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The Cost of Saying Yes: Energy, Hormones, and Leading Without Burning Out · White Coat Black Sheep

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  Welcome to White Coat Black Sheep, where science gets curious and dogma gets
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  uncomfortable. I'm your host, Dr. Sevelli.
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  Today we talk physiology, evidence, and real-world medicine, plus the
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  questions you're not supposed to ask, but probably should.
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  If you care about your health and think there's a better way, welcome to the show.
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  This is Andrea. I'm so happy that you're here with me today. How are you?
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  I'm good. I'm so excited to be here today. It's been a long time coming.
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  Tell me about your day. How has it been? What are you walking in from?
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  A very full day. Started getting the kids up and out of the house
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  and off to school this morning, three back-to-back Zoom meetings, followed by
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  a team meeting, followed by an
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  eyebrow waxing appointment, and then a nail appointment.
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  Oh, I'm due.
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  And then back home for another Zoom, and shipping a kid off to water polo, and
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  here we are.
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  Water polo. I didn't see that one coming.
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  Yeah.
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  You're a woman who does it all. I see you as the person who does it all,
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  has it all.
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  It's really amazing. Do you ever feel tired?
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  Yes.
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  You make it look easy.
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  When it's fun and when you really enjoy something-
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  Yeah
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  ... it doesn't feel like work, and I think that's why people say, "You have to love
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  what you do, and what you
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  do shouldn't feel like work."
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  Yeah.
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  And so being a mom, running businesses, doing the things, I really do
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  enjoy it. It's the days when I plan
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  poorly or take on a little bit more than I probably
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  should, or the days when I allow other people to
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  dictate my schedule-
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  Ooh, that's a good one
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  ...
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  that those are the days when I feel just like capacity reached, max out.
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  Yes. It feels like you're trying to catch up at that point probably.
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  That's how I feel.
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  Yeah. You just feel like you don't have enough to give to everything the way that
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  you should.
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  Yeah.
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  And when you're a high achiever, when you don't feel like you've checked all the
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  boxes or you feel like you've underperformed in any area, you just beat yourself up
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  over it.
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  Totally judge yourself.
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  Yeah.
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  Yep, guilty.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's a mixture of people-pleasing for me and then also trying to
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  do time management, or maybe just I'm fully engaged into a
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  conversation and I also just lose time.
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  Yeah.
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  And then I hate myself. I'm like, "Come on, you know better."
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  Yeah. You can't beat yourself up. But one thing I did a few years
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  back to kind of protect that was I made a rule
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  that if somebody reached out and wanted to schedule something
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  for that week, if it wasn't already on the calendar, it gets bumped.
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  Okay.
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  So I kind of made that rule, and it saved me because I would be that person, kind
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  of maybe people pleaser-y, but-
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  Yeah
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  ... more or less just wanting to do the things.
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  Yeah.
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  And somebody would like, "Hey, can you jump on a call tomorrow?
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  Can you do this or can you do that?" And I'm like, "No, I can't.
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  But next week, maybe Thursday or Friday, I can."
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  That's smart.
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  "But if it's not already set-"
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  Yeah
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  "... then I'm not putting it in there."
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  Yeah.
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  And it's been amazing thing to do.
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  That's awesome. Yeah, that's like honoring your commitments that are already there.
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  Well, and also the recovery time and the space because you typically, you know, you
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  only-
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  Yeah
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  ... you plan for what you have the ability to do.
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  And so when you give-
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  Yeah
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  ... that up, you're also giving up your peace, your joy-
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  Yeah
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  ... your downtime-
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  Yeah
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  ... which we both have very little of.
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  I know. I was listening to this entrepreneur, Natalie Dawson.
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  I don't know if you... I don't-
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  Her name sounds familiar.
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  Yeah. She has a really good podcast and
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  I like her social media. But she was mentioning the
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  concept of rationing your energy and managing your energy.
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  She doesn't believe in that.
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  That's one part where I didn't fully agree because I was just like,
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  you know how you're going to feel after certain events or activities.
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  Yeah.
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  You know what your body is able to do, your range, and then if you push
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  beyond that, you get irritable. So physically, if you do it
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  and you're past your limit,
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  it's not the best version of me. I know that.
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  Yeah.
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  So I feel like I do actually need to ration my energy.
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  Yeah, and I think you just have to allocate it properly.
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  Yeah.
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  Sometimes I feel like we give too much energy where it's not-
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  Yeah
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  ... really required, when we over contribute
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  Yep
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  ... to things. There's that, or sometimes we feel the need to jump in
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  and have a say or an opinion or an idea on something when really,
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  I think we're only sent to that space to listen or moderate.
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  So I feel like-
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  I wonder how many of those I've busted through.
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  Oh my gosh. It's so hard. I think one of the biggest leadership lessons is
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  learning to listen.
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  Mm.
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  To listen. In fact, when I made the shift from being a
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  teacher to going into administration, I was young.
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  And my boss at the time, my principal at the time, gave me probably the best
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  advice that I still use today that was so great because he-- And it has to
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  do with rationing your energy because I was young.
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  Yeah.
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  And I had fresh ideas and-
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  Yeah
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  ... I was walking into an administrative position with people who had been in
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  education longer than I had been alive.
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  And I was a girl, so that meant I was kind of coming in with less
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  qualifications, maybe.
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  Yeah.
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  Perceived qualifications.
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  Yeah.
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  And so he goes, "You're full of ideas. You have great energy. You're so passionate.
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  But-
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  Ooh
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  ... when you're in these environments and you're kind of sitting round table,
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  you're going to want to jump in. You know the solution. You see the solution.
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  You think so far out in front of everyone else, and you see big
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  picture. You have to just wait and hold back and let
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  everyone else speak, let all the other things be said, because there's
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  value in listening first and making those micro adjustments."
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  Yeah.
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  At first, I was kind of offended. I was like, "What? What do you mean?
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  Why can't I just jump in there?"
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  Because he's like, "Shut it down."
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  Well, yeah.
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  Pause yourself.
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  Yeah, really protect your energy, pause yourself.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Don't be the first one. Allow, because the last thing you want is for the
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  perception to be that you're like-
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  Aggressive
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  ... aggressive or-
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  So you are-
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  ... you think you know it all or- ... whatever.
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  That's not
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  the vibe. You're like, "Ew."
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  I do, but no.
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  But yeah, but that has-
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  Yeah
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  ... to do with that energy, and so for me, that was probably the first lesson I had
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  in learning how to control-
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  ... that energy.
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  Well, it seems pretty powerful because however all these
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  different pieces have added to you, it's launched you into larger
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  platforms, running very challenging meetings.
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  I follow you on social media, so I
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  know we don't get to talk that much, but it looks
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  like there's a lot of people in these Zoom calls or these stages that you're
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  on. So managing, that's a lot of
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  people. That's a hard call. To me, that looks hard.
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  Oh, it's so fun. It is fun.
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  But yeah. Again, and that's part of why you have to take care of yourself, so you
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  have the energy to-
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  Serve
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  ... serve, and to show up, and to be there. But it is. It is.
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  People-
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  That's a skill.
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  Yes. Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  People are the worst.
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  Here, it's just us.
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  Right.
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  There's no one. You guys can't interact with us while we're here.
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  We're safe in a bubble, but-
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  But you have a lot of different inputs with the calls.
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  Yeah. I do.
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  And I'm safe from my kids here, too, needing anything. That's also nice.
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  We should just stay here.
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  I know. I'm like, "We'll get a little bed."
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  Yeah.
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  A coffee machine.
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  We have snacks and-
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  Yeah
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  ... drinks, beverages, like chessboard.
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  Board games.
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  Yeah.
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  Golden.
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  We don't really need much more.
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  No. Not at all.
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  So how do you manage your energy throughout the day?
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  It's a lot of output for you, too, between-
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  It is.
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  ... patients and facilities, and I've seen you in motion-
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  Yeah
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  ... completely engaged in something, but the calls are coming through, the text
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  messages are coming through.
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  Yeah.
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  You're having to solve really quick questions-
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  Yeah
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  ... manage really quick problems that involve the
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  state of someone else's health. It's pretty serious stuff.
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  So how do you-
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  Yeah
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  ... how do you manage that?
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  Well, yeah, it is a rationing of my energy, and
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  I definitely think about the moments that I overdo it.
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  So, it affects my vitals. I
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  feel it's very doctorly to say, but-
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  Yeah
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  ... it raises my heart rate, my HRV goes down.
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  I don't like myself like that. And just seeing the
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  impact on my health changes my behavior.
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  Yeah.
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  So, I like your rule about how
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  to schedule people because when I break my rules and I'm like,
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  I know what the next day has,
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  and then I allow add-ons-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... it feels like things do get out of control.
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  100.
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  I'm like, "Why would I do that?"
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  Well, it's kind of like if you plan a dinner-
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  Yeah
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  ... for six people,
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  and four other people are like-
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  Sounds awful
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  ... "Hey, I hear you're having a dinner party for six.
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  Can I come too?" But you only planned for six, but then, four more show up.
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  Who would say that?
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  It stresses. I don't know. Like the wrong friends. We don't have them.
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  Who would-
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  But do you know what I mean?
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  Yeah.
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  When you plan, even if you have an event-
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  Yeah
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  ... you plan for a certain number, and more people come.
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  Yeah.
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  It puts a stress on the planning, the preparation, the amount of
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  food, the settings, all of it. It does.
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  Yeah.
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  It puts stress on it. And then the load for you, too, because what was manageable
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  now became unmanageable.
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  Or past.
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  And it's that little window-
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  Yep
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  ... where we stretch ourselves beyond our capabilities.
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  And I think as women, we're in this interesting
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  catch-22-
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  Yeah
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  ... to
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  do it all really well-
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  Yeah
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  ... but also leave space to do a little bit more.
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  Yeah. Just yeah.
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  A little bit more.
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  That's exactly. Why? Where does it come from?
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  I don't know. I don't-
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  Is it good?
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  Is it societal pressure? Is it pressure we put on ourselves?
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  Is it because we feel like we're handling something so
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  well over here-
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  Yeah
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  ... that if we just take on a wee bit more-
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  I did that
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  ... to push ourselves-
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  Yeah
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  ... that we're even like, "Oh, mm, I'm better.
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  It's better."
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  Yeah.
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  No.
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  Yeah.
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  We're robbing ourselves, actually, of capability-
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  Yeah
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  ... and capacity at that point.
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  Yep.
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  Because like you said, you don't like who you are.
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  Mm.
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  And that's when we have those moments, when you like-
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  Ooh
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  ... meltdown.
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  Yeah.
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  Or you flip out on your kids.
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  It does come out with crying.
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  Or Jax. Maybe you get really spicy with Jax, and he's just like, "Wah."
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  You know? Not his-
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  He does get his feelings hurt easily.
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  You didn't give him as many treats.
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  Yeah.
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  He's like, "Bruh, she overscheduled herself today.
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  I know it."
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  "What about me? Hey, hi, down here."
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  Yeah. And that's another output, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's a whole other output.
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  Yeah.
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  It's really interesting to me, but I don't know.
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  I think that we only have so much that we can give in a day.
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  We have a social battery.
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  Yep.
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  I think we have like-
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  That's the word, social battery.
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  Yeah. We have a social battery, how much we have for others.
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  We have internal batteries-
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  Mm
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  ... for ourselves, and then every plate that we spin.
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  And so we have to be really smart and wise, and sometimes that's why I don't answer
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  my phone when certain people call because they're battery drainers.
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  I'm like, "Oh, boy."
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  Vampires.
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  Oh, boy.
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  Yep.
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  Like, no way.
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  Yep.
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  If I knew an app drained 75% of my battery if I
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  opened it, I would delete it.
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  I would never have it on my phone. But we allow ourselves to be-
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  That's good
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  ... victimized by other people's lack-
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  Yeah
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  ... of energy.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  Yeah.
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  And people come to people like us because they're like, "I need to feel better."
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  That's so true. Yeah. And then I will
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  be a part of it. I'm now complicit-
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  I know
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  ... in your needs.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Because we want to help you.
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  Yeah. I do.
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  Yeah. I want to hear about it.
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  But you can't help everybody, and so I'm really like, yeah, that is the mission
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  right now at this stage in my life.
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  Yeah, I was actually just having this conversation with
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  a friend yesterday, talking about how as we are getting older,
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  we're starting to recognize that we do have capacity.
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  I think we put blinders on at certain stages of our lives-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... and we just push and power through, and we think the burnout and the
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  meltdown is like a badge of honor. It's like, "Oh, I sleep four hours a day.
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  I'm a champion."
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  I used to be that.
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  Yes, I know. And now I'm like, if I get less than seven hours of sleep, I'm a
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  monster.
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  I don't like me. Yeah.
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  No, and I'm exhausted, and I don't function as well.
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  And so just recognizing that
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  capacity and being okay with that, you know what?
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  Yeah.
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  I don't have as big of a tolerance.
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  Yeah.
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  I want to be very selective-
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  Yeah
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  ... about how I spend my time, who I spend my time with, because-
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  Yep
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  ... the amount of time we have is really-
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  Precious.
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  It is. And then if you're snapping or biting people or giving
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  zingers, one-liners, snarky,
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  moody-
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  Disheveled
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  ... yeah, and that impacts your mindset.
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  Yeah.
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  And whatever mindset you bring into a situation, your mindset is a filter, right?
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  Yeah.
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  So if you come in in that
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  less than ideal mindset-
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  Yeah
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  ... then everything you perceive is coming right through that.
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  So it could
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  potentially bring about a conflict that otherwise wouldn't have existed.
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  Definitely.
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  Or some other thoughts that maybe wouldn't have been there.
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  Yeah.
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  They create tensions and stuff, so it's just, I don't know.
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  I think we need to protect our energy. We need to protect our mindsets.
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  Yep.
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  We need to protect our peace.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah.
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  Yep.
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  You know?
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  No, definitely.
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  That's why you don't go to Trader Joe's like it-
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  I made it to the parking lot the other day
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  ... certain times of day.
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  No, I made it to the parking lot and I was like-
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  Yeah, I know
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  ... this is yesterday. I said-
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  Yes
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  ... "No,
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  nope."
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  I've got to protect my peace.
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  I reversed and I went home and I did Uber Eats.
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  Oh.
