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What Does it Mean to Be a Woman? · Life In Flow Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Life In Flow podcast.
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The three of us,
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Yulia,
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Polina and Irina,
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are exploring what Life In Flow and Flow In Life is.
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Join us as we experiment,
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test our diverse hypotheses and have fun in the process.
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SPEAKER_00: Will we find an answer?
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SPEAKER_00: This isn't just an intellectual discussion.
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SPEAKER_00: We're co-creating a shared field beyond words.
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We're attuning to what emerges moment by moment so that the
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conversation itself
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SPEAKER_00: becomes a group flow experience.
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SPEAKER_03: And we invite you to become an active participant in this experiment.
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SPEAKER_03: There will be pauses and moments of silence.
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SPEAKER_03: We leave them on purpose because this is where magic happens.
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SPEAKER_02: Go beyond the intellectual information.
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SPEAKER_02: Listen with your whole body.
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SPEAKER_02: and notice how your somatic experience shifts in the process.
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Share with us what reveals itself in the space where mind,
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body and energy flow together.
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SPEAKER_00: Hello everyone and welcome to the Life In Flow podcast.
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I'm Polina,
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I'm facilitating today and I'm joined by my two lovely co-hosts
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Yulia and Irina.
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and today hi girls and today we're exploring what does it mean
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to be a woman um
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today's intention that i'm putting out there just so that we're
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all on the same
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SPEAKER_00: page is that um this is just a gentle inquiry
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SPEAKER_00: The point is really to map the emotional and experiential landscape,
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SPEAKER_00: not to debate ideas,
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SPEAKER_00: not to go into the science of it all and the cultural aspects of it all.
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Well,
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we might go into those aspects,
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but from the very personal experiential lens.
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um this topic has come up in our conversations before in some
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various ways sort of
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kind of in the background we've already shared um and yet you
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know in my own life
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SPEAKER_00: right now it is a very alive topic and I don't know where I stand on it
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And I really wanted to create just a little bit of space to
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talk about something
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SPEAKER_00: that,
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SPEAKER_00: yes,
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there are books written about and there's other podcasts and
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there's experts
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SPEAKER_00: talking about it and there's lots of data,
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but it's not a topic that I get to really openly talk about
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with other women.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm really feeling a pull and a desire to start talking about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Not for some answers or like it's an equation that we are solving,
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SPEAKER_00: but actually more to get to know
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SPEAKER_00: What do other women feel like about being a woman?
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SPEAKER_00: What does it mean to them?
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SPEAKER_00: I actually really don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: Just like I'm not sure even what I'm going to say today.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't prep for this conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: I just let it go.
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SPEAKER_00: Because this is just, I don't know, a little bit of an inquiry.
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SPEAKER_00: So to get started, let's do a little game as we usually do.
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SPEAKER_00: So just set the stage.
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we already did some centering before we started but just for
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whoever's listening
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with us i want to set the stage and ask everyone to take a
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breath and take a moment
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to arrive feel into one sensation you're feeling scan your body
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and feel into
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SPEAKER_00: Any sensations that are currently alive for you?
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SPEAKER_00: Be curious about it.
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SPEAKER_02: Where is that sensation?
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SPEAKER_00: What does it feel like?
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SPEAKER_00: What are the aspects of it?
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SPEAKER_00: And as we transition into the game,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to ask,
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SPEAKER_00: when you hear the word woman,
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SPEAKER_00: notice what comes alive first.
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in your body in your memory or in your sense of self locate
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whatever comes alive
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and we're gonna go in a circle and share what comes up and
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we're gonna pay
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attention to what each one of us shares in case it maybe
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triggers or opens up
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something new within us as we hear each other and we're just
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gonna stay very fluid
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SPEAKER_00: and flexible
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So we're sharing a body sensation,
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a memory or image,
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or an identity word or phrase.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so when you hear the word woman, what comes alive first?
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SPEAKER_03: I have like a portal opening up in my chest and it's a light portal,
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SPEAKER_03: like bright light coming out of my chest.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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I'm sitting here today with an injured knee and I already
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thought that it might
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kind of like also co-create with me today as it's my state and
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I think that makes
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SPEAKER_02: me think when I hear a woman that makes me think about being cared for
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and it's something that feels soft that feels gentle that feels
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warm that feels
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SPEAKER_02: safe and that feels that it kind of melts you
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mmmm I'm letting all of that land in my system and my system
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likes it mmmm when I
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hear the word woman I also actually feel this reverberation and
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then like I start
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SPEAKER_00: tracking this
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I don't know energetic movement almost also like a portal but
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more like this space
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right here in the chest area and the reverberation feels like
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ooh woman magic
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SPEAKER_00: mystery
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SPEAKER_00: Cool, exciting?
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SPEAKER_00: What is it?
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SPEAKER_00: What does it mean?
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SPEAKER_00: It's like that kind of,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like when the molecules are moving,
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SPEAKER_00: but they don't know exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: They know it's charged.
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SPEAKER_00: They know there's power and energy there and it's cool and interesting,
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SPEAKER_01: but they're not quite sure where to land with it all.
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SPEAKER_00: Do we go on?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, let's do one more round.
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SPEAKER_00: And when you hear the word woman,
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SPEAKER_00: What comes alive?
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SPEAKER_03: When I was listening to you,
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SPEAKER_03: Paulina,
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SPEAKER_03: what I felt is it's like a field that opened up around my lower body.
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SPEAKER_03: It was like this fear filled with
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Deep night and the cosmos and many many stars and it's infinite
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but the like the
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infinity that goes within it has like the borders the limits
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from the outside but
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SPEAKER_01: it's infinite inside how cool okay now
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Ira you going into elements make me think about how woman how
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it plays and engages
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SPEAKER_02: with the air but also woman
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it is very flowy and woman for me is something very flowy and
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watery we lost you on
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a really cool moment of woo okay so woo woman for me is about
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lightness and air and
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SPEAKER_02: engaging with air and then woman.
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SPEAKER_02: It's very soft flow and it makes me think about water.
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SPEAKER_03: And I think about water a lot, period.
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But now again,
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I'm thinking about how women are especially watery creatures
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maybe.
