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The Real Story Behind Not All Business · Not All Business

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Welcome to Not All Business, a podcast by two former CEO's who
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went from competitors to friends.
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I'm Blakely Graham and my Co host is Heather Cooper and we're
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joined by our producer Clay Carnell, who's probably
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wondering why he agreed to be on the mic when he could be safely
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editing our tangents from behind the scenes.
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Today we're getting personal. We're talking about our first
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jobs, the story behind how Heather and I actually met, what
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inspired us to launch this podcast, and our vision for what
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we're trying to create with this podcast Plus.
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What are you? Doing Where are you going?
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I can't see I'm taking over. Plus, you can be on the show.
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Yes. You watching this video right
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now, listening to this podcast. You can be on the show.
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So stay tuned for later in the episode where we tell you the
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details of how you can be on the show.
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Is there anything else to say? That's it, Time to get down to
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business. That was horrible.
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That was a. Little creepy.
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Welcome back, listeners, viewers, everyone out there who
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listens and watches Not All Business.
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Today on the show we have something very exciting, which
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is today's a new format. We're trying something new.
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Normally when you tune in, we have a yeah, I'm starting first
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and foremost. I'm wearing something a little
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different. We'll get to that in just a
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moment. I mean, it's not that different,
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but you know, it's something. A little country.
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It's a little country. It's a little.
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His 90s gear. I'm a Michigan man.
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Yeah, I've cut down a tree before.
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I feel dressed a dear. Never cut down a tree.
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Paul Bunyan. OK first of all, no hate speech
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or slander about Paul Bunyan ever.
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He is a legend. Why would you?
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Think I would do hate speech just because of last week's
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incident? I keep going.
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Clay Keep I. Turned up the knob on accusing
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you of that. I'm sorry.
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Yeah, but back to what I was talking about before Blakely
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rudely interrupted. Today we're doing something a
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little different. Normally when you tune in, we
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have a guest who comes on, we interview them.
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But today we're calling this Casual Friday.
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I, showing up to the podcast, decide to wear something a
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little casual. This is my flannel Michigan
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little wear. What?
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Let's go around the office real quick.
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What has everyone decided to wear for Casual Friday today?
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Well, I decided to show up to the podcast today representing
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the D Detroit Tigers. Yeah, after what you said last
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week about Eminem, I'm just going to wrap the D today.
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Yeah. How did that go for you?
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Blakely on Instagram. You know, I had some push back.
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It was light push back on the insta.
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It was a little more forceful on the YouTube and but that's OK.
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I really appreciated some of the comments we got.
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I got some feedback on maybe what I could listen to and I am,
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I've already listened to three of the six songs this commenter
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gave me. And it's it's good.
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It's a good education. That's good that they use the 5
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1/2 step feedback method, at least I when they gave it to
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you. Tell you there have been some
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funny witty comments but like a little zingy.
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But Fairpoint like to call him whiny and not self-proclaimed
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whiny. And by him we mean Eminem,
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Marshall Mathers, Slim Shady. Yeah, yeah.
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And then some comments were helpful, like educating, like,
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hey, maybe you want to listen to his repertoire with before you
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make judgments. I thought that was a appropriate
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and then some. I'm not even going to respond
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to. Come on.
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Trolls like do better, do better.
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What's what's Eminem's? You know, like Beyoncé has the
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beehive. You know what's Eminem's?
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I think it's Stan, Stan, Stan. That was the suicide that was
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made about him, no? Or did he start the term?
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So. What's that origin?
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I don't know exactly, but I think Stan does originate
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something from Eminem because he writes in his music about AI.
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Don't know if it's fictional or real.
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There's a guy who writes in letters to Eminem and Eminem
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doesn't respond back. And there's like kind of a
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callous, kind of like parasocial, strange
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relationship. But that exists I think only in
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the Eminem universe. We're getting away from what
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everyone's wearing. So Blakely, did you answer what
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you're wearing? Because I don't think you.
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Did. Well, you just got your colors
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done. Is this what they suggested?
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This is on the color palette. I've had my colors done twice by
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two different competing 2 competitors and I came out as
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one in one and one is the other and they're like totally
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opposite. So my mind's sort of like.
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What? How is that complicated?
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Colors. Your face hasn't changed.
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Does your color? Did your hair color change?
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Not science. Well, one does not use our color
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and one does, so that maybe that's it.
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But this one crossed both pallets and it's been pouring
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rain since I woke up this morning.
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So it's my first foray into my fall sweater collection and.
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I kind of like the rain. It's cozy.
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My friend is here from Seattle. She's like, enough with the
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rain. I'm like, yeah, but we never get
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it like this. And it's kind of cozy.
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Reminds me of home a little bit back in back in Detroit.
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I'm from Seattle. Yeah.
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Oh, that's right. You are in Baltimore and all of
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the places. What are you wearing Clay on
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this casual Friday? Well, I'm wearing my little
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Michigan man. You know, Carhartt flannel.
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These are not cheap. They're not.
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They're like $75. Yeah.
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I mean, you don't have to say the price, you can just say they
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cost. Me last time I checked.
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What I'm saying is this is my Carhartt.
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I can get a stain on it. People still respect me, you
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know, it's kind of almost like if it looks too nice.
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What did I say or did I even say this early on on the podcast
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that I saw this meme that said you can't wear Carhartt and know
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what KPI's are? Like.
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It's like incompatible, something like that.
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I see the truth in it, but I have.
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I actually purchased this at the Carhartt store here in Detroit.
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I have cut down a tree. I have feel dressed a dear
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before. Well, I helped my uncle.
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I didn't actually do it myself. I've worked on a farm in
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Colorado in Holyoke, Co. I've worked on a farm before.
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And it wasn't a first job. It's kind of something I did
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over the summer. But that leads me to what we're
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going to talk about today. OK, so on this show, we talk a
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lot about the workplace. But one thing we haven't talked
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about yet is first jobs. So I thought it would be fun for
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us to kick off this episode by talking about, you know,
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answering the question. What was your first job?
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Well, my first job I was a janitor when I was 14.
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Really. Was this like on the books or
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was this like, your parents owned a nail salon and you're
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like sweeping? Up Well, if you want to include
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off the books, I was a babysitter just like every other
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kid, right? So I got, I had a full set of
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families that I babysat for that was off the books.
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This was my very first, like I got a paycheck and a pay stub.
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I thought it was so cool. I had to, I don't know what I
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how do you think I got the money for that?
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Like you didn't have bank accounts in the 80s, did you
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Like when you were 14? I don't know.
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I don't remember that. I think I cashed the.