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  I felt like I was really about to go in there, but then I'm like, "I just
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  can't. I'm not the best version of me right now.
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  If I go in there, I should just call it."
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  Yeah.
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  That's a real thing.
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  It is a real thing. We have a rule at our house, if there's more than five cars in
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  the drive-through, we go inside, or we don't go in. Or we just don't go.
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  That's a good rule.
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  Because I don't want to waste all that time, right?
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  Yeah.
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  In the drive-through. But same thing, if there's no parking at Trader Joe's, I'm
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  just like-
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  It's a bad
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  ... I guess we're not eating tomorrow.
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  Going home.
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  That's really good.
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  Not grocery shopping.
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  Yeah, and the aisles are small.
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  Well, have you been in the new one?
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  I don't think so. Where is it?
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  On Coffee. They-
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  Oh, the new place.
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  It's the same place.
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  What? Yeah.
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  They bought the building next door and they expanded.
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  Oh.
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  So it's completely remodeled. I will say, though,
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  I love how much more space there is and it's more open.
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  Yeah.
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  But I feel like big open grocery stores are overwhelming.
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  They are.
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  I don't love them.
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  No, it gives me anxiety.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  I used to appreciate the smaller part because people knew
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  the flow.
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  Yeah.
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  Everybody went in on the right and everybody knew the flow.
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  Yeah, and their circuit.
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  And now people are going this way and that way, and I'm just like-
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  Oh, no
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  ... "You're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong.
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  What is happening?"
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  You're triggered. Loss of control.
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  Beyond. I'm like, "Your cart..." It's like when someone's driving on the wrong side
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  of the road. I'm like, "Why are you over here?"
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  You haven't even been down that one aisle yet with the spices.
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  I can tell by your cart. Go back.
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  That's hilarious.
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  It is. It's really bad.
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  Oh.
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  They're the weird things you notice as you get older, like who are we?
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  I don't know.
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  How did we go from thinking about the kind of house we want to live in and dreaming
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  that way to, I used to see people's houses and like, "Oh, that's really...
• 14:50
  I like this style." Or this is, I know I'm like, "I wonder what that bush is
• 14:54
  called. What kind of plant is that?"
• 14:58
  How much water does it need?
• 14:59
  Ah.
• 15:00
  Can it survive on air?
• 15:01
  Yeah, I wonder who did their landscaping.
• 15:03
  What is happening? It's so strange.
• 15:05
  Water filters.
• 15:07
  I know.
• 15:07
  Our first conversation today.
• 15:08
  I want one.
• 15:09
  Yeah.
• 15:09
  Oh yeah, fancy stuff.
• 15:10
  Yeah.
• 15:11
  The things that start to matter.
• 15:12
  If it makes you live longer and it brings you joy or it
• 15:16
  lightens your load, your burden, I'm all about it.
• 15:20
  I'm like, "That's a yes for me. I need it."
• 15:22
  Yeah. You'll never believe this, but the other day the gardeners were at the house
• 15:24
  and on the side yard where the pool is and some of my citrus trees are,
• 15:29
  the dogs love to just run back and forth and whatnot, and who knows what gets
• 15:33
  back there, but he was like, "Oh, do you want me to spray all these weeds?" And I
• 15:36
  was like, "No."
• 15:38
  He was like... And I was like, "I like to pick them." There is something very
• 15:42
  satisfying about going into the dirt with your fingernails just
• 15:46
  done or not just done, and pulling a weed completely
• 15:50
  out.
• 15:50
  Full root.
• 15:51
  Yeah, full root. So satisfying. How do we go from being-
• 15:54
  I love this
• 15:56
  ... pimple popping-
• 15:57
  Yeah
• 15:57
  ... was satisfying back in the day.
• 15:59
  Yeah.
• 15:59
  But now I'm like, I see weeds in people's yards-
• 16:01
  We've had an escalate
• 16:02
  ... and I'm just like, "Oh my God.
• 16:04
  I'm so tempted to pluck that right now."
• 16:08
  Sorry, excuse me, may I pluck your weeds?
• 16:10
  Yeah.
• 16:10
  I need this. It's for me. Is that okay?
• 16:13
  Do you mind if I put my hands in your garden?
• 16:18
  Have you done that?
• 16:19
  I don't ask, I just do it.
• 16:20
  You just think you-
• 16:21
  My neighbors probably think I'm so kind. I just have some disorder.
• 16:25
  Stop it.
• 16:27
  They're like, "Oops, there she is out there again, picking weeds in the flower
• 16:30
  bed."
• 16:30
  I'm dying. I thought we were really about to end the sentence with like, "No,
• 16:34
  I haven't crossed that line yet." But you're like, "No, I don't ask."
• 16:38
  I don't ask. I just do it.
• 16:39
  That's the best way.
• 16:40
  I just feel like it's my
• 16:43
  doing my part as a neighborhood in our cul-de-sac, okay?
• 16:46
  That's awesome.
• 16:47
  Yeah. But yeah, I told my lawn guy, I was like-
• 16:50
  Team player
• 16:50
  ... "Don't do it. Let me pick them all out," and then you can-
• 16:52
  Was he baffled by your space?
• 16:53
  Oh, yeah. He was like, "Are you sure?" And I was like, "Yeah. So sure.
• 16:57
  I can't wait to get out here and go to town." It's going to be so fun.
• 17:01
  But what is it? What happened? Where did that change?
• 17:05
  I think that is instant gratification.
• 17:07
  Yeah, probably. And just putting your hands in the dirt and like-
• 17:10
  Yeah, grounding
• 17:11
  ... also, yeah, taking care of your own home and doing some of those things.
• 17:15
  Yeah.
• 17:16
  Yeah.
• 17:16
  Yeah, it's very, I don't know. I think it settles the
• 17:20
  mind.
• 17:21
  I think so too.
• 17:22
  Yeah.
• 17:22
  What is the disconnect? Because when you're out there and you're doing that, it's
• 17:24
  literally all you can think about and focus on.
• 17:27
  Yeah.
• 17:29
  One weed at a time.
• 17:30
  Yeah. I'm telling you, grass looks great right now.
• 17:33
  It could backfire though, if it snaps and you don't get the full root.
• 17:36
  Listen,
• 17:37
  that is when I-
• 17:38
  I don't want to see this
• 17:39
  ... I put my index finger to work.
• 17:42
  And I dig all around it and make sure it comes out, because I can't just leave it
• 17:45
  behind.
• 17:46
  Oh, my God.
• 17:46
  Just can't do it. No weed left behind, my friend.
• 17:51
  Well done.
• 17:53
  Okay, that is everything.
• 17:57
  I'm going to start picking weeds.
• 17:58
  I'm telling you, it is-
• 17:59
  I feel inspired to pick weeds
• 18:00
  ... it is so fantastic. And then you just see this big, and it's crazy because you
• 18:04
  see them in the ground and you're like, "Oh, there's 10 or 15." And then you pull
• 18:06
  them out, and they make a mound, and you're like, "Wow."
• 18:09
  Yes.
• 18:09
  It feels so good.
• 18:11
  So good. The only things I never thought I'd care about.
• 18:14
  You must water your garden frequently.
• 18:17
  The sprinklers.
• 18:17
  I don't think I have a weed problem. I think it's more of a death problem.
• 18:21
  Oh. Yeah, I think it's more of, I live kind of on the outskirts and
• 18:25
  the dust blows seedlings from all the things everywhere. Ooh, okay.
• 18:29
  Yeah.
• 18:31
  Do you cook? I love to cook. Do you cook? No. Not at all?
• 18:35
  But I need to relearn how to cook. I- Aw, I'll teach you. Yeah, please.
• 18:39
  I need a few recipes because I'm tired of Uber Eats. Yeah.
• 18:43
  It's time. Well, and can we talk about Uber Eats for just a second? Yes.
• 18:47
  Because the other day, I was taking one of my children to
• 18:51
  a unnamed restaurant after school because they were hungry,
• 18:54
  which is typical. That's all they do is eat.
• 18:56
  And
• 18:58
  there's a lot of DoorDash, Uber Eats drivers that hang out in this
• 19:02
  particular parking lot, especially in the after-school hours, probably because a
• 19:04
  lot of calls come in, I'd imagine. Mm-hmm.
• 19:06
  And I watched a driver come in and grab a bag as I
• 19:10
  was waiting for my daughter,
• 19:13
  come out, and in the front seat of the car was a woman who was barefoot
• 19:18
  with her feet hanging out the window, and she was smoking.
• 19:21
  And he gets into the car and just hands her the bag, and then she
• 19:25
  pulls her feet back inside, and then rolls up the window.
• 19:29
  And I thought to myself,
• 19:31
  "That is going to be transported with who
• 19:35
  knows what- ... in this space, and then delivered to some unsuspecting
• 19:38
  person-" Mm-hmm ... completely unaware.
• 19:40
  I don't know, something about it freaks me out.
• 19:44
  I haven't experienced that visual, but it definitely- Like, what if somebody farts-
• 19:48
  ... makes you think ... while we're driving?
• 19:49
  Then you have some particles in your- I'm not okay with that ...
• 19:52
  it's like aerospace- I am not okay with that ... of your food.
• 19:55
  Yeah, I know. I used to teach this really amazing- No
• 19:59
  farting in the notes. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, right. Could you imagine?
• 20:02
  You're like... Then they would just be like,
• 20:05
  right into your bag. You're asking for it. Yeah, you should...
• 20:09
  No, no, no. But yeah, I just... Okay, so back to this. This is bad.
• 20:11
  Okay, I'm going to teach you how to cook. Okay. Okay, perfect.
• 20:15
  What
• 20:16
  do you want to learn how to cook? I like simple things, so
• 20:19
  I think on the same concept of weed picking-
• 20:23
  Mm ... that instant gratification of- Yeah ... making a meal.
• 20:26
  I haven't done that in a very long time. Aw.
• 20:29
  But I'm ready. I want to get back to it.
• 20:31
  I want to do very simple ingredients.
• 20:34
  I usually like some form of a simple carb,
• 20:38
  vegetable medley. Yeah. Just straight from
• 20:42
  the bag, put that into the microwave or something, or the air fryer.
• 20:46
  Yeah. That's the best I can do. Okay. That's good. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
• 20:49
  I mean, that's a start. Yeah, and then a meat. Now, the meat is stressful.
• 20:52
  And a meat, she said. And a meat. Some sort of meat.
• 20:56
  But I feel like I'm burnt out on certain things, like chicken.
• 21:00
  Mm. And then,
• 21:02
  with my microbiome testing and all these things I now know
• 21:06
  about my body- Mm-hmm
• 21:09
  ... without making it a big deal, lamb,
• 21:13
  it's not my favorite preference anyway, but lamb is on my no list.
• 21:17
  Duck is on the no list.
• 21:20
  Steak, limit,
• 21:22
  and then fish, most fish is okay. Okay.
• 21:25
  What's your blood type?
• 21:27
  I'm AB. Okay. Yeah.
• 21:30
  Yeah. My boys are both AB. I was just asking because there's like...
• 21:34
  Did you know that AB is the newest blood type? What do you mean?
• 21:37
  I love blood type science. I think it's really fascinating.
• 21:40
  I don't really know anything about it.
• 21:41
  Oh my gosh, that's probably a whole other episode.
• 21:43
  But-
• 21:44
  It's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Clock it. What is it? Okay. Clock it.
• 21:48
  Is this a podcast or it's a book? There's all kinds of information.
• 21:52
  There's a book out there. There's a lot of research out there just behind blood
• 21:54
  type diet and associated- Huh ... exercises with blood
• 21:58
  types that the body responds to, and so it's really interesting. Wow.
• 22:02
  So in some of the coaching that I do, like the life coaching that I do, there is a
• 22:05
  wellness component because you can't address most things until you start
• 22:09
  with the wellness- Yeah ... aspect, right? Yeah.
• 22:11
  And so, I love to do that deep dive with people to figure that out because if
• 22:15
  you're not eating the right foods and it kind of has your body under attack,
• 22:19
  it's going to affect your mood, your energy, and all those things. Yeah.
• 22:21
  So, O is the oldest blood type.
• 22:25
  Take it way back- Yeah ... beginning of time, long time blood type. Like ancestral.
• 22:28
  Yes. And so all those people thrive on
• 22:32
  carnivore- Oh ... thrive on heavy meat- Okay
• 22:36
  ... style diets. Yeah. And they thrive, and their bodies really
• 22:39
  benefit from
• 22:43
  CrossFit style HIIT exercises, really intense
• 22:47
  physical workouts. They feel the best.
• 22:49
  Well, their body responds the best. So that's your Os.
• 22:53
  And then you have your As, like I'm A positive, and so for my blood type,
• 22:56
  we run really high
• 22:59
  energetically, emotionally- Makes sense ... all the things. We're- Yeah ...
• 23:01
  high people. Well, not high high, but like high high.
• 23:04
  And so- High on life ... high on life. Yeah.
• 23:07
  And so we do better with lean
• 23:11
  white meat, so like white fish, chicken.
• 23:14
  Red meat is an agitator to our systems, and we do- Interesting ...
• 23:17
  better with lots of fruits and vegetables.
• 23:19
  Like Whole30 is our love language. Wow.
• 23:22
  And then when it comes to exercise, CrossFit and HIIT can cause extreme
• 23:26
  inflammation- Wow ... and actually cause you to gain weight
• 23:30
  and put your body in a high-stress state, which you already
• 23:34
  operate in. Yeah. Cortisol spikes- Yeah. Oh my gosh ... can't handle it. Yes.
• 23:38
  Can't build muscle. Yes. And so we do better with more grounding
• 23:42
  exercises, yoga, Pilates, barre- That's fascinating ... things like that.
• 23:46
  Then
• 23:47
  the newest blood type, it's only like 1,000 years old, which
• 23:51
  is the newest. 1,000 years old. Only just 1,000 years old. But it's the AB. Wow.
• 23:54
  That's the newest. And so AB have qualities of
• 23:59
  the As and the Bs, and
• 24:02
  there's not as much extensive research because it's-
• 24:06
  Newer ... newer. Yeah. But it is really
• 24:10
  interesting- Yeah ... the science and stuff, but what's- That's awesome ...
• 24:13
  crazy is that with type A, gluten, dairy, and red meat are all
• 24:17
  high things that we should avoid. Yeah.
