Latest / The Dr. Psych Mom Show with clinical psychologist Dr. Samantha Rodman Whiten / Midlife Crises: Can They And Should They Be Prevented?
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- 0:05Hi everybody, and welcome to the dr.
- 0:07Psych mom show today we're going to be talking about midlife
- 0:11crises particularly in men as that was a question that I got
- 0:15in my Facebook group which you should join if you like
- 0:18discussing these things. And if you have not subscribed
- 0:23yet, you should definitely subscribe.
- 0:24Yesterday's. Episode was on self care and how
- 0:27that term has really jumped the shark.
- 0:29And it is now actually pretty problematic within the marriages
- 0:33that I see And as much as people are prioritizing self-care over,
- 0:37any care of the relationship or the partner.
- 0:40So that one's pretty interesting if you've ever thought that
- 0:42yourself. So okay, so what do people mean
- 0:46by a midlife crisis, this is fairly common term.
- 0:50It means around the age of 40 years or so people start to
- 0:53recognize they're not going to live forever, they're halfway
- 0:55through their life, those midlife.
- 0:57And that could be a real you know, difficult realization and
- 1:03something. Which Makes you re-evaluate your
- 1:06life and how you have been engaging in various, you know,
- 1:12important Arenas of your life such as relationship, career
- 1:16parenting, Social Life Fitness Health, mental, health,
- 1:20whatever. So you come to the midpoint of
- 1:23your life pretty much statistically Actuarial, e.
- 1:26And you say, is this the way that, I mean to go on what have
- 1:30I done so far? What do I want to do?
- 1:33Have I just been treading water. Water.
- 1:35Whether that's at my job or in my marriage or as a parent,
- 1:39however, and have I really been living with intention, you know,
- 1:43and would I be proud of myself if I were to, you know, go on
- 1:47like this, is this the life that I want?
- 1:50Do I really feel like I'm making an impact on the world?
- 1:53Do I feel like I'm enjoying myself, do I feel like I've
- 1:56dealt with and reckoned with, you know, the problems for my
- 1:59past, Etc. So, this is a real real common
- 2:03time for people to come. And The therapy if that wouldn't
- 2:06be immediately evident which it probably is a lot of people that
- 2:09I get are in midlife, and they are Reckoning with more
- 2:12existential questions of this nature.
- 2:14Rather than coming in solely to treat something like depression
- 2:18or anxiety. Instead they are Reckoning with
- 2:21larger questions, you know, framing their life differently
- 2:24at cetera and these are things that they're be can certainly
- 2:29help with and it's and it's important to recognize that this
- 2:34is This isn't bad like a midlife crisis, isn't bad.
- 2:38It's it's called a crisis, you know, because people feel that
- 2:41it's very urgent to reshape how they view their lives, right?
- 2:45But it's, it doesn't have to be a bad thing, re-examining your
- 2:51life and exploring what makes sense and what's meaningful to
- 2:55you is positive thing and the more that you do this throughout
- 2:58your life, the less likely you are to have some definitive
- 3:02moment of time that you demarcate as a midlife That's
- 3:05right. If you're constantly in a
- 3:06journey of self reflection and self exploration and
- 3:10reimagining, what your life looks like, which many people
- 3:13are particularly more, highly sensitive introspective people
- 3:18tend to do this on a regular basis, so it's not limited to
- 3:21turning 40 or what have you. And also, it's not only turning
- 3:2640. It's anytime that your mortality
- 3:30become Salient. So frequently after a health
- 3:32scare, some people go into the doctor.
- 3:34And they have high blood pressure and they're like, oh my
- 3:36God, I'm so stressed out, why am I so stressed out all the time,
- 3:40I'm doing all this in my career so that I could enjoy my life
- 3:43and mean while suffering from high blood pressure, because I'm
- 3:46so anxious at all times on this hamster wheel.
- 3:49So that's like a common one, as well.
- 3:52Now, the caricature of midlife crisis is that men go out, they
- 3:56buy a Porsche, they get, they cheat on their wives, they leave
- 3:58their wives, whatever. They start going to the gym all
- 4:02the time. Yeah, like you can carry.
