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Scream (1996) · Camp Classics

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  Do you like scary movies? Get away from her, you bitch.
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  Classic. He was in the Amazon with my mom
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  Oh. Gross.
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  I mean, that does have legs in it I think.
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  A weird podcast about my insides.
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  already broken the framework of what people are expecting.
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  So you can kind of go anywhere and then I just think, you know,
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  there's, you know, lots to discover inside of my body, so.
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  Oh. Are we, Is that, is that a
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  thing? I think, I think that's like,
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  yeah, the new, the new thing should.
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  We introduce that onto the gate shown.
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  Yeah. How was your How was your stool
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  What do we do here? This is a podcast where we
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  on Spotify, Cara says. When I was outed at 16, my
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  girlfriend just wordlessly put on But I'm a cheerleader and
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  told me, OK, everyone knows now, which means you have to watch
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  this. I love queer education.
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  That's cute. I feel like we must have had
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  this conversation before. Did you have like a gay movie?
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  That someone was like, you're gay now watch this.
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  I don't think I did actually, no.
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  I've said it on the podcast before and me and my other queer
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  friends were all in like, denial and too scared.
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  So like, none of us communicated.
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  So it might be subliminal. Although to be fair, me and one
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  friend were like, Oh my God. Have you seen the new Britney
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  Pepsi Cola advert? Yeah.
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  What do we think of Christina's Coca-Cola?
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  So there was a lot of Britney and Christina chat, which is
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  obviously the F word. What kind of faggot?
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  What about you? Did you What?
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  About what? About me, Yeah, I think so.
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  But they're like from different points in my life.
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  Definitely. Showgirls got showed to me by a
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  boyfriend who was like, I think you might like this kind of
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  thing. I mean, he knows you.
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  You see, darling, you are a whore.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And I remember like my first gay
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  friend being like, you've never watched AB Fab.
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  And like we watched the whole series and that was also very
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  formative, so. I mean, yeah, I was watching
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  Absolutely Fabulous when I was at primary school.
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  Right. And I remember sort of quoting
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  like, oh, third degree Burn sent me to the Betty Ford Clinic and
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  I'm like, they're just watching and listening, aren't they?
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  Yeah, we don't know who you are, but we can tell you're sexy.
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  You like that, don't you, that we don't know who you are?
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  Oh my God, are you watching me now?
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  Oh my God, are you at the window?
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  Are you going to kill me? What was I going to say?
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  We had any unsubscriptions? Because I quite liked there was
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  What did I say? Or maybe they died.
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  Well I'm, you know, I'm glad that you realized it would have
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  Validate me, daddy. Show me to me, please.
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  Send it to me, Rachel. I know we're officially in
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  Halloween season now with this. I think we've been in Halloween
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  season for a while now. Yeah, we have.
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  This is like prematurely. Yeah, we've been like in spooky
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  territory for a while. We did vamp, we did weapons, we
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  did Van Helsing. So we've, we've basically we're
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  ticking all the boxes. We're just a horror podcast now,
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  OK? Kooky witches, vampires,
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  werewolves, and today, men with knives.
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  Yes. Is that Is that the alternative
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  title for this movie? But we ran a poll, didn't we, to
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  find out what what we were going to cover.
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  So this is. And they failed us.
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  They failed us. I still haven't watched.
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  I've never seen Paris Hilton in House of Wax.
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  And I was like, this is the perfect opportunity to and I was
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  like, that will that's Bates that will get them in.
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  I don't know. No.
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  Yeah. So I did a poll on Instagram
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  asking what movie we should cover Scream, House of Wax,
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  Freddy versus Jason and Urban Legend.
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  Hundreds of votes. 45% voted for Scream.
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  No one's fun anymore. Wow, so we really can't go
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  against. We can't, we can't, we can't go
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  against it. I have three.
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  I have access to three different Instagram accounts and I voted
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  all of them. That's really funny.
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  I also like tried to massage the numbers because I was like, if I
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  post a photo of Paris Hilton, people will remember that she's
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  in House of Wax. And and that actually worked.
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  It took like the voting from like 20% for House of Wax to
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  36%. I was like, Oh my God, House of
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  Wax is making a late, late poll comeback.
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  But Even so, whatever happened to fun?
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  God, we really should. You know, this is where we need
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  to pay attention to people like Nigel Farage.
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  Or maybe we don't. But like, yeah, how did they
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  swing the votes? They've got lots of awful ways.
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  Not oh, I thought you meant how like he's very popular, but he's
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  the bad choice because like, I think this is the real crux of
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  the problem with our podcast, which is.
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  Oops. A year in.
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  Are we a year in? Yeah.
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  Yeah, nearly, I think. Yeah, the fact that we've got
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  like popular movies which people want to hear us hear people talk
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  about don't tend to be camp movies.
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  Well, as. We did learn something from a
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  previous episode, and that is that Neve Neve Campbell,
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  whatever her name is, inherently is not camp.
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  Which one was that? It was at the craft.
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  The craft. OK, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  So this is kind of the problem. It's like people are most
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  listened to episodes are the episodes about movies that are
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  incredibly popular, but those it's a hard there aren't that
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  many incredibly popular movies that are also incredibly camp
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  because as we know, being an underdog flop is part of the
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  criteria. So.
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  Oh, so this is the floor of the podcast.
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  But that's fine. I think we just, I think we
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  should just keep ricocheting between obscure like Bridget
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  Nielsen, 80s superhero movies and big budget blockbusters.
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  Yeah, there we go. But that's not saying that we
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  have an answer yet for this episode.
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  That would imply that we have already come to an answer and we
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  have an. I'm open.
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  I'm open to, I'm open to actually, and I think that
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  really does take us on baby. Why don't you let people know
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  what makes a camp classic? Well, a camp classic is
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  something that unlocks queer joy.
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  In the words of Megan Fox, you give me such a wedding.
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  We need an ongoing legacy, something that will make you
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  come back for more and also feeds into queer pop culture.
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  It needs to be so stupid. It's genius.
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  If it makes sense, it's probably not camp.
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  And it needs flaccid energy. So a flop.
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  Rejected by the mainstream, Resurrected by the gays.
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  We are today, of course, covering Scream from 1996.
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  It's the audience pick. We'll see whether or not we live
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  to regret asking for your opinion.
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  But yeah, it's, I mean, I'm, I'm really actually quite excited to
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  talk about this movie. What's your history with it?
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  Well, I feel like I'm of a certain age where this was one
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  of the key films of my like, teen hood.
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  This like represents being bang in the middle of secondary
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  school. And it was just like everyone
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  was talking about it. I don't think anyone was quite
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  old enough to watch it, but it was the kind of thing that like
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  is, is it 18 or 15? It was our SO 15 I think.
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  Oh, OK, it's nice. We did all watch it.
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  Maybe we were slightly too young, but we could get in the
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  cinema kind of vibe. So yeah, I just remember it
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  being one of those like, Oh my God, have you watched Scream?
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  It's such a cool film. And then obviously it it was the
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  start of like that new wave of teen slasher movies, wasn't it?
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  It was the one that urban legend.
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  I know what you did last summer. All of the other screen movies.
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  I mean, there was a real difficulty.
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  There was so many films that sort of came off of this.
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  So yeah, I kind of kind of remember being really into it.
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  How about you? I was the opposite because I was
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  way too scared and a pussy for this kind of movie, so I
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  remember people talking about it.
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  I was like, well, I'm never seeing that movie that looks
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  scary. And I guess at some point in my
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  20s, someone made me watch it and it's.
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  In your 20s? Probably.
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  Yeah, probably. Did peer pressure not exist in
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  Canada? I didn't have any friends.
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  If you can't tell by my personality, I didn't have any
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  friends. Both of the both of the way we
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  laughed then was just a little bit too long that there was a
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  hard truth for it for both of us that was like, you know.
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  Oh God, yeah, I hear that. Okay, yeah.
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  Yeah. So basically I missed it even
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  though I knew the idea. I probably had seen Scary Movie
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  multiple times by the time I watched Scream so I knew the
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  plot also because it is the exact same plot.
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  Yeah, and like that so. And I was about to say because
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  Scary Movie obviously was such a big thing as well, because it
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  was so ingrained in pop culture, wasn't it?
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  All of that and I've got that awful.
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  Was it the bud advert? Was that God?
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  Oh yeah. No, that's what they did in
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  Scary Movie, wasn't it? Because they had like the
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  stones. Right.
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  You're right. You're right.
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  Oh, weird, weird time. But yeah, I hadn't seen it.
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  I I mean, I only watched I Know What You Did Last summer like a
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  month ago for the first time. Oh, you're pure, I was about to
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  say. You're so pure, aren't you?
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  Yeah, and but so I watched obviously Scream again this week
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  to prep for this episode. I really, really enjoyed
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  watching it. And then I was like, well, now I
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  want to know what happened. So then I watched Scream two and
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  three this weekend too. Oh, OK.
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  And I'm, I'm like, I'm in. I can't wait to watch 4-5 and
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  six. I mean, it's, it's a real roller
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  coaster ride. Sure, the screams because there
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  are some highs and some deep deep lows.
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  I love scream too. Just because.
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  Jackie from Roseanne, the mom at the end.
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  Laurie. Metcalf Yeah.
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  Yeah, she's Roseanne's sister in Roseanne.
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  I don't know if you remember that sitcom, but yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, I remember the second.
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  I don't remember her. She's like, she's like, not
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  quite Jamie Lee Curtis, but doing a great.
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  Wanna be a passion? Yeah.
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  Her wide eyed craziness as she's holding that gun is really good.
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  Sorry, spoilers for Scream 2 and then obviously Scream three.
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  Well that was just a camp fest. It was a fucking mess and I
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  loved it. Also, Carrie Fisher was there.
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  I saw the most recent one and the General Ortega one.
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  Yeah, in New York again in the 4D cinema.
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  I recommend it anyway. And it was brilliant because,
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  like, you kept on getting stabbed in the back and it felt
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  like someone was pushing something through your chairs.
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  Every time there was a stab you're like bam bam and the
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  back. Oh, that's quite good.
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  Which? Was really good fun actually.
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  But yeah, but that the franchise has gone to shit, hasn't it?
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  Well, I think it's still making a shit load of money.
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  But they're doing it again now with Neve Campbell.
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  But General Tiger and the other actress that all got ditched,
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  didn't it because of her views on Palestine.
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  Yeah, it's a real, real, real shame.
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  So Neve Campbell dropped out of Scream 6 because she wasn't
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  getting paid enough, which we can, you know, support.
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  Obviously. She's like, I'm the head of this
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  franchise. If I was a man, I'd be getting
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  paid much more than I'm getting offered for this.