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Check. I think you walked into a bank
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and like cashed it. I think that's what I did
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anyway. First job I was a janitor for a,
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what do you call it, like a tutoring center, so.
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Really. So they didn't.
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They trusted you to mop up, but not to train the kids not to.
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Well, I was about to say I got a promotion.
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You did? Yeah.
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Let it go. Yes, so well, not a promotion
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because they just added on typical like company like oh,
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there's someone competent, let's just give her more work for the
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same pay so you know. Kept that.
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That started when you were 1414. So I like, empty the trash bins,
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cleaned the bathrooms, and then I sat down with the little kids
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and helped them learn to read. Yeah.
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Wow. But you cleaned and then helped
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the kids. Did you wash your hands first?
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Probably I'm a bit of a German. All right.
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Mine was. There was this place called A&W.
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Is that still a thing? A&W.
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Yeah, I know about A and WI don't know.
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Favorite. Really.
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Float and they would give us the little baby.
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Mugs I was a car hop. I, I went out and I took the
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trays and out to the cars and I, and this is true story, my very
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first car, my very first day was this sweet old man.
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And I kid you not, he looked like the Colonel Sanders, white
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suit, white beard, white Cadillac, white leather
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interior. It was like I, I kind of like,
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is that was that a dream? No, it actually happened.
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So I went up. I was so nervous.
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He was so kind. So I went, got his order, got
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that placed in and he got a large, tall root beer float and
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then fries and a burger or something.
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And so I was so nervous, but I'm like taking your tray and I'm
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kind of shaking and I'm walking very, very carefully.
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I didn't wear the roller skates yet because I was, you know,
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first day like, let's start, let's start with tennis shoes.
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So I'm walking slowly. I get it over to this thing.
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They've got to roll up the window just like about 3 or 4
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inches so that it clamps onto the hooks.
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But you have to place the drink in a certain place on the tray,
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which I would have appreciated some training.
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Did not get it so went up, tilted the tray float falls in
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his lap. He he went like this and he like
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shivered all over his white suit.
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Dark brown root beer and a big fluffy ball of white right on
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the lap right between the legs. The 1st.
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Customers to have in the world. And it was that and I, my eyes
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started welling up with tears and I said I'm so sorry.
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And he's like, it's OK, dear, I'd appreciate some napkins.
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And I was like, OK, Yep, I'll be right back.
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And then I went back in and I was so afraid I was going to get
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fired. I just said, you guys, I'm
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sorry. I got I'm going to need another
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rubber full of this guy. Like totally spilled it on
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himself, just blamed him. I.
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Lied. And I was just like, but yeah.
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And so I went back and I gave them the things and of course,
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I, like, patted them down really.
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Well, just kidding. I just handed them the napkins.
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I just handed them the napkins. And yeah, and then that was it.
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And he still left me $0.50 tip, which was really kind.
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He did not. Have to do that, yeah.
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It was a horrible experience. So I kept that job for, yeah,
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about six months. And then one day I came in and
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they said we're going to need your visor and your apron.
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And I was like. OK, like a gun in your badge
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type? Yeah, but didn't say like you're
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fired or we're letting you go. Nothing like that.
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It was just we're going to need that stuff back.
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And I was like, OK, like it's like, do I get a different one?
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And they're like, no, we'll just, we just need it back.
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I was like, OK. And then they never put me on
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the schedule again and that was it.
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You got. Fired.
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Yes, and ironically, not even for spilling the thing or lying.
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Just just fired with no context. Or no, just fired.
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Yeah. Is that the only time you've
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been fired? I don't think you got fired, I
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think you got iced more. Appropriate term.
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Yeah, they did. Yeah, I was just out.
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Yeah. So that was it.
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And I smelled like root beer and hot dogs all the time.
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It was gross. Yeah, I had a roommate who
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worked at Red Robin and I loved her, but she smelled so bad.
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Yeah. And you can't watch that smell
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out. You can't anybody who works at a
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restaurant, you know? Yeah, it's.
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The grease, the grease, it's so gross.
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And I did that all through high school and college all like
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just, yeah, that was serving. You know what I'm curious about
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these two jobs. And from what I heard, Heather,
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it sounds like you didn't stop there in the food industry,
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right? Like you did more food.
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I have never worked with food, never worked in the food
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industry. And I have always had office
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jobs always. And so I do wonder if there's
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like correlation to our personality types or where you
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end up in your career, 'cause I always just looked at waitresses
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and like, Oh my gosh, that was like the hardest thing ever.
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And just memorizing, juggling, being nice, like doing all that
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stuff. It seems so stressful, but I
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wonder if that's sort of enabled you to be like the kind of
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leader you were where you're just, you have to like be
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attentive such a you are not have to be.
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You are talking to some of your employees.
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You're always like attentive. You're a good listener, but the
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background you're juggling like all their orders.
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Whereas I was a very operational leader per my operations guy
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that you made fun of last week. Which came in handy by the way.
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Thank you for that. Thank you very much.
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It always does. Never felt so stupid.
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So I'm much more like planning, like strategy, like here's the
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order, let's get things done. So I don't know.
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I just wonder if we gravitate. Oh, absolutely.
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I think it absolutely. Well, here's the deal.
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You either gravitate toward that type of chaos and culture as
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workforce or you shy away from it.
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And so there's a piece of it where it'd be like, OK, I've
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entered into this. I hate this.
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Let me go back to, you know, this operational side or you
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like OK, I'm doing OK in this. I can thrive now.
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I will tell you, I cannot stand it when await on a server tries
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to memorize my freaking order. I don't need, I'm not impressed.
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I'm full of anxiety. You're not going to remember the
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stuff I want on the side. You're going to forget it.
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And, and especially when there's like tables of 10 and they would
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do that. I never tried to be that person.
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If there was this like weird hierarchy thing where they'd be
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like, yeah, I memorized the whole thing like with no
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mistakes. I'm like, it's not even worth
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one mistake. I will, I I write it down and
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then that way you definitely get it right and you get a better
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tip. There's other ways to impress
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the table than memorizing the order.
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That drives me nuts. That makes me like you a little
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bit more. Yeah.
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OK. Thank you.
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Should we guess what Clay's job was?
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I still am curious. Oh yeah, go ahead.
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Yeah, let's see if you can get it right.
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I had like, like like I did like 14 year old jobs with her, like
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neighbors and stuff. Like you said, like off the
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books but like my real like first real job.
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Where you got a check? I got a check.
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Chipotle. Good guess, hardware store.
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No. Is it the Carhartt?
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Was that because I look, it looks right on me?
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No, my first job was at the Apple Store.
