Latest / Closing Sales in Nigeria - Sales For The Nigerian Business Person: The Sales and Marketing Blueprint / The Ultimate Guide to WhatsApp Networking
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- 0:01Hello and welcome to the show. It's available on Apple, on
- 0:04Spotify and on YouTube. I'm your host, Tavishima Ayede.
- 0:09If you'd like to connect with me to explore opportunities, then
- 0:12hit me up on 08064662140. The country code is +234.
- 0:19For those of you who are not Nigerian, it's my WhatsApp
- 0:21number as well, so you can call, you can send me a WhatsApp
- 0:24message to connect on social media.
- 0:27Just hit me up on LinkedIn. So today, OK, today, what I
- 0:33would like us to discuss is, excuse me, is how to reach out
- 0:37to people on WhatsApp or SMS, you know, all those other
- 0:41outlets reaching out to prospects or reaching out to
- 0:44people that you're curious about and you want to run one or two
- 0:46things with them. Now, the reason why I'm making
- 0:48this podcast episode is because, well, by coincidence, I've
- 0:52received a couple of messages in the past couple of days.
- 0:55And you know, the messages are just, you know, hi, the person
- 0:58will just say hi and then not say anything else or the person
- 1:01will just say good morning and not say anything else.
- 1:04Some people will just say hello and not say anything else.
- 1:08Some people will try and they will just write is this XYZ and
- 1:11not say anything else. And it seems to be a tradition
- 1:14in this part of the world in Nigeria.
- 1:16I don't know if those of you listening from different parts
- 1:18of the world, because I think we have like 30 something percent
- 1:23of listeners are in America. A few of you are in the Uki
- 1:28won't have some people, surprisingly, in China.
- 1:30I don't know if you guys are actually Chinese or maybe it's
- 1:33Nigerian diaspora. So people listening, listening
- 1:35in different parts of the world. So I don't know if you guys have
- 1:37this kind of tradition there where you're just chilling, you
- 1:39know, with your phone and then the message comes in, ping him,
- 1:42you look and then the message is just hi and the person didn't
- 1:45say anything else. So now today's episode is just
- 1:49to help to, you know, deliver some common sense and to, you
- 1:57know, if you've been doing this kind of thing, you just have
- 1:59somebody message hi or just good morning.
- 2:01You didn't put anything after that.
- 2:02Hopefully this message is going to or rather this podcast is
- 2:06going to help you take dressing on how to be much more effective
- 2:10when you're using WhatsApp, using SMS for outreach.
- 2:13Because a lot of the times you guys actually do have some
- 2:16pretty interesting things to say.
- 2:17You just don't know how to go about it, how to go about
- 2:19starting the conversation. So today I'm going to come up,
- 2:22I'm going to give you guys a simple conversation framework.
- 2:24It applies face to face. It also applies e-mail, also
- 2:27applies text message and should help you guys get your start the
- 2:33out feature in a much more what's the word effective
- 2:36manner. Oh, by the way, in case I
- 2:38haven't figured out, this is going to be a noisy episode
- 2:40because I'm out and about to expect to hear some
- 2:41interruptions. Now, before we get into the meat
- 2:44of the topic, I'd like to shout out Genesis Benjamin.
- 2:48And I'm going to give him the award for the most interesting
- 2:51Nigerian name ever because I have not come across well.
- 2:55We've come across some Nigerians who have two English names.
- 3:00It's rare, but those Nigerians exist.
- 3:02You know, like you'll find a Nigerian who is named Adam.
- 3:06OK, No, Adam Smith is is more of like an American thing.
- 3:10I can't remember. In fact, that's how rare they
- 3:13are. I can't even remember anyone
- 3:15right now who has one of those names.
- 3:17You know, like English name, English name, but of those
- 3:20people who have those sorts of names, I think this is the most
- 3:23unique name ever. Genesis Benjamin, thank you very
- 3:26much for listening to the show. He discovered the show on
- 3:28Spotify, even sent me the screen grab to show what particular
- 3:33episode it was on. Thank you very much.
- 3:34I appreciate the enthusiasm. And then he reached out to me on
- 3:37WhatsApp. So Genesis Benjamin works with
- 3:40the Ogun State Broadcasting Corporation, if I remember
- 3:43correctly, and then he's into selling fashionable
- 3:48wristwatches, you know, all those sorts of things.
- 3:50So thank you very much, Genesis Benjamin, our award winner for
- 3:54the most unique Nigerian name ever.
