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- 0:05The organization hired us to figure out why their digital
- 0:08transformation was stalling. They had run an engagement
- 0:11survey three months earlier. Support for the initiative was
- 0:15at 82%. Leadership was baffled, and four
- 0:19out of five people supported the transformation.
- 0:22Why was it anything actually changing?
- 0:25So we started measuring something different.
- 0:28Not what people said they would do, but what they actually did.
- 0:32We tracked systems, logins, feature usage, time spending,
- 0:37new work flows versus the old workarounds.
- 0:40We even monitored question frequency and training sessions,
- 0:43as well as error reporting rates.
- 0:46We looked at whether people were helping their colleagues learn
- 0:49the new system or quietly reverting the spreadsheets when
- 0:53no one was watching. The behavioral data told a
- 0:57completely different story than the survey.
- 1:00Actual adoption was 31%. Two out of three people who
- 1:05claimed to support the transformation were actively
- 1:08avoiding it in their daily work. They weren't lying on the
- 1:12survey. They genuinely believed they
- 1:15supported the initiative. But their behavior revealed what
- 1:19their conscious minds couldn't admit.
- 1:22They weren't psychologically ready for change.
- 1:26This gap between state of support and actual behavior is
- 1:31the measurement crisis that it's at the heart of transformation
- 1:35failure. And it's why everything that
- 1:37we've discussed in the 1st 9 episodes of this series, from
- 1:41resistance patterns to transformation fatigue, remains
- 1:45invisible to most organizations until it's far too late.
- 1:51I'm Kevin Novak, CEO of 2040, Digital Professor at the
- 1:55University of Maryland and author of the book The Truth
- 1:58about Transformation, Leading in the Age of AI, Uncertainty, and
- 2:03Human Complexity, as well as the Ideas and Innovations Weekly
- 2:07newsletter. Welcome to the Human Factor
- 2:10Podcast, the show that explores the intersection of humanity,
- 2:14technology, and transformation, along with the psychology behind
- 2:19transformation success. Today we're exploring how to
- 2:23measure the human factor, the psychological readiness that
- 2:27determines whether your transformation will succeed or
- 2:32become another casualty of the 70% failure rate.
- 2:35This connects directly to the subtitle of my book, Leading in
- 2:39the Age of AI Uncertainty in Human Complexity.
- 2:43Because in an era where technology changes faster than
- 2:47psychology can adapt, understanding how to measure
- 2:51what's actually happening inside your organization, not what
- 2:55surveys tell you is happening, becomes the difference between
- 2:59transformation success and complete or expensive failure.
- 3:05Here's the fundamental problem with how organizations measure
- 3:09transformation. We measure what people say
- 3:12instead of what they do. We ask people if they support
- 3:16the change, and we're surprised when stated support doesn't
- 3:21translate to behavioral change. We track training completion
- 3:25rates, and we assume that completing a course means
- 3:29someone has actually changed how they work.
- 3:32We count system logins, and we conclude that access frequency
- 3:37equals adoption. These aren't measurements of
- 3:40human factors, they're measurements of compliance
- 3:44theater and they explain why organizations keep investing in
- 3:49transformations that fail at 70% predictable rates despite all
- 3:55the dashboards showing them green.
- 3:58Today I'm going to share in the measurement framework we
- 4:01developed to 2040 digital to make psychological rating is
- 4:05visible and actionable for our clients.
- 4:09First, I want to share that if I sound a bit different this week,
- 4:12I had sinus surgery last week, so an active recovery.
- 4:17I wanted to do this episode because this is a topic that I'm
- 4:20incredibly passionate about. So let's start by understanding
- 4:24why the metrics you're currently using are probably lying to you.
- 4:29Research from implementation science reveals A consistent
- 4:33pattern across industries and transformation types.
- 4:36Self reported support for organizational change typically
- 4:39ranges between 70 and 85%. People genuinely believe they
- 4:44support the initiative, but actual adoption rates, measured
- 4:48by sustained behavioral change rather than survey responses,
- 4:52averages between 30 and 45%. That's a gap of 40 to 50% point
- 4:58percentage points between what people say and what they do.
- 5:03And here's the critical insight This isn't a communication
- 5:07problem or a treating gap. It's a measurement problem.
- 5:11We're measuring the wrong things, and then we're surprised
- 5:15when our Men First surveys measure intention, not behavior.