• 24:19
  And in 2013, so like 13 years ago or so, that's when I started
• 24:23
  developing sensitivities to gluten and dairy. That's me.
• 24:26
  After having a sensitivity develop to red meat in 2006. Mm-hmm.
• 24:30
  I just think that's fascinating that my body eventually rebelled.
• 24:33
  Yeah.
• 24:33
  Yeah. So every time my daughter-
• 24:34
  Interesting
• 24:34
  ... who's also A positive, wants to go eat a steak, I'm like, "Listen, girl, enjoy
• 24:37
  it while you can."
• 24:39
  Yeah.
• 24:40
  Because your body's going to turn on you.
• 24:41
  Oh, it's so evil.
• 24:44
  I know. Okay, so no duck. Okay. Yeah, I could totally teach you some fun things.
• 24:47
  So I love to cook. I like to experiment and create fun
• 24:51
  flavors and pairings, and a lot of it is trial by
• 24:55
  fire.
• 24:56
  Okay.
• 24:56
  And so-
• 24:56
  I'm ready for this
• 24:57
  ... that's fun to me.
• 24:59
  Okay.
• 24:59
  I love that.
• 25:00
  So what does that look like, trial by fire? I feel slightly scared and excited.
• 25:05
  Something will just sound like it would taste amazing.
• 25:08
  Yeah.
• 25:08
  Because I love food, I love to eat, I love to cook.
• 25:10
  So one time, I grilled up turkey burgers, and I had
• 25:13
  apricots.
• 25:14
  Oh.
• 25:15
  So I took the apricots, and I turned them face down on the grill, sliced them open
• 25:18
  to remove the pit.
• 25:19
  Yeah.
• 25:19
  So I had grilled apricots, turkey burger. I had some type of bib lettuce.
• 25:22
  I don't even know what it was. And then I had goat cheese that I whisked up with
• 25:26
  some olive oil and smooshed it-
• 25:28
  This is so fancy
• 25:28
  ... in the pit of the grilled apricot and did a balsamic
• 25:31
  drizzle. Balsamic drizzle can pretty much go on everything, probably, but Froot
• 25:34
  Loops. And- ... it was so good. It was one of those
• 25:38
  wild concoctions and it was amazing.
• 25:39
  This feels advanced. I love that.
• 25:42
  But it's easy.
• 25:42
  Yeah.
• 25:43
  You know?
• 25:44
  And all of those items are right on my food list.
• 25:46
  Yeah.
• 25:46
  Those are all-
• 25:48
  Clean, healthy.
• 25:48
  Yes.
• 25:48
  Yes.
• 25:48
  Turkey is good for me.
• 25:50
  Yeah. So it was super yummy.
• 25:51
  It's actually ranked, I think, top of my list as
• 25:55
  recommendations for me.
• 25:56
  Oh, yeah.
• 25:57
  Yeah.
• 25:57
  Perfect.
• 25:58
  I can do turkey burgers with apricot and balsamic and, what else?
• 26:02
  Yeah.
• 26:02
  Goat cheese?
• 26:02
  Yeah, goat cheese. Mm.
• 26:03
  And bib lettuce.
• 26:04
  Yeah.
• 26:04
  I can do that.
• 26:05
  Oh, so easy.
• 26:06
  Yeah. Ground turkey. You can do all-
• 26:08
  Yeah
• 26:08
  ... of the fun things.
• 26:09
  Avoiding cheese is recommended, but I have to look up goat cheese.
• 26:12
  I don't remember.
• 26:13
  There's no dairy in there, so I think she'd be fine.
• 26:15
  Okay.
• 26:15
  Yeah. Goat feta.
• 26:17
  Okay.
• 26:17
  Nothing better.
• 26:19
  Anything you want, just avoid the cheddar.
• 26:24
  I didn't see all of that coming.
• 26:25
  I know.
• 26:26
  That-
• 26:26
  Most people don't
• 26:26
  ... that was pretty good.
• 26:27
  It's also a disorder.
• 26:30
  You couldn't stop it.
• 26:31
  I know.
• 26:31
  It just-
• 26:32
  My brain was already there. It already happened.
• 26:35
  I love it.
• 26:36
  It comes out, and then I step back into time.
• 26:38
  I'm like, "Okay."
• 26:38
  You're like-
• 26:39
  "There we go"
• 26:39
  ... "Well, phew, I feel better."
• 26:40
  Yeah.
• 26:40
  Yeah.
• 26:41
  My latest obsession in the kitchen, though, is all things chia.
• 26:44
  Mm.
• 26:45
  Pudding things.
• 26:46
  So what does that mean? So I put chia seeds in my oatmeal.
• 26:49
  So with chia, well, it all kind of started because I had some
• 26:53
  extensive blood work done.
• 26:55
  That's awesome. Okay. The blood work changes
• 26:59
  behavior.
• 27:00
  Yeah, especially when you find out...
• 27:02
  Okay, listen, knowing what you
• 27:06
  know about me, you've seen me, we hang out, and you know my
• 27:09
  lifestyle, where would you rate me on a scale of being healthy on a scale of one to
• 27:12
  10?
• 27:13
  10 out of 10.
• 27:14
  That's very nice.
• 27:15
  You're one of the healthiest people that I know.
• 27:17
  You obviously-
• 27:17
  I don't see you cheat on any diet.
• 27:19
  Oh my gosh. You don't know about my Oreo problem?
• 27:21
  I don't know about your Oreo problem. Your sleep score is probably phenomenal.
• 27:25
  It's pretty good.
• 27:26
  Your exercise frequency and regularity is probably dialed
• 27:29
  in. I think stress management, you appear to have good
• 27:33
  stress management.
• 27:35
  Yeah.
• 27:35
  Am I right?
• 27:36
  You're pretty spot on. And I considered myself to be pretty healthy,
• 27:40
  but back in February, I started not feeling like myself.
• 27:43
  What'd you find?
• 27:45
  And I went to my doctor, and she did basic labs.
• 27:47
  Yeah.
• 27:47
  And they all came back-
• 27:48
  So nothing.
• 27:49
  Yeah. They all came back like, "Oh, everything looks great." And I'm like, "No, I
• 27:52
  don't feel like me." And I know
• 27:55
  me.
• 27:56
  Yeah.
• 27:56
  So I went back and got some more extensive blood work done and
• 28:00
  got my biological age.
• 28:02
  I love it. How old were you?
• 28:04
  I was
• 28:06
  disappointed.
• 28:08
  I really wanted it to come back at like 27.
• 28:11
  Okay. That's ambitious. But that's-
• 28:16
  Not because you're so far from it,
• 28:19
  but the 20s are hard to get into.
• 28:22
  I love how you said ambitious and not calm. And so yeah, ambitious.
• 28:26
  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I really wanted to be like 27, but it came back
• 28:30
  38.
• 28:31
  Okay.
• 28:31
  So that's five years.
• 28:32
  I'm also 38.
• 28:33
  Oh, your biological age?
• 28:34
  I'm 38.
• 28:34
  Oh.
• 28:34
  And I was younger, okay? So-
• 28:36
  Yeah, because we're both 43, because our birthdays are only a couple months apart.
• 28:38
  Yes.
• 28:39
  Yeah.
• 28:39
  We're basically sisters.
• 28:40
  Yeah. Basically sisters. Blood type slightly different. Mine's younger.
• 28:45
  She's a thousand years-
• 28:46
  It's newer. But you're also younger than me by a couple months, so whatever.
• 28:48
  Yeah.
• 28:49
  Just numbers. Like it's math, really. Who's counting these?
• 28:52
  I know.
• 28:53
  She's a thousand years younger.
• 28:55
  Yeah.
• 28:55
  But yeah, so it came back 38, so I was like, "Okay, that's not
• 28:59
  terrible."
• 29:00
  Yeah.
• 29:01
  And that also means it could be better.
• 29:02
  So when I looked at-
• 29:03
  Yes
• 29:03
  ... what shocked me in the blood work, the thing that stood out to me, because you
• 29:07
  get your numbers and you see what's out of range, see what's in range, and you see
• 29:10
  all the things. And
• 29:13
  came back with the notes as a high risk for a sudden
• 29:17
  cardiac event.
• 29:19
  It was your
• 29:20
  lipids, right? Was it on your-
• 29:23
  My omegas.
• 29:24
  Oh.
• 29:24
  My omega-3s. So there's an omega index, which I think all women, and I know
• 29:28
  you coach and talk and teach-
• 29:30
  Yep
• 29:30
  ... and educate and empower a lot of women when it comes to really
• 29:34
  advocating for themselves-
• 29:35
  Yeah
• 29:35
  ... and their health.
• 29:38
  The omega index is not talked about enough with women.
• 29:41
  No, I agree.
• 29:41
  And
• 29:42
  mine was like a 2.9.
• 29:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 29:45
  And so on the index, the scale of one to 10, anything from three and
• 29:49
  under puts you at a high risk for a sudden cardiac event.
• 29:53
  Yeah.
• 29:53
  And then you have your moderate level, which it's like you should be paying
• 29:56
  attention big time, and then you have-
• 29:58
  Yeah
• 29:58
  ... you're in the clear.
• 29:59
  Yeah.
• 30:00
  And as somebody with a family that there's a history of heart disease-
• 30:03
  Mm-hmm
• 30:03
  ... and everything else, and just knowing that heart disease is such a
• 30:07
  contentious stinker when it comes to women's health.
• 30:10
  Almost makes it cute.
• 30:12
  Yeah, I know. That's probably an unfair characterization.
• 30:15
  But like-
• 30:16
  I can see the face on this thing.
• 30:17
  Yeah. You know, she's just like, "Hmph."
• 30:18
  Yeah.
• 30:21
  Like a little rotten tomato.
• 30:23
  Yeah.
• 30:23
  But it's a big deal, and so I was shocked, and
• 30:27
  honestly, it kind of freaked me out.
• 30:29
  And so I was like, "All right, what's a fast, like ChatGPT, what is
• 30:33
  the fastest way for me to increase my omega index?"
• 30:36
  What'd it say? Fiber?
• 30:37
  Came back with chia. Chia-
• 30:38
  Oh, chia
• 30:39
  ... and hemp seeds are really high in omega-3 and six fatty acids.
• 30:42
  And so-
• 30:42
  Have you done a retest?
• 30:43
  No, I actually have blood work coming next month, so I can't wait to see how that's
• 30:46
  improved. I'm excited and nervous. Things- Yeah ...
• 30:48
  because I've been doing chia pudding literally every day for the last 90 days, but
• 30:51
  I'm obsessed with it. And I've become this chia influencer.
• 30:55
  It's really weird, the number of people who are like, "I'm doing this too, and I
• 30:59
  ordered your jars too, and what's our next recipe or our focus?" And I'm like, "Oh,
• 31:02
  my gosh, this is a lot of unexpected pressure around this whole chia situation."
• 31:06
  But literally, the women coming back to me talking about how much better they feel,
• 31:10
  how it's made their cravings at bay, how their
• 31:14
  digestion has improved. I've never had more conversations
• 31:18
  about the length
• 31:20
  of someone's
• 31:22
  porcelain deposit
• 31:24
  than I have recently. I wasn't sure if we were in the
• 31:27
  sexual bucket or the
• 31:30
  disposal. So remember, women and length, that could be concerning.
• 31:36
  But yeah, it's just been really great.
• 31:37
  So yeah, I've been kicking up the omegas to do that.
• 31:39
  So I was like, I'm going to tell you to get chia pudding.
• 31:41
  You could do chia in your oatmeal, but- That sounds delicious. So good.
• 31:44
  I love that. Yeah. And oat milk,
• 31:48
  I don't love oat milk. Would you go almonds? I do coconut. Okay.
• 31:52
  Because it's the least processed. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Okay.
• 31:55
  So it's the least processed, so I prefer...
• 31:57
  And it's not super coconutty, so it's easy. No, it tastes good.
• 31:59
  Chia seed, coconut milk- Yeah ... and then you can add protein powder if you wanted
• 32:02
  to because I know- Yeah ... you love to do that. Yeah.
• 32:04
  And then just top it with fresh fruit, and it's so... I can't even tell you.
• 32:07
  Apples. I crave it. Well, I just took strawberries and pureed them.
• 32:10
  Ooh, that's good, too. So just strawberries and a little bit of water, pureed it-
• 32:12
  Yeah ... mixed them in till it's like a strawberry sorbet. That's delicious.
• 32:16
  Yeah. Okay, are you posting this stuff? Like I'm going to- Yeah.
• 32:18
  No pressure, but your group is growing. I know.
• 32:21
  The chia- I know, the chia girls.
• 32:24
  That's cute. Like the Cheetah Girls. Do you remember? Oh, I love it.
• 32:28
  Do you remember the show, The Cheetah Girls? Yes.
• 32:32
  Did you watch? Oh my gosh, the chia girls. So yeah. That's happening.
• 32:34
  Blonde,
• 32:35
  I don't know. Yeah. Vaguely, but yes. Yeah.
• 32:38
  I'm on it. That's funny. Gosh. Omega-3s, for
• 32:41
  perimenopausal and post-menopausal females,
• 32:45
  that's the next step that's like, I'm going to recommend
• 32:49
  it. So giving somebody food
• 32:52
  recommendations is fantastic. I didn't know that about chia seeds. Yeah.
• 32:56
  Well, the truth of it is,
• 32:59
  as you know with perimenopause and menopause and your estrogen levels start
• 33:02
  dropping, what most women don't understand is we think about it affecting us on
• 33:06
  the sleep and mood and hot flashes and
• 33:10
  energy, when in reality, estrogen acts as this great protector of
• 33:14
  your vital organs- Yeah ... especially the heart.
• 33:16
  And so when our estrogen drops, our heart becomes
• 33:20
  less protected and more susceptible. No wonder heart disease creeps in.
• 33:23
  No wonder women have heart attacks out of nowhere.
• 33:26
  And then we're not meeting our needs on that nutritional basis- Yeah ...
• 33:29
  because dietary guidelines are going to be like, "Oh, eat fish three times a
• 33:33
  week." Yeah. And I used to love to eat salmon three plus times a week.
• 33:37
  I used to do that. And then all the videos around
• 33:41
  salmon and parasites, and it's like- ...
• 33:43
  farmed salmon versus fresh salmon, and it's just a lot. Oh. It's a lot.
• 33:47
  I haven't watched those videos. I don't think I want to start.