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That. Was your first job?
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I kind of thought that was a career job you had.
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He almost got an apple tattoo. I talked him out of it, OK?
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It was, I don't have any tattoos.
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So let's just even, let's just start there.
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I still don't have any tattoos. Like a bite taken out of it.
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Yeah, yeah. So, oh, but here's what's really
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interesting. You get to work at the Apple
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Store, I guess. Who has Apple tattoos?
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Everybody else. They do not.
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Yeah, they do. A lot of the people who work
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there are like, this is my company, this is my life.
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And they just totally put it together and I respect it.
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I totally respect it. And they were into working at
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Apple. They loved it.
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Obviously Apple retail is different than Apple corporate.
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I was very impressed with how they ran the show.
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Getting hired there was also a really interesting experience,
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especially because I was pretty young.
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I was, I think, I think I was 20.
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Hold, hold on. How I was 219.
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Have to work until you were 20. This is the world.
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This is the new world, isn't it? It is not the next generation.
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Until they're my kids. What?
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What? Are you done?
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No, I'm I'm I get my kids work. First job at 20.
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OK, so I did already tell you that I I did other jobs off the
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books, OK. OK.
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Mowing lawns, running, I don't know, just like doing random
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stuff. I was heavily involved in the
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church growing up and that was completely volunteer.
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The rule was if you were a musician and you performed, I
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was. That's where I served at the
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church. I was a musician.
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If you were a professional musician who volunteered at the
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church, you got paid if you were, if you did not come into
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volunteering as a professional musician, it was considered no
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pay. But there were some exceptions
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for special events. So I had played like retreats,
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you know, I would play, you know, different events that the
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church withdraw. But I would get paid.
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I feel like that's very hypocritical of the church
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because first of all, being a professional means you get paid
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for it. So if you're good and you're
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talented, they're saying you have to have had someone else
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already pay you before. We will pay you, but we can't be
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the first person to pay you, even though you might be as
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skilled. Yeah, I have no comment on that.
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I think it was their decision how they wanted to go.
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I was showing up OK. I had, I had food at home and my
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parents put gas in my car. So.
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Good food too, and I got. A good cook.
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Interesting. They put, I found my gas money
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and my seat cushions of my car. Sometimes it'd be like $0.35 and
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I would go and I would like fill the tank up and like, oh, oh.
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Just like every little yeah. And then go over and you're
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like, yeah, I've done that too. Wait, you didn't go inside and
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say hey, I want to put $0.35 on on bulk #2?
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So they could set it. You could do it either way.
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Yeah. So I would pump like $0.35 and
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go and pay. I guess you could prepay.
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That's so funny. I don't, I don't, I, I you
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could, I didn't. That would have been smarter.
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It's kind of fun. It's like a rush though, because
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I remember doing that being like, I only have, well, for me
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it was like 1020 bucks. I'd be like, I would I would
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have to get it exactly right. It was a total rush it.
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Was rush. I don't think you'd do that
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anymore. You can't even pay cash.
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I don't have to go to the gas station anymore because I have
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100% electronic vehicle and it makes me so happy.
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Oh, I thought you were going to say because you got married, my
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husband. Comes to gas for me, Yeah,
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Although I do miss the smell of gasoline on my hands because I
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like the way it smells. Oh my gosh, I do too.
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And I don't, I, I'm admitting this publicly now, so it's kind
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of weird, but like, I actually, I like the smell.
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Let's go around. I like the smell of gasoline and
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I like the smell of cigarettes. I love the smell of cigarettes.
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I love it not in hair. I think that's disgusting, but
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like, if someone is walking in front of me and I can kind of
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smell a Camel Light, it's just like, Oh my gosh, why can't
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these be healthy? OK, so that was fun.
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Talking about first jobs. We've got janitorial staff if we
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ever need someone to. Could you clean your microphone?
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Actually, Heather, don't spill anything, please.
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And it looks like everything is going well here tech wise.
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I think we're all using Apple products at this point.
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Good tying. OK, so we've had some fun.
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I want to get to the main topic, what we're going to talk about
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today, which is your story and this podcast and where is it all
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going? Everyone tunes in at the
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beginning of the show each week and they hear this podcast is by
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two rivals who became friends. But there's a story behind that
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and it's unfolding right now on the show.
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So I'd love to hear from the two of you a little bit about that
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story. How did you meet?
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What was it like? You know, obviously the two of
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you were competing. And still do.
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But I'd love to hear how that story kind of unfolded and where
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are we going with the show and how can people be part of that.
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Do you want to start from when the two of you first heard about
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the other, how you heard about the other, and maybe what the
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situation was even before you were on track to meet?
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Well, I've never heard of Heather.
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Oh, what the Oh, OK, it's probably true.
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I've. Heard of your company?
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All right, so the. Setup.
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So the setup is the 2 of you have companies that are have a
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competing service or competing product.
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Let's start. From there.
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All right, Heather, do. You want me to go okay?
22:05
Yeah, so you actually brought us together.
22:06
So this is your. Story Because I was brave.
22:09
That's what happened. So you're absolutely right about
22:11
that. Kudos.
22:12
Thank you. I appreciate that.
22:15
So I'm glad we're finally talking about this because I do
22:18
get questions all the time from people.
22:20
Like we kind of just jumped in on the podcast and they're
22:22
putting pieces together. So like we just do an episode
22:25
where we can understand who you guys are, how you were
22:27
competing, things like that. So thank you for asking the
22:30
question, Clay. I was CEO of Cloud Coach, which
22:33
is a project management solution on Salesforce, blah, blah, blah.
22:37
Blakely was also CEO of a company called Taskray Project
22:41
Management on Salesforce. Not as big of a company, not as
22:45
successful as a company, but nonetheless still a competitor.
22:48
I'm just kidding. We could Fact Check this.
22:52
I have a real issue with that. Yeah.
22:54
So, no, but it was like we were in, in, we were in the same
22:57
deals, not 100% of them, but we were in, we were in a.
23:00
Ton of the same deals? Absolutely.
23:03
When you say ton of the same deals meaning you're competing
23:05
for the same. For the for the business, yeah,
23:09
so. Here's why Cloud Coach is better
23:11
than Taskray and then Taskray. Here's why Taskray is better
23:13
than Cloud Coach. And so did you have?
23:15
One of those web pages that compared us.
23:18
Yeah, we did. Like you know what I mean?
23:21
Yeah, yeah. No, we did.
23:22
We we, it was like, yeah, we did.
23:24
We dedicated a whole site to why we were better.
23:26
I kind of. Remember you having one?