- 4:04Get your anything and make fun of anything, you know.
- 4:07But think about it. I mean, at some point, you know
- 4:11anybody thinks what is it all really for?
- 4:15So that's usually what the Porsche is all about, you know,
- 4:18is for men, you know, just like for women it may be whatever a
- 4:23boob job or a beach house or whatever is important to that
- 4:26woman in terms of am I really enjoying my life?
- 4:29What am I working for? Do I get any enjoyment and a lot
- 4:34of guys who have really hitched themselves to to this identity
- 4:40is like a beast of burden. You know, somebody was a
- 4:43Workhorse who just works all the time.
- 4:45Comes home takes care of kids and there's no real intimacy
- 4:49with the partner. There's nothing joyful.
- 4:51There's nothing fun. A lot of guys, chafe at this.
- 4:55Self-conception starting in mid life, they've grown more
- 4:58confident. They've done some reading.
- 4:59They've done some thinking, and they, they don't want this to be
- 5:03all there is in their life. And that's really
- 5:05understandable. Women have similar thoughts.
- 5:08You know, like why is my conception of myself only as a
- 5:12mother only had somebody that gives and gives somebody who
- 5:15sacrifices for my kids and for my job, do I ever get to enjoy
- 5:18myself? So that's a common theme in
- 5:21midlife and that is something to really introspect about, you
- 5:24know, because that's not a bad thing.
- 5:27Midlife crisis makes it seem like the person goes crazy, you
- 5:30know, and they just completely Askew all their obligations.
- 5:34And Possibilities, that's pretty rare.
- 5:36You know, the majority of people really just want a deeper dive
- 5:40into figuring out, what makes them tick and that's a good
- 5:42thing. That can be something that leads
- 5:45to, you know, a motivator in therapy and motivator to
- 5:50re-examine and reimagine your career.
- 5:53It's really like a good time, you know, to, to think.
- 5:57And how can you stop yourself from doing something?
- 5:59Totally irresponsible. Well, the major one in terms of
- 6:03irresponsibility, when Fear their husbands midlife crises
- 6:06particularly is of course leaving the woman for different
- 6:09woman. You know, younger woman is the,
- 6:12you know, prevailing caricature, right?
- 6:16I mean how could you do this while?
- 6:17I mean, what am I going to say? You should know it as I'm saying
- 6:19it. You could get into counseling,
- 6:21you could start to work on your marriage before midlife or when
- 6:25the dissatisfaction starts because so many men and women
- 6:28start to be dissatisfied with their marriages, very openly.
- 6:31Once the children are in elementary school, you know, and
- 6:34It's not that there weren't problems before there certainly
- 6:37were, but things were so hectic. You know, you had little little
- 6:40babies, little kids toddlers. I mean, everything was about the
- 6:44basically, the care and feeding and snapping of these little
- 6:48creatures. And then when they're old enough
- 6:50to have some sort of Independence and they're out of
- 6:52the house, the whole day, people have the space, the mental and
- 6:57emotional, and actual time, and space to, you know, introspect
- 7:02more and to think about the relationship when Or that you
- 7:06were really just in a very routine.
- 7:08Based urgent moment-to-moment sort of childcare situation
- 7:12after that, you know, and of course this time when the kids
- 7:16go into Elementary School frequently, coincides with
- 7:18midlife, that's just kind of the time at which people have
- 7:21children and so when the kids go into school and especially as
- 7:25they get older and older middle school, high school Etc, people
- 7:28kind of see the writing on the wall.
- 7:30You know of course you always knew your kids were going to get
- 7:33older and leave the house but you can't you don't feel it as
- 7:36viscerally as experientially as when they are, literally gone
- 7:39all the time having their own social lives, which starts a lot
- 7:43for a lot of kids in middle school.
- 7:44So at that point they have their own Friday night.
- 7:47Plans, that you are looking at your spouse.
