out of everyone, here's one that's
1:11:07
similar. Here we go.
1:11:23
Yeah, that one, that one. Has a little bit better beat.
1:11:27
So maybe maybe we will use that anytime we have, you know, a
1:11:35
dill hole to talk about it or maybe.
1:11:36
We need transmit. Transition music.
1:11:38
OK, you know how I forget my words sometimes, right?
1:11:43
I forget my words. Well, what happens if I forget
1:11:46
my words? Harvey's got a button now.
1:12:13
one more. I've got, I've got, well I've
1:12:15
got 2 versions, but I'm not really satisfied with the
1:12:18
graphics yet. This is for when Uncle Gavin
1:12:21
needs to make an appearance. Here we go.
1:12:22
Hi, kids. that one.
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I think that one's really good. You want to hear D Hole one more
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time? Here we go.
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It's a bop man. Yeah, that's a good one.
1:13:17
That's a good one. All right, guys, that's a good
1:13:20
way for us to end out the the old week.
1:13:23
Maybe if something happens tomorrow, we will come on back.
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