23:28
We did. And also I definitely signed up
23:32
under a different name and got like regular marketing emails
23:36
and yeah, to like pretend I was a user.
23:39
Yeah, so. OK, Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on.
23:42
What was the name that you used? The alias.
23:45
My gosh, that's a good question. I don't remember it.
23:49
I totally remember because I have no ability to store things
23:55
in my head so I have to use my real name.
23:57
But I used my middle name and my maiden name so it was like
24:00
obvious. If anyone really thought about
24:02
it, you could like right back but.
24:05
And then, you know, so Long story short, I mean, Blakely, it
24:08
was known in the Salesforce ecosystem, she started there as
24:12
one of their first employees or you were kind of a legend at
24:16
Salesforce. Yeah, not employees, but
24:19
customers and. Customers, partners, yeah, she
24:22
loves to bring it up and put it in all of our faces all the
24:24
time. But anyway, it was it's actually
24:27
true. So I was a little intimidated to
24:30
say the least. But mutual friend said you have
24:32
not met Blakely because we both had sold the companies kind of
24:36
doing our next thing and so we weren't competing in business
24:40
anymore, but obviously still knew of each other.
24:42
So she suggested we go meet for lunch and I was a little
24:45
nervous, but I was like, you know what, I'm going to do it
24:46
because we were in the same town half an hour away from each
24:50
other, Colorado. So when you.
24:52
Say sorry to interrupt. When you say a little nervous, I
24:56
mean hindsight 2020, it's like there's not really much to be
25:01
nervous about because you obviously connected.
25:03
But let's slow down and go into that for a second.
25:06
What was it like to have Blakely's name brought up and
25:08
then say you will meet this person?
25:11
So, yeah, so Stephanie said, do you know, well, she's like, you
25:16
know, Blakely. And I was like, Graham.
25:19
And she goes, yeah. And I'm like, well, yeah, I know
25:21
of her. We've been competing for 10
25:23
years. She was Blakely, by the way.
25:26
Right. Yeah.
25:26
Are there other Blakelys? Have you ever?
25:28
No, Yeah, only in Savannah, GA Anyway, keep going.
25:32
That's. Oddly, and then the worst part
25:34
was when I would talk about you, I kept saying Blake Lively,
25:36
Blakely, Blakely, it would just like couldn't get it right.
25:41
You're welcome. So she said.
25:44
I think you guys would be fantastic friends.
25:47
I was like, shut up. She's like, you should and you
25:49
guys should meet. She was I'm going to set up an
25:51
intro and I think you should meet.
25:53
I was like, you know what, why not?
25:55
Let's do it. So she did, but I was nervous
25:59
because it's like, what were we going to talk about?
26:02
I told my colleagues that we're all still at cloud coach that we
26:05
were doing in this and they're like, what?
26:07
Why would you go meet with the ex CEO of Taskray?
26:10
How I felt I actually had like a little guilt like, yeah, I
26:14
really didn't like you guys, right?
26:18
You really made my life hard in many, many ways.
26:21
So like what's the purpose? I you know, I exited the
26:25
company, I'm out of the ecosystem, right?
26:28
Like why do I need to get dragged back in to meet my
26:30
competitor? I just it was an odd thing, but
26:34
that you. Accepted the invitation, so why?
26:37
Well, I think very highly of the women who introduced us very
26:41
highly. And so I trust her and I'm like,
26:45
OK, whatever. And I had no idea you lived like
26:49
right near me. Like what are the odds of like a
26:53
San Francisco backed our based business essentially like we
26:57
were both in Colorado? Yeah, cool.
27:00
So I was a little nervous, but I did it and we made a date, did
27:04
the. Two of you then text each other
27:06
or reach out call each other to actually connect.
27:09
Or we didn't. Have each other's number.
27:11
It was e-mail, yeah. That was like second date kind
27:13
of stuff. Yeah, it was like, we'll meet at
27:15
this place and this time in Boulder for lunch.
27:18
Just. Hope you show up.
27:19
Chili's. Applebee's.
27:21
You know, it was some Outback, a little Bistro in Boulder.
27:24
It was like a little campus. Joint, Yeah.
27:27
Did you, did you look at, do you go on to LinkedIn and like look
27:31
at the pictures? So when you walk into the
27:34
restaurant and you're like, oh, I think it could be that person.
27:36
Do you always do that? No what I should have.
27:40
No. Like when you're networking, do
27:42
you not like go look them up? And so you don't just stand
27:45
there like? Oh, is it that person?
27:47
No, I kind of I kind of do. I feel really stalker vibe to go
27:53
like stalk their LinkedIn before.
27:55
Is that what you did? Did you go on my LinkedIn to see
27:58
what I look like? I think so, because I knew the
28:01
second I walked into the restaurant like, Oh yeah, there
28:04
she is, like right there. Well, I got there early and I
28:07
was like, oh, I should go check my teeth because I had just left
28:10
a breakfast earlier. And then, yeah, then I walked
28:14
back out and you were sitting there and I was like, that must
28:17
be her. I don't know how I knew it was
28:18
you, 'cause I guess I never really did know what you looked
28:21
like. Yeah, you were sitting outside.
28:22
You were wearing a cute little. Yeah, you came in.
28:24
That's right. And I was came, yeah.
28:26
What was I wearing? Did you remember what I was
28:29
wearing? What was I?
28:30
Wearing it was like AI, don't remember exactly, but it was
28:32
like a cute little sweater, like a like a cozy little something.
28:35
It was like a Blakely, Blakely vibe.
28:37
Yeah. And I think we hugged.
28:40
We did. I don't think we did like a
28:42
handshake. I think it was like a hug, which
28:44
is weird. I don't know why fake.
28:46
Hug. Real hug.
28:47
No, it was kind of a real. I mean, it wasn't a lingering
28:50
hug. It would have been a little
28:51
weird. The hug was oddly long, but.
28:55
We both it was weird and you enjoyed it touched my butt a
28:58
little bit. I was like, this is not what I
29:00
was thinking. I digress.
29:02
I'm sorry. OK yeah, so hugged, sat down 3
29:06
hours later had laughed, cried, shared.
29:11
All the Things 3. Hours, 3 hours.
29:14
And we weren't done. Like there was so much to talk
29:17
about just from our careers and our perspectives and, and I
29:21
remember leaving and being like, whoa, like that was really
29:25
unexpected. And I got probably as far as my
29:28
car and Heather had sent me a text already because we shared
29:32
our phone numbers at that point. And she's like, I think we
29:34
should do a podcast together. Like, who wouldn't love to be a
29:37
family on the wall of that conversation?
