Latest / Closing Sales in Nigeria - Sales For The Nigerian Business Person: The Sales and Marketing Blueprint / Supercharge Your Sales Team: Sales Enablement Strategies
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- 0:01Hello ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.
- 0:04Sorry you didn't hear from me yesterday because today, sorry,
- 0:06not today. Yesterday turned out to be a
- 0:08very busy day. That was because I had some
- 0:10client commitments that I had to get to and I spent the first
- 0:15half of the day trying to record a pilot for a for a radio show.
- 0:22A pilot, for those of you who are not aware, is the little
- 0:27more or less say little tester or little thing that you have to
- 0:31record to present to the management team of ATV station
- 0:35or the radio station to show that the television idea or that
- 0:40the radio idea. The idea that you have for the
- 0:42show. Just so that people can get a
- 0:44visual representation of what it is.
- 0:46Or an audio representation in this case, since it's a radio
- 0:49show that I was making the pilot for.
- 0:51So that people can see what it is and get a sense of whether it
- 0:54can work before they OK the project and give it the green
- 0:58light. So if that works out, then that
- 1:01means I should be coming to a radio station near some of you
- 1:04soon. Now, since we've only gone past
- 1:07the pilot stage, I'm not going to make mention of the radio
- 1:10station, but just I'm sure you guys can figure out that it's
- 1:15it's going to be a business show.
- 1:17And of course we're going to be talking about how to improve
- 1:19your business from a sales and business development
- 1:21perspective. So if everything works out, your
- 1:24boys should be on the radio pretty soon.
- 1:27And. And yeah, so that's it.
- 1:29So that's what I was doing. And recording the pilot was
- 1:32quite interesting, you know, because I've been podcasting for
- 1:39gosh, OK. I can't remember when I started
- 1:41anyway, but I know it was just before 2020.
- 1:44So should I say 2019, 2019-2020, Definitely before COVID.
- 1:50And we've gotten over 910 episodes over here, but I've
- 1:54gotten used to, you know, just freestyling, keeping it
- 1:57Freewheelie, you know how it is now.
- 2:00And then of course, you know, during live sessions, you know,
- 2:02during training sessions and then during live coaching
- 2:07sessions and things like that. You know, I'm in command of my
- 2:09time and things of that nature. So it was interesting having to
- 2:13work with a new time format, you know, having to make scheduled
- 2:17stops so that you can slot in a an advertisement, you know,
- 2:22things like that. So it was an interesting
- 2:25experience. The timing, yeah, the timing was
- 2:27definitely off. I had to take lots of routine
- 2:30breaks so that we could slot adverts there because I think in
- 2:32a 30 minute period there's supposed to be two adverts and
- 2:39two adverts and then space for intro and space for outro.
- 2:42So it's it's going to be quite an experience.
- 2:45So I'll let you guys know when I'm on the air.
- 2:47But it was real fun. Part of the not related to
- 2:51business anyway, but part of the thing that I enjoyed about the
- 2:53whole process was I had to work with two really young studio
- 2:56engineers and they were absolutely good at their job.
- 3:00And it turns out that, you know how over here on the podcast, I
- 3:05just show up and I record and then I leave.
- 3:08I just do it one take. But then one of the audio
- 3:11engineers forgot to record the second-half of the pilot.
- 3:15That's after we paused for a commercial break and then moving
- 3:19into question and answer audience calling.
- 3:22So yeah, so I had to do a second take.
- 3:27I was kind of odd because, you know, over here, I've been doing
- 3:30everything, all 900 episodes, over 910 episodes.
- 3:34I've done everything. 1 take. So yeah, that was weird having
- 3:37to, you know, like, oh, we're done and you mean you didn't
- 3:41capture that and then starting over again.
- 3:45So that was weird. Yeah.
- 3:46But then we also had to select music and then we're looking for
- 3:50music for the show. I don't do any musical intros or
- 3:53outros. So we had to sort that out.
- 3:55And the station is well, OK, well let's just say it's an NGO
- 4:02and. And it also has some ethical
- 4:04concerns. So we couldn't use music that
- 4:06had swear words or racy lyrics, you know, things like that.
- 4:11So basically Davido songs that have to do with money were
- 4:14pretty much out and I remembered money.
- 4:17Anything by Jay-Z and JDJD is Jermaine Dupri.