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SPEAKER_02: Water creatures?
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SPEAKER_00: Watery creatures.
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SPEAKER_00: Watery creatures, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I was sharing when you were off camera for a sec,
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SPEAKER_00: I was sharing that when you got stuck with your woo,
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SPEAKER_00: it brought up for me this,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like the woof,
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SPEAKER_00: the woof.
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SPEAKER_01: Ah, woof.
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Howling at the moon I am woman It was really cool with this
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vastness within borders
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of my skin and my fur but it's infinite inside and I howl at
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the moon At the moon
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SPEAKER_02: and maybe with the moon
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SPEAKER_02: I guess the moon penetrates me and you and other women yeah and the water
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reverberates on the lake that's holding the image of the moon
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as I howl the watery
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creature and the water looks like a field of emeralds like
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shimmering emeralds
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And I have the sensation of like being over this water or this
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lake this air it's
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SPEAKER_03: the air spirit it's the like light
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SPEAKER_03: but I also have a phrase that maybe have a less playful more like social
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connotation that came to my mind when Yulia started talking
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about water so it's a
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SPEAKER_03: phrase from the song of the very famous in Russia aquarium group
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which says you are like water you always take the form of the
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one with whom you are
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and I always associated these words with myself but curiously
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enough all women with
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whom I discussed it they also said that they associate these
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words with them
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If we're bringing that in,
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that really resonates and reverberates through my system.
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I can feel it like little goosebumps on the top edges of my
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skin where the skin meets the air.
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SPEAKER_00: So woman inspires so many different things when we hear
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SPEAKER_00: The word when we engage with it.
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SPEAKER_00: I heard warmth, comfort.
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SPEAKER_00: I heard a portal of light.
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SPEAKER_01: I heard deep night and stars and infinity that is within the borders.
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SPEAKER_01: That's limitless.
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SPEAKER_01: I heard woo, air.
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and the wolf howling at the moon and emeralds reflecting on the
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water and the air
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SPEAKER_01: and spirit and light and that water takes shape of the one it's with.
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SPEAKER_02: What wants to be added now is
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this feeling that I have of very concentrated mysterious dark
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matter dark matter
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that can I guess create but can also destroy like the energy
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that is or the course
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SPEAKER_02: of
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Life and history that is not there to be only good or only for
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something but for
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everything and so I think it's a little bit like nature yeah
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and I immediately
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SPEAKER_03: think about Kali slaying demons yeah
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And I think of the rage of the wolf Ready to pounce and protect
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Although it's
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actually not true I don't know if it's true Because they're
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afraid of new things So
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I don't know But I like to imagine The growl of the wolf That
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will protect its
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SPEAKER_01: young And The energy of
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the feminine that is never satiated because she wants to keep
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creating and birthing
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SPEAKER_01: anew and more and the energetics of the bitch.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, I like the bitch, huh?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the bitch that has power and energy.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have a part of me that I address the bitch.
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SPEAKER_03: It's very curious that your two bitches, they sound quite differently.
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SPEAKER_03: And it brings me to my sensation of holding everything together.
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SPEAKER_03: So I feel like all this...
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Yulia Bogdanova yulia Bogdanova Yulia Bogdanova Yulia Bogdanova
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Yulia Bogdanova
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SPEAKER_03: Yulia Bogdanova Yulia Bogdanova Yulia Bogdanova
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it's all at the same time yeah it feels very rich very rich it
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really just
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penetrates your skin and powerful it penetrates the field and
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it penetrates itself
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SPEAKER_01: wow
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SPEAKER_01: Penetration all around in the most scary and the most delightful ways.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you want to add anything else before we transition to the next part?
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SPEAKER_00: Wings.
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SPEAKER_00: What?
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SPEAKER_00: I have wings.
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SPEAKER_03: Ooh, wings.
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SPEAKER_03: What color?
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SPEAKER_03: They are made of light.
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SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
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SPEAKER_01: I have fangs.
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SPEAKER_01: They're made of crystal.
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SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
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SPEAKER_02: I have claws.
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SPEAKER_01: What are they made of?
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SPEAKER_01: They are wildcats claws I see bones
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so there's lots of interesting sensations and layers that are
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already present and
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images and emotions and it feels very very rich super cool um
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i'm just trying to
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SPEAKER_00: tune into what's what's the next best
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SPEAKER_01: It is about that sensation that I described.
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all in everything in my field like being everything at once in
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the universe and
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what does it feel like the like physical sensation if there is
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a expansion but at
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SPEAKER_03: the same
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like when very pronounced center of gravity in the center
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myself so it's it's very
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SPEAKER_03: stable expansion
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SPEAKER_02: To me,
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SPEAKER_02: first of all,
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it feels dark and concentrated without any connotations of that
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being positive or
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SPEAKER_02: negative.
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It has weight to it,
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heaviness,
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but it's not the heaviness that is hard to carry.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe it speaks to the center,
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SPEAKER_02: the heaviness that keeps the center grounded,
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SPEAKER_02: like Ida mentioned.
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And to me it's the sensation that I get is in the lower part of
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my chest and maybe
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SPEAKER_02: the side ribs.
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where I feel a lot of strength or this shape-shifting energy
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and if that energy is
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SPEAKER_02: not given space then it's gonna break things
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As I connect to power and what does power feel like in my body
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as a woman?
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SPEAKER_00: I feel energy
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Responding in both of my nipples and then I feel energy in the
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you know the root
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SPEAKER_00: chakra space and then I feel this energetic kind of circle that those
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Areas kind of combine together into a circle and then I feel
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like that energy has
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freedom to travel to different parts of my system depending on
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what's required.
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SPEAKER_00: Do I require the power of love?
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SPEAKER_00: Then that's more than my breasts.
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SPEAKER_00: Do I require the power of force?
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SPEAKER_00: Then the energy goes down to the root.
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do I require submission then the energy goes into my solar
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plexus so it's actually
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really cool it gets to travel and get different flavors of
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strength and power
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SPEAKER_00: depending on what's needed
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SPEAKER_00: When do you feel most powerful?
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SPEAKER_00: And I do want you to reflect on it from the lens of woman,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever that brings up in your system.