- 7:49Like I don't really want to hang out with you, you know like what
- 7:52kind of relationship do we have? But if earlier than that, people
- 7:57made the space to focus on their marriages, even during the small
- 8:01kids phase. Then of course, That's going to
- 8:05be a preventive measure against later marital problems and
- 8:10Detachment because I see so many people who feel completely
- 8:14detached when the kids are in school, because they really were
- 8:19detached all along, parallel parenting when the kids were
- 8:22little. So if you work on your marriage,
- 8:25when you first start feeling that Detachment and you focus on
- 8:29keeping the couple of priority, the sex life, a priority, the
- 8:33Romantic life of Prayer. Already the emotional connection
- 8:36a priority then that is certainly going to shore up the
- 8:40marriage and render it less susceptible to, you know,
- 8:45midlife divorce. And this is this is just common
- 8:49sensical. But many people like to put not
- 8:52like to but they they put the marriage on the back burner
- 8:55because it doesn't seem as urgent to work on the marriage
- 8:58as it does to work on everything else, you know like with the
- 9:01kids and with their little activities and all of these
- 9:04things. So many people make their whole
- 9:06life about going to the family Festival, the you know, the
- 9:09Pumpkin Festival and the Christmas festival.
- 9:11And then we see Grandma and we see Grandpa and then we go to
- 9:14swim class and then, you know, we have our nap schedule.
- 9:16We read all these little books and every book about parenting
- 9:19in the world, and they basically don't think about their marriage
- 9:22at all from the time that they're pregnant with their
- 9:24first child to the time that the last child is in elementary
- 9:27school, not to be a really long time, you know, I mean,
- 9:30especially you got multiple kids Etc, you could be talking a
- 9:33good, you know, Decade of really not thinking much about the
- 9:37marriage and then yeah. Both people do feel pretty
- 9:41disconnected in midlife and then are, you know, at risk of
- 9:45falling in love with somebody else or just falling in love
- 9:47with the idea of not being married anymore and perhaps
- 9:51finding somebody more compatible.
- 9:54So, so yeah. So one thing to do to prevent
- 9:57this, this aspect of the midlife crisis, the divorce part is is
- 10:02to focus on the marriage earlier.
- 10:04Ron or whenever it occurs to you, if the only time that it
- 10:08really occurs to you that you're unhappy is when the kids go to
- 10:12elementary school while then get into couples counseling.
- 10:14Then don't defer it further. I mean, you've probably already
- 10:18deferred it too much. Now, in terms of the other
- 10:21things like the people that go, you know, get their car, they
- 10:23start working out all the time. Men are very in their very upset
- 10:30by the idea of Aging often more so than women in my practice and
- 10:33I've discussed This a lot biologically in my podcasts
- 10:38about men aging and their biology across the lifespan.
- 10:41And then the companion about women's aging and biology across
- 10:44the lifespan, women have had their bodies change a lot.
- 10:47You know, they, they menstruate, they've been pregnant, they've
- 10:50nursed it. Possibly, they've done.
- 10:52You know, basically over the course of the month, your body
- 10:54is real different. Women experience, more weight
- 10:56gain up and down, like in the winter due to depression, and
- 11:00then they lose it and the spring like their bodies change.
- 11:02A lot men, not so much. They start agent, they could
- 11:06pretty much look the same until they start you know pack it on
- 11:10the way it was like a sedentary job and they just get much less
- 11:14athletic and then you know that penis stops working quite as
- 11:17well. And this stuff happens in
- 11:19midlife and the guy was like kind of loses his mind since his
- 11:23first experience with anything that he can't control and his
- 11:27body, women can control their bodies at all, you know, I mean
- 11:30it's it's pregnancy. It's like totally happening to
- 11:34you. You you can't, you can't
- 11:36outthink the next stage of a pregnancy, you know.
- 11:39You can't out work out, you know, you can't work out and
- 11:42not, you know, be and have the fetus not grow and if you could
- 11:46I would certainly not be a positive.
- 11:48And so women are more used to the idea of your body doing
- 11:53things that you can't control for men.
- 11:55This comes like a big slap in the face around midlife.
- 11:58So that is also a big component of why men get more freaked out
- 12:03and general. Now women have been Crisis to
- 12:05constantly you know but they can be a lot more existentially and
- 12:09psychologically focused versus like like, oh my God, my dick is
- 12:15only going to work for like 10 more years.
- 12:17Holy shit. What am I gonna do?