• 33:50
  Did you completely-- How did you change your behavior?
• 33:53
  Did you, after watching those videos?
• 33:54
  Were they like- It just made me more conscientious
• 33:58
  about buying it, eating it- Did it reduce- ... paying attention.
• 34:01
  Oh, absolutely. I probably used to cook salmon two or three times a week,
• 34:05
  literally. That's my preference.
• 34:08
  So
• 34:09
  now maybe once a week because of the parasites?
• 34:12
  Yeah, or just making sure you're not eating it raw.
• 34:16
  But just also paying attention. I guess sushi would be when I would eat it raw, or
• 34:20
  poke bowl. Ugh. But that's tuna.
• 34:24
  Okay. Unless you do one with salmon, I guess. Yeah. I don't know.
• 34:28
  Is this where we do like a- It's king fish ...
• 34:29
  is this where we give a shout-out to Ryo Açaí Bowls?
• 34:32
  Oh, yeah, no, they have great- And their poke bowls are so good.
• 34:36
  They're delicious. They are delicious.
• 34:37
  Lots of fresh grade A tuna- Yeah ... in those. Yes, yum.
• 34:41
  And then in that case, it's good. Yes, 100%.
• 34:44
  Just not as many omegas as salmon. Yeah, or fatty
• 34:48
  salmon. Yeah.
• 34:51
  Yeah. Well, okay, so management of lipids, it
• 34:54
  sounds like is such a problem, especially for our age.
• 34:57
  And I think on my profile, so
• 35:01
  my biological age when I graduated residency, I was
• 35:04
  55.
• 35:06
  55.
• 35:08
  I couldn't even believe it. And then I did a retest.
• 35:10
  You could've turned that in for discounts. For what?
• 35:14
  Oh, like- Like all the places. Get my- Like your senior discount.
• 35:18
  Yeah, senior discount. I
• 35:20
  could have. I was an old lady on my insides. Yikes.
• 35:24
  So I did major life
• 35:27
  reassessment and- Mm-hmm ... made all these changes and really made my health a
• 35:31
  priority. So that launched me into all these other things.
• 35:35
  And it doesn't mean I'm perfect. All right.
• 35:37
  I wish I was, but
• 35:39
  I know I have to try. And then I take these tests every three months.
• 35:43
  I'm just on a membership, so I don't know if you are, but-
• 35:47
  Yeah ... it's just a game changer. It is, and what's crazy to me
• 35:51
  is how many people aren't and really need to start
• 35:55
  looking at this because if you go and you take your car in for an oil change every
• 35:58
  three months, or you get diagnostics on this, like you look at your phone, and you
• 36:02
  see diagnostics of your phone use and how all that's working. Yeah.
• 36:06
  You are your most important asset. Yeah.
• 36:09
  You need to start paying attention because once you start to
• 36:13
  notice the issue, you're already on the other side of
• 36:16
  trying to catch up. Yeah. And that's where I've just really
• 36:20
  been talking about this so much because your
• 36:24
  perception, oh my gosh, I would've put you top 10 health wise. 10 out of 10.
• 36:27
  And most people would absolutely put me- Your yoga
• 36:31
  form was amazing. Like the good- Oh.
• 36:34
  Yeah. Very strong. Yeah, we had cold plunge for like five minutes.
• 36:38
  Infrastructure, mitochondrial health.
• 36:40
  Yeah, it's there, but that was something that was really shocking, and you never
• 36:43
  know what's really going on- Yeah ...
• 36:46
  until you take a closer look at your biology. Yep.
• 36:49
  And it's just so important, and traditional medicine- Shocking ...
• 36:51
  is just like, "Hey, once a year, let's see how you're doing." I'm like, "Your air
• 36:54
  conditioner gets more checkups than that."
• 36:57
  The filter changes. Yeah
• 36:59
  Your fridge, you change. Yeah.
• 37:00
  Yeah.
• 37:00
  Yes.
• 37:01
  Water filters, yeah.
• 37:04
  It's wild to me.
• 37:05
  Yeah.
• 37:05
  I just really want people to start prioritizing that, not for the vanity
• 37:09
  metrics, but for the longevity
• 37:12
  metrics.
• 37:12
  You don't want to drop dead.
• 37:13
  No.
• 37:14
  Dropping dead is stupid, if you can prevent it.
• 37:17
  Now, if you can't prevent it, that's different, but there's a lot that you can do,
• 37:21
  and you can add years to your life.
• 37:23
  Absolutely.
• 37:24
  Why wouldn't you?
• 37:25
  Yeah. I think there's two conversations we should really be having right
• 37:28
  now, and that's like, one is our lifespan, which is
• 37:32
  obviously how long we live.
• 37:34
  Yep.
• 37:34
  And then there's our health span-
• 37:36
  Oh, yeah
• 37:37
  ... which is how long we live-
• 37:38
  I like that
• 37:38
  ... well.
• 37:39
  Yes. Which is not happening right now, and it's really
• 37:42
  tragic.
• 37:44
  Yeah, it is, and I feel like there's this interesting thing
• 37:48
  that kind of happened because obviously there was a lot of shifts in environment, a
• 37:51
  lot of shifts in our food-
• 37:52
  Yeah
• 37:52
  ... a lot of shifts in-
• 37:54
  The stress and-
• 37:55
  ... products, stress,
• 37:57
  the constant attention-seeking things that we have-
• 38:00
  Yeah
• 38:00
  ... that are pseudo-dopamine creators and
• 38:03
  pseudo-connection and pseudo-
• 38:05
  Yep
• 38:06
  ... all of that kind of happening at the same kind of
• 38:10
  collision point of
• 38:13
  the lifestyle stuff kind of catching up-
• 38:15
  Yeah
• 38:15
  ... and then we're seeing disease.
• 38:16
  Yeah.
• 38:17
  And I was just having this conversation that disease,
• 38:21
  back in the day, we would be like, "Disease is for old people."
• 38:24
  Yeah.
• 38:24
  Only old people have disease and-
• 38:26
  Yeah
• 38:26
  ... but disease is not discriminate.
• 38:28
  Mm-mm.
• 38:29
  It's not discriminate. Disease is based on factors.
• 38:33
  Yep.
• 38:33
  And we're all exposed to those factors.
• 38:35
  Yeah.
• 38:35
  So what can we do to mitigate that exposure?
• 38:38
  What can we do to-
• 38:39
  I'm looking for all of it
• 38:40
  ... to clean up? What can we do to repair?
• 38:42
  What can we do-
• 38:43
  Yeah
• 38:43
  ... that's the kind of stuff that we should be, let's actually for reals
• 38:46
  be proactive and I think about
• 38:50
  Dolly Parton passing away.
• 38:52
  Mm-hmm. That was yesterday?
• 38:54
  Tuesday.
• 38:55
  Yeah.
• 38:56
  Yeah, it was. I was on a Zoom and somebody on the Zoom was like, "Oh my gosh," and
• 39:00
  we all just like .
• 39:02
  Yeah, she was iconic.
• 39:03
  Absolutely.
• 39:04
  Yeah.
• 39:04
  But like a staple.
• 39:05
  Yeah.
• 39:06
  I grew up watching her movies.
• 39:08
  Yeah.
• 39:08
  I think I've watched Steel Magnolias seven million times.
• 39:11
  Aw, so cute.
• 39:12
  Grew up listening to her music.
• 39:14
  Yeah.
• 39:14
  My sister played guitar, my mom's siblings played guitar, grew up in that
• 39:17
  environment, and so it's like a piece of you.
• 39:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:20
  But also, when we lose people like that, and there's a
• 39:23
  cumulative feeling of loss-
• 39:25
  Yeah
• 39:26
  ... I feel like it intensifies
• 39:29
  the perspective then that we put on life.
• 39:31
  Mm-hmm. Yep.
• 39:32
  Because you're just like, "Oh-
• 39:33
  Humanizes
• 39:33
  ... yeah, oh my gosh
• 39:35
  ... this legend.
• 39:36
  Yeah. And it-
• 39:37
  Yeah
• 39:37
  ... puts mortality right in front of us.
• 39:40
  Yep.
• 39:41
  Right in front of us.
• 39:42
  Like, this can happen to you.
• 39:44
  Yeah, and it's just like eventually someday the clock is going to run out.
• 39:47
  Yeah.
• 39:48
  And then you start to think, like, my gosh, if I were blessed enough to live to
• 39:52
  80-
• 39:52
  Mm-hmm
• 39:53
  ... that's 47 years from now?
• 39:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:57
  That's 47 summers, sister, for us. That's 47 Christmases.
• 40:00
  They're flying by.
• 40:02
  That might sound like a lot because it kind of feels midway.
• 40:05
  It's not that many.
• 40:06
  But it really isn't.
• 40:07
  Yeah.
• 40:07
  We have less life in front of us than we do behind us.
• 40:09
  Stop. Oh my gosh.
• 40:11
  I don't want to be morbid, but that's the kind of perspective-
• 40:13
  Yeah
• 40:13
  ... that we have to talk about to shake people into-
• 40:16
  Change
• 40:17
  ... yes, shake them into change, shake them into being proactive and awareness
• 40:20
  because-
• 40:21
  Yeah
• 40:21
  ... had I not done that blood work,
• 40:25
  I can't-- literally, and recognized that and not taken action to try to
• 40:29
  do something about it-
• 40:30
  Yeah
• 40:30
  ... I would still be walking around as this ticking time bomb.
• 40:33
  I am a mother-
• 40:34
  Yeah
• 40:34
  ... of four children who are teenagers.
• 40:37
  Yeah.
• 40:39
  I need to be around.
• 40:40
  Yep.
• 40:42
  I can't just vanish. I can't just drop dead.
• 40:45
  You can't do the sudden cardiac death thing. That's not a thing. You can't do that.
• 40:49
  No.
• 40:49
  Yeah.
• 40:50
  Yeah, and so it was so eye-opening to me that when I was thinking, "Oh,
• 40:54
  I do well." I could-
• 40:55
  Mm-hmm
• 40:55
  ... absolutely be doing better, and I think that's true for everybody.
• 40:58
  Yeah.
• 40:58
  And in the patients that you see and the people that you talk to and the people
• 41:01
  that you help, what do you feel like is a common thread that you're constantly
• 41:04
  helping people? What do you see as the common thread of like, man, if everybody
• 41:07
  just bought into this idea or this concept or this aspect of
• 41:11
  wellness, it would just change things for them?
• 41:14
  I think movement. We're so
• 41:17
  sedentary. I have a sit-down job a lot of
• 41:21
  times.
• 41:23
  Yeah, just a lack of moving. A lack of
• 41:27
  sleeping, if I get two things. If I get three
• 41:31
  things,
• 41:33
  nutrition.
• 41:35
  And then four things, spirituality.
• 41:38
  Mm.
• 41:39
  Five, relationships.
• 41:42
  Obviously, six would be
• 41:45
  avoiding substances that would be harmful to
• 41:50
  your mitochondria or any biological or cellular
• 41:53
  level process.
• 41:55
  Yeah.
• 41:55
  I think those are
• 41:57
  the players in the game.
• 41:58
  Yeah. Now, I want to ask you this because I think that most people hear this word,
• 42:02
  but they don't get it, and I only am as familiar with mitochondria-
• 42:06
  Mm-hmm
• 42:06
  ... because I taught fifth grade, and we-
• 42:09
  ... our science was biology, so I taught-
• 42:11
  Fifth grade was the hardest is what I hear.
• 42:13
  No, fifth grade is amazing. Listen.
• 42:15
  Okay. You're settled into it?
• 42:17
  Yeah, 100%. That was my goal grade to get into, and where I spent majority
• 42:21
  of my time teaching.
• 42:23
  I love it.
• 42:23
  Fifth graders are just super moldable.
• 42:25
  The whole puberty thing hasn't happened yet, so they're not all stinky and
• 42:29
  terrible attitudes.
• 42:31
  Is that sixth grade?
• 42:32
  Yeah. Sixth graders are like a whole another-
• 42:34
  Animals.
• 42:35
  Yes. They should have their own-
• 42:35
  The feral
• 42:36
  ... they should have their own school.
• 42:37
  Them and kindergartners, they're like-
• 42:38
  Spray them down first.
• 42:39
  Yeah, they're just different sizes of the same version.
• 42:43
  Isn't that crazy?
• 42:43
  Yeah. But fifth graders are just magic.
• 42:45
  They're just magical all day long.
• 42:48
  But the only reason I know about mitochondria is because I taught cells and cell
• 42:52
  organelles-
• 42:53
  Mm-hmm
• 42:53
  ... and what their functions were.
• 42:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:54
  And so the mighty, mighty mitochondria.
• 42:57
  Yeah, little muscles on them.
• 42:59
  Yeah. So tell everybody why this conversation
• 43:03
  around mitochondrial health is so incredibly important and
• 43:07
  what poor mitochondrial health looks like.
• 43:10
  Yeah. So I think we should just start with that big
• 43:14
  question about structure. So structure-wise,
• 43:18
  it's a round, oblong, weird little
• 43:21
  creature, and it has unique properties about
• 43:25
  it that
• 43:27
  according to scientists, it
• 43:30
  traces back to...
• 43:33
  It's been said to be a bacteria that somehow became symbiotic
• 43:37
  with our body.
• 43:39
  Whether or not that's true, that's not really my place to debate,
• 43:43
  but that's really the origin of it.
• 43:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:45
  So at some point,
• 43:48
  it sounds like we did not have that, and then humanity did
• 43:52
  acquire that
• 43:54
  symbiosis. Now, they work with your body.
• 43:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:58
  So every single cell has multiple mitochondria, these
• 44:02
  little weird bacteria-like things inside
• 44:05
  of them, and they spit out energy. They're like machines.
• 44:09
  They're factories. They have these weird curvy
• 44:12
  structure called cristae, and two
• 44:17
  lipid bilayers, like a fat bilayer.
• 44:20
  And so things are protected from getting in and out,
• 44:24
  so it's very selective. I
• 44:27
  mean, I could talk all day about mitochondria.
• 44:29
  It has about 1,500 enzymes that it
• 44:33
  interacts with or produces-
• 44:34
  Mm-hmm
• 44:34
  ... or that it plays a large role in.
• 44:37
  Whether it's activating those or deactivating,
• 44:41
  it's interacting at least with about 1,500.