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  Pay me more. So she didn't do it.
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  And then Scream 6 came out. I think it was pretty
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  successful. And then, yeah, Melissa Barrera,
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  who was like the new lead alongside Jenna Ortega, she made
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  some pro Palestine statements and she got dropped.
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  Wow. Just so shit.
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  And so then Jenna Ortega kind of quit in solidarity.
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  I know Neff Campbell's back, which I find a little bit
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  troubling. Yeah, but I also don't know
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  enough to really comment. Sure.
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  I think the only thing I have a problem, well outside of this
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  huge thing that we've just been talking about, but it was going
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  in a really interesting direction, the film.
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  And I thought it was really smart because it was kind of
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  like she's the daughter of one of the killers that we'll talk
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  about in a bit, isn't she? But, and you kind of don't know
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  if she is a killer, if she's got that sort of side to her or not.
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  And she's kind of going through some mental health issues that
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  imply that she might also be the killer in the future.
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  And I just, I thought that was a really clever way of taking this
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  franchise because a lot of the time in the screen movies, they
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  do just repeat the same format, digging out another person.
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  Oh, it's you again. And it's it all gets a bit
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  Scooby-doo doesn't. It the third movie is so
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  Scooby-doo, like the way the the way they dial up the slapstick
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  and like, because a lot of it takes place on a mansion with
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  hidden rooms, it's like so scooby-doo, like a spooky
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  mansion. Oops, I've fallen through a
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  bookcase. Oh, there's a killer.
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  Anyway, these movies are a trip, but I've really enjoyed like
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  getting into the the lore of them this weekend.
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  It was so fun. Whatever happened to fun?
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  Let's get into the context. Yeah.
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  So it's 96 and the slasher was just done.
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  There hadn't been like a really successful slasher in a really
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  long time. The writer, Kevin Williamson, he
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  was broke, took a punt on writing this.
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  Wes Craven, who ended up directing, was also kind of
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  washed up. Basically this entire production
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  was in that Christina Aguilera tweet.
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  Christina was at her lowest. Fat, nasty and broke, career in
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  shambles. She came on this bitch mad as
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  hell. I feel like I've been that tweet
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  for like a few years now. I'm waiting for like the
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  Renaissance element. Yeah, what's going to hit?
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  But yeah, this movie went into production with a $15 million
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  budget, and people had pretty low expectations, which probably
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  say here that it was produced by the Weinstein Company.
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  Oh. Jesus Gross.
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  Specifically Bob Weinstein. And yeah, fuck them, yeah.
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  Totally. Fuck those guys.
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  But yeah, when it opened, it opened in fourth place with $6
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  million and was basically written off as a flop.
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  But the audiences coming out of the cinemas who were polled
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  really liked it. And so the studio increased
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  their marketing spend. And instead of dropping in the
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  second weekend, it actually maintained its position.
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  And then on the third weekend, it grew to $10 million.
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  And then it grew again the 4th weekend.
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  So it basically like was a sleeper hit.
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  It went on to gross $173 million worldwide, was one of the
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  highest grossing slashers for like 20 years, and it ended up
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  launching, as we've discussed, a giant franchise which has
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  grossed nearly a billion dollars over 6 films so far.
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  Isn't it really satisfying when anything is a sleeper hit?
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  Yeah. Just the fact that these huge
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  corporations haven't, with all of their data, worked out what
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  the masses are going to spend their money on.
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  And it's just like a bit of a fuck you, isn't it?
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  Like you said, like people that like pretty low parts of their
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  career all taking. Apart, it's really satisfying.
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  It's not landing and then it's like the quality of the work has
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  connected with people. I just like find that so
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  brilliant. Yeah.
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  And it launched, Yeah, it launched the careers of
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  basically everyone in this movie.
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  Like, Neve Campbell was pretty unknown.
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  David Arquette was unknown. Skeet Ulrich had done the craft
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  with Neve. Matthew Lillard.
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  I mean, it didn't. Matthew Lillard's career never
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  really went anywhere, did it? But he had a moment.
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  Who's Skeet Ulrich? I don't know who this man is.
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  He plays Billy. I thought he was called RIP Torn
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  for some reason. Sorry to this man, no RIP Torn.
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  Wow. Why did you think he was called
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  RIP? Torn.
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  I remember him having a stupid name.
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  And then I think it's because, like, everybody fancied him.
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  Yeah. And then I was just like, RIP
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  Torn. Well, why has he been called
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  that? And you know, maybe he's because
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  he's so well endowed as what I'm implying.
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  What, He's given you a fissure? Oh.
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  Jesus. Gross.
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  Or maybe it links to childbirth. I don't know.
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  But his name's not OK Skeet or Rich, which is a horrible name,
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  and in the world of Hollywood, why you wouldn't have changed
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  that name? Skeet.
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  Especially the way he looks. He's, you know, clearly like he.
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  Looks like a skeet. Yeah, but also he's meant to be
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  like the candy, the eye candy of it, even though it's got a bit
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  Weasley for me. But you think they would have
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  just changed his name to something a bit more?
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  Yeah, because he's basically cosplaying as Johnny Depp,
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  right? Yes.
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  It's very bad, but again, you're right, because of the way
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  culture has moved on and because Scary Movie was so ingrained
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  with this movie at the time, you can't quite work out if you're
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  watching the original screen movie or if it's the parody with
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  the actors. But it's so funny.
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  It's so weird. And like, because the tone of
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  this movie is all already like 50% satire, it's like a scary
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  movie didn't need to do that much to make it a parody of
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  itself. It's just, it's confusing when
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  you're watching it, like watching Scary, watching Green 2
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  and that scene with Jada Pinkett Smith, I'm like, I actually
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  don't know if I've seen this before because I've obviously
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  seen it parodied. And it's the.
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  It's basically the same, Yeah. It's yeah.
• 19:13
  Anyway, Scream 7, as you said, is coming out next year.
• 19:16
  Speaking of ongoing legacy, and the writer Kevin Williamson went
• 19:20
  on to Do I Know What You Did last Summer?
• 19:23
  He got Dawson's Creek as a result, which is why they all
• 19:26
  sound kind of the same, actually.
• 19:28
  That's a really good point, Yeah.
• 19:30
  It's very coded, isn't it? Yeah, there it's like teens
• 19:34
  talking like therapist adults. Yes, Oh my God, it is so that it
• 19:38
  is so that because as I was watching it, I watched it last
• 19:42
  night and I was just like, yeah, there's something about the
• 19:44
  dialogue here that I'm like not quite connecting with.
• 19:47
  And that's, and I never connected with Dawson's Creek.
• 19:50
  Like side note about Neve, respect to her for knowing her
• 19:53
  worth. And you know, saying I'm coming
• 19:54
  back now, give me the money, blah blah, blah.
• 19:57
  Also very ballsy because I couldn't name a Neve Campbell
• 20:00
  film that's been made other than Scream since about 25 years
• 20:05
  before. So to be like, hey.
• 20:09
  I'm the big dog around here. This is my movie and I'm going
• 20:12
  to be the head of it. It's kind of like what?
• 20:15
  All right, Floppy over there. Do you know what I mean?
• 20:17
  To quote Faye Dunaway and Mommy Dearest, I'm the biggest female
• 20:20
  star he's got. Biggest female star he's got.
• 20:25
  Yeah, you're kind of right. You're going to write.
• 20:26
  And yet she is. She really is the franchise in
• 20:31
  so many ways. I mean, I guess they proved they
• 20:32
  could do it without her, but it did.
• 20:34
  It was missing her. I think she never really wanted
• 20:37
  to do Scream. She doesn't like horror movies
• 20:39
  so so I guess from her perspective.
• 20:41
  Is she Canadian? Yeah.
• 20:43
  It's just a Canada thing then, because it's like you didn't
• 20:46
  want to watch them. She doesn't want to work.
• 20:47
  On them, I guess, yeah, if you're like, I'm going to be
• 20:51
  stuck doing this fucking job I don't want to do for the rest of
• 20:54
  my life, I'm going to get fucking paid for it so.
• 20:57
  Do you think she said it was such venom like that?
• 21:01
  I'm going on her IMD. I'm going to go on her IMDb now
• 21:03
  to see what she has actually been in since these last films
• 21:06
  because yeah, how dare she, quite frankly.
• 21:11
  Oh, she's in ATV series called The Lincoln Lawyer.
• 21:15
  Another TV series called Twisted Metal.
• 21:18
  Twisted Metal like the video game?
• 21:20
  Yeah, I mean, listen, flop, flop, flop.
• 21:25
  She's not done anything. She was in ATV miniseries called
• 21:30
  Titanic Blood and Steel. Blood and Steel.
• 21:36
  Wow. OK, go off bitch.
• 21:40
  I was going to say maybe these are like real passion projects
• 21:43
  and she's like, I'm using my screen millions to just do
• 21:45
  things that I think are good work.
• 21:47
  But yeah, as I as I suspected, Twisted Metal is post
• 21:51
  apocalyptic action comedy television series based on the
• 21:54
  video game series so. But also as well, of course,
• 22:00
  we've talked about her on in Wild Things as well, another
• 22:04
  film that isn't camped. You've got a lot of heavy
• 22:07
  lifting to do, Miss. I'm the head of the franchise.
• 22:11
  This is our third Neff Campbell movie then.
• 22:13
  Yeah, and we still have never done Bette Midler.
• 22:19
  I don't think we've ever actually done a Liza film.
• 22:22
  But oh, we'll go through the filmography of Neve Campbell.
• 22:28
  That is camp. Yeah, that is camp.
• 22:32
  It's very, you know what? It's very meta camp, just like
• 22:35
  this movie. Only other thing to say about
• 22:38
  context is that this movie has a 78% on Rotten Tomatoes and
• 22:41
  critics pretty much loved it. They loved the performances, and
• 22:44
  they loved the fresh take on the slasher genre.
• 22:48
  We'll get into the plot in a second, but I do have two pieces
• 22:50
  of trivia I wanted to leave you with.
• 22:53
  One, obviously, basically everyone from the 90s was like,
• 22:59
  in some way. Rumored, attached, Auditioned,
• 23:02
  approached classic. Lion DB, yeah.
• 23:05
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, name a person from the
• 23:07
  90s, anyone you can think of. They were probably, like,
• 23:09
  considered for a role or whatever.
• 23:11
  But the one thing I saw that I really enjoyed was the person
• 23:14
  who auditioned for GAIL Weathers, Elizabeth Berkeley.
• 23:19
  Different places. Now wouldn't that have been
• 23:23
  something special? That yeah, I can see it now.