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SPEAKER_00: When do you feel most powerful as a woman?
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I felt the most powerful in the sacral liminal spaces of
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inaction with my goddesses.
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SPEAKER_03: Especially with Ishtar Can you say more?
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Well that is like when I feel this like expansion and that like
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I am the most
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SPEAKER_03: powerful being in the world
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that holds the walls itself and it's like there is this core
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the center that holds
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gravity of this expansion and it's light and the wings of light
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they're also coming
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SPEAKER_03: from that space
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SPEAKER_02: So are you saying,
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did you say that it's during some rituals or time when you
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invoke this goddess that
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SPEAKER_02: you feel like?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
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it's more the trance states I don't perform the rituals per se
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they like some
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SPEAKER_03: ritualistic visualizations that allow me to connect with this energy
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To commune with the deity When you connect to them is when you
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actually get it
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sounds like right that you get access to this yeah energy of
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power and gravity and
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all of that is contained within I guess just not only within
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your being but also
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within the being of what you're connecting to and channeling
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that's even beyond
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SPEAKER_00: yeah yeah
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Yeah,
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but that is the thing that when I'm connecting with her,
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I'm becoming her.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's the energy that is bigger than me,
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SPEAKER_03: that it's coming from the outside,
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SPEAKER_03: but I'm becoming it.
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SPEAKER_03: Actually, the constant message that I'm being...
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laughed with during this context the last couple of years
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exactly that this is the
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state that I need to train in myself yeah cool Yul how about
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you when do you feel
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most powerful I have a very complicated relationship with power
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to say the least
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I think for a long time including to certain degree now still I
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ignored hid or even
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SPEAKER_02: denounced my power and
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Thinking about this question I think it's quite challenging for
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me so I do have
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moments when I feel the power One category is when I'm able to
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stay with my center
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of the gravity and hold on to this shapeshifting force and
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shapeshift with it.
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So basically when everything and everyone is losing their mind
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and among the chaos,
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SPEAKER_02: I can feel like,
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SPEAKER_02: wow,
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SPEAKER_02: I can actually
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hold myself and to a certain extent the space I think the most
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nourishing space for
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me to feel the power is connecting with the elements and doing
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that by direct
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SPEAKER_02: engagement like hugging trees
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Digging soil with my hands Floating in the water or just
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sitting by the water and
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gazing forever or moving like water that I'm now training with
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this guy who I think
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I mentioned here maybe who's about water who says that humans
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are bags of breathing
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SPEAKER_02: water
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my god and just bring so such rich experience of remembering
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myself and my origins
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SPEAKER_02: as water and also remembering the power
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SPEAKER_03: I must say that what I perceive from Yulia,
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from Yulia's power is very like it's like quiet power but very
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powerful like very
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stable like the power that holds space Thank you And the power
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that connects to the
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SPEAKER_00: elements
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and has the ability to shape shift and shift into sensations of
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either recognition
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or understanding or being part of the elements is what I was
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hearing and how you
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SPEAKER_00: were sharing it being with the tree being
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SPEAKER_00: within of the water being off being off.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I feel most powerful.
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SPEAKER_00: Um,
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SPEAKER_00: When I am able to really tune in to someone,
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SPEAKER_00: to something,
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SPEAKER_00: to energetics and not just understand it,
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SPEAKER_00: but like really move with it,
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SPEAKER_00: vibrate with it,
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SPEAKER_00: really like,
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SPEAKER_00: like get it.
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SPEAKER_00: And
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Appreciate it like appreciate all the nuances and all of the
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complexity and all of
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the juiciness and the meat and feel like I can touch that
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juiciness and meat
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somehow literally like my breasts are on fire right now I'm
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feeling like there's
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SPEAKER_00: energetics like just being able to perceive the beauty the nuance the
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the rich complexity the way things shift and move and I when I
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do that with it
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makes me feel like ah this is so cool there's power here
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there's recognition here
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SPEAKER_00: there's aliveness here
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SPEAKER_00: And the more I start feeling my physical body within these experiences,
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which has been coming online over the last like one year or two
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more and more,
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SPEAKER_00: the more embodied it becomes,
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SPEAKER_00: but also richer,
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SPEAKER_00: but also like way more experiential and not just like data in my mind,
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SPEAKER_00: but like really energetic data throughout the whole system.
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and I'm really allowing myself to speak from how that energy
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moves and that's power
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too that's where I get my power when I let myself be whatever
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the freak I am at
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this moment in time however my body or my system wants to
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express itself when I
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SPEAKER_00: allow it to do so without worry of self
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Recrimination or judgment or how it's going to land on someone
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else,
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that is power.
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SPEAKER_00: And when do you feel your power drain?
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry, Yuli, you wanted to say something.
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SPEAKER_00: Tell me.
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So I sometimes write this very very short pieces of prose or
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poetry I don't know
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what they're called and one of them was when I'm not afforded
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approximately the
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idea because Pauline it's something that resonated with what
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you said when you're
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SPEAKER_02: allowed to express whatever it is
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it was when I am not afforded my true shape I start to to leak
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to break but then at
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the end I start to predate as well that was like the ending
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there was a list of
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SPEAKER_02: different verbs how they
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describing the flow of this state when my true shape is not
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afforded by usually the
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SPEAKER_02: human environment.
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SPEAKER_02: So true shape is super cool.
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and I love that you're already taking it into this next
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question I have so like
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when you're not afforded your true shape wait first of all I
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want to know more can
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you give me more details about that what does that mean what is
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your true shape
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what does that show up like you never know because it's
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shifting right so meaning
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like just the ability to express whatever is yeah exactly and
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alive for me right
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SPEAKER_00: now whether it's
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SPEAKER_00: Softness or fucking rage.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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And afforded you mean when you're surrounded by people that are
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not able to hold
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space and just witness and approve of whatever it is that's
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alive for you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, like the range of reactions can be very wide.
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SPEAKER_02: We humans,
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SPEAKER_02: I think,
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have so many ways of not affording the true shape of the other
39:23
It can be quiet,
39:23
SPEAKER_02: it can be loud,
39:24
SPEAKER_02: it can be aggressive,
39:26
SPEAKER_02: it can be gentle,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: so many ways And it seems to be mostly the name of the game
39:36
SPEAKER_00: if we are to look at the standard of how things operate.