• 44:45
  So if you're deficient in one of those, you're going to have
• 44:48
  fewer output of energy.
• 44:52
  So, that's really the currency of your body. It's like money.
• 44:56
  So you can have less money, and that's an impoverished mitochondria,
• 45:01
  and it can't spend more. You can't do more.
• 45:03
  Your body takes energy, takes currency to move.
• 45:08
  So when people don't have healthy mitochondria,
• 45:11
  they're cold intolerant. They lack energy.
• 45:15
  They lack the capacity to heal.
• 45:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 45:18
  They lack the capacity to think.
• 45:22
  There's a lot of cellular-level mechanisms that are impacted.
• 45:26
  Yeah. They're the powerhouse-
• 45:28
  They're the powerhouse
• 45:29
  ... of the cell. And so it's like your body's level
• 45:32
  of resilience and capacity comes from those teeny tiny
• 45:37
  Yeah.
• 45:37
  And every cell has them, and every one of your... You know what I mean?
• 45:40
  People think of our cells, and they're like, I
• 45:44
  imagine that people envision these little mini donut
• 45:48
  That's their-
• 45:49
  Looking-
• 45:49
  Yeah
• 45:49
  ... little mini donut things that are-
• 45:50
  Yeah
• 45:50
  ... just all interconnected and hanging out-
• 45:53
  It's a good way to say it
• 45:54
  ... in your body.
• 45:55
  Yeah.
• 45:55
  And they don't see them as these living organisms-
• 45:58
  Yeah
• 45:59
  ... that they produce their own waste.
• 46:02
  Yeah.
• 46:02
  They make their own food. They do so much, and
• 46:06
  our cells are constantly-
• 46:07
  It's amazing
• 46:07
  ... working all day long. I say they're like little bumper cars in your body on
• 46:09
  hyperspeed. They're just like .
• 46:12
  No, they have a cute face.
• 46:13
  Yeah. They're way cute. Like bows, eyelashes. They're very cute.
• 46:17
  But your cells are doing-- I know you love the eyelash part, right?
• 46:20
  I do.
• 46:20
  You can visualize it big time.
• 46:21
  I love it. They're blinking.
• 46:22
  Yeah. And they're, like, glittery.
• 46:23
  Yeah. Oh my gosh.
• 46:25
  Yes. And so I just feminized cells.
• 46:28
  It's okay.
• 46:28
  It's okay. It's all right. But people don't understand that, and so when we talk
• 46:31
  about the importance of doing things to support your mitochondrial
• 46:35
  health,
• 46:36
  your cellular health, the health of your cells matter because
• 46:40
  it is indicative of the health of everything else.
• 46:45
  Yeah.
• 46:46
  Our biology is not just your heart or just your brain or just-
• 46:49
  Yeah
• 46:49
  ... your muscle skeletal system or just your-
• 46:52
  The large-
• 46:53
  It's all interconnected.
• 46:54
  Yeah.
• 46:54
  And every single
• 46:57
  longevity pathway, if you will,
• 46:59
  those pathways all affect one another.
• 47:01
  Yeah.
• 47:02
  So if your gut is off, it signals. If your brain is off-
• 47:05
  Yeah
• 47:05
  ... it signals.
• 47:06
  Yep.
• 47:07
  So that's why looking at all of that is like you have to look at the whole
• 47:11
  thing.
• 47:12
  There's a lot of scientists that
• 47:15
  I have trained with or interacted with, and they live a
• 47:17
  mitochondrial-centric life.
• 47:20
  That's so cool.
• 47:23
  Everything that they do and choose.
• 47:24
  Let's create a guide.
• 47:26
  Let's do that.
• 47:27
  Yes, like a mitochondrial map to happiness.
• 47:30
  Oh, I love that.
• 47:31
  I like alliteration. Mindful mitochondrial
• 47:35
  mapping.
• 47:35
  That's a better-
• 47:37
  I mean-
• 47:37
  Yeah. Let me have-
• 47:38
  I love that. Let my brain have a minute with it.
• 47:39
  Yeah.
• 47:40
  Please, take your time and space.
• 47:44
  No, really, if you're really living a life to support your
• 47:47
  mitochondria, you are choosing your foods differently.
• 47:51
  You are looking at the things that are supportive, like coenzyme Q,
• 47:56
  nitric oxide. You are just making
• 48:00
  different choices that are supportive-
• 48:02
  Yes
• 48:02
  ... just for this thing.
• 48:03
  Yeah.
• 48:04
  So it can do its little bumper car moves.
• 48:06
  Yeah, because again, we assume that because we
• 48:10
  feel fine-
• 48:11
  Yeah
• 48:11
  ... that we are fine. We don't recognize the fact that our cells are undergoing
• 48:15
  trillions attacks.
• 48:17
  Yeah.
• 48:17
  Trillions of attacks every day from the air that we breathe-
• 48:21
  Yeah
• 48:21
  ... especially here in the valley-
• 48:22
  Yeah
• 48:23
  ... to the foods that we eat, to the chemicals and products and things
• 48:27
  that we're exposed to every day, like-
• 48:29
  Yeah
• 48:29
  ... these constant attacks. And so if you're not supporting your biology-
• 48:32
  Yeah
• 48:33
  ... you're kind of not supporting your health span.
• 48:38
  Yeah. No, you're not. You're taking years away.
• 48:40
  And alcohol, for example, that's directly toxic.
• 48:43
  It kills-
• 48:43
  I know. Can we talk about that?
• 48:44
  Yeah. I wish that was not true, but it kills them.
• 48:48
  Yeah. I think what's really interesting is obviously
• 48:52
  alcohol has had its moment.
• 48:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 48:55
  There's now this whole sober curious movement.
• 48:57
  There are establishments opening up all over where they just serve
• 49:01
  mocktails-
• 49:02
  Mm-hmm
• 49:02
  ... so you still get the social component-
• 49:04
  I love that
• 49:04
  ... without the carcinogenic component.
• 49:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:06
  But I think that alcohol being classified as a Level 1
• 49:10
  carcinogen is kind of just now really being
• 49:14
  talked about. I mean, you go back 50 years, people drank when they were
• 49:18
  pregnant.
• 49:18
  Yeah.
• 49:20
  You know? Can you imagine? No, not at all. Never.
• 49:24
  But here we are. Yeah. And now it's been classified as a Level 1
• 49:27
  carcinogen.
• 49:29
  Processed meats have also been put into that category. Yeah.
• 49:32
  And so now it's weird to think about salami being the same
• 49:36
  level of damaging to your body as Titos.
• 49:40
  Oh my gosh. Do you know? No, I didn't know this.
• 49:43
  But that's wild to me. Salami's on my no list for my
• 49:47
  labs. Oh, your charcuterie boards are probably really boring then.
• 49:51
  Great. You just have charcu.
• 49:53
  There's no turi.
• 49:54
  Yeah, I think that's about right.
• 49:57
  Apricots.
• 49:59
  Goat cheese. Grapes. There you go. Cotton candy grapes. Yeah.
• 50:03
  From Trader Joe's. I don't know. When the parking lot's not full. Yeah.
• 50:06
  Maybe a chicken leg. Yeah. There you go.
• 50:08
  Maybe. But yeah, but it's wild now.
• 50:11
  So,
• 50:12
  I feel like a lot of our generation doesn't participate in smoking, because we
• 50:16
  went through all the D.A.R.E. education and all of that edu- just around lung
• 50:20
  cancer and all the commercials and all the things. Yeah.
• 50:22
  But alcohol's always kind of been glorified. Yeah.
• 50:25
  And here we are now and it's like this, "Hi, by the way,
• 50:29
  alcohol is a Level 1." Yeah. And so every time you have that drink,
• 50:33
  you're choosing
• 50:35
  knowing that. And something else I found fascinating was that I was listening
• 50:39
  to a doctor talk about alcohol and
• 50:43
  she said, "How many of you guys have ever experienced the alcohol buzz?"
• 50:47
  And of course everybody's like, "Well, yeah." Yeah.
• 50:49
  And that's why most people drink it, is just for that- Yeah ... let go.
• 50:52
  And she was like, "And how many of you guys have ever
• 50:55
  struggled with balance or the ability to speak, or you get sick?"
• 50:59
  Yeah. "Or the room is spinning?" And so she explained that as,
• 51:02
  the reason it was called alcohol poisoning
• 51:07
  is because alcohol is poison to us. Yep.
• 51:10
  And the more you drink, so the first
• 51:14
  symptom of alcohol poisoning is the buzz. Yeah.
• 51:18
  Ugh. Yeah.
• 51:19
  Isn't that horrible? I know. I know, and that's what we're searching for,
• 51:24
  but then you get it and it's like, well, you've poisoned yourself.
• 51:27
  But
• 51:28
  we didn't know that. Yeah. When you go back to college maybe-
• 51:32
  ... or your younger years, and you think about, oh my gosh,
• 51:37
  the times you were sick. Yeah. And the times you were silly drunk. Yeah.
• 51:40
  And the times you were those things. Yeah. That was your body being poisoned.
• 51:43
  The reason you couldn't get up, the reason why you were throwing up. Yeah.
• 51:47
  When you see people out and about, especially in Vegas- Yeah ...
• 51:51
  we call them baby giraffes. The girls that are walking around all like la.
• 51:55
  It's wild. I haven't heard that term in a while. That's cute. But it's so real.
• 52:00
  But it's crazy to think about that. Yeah. It so is.
• 52:03
  It now makes it like to have a glass of wine or to have a drink, I'm just kind of
• 52:06
  like,
• 52:08
  now that I know better. But then what else is there? That's the question.
• 52:11
  And it doesn't mean we answer it, but a lot of
• 52:15
  people, they need to escape. Maybe that's me sometimes.
• 52:19
  It's like- I think there's healthier ways
• 52:21
  to do that. Yeah. I just feel like alcohol's convenient. Yeah.
• 52:24
  Back in the day, you- Glugging in fruit. Yeah.
• 52:26
  Back in the day, you used to have to go to somebody's barn. The prohibition. Yeah.
• 52:30
  I'm going to bring it back. Yeah. Smuggle some moonshine.
• 52:35
  And then there were the limitations around when and how you could buy alcohol, and
• 52:38
  now it's just literally like it's at theme parks. Yeah.
• 52:43
  It's everywhere. It's an ice cream in a grocery store. Uber Eats. No, Instacart.
• 52:47
  Yeah, Instacart. I mean, you don't even have to leave your house anymore. Mm-hmm.
• 52:49
  And so I feel like it's a
• 52:51
  casualty of convenience. Yeah. And I wish that people could
• 52:54
  find the same way to let go, release,
• 52:59
  in healthier- Yeah ... healthier ways.
• 53:02
  And socialize and
• 53:05
  yeah, just feel that fun spirit and essence of
• 53:08
  being around people, laughing, enjoying, but not killing
• 53:12
  your mitochondria because they're so small and they really need support.
• 53:15
  Be a big meanie. It's really rude and mean to them. It's so mean. Yeah.
• 53:19
  If you drink, I'm like, "You're bullying your mitochondria right now." And I would
• 53:23
  say, "You know what? You're so right. I'm sorry." I'm sorry.
• 53:27
  There was like actual real somberness.
• 53:29
  Oh,
• 53:30
  wow. I felt bad. You're on Hollywood, friends.
• 53:34
  She's got it down. That was good. Thanks.
• 53:38
  But it's just so true. Yeah. It's just wild to think about. Yeah.
• 53:41
  And it's interesting because as women, as our bodies change,
• 53:44
  alcohol hits different. Yep. And the
• 53:48
  tolerance level is not there in terms of capacity and recovery. Yeah.
• 53:52
  And I think that just goes to show you the state of when you're young and your
• 53:56
  cells are super resilient, your mitochondria are like
• 53:58
  the bosses. Yeah. They own the show. They're good. They're like sassy. Yeah.
• 54:03
  20 years later, they're all
• 54:04
  on canes like, "Oh, somebody help me." Walker. Wheezing.
• 54:08
  Like, "Oh." Yeah. Indigestion. "It's hot in here." Yeah.
• 54:11
  She wears 37 products on her face, so I'm struggling to keep up.
• 54:16
  Excellent products. Yeah. Peptides. But still. Yeah.
• 54:20
  But still, how many layers of skincare? Like, ugh.
• 54:23
  By the way, I love my new peptide body pen. Oh, yeah.
• 54:27
  It's like a giant Crayola. Yes. I can feel like, yeah.
• 54:31
  Yeah. It's like for your whole neck, it just feels good. Get in there. Totally.
• 54:36
  Yeah, I use it everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah.
• 54:38
  I have a joke about that, but it's probably not show appropriate.
• 54:41
  There's no children here. Go for it. Oh my gosh.
• 54:46
  Maybe it's not a joke. No, this is- It's not Laughing Matters ...
• 54:49
  this is a joke, but- This is real life.
• 54:51
  I won't say who the person was. A friend. Yeah. I had a friend.
• 54:56
  It wasn't me though. It was really a friend.
• 54:57
  Promise you, because
• 54:59
  I swear it's a real situation. And she had got the peptide wands
• 55:03
  and she was like, "Oh my gosh, I love them.
• 55:05
  I can't believe the way that my wrinkles are smoothing out.
• 55:07
  My skin looks so much better." And she's like- I shouldn't drink.
• 55:10
  I might spit it out. She's like 10 years older than me, and she showed me a
• 55:13
  picture, and then she was like, "I wonder if I could do like a sitz bath
• 55:17
  in this stuff."
• 55:21
  Did she? And I was like, "Yeah, you'll go from a bulldog to a Frenchie."
• 55:28
  Oh my gosh, that's so cute. But so inappropriate.
• 55:32
  Sit back, Valerie, are you putting it all together here?
• 55:35
  I hear you.
• 55:36
  Okay.
• 55:36
  I hear you. And I hope everybody-
• 55:39
  Because you did this.
• 55:40
  Yes.
• 55:40
  But yeah.
• 55:41
  Okay, so we're saying that down there tightened.
• 55:44
  Yes.
• 55:45
  Yes.
• 55:45
  Yeah.
• 55:45
  My face was demonstrating that.
• 55:47
  Okay.
• 55:47
  Because there's no children here, so I was using my face
• 55:51
  for the visual element.
• 55:52
  Oh, such a funny conversation.