• 23:26
  Yeah. Or fuck it, get Elizabeth
• 23:29
  Elizabeth Berkeley as Sydney and get Gina Gershon as go as now
• 23:33
  we're talking. I am in this movie.
• 23:38
  It's amazing what painting a surgeon can do.
• 23:41
  If only. OK, so let's get into the plot.
• 23:45
  If you're interested in revisiting, it has come to my to
• 23:48
  know that all three of the first screen movies are available on
• 23:51
  BBC iPlayer right now if you live in the UK, so you can watch
• 23:54
  them for free. That's my BBC plug considering
• 23:57
  they've done so much for me. I love the BBC.
• 24:02
  Thanks Syphilis. So opening scene.
• 24:04
  I almost feel like it doesn't need to be described.
• 24:07
  I don't think there's a person in the world who doesn't know
• 24:09
  what happens in this scene. But we've obviously got Drew
• 24:11
  Barrymore wig. Wig, Wig.
• 24:15
  Wig. What is Wig?
• 24:17
  What is wig? No, it's not your language.
• 24:19
  It's just for us. Wig.
• 24:21
  What would we call it? Pageboy.
• 24:26
  Yes, it is very nice. But it's kind of hot.
• 24:29
  Have you dressed up as this as Drew Barrymore in Scream?
• 24:32
  Before so I has Is there a drag queen alive who hasn't done this
• 24:35
  luck? Well, no, that has to be because
• 24:37
  I I did. I'd reenacted the full thing.
• 24:40
  Yeah. That's what I mean.
• 24:41
  I don't think there's anyone alive, any drag queen alive, who
• 24:44
  has not parodied this scene. Like, how many times do you
• 24:48
  think the scene has been parodied?
• 24:49
  Oh, hundreds of thousands. And it's artistically, it never
• 24:54
  gets any more interesting or any better.
• 24:56
  It's still the same phone call, lip sync.
• 25:00
  Oh and then it goes into a song. I think mine went into sheep
• 25:05
  shots. Sheep song by Cher and I think I
• 25:08
  ended up dancing with the killer.
• 25:10
  Oh, yeah, I think that was quite good.
• 25:13
  I mean, in terms of like, if we're going to plot that on
• 25:17
  like, list of references, it's probably like somewhere, you
• 25:20
  know, solidly in the middle. Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's
• 25:22
  been done worse. Yeah.
• 25:24
  But. Also maybe done that better.
• 25:26
  Probably done better. Now you say it, it's just really
• 25:30
  funny with your paint and the scale and size of wigs I'm used
• 25:36
  to seeing you in, to see you in a really small flat wig.
• 25:39
  It's just always a little. Pageboy wig.
• 25:41
  Yeah, it's. Always a treat.
• 25:45
  What happens in this scene? Well, she over acts for her
• 25:48
  life, doesn't she? Yeah.
• 25:50
  I mean, is she bad acting or is she meant to be?
• 25:53
  I wrote down Is Drew Barrymore awful?
• 25:58
  And then I maybe changed my mind by the end of this quite long
• 26:01
  scene. It's like 12 minutes long.
• 26:03
  Yeah, I don't know. Because it's weird, it's weird.
• 26:05
  What are they trying to achieve with this scene?
• 26:08
  Because it's like, I mean, I guess what?
• 26:10
  And we'll get to it. I guess it's to show that Neve
• 26:13
  Campbell has got the smarts about her a bit more right?
• 26:17
  Because when she gets the phone call, the killer calling up, she
• 26:21
  deals with it in a slightly more proactive manner.
• 26:25
  But the division isn't enough to suggest that it's a spoof.
• 26:28
  What Drew Drew Barrymore's doing.
• 26:31
  So for those of you that haven't seen it, Drew Barrymore is doing
• 26:33
  a lot of well, she's kind of starting a bit of sort of sexy
• 26:39
  talk with this weird voice, isn't she?
• 26:41
  It's. Kind of porny, actually.
• 26:44
  It kind of could turn into a porn parody of itself.
• 26:47
  And pretty easily because he doesn't have a sexy voice.
• 26:49
  That weird voice is not sexy. And she's, you know, have you
• 26:52
  got a boyfriend? And she's like, no, do you want
• 26:55
  to maybe be my boyfriend or something?
• 26:57
  I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, girl?
• 26:59
  And what? None of the doors are locked as
• 27:01
  well. None of the doors are locked.
• 27:03
  She locks the doors so far into the scene, it's very annoying.
• 27:06
  I mean, I know we know we're watching something and she's
• 27:09
  about to die, but it's it's hard.
• 27:12
  The reason they did it like this partially is because Drew
• 27:15
  Barrymore was the biggest name in this movie.
• 27:17
  And they wanted people to think they were watching a movie with
• 27:21
  her as the lead and then to shock them by killing her and
• 27:25
  saying like, you don't know anything about this movie.
• 27:27
  Anything could happen. Which I think is a fun concept.
• 27:30
  I think, and we'll get into this maybe more later.
• 27:33
  One of my problems is like, this movie is quite feminist and does
• 27:39
  a lot of subversion, but this opening scene doesn't really
• 27:41
  have any of that. It's actually kind of incredibly
• 27:44
  trophy. And it's kind of, even though
• 27:46
  the movie's trying to say like, we're doing something really
• 27:48
  fresh and different, actually, this opening scene isn't, isn't
• 27:51
  that. Yeah.
• 27:52
  And it doesn't really feel like a comment on it either.
• 27:54
  It's like, I don't know. It's also the I think the
• 27:57
  hardest scene to watch in some ways because her murder is
• 28:00
  fucking brutal. Yeah, it gets really nasty and
• 28:03
  it's interesting, isn't it? Because especially when it's
• 28:06
  like setting up a new sort of wave of slasher films, it's like
• 28:10
  we're starting with the scene and we're saying what, what are
• 28:12
  we trying to say with this movie?
• 28:13
  And as you've just pointed out, we can't quite tell.
• 28:17
  I mean, in a very base way, it is always enjoyable to watch
• 28:21
  these films to be like screaming at them, being like, you stupid
• 28:24
  idiot, close the door. Don't do that.
• 28:27
  So you kind of want them to be a bit shit because you're the
• 28:30
  whole thing is you're like fighting what you would do and
• 28:33
  you want to like kind of be like, don't do that.
• 28:35
  Oh my God, why are you doing that?
• 28:37
  That's a good point, but. There are still ways to do that
• 28:40
  in a more interesting manner. And it's just, yes, it's just
• 28:43
  really like a real bimbo. And I mean, it's just funny
• 28:48
  because like nowadays I'm just like, I would never answer the
• 28:50
  phone anyway. So just.
• 28:55
  Kill me. Like I definitely can't do that.
• 28:57
  Like I'm not capable of being able to talk and talk to someone
• 29:01
  on the phone. Yes, I like repeatedly.
• 29:02
  Like she kept to going back to it, didn't she?
• 29:05
  That's so true. That's so true.
• 29:08
  That's really funny. I think the other thing to keep
• 29:10
  in mind with the scene, and it's hard to remember because we live
• 29:13
  in like such a post Scream world, but the fact that they
• 29:17
  were discussing scary movies in a scary movie was so original
• 29:22
  and fresh that hadn't been done before.
• 29:25
  The idea that these characters were fans of horror and were
• 29:28
  there for like. Influenced by it, yeah.
• 29:32
  Like you watch those bits and I don't know, it's hard to feel
• 29:36
  like that's revolutionary, but I think it was at the time too.
• 29:39
  So I guess maybe that's the statement this scene is trying
• 29:41
  to put across is like we're living in a post horror movie
• 29:45
  world in this movie. Yeah, I mean, it's also got the
• 29:48
  great chat up line. I'd like to cut you like a fish.
• 29:51
  Yeah. Don't threaten me with a good
• 29:52
  time. I want to see what your insides
• 29:57
  look like. So yeah, it goes.
• 29:59
  It starts campy. She looks campy.
• 30:02
  It's cheesy. She's a bit of a bimbo.
• 30:05
  You know, the jock boyfriend's been caught outside on the
• 30:08
  patio, he's about to be killed. But then, like you said, there's
• 30:11
  a real nastiness that happens and it doesn't quite sit in the
• 30:15
  right place for me. Yeah, tonally, it feels
• 30:19
  different to the rest of the movie somehow.
• 30:22
  I think this movie is constantly trying to decide if it's like a
• 30:25
  campy satire or a brutal slasher.
• 30:28
  And sometimes it's one and sometimes it's the other.
• 30:31
  And that's one of the things that kind of takes me out of it.
• 30:34
  Sometimes I'm like, how much am I supposed to care about the
• 30:38
  people involved? How much am I supposed to care
• 30:40
  about the stakes like? Yeah.
• 30:43
  And it's like, because I think it's just that thing of like
• 30:46
  she's been stabbed and then her parents come home awful.
• 30:49
  And then they're on the phone and then they can just hear her
• 30:52
  like last breath. And I think I just think it's
• 30:56
  like that violence feels very real.
• 30:58
  That feels like a very real thing.
• 31:00
  Not not necessarily the setup of hearing it on the phone, but
• 31:02
  just it just felt like real. And like you said, like those
• 31:06
  kind of, I love all horror films.
• 31:07
  So I'm kind of not against any kind of violence in the genre of
• 31:11
  horror. I think it can be interesting.
• 31:12
  But yeah, it's a sit. It just sits.
• 31:14
  It's just like, oh, look at big titted Blondie now.
• 31:18
  She's just now we're really enjoying her, just like slowly
• 31:21
  dying and then that last shot of her where it's like a really
• 31:25
  nasty shot of her being hung. In the tree, yeah.
• 31:29
  I mean, the only thing that does make up for it is the like 90s
• 31:32
  graphics that come in. It's like, wow, we're definitely
• 31:36
  in the 90s now, guys. It's so funny that you say that
• 31:40
  because I was really ready for you to tell me I was being a
• 31:43
  worse, that I was being too sensitive about all of this.
• 31:46
  But yeah, that was definitely my take away, too.
• 31:49
  I was like, this is so brutal for the campy tone that we're
• 31:52
  setting up with the first couple of minutes.
• 31:55
  Yeah, maybe that's the point. Maybe the shockingness is the
• 31:57
  point. Maybe.
• 31:58
  But I also think it's interesting.
• 32:00
  I just think it's the way you frame these things because like
• 32:03
  the way the boyfriend, you know, the lights are turned off and
• 32:06
  they turn the lights back on and then literally his intestines
• 32:09
  are hanging out of his stomach. There's something about that.
• 32:12
  Seemed funny, right? Do you know what I mean?