- 4:22I don't know if he's still in music, but was an all time
- 4:24producer. He produced Crisscross, he
- 4:27produced The Brat, he did some productions for Janet Jackson
- 4:31and a couple of other people like that.
- 4:32So JD is old, Well, relatively relatively old then, put it that
- 4:37way. So Jay-Z and JD money, anything.
- 4:40So we checked it out. The lyrics are OK.
- 4:42So when you guys hear the pilot, because I'll definitely put it
- 4:46here on the podcast, you're going to hear we want to hear JD
- 4:51and Jay-Z on the track. And then the other radio
- 4:55producer, what he came up with was from Wu Tang Clan.
- 5:00Cream as a cash rules everything around me, Wu Tang Clan.
- 5:04So yeah, that part of the conversation was real cool.
- 5:07Was nice to see that the the spirit of hip hop is still alive
- 5:11and well in excuse me in Niger. And and the reason why I think
- 5:17more people should listen to hip hop, particularly young men, is
- 5:19because all the cool stuff that we listen to nowadays, you know,
- 5:22it's not bad, but I'm a piano into Afro, pop, Afro, whatever.
- 5:28It's basically just, you know, let's get high, let's chill,
- 5:35let's show you, let's party, let's do bigs.
- 5:39And you know, that's OK. Partying, shy, you getting high,
- 5:42relaxing, feeling cool, flexing, all that is good.
- 5:46But I think you should also expose yourself to other kinds
- 5:48of musical influences. And so hip hop with his emphasis
- 5:51on not just partying and booze and babes, but also once in a
- 5:56while talking about money because, you know, Jay-Z, JD,
- 6:00you know, money and the thing. So we'll focus on money,
- 6:05entrepreneurship and sometimes social justice issues.
- 6:09It's just nice to broaden your musical palette.
- 6:11So it's nice to know that young cats nowadays are still
- 6:14listening to everything from Wu Tang Clan to old stuff of Jay-Z
- 6:19and JD. And so it's quite good.
- 6:21So if you're one of these young cats, you know, you're between,
- 6:26you know, 22 to 30 something, you know, broaden your palette.
- 6:29There's a whole lot more out there beyond, you know, I need a
- 6:34bone I show you and I'm a piano and you know, and all that
- 6:38stuff. Anyway, I've gone taking up too
- 6:42much time, 6 minutes just to say I might be on the radio soon.
- 6:45So today I want us to look at sales enablement strategies, you
- 6:49know, ideas around sales enablement.
- 6:51And I've said in the past that sales enablement is just things
- 6:54that you do that help you make your sales team sell better or
- 6:58help you sales sell better. And of course, sales enablement
- 7:02is necessary because if you have a sales team, then whatever it
- 7:06is you can do to make them sell better is going to be better off
- 7:09for you. And then if you're the one who
- 7:11is the main seller, then of course, whatever it is that you
- 7:14can do to make you sell better is going to be better off for
- 7:17you. So whether you're the main
- 7:19person selling in the business or you have four or five people
- 7:21that are selling for you, sales enablement definitely necessary.
- 7:25So let's just quickly look through a couple of practices or
- 7:28tips and tricks, all sales enablement things that we can
- 7:31use to boost our sales. Now, of course, before we start
- 7:35talking about sales enablement, we have to get into this thing
- 7:37of the buyer. We need to understand the buyer.
- 7:40And I keep saying it time and time again on the podcast, and
- 7:42I'm going to state it again because I run into people who
- 7:45don't think this is necessary. But The thing is, if we do not
- 7:48know who are supposed to be chasing, then how are we going
- 7:52to get better at doing the job? Sometimes a bunch of businesses
- 7:56that I start consulting for, the problem is obvious that you guys
- 8:00are trying to chase everybody. But The thing is there is no
- 8:03business, there is no whatever that is for everybody.
- 8:07I pointed out how even those people who sell water are not
- 8:10trying to sell to everybody. The pure water seller is not
- 8:13trying to sell to everybody. That's why she is not in the
- 8:16high brown neighbourhoods. That's the reason why she's at
- 8:18the motor park, because even though it's water and in theory
- 8:21everybody needs water, not everybody is our customer.