29:39
And I'm like Nope, no thanks, not interested.
29:45
But you said you're not interested in doing a podcast.
29:49
I mean, I don't know if I responded that, but that was a
29:53
like a feeling I had to be in the public eye.
29:57
It doesn't seem like a a fun thing to me.
30:00
I, I know I'm here, but the story carried on.
30:04
We probably went, what, another week Heather, We were just kind
30:07
of chit chatting. Yeah, I think what happened was
30:10
during that initial conversation, we uncovered so
30:14
much loneliness and very similar things.
30:18
Where had we known? And we thought, you know, what
30:21
if our daughters knew these this stuff as they're heading into
30:25
their career, What if there was a space where people could just
30:29
ask questions that they're otherwise too embarrassed to say
30:32
or they think they should know by now or they don't want to
30:34
look bad in front of their boss? Where is this real talk coming
30:38
from? Because we just had had three
30:39
hours of it where it was mixed. It was business stuff, it was
30:43
personal stuff. It was all of that because there
30:45
was just someone on the other side who had been through it and
30:48
was willing to listen. And so that was really where
30:51
that was born because neither one of us had had that outlet in
30:53
our lives. No, I mean even what if Heather
30:57
and I had actually met while we were competitors and had become
31:00
friends? Think about how we actually
31:02
could have. Yeah, complemented each other
31:04
and helped each other. Yep.
31:06
And grown both of the businesses like mind blowing like that.
31:09
That would have been such a great strategy for for both of
31:12
our companies. We actually served overlap but
31:15
very different profiles and so. And there would be times where
31:18
we would pass the deal over to you guys.
31:20
You know, this is actually a better fit.
31:21
But if we had gotten together sooner.
31:23
Yeah, this is a problem. You guys should call Taskray.
31:28
Yeah. So.
31:30
But there, there was a huge missed opportunity there.
31:34
We had looked at you like, oh, she's so in with Salesforce.
31:36
She's probably getting a special rate.
31:38
And I did, you know, you did. I knew it, fucking knew it.
31:42
How much like really a good discount.
31:45
See, you have to if you're on the Salesforce platform, you
31:47
have to give a percentage to back to Salesforce for the
31:50
thing. And I knew it.
31:51
I knew you got a better rate than.
31:53
We, you know what, Heather? I'll end that little story.
31:56
And in that it eventually made more sense to pay them like out
32:00
of money. Like we really had a great deal,
32:04
but you pay to play and when we really started getting attention
32:08
is when we actually started sharing money, OK, sharing,
32:12
that's not good when we like wrote the tax check.
32:15
Yeah. So.
32:17
Yeah. OK.
32:18
Well, I'm sure you enjoyed about five years of free marketing,
32:20
but that extra money you saved. Yeah, well, so it was anyway.
32:26
Bottom line is we we missed out on an opportunity by not looking
32:30
each other as hey, here's another female leader in tech.
32:33
What if we teamed up with each other and actually saw where the
32:36
crossover was or where the cross sell or how could we have done
32:39
that instead of just putting one against each other?
32:42
And so we're like, if we can help somebody else do that and
32:45
learn and explore those ideas, let's do it.
32:47
Actually, what sealed the deal, and I won't get into the details
32:51
of it all, is that Heather was like texting me.
32:54
This is, I think a week later you're texting me and you're
32:57
like, do you mind if I share, Heather?
33:00
Oh, no, that's fine. Yeah.
33:02
OK, good. She's like Google.
33:04
She goes, I'm sitting here. I don't know.
33:08
I'm at. I'm getting my pap smear today,
33:10
no. Okay, I was on my way.
33:12
I wasn't sitting there. I'm like, my legs are spread.
33:15
They're like, keep telling me to inch down a little bit more, a
33:17
little bit more. And you're texting during.
33:19
This. No, I'm saying I'm not.
33:20
I wasn't texting during the pap smear.
33:24
I was on my way. But she's like, I really think
33:27
we should do this podcast. Like I really think we should,
33:30
you know, use our voices to kind of lift up the next generation.
33:33
And she, she gave me a hard sell.
33:35
But you know what sold it for me is like where she was because I
33:38
was receiving this text from like, as I was getting ready for
33:43
a male career album, I was like, what?
33:47
I swear, Heather just felt like a, like a doppelganger, just,
33:52
you know, live in Colorado, same age, similar kit, like kids,
33:59
both CEOs. Yeah, but boy, girl, same, you
34:02
know, all that. Like what?
34:05
What else more? I mean, it was just a sign.
34:08
Like I felt like that really sealed the deal for me.
34:12
So it's. Like that's it because those
34:13
tests are only once a year, every couple years, Clay.
34:15
So it is pretty interesting that that happened on the same day.
34:18
Yeah. Yeah.
34:20
You have a wife, you're going to be supportive to her for that.
34:22
I know about this stuff. This is the thing that I this
34:26
comes up with almost every guest, listeners and viewers
34:29
before we start the show. This comes up I've just come up
34:32
like 3 or 4 times already and we're on episode 5.
34:35
So it's like basically every episode.
34:36
I know about this stuff. I know what.
34:39
A. Yeah, I know about girl stuff.
34:41
I grew up with three sisters. I obviously you just find out
34:47
about stuff. You go out into the world, you
34:49
start talking with people, they tell you stuff.
34:52
Everyone's talking about pap smears all the time.
34:55
You. Just you go on the Internet, you
34:57
just learn stuff. Oh oh, I hope my kids don't do
35:01
that. Oh my gosh, they are doing it.
35:03
I'm sorry. Is this a revelation?
35:05
I'm sorry to deliver you this news.
35:07
The Internet is teaching children tons of stuff.
35:11
Anyway, I digress. We can talk about that in
35:13
another episode. This really brings up an
35:16
interesting point, Heather, where you you said you, you kind
35:19
of texted Blakely about wanting to start the show and creating a
35:22
new kind of space for lifting up the next generation.
35:26
What role does this podcast play in that desire to create a new
35:32
space? Is the podcast the new space?
35:35
Well, I think it takes two women who have had some degree of
35:39
success who are not in a position anymore to be
35:46
influenced by the ramifications of speaking out and being honest
35:51
and having honest conversations. So I think that's tough, and I
35:55
think it's tough for for our guests, too.
35:58
I mean, we are really trying to create a space where we're just
36:01
going to say exactly what happened and we're going to talk
36:04
about some really hard moments. We call them sticky situations
36:07
in a very real way, instead of the polished, what do we call
36:15
it? Like, you have to drop your ego
36:17
at the door with this show, as Blakely learned last week,
36:22
because she's getting terrorized by Eminem fans all over the
36:26
world. But you really do.