- 5:20When someone says they support a transformation, they're
- 5:23reporting their conscious intention.
- 5:25They genuinely believe they support it.
- 5:28But intention and behavior are governed by different
- 5:31psychological systems. Your conscious mind can commit
- 5:35to change while your unconscious mind is working overtime to
- 5:38protect you from it. This is exactly what we explored
- 5:42in Episode 8 on hidden resistance.
- 5:45The quality director who sincerely supports digital
- 5:48transformation still raises quality concerns that delay
- 5:52implementation. She wasn't lying.
- 5:55She's protecting herself from competence threat in ways that
- 5:59she can't consciously recognize. Surveys also nearly always drive
- 6:05the respondents to answers expected by the survey creators.
- 6:09Whether an individual or a group of authors create the survey,
- 6:13they are developing the questions, then they often to
- 6:17gain consistency response, develop the multiple choice
- 6:21answers that survey construction leads the respondents to choose
- 6:26from what was provided. In my consulting experience all
- 6:31these years, it rarely have I see the truth result from
- 6:35surveys. Those hidden gems of challenges,
- 6:39resistance of important knowledge, only present
- 6:43themselves outside of a survey construct, and only then can one
- 6:48recognize the very human behaviors that are manifesting
- 6:52and causing problems with the project.
- 6:55Second, training metrics measure compliance, not capability.
- 7:01When organizations track training completion rates or
- 7:04training test scores, they're measuring whether people showed
- 7:07up, not whether they retained information, and if they will
- 7:11put that knowledge into action, and not whether they embrace the
- 7:16change. The research on training
- 7:18transfer, the extent to which skills learned in training
- 7:22actually appear in job performance, is sobering.
- 7:25Studies consistently show that only 10 to 20% of training
- 7:29content translates to sustained behavior change on the job.
- 7:34Yet organizations continue to use training completion as a
- 7:38proxy for transformation readiness.
- 7:41Third, usage metrics measure frequency of access, not
- 7:46adoption. System logins, feature clicks
- 7:49and time, and application are all proxies for adoption, not
- 7:54evidence of it. Someone can log into a new
- 7:57system every day and still be doing their actual work in
- 8:00success spreadsheets. They've learned the minimum
- 8:04necessary to appear compliant while maintaining their
- 8:07comfortable workflows. This is one of the most common
- 8:12patterns we see in digital transformation.
- 8:14The dashboard shows 90% usage. The reality is maybe 40% of the
- 8:20people have genuinely changed how they work. 4th milestone
- 8:26metrics measure project progress, not psychological
- 8:30readiness. Traditional transformation
- 8:33scorecards track implementation milestones, technology deployed,
- 8:38training delivered, processes documented.
- 8:42These are important operational metrics, of course, but they
- 8:45tell you nothing about whether people are psychologically
- 8:49prepared to work differently. You can achieve every milestone
- 8:54and still fail the transformation because the human
- 8:58factors simply weren't ready. The fundamental problem is that
- 9:03we're measuring visible activities and assuming they
- 9:06reflect invisible psychology. It's like measuring the number
- 9:12of gym memberships sold and concluding that everyone in the
- 9:15city is fit. The membership is just a leading
- 9:19indicator of intention, not a measurement of outcome.
- 9:24And there is a lot as humans that we intend, that we aspire
- 9:29and even genuinely in the moment believe we will do or complete,
- 9:34whereas in reality we simply don't.
- 9:37So if traditional metrics measure the wrong things, what
- 9:42should we be measuring instead? This brings us to the framework
- 9:46we developed for making human factors visible.
- 9:50Our framework focuses on 4 domains of human factor
- 9:52measurement. Each domain addresses a
- 9:55different aspect of psychological readiness, and
- 9:58together they predict transformation success with
- 10:02significantly greater accuracy than traditional approaches.
- 10:06Let me walk you through each one.
- 10:09The first domain is behavioral readiness, which measures actual
- 10:12behavior patterns rather than stated intentions.
- 10:16Instead of asking people if they're ready for change, we
- 10:19observe whether their behaviors indicate readiness.
- 10:22So here are some specific indicators that we track work
- 10:26around frequency, which tells us how often people are creating
- 10:30parallel processes that bypass the new systems.