- 8:25Then the person who sells what's it called, you know, those big
- 8:31jog ones like Seaway and stuff like that, There's a reason why
- 8:35they're in the shopping mall, but they are not in Wuse Market
- 8:38or in the general market or in Oingo Market or whatever.
- 8:42There's a reason why they are not there because in theory
- 8:45everybody needs water but not everybody is a customer for
- 8:49Seaway and all those jugs of water that now sell for about
- 8:541000 to 1003 a pop. So yes, it's water but not
- 9:00everybody is your customer. And then for these people that
- 9:05May May Rua in Abuja and in Lagos, May Rua, these are young
- 9:10men who go around pushing these small trucks that have gallons
- 9:13of water inside 2525 litre. You know, So like in my own part
- 9:18of Abuja, you don't see Mirua here because water flows fairly
- 9:22constant. And if they take water, the
- 9:25water board takes water. It's maybe like once every three
- 9:29months or, or or something. So Marua is not in this part of
- 9:33town. So even Marua, they're selling
- 9:35water but to everybody, but they're only patrolling certain
- 9:39kinds of neighbourhoods in Abuja or certain kinds of
- 9:41neighbourhoods in Lagos because even though water is for
- 9:44everybody, not everybody needs the Marua kind of water.
- 9:48So you can't say my stuff is for everybody, except if you're the
- 9:53Agusi seller in the market, you really can't say my stuff is for
- 9:58everybody. So you're better off trying to
- 9:59figure out who are we supposed to be chasing.
- 10:02We need to understand that first.
- 10:04This is the beginning of us beginning to sell well because
- 10:06if I know where the people are, like the pure water seller, for
- 10:09instance, the pure water seller, she already knows her market.
- 10:13That's the reason why she goes and she sits directly in front
- 10:15of the gate as the bosses come and drop some people.
- 10:18The person that has been thirsty all through in traffic will say
- 10:21how much? Give me two.
- 10:23Another person that has been shattering traffic all day can
- 10:26come and say is it cold? Give me one, you know.
- 10:29So she knows who her target audience is.
- 10:31Then she goes there. The same thing with merua.
- 10:34Merua knows who his audience is and then he goes there.
- 10:38So it's the same thing for us. If we know who are supposed to
- 10:41be chasing, we will go there, whether it's physically or
- 10:44whether it's online. So how to know The Who your main
- 10:50buyer is different ways, but I just talk about checking your
- 10:55trading history. There's all lots of exercises
- 10:57that you can check out online about developing a buyer persona
- 11:01and stuff like that. And by all means, yes, take
- 11:03advantage of those. But those things are usually
- 11:06very aspirational, you know, like who do you want to chase?
- 11:09Who do you want to chase? Who do you want to chase Now,
- 11:11Aspirational is good, no Ala do that, but then check your
- 11:15trading history because it will tell you who you've actually
- 11:17sold to. So check your WhatsApp, check
- 11:21your DMS, check the invoices that you've sent, what else?
- 11:25Check your emails, check all those things.
- 11:28You will now get a sense of who it is that you've been dealing
- 11:32with. Now when you look at your
- 11:33trading history, you're going to be able to get some
- 11:35commonalities. You'll now be able to see that.
- 11:36Oh, OK. I've been doing 80% of my
- 11:39business with women who are between the ages of social and
- 11:42soul and who live between Abuja and Nasawa or who live in Lagos,
- 11:47between Lagos and Ilori. So that gives you a sense of
- 11:52when you now want to start doing your advertising online or
- 11:56things like that. You now know all the things you
- 11:58need to slot into what are they called again, the targeting
- 12:04criteria or whatever it's called.
- 12:06You now know the targeting criteria to put in your Google
- 12:08and put in your Instagram because you have looked at your
- 12:11trading history. Now, in the old days before
- 12:14there was AI, doing this exercise was rough because you
- 12:17can't imagine writing out all these things and then trying to
- 12:20use your own eye to gauge like, OK, what's the commonality?
- 12:23But with AI now, it helps. All you have to do is just write
- 12:26out. You don't have to put the
- 12:27customer's name, but you know, number one, female, 25, living
- 12:32in Alausa, you know, blah, blah, blah.
- 12:35You just drop it, drop, drop like that.