36:28
Because if I am going to sanitize everything I say
36:32
because I'm worried about what my next employer would think or
36:36
kind of what's out there, I'm going to be trapped.
36:39
I'm going to be handcuffed to be able to share.
36:41
And that's women have it really tough.
36:45
There is a very low tolerance for these types of mistakes by
36:50
women in business of speaking their mind or complaining or
36:56
that being difficult. That is completely unfair in the
37:01
corporate world and probably everywhere, but that makes women
37:06
afraid to stand up and put themselves out there and say it.
37:09
So I think to have a partner in Blakely where we're going to
37:14
just do this and you know what we don't, we don't have a ton to
37:18
lose at this point and we have a lot to offer because we don't,
37:22
if we give up what people think, I guess I've, I've kind of given
37:25
up now what people think. Yeah, I mean, I think some of it
37:30
is shared in terms of like shared across everyone in
37:35
corporate world, men, women, anyone it's and like just the
37:40
the shared part for me is, is like the extreme loneliness of
37:43
being ACEO, the stream loneliness of being a leader.
37:48
And so there's kind of that high level is a very, it's a hard
37:55
thing, right, to carry and not have a community around it.
37:59
But then there's this other piece where on like the the
38:03
female side, I feel like sometimes there's a code in
38:06
business that I don't have access to.
38:08
And there were situations and we can call them sticky situations.
38:12
And to me, like the stickiest are like when you know someone's
38:16
propositioning you at the booth at the conference, right?
38:20
Like those, those kind of sticky situations.
38:23
But there were also situations I found myself in where I had to
38:27
talk to investors and I had never talked to investors
38:30
before. I didn't know how to talk to
38:32
investors. And anyone who has talked to
38:34
investors knows your first call is always with these junior
38:39
analysts and they are always two men side by side.
38:44
They have these Patagonia vests on with their blue collar shirts
38:49
underneath it and. They're.
38:51
I know. Those 20.
38:53
Yeah, I know. Those 22 years old.
38:56
And same questions their. Whole job is to intimidate you
39:01
and kind of put you in like this.
39:04
Not in the power position, right?
39:06
And they'll say stuff like we've got all this dry powder and I'm
39:10
like. What the fuck?
39:12
You're like I'm not doing cocaine.
39:14
It's 3:00 in the afternoon. D slope.
39:17
Or yeah, is it coke? Like I had no clue what that
39:20
term meant. I had no one to ask.
39:24
Do you know what I mean? I had no, I had no.
39:27
I had no one to ask. Or I felt comfortable asking
39:30
because to ask as the CEOA female who didn't speak the bro
39:35
code, it would just be admitting something, right?
39:38
It'd be admitting I didn't know, I wasn't educated, I didn't have
39:41
an experience, and it was just embarrassing.
39:43
And so for me, I feel like it's applicable to anyone in terms of
39:50
like that loneliness and having a community.
39:52
But for people that are scared to ask some of those questions,
39:55
it's just hoping that a listener feels seen and be like, Oh my
39:59
gosh, that totally happened to me.
40:01
I'm not stupid. I'm not.
40:03
I just don't know and I don't know who to ask.
40:06
And so. That's why we don't allow any
40:07
acronyms on the show. Yes, that's right.
40:10
We're always. Yeah, because we need to make
40:11
sure that everybody we're on the same page and we're tracking.
40:13
I mean, we've all been in those conversations where I, I feel
40:16
like I'm in control of it and then all of a sudden it goes a
40:18
little bit different way. I've missed a couple gaps.
40:21
I'm not in a situation to like Google on the side to catch up.
40:23
And so you're just nodding ahead and acting and then they turn it
40:26
around and you to ask a question.
40:28
And then it's like, what am I doing in that moment?
40:30
Am I saying, you know, actually, can you please restate that?
40:33
I, I'd love to hear it from this perspective.
40:36
That's the best thing to do. Or do I kind of fudge my way
40:42
through it and try to make it sound and then they can see
40:44
through it in an instant. Like those types of moments are
40:47
what I'm talking about when I say men get away with that 95%
40:53
of the time and women about 50. Because when a woman starts
40:57
standing up and she starts making sense and she's
41:01
delivering a point, she's delivering a plan A 306090, and
41:06
it's really tracking. You can see the faces in the
41:09
room kind of light up and it's more an inquisitive look like
41:12
who is she again? This is actually making sense.
41:14
Like where? OK, where did she study the
41:17
Google? Like, why?
41:18
Why does this sound smart versus a man up there doing the same
41:23
exact presentation? People are just nodding along.
41:25
They're just tracking. They're like, Yep, OK, makes
41:27
sense. Yeah.
41:27
This guy's great, isn't he? Like, it's it's really good.
41:29
We have to go through this intangible, unspoken hurdle of
41:36
like earning the respect from the get go.
41:40
And I don't know when that ends. I don't know at what level we
41:43
just start to get that same level of of trust and respect,
41:46
but I would guess it's it's it's quite high I.
41:50
Don't know, I remember. But it pisses me off that that
41:53
pisses me off. You should I had a male and this
41:57
probably it was a true for you too, Heather, because you were
41:59
in a similar situation. You had a male Co founder of
42:03
your company. I had a male Co founder my my
42:06
business partner who I adore and this was not on him right.
42:11
Like we would show up at the same events and everyone would
42:16
be talking to him like it just couldn't turn their head to me.
42:19
Or I remember one time I went up to booth saw like an old friend
42:23
and and he said something about, you know, Eric as you know, your
42:29
CEO. And I'm like, wait, what are you
42:30
talking about? Like I'm the CEO.
42:33
It's just the assumption is always there and I it's
42:38
infuriating. It's infuriating not to be
42:41
looked at, to be placate or the worst is to be looked at because
42:48
they know they like they know, like they want to be sensitive.
42:52
So they're looking right at me going, OK, she's a female, I'm
42:54
going to look at her. But when it's time to ask a
42:56
question? Yes, yes, yes.
42:59
That happened to me. That happened to me post
43:02
acquisition and we had to go overseas and we were meeting
43:04
with all these different portfolio companies and I had a
43:07
colleague with me who was an executive high up in the company
43:10
and we'd sit down at the table. Nice, you know, nice trees, all
43:14
the tea, coffee, whatever. We sit down once we're actually
43:17
getting through things. They asked some questions and
43:20
then always eye contact with the male colleague.
43:23
And then the male colleague was kept deferring.
43:27
I mean, he'd stay in his lane for the things that he knew.