• 55:53
  And I regret it.
• 55:56
  But yeah, a bulldog to a Frenchie.
• 55:57
  Yeah. That's hilarious.
• 55:59
  I know. It's real.
• 56:00
  It's real.
• 56:01
  Oh my gosh. How long did it take?
• 56:04
  Oh, I don't know if she really did it. I said she could.
• 56:07
  I never followed up on that one.
• 56:08
  She really was your friend. That's good.
• 56:10
  It really was, yeah. Promise.
• 56:12
  Yeah. I'm just kidding.
• 56:15
  It's okay to overshare here. I probably have,
• 56:18
  but I don't know anything fun or interesting to overshare on, but if
• 56:22
  it comes up, I won't filter it.
• 56:24
  Yeah. There you go. Definitely don't filter it.
• 56:27
  But yeah, I love these conversations.
• 56:29
  I feel like-
• 56:29
  These are real. These are like real life.
• 56:31
  Yeah. And they're things that people really need to start thinking about and
• 56:35
  having...
• 56:37
  One of the things I love about podcasts and the way that they've become
• 56:40
  radio-
• 56:41
  Yeah
• 56:41
  ... for people.
• 56:42
  That's true, yeah.
• 56:43
  You know?
• 56:44
  We're bringing it back.
• 56:45
  It introduces so many topics and conversations, and the
• 56:49
  ability for people to just kind of learn meaningful things and
• 56:53
  digest it, and usually stuff is going to trigger action or new thoughts
• 56:57
  and-
• 56:57
  Yeah
• 56:57
  ... they end up turning around and-- Because how many people have ever said to you,
• 56:59
  like, "Oh, one time I was listening to a podcast and..."
• 57:02
  Yeah.
• 57:02
  "On a podcast I saw-"
• 57:03
  I say that, I said it today.
• 57:05
  Yeah. It's awesome. We get these little micro education classes.
• 57:08
  Yeah, exactly.
• 57:10
  When it comes to down there, since it did come
• 57:14
  up.
• 57:14
  Sure.
• 57:15
  So hormones are-- I
• 57:18
  tell patients to use their hormones down there, and based
• 57:22
  on the situation, because things do get
• 57:26
  lax, they do get pigmented, they do
• 57:29
  change. So there's a lot that you can do just with a
• 57:33
  topical hormone. So it makes sense that if you used a peptide,
• 57:37
  which is just a smaller structure, but still targeted, that you would
• 57:40
  have a great benefit.
• 57:43
  Yeah.
• 57:43
  So the tissue would benefit, because it gets frail and tears
• 57:47
  easily.
• 57:48
  Yes. As hormones change and things thin out-
• 57:51
  Yeah
• 57:51
  ... and it's all membranes, right?
• 57:53
  And-
• 57:53
  Yeah
• 57:53
  ... we forget that.
• 57:54
  So I'm not knocking it. I think that's actually a great idea.
• 57:57
  I'll let you try it and you can let me know how it goes.
• 57:58
  Yeah.
• 58:00
  You don't need to send any pictures.
• 58:01
  I'll say, "Frenchie."
• 58:04
  No other words.
• 58:07
  Oh.
• 58:07
  Ask me what kind of dog I am.
• 58:10
  Goes from being a conch to a clam.
• 58:14
  That's good.
• 58:15
  No, it's terrible.
• 58:15
  That was great. No, that was extra good. I love that.
• 58:19
  Extra, yes. Good, no.
• 58:23
  We can always bleep things, but-
• 58:25
  Oh yeah, totally
• 58:26
  ... we won't.
• 58:26
  I can only imagine the visuals that pop up.
• 58:28
  It's all like a big bulldog and a little Frenchie head. Like, no, no.
• 58:32
  Animations.
• 58:33
  Bobbleheads.
• 58:34
  Just give ideas that don't need to be out there.
• 58:37
  Oh my gosh. No, sexual health is so under-talked
• 58:40
  about. It's our generation. I think we're the ones to bring it
• 58:44
  forward.
• 58:45
  We are, and you're seeing that all over social media because-
• 58:47
  Mm-hmm
• 58:47
  ... nobody talked about perimenopause or menopause. Our moms certainly didn't know.
• 58:51
  They just said they're old.
• 58:52
  It was just like, oh, it's like a box of chocolates.
• 58:54
  You're going to get what you're going to get.
• 58:56
  Horrible.
• 58:56
  That's really what it was.
• 58:57
  That's terrifying.
• 58:57
  And now the conversation's kind of coming to the table, and there's a little bit
• 59:00
  more education awareness, and I appreciate that-
• 59:01
  Yeah
• 59:01
  ... for women because the changes are so significant, and depending on
• 59:05
  your biology and as you know, your insulin resistance-
• 59:09
  Yeah
• 59:09
  ... that can really impact the scale of symptoms.
• 59:12
  Yeah.
• 59:14
  Women start to think they're going crazy.
• 59:16
  Yeah.
• 59:16
  And we have already experienced that, like when you go through
• 59:20
  puberty-
• 59:21
  Mm-hmm
• 59:21
  ... you don't really understand because your brain is developing at the
• 59:25
  same time your-
• 59:27
  Mm
• 59:27
  ... body is developing, and so there's a lot of not understanding what is
• 59:30
  happening and not maybe being-
• 59:32
  Yeah
• 59:32
  ... as cognitively mature enough to handle some of the developmental aspects-
• 59:36
  Yeah
• 59:36
  ... of puberty. So there's that, and then attention that's coming from different
• 59:39
  directions that you're not ready for.
• 59:41
  Right.
• 59:41
  And then when you have children,
• 59:45
  after you have a baby and you're not exactly in 100%
• 59:48
  delight-
• 59:49
  Right, like baby blues or-
• 59:51
  Baby blues or postpartum
• 59:53
  ... postpartum
• 59:53
  And again, something that's not-- It's shameful and it's-
• 59:56
  Yeah
• 59:56
  ... and then so there's two examples that majority of women experience,
• 1:00:00
  and then here we go a third time.
• 1:00:03
  Yep.
• 1:00:04
  And at a less discussed, less glamorized, less
• 1:00:08
  socially kind of normal level-
• 1:00:12
  Yeah
• 1:00:12
  ... as puberty and like having a baby and going through some of that stuff.
• 1:00:15
  I mean, postpartum, obviously she deserves her own show because-
• 1:00:18
  Yeah
• 1:00:18
  ... that's a whole another topic, but-
• 1:00:20
  Yep
• 1:00:20
  ...
• 1:00:21
  it's a lot. And then so you get to the space and you're just like, "I don't
• 1:00:23
  understand why I feel this way."
• 1:00:26
  Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Or, "Oh my gosh, I was able to be intimate with no problem," and I
• 1:00:31
  have a client of mine and she was talking about that very thing,
• 1:00:34
  like, "This wrecked me. I was in bed, I couldn't even
• 1:00:38
  look at my husband. I held so much guilt and shame because we had an
• 1:00:42
  incredible sex life."
• 1:00:43
  Oh, that's so sad.
• 1:00:43
  And it was so-- And they've been married for 30 years, and she's like-
• 1:00:47
  Yeah
• 1:00:47
  ... "And
• 1:00:49
  we're barely having sex because it's so painful and it's so
• 1:00:53
  awful, and I don't understand what's happening." And
• 1:00:57
  it's a lot. It's a lot.
• 1:00:59
  Yeah, and even prolonged state of that,
• 1:01:03
  I've seen a lot of females just lose the
• 1:01:06
  capacity.
• 1:01:07
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:08
  It's like scar tissue forms, and so you just can't, even if you want
• 1:01:11
  to. It would take a lot of intervention, like
• 1:01:15
  more-
• 1:01:15
  Pelvic floor therapy and things like that.
• 1:01:18
  Yes. Yeah. Dilators. It becomes more-
• 1:01:21
  Invasive
• 1:01:22
  ... invasive.
• 1:01:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah. But you can get ahead of that stuff.
• 1:01:25
  Perimenopause is when you should start.
• 1:01:28
  Well, and knowledge is power, right?
• 1:01:29
  So-
• 1:01:29
  Yes
• 1:01:30
  ... when you know what to expect
• 1:01:33
  It takes the crazy out of it because it normalizes.
• 1:01:36
  Yeah.
• 1:01:36
  But then now what we have to do is make treatment and protocol a normal part of the
• 1:01:40
  conversation and not your basic mundane, "Oh, it is what it
• 1:01:44
  is." I don't want to hear that.
• 1:01:45
  I hate that.
• 1:01:46
  I don't want to hear it is what it is, because let me tell you right now, if a man
• 1:01:49
  walked into a doctor's office and was like, "This doesn't
• 1:01:53
  work at all anymore."
• 1:01:55
  Yep.
• 1:01:55
  Or, "I don't know what happened," because women, there's biological changes too, or
• 1:01:59
  physiological-
• 1:02:00
  Yeah
• 1:02:00
  ... changes, and a man's like, "Oh my gosh, all of a sudden my balls look
• 1:02:03
  different, my testicle-"
• 1:02:04
  Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  They would have a solution.
• 1:02:06
  Fix it.
• 1:02:06
  They would never be like, "Well, that's 55, sir."
• 1:02:09
  You're just getting old.
• 1:02:10
  "Bye."
• 1:02:10
  Yeah. No.
• 1:02:11
  There's a something
• 1:02:14
  readily available.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  But for women it's, "Are you sure?"
• 1:02:18
  Yeah. Maybe you're just stressed.
• 1:02:19
  It might just be in your head. You have a lot of kids and you're probably
• 1:02:23
  just tired.
• 1:02:24
  Yeah.
• 1:02:24
  And I feel like that's what invokes female
• 1:02:28
  rage.
• 1:02:29
  Does the word mood trigger you? If a guy says, "Oh, I think
• 1:02:33
  you're probably just in a mood."
• 1:02:35
  That bugs me. I feel like that is such a trigger for me.
• 1:02:38
  I have to work on it because if somebody says it, I'm just like,
• 1:02:42
  " Ew.
• 1:02:43
  Ew."
• 1:02:44
  Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  "You need to read something. You need to read a book."
• 1:02:46
  How about that?
• 1:02:48
  Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  And I think
• 1:02:51
  guys would do-- There needs to be a man out there who has a
• 1:02:55
  good audience to be able to sit down and have that conversation.
• 1:02:59
  It's like how we have the birds and the bees talk with kids.
• 1:03:01
  Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  There needs to be like-
• 1:03:02
  I'm like, yeah. I had that with Jackson.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah, you better keep it in your pants, little guy.
• 1:03:09
  But yeah. But you know what I mean?
• 1:03:11
  Somebody needs to be having those conversations with men, too, to just be like,
• 1:03:13
  "Hey, listen, here's what this looks like for her."
• 1:03:16
  Yeah.
• 1:03:16
  "And here's how you show up and here's how you support it."
• 1:03:18
  Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  It's just necessary.
• 1:03:20
  And here's some oxytocin so that you're not judgy.
• 1:03:25
  Drink this.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah. Drink this little Alice in Wonderland jar.
• 1:03:28
  A tincture.
• 1:03:29
  Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  A tincture.
• 1:03:30
  So cute.
• 1:03:31
  I know.
• 1:03:31
  Sure. I love it.
• 1:03:32
  It's like Alice in Wonderland.
• 1:03:34
  Yeah. Drink me.
• 1:03:36
  Oh, so cute.
• 1:03:38
  Well, what was I going to tell you?
• 1:03:41
  It was about menopause, perimenopause. Oh, okay.
• 1:03:45
  So growth hormone, that really drops off.
• 1:03:47
  Do you know what age it dramatically-- So it dramatically increases at puberty.
• 1:03:51
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:51
  But do you know when it dramatically drops?
• 1:03:53
  If I were to guess, I don't know the hard, cold fact, but I'd probably
• 1:03:57
  say somewhere between 35 and 40.
• 1:03:59
  30.
• 1:04:00
  Okay. Oh, 30. Dang.
• 1:04:01
  That's shocking, right? It's kind of early.
• 1:04:04
  Well, but take us back.
• 1:04:06
  By 30, 30 was 50 for us. You know what I mean?
• 1:04:10
  People were having babies at 15-
• 1:04:11
  Yeah
• 1:04:12
  ... and getting married and-
• 1:04:13
  No, you're right
• 1:04:14
  ... dying in their 50s and 60s.
• 1:04:15
  And it looked old.
• 1:04:16
  Yeah.
• 1:04:18
  Now we don't look like we did back then, but
• 1:04:22
  yeah. So your skin changes, so many things change.
• 1:04:25
  Your metabolic activity changes.
• 1:04:28
  So at 30 years old, you have dramatic change just equivalent to
• 1:04:32
  what puberty was, but the opposite direction.
• 1:04:34
  Yeah, that sucks.
• 1:04:35
  Down the slide.
• 1:04:35
  Oh my God, that sucks. Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  It's like
• 1:04:40
  when you're jumping out of the airplane with no parachute.
• 1:04:42
  Yeah. Horrible.
• 1:04:44
  What do they call it, skydiving?
• 1:04:45
  Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  There you go.
• 1:04:45
  No, it sounds awful. I'm not going to do that, but-
• 1:04:48
  Yeah
• 1:04:48
  ... in this case, someone pushed you. You don't have a choice.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah. You're just, "Ah!"
• 1:04:52
  Yeah.
• 1:04:54
  That's terrible.
• 1:04:54
  Tear the cord. Yeah.
• 1:04:55
  I know.
• 1:04:56
  30.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah, 30. And then we say menopause, and that really
• 1:05:01
  applies to your FSH, LH, that signal from your brain.
• 1:05:05
  You can preserve it, and our foods, our environment has a lot to do
• 1:05:09
  with it.
• 1:05:10
  Stress, sleep,
• 1:05:13
  shocker, nutrition.
• 1:05:14
  Yeah. Nutrition.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah. It really circles back.
• 1:05:17
  So underrated.
• 1:05:18
  Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  We don't talk about it enough. I
• 1:05:23
  cannot think of her name to save my life right now, but I was at a conference a
• 1:05:26
  few weeks ago, and she's a very well-known
• 1:05:31
  biologist, chemist, studier of all things
• 1:05:35
  nutrition, and she kind of broke down this whole multivitamin
• 1:05:39
  conversation, just we all grew up on "Flintstone."