- 12:37Then you copy and paste everything into GBT and then you
- 12:40put a small preamble saying that these are a list of the
- 12:43customers that I've dealt with in the last in the last 24
- 12:47months. Please go through it and give me
- 12:49commonalities on demographics and possible psychographics and
- 12:52then hit enter. And then 20 seconds later is
- 12:56going to give you something usable to say that OK, it looks
- 12:59like your ideal client is male or female within the age range
- 13:03of this and this, living in this part of town, interested in this
- 13:06and doing this and that kind of job.
- 13:08So take advantage of AI to make these things easy for you.
- 13:18Doesn't make a difference. Yes, definitely it does.
- 13:20Because there's one business that I've been working with and
- 13:22I've seen this thing in the field.
- 13:24I've worked with them and the business thought that their
- 13:27customer base was 5050 as in 50% men, 50% women.
- 13:31And so I have no, no Alan, no problem.
- 13:33But as well going forward, reviewing all these things and
- 13:35fed into charge GBT, it looked like their customer base
- 13:40actually was 80% almost 90% male.
- 13:44I suspected just coming in anyway, but for some reason the
- 13:48marketing people insisted no 50505050.
- 13:51It's not as if they changed their marketing anyway.
- 13:53But The thing is if the way you market 5050, the way you market
- 14:00the product trying to appeal to 50 percent, 50% women is not the
- 14:04same as if you know for a fact that it's 90% men who buy, you
- 14:09know so that should reflect your marketing.
- 14:11That's what I'm saying, even though they didn't change it,
- 14:12but in theory it should. So it helps if you know, you now
- 14:17know how you're going to change your marketing.
- 14:19What kind of colours do you use? What kind of words do you use
- 14:21and things like that. Then when doing sales
- 14:25enablement, it's nice to do things data-driven.
- 14:29The reason why I say data-driven is because no how, no how.
- 14:33We can't remove hunch or instincts when it comes to
- 14:36growing the business. But The thing is, your hunch is
- 14:43in your heart or it's in your head.
- 14:45So your business partner doesn't have access to your head or your
- 14:48heart. You know, only your wife does,
- 14:50only your husband does. And your sales team doesn't have
- 14:54access to your hunches. So you trying to make decisions
- 14:57based on your hunch, people are left in the dark.
- 15:01But then if you're gathering small, small information,
- 15:04putting it out into the open and you guys are deciding together,
- 15:07it's a different thing. Data just means information
- 15:10doesn't have to be anything fancy.
- 15:11So even if all you have is a record of who the sales people
- 15:14spoke to last week, what the sales team said when they went
- 15:18out, how many people bought, how many people did not buy?
- 15:22Even if it's just this small, small information you have like
- 15:25that, that is a very good basis for, for starting off your sales
- 15:31enablement conversations because it gives you a fair idea of who
- 15:35are the people listening to you, who are the people buying from
- 15:37you, What are the things we need to work on?
- 15:39Then you can start doing sales enablement based on that.
- 15:42Then let's see whether you have formal sales enablements for
- 15:47your business or not. You need you and your crew.
- 15:50You guys need to key into one thing that you know, continuous
- 15:54learning, continuous development.
- 15:56So you don't have to be a podcast junkie like me.
- 16:00Find your thing. Some people do blogs, some
- 16:04people do Facebook groups, there's stuff on YouTube, but
- 16:07you have to find something so that you'll be learning every
- 16:11single day. There are some professions that
- 16:13need continual. What's it called?
- 16:16Professional, professional continual education or something
- 16:19like that, I can't remember, but it's something that lawyers and
- 16:22doctors have to do. So I know about it because my
- 16:24first degree was in in law. So as a lawyer, you can say that
- 16:28you graduated in 1968 and because of that you haven't
- 16:31learned anything since then because things are changing.
- 16:35Their new laws, policy changes every day, things like that.
- 16:40So even for somebody who graduated in 1958, first class
- 16:44in law, once in a while you're still supposed to be doing some
- 16:47small, small things, attend MBA, attend conferences, learn some
- 16:51things, go and do one small postgraduate something here, you
- 16:54know, be learning. So it's the same thing with
- 16:56sales as well. We're also supposed to be
- 16:59learning on the job. You can't say that you've been
- 17:01selling for 20 years and then because of that you're done.
- 17:04You know, you need to know what's up because things are
- 17:06changing. AI is out.
- 17:08Does that affect the way we sell?