43:30
And then other things he'd be like, well, actually Heather as
43:31
CEO would be a better person to ask that.
43:33
And so then they would look at me and then listen and then go
43:38
right back to him for the rest of the conversation.
43:40
It was, it was like they were incapable of just continuing the
43:43
conversation and almost like they weren't fully believing it.
43:47
And so, and I will tell you, these gentlemen were lovely.
43:51
It, I mean, it, it wasn't like they were just huge assholes.
43:54
It, it's the conditioning. It's, it was almost a it, it
43:58
wasn't intentional. It was just what they were
44:01
accustomed to. And it was the way they did
44:04
business. And that's overseas, that's
44:06
here. And America, I mean it's
44:07
everywhere, but there is a substantive conditioning that we
44:10
have male and female and all of everything in between is growing
44:15
up about what business looks like and what business
44:18
leadership looks like and what hierarchy looks like.
44:21
And until there is like true representation at the levels
44:25
across PE firms which ultimately hold the power because every
44:29
business ultimately wants to get a huge investment or bought or
44:31
go public. I don't.
44:33
Which is all tied. Yeah, well, good, because you
44:35
didn't. Bootstrap all the way.
44:37
Sustainable. Profitable.
44:39
I agree bootstrapping. Is.
44:41
So good. That's a whole nother episode.
44:43
What? Does bootstrapping mean?
44:46
You do not take on any investment.
44:48
So we were profitable from basically day one and we only
44:52
grew as much as we could in the bank, right?
44:55
It's like a balanced budget. Which she got to do because she
44:58
got free stuff from Salesforce. But.
45:01
I. Don't deny well you you earned
45:05
it from your relationships. It's it is hard to do though.
45:08
Bootstrap not not like dirty. Relationships.
45:12
The name of the game. Oh, OK, well then you're.
45:17
Still getting to know each other?
45:18
See, you're getting to know each other on the show in real time.
45:23
That's the magic. It is part of my frustration.
45:27
I do. You can tell based on my
45:28
reaction I get, I get a little riled up when we talk about what
45:32
happened to you at these conferences, what happened to me
45:34
in these meetings. And I want to be clear that I'm
45:38
not, I'm not trying to come from like a oh, male, female
45:42
situation. This is just the reality of what
45:46
I have faced, what you have faced and what we know hundreds
45:50
of other women are facing. And I'm sure that there are some
45:54
men facing it for other, you know, in other similar
45:57
situations. But no one feels free to talk
46:00
about it because we all have to act like we've got it together
46:02
on the outside, that we can play ball, that I can be one of the
46:06
boys or whatever's required me in a situation so that I do not
46:09
lose clout. And so here at this podcast, I
46:13
can lose clout. It's OK.
46:16
I don't have to hold it together.
46:17
I have a face that is just some days I have make up, some days I
46:22
wash my hair, some days I don't. I just show up how I am that day
46:26
and it's real. And so that's what I want to
46:29
hear from listeners. And Blakely, you, you just were
46:33
talking about a great idea of, you know, encouraging questions
46:37
to come through. Tell me more what you're
46:39
thinking. I mean, we have lined up an
46:43
incredible guest list like I for for a brand new podcast.
46:46
I cannot believe the caliber and experience of women that have
46:52
come on and are about to come on and with very specific
46:57
expertise. By the way, we do need to have a
46:59
man guest to next season. That's why I think you know how.
47:03
You get, you know how you get men to come onto your podcast is
47:06
by calling them a man guest. That's how you get.
47:12
That oh who's? Going to be our first man guest,
47:14
someone say. Man guest, Yeah, also.
47:17
There's oh, sorry, go. Ahead, go ahead.
47:19
Well, I want to just make sure though, like I, I have loved
47:24
these conversations. We're going to have more of
47:26
these conversations, but I just want to make sure we are
47:29
addressing those very real sticky situations that cross
47:32
female and men. And sometimes those situations
47:36
are different for female men. Like I think about like the very
47:39
first time I had to fire someone, I was firing someone
47:44
from a very nurturing perspective.
47:47
And so I just wanted to mother them.
47:49
And it is, it was actually all the wrong thing to do.
47:52
That's not how I I can have humanity, but I should not be
47:56
mothering someone I'm firing, right?
48:00
I'm sure the first time a man has to fire someone, they go
48:04
through some similar amount of anxiety.
48:06
It's just a very different perspective.
48:08
So I guess my the idea or the thought that I was having is
48:11
like, hey, we're going to have these guests.
48:13
They're going to have great experiences and great stories
48:15
and we're going to learn so much.
48:17
But also, let's have our listeners send us their
48:21
situations that they're too afraid to ask somewhere they, I
48:26
mean, I don't know that we're going to have the answers, but
48:28
we can certainly talk about it and maybe even like pull in some
48:31
of these experts to kind of help us work through them.
48:34
And so I would just invite everyone to send us your sticky
48:37
situations, no matter what they are.
48:40
You can do that anonymously on our website, which is.
48:43
Not not all dot biz. Not all that biz, no.
48:47
But it's not dot, it's a dot, not all dot.
48:50
Biz. But I like to say that biz.
48:52
So send us your questions and we will answer every single one
48:56
maybe. Yeah, we have a couple ways to
48:58
do it. One is you could actually record
49:00
a voice message. We have a voicemail inbox where
49:03
you could record yourself saying the sticky situation.
49:06
We do have that. It's 2025.
49:09
You got to have stuff like that. The other thing is we also do
49:12
have an e-mail address podcast at not all dot biz.
49:18
You can send it there, you can type it in.
49:20
That's what you want to do. You can also just leave a
49:22
comment on this video or on Spotify.
49:26
Yeah, send him in. We're excited to get to him.
49:29
OK, so that is fun. So that's all I had written down
49:32
for what we were going to talk about today.
49:34
You're me. Cute.
49:36
First job. We have a tradition on the show
49:40
for us to wrap every episode. We go around and say, what's one
49:44
thing that made you smile this week?
49:47
So I'd like to hear from the two of you and then I'll go too.
49:51
What is one thing that made you smile this week?
49:54
What brought a smile? Oh, the way you word it is so
49:56
fun. What brought a smile to your
49:58
face? That's what Heather says.
49:59
I like that. That's.
50:00
What I say, I like to hear you say it though too.
50:03
What brought a smile to my face? Obviously the Lions winning, but
50:07
that's probably going to be yours.
50:12
Go Lions. Yeah.
50:15
So my college roommate is in town visiting, so that is so
50:20
fun. And then a couple more girls are
50:23
coming out this weekend, so we don't realize how old we've
50:28
become. And I live in a college town, so
50:30
I'm a little nervous about what this weekend looks like.