- 10:34Workarounds are a reliable indicator of psychological
- 10:37resistance. When someone says they support
- 10:40the new system but maintains their own spreadsheets just in
- 10:44case, they're demonstrating that their behavior hasn't actually
- 10:47changed. Feature depth versus feature
- 10:50breadth reveals whether people are using the full capabilities
- 10:54of new tools or only the minimum features required for
- 10:58compliance. The surface level adoption uses
- 11:02new tools to do exactly what old tools did.
- 11:05It suggests the psychological shift hasn't occurred.
- 11:09Proactive engagement versus reactive compliance shows
- 11:13whether people seek out information about the
- 11:15transformation or only engage when required.
- 11:19Someone who attends optional training sessions and ask
- 11:23questions in Teams meetings is behaviorally ready.
- 11:27Someone who does the minimum required is demonstrating
- 11:31resistance to what we call compliance theater.
- 11:35Help seeking patterns indicate people who are asking for help
- 11:39and how often psychologically ready individuals are asking
- 11:43questions early and very publicly.
- 11:46Those experiencing resistance either don't ask or they ask
- 11:50privately because they don't want to appear incompetent.
- 11:54Behavioral readiness tells us what people are doing.
- 11:58But behavior doesn't happen in a vacuum.
- 12:00It happens within an emotional environment that IR supports or
- 12:04undermines the change. Remember back to Elizabeth
- 12:08Stewart and I emphasizing the criticality of psychological
- 12:11safety in Episode 7. That then now brings us to our
- 12:15second domain, psychological safety, which measures the
- 12:20emotional environment for change.
- 12:23Transformation requires people to acknowledge what they don't
- 12:27know. They can make mistakes while
- 12:30learning and admit when they're struggling.
- 12:34If the environment doesn't feel safe for these behaviors, people
- 12:38will hide their difficulties and they'll fake adoption.
- 12:41This also connects directly to Episode 7, where Elizabeth and I
- 12:46talked about vulnerability being essential for transformation.
- 12:50Question frequency in meetings is a powerful indicator In
- 12:55psychologically safe environments.
- 12:57People ask questions publicly. When question frequency drops,
- 13:02it often indicates that people don't feel safe revealing what
- 13:06they don't understand. Error reporting rates tell us
- 13:12whether mistakes are being reported promptly or whether
- 13:15people are hiding errors until they become too big to conceal.
- 13:20The decrease in error reporting during transformation often
- 13:24means people are afraid of the consequences of admitting
- 13:27they're struggling with the new systems.
- 13:30Peer support dynamics reveal whether team members are helping
- 13:34each other or competing to appear competent.
- 13:39Psychologically safe teams share tips.
- 13:42They troubleshoot together and openly discuss challenges.
- 13:47Unsafe teams keep the struggles very private.
- 13:51Feedback quality matters as well.
- 13:54When people provide specific, constructive feedback about
- 13:57transformation challenges, it indicates psychological safety.
- 14:02When feedback becomes vague or disappears entirely, people
- 14:07don't feel safe about being honest and talking about the
- 14:11problems they're experiencing. Behavioral readiness and
- 14:15psychological safety tell us about current state issues.
- 14:20But transformation is a process that unfolds over time, so we
- 14:24also need to understand the trajectory of change.
- 14:28The third domain is adoption velocity.
- 14:31Adoption velocity measures the speed and quality of behavioral
- 14:35change over time. This domain helps identify
- 14:38whether people are genuinely progressing towards new
- 14:41behaviors or stuck in patterns of resistance.
- 14:45This includes learning curve progression, which determines
- 14:49whether people are improving at a normal rate or showing signs
- 14:53of stalled development. Where you see stalled learning
- 14:57curves, they often indicate psychological barriers that
- 15:01training simply can't address. Remember from episode 9 when I
- 15:05talked about cognitive resources being depleted?
- 15:09Learning capacity diminishes as a result, regardless of training
- 15:14quality. Another factor?
- 15:17Early adopter identification. It matters because in every
- 15:21organization, some people embrace change naturally.
- 15:25Identifying these early adopters and understanding their
- 15:28characteristics helps predict who else is likely to adopt and
- 15:33who will need some additional support.
- 15:35Another factor influence network activation, which tracks whether
- 15:40the early adopters are influencing each other.
- 15:43Transformation spreads through social networks.
- 15:47If early adopters aren't bringing their colleagues along,
- 15:50something is blocking the natural diffusion of the new
- 15:53behaviors. Another factor?