- 3:56At least on for now, until I come across another podcast
- 3:59listener who has a, you know, 2 step Nigerian name, you know,
- 4:04both English name and it's more unique than Genesis Benjamin.
- 4:07Oh, by the way, Genesis is his first name.
- 4:09So that's also another reason why I love my Nigerian people.
- 4:12You know, we always come up with pretty interesting names,
- 4:17interesting names that make sense because I have that Elon
- 4:20Musk here that he named one of his children X or something like
- 4:23that. I'm like, which one is X?
- 4:25What kind of rubbish is that? And I think for Beyoncé and Jay
- 4:28ZI, mean Beyoncé and Jay-Z, like they name one of their child,
- 4:31the children Blue, I'll be Blue Ivy or something.
- 4:35Like you guys just pick some random names, you know, from
- 4:37like from where? But only in Nigeria, you know,
- 4:40interesting names, but at least the name didn't make sense.
- 4:44All right, so straight to the topic for today, how to reach
- 4:48out to people on WhatsApp. You find somebody interesting,
- 4:51you want to talk to the person or you hope you want to do some
- 4:53business with the person. And let's say in the past what
- 4:56you've been doing is you just send a message.
- 4:57Hey, you just send a message. Good morning.
- 5:01You just send a message. Hello.
- 5:04Or you just send a message. Is this XYZ like some people who
- 5:07send me a message? Is this tablishing a question
- 5:10mark? And you just leave that as the
- 5:12first message and you're wondering why people are not
- 5:15responding to your message and then you will now tell someone
- 5:19like me that I tried prospecting using WhatsApp, I tried reaching
- 5:23out to people via SMS, but it doesn't work.
- 5:25People doesn't people don't respond to messages.
- 5:28That is the reason why people are not responding to your
- 5:30messages because if you've been using this approach.
- 5:32Hi, good morning. Hello.
- 5:35Is this Tavishma question mark? It is inadequate because when
- 5:41you are reaching out to people and they don't know who the F
- 5:43you are and the message just comes in high, it doesn't solve
- 5:48the problem because as a Nigerian guy or girl, you're
- 5:51just minding your business. You're playing Candy Crush on
- 5:53your phone or you're trying to play chess on your phone like I
- 5:55play chess. Although you should be working
- 5:58because right now it's 1154 in the day.
- 6:01So if you're playing Candy Crush or if you're playing chess, that
- 6:04is a 0 for you. You better, you know, hop on the
- 6:08phone, make some calls or drive to a customer's office or get on
- 6:11the keyboard, you know, do something chef, go and do some
- 6:13work. So, so you're just person just
- 6:16there with their phone. A strange number comes in like
- 6:19that. It doesn't solve the main
- 6:20problem. The main problem for the
- 6:21Nigerian person who is holding their phone right now is who it
- 6:24is. Who is this person?
- 6:26Why are you hitting up my phone? Why are you bothering me?
- 6:30So when we are reaching out to people over WhatsApp, in fact,
- 6:34even for people who self that we even have their phone number,
- 6:37it's not a good idea to just send hi.
- 6:39I mean, except if you're sending a message to Momsy or Popsy.
- 6:42If Popsy sees hi on his phone, he will smile and say my
- 6:45daughter has remembered me this morning.
- 6:47And then he replied this one that my darling daughter has
- 6:49remembered me this morning. I hope all is well because he
- 6:52knows that you're about to beat him, you know.
- 6:53But at least with Popsy there's a good way to start the
- 6:55conversation. With moms, he is a good way to
- 6:57start the conversation but if you are me, you know we're
- 7:00friends you know we're all once in a while and you just send me
- 7:03a message. Hi I'll still be wondering OK,
- 7:05this one that Ching is sending me a message.
- 7:07Hi Like hi over what? Or Kunle just sends me a
- 7:10message. Hi and I'm wondering OK Kunle,
- 7:13you Remember Me today. Why is he sending this message
- 7:15doesn't solve the problem as people want to know who are you
- 7:19or why are you in my inbox this morning?
- 7:22So it's a simple conversational framework that goes like this.
- 7:26And I've talked about it on the podcast several times.
- 7:28But for those of you who are newbies listening, this is how
- 7:31it goes. Greeting, intention, question,
- 7:36proposal, and then close. Let's go about the framework
- 7:39again. First of all, you give an
- 7:41appropriate greeting. Now, when I say appropriate
- 7:43greeting, appropriate means relative to the person, the
- 7:47context, your relationship, you know, things like that because
- 7:49there are some people that the only appropriate greeting is
- 7:52good morning, Sir. There's some other people that
- 7:55are appropriate greeting is guy. How far?