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But I want to come back to you actually already started
39:43
answering my next question
39:44
SPEAKER_00: of this leak of power.
39:47
SPEAKER_00: Can you tell me more about the leak of power?
39:49
SPEAKER_00: How do you experience it when you're not afforded your true shape?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, there is a leak somewhere and I think it has to do with the
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the center the ability to sense hold on and ground in my center
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and recently I've
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been having experiences of very physical in nature I mean
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groundedness is very
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SPEAKER_02: physical in nature even more so that where in my if my physical shape
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changes and this again like i've been doing it for a long time
40:43
but somehow now this
40:44
um experience of my core like physical core i mean not like the
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center core but
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more my my um stomach like lowest stomach this is where um if i
41:04
have a hard time
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feeling it and allowing it this kind of like pulsating quality
41:14
of being alive and
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at the same time strong if I can do that then that means I'm
41:22
probably gonna have
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SPEAKER_02: the you know whatever else is required emotionally or cognitively
41:35
SPEAKER_02: to express myself or my truth.
41:38
But if I'm losing that visceral connection,
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then it's how the leak happens.
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SPEAKER_02: One of the things that comes to mind.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there are more.
41:53
so when you're not afforded the space and the honor and the
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time to express
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yourself it sounds like you're you're saying that you actually
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lose that visceral
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connection in your stomach right lower stomach area and then
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the next thing that
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SPEAKER_00: happens is like there's a loss of cognitive function or loss of
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Connection to Emotions right so there's like it I have this
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like sensation of like
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energy leaking down the cauldron right lack of words lack of
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coherence yeah yeah
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SPEAKER_02: yeah forgetting things I didn't ever know could be forgotten yeah
42:39
So brain fog not as a function of a leaky gut because you're
42:44
not eating right but
42:46
brain fog as a function of a leaky gut because your life force
42:51
is escaping because
42:52
you're not being witnessed and held and approved in whatever
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your experience is A
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SPEAKER_02: good way to say it Yeah Thank you for sharing
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SPEAKER_00: Here, how about you?
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SPEAKER_03: Named the conditions of losing power.
43:19
In my case,
43:20
it is when I condition myself too much on what the other people
43:33
think.
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The expectations of the others regarding me that always live
43:49
exclusively in my
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SPEAKER_03: head,
43:52
SPEAKER_03: but they're powerful enough to rip me off my power.
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SPEAKER_00: And how does that happen, the ridding of your power?
44:07
SPEAKER_00: What is your actual physical embodied experience of that?
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SPEAKER_03: That would be different depending on the circumstances.
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The somatic experience could be very different,
44:27
but it is the lack of that expansion and
44:33
the center of gravity that holds the expansion and the
44:38
awareness that I am
44:43
everything that exists that is the lack of power it's the lack
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of the sensation so
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SPEAKER_00: in those moments you feel like
44:55
SPEAKER_00: You're really small, and what are the other emotional markers?
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It's not necessarily that I'm small,
45:07
but I'm dependent on the opinions of the others.
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SPEAKER_00: So you don't have shape?
45:19
SPEAKER_00: So the shape you are holding in those moments?
45:23
SPEAKER_00: That phrase?
45:26
that I shared in the game,
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yes,
45:28
it is about that,
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like,
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taking the shape of the other.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, this game is twofold, because I believe that they can
45:52
SPEAKER_03: Play this game from the place of my own power.
45:56
SPEAKER_03: Because I choose to take the shape of the other.
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But most of the time I do it to find this approval and to
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facilitate the affordance
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SPEAKER_03: of myself for the other.
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SPEAKER_03: Hmm...
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SPEAKER_03: That is like giving up my power from the start
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
46:34
so it sounds like the choice about the shape you choose to take
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is where like the
46:42
SPEAKER_00: crux of the power energetics lies.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Am I choosing this because I want to for my own personal desire for me,
46:51
SPEAKER_00: for my pleasure,
46:52
SPEAKER_00: for my satisfaction,
46:53
SPEAKER_00: for my needs to be met?
46:55
SPEAKER_00: Or am I doing this to satisfy their needs?
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To mold and shift into their reality Which then is no longer my
47:08
personal choice It
47:09
SPEAKER_00: still could be powerful,
47:12
the ability to do that I feel like that's a natural power that
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we have But if it's
47:19
SPEAKER_00: not from choice Exactly,
47:22
SPEAKER_00: it's the lack of choice The lack of choice Yeah Cool
47:33
SPEAKER_00: What about you?
47:36
Thank you for asking I think There's of course different leaks
47:48
depending on
47:49
circumstances just like you said and different ways that power
47:53
leaks for me One way
48:01
That power leaks is actually quite a dichotomy because it's
48:06
both a strength and it
48:07
can be a huge weakness depending on how I regulate around it
48:12
and like how I move
48:14
SPEAKER_00: with it.
48:14
So if I am trying to be understood and I'm sharing and I'm
48:23
expressing but the
48:25
SPEAKER_00: person on the other side is
48:29
SPEAKER_00: unwilling to make any room for my perspective at all.
48:37
SPEAKER_00: And if I feel like this is a very reasonable,
48:40
I'm like really doing a good job making room for myself and
48:45
really explaining it in
48:46
SPEAKER_00: very concrete,
48:48
SPEAKER_00: like the best language I have from all my training,
48:53
SPEAKER_00: all of the knowledge and the ability and the person
48:58
is either not capable because their brain or their mind just
49:02
cannot stretch in that
49:03
SPEAKER_00: direction or they're unwilling,
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SPEAKER_00: which is even worse and it makes me even crazier.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: That crazy sensation of,
49:13
especially when someone is actually choosing not to engage or
49:19
understand or make
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SPEAKER_00: room,
49:20
SPEAKER_00: I start feeling like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh my God,
49:23
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna lose my freaking mind.
49:31
SPEAKER_00: If that goes into the land of, am I not doing good enough?
49:43
SPEAKER_00: Am I not smart enough?
49:44
SPEAKER_00: Am I not saying the right things?