50:32
But when we all get together, we just feel like we're 20 years
50:36
old again. So yeah, more.
50:38
I'm sure they'll be some good smile stories for next week.
50:42
That's. Awesome.
50:43
Yeah, well, what put a smile to my face is I was making some tea
50:48
right before the show and I literally drink this tea every
50:53
single day and I never noticed that they write messages on the
50:57
little string. You never noticed that I love
51:00
reading those. It's like a fortune cookie kind
51:02
of thing. Do all tea companies do this?
51:05
No, not all but the good ones do.
51:07
You must have got a bougie 1. Oh, can I one up you?
51:09
Wait, Can I? Oh, something just came to me.
51:11
I got to one up you. Yeah.
51:13
What? I don't buy tea that has those
51:15
tags on it because I learned how destructive they are to the
51:18
environment. Oh my gosh, that was your last
51:21
podcast, OK. There's.
51:23
There's there's no outrage or. If you want to talk about
51:25
recycling, I'll go talk about recycling.
51:28
The world is gonna burn up, Clay.
51:32
OK, we, we're, we've accepted it and we're just, I'm, I'm
51:35
drinking as many Coke cans as like, no, don't say that.
51:39
I'm drinking as many coke cans. I don't even drink Coke.
51:42
I don't know why it's been. That number one recyclable
51:45
material that we have on earth. OK, here's the deal though.
51:49
I do recycle. I have a recycling bin.
51:52
It doesn't always make it. It's just, it just depends
51:55
because here's the deal. It just goes down to the
51:57
landfill down the street. It's not I'm we're landlocked.
52:00
There's no ocean nearby, so. Oh, you guys.
52:05
OK, well. Real quick before we leave, OK,
52:08
I, I interviewed, this is about companies and messy situations.
52:12
I interviewed at a renewable energy company and one of their
52:16
questions on the interview was like, well, you know, what do
52:19
you care most about the environment?
52:23
And you're like, I don't care. I go, oh, you don't care.
52:26
Cycle. You don't.
52:28
I don't even do that anymore because I'm so pissed about the
52:30
recycling industry anyway. Landlocked Oh, clay is clay
52:35
might quit again. We might have an empty.
52:37
Chair Oh, I I've got facts on that industry.
52:40
Anyway, you guys are ruining my tag because here's what my tag
52:44
says. Be kind to others.
52:46
And I'm like that right now. Except the Earth.
52:50
Kind to others. No, no, it says be kind to
52:54
others, but always be compassionate to yourself.
52:57
And I, I never remember the second part.
53:00
And last week I wasn't very kind to Eminem and I just feel like.
53:05
You're only saying that because you got trolled and shamed.
53:08
I did, but I, I, I don't know, I think those little Nuggets,
53:13
they're helpful, keep you in the moment, put a smile on my face.
53:16
That's nice, I agree and I will tell you Eminem doesn't give a
53:19
flying what about? But his stands do.
53:22
He would. He would.
53:23
Love it. He loves adversity.
53:26
He's a grandpa now. He he became a grandfather.
53:30
Yeah. And I will be.
53:31
Mama drama. I will be very interested to see
53:33
how that changes his public persona.
53:35
But yeah, my, my smile this week was the Detroit Lions absolutely
53:45
destroyed the Baltimore Ravens. Sorry, Blakely, I know that
53:49
you're from Baltimore. It's all.
53:51
Good, Noel. Ravens weren't there when I was
53:54
there, so that's fine. Did you know that the Ravens,
53:56
they're named the Ravens after the Edgar Allan Poe the Raven?
54:03
I thought that fact was going to be way more interesting to the
54:06
two of you, but apparent we've never talked about American
54:08
literature or anything like that.
54:09
So anyway. Let's keep it that.
54:12
Way OK, so, so the Detroit Lions, I mean, every analyst
54:17
before the game said that the Baltimore Ravens were going to
54:21
win. And the Lions just stepped in
54:24
there and said we are not here to prove anything to anyone
54:27
else. We are only here to prove it to
54:30
ourselves that we can do this. And that's how they play.
54:33
They play very physical, fundamental, the hardest.
54:38
The people who practice and play the hardest, they make the team.
54:42
That is how they run their franchise now and it is electric
54:46
to watch. So I'm jumping up and down in my
54:49
house. I have a 90 year old house.
54:51
So it's, you know, the whole thing shakes a little bit when
54:54
you jump up and down. So I'm like waking up everybody
54:56
in the house, 'cause 8:15 PM games, it's late.
55:01
I'm watching the final quarter at like 11:30.
55:05
And if there's any injuries, you're not going to bed until
55:08
tomorrow. So anyway, it was so much fun,
55:12
brought a smile to my face. Ray actually came down and
55:15
watched a little bit of the game with me and I said before she
55:17
sat down, I said hey, just so you know, it's going to be just
55:21
the stress is not going to end, it's just going to get worse.
55:24
So and she's like, that's OK. So it was really nice.
55:27
We had a nice time. I had a nice time.
55:30
I was appreciating your text updates that was.
55:33
Helping me, yeah. So, Blakely, I I exclude you
55:36
from the Detroit Lions? Textbook.
55:39
That's OK. Sure.
55:41
Fair enough. OK, I'm OK with that.
55:43
OK, so that does it for us this week.
55:46
Thanks everybody for listening and watching the show.
55:48
Thanks for tuning in. Do people still TuneIn?
55:51
That's what I say. We are going to have an exciting
55:54
guest on the show next week, so be sure to hit subscribe.
55:58
Don't miss the episode. Blakely and Heather, thanks for
56:01
sharing your smiles. Thanks for sharing your story.
56:03
It was really fun. I'm excited to be part of this
56:05
journey that the two of you are on.
56:06
Thanks for bringing me in to produce the show.
56:09
Anything else you want to say before we go?
56:12
Thanks for show running Clay. That was tip top.
56:16
You're hired. OK, thanks.
56:18
It was super weird to do it on a show where it's like we need to
56:21
like re evaluate what the gender parity is and re examine this
56:29
from a systemic structure. And I'm like, OK, cool.
56:32
Well, let me cut you off and say let's move on to the next topic.
56:36
That was super weird but. Yeah, good job, patriarchy.
56:39
Next week, I promise I won't be. I won't be representing the
56:43
patriarchy in the show. As I point at you like this.
56:48
I won't be doing this. All right, Let's just say
56:52
goodbye. Goodbye.
56:53
See you next week. Hit Subscribe.
56:55
See you next week. Bye.