- 7:58There's some other people that the appropriate greeting is a
- 8:02mummy of life and destiny. Your boys are loyal.
- 8:05So it depends on the context. So I'm not one of those people
- 8:09who's going to say that your greeting must always be this way
- 8:11or always be that way. It depends.
- 8:14So it has to be appropriate according to the context,
- 8:17according to what the person respects so expects, according
- 8:21to your relationship. So it depends.
- 8:25Because it's perfectly fine that you work in the financial
- 8:28services industry and maybe you sell insurance.
- 8:30It is perfectly fine that you greeting somebody can be a mommy
- 8:34of life and destiny. Your boys are loyal.
- 8:36That can be an appropriate greeting even though you sell
- 8:38insurance, provided you aren't a woman.
- 8:41You guys feel like that. I'm assuming maybe she's old
- 8:44enough to be like your mom. See, but maybe she's a very
- 8:47blunt and direct person that you guys have been having that kind
- 8:50of conversation. Yeah, in that case, that would
- 8:52be an appropriate greeting. Are you meeting her the first
- 8:54time? The appropriate greeting might
- 8:55be good morning, Ma, or sending her an e-mail.
- 8:58Appropriate greeting might be Good morning, Madam.
- 9:01You know XYZ, so appropriate greeting.
- 9:05The next is intention. You always need to let people
- 9:08know what's up. Why are you making this phone
- 9:10call? Why did you come to their
- 9:12office? Why did you send them an SMS?
- 9:15Why did you send them an e-mail? And when we start doing virtual
- 9:19reality and all whatnot, you know, with the like, Apple
- 9:21headset and all that, you also need to let the person know why
- 9:24are you trying to enter into my virtual space?
- 9:26I'm here chilling in virtual space and I'm trying to watch,
- 9:29you know, Sonic the head, Sonic the Hedgehog Part 5 or whatever.
- 9:32So why are you trying to disturb my cinema experience?
- 9:35So you need to let the person know the intention.
- 9:39Then the next stage is questions.
- 9:41The reason why a question is there is because usually
- 9:44whenever we're trying to hit somebody up, we have a place
- 9:46that we're going to. There's something we want to ask
- 9:48them, there's a proposal that we want to make.
- 9:50You cannot make an appropriate proposal, relevant proposal
- 9:54until you ask a few questions and you figure out where this
- 9:56person is coming from. In that case, you can make a
- 9:58proposal that makes sense to both of you and then close is
- 10:01just you try and get them to take the next step.
- 10:03So that's the summary of a simple conversational framework.
- 10:06And we'll just use 2 examples now so that you can see how this
- 10:08thing applies in SMS. Again, the framework is simple.
- 10:11It's greeting, intention, question, proposal, and then
- 10:19close. So let me use 2 examples now
- 10:23because one person hit me up, you just say good morning, she
- 10:26just left it like that. The other person hit me up, you
- 10:29just said hi. And she she just left it like
- 10:31that. Oh, by the way, it's just a
- 10:32coincidence that both people are women.
- 10:34Just a coincidence. I'm not saying this is a woman
- 10:37thing. So please nobody crucify me.
- 10:40So the first person good morning now because you know, I'm a
- 10:45sales professional. I understand how people are.
- 10:46So me, I move the conversation along, but if you're talking
- 10:50with an ordinary person who is not in business, like my wife
- 10:52for instance, or my mom or my mother-in-law or my
- 10:54father-in-law, you just say hi. What do you think the response
- 10:58will be? My wife will just ignore, my
- 11:00mother-in-law will ignore, my mother will ignore, my
- 11:03father-in-law will look and my father-in-law will also reply hi
- 11:06and leave it like that. The ball is now back in your
- 11:09court. You shall have to move the
- 11:10conversation forward. So just saying hi or just saying
- 11:15good morning, that's not a good idea.
- 11:18So I moved the conversation along.
- 11:21And so I now know the reason why they are sending a message.
- 11:24So this is what they should have done instead.
- 11:26So the lady that just sent the message good morning, she said I
- 11:29sent a message saying good morning Tavishima, concerning
- 11:34our yesterday's meeting. Apologies that I couldn't make
- 11:36it. Ma'am, you send it as a message.
- 11:39So I see the message, you know, and immediately I now know what
- 11:44the context is about and I can continue the conversation
- 11:47accordingly. Then from there, from that small
- 11:50introduction, Good morning Tavishma, concerning our meeting
- 11:53yesterday, apologies that I couldn't make it.