49:47
SPEAKER_00: Is there something wrong with me?
49:49
SPEAKER_00: That's when my power starts to leak.
49:53
SPEAKER_00: But if I can hold space,
49:57
and have my own back and witness myself in a situation where
50:04
there is no external
50:05
witness available and I can hold space for their inability or
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unwillingness and I
50:15
could still hold space for what I know to be true then I can
50:22
contain my energy and
50:24
SPEAKER_00: my power
50:26
And then the power turns more inward It's more of like a So I'm
50:30
like I'm shifting
50:32
it out Because I want to be understood and connect But it's not
50:35
landing So I'm
50:36
going to shift it back in And I'm going to fill myself back up
50:40
And it'll be like
50:41
this kind of experience Up and down Versus leaking If I'm going
50:47
into victim Or sad
50:49
SPEAKER_00: You know What's wrong with me And then my power leaks
50:58
but in what you're saying makes me think about power leak or
51:05
power escaping me when
51:09
I choose not to use it or not to recognize it not to
51:17
acknowledge it and whether
51:23
it's because the pressure goes higher or because it just the
51:32
power doesn't want to
51:34
SPEAKER_02: stick around in this in these circumstances yeah and so it asks for
51:51
respect and acknowledgement the power in this way and one more
51:57
thing that happens
52:00
and it also it's also something that you mentioned the question
52:06
is it about me what
52:09
was the question that you said you were asking yourself is
52:13
something wrong with me
52:15
or something like that right when the other person was not you
52:17
know doesn't get it
52:18
SPEAKER_02: doesn't want to get and
52:21
SPEAKER_02: The question for me is Is it about me at this moment?
52:28
SPEAKER_02: Because if it's about me then that is for me is a leak.
52:35
SPEAKER_02: Totally.
52:36
If it's about something bigger and not losing touch with the
52:41
interconnectedness and
52:42
with the elements and with the bigger pulse of life that I
52:46
believe holds space for
52:47
SPEAKER_02: me always when I choose to
52:51
remember that then there are more chances for the power to
53:00
stick around and when
53:04
you say when it's about me that's when the power leak happens
53:08
can you elaborate how
53:11
SPEAKER_00: does when it's about me show up for you what does it mean it means
53:21
is about me meaning that this I'm in my human shell now one
53:30
person it is about my
53:35
not desire but it's very for me it feels like almost something
53:48
selfish I don't know
53:49
SPEAKER_02: and at the same time
53:52
um is it about me very isolating it has to be about something
54:01
bigger than me it's
54:07
like you know desires a different desires if some of the
54:11
desires are bigger than me
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SPEAKER_02: some of the desires um actually
54:17
Power draining but also with interactions with the humans and
54:24
the human world I my
54:33
experiences are I don't want to be to be alone I don't want to
54:37
be the alone me I
54:42
SPEAKER_02: want to have um
54:45
the help and support of the elements and of the bigger life So
54:56
when you say it has
54:57
to be bigger than you you mean this is when you have the
55:03
connection to your power
55:05
SPEAKER_03: if it's bigger than you
55:08
SPEAKER_00: So every time it's really about you,
55:12
SPEAKER_00: like a smaller scale desire that is just for you,
55:16
SPEAKER_00: it's automatically a power leak?
55:26
SPEAKER_02: It's, it's vulnerable.
55:31
SPEAKER_02: It becomes a power leak under certain circumstances.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:39
SPEAKER_00: Wait, would you mind sharing?
55:41
SPEAKER_00: What are those circumstances that actually shifted down the leak lane?
55:47
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
55:47
SPEAKER_02: Any pressure?
55:48
SPEAKER_02: Any other people or desires of others that get into the picture?
55:55
SPEAKER_02: Then I prefer to not go with mine.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sharing.
56:09
SPEAKER_00: Okay,
56:11
now I want to transition to the next piece of this conversation
56:17
and ask what parts
56:20
of you feel like you when we interact with woman and what feels
56:28
like it is learned.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: And this is a big question, I get it.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: We could talk for seven episodes just on this question.
56:36
So I'm just curious to get a little taste of where you are
56:42
currently sitting with this.
56:45
SPEAKER_00: And maybe we will have more discussions later, but I just, I wanna know.
56:53
Say when you interact with woman,
56:56
you mean when I interact with the concept of woman?
57:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, I am woman.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am woman.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: What part feels like really you?
57:06
SPEAKER_00: It's your own personal,
57:08
unique experience of what that is and what it feels like it's
57:12
learned and it's
57:14
SPEAKER_00: cultural,
57:15
SPEAKER_00: societal,
57:18
SPEAKER_00: adopted,
57:20
SPEAKER_00: but not quite you.
57:24
SPEAKER_00: And maybe you don't have this experience at all.
57:26
SPEAKER_00: So everything is welcome.
57:27
SPEAKER_00: I'm really just curious to see how the two of you sit with this question.
57:42
SPEAKER_03: The thing is that everything that
57:47
I've been adapted from the society,
57:49
from my family history,
57:52
from my own experience.
57:57
SPEAKER_03: It forms my perception of me.
57:59
SPEAKER_03: So everything is me.
58:12
SPEAKER_03: Then it is the matter,
58:14
SPEAKER_03: as we discussed before,
58:15
whether do I have a choice to choose the shape I want to be in
58:22
at this particular
58:23
SPEAKER_03: moment in this specific circumstances?
58:27
SPEAKER_03: Do I have the connection to my power or not?
58:33
SPEAKER_03: And of course there are certain things that
58:41
SPEAKER_03: My energy,
58:42
SPEAKER_03: my personal space,
58:45
my perception of me has absorbed transpersonally and personally
58:53
that lead me
58:56
SPEAKER_03: automatically to the place of no power.
59:09
SPEAKER_03: But again, it's
59:11
it's also the matter of like transcendence again it just you
59:23
like I don't know if
59:28
SPEAKER_03: One of the examples,
59:30
SPEAKER_03: for example,
59:32
SPEAKER_03: it's not about learning,
59:33
but it's like these are circumstances that are given and
59:39
difficult to be avoided,
59:42
SPEAKER_03: like the menopause.