• 1:05:42
  Yes.
• 1:05:43
  Right? And then some people-- Did you love them?
• 1:05:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:46
  Okay, I did too. But then there were some people-
• 1:05:48
  I love their candy.
• 1:05:48
  I know. Then there were some people, I would eat extra, sneak them.
• 1:05:51
  I would eat extra, yeah.
• 1:05:52
  And then sneak them.
• 1:05:53
  It's vitamins.
• 1:05:54
  And I was like, "And it tastes so good."
• 1:05:55
  Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  And then there's those people who were like, "They were disgusting." And I'm like,
• 1:05:59
  "What kind did you have?"
• 1:06:00
  They're a different blood type. Maybe they're-- Oh.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah, probably.
• 1:06:03
  Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  They probably just needed a sardine.
• 1:06:06
  So anyways, she was talking about how that whole
• 1:06:10
  conversation came about for a long time, like, "Oh, you don't need to take
• 1:06:12
  vitamins. You just end up peeing them out, peeing them out, and it's not a big
• 1:06:15
  deal."
• 1:06:15
  Yeah.
• 1:06:16
  But when they look at mortality and they look at longevity,
• 1:06:20
  it's like magnesium, vitamin D, zinc-
• 1:06:24
  Mm-hmm
• 1:06:24
  ... being some of those essential vitamins that are very
• 1:06:28
  depleted across our food sources-
• 1:06:30
  Yep
• 1:06:30
  ... that we're not getting and we're not meeting nutritionally because we eat based
• 1:06:34
  on convenience, not on nutrient density.
• 1:06:36
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:36
  And just how-- Even the research that
• 1:06:40
  she showed between people with sub- or below
• 1:06:44
  average levels of vitamin D and how that exponentially-
• 1:06:48
  Just most people
• 1:06:48
  ... yeah, how that exponentially increases their chances for
• 1:06:52
  dementia.
• 1:06:53
  Yeah. A lot of things.
• 1:06:56
  Like-
• 1:06:56
  Yeah, dementia is a huge one. Cancer.
• 1:06:59
  I mean, it's your immune system.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah.
• 1:07:01
  I think we don't even really know all the things that vitamin D does.
• 1:07:05
  Same for the omegas. We know that they're very impactful and helpful and that if
• 1:07:09
  you take them, you live longer, but we don't really know why for all of
• 1:07:13
  the multiple impacts of the cellular level.
• 1:07:16
  Isn't it wild that we don't know yet?
• 1:07:17
  Well, sort of. But then also it takes somebody being curious and then-
• 1:07:20
  That's true
• 1:07:20
  ... requesting funding and then
• 1:07:23
  creating a lab, creating a team, and then they're building their career around it.
• 1:07:27
  It takes these doctorate programs really,
• 1:07:30
  because you're choosing your thesis.
• 1:07:32
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:33
  What is your thing that you're going to anchor to and then really build your
• 1:07:37
  life on? That's a big thing.
• 1:07:40
  Yeah. What made you want to go into medicine?
• 1:07:44
  Gosh,
• 1:07:46
  that answer has changed as I've gone through the
• 1:07:50
  journey.
• 1:07:51
  Sure.
• 1:07:51
  And I've found a different why at different checkpoints,
• 1:07:55
  because it really does challenge you in such a unique way.
• 1:07:59
  It does break you down, and then you're a new person, and you have a different
• 1:08:03
  why.
• 1:08:04
  Makes sense.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah. So initially I thought
• 1:08:08
  this is just a good thing.
• 1:08:12
  You can do a lot of good.
• 1:08:14
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:14
  And then I was like, "This is horrible. It's so political.
• 1:08:18
  It is so expensive. What a sham." And then
• 1:08:22
  you find it's a necessary
• 1:08:25
  investment.
• 1:08:27
  Mm.
• 1:08:28
  I couldn't
• 1:08:30
  do what I do if I just did half of it.
• 1:08:33
  Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  It's necessary. The pain, the suffering, even the
• 1:08:38
  negative culture that is part of the process that you have to go
• 1:08:42
  through, where it's stress learning-
• 1:08:44
  Mm-hmm
• 1:08:45
  ... and negativity to make you learn, but you will know it forever.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Like
• 1:08:51
  a surgeon has slapped a hand if
• 1:08:55
  it's not going the right place. You
• 1:08:59
  adjust, and you learn through those stressful moments.
• 1:09:04
  So yeah, I
• 1:09:05
  guess for me it's a calling. It always has been.
• 1:09:07
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:08
  I didn't recognize it as a calling,
• 1:09:10
  because that feels very abstract to say.
• 1:09:12
  But now that I'm here, I'm like, "It is abstract.
• 1:09:15
  It is a feeling."
• 1:09:16
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:16
  It's an overwhelming feeling that's driving me so that at
• 1:09:20
  every point where I'm like, "This sucks. This is too hard.
• 1:09:24
  I don't need this. I can do anything else," I actually couldn't.
• 1:09:28
  I always circled back here.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah. I think it comes down to, you
• 1:09:33
  can tell your heart is for people.
• 1:09:36
  Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  And not just about them, but caring for them.
• 1:09:39
  Yes.
• 1:09:40
  And I feel like, too, over the last year, your approach has
• 1:09:43
  kind of evolved and-
• 1:09:45
  Yes
• 1:09:45
  ... what you offer and what you speak to has kind of evolved.
• 1:09:49
  What has shaped that shift?
• 1:09:51
  Just every patient encounter.
• 1:09:54
  There's a lot of people that you really resonate with, and you just can't
• 1:09:58
  walk off. I will never unsee certain people-
• 1:10:02
  Mm
• 1:10:02
  ... or their suffering that they are going through, because I just feel
• 1:10:06
  so lucky that I get to-
• 1:10:08
  Yeah
• 1:10:09
  ... walk away. I get to go home. I get to drive. I get to work out.
• 1:10:13
  So
• 1:10:14
  I feel gratitude, but also heaviness
• 1:10:18
  because it is just real suffering. It's horrible.
• 1:10:22
  Yeah.
• 1:10:22
  So yeah. I think there's a lot of fun wins whenever you see
• 1:10:26
  somebody kick something, and they went through hell,
• 1:10:30
  burns, rehab, and now they're walking, they're thriving.
• 1:10:33
  They're like... I don't know. There's something super rewarding about that,
• 1:10:37
  and it's a very slow reward. It's not a fast
• 1:10:41
  feel-good process.
• 1:10:43
  But yeah, whenever you see things actually work and you give people
• 1:10:47
  intervention, and then it responds, you're like, "What?
• 1:10:51
  This is real." So you really get the buy-in, I think,
• 1:10:55
  much later after the education.
• 1:10:57
  And how do you balance your medical professional-
• 1:11:00
  I don't
• 1:11:00
  ... training?
• 1:11:02
  Sorry, go on.
• 1:11:03
  Because it's got to be hard when there's...
• 1:11:07
  If I remember correctly, you're double board certified, right?
• 1:11:10
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:10
  So you're big time.
• 1:11:11
  Yeah.
• 1:11:11
  That's big time, everybody, just in case you didn't know.
• 1:11:14
  Thanks.
• 1:11:14
  Big time.
• 1:11:16
  But so you have your medical professional training, then you have more of your
• 1:11:19
  functional health approach and knowledge.
• 1:11:22
  Yes.
• 1:11:23
  And I see you constantly learning and
• 1:11:26
  implementing.
• 1:11:27
  Yep.
• 1:11:27
  So how do you balance that? Because the medical
• 1:11:31
  world, I feel like, is love/hate.
• 1:11:34
  It is very-
• 1:11:35
  We love that it's there because it's the rescue point.
• 1:11:37
  Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  But there's a lot of distrust with science and
• 1:11:41
  doctors and-
• 1:11:43
  Yeah
• 1:11:43
  ... prescription-heavy motives and treating symptoms instead of root
• 1:11:47
  causes.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  Which takes you now to more of your functional health approach.
• 1:11:51
  Yes.
• 1:11:52
  But then also some of the new things that you're learning.
• 1:11:55
  So how do you bring balance to all of that?
• 1:11:57
  Because I imagine that on the day-to-day, you probably, between your patient load,
• 1:12:01
  are dipping in all those buckets.
• 1:12:03
  I do. And I really just see myself as the conduit
• 1:12:07
  of information. So as I have these conversations with
• 1:12:10
  patients, they're asking the questions, or I'm picking up
• 1:12:14
  on the things that kind of strike me as the flags where this is
• 1:12:20
  part of your problem, right?
• 1:12:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:21
  Putting it all together. But I think I really like
• 1:12:25
  for the patients to be able to make informed decisions.
• 1:12:28
  So putting the power in their hands, here's the information.
• 1:12:31
  I
• 1:12:33
  say the Siri of medicine is how I would describe myself.
• 1:12:36
  It doesn't mean I'm as good as Siri, okay?
• 1:12:39
  But truly, I just try to answer the question with
• 1:12:42
  the information that is to the best of my knowledge, and the most accurate, the
• 1:12:46
  most current, and if I don't know, then let's look it up, and here's where I'm
• 1:12:50
  going to look it up. So just putting all that together,
• 1:12:54
  you decide. So here's your options, A, B, C, D, E, and then if you want to go
• 1:12:58
  outside of the box, here's the next step.
• 1:13:01
  And a lot of times, people, by the time they see me, they've already gone through a
• 1:13:05
  bunch of other doctors-
• 1:13:06
  Mm
• 1:13:06
  ... and they've failed all these other treatments.
• 1:13:08
  So they've tried a lot by the time they get to see me.
• 1:13:10
  Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  So like, "What have you got?"
• 1:13:11
  Kind of like a breath of fresh air.
• 1:13:12
  Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Somebody who gets it, somebody who listens, somebody who's not stuck in their way,
• 1:13:16
  somebody who's not very regimented in terms of the scope
• 1:13:20
  of what they deliver-
• 1:13:22
  Yeah
• 1:13:22
  ... when they walk into the room.
• 1:13:23
  Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  I think that's really important. Do you find that
• 1:13:28
  because people are kind of coming to you
• 1:13:30
  for real solutions because they're not satisfied with the steps along the way, that
• 1:13:34
  they're more receptive to the out-of-the-box recommendations?
• 1:13:37
  Yes, definitely. They're looking for it They've already
• 1:13:41
  tried the main stuff a lot of the time, not every time.
• 1:13:44
  This one patient had migraines her whole life.
• 1:13:48
  She's lost a lot of life just sleeping off in a dark
• 1:13:52
  room,
• 1:13:53
  eye cover, or like an ice pack, just a lot of life has been lost.
• 1:13:57
  So that is very sad to me. And the fact that
• 1:14:01
  she never had a proper workup, I'm just like, "No."
• 1:14:05
  So you always do the simple, easy things first.
• 1:14:08
  But a lot of times that doesn't happen.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah.
• 1:14:12
  She is more rare. Most people, again, by the time
• 1:14:16
  they get to me, they have seen specialists, they've been to Cedars, they've been
• 1:14:20
  through the gamut of imaging and labs and all this stuff, and they're like, "I
• 1:14:23
  don't know what's wrong with me."
• 1:14:24
  Right.
• 1:14:24
  "But I don't feel good."
• 1:14:25
  Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  So yeah, just like matching people wherever they're at, I think that is my
• 1:14:30
  brand.
• 1:14:31
  I love that.
• 1:14:32
  Yeah.
• 1:14:33
  That's real care.
• 1:14:34
  Yeah. And especially if you have a person who's a
• 1:14:38
  professional, they're a high achiever, they have a family, they're
• 1:14:42
  in charge of all the finances. That's a heavy burden.
• 1:14:45
  Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  If I give them some crazy complicated-
• 1:14:48
  Aware
• 1:14:50
  ... plan-
• 1:14:50
  Aware
• 1:14:51
  ... that's not real life-
• 1:14:52
  Yeah
• 1:14:53
  ... it's just a failed plan, and they've already done that.
• 1:14:57
  Do I need to be another fail? I'd rather be a win, even if it's like, "Let's just
• 1:15:01
  change one supplement today. Let's just do one change."
• 1:15:04
  And then bringing somebody in more often, sometimes that's the
• 1:15:08
  answer.
• 1:15:09
  Yeah. What do you feel like is your go-to right now with conversations with
• 1:15:12
  helping people turn their health around or kind of start their wellness
• 1:15:16
  journey or
• 1:15:18
  really
• 1:15:19
  create significant impact? I know we talked about movement-
• 1:15:23
  Yeah
• 1:15:23
  ... obviously as
• 1:15:25
  protocol, but what other conversations are you having right now?
• 1:15:28
  Hormones, I think, is the best place to start.
• 1:15:32
  Checking your blood work,
• 1:15:35
  knowing exactly where you're at. How can you fix it if you don't know what's
• 1:15:38
  broken? And really, you can get so much
• 1:15:42
  information just even on a simple blood test like a CBC.
• 1:15:45
  I look at your hemoglobin, your MCV, basic, very cheap
• 1:15:49
  test.
• 1:15:50
  Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  Very cheap, very easy. And I can see if you have a vitamin
• 1:15:53
  deficiency. Sometimes that's all that it takes-
• 1:15:56
  Yeah
• 1:15:56
  ... for checking your vitamin D.
• 1:15:58
  I know. That's so good. I'm sitting here in my brain, and I'm like, "I wonder if
• 1:16:02
  I should tell her about one of the things my blood work said."
• 1:16:04
  You can.
• 1:16:04
  And we should like troubleshoot it live-
• 1:16:06
  You can
• 1:16:06
  ... right here.
• 1:16:07
  Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  Or if I should just hand you my Function labs and be like, "Look at them."
• 1:16:09
  Let's look at it. I would run through them.
• 1:16:11
  I feel like Christmas when people hand me labs.
• 1:16:13
  Yeah, I'm like, "Do you want to look at my ANA level?"
• 1:16:15
  I do.
• 1:16:15
  It scares me.
• 1:16:17
  If it's less than 1 to 40, then I wouldn't worry about it.
• 1:16:20
  Yeah. Well, the one thing that came back, I'm going to show this to you.
• 1:16:23
  The one thing that came back that I was like, "Oh," kind of surprised, was
• 1:16:26
  my iron levels were good, ferritin within the right ranges, which I
• 1:16:30
  know is a big conversation right now.
• 1:16:32
  Above 100.