- 15:56Regressive patterns. They reveal whether people who
- 15:59adopted new behaviors are reverting to old ones under
- 16:03stress regression is one of the most reliable indicators of
- 16:07insufficient psychological readiness.
- 16:10The behavior changed temporarily, but underlying
- 16:14psychology didn't shift enough to sustain it.
- 16:18This brings us then to the ultimate question.
- 16:21Are changes actually sticking? Are they becoming part of how
- 16:25your organization operates, or will they fade when attention
- 16:29moves elsewhere? Let's talk about domain 4,
- 16:33sustainability indicators. Sustainability indicators
- 16:37measure whether behavior changes or becoming embedded habits or
- 16:42remaining fragile. Conscious efforts that will fade
- 16:44when leadership focuses on other priorities.
- 16:47Much about what I'm going to share requires active watching
- 16:52and listening of individuals across the organization.
- 16:56Yeah, system metrics help inform, but real listening
- 17:00becomes a superpower in determining if the organization
- 17:03and its culture has reached a level of sustainability with the
- 17:07transformation effort. Some examples here.
- 17:11Habit formation metrics, which determine whether new behaviors
- 17:15are becoming automatic. Early in transformation, people
- 17:19have to consciously choose new behaviors.
- 17:23Successful transformation means those behaviors have become the
- 17:26default. Cultural integration measures
- 17:30whether new behaviors are becoming part of their team
- 17:33identity. When teams start describing
- 17:36themselves in terms of the new approach rather than as people
- 17:40who used to work differently, culture has shifted.
- 17:44Continuous improvement engagement, which looks at
- 17:47whether people are suggesting improvements to new processes or
- 17:51just complying with what they were told to do.
- 17:55Genuine adoption leads to ownership, and ownership leads
- 17:59to improvement suggestions. Next, stress test resilience
- 18:04examines what happens when the organization raises pressure to
- 18:09new behaviors. Persist or do people revert to
- 18:12familiar patterns? The real test of transformation
- 18:16success isn't whether people can work differently when everything
- 18:20is calm, it's whether the new behaviors survive in the time
- 18:24crunched adversity. These 4 domains, behavioral
- 18:28readiness, psychological safety, adoption velocity, and
- 18:32sustainability work together to reveal what traditional metrics
- 18:36hide. Let me show you how this looks
- 18:39in practice by returning to the organization I mentioned in the
- 18:42opening. When we applied the four domains
- 18:45of human factor measurement to the organization where 82%
- 18:49survey support masked 31% actual adoption, here's what we
- 18:53discovered. In Behavioral Readiness, we
- 18:57found that 67% of employees had created personal workarounds
- 19:01that bypassed the new system. Feature Usage analysis showed
- 19:06that 78% of the users were only accessing 3 basic features
- 19:11despite the system having extensive capabilities that
- 19:14could transform their workflows. Help requests had dropped 40%
- 19:18since the transformation began, which initially looked like a
- 19:22positive sign until we realized that meant people have stopped
- 19:26trying to learn and we're simply doing a minimum to appear
- 19:29compliant. In psychological safety.
- 19:33We found the question frequency and transformation related
- 19:36meetings had dropped from an average of eight questions per
- 19:40meeting to two. Error reports had declined 60%,
- 19:45which leadership had initially interpreted a successful
- 19:48adoption. Now, in reality, people were
- 19:52hiding mistakes rather than reporting them.
- 19:55In interviews that we did with the teams, we discovered
- 19:58widespread fear of appearing incompetent.
- 20:01In the new system, people were simply afraid to ask questions
- 20:05because they thought everyone else had already figured it out.
- 20:09In adoption, velocity learning curve analysis revealed that 45%
- 20:14of the employees had plateaued at basic proficiency and it was
- 20:18within the first two weeks and they hadn't improved since.
- 20:22So earlier adopters existed, but they became isolated.
- 20:26They weren't influencing their peers because the brighter
- 20:29culture didn't show experimentation.
- 20:32The most concerning thing We found a 28% regression rate
- 20:37among people who had initially shown strong adoption.
- 20:41When quarter end pressures hit, they reverted to familiar
- 20:45processes because the new behaviors weren't sufficiently
- 20:48embedded. They went right back to what was
- 20:50comfortable and sustainability indicators.
- 20:53Habit formation metrics show that only 23% of employees were
- 20:58using the new system automatically.