59:45
So I have entered this period when I have to deal with all the
59:53
changes in my body
59:55
SPEAKER_03: and in my energy system and
59:59
SPEAKER_03: It really, when it hit me, it was very, very hard.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_03: It was a very difficult time.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_03: Physically, first of all.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_03: And it did feel like a leak of power.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_03: Like I was totally helpless and like everything hurt and
1:00:27
it was horrible but curiously enough the message the first
1:00:36
message that I have
1:00:37
received I received from my goddesses regarding this was that I
1:00:46
need to learn what
1:00:53
SPEAKER_03: was the word
1:00:55
SPEAKER_03: to integrate my power from this.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_03: So this is the transition for integration of my power.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_03: My interpretation of that was before the menopause,
1:01:16
a lot of energy is directed in the organism of a woman into
1:01:21
maintenance of the
1:01:23
SPEAKER_03: reproductive system.
1:01:26
when the menopause starts or perimenopause whatever terminology
1:01:31
we would be using
1:01:33
when we enter into this transition this energy liberates when
1:01:40
there is no need for
1:01:42
reproduction anymore all of a sudden we have a lot of energy
1:01:48
that we can learn
1:01:52
SPEAKER_03: direct to wherever we
1:01:56
we need it for but it's not just tricky it's a very difficult
1:02:05
transition but this
1:02:09
is the place that it seems that I don't have a choice because
1:02:17
the circumstances are
1:02:18
SPEAKER_03: given but my choice is about how I live it and what I do with it
1:02:25
And so you can go from the place of seemingly feeling of having
1:02:33
no power at all,
1:02:34
SPEAKER_03: losing your power into like integrating your power.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_03: I'm not there yet.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_03: This is just a theory.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_03: I'm still working on it.
1:02:45
And can I ask you how in what you described what's the
1:02:49
reflection point of what
1:02:51
SPEAKER_00: feels like you and what feels like it's a learned aspect of woman of this
1:02:57
transition do you have a separation or is this also all
1:03:04
together all of it is you
1:03:07
know like for example in this transition I'm also learning so
1:03:12
everything what is me
1:03:13
SPEAKER_03: is
1:03:15
somehow learned because I'm learning to be myself even if I'm
1:03:26
when I'm going back
1:03:28
to my power if like we can describe it it's still learned I
1:03:36
love that that's
1:03:37
SPEAKER_00: actually really cool a cool perspective yeah thank you for sharing
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: What about you, Yul?
1:03:46
SPEAKER_00: What parts of you, if any, feel like you versus learned, potentially?
1:03:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, I first want to speak to learned.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_02: The question I'm contemplating is, is it learned or is it remembered?
1:04:05
SPEAKER_02: Because if we go to the morphic resonance theory, right, so we
1:04:12
don't learn per se but rather we remember and where we remember
1:04:20
from depends but I
1:04:22
guess for each of us access to different types of remembrances
1:04:32
is there so the
1:04:33
SPEAKER_02: access is different because that's how some things feel to me it's like
1:04:40
remembering for example when i had an obsession with gardening
1:04:47
and with foraging
1:04:48
and with herbs that really hit me last summer it just hit me it
1:04:54
just like took me
1:04:56
and it was i didn't i think i couldn't really control that
1:05:02
power um and it felt
1:05:05
SPEAKER_02: like there was in this interaction there was
1:05:10
SPEAKER_02: Remembrance.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_02: And also,
1:05:15
SPEAKER_02: when I think about your question,
1:05:16
SPEAKER_02: Pauline,
1:05:18
SPEAKER_02: what is mine,
1:05:19
SPEAKER_02: what is not mine,
1:05:20
SPEAKER_02: I just actually let me own it all.
1:05:28
I would say the things that I have experienced or I have
1:05:33
engaged with or I have lived through
1:05:37
their mind whether I wanted it initially was willing with
1:05:43
willingness I entered you
1:05:45
know relationships or not so it's all mine and so that's a wide
1:05:51
range but again
1:05:52
about remembering the question I'm asking is what may I not
1:05:58
remember about myself
1:06:05
SPEAKER_02: because
1:06:07
at one point or actually for most of my life now I realize I
1:06:17
had not I didn't
1:06:19
remember anything hardly anything of my true self of my like
1:06:30
you know whatever like
1:06:30
SPEAKER_02: natural inclinations or
1:06:36
that thing that gives you a sense of being they were just not
1:06:43
accessible to me I
1:06:45
think I just shielded myself from it forgot you know whatever
1:06:51
how that happened so
1:06:53
this is how I would answer then the question is it's what's in
1:07:01
my field and in my
1:07:04
SPEAKER_02: recognized
1:07:05
and the recognized repertoire that I'm conscious of versus what
1:07:13
else is out there
1:07:14
and some exciting stuff probably that I would want to remember
1:07:21
but I don't yet.
1:07:24
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
1:07:39
makes me think about like the other example I was avoiding
1:07:46
talking about when I
1:07:49
SPEAKER_03: talked before about what is me and what is learned is so boom
1:08:11
SPEAKER_03: Biggest part of my life,
1:08:13
SPEAKER_03: my body carried within itself the symptoms of the sexual trauma,
1:08:26
SPEAKER_03: which I didn't experience actually in my life.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_03: So like I didn't have the experience, but I did have the trauma.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_02: Right?
1:08:38
So I like this question about what I'm not remembering about
1:08:43
myself and what else
1:08:44
is out there because so like expanding the perception of myself
1:08:56
beyond my limited
1:08:59
SPEAKER_03: identity is what taught me actually to
1:09:08
overcome the trauma and to overcome my relationship with the
1:09:15
topic of sex.
1:09:17
And it actually also led me to this perception of the point of
1:09:28
power and the
1:09:29
SPEAKER_03: connection to the goddess's energy.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_03: It is related to my path to
1:09:38
remembering more than just the symptoms of the trauma but
1:09:42
related to the same
1:09:47
physical perception of this experience I love these questions
1:10:02
what answers out
1:10:03
SPEAKER_03: there
1:10:04
for sure this is not where I thought the discussion would go
1:10:08
but wow I love it I
1:10:10
couldn't have even imagined that this is what the two of you
1:10:13
would say and you know
1:10:15
bring into the space so freaking cool so now I'm just sitting
1:10:25
there and I'm very
1:10:26
SPEAKER_02: curious in what you have said is this traumatic experiences so is it
1:10:37
SPEAKER_02: Expansion?