• 32:15
  Call me crazy, but that that kind of was still like, whoa,
• 32:18
  we're in a horror movie. Yeah.
• 32:21
  And then I also think if you are going to go down the route of
• 32:23
  like adding a bit more realism to it, the film needs to have
• 32:28
  more weight to it to kind of be able to get away with that.
• 32:31
  And again, it felt very throw away and it it didn't feel like,
• 32:35
  as I said before, like we later see other people in those same
• 32:38
  sort of situations and how they deal with it.
• 32:41
  It it didn't seem like there's a big enough leap.
• 32:44
  Like, oh, so that's how like the old school final girls would
• 32:48
  deal with these things. This is where we are today.
• 32:51
  It's like, Oh no, they're still the same basically.
• 32:54
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 32:55
  I think it's, I think it's hard in 2025.
• 32:59
  Even if a movie is aware of the trope, I think it's still very
• 33:02
  hard to watch a woman experience violence, like male violence,
• 33:07
  and for that to feel anything other than like, a little
• 33:09
  upsetting. Unless, yeah, unless it is
• 33:12
  properly subverted. And I think this opening scene
• 33:14
  doesn't really properly subvert it, because whenever a man dies
• 33:17
  in this movie, I'm like, I don't care.
• 33:19
  I don't believe in the glorification of murder.
• 33:22
  I do believe in the empowerment of women.
• 33:25
  But it's also funny. And I mean, I know it's just
• 33:27
  1996, they wouldn't have done that.
• 33:28
  But it's funny when like you get a vibe that Gayle Weathers might
• 33:31
  be responsible for the killing as well.
• 33:32
  It's like, why do our killers always have to be gendered?
• 33:35
  Like like let's get let's get like non binary killer that we
• 33:40
  don't know. Oh, actually, let's not go down
• 33:45
  that route. You can imagine trans women.
• 33:48
  The killer is screened. No right.
• 33:49
  Let's just keep it a CIS man. Have you have you seen that
• 33:53
  TikTok of that person? Like parodying the right wing
• 33:57
  media trying to find a trans person to blame for Charlie
• 34:00
  Kirk's. Oh no, I haven't, but I can.
• 34:03
  Oh, yeah, she's like, so the killer was oh, no, the killer
• 34:06
  wasn't trans. OK.
• 34:08
  Or the bullets, the bullets with the bullets trans like, oh, no,
• 34:11
  no, the bullets are says OK, well, what about the house?
• 34:14
  What about the house? Was the house trans?
• 34:16
  The house he grew up in the house was trans, right?
• 34:18
  No, no. What?
• 34:19
  Oh, did he get transport to the people?
• 34:22
  Aside, you know, but you're right, that's a digression.
• 34:26
  But what I will say is true, Barrymore certainly makes an
• 34:30
  impression. But the other thing is as well
• 34:31
  as it's like we're still in like my, my idea of what like good
• 34:35
  Drew Barrymore is even even if she's not acting very well, I'm
• 34:39
  like, Oh yeah, she's really cool.
• 34:41
  It's not like chat show host Drew Barrymore.
• 34:44
  Now imagine her on the phone to a killer.
• 34:47
  She'd be like, Oh my God, I love, I love scary movies.
• 34:51
  Oh my God. I just, I really just resonate
• 34:53
  with all scary. Movies.
• 34:55
  Yeah. Like, Oh yeah.
• 34:56
  You literally, that's what this is, what the new scary movie
• 34:59
  would be. It'd be the killer stabbing
• 35:01
  themselves dead having to listen to her.
• 35:07
  You're so right, yeah. I mean, she'd be the killer,
• 35:09
  wouldn't she? It'd be her on her chat show.
• 35:11
  She's. I just wanted to be your
• 35:13
  friends. You will stay with me whenever
• 35:18
  you. Can go out into the rain.
• 35:21
  Do not miss the opportunity. Well, she's dead now, isn't she?
• 35:25
  So bye, bye Drew. Yeah, then we meet Sydney
• 35:29
  Prescott at home, and that's obviously Neve Campbell.
• 35:32
  And we also meet her skeezy boyfriend, Billy, who has turned
• 35:36
  up at her window and is pressuring her for sex.
• 35:38
  Wow. What a great I mean, talk about
• 35:42
  red flags, yeah. Honestly.
• 35:45
  And it's like, hey. Window and tells you you're not
• 35:47
  giving it up. Yeah, like why aren't you giving
• 35:49
  it up? And then it's basically like,
• 35:51
  why don't we do stuff over the underwear?
• 35:54
  It's like, oh wow. Because that's not problematic
• 35:57
  at all, is it? Yeah.
• 35:59
  But again, in Scary Movie, I've. I still love this scene because
• 36:04
  he ejaculates at one point, doesn't he?
• 36:07
  And she gets stuck to the ceiling.
• 36:09
  Yeah, because he's been building it up.
• 36:10
  Yeah, we should have done a scary movie instead of this.
• 36:16
  I think that movie is probably really fucking problematic.
• 36:18
  Really problematic but. Yeah, I think I would.
• 36:21
  I don't think I would have been able to enjoy it.
• 36:23
  I don't know, Maybe I would have.
• 36:24
  But I just think it's mostly gay jokes, isn't it?
• 36:26
  Yeah, Yeah. Well, actually brings me into
• 36:29
  Did you ever sneak into anyone's room when you were younger?
• 36:34
  It's a very American thing to do, isn't it?
• 36:35
  Yeah. Do you remember how I said I had
• 36:37
  no friends? OK, because I did, but I was a
• 36:40
  bit older. I went into someone's living
• 36:42
  room and gave. Them a blowjob?
• 36:44
  Oh wow. And then they hurt they because
• 36:46
  it was like, you know, we don't live, we don't live in America
• 36:49
  in these like film houses where they're huge.
• 36:51
  It was like really small semi detached house and like the dad
• 36:55
  upstairs heard something and came down and I had to hide
• 36:57
  behind the sofa. And I've never felt so fucking
• 37:00
  scared in my life. Did you get away with it?
• 37:02
  Yeah, they didn't. They didn't.
• 37:03
  They came down and sort of checked the room, but there was
• 37:06
  no one. They didn't.
• 37:07
  I didn't think they heard the blowjob going on, but they had.
• 37:14
  It definitely wouldn't have been very good.
• 37:16
  It probably me wearing a brace then.
• 37:20
  Honey, honey, wake up. Do you hear a dry rasping coming
• 37:23
  from the living room? Think I can hear something
• 37:25
  really toothy going on? Were you there?
• 37:30
  You were there, weren't you? You actually right at me though,
• 37:33
  I I have had that exact same situation.
• 37:35
  I went like to my friends, my boyfriend's this is probably at
• 37:39
  19 or something, but I went to my boyfriend's family home and
• 37:42
  he wasn't out to them or they were like not cool with him
• 37:44
  being gay and yet he'd brought me.
• 37:46
  So we were staying in separate rooms and then he snuck into my
• 37:49
  room in the night, which was like definitely not going to be
• 37:52
  cool. And then we were having sex and
• 37:54
  his mom started bounding on pounding on the door and was
• 37:56
  like Julian get out of there. So and then I had to have
• 37:59
  breakfast with him the next day. I mean, you look back and you're
• 38:02
  like, could I have done without that for one night?
• 38:05
  Yeah, just for that situation too.
• 38:06
  Turns out I was that desperate. Unless you were into it.
• 38:10
  Oh, it's very Sharon Stone of you, isn't it?
• 38:12
  You wanted them to listen to you fucking their son.
• 38:16
  When you think about me fucking your son.
• 38:21
  And that's what you said over orange juice and toast in the
• 38:23
  morning. How do you picture it, Doctor?
• 38:28
  Oh my God. OK, we're still not.
• 38:29
  Everyone fancied Billy at school though when I was at school
• 38:32
  everyone fancied him. He was like, which says a lot
• 38:36
  about kind of toxic Society of what an attractive man is.
• 38:40
  He's got the 2 little Johnny Depp strands.
• 38:43
  And that's how we knew someone was hot in the 90s.
• 38:46
  Yeah. So the next day, Sydney goes to
• 38:48
  school and finds out about Casey's murder.
• 38:52
  That's Drew Barrymore. We meet Tatum, played by our gal
• 38:55
  Rose McGowan. Great.
• 38:57
  Amazing. Yeah.
• 38:59
  If you want to know all of the behind the scenes T that Rose
• 39:03
  told us, well, you can go back and listen to that episode.
• 39:05
  But she spills some great things about, like, for example, dyeing
• 39:07
  her hair blonde so she'd get the part.
• 39:09
  We also meet GAIL Weathers, played by Courtney Cox, and
• 39:13
  she's in an iconic look. This is camp.
• 39:16
  This is camp. And it's like, thank God,
• 39:18
  because like, she basically Courtney knew that she was going
• 39:21
  to be in a film with Neve Campbell.
• 39:23
  And she's like, oh fucking hell. OK, well, she's not going to
• 39:26
  wear any color or have any kind of color to the scene.
• 39:29
  So I need to step up and chew the scenery up a bit here.
• 39:32
  And that's what. She does.
• 39:33
  How much you hate Neve? Campbell, she just does the same
• 39:35
  character. It's all like, slightly
• 39:38
  intellectual, very kind of, yeah, just a bit like, oh God,
• 39:44
  give her a slap at least. I appreciate with Courtney Cox,
• 39:47
  though, because, like, she's coming from like, such an
• 39:50
  annoying sitcom. I hate Friends so much and like
• 39:56
  Monaco is such an annoying character and I like that she
• 40:00
  excuse my friend she's playing a complete cunt in this and I'm
• 40:02
  like yes go for it. And she was excited.
• 40:05
  She lobbied the studio to get this part because she's like, I
• 40:08
  need to play something other than Monica.
• 40:12
  Let me play a bitch. Please, God, let me play a
• 40:15
  bitch. And I love that for her.
• 40:17
  And she chews it up. She does such a good job.
• 40:19
  I think she's fabulous in this movie.
• 40:21
  Actually, you know what? I think basically everyone is
• 40:24
  pretty fabulous in this movie. I think everyone is hitting
• 40:26
  their marks. I know Nevada is giving Drab,
• 40:29
  but I think she's doing a really good job of being leading lady
• 40:31
  in this movie. But also it's because, you know,
• 40:34
  she's had a hard time because her mom's a slut.
• 40:37
  That's what we learn, isn't it? Wow, they love, they love
• 40:40
  calling her mum a slut. Don't know.
• 40:42
  That's, that's, that's the take home I've got from this film is
• 40:45
  that Sydney's mother was a slut and she deserved to die.
• 40:48
  That's the message. Yeah, I mean it.