- 21:01The rest were still consciously choosing between old and new
- 21:04approaches and choosing old often than not.
- 21:09Cultural integration simply just hadn't occurred.
- 21:12Teams still describe themselves by their workflows.
- 21:15When asked about their work, they say things like we're the
- 21:18team that handles the quarterly reports rather than describing
- 21:22their role in the new system. This data told a completely
- 21:26different story than the 82% survey support, but more
- 21:29importantly, it told us exactly what to address for the
- 21:33organization. The data allowed us to design an
- 21:37intervention that address the actual barriers, not the
- 21:41imagined ones. Instead of more training, which
- 21:44leadership that assume was the solution, we focused on
- 21:47psychological safety and identity threat.
- 21:50We created peer learning poems where small groups could
- 21:53struggle together without judgement.
- 21:56We redesigned error reporting to celebrate learning rather than
- 22:00punish the reported mistakes. We worked with managers to shift
- 22:04their language from are you using the new system to what are
- 22:08you learning as you work with the new system.
- 22:11We helped early adopters become visible mentors rather than
- 22:16isolating them as experts. Six months later, behavioral
- 22:21adoption had increased from 31% to 71%.
- 22:26Not because we train people better, but because we address
- 22:29the psychological barriers that need them unable to adopt what
- 22:33they already knew how to do. So how do you start measuring
- 22:38human factors in your own organization?
- 22:41Let me give you a practical approach that you can implement
- 22:44immediately. First, audit your current
- 22:48metrics. List every transformation metric
- 22:51that you're currently tracking. For each one, ask does this
- 22:56measure what people say or what they do?
- 23:00I can't stress this enough how important that determination is
- 23:03to any project success. Do your current metrics measure
- 23:09compliance or genuine capability?
- 23:12Capability change. You're likely to find that most
- 23:16of your metrics fall into the intention and compliance
- 23:19categories. That's not wrong, but it's way
- 23:23incomplete. Second, identify behavioral
- 23:27indicators for each domain. You don't need sophisticated
- 23:32measurement systems to start. Look for simple behavioral
- 23:35signals and behavioral readiness.
- 23:38Count workarounds and survey teams about parallel processes
- 23:43and psychological safety. Track question frequency in
- 23:46meetings and notice whether errors are being reported or
- 23:50hidden and adoption velocity. Identify your early adopters and
- 23:55ask whether they're influencing others and sustainability.
- 24:00Pay attention to what happens under pressure.
- 24:04Third, create baseline measurements before assuming you
- 24:08understand the current state. Measure the actual current state
- 24:12of human factors before launching any planned
- 24:15interventions. Most organizations don't do
- 24:18this, which means they can't tell whether their interventions
- 24:21are working or whether adoption was going to happen anyway. 4th,
- 24:26triangulate data sources. No single metric tells the whole
- 24:31story. Use multiple indicators for each
- 24:35domain. Look for patterns across those
- 24:38particularly chosen domains. When behavioral readiness,
- 24:42psychological safety, adoption velocity, and sustainability
- 24:45indicators all point in the same direction, you can become pretty
- 24:49confident in your assessment. 5th, use measurement as
- 24:54intervention. The act of measuring human
- 24:57factors can itself change behavior.
- 25:01When people know that psychological safety is being
- 25:04tracked, managers pay more attention to it.
- 25:07When workarounds are being counted, people become more
- 25:10conscious of them. Measurement, then, isn't just
- 25:14about data, it's about signaling what the organization values.
- 25:19Everything I've described so far helps you measure human factors
- 25:23during transformation. But what about measuring
- 25:27readiness before a transformation begins?
- 25:30This is where you can prevent problems rather than just
- 25:34diagnosing them. The best time to understand
- 25:37psychological readiness is before you launch your
- 25:39initiative. Once transformation is under
- 25:42way, you're measuring resistance that already has formed.
- 25:45But if you can assess readiness in advance, you can address the
- 25:50barriers before they become entrenched in the culture.
- 25:53The understanding informs the plan, the activities, and yes,
- 25:58measures that become your hinge points to achieving your goals.
- 26:02At transformationassessment.com, we've built an assessment based
- 26:06on years of research and consulting experience.
- 26:09It measures the gap between stated intentions and likely
- 26:13behaviors. The assessment examines 5
- 26:16dimensions of transformation readiness.