- 17:09Social media came in. Does that affect the way that we
- 17:11sell? Has culture changed?
- 17:13Are we supposed to be talking to women differently than how we
- 17:16used to talk to women 15 years before?
- 17:19Let's see what else. You know, these are the small,
- 17:21small issues that you run into on the job that you need to know
- 17:25what's up. OK.
- 17:27Like people say Gen. Z now is becoming the largest
- 17:30target, largest customer base because they're now getting old
- 17:35enough. They'll be getting jobs soon,
- 17:37you know, things like that. So these are the people that we
- 17:39need to take without paying attention to.
- 17:41So we need to know those things. Are we supposed to be selling to
- 17:44Gen. Z different from the way we used
- 17:46to sell to our generation or Pop C's generation?
- 17:50So continual learning, we need to be knowing what's up because
- 17:54things are changing. Then what else?
- 17:59OK, collaboration, sales and marketing.
- 18:01You guys need to be collaborating.
- 18:03You can't just leave your sales people to be doing their own
- 18:05thing. Marketing people to be doing
- 18:06their own thing. Routinely get everybody around
- 18:09the table marketing, what are your plans, sales, which part of
- 18:13the plan do you think makes sense?
- 18:14Marketing, if you achieve what it is that you want to achieve
- 18:17and 1,000,000 people see the post, how are we going to make
- 18:19sure out of those 1,000,000 at least some percentage will call
- 18:23the sales people or whatever. We need to sit down and start
- 18:25having these collaborations then.
- 18:31OK. So the whole point of sales
- 18:32enablement is part of it is going to involve streamlining
- 18:35our sales funnel. That's all the online stuff for
- 18:38those of you who do lots of things online and then training
- 18:41people on the sales script or the sales flow or the framework
- 18:44or the process or whatever it is you want to call it.
- 18:47So part of sales enablement is going to involve that.
- 18:50Then sales enablement also has implications for the kind of
- 18:57content that you put out there. So you guys have to be able to
- 19:00develop content that will engage people, that will get people
- 19:05engaged. I put it well, let's just say
- 19:10content marketing strategy. Let's just say content marketing
- 19:13is the content marketing strategy is your your strategy.
- 19:16What is the the scope that you guys are trying to work on that
- 19:20is going to use how you guys use video, how you're going to use
- 19:25text, how you're going to use audio, how you're going to use
- 19:27pictures to make potential customers engage more with your
- 19:32business. So that's just the scope.
- 19:33That's just the 411 on content marketing.
- 19:36So how are we going to take these things video, take
- 19:38picture, whatever it is and get people to engage.
- 19:42Then of course, as you're doing all that content marketing
- 19:45stuff, you have to measure and keep track of stuff, you know,
- 19:49KPIs as our as our quantitatively minded people
- 19:54like to say. So KPRS or OK R, IB OK R is
- 19:58objective key results or something?
- 20:01So, OK, Rs, KPI, same thing, pick whatever, whichever acronym
- 20:06that you prefer. But from the sales angle though,
- 20:09what we should be looking at are things like deal size, how much
- 20:13are people buying, sales cycle length, how long did it take for
- 20:16them to buy, win rate? If I spoke to 10 people, how
- 20:19many people buy bought? Was it 2 out of 10?
- 20:22Was it 8 out of 10? Let's see what else then
- 20:28repurchase, yes. So if I get in one customer, how
- 20:31often do they buy again? Do they buy every single month
- 20:35or do they buy twice a year or whatever?
- 20:38All the information that we have the better then OK, well, 20
- 20:45minutes. Problem is there's plenty to say
- 20:47when it comes to sales enablement, to be honest,
- 20:50there's, there's plenty. OK, well, let me just say one
- 20:53last thing. Mobile optimization, we need to
- 20:56make sure that sales materials, all the things that we're
- 20:57putting up, whether on the website or on the blog or the
- 21:00everywhere, we need to make sure that it is accessible on mobile
- 21:03devices and not just on laptops. And this is something that I
- 21:06still see happening live. This one is not theory.
- 21:11In fact, I saw it last week or maybe two weeks.
- 21:14Client was done with something, put it up.
- 21:16The marketing person that handled it was like, no,
- 21:19everything is good, everything is good, there's no problem.
- 21:21But me, I do all my work from my phone.