• 40:51
  And it carries on for two more movies.
• 40:53
  I'd say that's the overarching message for Screams 1-2 and
• 40:56
  three. I mean, we love.
• 40:57
  Slutty, slutty mum. We love all sluts here at Camp
• 41:01
  Classics, but it does make you wonder like how slutty was she?
• 41:05
  Because she don't like to be calling her a slut?
• 41:07
  Did she just sleep with someone's, you know, husband the
• 41:11
  ones? Or was she really like a proper
• 41:15
  sort of cock destroying slut that was really just like
• 41:18
  causing havoc around the town? Because part of me would.
• 41:21
  I don't think she deserves to be killed for that, but part of me
• 41:24
  loves the idea that actually wow since his mother was a real
• 41:29
  slut. I think that's a running joke in
• 41:32
  the Scary Movie movies too, isn't it?
• 41:34
  But yeah, you're so right. If it was 2025 she'd just have
• 41:36
  an Instagram pic called like the Smoking housewife and it would
• 41:39
  just be videos of herself in latex skirts just smoking and
• 41:43
  stepping on men. Yeah, where in reality, I think
• 41:46
  she's just had one affair with someone, hasn't she, by the
• 41:50
  sounds of it? I think we find out two.
• 41:52
  Oh, OK. Yeah, 2 because Cotton weary.
• 41:55
  So at least we know she's had sex with at least three men and
• 41:58
  I'd say that's. Oh my God, what a slut.
• 42:01
  That's far too many for a woman to live.
• 42:04
  Your mother sucks cocks and hell yeah.
• 42:06
  Satire. Joke, joke, joke.
• 42:08
  I think that's problematic, by the way.
• 42:12
  Is that OK here for me to say? I think I fancy David Arquette.
• 42:15
  Yeah, Yeah. Even here it's something, you
• 42:18
  know, in the words GAIL Weathers.
• 42:21
  I mean you look like a 12 year old.
• 42:24
  He doesn't. He doesn't look like a 12.
• 42:26
  She's coming on to him and that's part of her chat up line.
• 42:29
  You look like a 12 year old but you're torso is different.
• 42:32
  It's like what the fuck are you talking about?
• 42:35
  Well, this is a Weinstein production.
• 42:37
  Oh OK, so then we meet the whole friend group.
• 42:41
  We've got the Fonzie as well that we meet.
• 42:43
  Oh yeah, we've got The Fonz again.
• 42:45
  He feels like he's in a different movie to everyone
• 42:47
  else. I hate these additional friends
• 42:50
  who like the movie Buff Geeks. I hate them so much, Randy.
• 42:53
  Yeah, I hate them. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Randy's annoying. I think Matthew Lillard is doing
• 42:59
  amazing work in this movie. I know the character is awful
• 43:03
  and he's like a toxic, disgusting man, but I just think
• 43:05
  it's cool watching someone perform this hard.
• 43:09
  And I kind of respect it. Yeah.
• 43:11
  But we meet the whole friend group, and they're discussing
• 43:13
  who could have killed Casey. And this is where we learned,
• 43:15
  yes, that Sydney's mother was killed a year ago.
• 43:17
  And basically, she should probably get over it by now
• 43:20
  because it's been a whole year. I want my girlfriend back, yeah,
• 43:24
  so I can fuck her. Yeah, Come on, Sydney.
• 43:27
  We're just going to make jokes about a girl who's been
• 43:29
  disemboweled from our class. Why are you being so sensitive?
• 43:32
  It's your mom. Died a whole year ago.
• 43:35
  Very similarly. Like, grow up.
• 43:37
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's really fucking weird.
• 43:40
  Tonally, it's weird. The people in this movie don't
• 43:41
  care about death. It's like, it's like we're in a
• 43:44
  parallel universe where that's just how life is.
• 43:47
  It will happen to all of us, so maybe you don't want to, I
• 43:49
  guess. So, well, when you die, I'm
• 43:51
  going to just tell everyone to get over it.
• 43:56
  That is such a punchy move just to say get over it.
• 43:59
  Like I'm here for it. Listen, you've got things to be
• 44:02
  doing. We can't be like, moping about
• 44:04
  Boo, you whore. Then Sydney gets a call from the
• 44:07
  killer while she's at home and she's attacked and we see that,
• 44:11
  yeah, she's, she's not like Drew so much.
• 44:13
  Yeah, she's. Got the smarts about her.
• 44:15
  Hasn't. She and she's a bit more ballsy,
• 44:17
  isn't she? She calls this bluff, she goes
• 44:18
  out onto the porch. She like.
• 44:20
  She thinks so when she gets chased up to her bedroom about
• 44:24
  going on a live messenger channel with the police.
• 44:28
  I'm sorry. She knows what she's doing.
• 44:30
  I have the mind of a mastermind. What's that?
• 44:33
  I don't know. But this was, yeah, quite a fun.
• 44:37
  Did you know in 96 you could call the police from a from
• 44:39
  APCI? Also feel really, I mean, do I
• 44:43
  feel something for the police? But like because I feel like
• 44:46
  they wouldn't have the technology to track it like they
• 44:48
  would do now. So the amount of people that
• 44:50
  would be like help my assholes on fire or.
• 44:56
  I love that's where your brain goes because it's just what you
• 44:58
  wanted, Yeah. Hello, is this the cocksucker
• 45:04
  residence? But yeah, the killer taxer, she
• 45:09
  manages to, like, shake him off. And then Billy turns up and so
• 45:14
  is immediately arrested as a suspect.
• 45:16
  And yeah, this is where we we've met Dewey, played by David
• 45:19
  Arquette. He's the bumbling police.
• 45:21
  They'll say, wouldn't you just be like, I'm not cool with you,
• 45:23
  Just keep on climbing through my window whenever you want to.
• 45:26
  Like even if we are seeing each other like there's a killer on
• 45:29
  the loose. And also it's just, it's scary.
• 45:32
  Could you just not do that anymore?
• 45:34
  My mother was murdered, so let's, like, use the door.
• 45:39
  Yeah, just let's ring the doorbell.
• 45:42
  Use the door. Maybe give me a call to let me
• 45:44
  know that you're coming over, like, yeah.
• 45:47
  I've I've got a small amount of trauma because of the grisly
• 45:49
  murder of my mother one year ago.
• 45:52
  Could you, you know, modify your behavior slightly?
• 45:54
  Also my mother, you know, I've spent, you know, since my
• 45:57
  mother's death, I've had to kind of listen to like lots of people
• 46:00
  there are strangers talk to her about how much of A slut she is
• 46:04
  and therefore associate having sex with like negative comment
• 46:07
  connotations. So losing my virginity to you
• 46:09
  doesn't seem to be like on the top of my list right now.
• 46:12
  It's like, fuck it, girl. It's.
• 46:14
  So true, so true. OK, so Sydney goes to the
• 46:19
  police, police headquarters and then she has a run in with GAIL.
• 46:24
  GAIL is sensationalizing Sydney's mom's murder and also
• 46:29
  believes that Sydney helped put away the wrong man.
• 46:31
  Well, that's the thing. Like she's made some coin out of
• 46:33
  this situation. But she listen, she's giving a
• 46:36
  bit more insight into the storyline, isn't she, with her
• 46:38
  research? Yeah.
• 46:40
  And so Sydney Dex, GAIL, And that's quite fun.
• 46:43
  And what does what does GAIL say to her cameraman?
• 46:48
  Move your fat tub of lard ass now.
• 46:51
  It is the 90s and we will be slut shaming and fat shaming.
• 46:56
  But yeah, we this is where we hear about Cotton Weary, who is
• 46:59
  the man who's been put away and is on death row for Sydney's
• 47:03
  mom's murder. I want to shout out the name
• 47:05
  Cotton Weary. I think it's great.
• 47:07
  Shout out the name GAIL Weathers.
• 47:08
  I think it's great. I love the names in this movie.
• 47:10
  They're so weird. What?
• 47:11
  Sydney Prescott, Yeah. Yeah, they're great.
• 47:14
  They're really memorable. Yeah, they've like managed to
• 47:16
  create. I can guarantee no one in the
• 47:19
  world is called Cotton Weary. And it's like Sarah Michelle
• 47:23
  Gellar and I know who know what you did last summer.
• 47:25
  Helen Shivers, great name. This guy has a gift for names,
• 47:29
  basically. So then Sydney stays at Tatum's
• 47:32
  house and she gets another call from the killer, which means it
• 47:36
  couldn't have been Billy because he's in jail.
• 47:39
  So he's released. Some more stuff happens.
• 47:44
  Sydney's attacked again at school, the principal gets
• 47:47
  murdered, school gets cancelled. Billy is a douche bag.
• 47:52
  He has more sex pressure and then everybody has a party at
• 47:57
  Stu's house. Yes, and then we get a really
• 48:00
  brilliant deaf scene, don't we? From our mate we.
• 48:04
  Sure, we sure do. So, yeah, Randy just explains
• 48:10
  the rules of surviving a horror movie.
• 48:11
  He says don't have sex, don't do drugs or drink.
• 48:13
  And don't say I'll be right back.
• 48:15
  But then our girl, Tatum Rose McGowan, goes to get some beers.
• 48:19
  This scene is camp. It is really camp, but again,
• 48:22
  it's kind of like because of the scary movie thing, like they do
• 48:25
  some of the lines that she's already done, like when he's
• 48:28
  there, oh, what do you want me to be?
• 48:30
  You know, the scared, you know, girl, and you're going to kill
• 48:34
  me. And then that's when he like
• 48:35
  scares her. So it's like, it's so tongue in
• 48:38
  cheek, isn't it? It's kind of like.
• 48:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The lines are already so, so
• 48:43
  much satire that like, yeah, the Scary Movie just had to turn the
• 48:46
  dial very slightly in order to, like, make it extreme.
• 48:49
  Yeah. It's it's it's strange.
• 48:51
  I feel like I know I'm not just saying it's Brown who knows her
• 48:54
  because she's been on the podcast.
• 48:55
  I feel like roses. I feel like she's underused in
• 48:58
  this movie. I would like to have seen more
• 49:00
  of her character in general. Yeah, yeah, I know what you
• 49:03
  mean. But I think she's actually great
• 49:05
  in it. Like, I think she does a really
• 49:06
  good job. This is up there with Drew as
• 49:09
  like one of the most iconic deaths in the series I'd say.
• 49:13
  But again, it's like it's interesting about where they're
• 49:15
  placing it, isn't it? Because it's like you're seeing
• 49:18
  her ass in a short skirt, yes, through a cap blap, and then
• 49:22
  you're seeing her incredibly hard nipples through her like
• 49:25
  cardigan. It's like Azealia Banks, Anna
• 49:28
  Wintour. Yeah.