1:10:38
Well,
1:10:38
it grows the container,
1:10:42
but then it changes the context or the form and shape.
1:10:47
SPEAKER_02: So can you just help me?
1:10:50
SPEAKER_03: It's really very complex topics,
1:10:55
SPEAKER_03: but for example,
1:10:56
SPEAKER_03: one part of it is,
1:10:58
SPEAKER_03: and it's all conditioned by the certain worldview,
1:11:02
SPEAKER_03: which not everyone would share,
1:11:04
SPEAKER_03: but in my case,
1:11:06
at least like how I untangled it is I discovered that the
1:11:16
biggest part of the
1:11:17
trauma was coming from past lives like in my past lives I like
1:11:28
my previous in
1:11:29
SPEAKER_03: Korean issues experienced a lot of like experiences of rape
1:11:37
But walking with past lives also led me to this experience of
1:11:45
the connection to the
1:11:47
SPEAKER_03: goddess's energy,
1:11:49
SPEAKER_03: which actually,
1:11:58
SPEAKER_03: in my perception,
1:12:00
SPEAKER_03: both things were related.
1:12:05
SPEAKER_03: because it's actually all about the sex and the relationship with men the
1:12:13
relationship with the power and how the women's power is being
1:12:20
held by the women
1:12:23
themselves but also by the women themselves but also how it's
1:12:26
treated in the world
1:12:33
SPEAKER_03: and so it's
1:12:36
So it's about first remembering that I am more than just this
1:12:45
limited identity in
1:12:47
SPEAKER_03: this incarnation,
1:12:50
SPEAKER_03: in this experience but also remembering that from one experience there is
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SPEAKER_03: connection to more resources
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Every difficult experience may be the turning point for
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transforming the trauma
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SPEAKER_03: into the resource.
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SPEAKER_00: It sounds very similar to how Yulia, right?
1:13:26
SPEAKER_00: How you also describe your connection points beyond
1:13:31
SPEAKER_00: Just the lonely individual experience,
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like the connection with the elements and in Ida's case
1:13:37
connection with the goddess
1:13:40
SPEAKER_00: energy,
1:13:40
SPEAKER_00: this ability to share what could be such a limited and painful and
1:13:47
and very traumatic energy source energy pattern that may not
1:13:53
even be generated from
1:13:54
this lifetime right but the concept of like you don't have to
1:13:58
sit with it alone and
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make that the definition of this life this is who you are this
1:14:04
is what you're about
1:14:05
but actually expanding beyond it into whether it's the elements
1:14:10
of nature into the
1:14:11
SPEAKER_00: elements of like higher powers um
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and I also love that both of you reflected on this desire to
1:14:25
own all of it as me
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it's all part of me whether it's learned or it's innate it is
1:14:32
my experience and
1:14:33
Yulia even said she wants to claim it as her experience whether
1:14:37
it's good or bad
1:14:38
SPEAKER_00: learned or or like
1:14:41
you're forced into this right like all of it is on the spectrum
1:14:45
of this this
1:14:46
incarnation there's also all these other elements from
1:14:49
potentially previous lives
1:14:51
right from um like in my case I I felt like I adapted adopted
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like adopted some of
1:15:03
SPEAKER_00: the
1:15:07
Perspectives of what a female is and also some of the traumatic
1:15:12
things that females
1:15:13
SPEAKER_00: like women go through from my grandparents or from my mom because of the
1:15:18
experiences they went through and because of how they
1:15:22
interacted with those
1:15:23
experiences they were almost like templating it this is how our
1:15:29
lives go this is
1:15:30
what happens to us so this will also happen to you this is this
1:15:34
is the plight of
1:15:36
SPEAKER_00: the woman in the incarnation.
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SPEAKER_02: Geomorphic resonance field.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_00: The morphic resonance field of my family and of the Russian woman.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_00: I was very aware of the energetics of that template.
1:15:55
SPEAKER_00: What is a Russian woman like versus what am I like as a woman?
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and I still don't know because it's taken so many years to shed
1:16:04
the layers and
1:16:06
maybe not shed like if we're if we're owning it as part of us
1:16:10
right then we're
1:16:11
SPEAKER_00: welcoming it but we're also I'm also
1:16:16
moving it aside so I could also make more space for like what
1:16:20
is my unique
1:16:21
expression of woman in this incarnation yes welcoming and
1:16:27
claiming what I've been
1:16:29
through and what we've collectively been through as women as
1:16:33
Russian women as women
1:16:34
on this earth whatever right as women that potentially were men
1:16:38
at in other
1:16:40
SPEAKER_00: lifetimes like all of it and yet still making room for
1:16:46
Not just what is my natural capacity of woman but also like
1:16:52
what do I want it to be
1:16:54
because I have choice I have choice about how I want to express
1:17:00
and what I want to
1:17:01
express and I have choice about changing my mind when and what
1:17:05
I want to express
1:17:07
SPEAKER_00: and what does it mean or doesn't mean What's coming up Yulia I like that
1:17:17
SPEAKER_02: in your mind.
1:17:19
SPEAKER_02: Being officially allowed to change my mind any moment.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_03: That's right.
1:17:27
SPEAKER_03: This is what choice is about.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_03: If you can't change your mind, you don't have a choice.
1:17:33
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_00: Girls, this has been such a...
1:17:39
SPEAKER_00: Girls, women.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_00: This has been a really juicy...
1:17:46
um flowy actually a pleasant experience discovering this and
1:17:54
learning more about
1:17:55
you and where you sit with all of this um i don't know why i
1:17:59
was worried about
1:18:00
doing this topic because i've really quite had a really lovely
1:18:05
time today and just
1:18:08
SPEAKER_00: to close off i want to ask
1:18:12
You know,
1:18:13
what questions are still alive for you after this conversation?
1:18:18
SPEAKER_00: What feels like maybe is a beginning of a new exploration?