• 1:16:34
  No, I don't think it was above 100. It was-
• 1:16:36
  You're slightly-
• 1:16:36
  I know
• 1:16:37
  ... deficient in your stores.
• 1:16:39
  Okay. Are you ready?
• 1:16:40
  Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  Well, here's what's interesting.
• 1:16:43
  My iron saturation. So my iron is 193.
• 1:16:48
  My saturation percentage is
• 1:16:52
  59.
• 1:16:54
  So as long it says above 45
• 1:16:56
  is in range.
• 1:16:58
  Yeah.
• 1:16:58
  But my circulating iron was really high.
• 1:17:04
  That can mean a few things, but the fact with all that information you just
• 1:17:08
  said together-
• 1:17:09
  Mm-hmm
• 1:17:09
  ... it sounds like you've depleted some of your stored iron.
• 1:17:13
  Which would make sense because I don't eat red meat.
• 1:17:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:16
  You know?
• 1:17:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:18
  And then had a uterine ablation like 10
• 1:17:22
  years ago.
• 1:17:22
  Mm-hmm. Was it effective?
• 1:17:24
  Oh, yes.
• 1:17:25
  Awesome.
• 1:17:25
  Yeah, because I was literally losing like a whole unit
• 1:17:29
  of blood per cycle.
• 1:17:30
  That's so bad.
• 1:17:31
  Like-
• 1:17:32
  Yeah
• 1:17:32
  ... per cycle. And it was probably, I mean, three C-sections, all the things that
• 1:17:35
  you could think about, scar tissue-
• 1:17:37
  Scar tissue
• 1:17:37
  ... complicated delivery-
• 1:17:38
  Yeah
• 1:17:38
  ... with my daughter, so there was more than one uterine scar, all that kind of
• 1:17:41
  stuff. That all changed, and that was wild, and I was like...
• 1:17:44
  And my doctor retired the day my daughter was born. She was his last delivery.
• 1:17:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:49
  And finding a doctor who would listen to me, I was like, "Something is not normal."
• 1:17:53
  Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  And they're like, "Oh, just get on birth control." That was the advice.
• 1:17:57
  Not, "Let's do blood work."
• 1:17:58
  Yeah.
• 1:17:58
  "Let's actually do an examination and find what's going on." But like, "Do you want
• 1:18:00
  to get on birth control?" I was like, "Hi, I'm 33 years old."
• 1:18:03
  Yeah.
• 1:18:04
  "My tubes are tied. I'm not having any more kids."
• 1:18:06
  Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  I barely remembered. Why do you think I have three kids that are two years apart in
• 1:18:09
  the first place?
• 1:18:11
  Like, hello.
• 1:18:12
  Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:13
  Yeah.
• 1:18:13
  And so it's just like this crazy thing.
• 1:18:15
  Yeah.
• 1:18:15
  But here's the number we should talk about because this one was interesting
• 1:18:19
  to me, so I'm just going to hand it to you.
• 1:18:20
  Okay.
• 1:18:21
  So that's my thyroid biomarkers.
• 1:18:24
  Look at that first one.
• 1:18:26
  Okay. So I think you have Hashimoto's.
• 1:18:32
  So if you have antibodies,
• 1:18:36
  that's,
• 1:18:38
  yeah.
• 1:18:39
  Look at that number.
• 1:18:39
  And your TSH, so this is thyroid strain, and
• 1:18:44
  this is fixable.
• 1:18:47
  But
• 1:18:48
  I think initially you would want to use a steroid to knock
• 1:18:52
  down the antibodies.
• 1:18:54
  That's high.
• 1:18:55
  It's high.
• 1:18:56
  That's high.
• 1:18:56
  That's crazy high.
• 1:18:58
  Yeah.
• 1:18:58
  And like-
• 1:18:59
  And your thyroid's having to work harder because your TSH is 2.3.
• 1:19:04
  So temporarily, if you did
• 1:19:08
  like a T3,
• 1:19:10
  even though your T3 here is within
• 1:19:13
  reference range-
• 1:19:14
  Mm-hmm
• 1:19:15
  ... you would feel better temporarily until you get the inflammation down.
• 1:19:19
  So like prednisone would be,
• 1:19:22
  unfortunately, like mainstream, I think I would start with that.
• 1:19:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:26
  And then, I mean, not even a week of it
• 1:19:30
  would be needed.
• 1:19:31
  Just like a what I-
• 1:19:32
  Five days
• 1:19:33
  ... call like a pneumonia course.
• 1:19:35
  Yeah, there you go.
• 1:19:36
  A bronchitis course of prednisone.
• 1:19:38
  Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  That's perfect.
• 1:19:38
  Like 5 mgs.
• 1:19:39
  A short... Yes.
• 1:19:40
  Yeah. Very familiar with prednisone. I have a kid with asthma, so I know it well.
• 1:19:43
  Yeah.
• 1:19:44
  Probably have some at home.
• 1:19:45
  Take some of your child's medicine. I think that's perfect.
• 1:19:48
  Not recommending as a doctor.
• 1:19:50
  No, I am.
• 1:19:51
  It's the right med-
• 1:19:52
  Yeah
• 1:19:52
  ... and it's okay dose, so-
• 1:19:54
  Yeah
• 1:19:54
  ... do five days, and then-
• 1:19:58
  Yeah. In the meantime, if that doesn't bounce you back, you might
• 1:20:02
  even not feel it, but if you did feel it, your
• 1:20:05
  symptoms would probably be tired.
• 1:20:08
  Yeah. I would say that there are times when I deal with fatigue, but it's like,
• 1:20:12
  what kind of fatigue is it? Because I run 100 miles an hour and my brain
• 1:20:15
  operates supernatural speed.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah.
• 1:20:18
  I always joke-
• 1:20:19
  It's tough
• 1:20:19
  ... when I die, somebody needs to cut it out and study it. It's not normal.
• 1:20:23
  But yeah, I know I looked at that and I thought-
• 1:20:25
  It's mitochondria
• 1:20:25
  ... yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Mine are beefy. Mine are like-
• 1:20:28
  They're so beefy-
• 1:20:30
  They are
• 1:20:30
  ... and strong.
• 1:20:31
  They are. Thanks to a couple products I've been taking the last few years.
• 1:20:34
  But yeah, I saw that and I did immediately think Hashimoto's, and I know that
• 1:20:37
  Hashimoto's is lifestyle driven.
• 1:20:40
  Yeah.
• 1:20:40
  And I know that really
• 1:20:42
  being mindful of gluten-
• 1:20:44
  Yeah
• 1:20:44
  ... which is so interesting. So when I looked, I was like, "Okay, how do I lower my
• 1:20:47
  antibodies?" And it was like, "Stay away from gluten." And I would-
• 1:20:50
  I'm assuming you're already doing that
• 1:20:51
  ... I'm sensitive, so I-
• 1:20:52
  Yeah
• 1:20:52
  ... am probably 80% gluten free.
• 1:20:55
  Okay.
• 1:20:55
  If I have a brownie or I don't make cookies
• 1:20:59
  with almond flour, then whatever.
• 1:21:02
  Yeah.
• 1:21:02
  But I don't consume a high level of it.
• 1:21:04
  Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  But I do consume it.
• 1:21:07
  Yeah.
• 1:21:07
  And when you have these levels and an immune system that's going
• 1:21:11
  after itself, every little bit is just as bad as a lot.
• 1:21:16
  Your histamine load is what we're really discussing whenever
• 1:21:20
  we say it like that.
• 1:21:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:21
  So your histamine load. So you want to reduce that burden.
• 1:21:24
  So anything that it takes to reduce it is the answer.
• 1:21:28
  Yeah.
• 1:21:28
  So yeah.
• 1:21:29
  Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  You're already at a high threshold-
• 1:21:31
  Yeah
• 1:21:31
  ... so adding more sauce in there, it's like, p**f.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah, seriously.
• 1:21:35
  Histamine.
• 1:21:35
  And I thought, too, when I was reading that beer, for
• 1:21:39
  example, which has gluten. Who doesn't love a good beer?
• 1:21:42
  And I don't drink the weedy beers. If I do occasionally, it might be like-
• 1:21:44
  What's a weedy beer?
• 1:21:46
  Like an ale or like a-
• 1:21:47
  Are they all weedy?
• 1:21:48
  ... Blue Moon or like a... No, I feel like Mexican beers are safe.
• 1:21:53
  I don't know. Corona and Modelos and Pacificos.
• 1:21:57
  They're-
• 1:21:57
  They're perfect
• 1:21:58
  ... I don't feel like they're weedy.
• 1:21:59
  They're not-
• 1:22:00
  Maybe that's our problem. I don't want to make it negative.
• 1:22:03
  Maybe that's our area to work on.
• 1:22:04
  Well, not like I do it a lot, but-
• 1:22:07
  ... if I were to, that's what I would be my go-to.
• 1:22:10
  Yeah.
• 1:22:11
  But I was reading that. So
• 1:22:13
  gluten
• 1:22:16
  turns into glucagon. There's something that mimics.
• 1:22:19
  There's a glucagon, I think was the word, that mimics that then
• 1:22:23
  makes your immune system go after your thyroid, making it work harder.
• 1:22:27
  I'll have to look that up. I haven't heard that.
• 1:22:31
  It doesn't mean that it is or isn't-
• 1:22:32
  Right
• 1:22:32
  ... true.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah, I should totally find-- I probably saved it somewhere.
• 1:22:35
  Yeah. There are mimicking molecules.
• 1:22:39
  Yeah.
• 1:22:40
  So that is a thing, especially when it comes to creation of
• 1:22:43
  antibodies.
• 1:22:45
  And if we also think about our food sources, it's
• 1:22:48
  like a lot of industry, right?
• 1:22:51
  Yeah.
• 1:22:52
  So there's contaminants. So that's probably more
• 1:22:55
  likely.
• 1:22:56
  It's probably actually gluten from-
• 1:22:59
  Industry
• 1:22:59
  ... things that you don't think that gluten is in.
• 1:23:01
  It's shocking when you-
• 1:23:01
  At the factories
• 1:23:02
  ... when you start to pay attention.
• 1:23:04
  Yeah.
• 1:23:04
  Certain seasonings can have gluten in it, and you just don't realize it.
• 1:23:07
  There's so-
• 1:23:08
  Yeah
• 1:23:08
  ... many different things.
• 1:23:10
  Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  All right, so prednisone and-
• 1:23:13
  ... go super Whole30.
• 1:23:15
  Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Hardcore commitment.
• 1:23:16
  Yeah. And then within a week, you should be like a new you.
• 1:23:19
  I feel great. Who's going to stop you?
• 1:23:21
  Yeah, I know. But I do want to get it under control because I don't want--
• 1:23:25
  Hashimoto's is like,
• 1:23:28
  it can have it-
• 1:23:28
  Weight gain.
• 1:23:30
  Yeah, there's a lot of symptoms with that. Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  And it's
• 1:23:34
  preventable.
• 1:23:34
  And I don't want to ever be on any kind of medication.
• 1:23:37
  We're killing mitochondria right now in your thyroid.
• 1:23:39
  Oh.
• 1:23:39
  Actually.
• 1:23:41
  Okay, triggered.
• 1:23:42
  Yeah.
• 1:23:43
  They're dying.
• 1:23:44
  Yeah, no. Mine are cute, remember?
• 1:23:47
  They're so cute and beefy.
• 1:23:49
  Yes.
• 1:23:50
  They are. We got to keep it strong.
• 1:23:52
  Oh, my gosh.
• 1:23:52
  But yeah, but thanks for taking a look at that because-
• 1:23:53
  Yeah
• 1:23:54
  ... you get that and you get the notes and you're just kind of like, "Okay, I need
• 1:23:56
  to work on this," but when you hear certain things out loud, you're just like, "Oh
• 1:24:00
  my gosh." But I have. Over the last 90 days, I've been doing some really great
• 1:24:04
  lifestyle changes and things, and so I'm excited to get the numbers
• 1:24:08
  back. But I know that there's lots of other things that can also create
• 1:24:12
  autoimmune
• 1:24:13
  flares, if you will-
• 1:24:14
  Yep
• 1:24:14
  ... or create
• 1:24:16
  any type of artificial anything in your body and-
• 1:24:19
  Yep
• 1:24:19
  ... things of that nature. So-
• 1:24:20
  Yes
• 1:24:21
  ... then it's like, what-
• 1:24:22
  Triggers
• 1:24:23
  ... yeah, what can we look at with that and-
• 1:24:24
  Yeah
• 1:24:25
  ...
• 1:24:26
  potential problems because of it. So...
• 1:24:28
  Well, I am excited to see your upcoming labs.
• 1:24:32
  Yeah. I can't wait to show you. We'll have a slumber party.
• 1:24:34
  Please do.
• 1:24:35
  I'll come over and we'll make dinner.
• 1:24:36
  Yeah.
• 1:24:36
  Try to make something fun.
• 1:24:37
  Yes.
• 1:24:38
  And then we'll look at labs.
• 1:24:40
  That sounds like the perfect evening to me.
• 1:24:42
  And drink water.
• 1:24:42
  Let's do that.
• 1:24:44
  Filtered.
• 1:24:45
  I'll bring a charcuterie board over.
• 1:24:47
  No turie.
• 1:24:49
  Thank you so much for coming on. That sounds like the most perfect evening.
• 1:24:52
  I'm down. Let's do it.
• 1:24:55
  How would somebody reach you if they wanted to become a client
• 1:24:59
  or do any coaching sessions? What would be the best way?
• 1:25:02
  Yeah, sure. So I'm on social, just Andrea Gebhardt everywhere.
• 1:25:06
  You can find me online.
• 1:25:07
  How do you spell Gebhardt?
• 1:25:08
  G-E-B-H-A-R-D-T.
• 1:25:10
  Okay.
• 1:25:10
  You can find me online at brewingsuccess.com. I also have a leadership podcast.
• 1:25:15
  So I love being in the studio with you and getting to talk about other things.
• 1:25:17
  This was so fun.
• 1:25:18
  So fun.
• 1:25:18
  Yeah.
• 1:25:18
  But yeah, you can connect with me there.
• 1:25:21
  Awesome. Thank you so much for spending your evening with me, and until next time.
• 1:25:25
  Until next time.
• 1:25:25
  Have a good night.
• 1:25:26
  Bye.