• 49:28
  Of nipple edge. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:32
  And it's like, yeah, she gets killed, but that is kind of
• 49:35
  like, oh, she's hot and she's been killed and there's not
• 49:38
  another layer to it or another. I guess the other layer to it is
• 49:42
  that she is it that she fights back and is kind of doing quite
• 49:46
  well. Yeah.
• 49:47
  But it's kind of sort of I think maybe I think again, it's 1996,
• 49:51
  but I think we're used to seeing more of a fight back now, aren't
• 49:56
  we? If if that's going to be the
• 49:57
  case, it's still. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 50:00
  I'm what I guess I wonder in 96 if it felt really fresh the way.
• 50:05
  She but The thing is as well, it's like if we're looking at
• 50:08
  this purely from like an entertaining slasher thick, it's
• 50:10
  a campy setup. It's a nice creative way to die.
• 50:13
  I mean, listen, no one wants to be killed.
• 50:17
  So actually is it just better? At least that's a memorable way
• 50:20
  to go. Do you know what I mean?
• 50:22
  Yeah. Oh, you know, I was stabbed with
• 50:24
  many at the house party. Or well, I got caught in a cat
• 50:27
  littered a cat flap. Oops.
• 50:29
  And I was hanging there. It's kind of yeah, I think.
• 50:32
  And I think because it is like a creative and kind of implausible
• 50:35
  way to die it, it softens the brutality of it a bit.
• 50:40
  Unlike Drew, who just gets like gutted and hung.
• 50:43
  And it's really horrible. Like, yeah, this this death kind
• 50:47
  of fits in sort of with the rest of the deaths in the movie where
• 50:51
  I don't feel like the emotional weight of it in the same way.
• 50:54
  Yeah. But I agree.
• 50:55
  It's still yeah, like hot girl dies, but I guess that's gonna
• 50:59
  happen in a slash. Yeah, and listen, I guess hot
• 51:01
  girls can die as well. Like, I guess everybody, we're
• 51:06
  all up for grabs. If there's a serial killer, any
• 51:09
  of us can get it coming to us. Meanwhile bit Billy and Sydney
• 51:14
  make up from their fight and she initiates sex with him and they
• 51:19
  have sex and then I don't know, I might just kind of yadda
• 51:22
  yadda. It gets a bit gets a bit
• 51:24
  complicated, but lots more fights, chases, murders and then
• 51:28
  we get the reveal that they're actually 2 killers and they're
• 51:31
  it's Billy and Stu. Billy confesses that they killed
• 51:36
  Sydney's mother because of the discovery of her.
• 51:39
  Her mother's affair with his father led to his mother
• 51:42
  abandoning them. And can I just say the way he
• 51:45
  says that as a motive, because they have all of this chat about
• 51:48
  like motives. Oh, you know, it's like it's the
• 51:51
  90s. You don't need a motive anymore.
• 51:53
  That's so like predictable. But then then he's like, but
• 51:55
  hey, how's this for a motive? And the way he sort of says
• 51:59
  like, your slut mom slept with my dad, which means that he, you
• 52:04
  know, left me. I was like, is that all you've
• 52:07
  got? Yeah.
• 52:08
  Oh. To be like a child in a broken
• 52:12
  home, that is literally all you've got.
• 52:14
  Imagine if being in a broken home was enough to justify being
• 52:18
  a serial killer. How many serial killers would be
• 52:20
  rife in the country right now? But I think that's kind of what
• 52:23
  I like about it because it's this movie does feel like it's
• 52:26
  really pointing at male fragility.
• 52:28
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a really good point.
• 52:30
  It's like it's really showing these boys to be just like
• 52:34
  pathetic boys who don't have a good reason, who are just
• 52:38
  sadistic, who are blaming other people for their problems and
• 52:42
  who are using it to like using their rage and enacting it on
• 52:46
  other people because they have no way of processing it for
• 52:49
  themselves. It's like they're it's they're
• 52:51
  very childish once they get revealed.
• 52:53
  And I kind of like that for them.
• 52:55
  They're not like these unstoppable horses, these, like
• 52:59
  beyond the grave killing machines.
• 53:01
  They're just like douchebags. Yeah.
• 53:03
  Douchebags, Yeah. And the movie seems to be really
• 53:06
  clear to, like, point that out. Yeah.
• 53:09
  Yeah, actually it's yeah, that's a very true description.
• 53:12
  It's interesting. I wonder if it would have felt
• 53:14
  like that as much in the 90s though.
• 53:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
• 53:19
  Yeah. Because we weren't really having
• 53:21
  like big conversations about toxic masculinity in the 90s
• 53:24
  where we. Yeah.
• 53:25
  Whereas now it feels even more loaded the way you've just sort
• 53:28
  of framed it. Yeah, totally.
• 53:30
  It's also kind of interesting because Stu doesn't seem to
• 53:32
  really have a motive. So like they've kind of got to,
• 53:35
  they've got like the peer pressure kid and Billy who's got
• 53:39
  his like, quote, UN quote motive.
• 53:41
  But yeah, their plan is to kill everyone and then frame Sydney's
• 53:46
  father and make it look like they're also victims who
• 53:48
  survived. But Sydney manages to turn the
• 53:51
  tables on them. It's very satisfying.
• 53:53
  She gets away. She uses the voice box and the
• 53:56
  math and the costume to like, scare them, which is really
• 53:59
  satisfying. She kills Stu with a TV which is
• 54:03
  a fun death for a villain and then GAIL appears and shoots
• 54:07
  Billy and then Billy comes back for one last scare and Sydney
• 54:10
  shoots him in the head. I don't believe in the
• 54:12
  glorification of murder. I do believe in the empowerment
• 54:17
  of women. That's a nice little campy
• 54:19
  stupid. And again, that's when it kind
• 54:21
  of you're like, oh, this is all very knowing.
• 54:23
  It's very tongue in cheek. Because I think a lot of the
• 54:25
  thing was when it was released was it was, it's taking the piss
• 54:28
  out of the genre as much of it as it's moving it forward.
• 54:32
  So it's really nice to have those moments.
• 54:34
  But yeah, there's just a few tonal bits in it where you're
• 54:37
  like, oh, that's a bit shit on women, isn't it?
• 54:40
  But. Yeah, Yeah.
• 54:41
  Well, should we talk about the the feminism or not of this
• 54:45
  movie? One thing I liked about it is
• 54:48
  that it doesn't have a lot of male gaze issues.
• 54:52
  Like probably Rose Mcgowan's character is the one who's the
• 54:56
  most sexualized and even her it's it's not like she's ever in
• 55:00
  the shower naked. Like female nudity is treated
• 55:04
  pretty respectfully I would say in this movie.
• 55:07
  It doesn't feel like it's as salacious.
• 55:11
  And like ultimately at the end you've got 2 strong women out
• 55:16
  winning out, gunning the killers, showing themselves to
• 55:18
  be really resourceful. Putting aside their differences,
• 55:22
  they're both like quite different characters.
• 55:24
  They've got complexity and layers.
• 55:27
  I mean, obviously this movie talks a lot about like the
• 55:29
  legacy of the final girl and how it she needed to be pure and
• 55:33
  virginal. Virginal.
• 55:37
  Clearly a word you don't know. Boo, you whore.
• 55:42
  And it's neat that this movie subverts it.
• 55:44
  It's kind of really taking place in this like girl power era,
• 55:47
  isn't it? Where it's like, you can be a
• 55:49
  girl, you can have sexuality, you can have this, but it
• 55:52
  doesn't necessarily mean you can't also be a feminist or
• 55:55
  strong. I mean, totally.
• 55:57
  And that's represented in us seeing GAIL Weathers running in
• 55:59
  hills. It's very Jurassic Park, isn't
• 56:03
  it? Yeah, that's so true.
• 56:05
  Hey, do you know how much these hills cost me?
• 56:07
  I'm not taking them off. They match my outfit, goddamnit.
• 56:10
  I'm going to run in them. But like also, if you think back
• 56:15
  to like Ripley, Sigourney Weaver and Alien, like that movie
• 56:19
  really had a good look at her body.
• 56:21
  Do you know what I mean? Like, yes, she was tough, she
• 56:24
  was badass. But like the movie definitely is
• 56:26
  like, and also we're going to look at her Bush and that it's
• 56:31
  interesting that this movie doesn't really do that.
• 56:34
  So I'll give it that for its credit.
• 56:36
  I mean, you know, and what Neve Campbell has has had to go
• 56:40
  through to kind of avoid being too much of that male gaze, you
• 56:44
  know, the layered feathered hair that she's got at one point she
• 56:48
  has it and then up doing it looks like she's going to prom.
• 56:50
  And it's like, wow, the hairdresser hates you or you
• 56:54
  hate hair fashion. I can't decide where it is but
• 56:58
  like. How do you feel about Gail's
• 57:00
  hair? Because it's like.
• 57:01
  Oh, she's did you. It was like Sun in a big thing
• 57:03
  for you in the 90s. It's very Sun in.
• 57:06
  So for some listeners might not know what Sun in is because I
• 57:08
  don't know if it's still a used thing because people are adults
• 57:11
  and get their hair dyed properly now.
• 57:12
  But Sun In was a product that he's just put sprayed in your
• 57:15
  hair. And then by being exposed to the
• 57:18
  sun, the bleach would activate, wouldn't it?
• 57:20
  So yeah, it was meant to give you like, blonde streaks, but
• 57:23
  everyone would end up with like a kind of rancid orange because
• 57:26
  everyone would put in way too much for way too long as well.
• 57:29
  I never saw it ever, ever hit the way it was meant to.
• 57:33
  But she's got like these kind of copper streaks.
• 57:35
  Super chunky, yeah. Copper and blonde.
• 57:38
  I love it. And her little like wispy
• 57:41
  fringe. I think it's wonderful.
• 57:44
  No notes. No notes.
• 57:47
  Here. God damn here.
• 57:49
  Well, I also talked about the, like, killers being driven by
• 57:52
  their misogyny, by their hatred of women, which has kind of led
• 57:56
  them to become murderers. I think that's an interesting
• 57:58
  comment. But yeah, as we also said, like
• 58:01
  I think this movie is saying, oh, we're so aware of, like,
• 58:04
  misogyny and these problematic tropes.
• 58:05
  And yet it also kind of does still replicate some of them,
• 58:09
  especially in that opening scene.
• 58:10
  So it's kind of like an interesting moment in time, I'd
• 58:13
  say. Yeah, definitely.