1:18:23
SPEAKER_00: What's here for you?
1:18:25
SPEAKER_00: What are you taking away?
1:18:30
SPEAKER_01: What else is out there?
1:18:32
SPEAKER_03: This is the question that is still open
1:18:42
SPEAKER_00: In terms of women?
1:18:45
SPEAKER_03: In terms, yeah, in terms of women, women, women too.
1:18:51
SPEAKER_00: And what of what we can remember?
1:18:52
SPEAKER_00: Are you speaking to what Yulia was saying?
1:18:55
SPEAKER_03: What can we remember about what does it mean to be a woman?
1:19:00
SPEAKER_03: What can we remember about how to be women in
1:19:11
in the world in this world in any other world what the world
1:19:17
can be if we remember
1:19:19
more about what does it mean to be a woman yeah and you're
1:19:29
yours yeah that makes me
1:19:34
SPEAKER_02: wonder also about remembering but also
1:19:41
SPEAKER_02: some weird ways of doing that.
1:19:46
I just finished a book that I read I think in a day and it was
1:19:51
this theory about
1:19:54
this theory that you know the way of certain ways of being that
1:20:01
humans had
1:20:03
SPEAKER_02: especially with the environment and the non-human world which was
1:20:12
SPEAKER_02: co-creating, but also feeling each other.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_02: So it was mutual, well, the plot of that book.
1:20:22
SPEAKER_02: So it was mutual,
1:20:23
SPEAKER_02: you know,
1:20:24
the humans always recognizing and sensing into the environment
1:20:29
and the environment
1:20:30
also recognizing and sensing the humans and communicating in
1:20:35
certain ways.
1:20:37
and how it was lost and how there was this theory that you know
1:20:44
whatever is long
1:20:46
lost it's never lost but it kind of leaked somewhere so there
1:20:53
is this world where
1:20:55
SPEAKER_02: that knowledge still is but it's not on this plane it's
1:21:00
but it's through like certain experiences that you can get
1:21:03
there and so that's
1:21:05
where in that world is where the plot of the book and the
1:21:10
action took place and it
1:21:14
was actually yeah so that just makes me think about a wealth of
1:21:26
experiences
1:21:29
that are only limited by our imagination that I think can help
1:21:35
us bring back some
1:21:37
SPEAKER_02: of the memories.
1:21:43
I want an episode where you actually take us through some of
1:21:47
these experiences or share them.
1:21:52
SPEAKER_02: It was totally just in the moment that it came up, Pauline, I didn't
1:22:01
of course tons of experiences right well you have experimented
1:22:05
with a lot Ira has
1:22:06
experimented with a lot we all have so but there are more
1:22:10
that's what I'm saying
1:22:11
like there are more and I think you know the more we experiment
1:22:16
the wider the range
1:22:18
and the bigger the assortment is because as with when we start
1:22:22
it just like things
1:22:23
SPEAKER_02: open up because the energy is there
1:22:27
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
1:22:28
SPEAKER_00: The more we experiment,
1:22:29
the wider the range and the more the assortment of all that is
1:22:33
available becomes
1:22:35
SPEAKER_01: available to be claimed by us.
1:22:39
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
1:22:43
SPEAKER_00: I want to ask one more question before we finish, actually.
1:22:47
SPEAKER_00: So I mentioned, I shared with you that actually this was a really
1:22:53
SPEAKER_00: Pleasant,
1:22:54
SPEAKER_00: fun experience for me today,
1:22:56
even though it was an unclear territory when we were stepping
1:23:00
into it at first.
1:23:01
SPEAKER_00: How was it for you, if you don't mind sharing?
1:23:07
SPEAKER_03: It was magical.
1:23:15
SPEAKER_02: It was quite flowy.
1:23:18
SPEAKER_02: And the first time, Pauline, you brought up
1:23:23
this topic as potentially the topic that you're going to
1:23:26
facilitate the first
1:23:27
reaction that I experienced was a lot of resistance no clue why
1:23:33
it was and we
1:23:35
shortly exchanged on the resistance but but actually when you
1:23:42
announced today I
1:23:44
think our time right that it's going to be this topic the
1:23:49
resistance wasn't there
1:23:49
SPEAKER_02: anymore oh cool
1:23:54
So you circulated,
1:23:55
we circulated the energy and it was able to shift and move.
1:23:58
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
1:24:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:24:04
SPEAKER_00: Anything else?
1:24:06
SPEAKER_00: It was a lot of fun.
1:24:08
SPEAKER_00: Anything else you want to leave us with before we close off?
1:24:14
I just want to thank both of you for being willing to go on
1:24:19
this journey into
1:24:23
Weird and maybe difficult and unclear and like we never know
1:24:28
what's gonna come up
1:24:29
how can we jive with this I just appreciate that both of you
1:24:32
are up for whatever it
1:24:34
is that all of us collectively and individually want to dive
1:24:38
into okay well
1:24:43
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1:24:44
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1:24:48
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SPEAKER_00: This is...
1:25:12
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1:25:16
that are having these
1:25:17
discussions and but I my personal desire is that we more of us
1:25:24
talk about this
1:25:25
stuff and share and get to know one another on these topics
1:25:30
that just are taken for
1:25:32
SPEAKER_00: granted but they're so rich and they're so much of like a doorway
1:25:39
Just like what you said you know in the beginning your first
1:25:41
response was like
1:25:41
there was like this portal right that opened up when when we
1:25:44
interacted with the
1:25:45
word woman that's what I feel like it's a portal for us into
1:25:49
the morphic resonance
1:25:51
of all that knowledge and brilliance of what does it mean to be
1:25:56
woman for us to
1:25:58
SPEAKER_00: claim and interact with and
1:26:01
the more we share and and we really show up like this with one
1:26:05
another I feel like
1:26:05
that portal is going to become so much juicier and the access
1:26:09
points are going to
1:26:09
become so much faster it's going to be like zoom zoom zoom zoom
1:26:14
so that's that's my
1:26:16
SPEAKER_00: secret desire for all of us okay thank you so much for the topic and for
1:26:24
SPEAKER_02: facilitating yeah I'm glad we did it
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