- 26:18The first, leadership alignment, measures whether your leadership
- 26:23team is genuinely unified around the change or fractured in ways
- 26:27that will create resistance. Next, capability readiness,
- 26:31which assesses whether people have the skills they need and
- 26:34feel confident in their ability to develop new ones.
- 26:38Next, Cultural preparedness, examines the psychological
- 26:42safety and openness to change in your organizational culture.
- 26:46Next, communication effectiveness, which determines
- 26:50whether your messaging is creating clarity or confusion.
- 26:54Next, Engagement Foundation, which measures the quality of
- 26:58relationships and trust. The change will be built upon
- 27:01across the organization. What makes this assessment
- 27:04different from typical engagement surveys is that it's
- 27:07designed to reveal the gap between conscious support and
- 27:11unconscious readiness. The questions are structured to
- 27:14surface the psychological barriers that people can't self
- 27:17report directly because they're not consciously aware of them.
- 27:22For leaders then planning their next initiative, the assessment
- 27:25provides the kind of pre work that separates successful
- 27:28transformations from the 70% that fail.
- 27:32It helps you know where the psychological landmines are
- 27:37before you step on them. Take the assessment at
- 27:40transformationassessment.com. The measurement framework we
- 27:45discussed today, the four domains, the behavioral
- 27:48indicators, and the readiness assessment represents A
- 27:52fundamentally different approach to understanding transformation.
- 27:56Instead of asking people what they think, we observe what they
- 28:01do. Instead of measuring compliance,
- 28:04we measure genuine psychological change.
- 28:07Let me leave you with this perspective.
- 28:10The gap between state and support and actual adoption
- 28:13isn't a communication failure or a training problem.
- 28:17It's a measurement problem. We've been measuring the wrong
- 28:20things, and then we're surprised when our green dashboards don't
- 28:24predict green outcomes. We know the traditional
- 28:27transformation metrics measure all of the wrong things.
- 28:32Surveys measure intention, not behavior.
- 28:35Training metrics measure compliance, not capability.
- 28:40Usage metrics measure access, not adoption.
- 28:45Milestone metrics measure project progress, not
- 28:49psychological readiness. We know that there's a gap
- 28:53between what people say versus what they do.
- 28:56The four domains of human factor measurement provide a more
- 28:59accurate picture. Behavioral readiness measures
- 29:02what people actually do, not what they say they'll do.
- 29:06Psychological safety measures whether the environment supports
- 29:10honest struggle in learning adoption velocity measures the
- 29:15speed and quality of behavior change over time, and
- 29:18sustainability indicators measure weather changes are
- 29:22becoming embedded habits. When you measure human factors
- 29:27instead of just activities, you can identify barriers before
- 29:31they become fatal, you can design interventions that
- 29:35address real problems, and you can predict transformation
- 29:40success with much greater accuracy.
- 29:44In our next episode, I'm exploring a danger that
- 29:47threatens every successful organization.
- 29:51It's called drift. What happens when the very
- 29:54success that built your market position becomes the
- 29:57psychological barrier that prevents you from seeing where
- 30:00the market is heading? Do iconic companies like
- 30:04Blockbuster, Kodak, and BlackBerry fail?
- 30:08Not because of one catastrophic decision, but through thousands
- 30:13of small, seemingly reasonable choices that gradually pulled
- 30:18them away from the relevance. How do you recognize when your
- 30:23organization has shifted from actively steering to passively
- 30:27floating, becoming a passenger instead of a captain?
- 30:33Episode 11 then examines the four stages of organizational
- 30:37drift, the six human factors that enable it to take hold, and
- 30:42the strategic framework for building the awareness that
- 30:44prevents drift before it becomes fatal.
- 30:48If you found today's episode valuable, subscribe to the Human
- 30:51Factor Podcast. Wherever you listen to the
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- 30:59with colleagues who are struggling to understand why the
- 31:02transformation metrics aren't predicting the outcomes that
- 31:05they expect. To explore these concepts
- 31:08further, visit 2040 digital.com for the Change Leadership series
- 31:13and subscribe to my Ideas and Innovations newsletter on Sub
- 31:17Stack. Until next time, remember, you
- 31:20can't transform an organization without transforming the humans
- 31:24in it, and you can't transform what you don't measure.
- 31:28And finally, transformation isn't about technology, it's
- 31:32about people. This has been the Human Factor
- 31:35podcast. I'm Kevin Novak, thanks for
- 31:38watching or listening.