• 58:14
  It's and that's the thing I think we've seen with like the
• 58:17
  more recent screen franchises they've, you know, to varying
• 58:21
  levels of success, they have definitely moved away and
• 58:24
  progressed with the way the final girls are represented in
• 58:29
  those films. And like, yeah, I just think,
• 58:33
  yeah, it's just it's the time capsule of like a lot of things,
• 58:36
  this movie. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it was
• 58:40
  really fun to revisit and like to try and place it in that, in
• 58:44
  that 90s context. I think 496, I think it's
• 58:47
  really, it is genuinely really progressive in lots of ways,
• 58:52
  yeah. And you're right.
• 58:53
  And I think it's so obvious. Like the Dawson's Creek person
• 58:56
  wrote it. Yeah.
• 58:58
  Because I think that's the thing that jars with me slightly is
• 59:00
  it's just there's something that is, you know, there's so much
• 59:04
  going on. The dialogue does sort of slow
• 59:07
  it down and bog it down a bit. And it does all just feel a bit
• 59:10
  like serious and a bit like, and actually it should be fucking
• 59:14
  wild and frantic. And they just don't seem like
• 59:17
  young people I want to hang out with.
• 59:19
  Yeah, you're so right. You're so right.
• 59:21
  A couple things about that. Yeah.
• 59:23
  So the writer is gay, which I think explains like a lot of the
• 59:27
  subversion. I think it explains, like, the
• 59:29
  criticism of men. It feels like he's very
• 59:32
  pointedly being like, these are the fuckers who, like, bullied
• 59:35
  me in school. I also love that there's like a
• 59:37
  bit of gay subtext in in their relationship.
• 59:40
  Like, it definitely feels like Stu's got a thing for Billy.
• 59:43
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:44
  I think that's really fab. And I think, I think that gay
• 59:46
  sensibility is what leads to a lot of the subversion, the,
• 59:50
  like, feminist sensibility that comes through.
• 59:54
  But yeah, in terms of his writing, I think it's like you
• 59:56
  say, there. It does just, like, seesaw
• 59:59
  between, like, really can't be funny satire and then, like,
• 1:00:03
  overly wrought dialogue and, like, real emotional beats.
• 1:00:08
  And so you're left being like, wait, am I supposed to care
• 1:00:11
  about Sydney's trauma and her mother's murder?
• 1:00:14
  Or am I supposed to be laughing at Ghostface falling down the
• 1:00:17
  stairs? Totally.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, Yeah. It's like, where do we sit?
• 1:00:21
  Yeah. Am I supposed to find it
• 1:00:23
  traumatic watching Drew Braymore get gutted?
• 1:00:25
  Or am I supposed to be like? Like, yeah, stop at it.
• 1:00:28
  Like where are we meant to be? Yeah, Yeah, it's hard from that
• 1:00:32
  perspective. And I think that actually that
• 1:00:34
  totally stays throughout all of the Scream movies I've watched.
• 1:00:37
  Like I remember even watching Scream 6 when it came out, yeah,
• 1:00:40
  a couple years ago. And people get stabbed like 30
• 1:00:43
  times and survive. And you're like, am I supposed
• 1:00:46
  to care if someone gets stabbed or not?
• 1:00:49
  Does it matter or does it not matter?
• 1:00:51
  Yeah, because this movie cannot decide.
• 1:00:54
  Yeah, and they will. They will come back anyway,
• 1:00:56
  don't they? Like, oh, you know, you thought
• 1:00:58
  I was dead last movie. Oh, no, I'm back again.
• 1:01:00
  Like, yeah, spoiler alert. But Dewey, the police officer,
• 1:01:05
  like, gets like his spine ripped out in the last screen movie,
• 1:01:09
  doesn't he? It's like there's a really.
• 1:01:11
  I don't think I've seen that one.
• 1:01:12
  Oh, OK, I'll spoil it with that. But yeah, I think yeah.
• 1:01:15
  But basically it happens and Gail's like trying to find him
• 1:01:20
  and it's a really like sort of tense, her trying to save him
• 1:01:24
  situation and then he like brutally gets killed.
• 1:01:27
  But like it state it's not like, oh, you see him get stabbed and
• 1:01:30
  then it goes to something else. It's like repeatedly and
• 1:01:33
  something like his spine is ripped out, right.
• 1:01:35
  But I'm sure he'll be back in the next one.
• 1:01:38
  Hey, guys, it's all right. Don't worry.
• 1:01:41
  I'm a police officer. It's fine.
• 1:01:44
  Bit of pressure, but I'm sure it'll be fine.
• 1:01:47
  I'm going to smash it. One thing I liked is all of the
• 1:01:49
  Easter eggs. Like it's just it's quite fun.
• 1:01:53
  I don't know if you caught more than this but just shout out
• 1:01:56
  some few like Wes Craven cameos as himself playing Freddy
• 1:02:02
  Krueger. Yeah, I can see that.
• 1:02:04
  That was really funny. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:02:06
  What kind of? Faggot runs around in a
• 1:02:08
  Christmas sweater. Linda Blair has a cameo as one
• 1:02:12
  of the reporters. All of the references to horror
• 1:02:15
  movies. I love all of the celebrity
• 1:02:17
  references. Like, though, Tori Spelling is
• 1:02:20
  going to play me in this in the movie version, and then Tory's
• 1:02:24
  billing does play her in the sequel.
• 1:02:26
  Like, they talk about Meg Ryan, Sandra Bullock.
• 1:02:28
  They talk about Richard Gere and gerbils.
• 1:02:30
  It's like, I love how pop culture the movie is.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah, it's deliberately designed for that teen market, isn't it?
• 1:02:37
  But I found it really effective. I think I think the ultimate
• 1:02:40
  problem I have with like 90s teenagers AKA this era of film
• 1:02:46
  is because it was all about the grunge.
• 1:02:48
  It was like emo vibes. It was the Dawson's Creek.
• 1:02:52
  Everyone's kind of like psychoanalyzing themselves in a
• 1:02:55
  very dark way and it's just not a very camp time to be alive as
• 1:03:01
  in that in that part of the 90s. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:03:03
  It's like a very serious. Yeah, you're so right.
• 1:03:06
  And and actually, like, looking back, they had no idea how good
• 1:03:09
  they had it. The world hadn't really started
• 1:03:13
  to fall apart yet. There was optimism, I'd say, in
• 1:03:16
  politics. It felt like, you know, progress
• 1:03:18
  was coming for everyone and we hadn't started this disgusting
• 1:03:22
  backwards slide into the collapse of the world.
• 1:03:24
  And. And yet they're all maudlin.
• 1:03:26
  Yeah. Now here, I mean, here we are
• 1:03:28
  making a Camp Classics podcast because we're just desperate for
• 1:03:31
  a bit of joy. I.
• 1:03:31
  Know clinging back to it. I mean, all they've got to worry
• 1:03:34
  about is oh the Y 2 came Millennium bug might get us all
• 1:03:38
  like that's it. Yeah, yeah, you're so right.
• 1:03:43
  Well, what about this movie is camp?
• 1:03:46
  What are the camp moments? I think I've kind of talked
• 1:03:48
  about them going through it. I'd say like, overall this movie
• 1:03:53
  doesn't feel camp. I think it's a good movie that
• 1:03:56
  like isn't particularly campy but there are moments of camp
• 1:04:01
  queer joy like Gale's suit just galed.
• 1:04:04
  Yeah, I think it's, I think a lot of it is like singular items
• 1:04:08
  in this. Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Like, yeah, like a Gale suit does a lot of heavy lifting for
• 1:04:11
  me. Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Drew Barrymore's wig Tatum's death scene I think is quite
• 1:04:16
  camp. I think there's something camp
• 1:04:19
  about telling someone to get over their mother's murder.
• 1:04:22
  Boo you. Whore.
• 1:04:23
  Something about Dewey, the way he eats that ice cream.
• 1:04:26
  Quite camp. Yeah, I mean.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, there is. There was just lots of sprinkles
• 1:04:30
  of camp, isn't it? But like the foundations of this
• 1:04:32
  movie, just like I agree with you, I enjoy this movie.
• 1:04:35
  It's been a huge part of my like teen years into an adult.
• 1:04:39
  But it's not like the sprinkles, isn't it?
• 1:04:42
  So it's more like an ice cream topping.
• 1:04:44
  Yeah, you're so right. I get a lot of queer joy from
• 1:04:48
  like, the feminism of the movie, like the way the women win at
• 1:04:52
  the end. Like I get real like, yeah, fuck
• 1:04:56
  them up. Like it's really satisfying, but
• 1:04:58
  it's it's kind of not that camp. It feels cathartic and like,
• 1:05:02
  vengeful and like deserved, but it's like.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, you're right. There, I can kill him, yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Totally. But I think the interesting
• 1:05:09
  thing is like when this film came out, it was doing lots of
• 1:05:11
  new things, like you said, like the way it was referencing other
• 1:05:13
  films. Loads of like new exciting
• 1:05:16
  things happened with this movie. But I think it's interesting
• 1:05:20
  when you have a film like that that's that's about sort of
• 1:05:23
  setting new trends and doing stuff that then influences other
• 1:05:26
  stuff. It's hard to take it with you
• 1:05:28
  because there have been so many interesting horror films that
• 1:05:32
  are like comedic, more feminist in like the last 10 years that,
• 1:05:37
  you know, have happened because of films like Scream.
• 1:05:39
  But it's hard then to go back and to get the same excitement
• 1:05:42
  that it would have caused in the 90s because there's just, you
• 1:05:45
  know, like you said, like fucking up the killer and really
• 1:05:48
  fucking them up. But it's just like now they
• 1:05:50
  would it's like next level. I'm going to really fucking make
• 1:05:53
  you pay. So it kind of just, yeah, it it,
• 1:05:57
  it did something that was really important and it's like
• 1:05:59
  nostalgic and enjoyable, but it's, it's obviously like lost
• 1:06:03
  its punch because of what it was meant to be doing at the time.
• 1:06:05
  It just doesn't have it for me in the way lots of newer horror
• 1:06:08
  films do. Totally, totally.
• 1:06:10
  And yet like I really enjoyed rewatching it.
• 1:06:12
  I think it's a really like well made movie.
• 1:06:16
  It would be so fun to watch this movie again for the first time
• 1:06:19
  and like not know who the killers were.
• 1:06:20
  For example. Exactly, yeah.
• 1:06:22
  And I think and also not know the rules of these kind of
• 1:06:25
  movies that we're going to play around with who could be the
• 1:06:27
  killer in so many different ways.
• 1:06:29
  So I think that was something that was quite clever.
• 1:06:31
  It really was like a who you'd done it.