- 12:18You know? And so this is when men go on
- 12:20testosterone, they start working out all the time they want.
- 12:24I'd fear, like, constantly. I'm in the best shape of my
- 12:26life, the guys, 4550, whatever. I'm sure, you know, they are in
- 12:30good shape to surely not, you know, in better shape than they
- 12:33could have been if they were in good shape.
- 12:34Tape at 18. But you know people like to say
- 12:37this kind of thing men in particular and it is, it's
- 12:41fighting against death, it's fighting against mortality.
- 12:44So it's a common human drive and I've seen it more relevant to
- 12:48men who have never again experienced this sort of body
- 12:52doing things outside of my control and that women have.
- 12:57So, in this regard, sure. Go to the gym.
- 13:00Do whatever you want to do. But don't forget about the fact
- 13:03that your wife Probably wants to spend time with you hopefully
- 13:07and the going to the gym constantly and becoming
- 13:10extremely focused on not aging is likely to not.
- 13:15Be so fun. In your wife's eyes because she
- 13:19is going to perceive it as immature.
- 13:21And to some extent it is definitionally like not
- 13:25accepting aging is not the most healthy perspective because
- 13:30aging is going to happen. No matter what, you know.
- 13:33And so Again, couples counseling and also individual therapy can
- 13:37really help people grapple with aging and the fact that aging
- 13:42and not being in control of your body to the same, extent happens
- 13:46to everybody, and you can pretend that you're pushing it
- 13:50back for a couple of years by, you know, go to the gym and what
- 13:53have you? But in reality people die, you
- 13:57know, like, eventually we all die, and if that's a terrifying,
- 14:01thought then Psychotherapy with them. existential bent, not
- 14:06everything again is addressing direct like immediate issues of
- 14:10massive crises therapy can really help you kind of get used
- 14:14to different ways of thinking and get used to the idea that
- 14:18agent comes for all of us and brecon, with why it's so
- 14:21difficult for you and particular beyond what I just said about
- 14:24males, if you grew up feeling that appearance squander their
- 14:28life or didn't make use of their life, then you are going to be
- 14:31particularly, you know, Affected and triggered.
- 14:35By any idea that you may not be living yours to the fullest or
- 14:39that you may have wasted or squandered, any of yours that
- 14:42just makes sense. Because it's something that
- 14:44you're scared of, because you saw it in your family of origin.
- 14:46So family of origin, were can really help give people a larger
- 14:50and wider perspective on why they're grappling with these
- 14:54existential issues in midlife possibly more than the average
- 14:57person. So that's also something to
- 14:59think about of course, is the psychological piece of why you
- 15:02individually may be struggling with me.
- 15:04I've crisis that's something super important to think about
- 15:07just in terms of you and who you are versus, you know, everybody.
- 15:13So there's a sociological and the greater, you know, component
- 15:18of what does everybody struggle with versus?
- 15:20Why are you particularly struggled with struggling with
- 15:23various? You know, specific triggers and
- 15:28midlife. So for example, a guy that feels
- 15:31like he never had a very good sex life.
- 15:33Well, Well, if he stops getting morning erections, he's going to
- 15:37feel real upset. Because then he's like, holy
- 15:39shit. I never even had a good sex life
- 15:42and now it's coming to an end. Oh my God.
- 15:44And then, of course, that guy would be a greater risk of
- 15:46cheating, you know? Because he but what could he do
- 15:49instead is maybe he could get into the couples counseling and
- 15:52work on the sex life, right? Address it directly.
- 15:55So anyway, there's all these sorts of issues and I could
- 15:57continue to talk about this probably forever but this just
- 16:00gives you a little sense of what men struggle with in midlife and
- 16:03also I touched on what Women struggle with as well.
- 16:05I can get more into that but hopefully this was useful.
- 16:08Please do join my Facebook group where we grapple with these
- 16:11sorts of existential issues and are very funny.
- 16:14My group members wanted me to use that.
- 16:16In the marketing of the group is that everybody's hilarious,
- 16:19which is true, everybody's really fun and funny and
- 16:21supportive and it's a great place.
- 16:23Alright, talk to you soon. Bye, bye.