- 21:23So because me, I'm looking at it on the phone, I can see like,
- 21:25bro, there's problem, there's this white space here.
- 21:29I don't know what it is, but we need to resolve this thing.
- 21:32So anyway, we got it resolved. But I'm just saying that for you
- 21:35people who are making websites and handling all kinds of stuff,
- 21:39I know that you professionals, you IT people, you marketing
- 21:42people, you coding people. Yeah, I know it's most
- 21:45convenient to do your work from your laptop, especially if you
- 21:48have the, you know, best gear in the world.
- 21:50You know, you have your latest MacBook Pro, Something,
- 21:53something, something or your great, your new Samsung
- 21:56workstation, This, that, that, that, that.
- 21:58I know your fancy gear. But by the time you're done, one
- 22:01of you needs to send it to your phone and they open the thing
- 22:04and you'll be surprised that the thing looks beautiful on the
- 22:08computer, but when you open it on your phone, The thing is
- 22:11looking wonky and it's looking wonky.
- 22:13So mobile optimization guys, need to check that out.
- 22:16So sales, sorry, no sales optimization, sales enablement,
- 22:20very wide field, talking about all kinds of things.
- 22:23These are some of the strategies, tips, tricks that
- 22:28you're going to have to employ in your business once we start
- 22:30looking at the sales enablement. But the overriding concern or
- 22:37the overriding question behind sales enablement is how do we
- 22:40get people to sell better? And I'm sure that with all the
- 22:43things you've spoken about so far, you can see that all these
- 22:45things have implications for how individual sales people are
- 22:49going to sell better or how the business is going to sell better
- 22:52as a whole. So sales enablement really,
- 22:56really vast. Although typically when I have
- 22:58been talking about sales enablement on the podcast, I've
- 23:01usually limited myself to things like the phone and the CRM
- 23:05because this is one thing that cuts across for most of us, no
- 23:08matter what it is that we do. You know, our people need to
- 23:11have usable phones and our people need to have some sort of
- 23:18CRM. The CRM is just that tool that
- 23:20says this is who I'm talking to currently.
- 23:23This is who I need to talk to next.
- 23:25For the people that I'm talking to currently, these are the
- 23:27issues that we have outstanding. These are the meetings that I
- 23:31need to have. Who else?
- 23:34It's just keeping track of all the multiple relationships.
- 23:36This is who I'm talking to. This is what they're supposed to
- 23:39do for me. This is what I'm supposed to do
- 23:41for them. This is the next step to move
- 23:43the deal forward, and this is how soon we're going to collect
- 23:45our money. So you need some tool for that,
- 23:47whether it's Excel sheets, whether it's using calendar, the
- 23:53calendars and the notes and things like that on your phone
- 23:55or whether it's using project management software like Asana
- 24:00or OK, no, Asana is Asana project management.
- 24:05I'm not sure if Asana is project management.
- 24:06It's not something I've used. Well, I've used Evernote, I've
- 24:10used Trello. So you know, there are plenty.
- 24:13But all these project management software, So whether it is you
- 24:17use the phone or use that project management software or
- 24:20use the free stuff like Odo, or you use all the stuff that are
- 24:23now denominated in Naira like Zoho, by the way, you have to
- 24:28use something. So typically on the podcast, I
- 24:31pay attention to those ones because for those of us who go
- 24:34out and talk to people on the streets or who call people every
- 24:37day, you know, this is the easiest, the should I say the
- 24:43easiest, well, the most direct way that we can use to boost our
- 24:48sales productivity, to handle sales enablement.
- 24:51So let me just stop there, I'll keep you guys posted if I ever
- 24:55get on the radio airwaves. Hopefully if I get on the radio,
- 24:58it should be something that should be able to be syndicated.
- 25:01I'll see if it's possible to do that.
- 25:03Even though the radio station is an NGO, I'll see the open to
- 25:07syndication to see how we can be available in more more states of
- 25:12the federation beyond Abuja. So that's it.
- 25:14Thank you very much for your time and attention.
- 25:16As usual, connect with me on WhatsApp, phone number 08064
- 25:21662140 Country code is +234. Then connect with me on
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- 25:35You can confirm the spelling of my name using the link.
- 25:38While you're listening to this episode, my e-mail address is
- 25:41also there, so I'll catch you guys at the next episode.