• 1:06:33
  And I don't think I can't think of lots of films like that
• 1:06:36
  before the, I mean the horror genre like this so.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah. Like from a plot perspective, it
• 1:06:40
  kind of it makes things not make a lot of sense sometimes.
• 1:06:44
  But the way that they make everyone in this movie feel like
• 1:06:47
  a suspect is really fun because like, there's a moment where
• 1:06:50
  you're like, oh, it could be Tatum because she was late
• 1:06:52
  picking Sydney up, or it's, oh, maybe it's the principal.
• 1:06:54
  It's when they're back at, you know, when she's back at the
• 1:06:56
  house and they're both come to the door and they're like, he's
• 1:06:58
  he's the killer. He's the killer.
• 1:07:00
  And then she's just, oh, for fucks sake.
• 1:07:01
  And she shuts the door on both of them.
• 1:07:03
  Like, all of that is so fun. And again, I think it's like
• 1:07:05
  these films are designed primarily to excite teenagers
• 1:07:09
  and like, you just want to be shouting at the screen.
• 1:07:11
  And I think that's what they're made for, aren't they?
• 1:07:13
  They're just lots of bad decisions, lots of craziness
• 1:07:16
  that you're like, oh, no, it's not that one.
• 1:07:18
  Don't go with there. And then, yeah, what was I going
• 1:07:21
  to say? That it's interesting, though,
• 1:07:22
  because, yes, there's lots of things it ticks, but it's kind
• 1:07:26
  of got lost along its way for me because we talked about Carrie.
• 1:07:30
  And yet when I watched that and I was like, wow, Carrie still
• 1:07:33
  really hits hard. And it's so watchable.
• 1:07:37
  And it's so, like, heartbreaking and scary.
• 1:07:40
  And yeah, you get like a real sense of like, what's the word?
• 1:07:47
  Catharsis. Yeah, you get a catharsis
• 1:07:49
  reaction to. So it's just interesting to me
• 1:07:51
  because I don't think it's necessary when a film was made
• 1:07:53
  that you can do that. But I think like Carrie is an
• 1:07:56
  example of a horror film that can still punch is compared to
• 1:08:00
  this. That's true.
• 1:08:01
  Do you think that's maybe partly because this movie is a satire?
• 1:08:05
  Partly. And so, like, satires tend to,
• 1:08:09
  like, not age as well. Yeah.
• 1:08:11
  I think. Something serious like.
• 1:08:13
  But actually Even so, there are moments of Carrie that like feel
• 1:08:17
  really dated and like you're like, well, this is can't be in
• 1:08:21
  an unintentional way. Like the amount she gets
• 1:08:23
  slapped. Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  For example. You're like, I'm laughing at
• 1:08:27
  this movie. I am not like experiencing this
• 1:08:29
  the way it was intended. Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  But yeah, like this movie, Scream doesn't really have that.
• 1:08:34
  I wasn't. I was rarely laughing at the
• 1:08:37
  movie. As you say, it does feel, it
• 1:08:40
  does feel dated. I think it was really important.
• 1:08:43
  It really did something special. But like there's there's a piece
• 1:08:48
  missing now when watching it in 2025 IA. 100% agree with that,
• 1:08:51
  it is a classic. And it still goes down really
• 1:08:54
  easy. Well, let me segue a bit there
• 1:08:58
  because I I thought it was quite good, but it is a classic.
• 1:09:02
  But is it a camp classic? Well, should we rate this movie?
• 1:09:09
  Yeah, let's rate it. Cute.
• 1:09:11
  So we need to give this movie a score on our campo meter.
• 1:09:14
  One to 10 Merrells for the quality of the movie and one to
• 1:09:18
  10 Lyses for the camp factor. So I'm going to mark this on
• 1:09:23
  Merrill's within the horror genre, So not just like, I'm not
• 1:09:27
  going to say out of all films that have ever been made, if you
• 1:09:30
  know what I mean. I think it's really important
• 1:09:33
  within the horror genre and I think it did a lot of really
• 1:09:36
  exciting things at the time. So I'm going to give it an 8,
• 1:09:39
  right? But then I don't think if I was
• 1:09:41
  thinking of every single film in the world, it would be an 8.
• 1:09:43
  I think it'd be lower down. But I think it's just important
• 1:09:45
  to see where it sits within the horror genre.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, I think that's totally, totally correct.
• 1:09:51
  And I was going to give it an 8 too, so.
• 1:09:54
  Groundbreaking. I think it's like a really
• 1:09:56
  solid, fresh, fresh for the time, exciting landmark movie.
• 1:10:01
  And as I say, it's still it's still really watchable.
• 1:10:04
  So that means it was well done too.
• 1:10:05
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:10:06
  But Liza's how camp is this movie?
• 1:10:12
  It's tricky, isn't it? We've been sort of scraping the
• 1:10:14
  barrel trying to find the camp. There is queer joy to be found
• 1:10:18
  here. It is really satisfying watching
• 1:10:22
  a woman kill a fucking douchebag.
• 1:10:26
  I get queer joy from that. I will enjoy that forever.
• 1:10:30
  The empowerment of women. I don't know how camp.
• 1:10:32
  It is, but it's like a legacy of camp because it's like it has
• 1:10:35
  influenced so much stuff like as we said, you, you know, every
• 1:10:38
  single drag queen of a certain age has, has done this has, you
• 1:10:42
  know, people have bought the screen masks, they've done, you
• 1:10:46
  know, they dressed up as slutty versions of it.
• 1:10:49
  And it has sort of influenced so many more funny, you know, camp
• 1:10:54
  films, like whether it's music videos, all sorts of stuff.
• 1:10:57
  So it is like a legacy of camp to it.
• 1:10:59
  But when you just watch it, dissecting it, Neve Campbell is
• 1:11:03
  not camp. She's not camp.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah, I think she's I'm, I'm going to defend my Canadian
• 1:11:10
  sister and say I think she's great in this movie.
• 1:11:13
  I think she does a really good job.
• 1:11:15
  I care about her characters, like back story.
• 1:11:19
  I care about her surviving. I'm invested in her.
• 1:11:22
  But I agree with you, she's not camp.
• 1:11:25
  See, I don't care about her. I want had to die and I want
• 1:11:28
  Gayle Gayle to carry on the franchise or I want a prequel
• 1:11:32
  and I want to get to know her mom.
• 1:11:33
  That's who I want to get to know.
• 1:11:35
  You'd think that would happen, yeah.
• 1:11:38
  The slutty mom. I mean, yeah, so it's really
• 1:11:42
  hard, but there are camp moments in it.
• 1:11:47
  But as an entire film, I'm going to sit right down the middle and
• 1:11:50
  just give it a five, OK? For me personally.
• 1:11:56
  I think taking into account it's like queer legacy, I think that
• 1:12:00
  makes sense. I was going to go for like a
• 1:12:05
  four, but. Oh, were you?
• 1:12:07
  Yeah, but I feel there's something about that that
• 1:12:11
  doesn't feel right because it's just such an important piece of
• 1:12:15
  media. I'll meet you at A5.
• 1:12:20
  Yeah, OK. Oh, good.
• 1:12:21
  I think this is like the first time we've agreed on both.
• 1:12:24
  Basically, I think what we're saying is if you haven't watched
• 1:12:28
  this movie, like you should absolutely check it out because
• 1:12:31
  it's like a real timepiece. And it's it's there's a lot of
• 1:12:34
  good stuff about it. But if you're looking for like
• 1:12:37
  something to watch with your friends, having a few drinks
• 1:12:40
  around Halloween and you want to have a laugh?
• 1:12:43
  Watch Scream Three Yeah. All of the other films on the
• 1:12:47
  list that we are now not allowed to talk about.
• 1:12:51
  And if you little shits think that we're going to talk about
• 1:12:54
  Spice World the movie when you're not voting for the right
• 1:12:56
  movies, then you've got another thing coming.
• 1:12:59
  That's all I have to say. House of Wax was there for the
• 1:13:03
  Take It. I've not even seen it.
• 1:13:04
  Yeah, I know it's going to be unparalleled levels of camp.
• 1:13:08
  I know it. I can feel it in my bones.
• 1:13:11
  I think urban legend has a lot of possibility too, because it's
• 1:13:14
  basically like a low rent scream with Rebecca Gayhart.
• 1:13:17
  Like I think it's, I think it's got some real potential, so.
• 1:13:22
  Nightmare on Elm Street too. I mean, I basically, and I think
• 1:13:24
  there's millions of films. Yeah, we've, we've gone straight
• 1:13:28
  to the middle. Can we make a promise here and
• 1:13:30
  now? I do not want to for the next 6
• 1:13:33
  months discuss Neve Campbell ever again.
• 1:13:38
  This is her third movie and we still haven't done Liza
• 1:13:40
  Minnelli. I hate her.
• 1:13:43
  That is so fair. That is so fair.
• 1:13:46
  Never. If you're listening, I'm so
• 1:13:48
  sorry. I'm not.
• 1:13:51
  But you know what? Congratulations on being, I
• 1:13:53
  feel. She's a special guest on the
• 1:13:55
  podcast. I'll Be Like, I'll leave that to
• 1:13:58
  you Again, I'm not allowed to speak to any of them.
• 1:14:01
  If we get anyone special, I'm not allowed to talk to them.
• 1:14:04
  I think that's fair enough though.
• 1:14:05
  Six months moratorium on Neve Campbell films.
• 1:14:11
  OK, well there you have it. That is Scream.
• 1:14:13
  I don't think that makes it a camp classic, but it is a
• 1:14:17
  classic. Yeah, there you go.
• 1:14:21
  And I think I'd. We touched on this earlier, but
• 1:14:25
  like I got to say for those listening, the world outside is
• 1:14:29
  a fucking garbage fire. So thank you for giving me an
• 1:14:31
  excuse to just sit and think about something frivolous and
• 1:14:35
  have a chat with my friend about funny things.
• 1:14:37
  It's nice. I know, I know sincerity.
• 1:14:41
  I'm ending this episode on sincerity.
• 1:14:44
  I'm taking a page from Nevada. I wish that I could bake a cake
• 1:14:48
  made out of rainbows and smiles and we'd all eat.
• 1:14:51
  Be happy. We'll be back in two more weeks
• 1:14:55
  with another scary movie. That was good.
• 1:14:58
  Oh, that was good. Well done.
• 1:15:00
  OK, great. Bye bye.
• 1:15:02
  Get away. From her you.
• 1:15:04
  Bitch. Classic.
• 1:15:08
  He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
• 1:15:11
  right before she died. No, I thought you can't
• 1:15:20
  prostitute your target. Love doggy chow?
• 1:15:24
  I used to love doggy chow too.