- 11:56Then the greeting and the intention that's in there.
- 12:00The question would be, are you still interested in continuing
- 12:03the conversation or would you like to, would you like for us
- 12:06to try having a meeting again? That's the question.
- 12:09The proposal as the conversation as you guys are thinking back
- 12:12and forth, the proposal would now be, would you be available
- 12:14next week Wednesday? Unless they have, I say yes,
- 12:18then the close would be, oh, thank you very much.
- 12:20I'll schedule that in the calendar.
- 12:22I will ping you a reminder on Tuesday evening.
- 12:25Will that be OK? Question mark?
- 12:27And to which I would respond and say yes.
- 12:29And then that's it. So you can see now you have had
- 12:32a very productive SMS exchange, WhatsApp exchange, Telegram
- 12:37exchange, e-mail exchange, whatever exchange by just
- 12:41following this format instead of just saying good morning.
- 12:44And then you keep quiet. I'm the one that's now asking
- 12:46you like alpha, I didn't see you during the meeting yesterday
- 12:50because by the way, that's rude. You guys schedule a meeting.
- 12:54You don't show up for the meeting.
- 12:55You don't say anything. You now send the guy a text
- 12:59message just saying good morning.
- 13:00You leave it like that. It is now me, the slighted
- 13:03party. You didn't show up for the
- 13:04meeting that is now asking you like alpha, why?
- 13:06Why didn't you show? It's it's somehow so that should
- 13:10be that should have been the approach.
- 13:11Good morning concerning yesterday's meeting.
- 13:14My apologies, you know, blah blah blah.
- 13:16Excuse excuse, excuse. Would you be available next week
- 13:19Wednesday? OK, cool, reconfirm.
- 13:21I'll send you the zoom link and I'll ping you a reminder on on
- 13:26Tuesday then end. Fruitful.
- 13:29Now the next lady that sent me a message, she just sent a
- 13:32message. Hi.
- 13:34So like I said, because I'm in sales, I know what's up, I know
- 13:36where she's heading. I try and move the conversation
- 13:39along, but this is how she should have done it.
- 13:41She should have done it this way.
- 13:43By the way, lady that sent me this message was a strange
- 13:45number, but because I was kind of expecting that she would hit
- 13:48me up anyway, I kind of was expecting because I had spoken
- 13:51to some other guy about this whole thing.
- 13:53So when I saw it, you know, I was not surprised.
- 13:54I just checked country code like, oh, OK, OK.
- 13:57I see this is babe that guy was talking about.
- 14:00So this is how I should have been, should have been.
- 14:02Hi, OK. Chuku said you are interested in
- 14:06crypto question mark or you're interested in crypto.
- 14:10Is that correct or whatever? Something like that.
- 14:12That simple introduction will do two things #1 there's an
- 14:16appropriate greeting there. Then #2 it has stated the
- 14:18intention #3 you have looked in a common friend or a common
- 14:25acquaintance that both of you had.
- 14:28You know, if it's a referral, you must always loop in, always
- 14:30mention the referral. So like I tell people this, but
- 14:34people just don't seem to get it.
- 14:35Like you collect the phone number for Madam Constance and
- 14:41you get the phone number from Odogu Benjamin and then you just
- 14:46show up at Madam Constance House and then you start having the
- 14:48conversation. You know?
- 14:48No, when you show up at Madam Constance house, you say, oh,
- 14:51thank you very much man, for, for meeting blah, blah, blah.
- 14:53I got your number from Odogu Benjamin.
- 14:56And you say, Oh, Benjamin, my long lost friend, how is he now?
- 15:01Sure, he's fine. Oh, blah, blah, blah.
- 15:02How do you even know Benjamin itself?
- 15:04You know, you've already started off with rapport, some
- 15:06commonality. So I don't know why some people
- 15:08don't do that. Somebody refers you always drop
- 15:11the person's name. So in this case, instead of just
- 15:13saying hi question mark, I'm leaving it like that because
- 15:16honestly, it was my wife. My wife just says hi.
- 15:18My wife will assume this person scammer.
- 15:20My wife will block my mother-in-law will just ignore
- 15:25my own mother will just block my own father-in-law.
- 15:29He can be mischievous, so he might decide to engage.
- 15:32This one is a scammer, Abby. He might decide to engage to
- 15:35continue winding up the person, just follow the person and be
- 15:37playing in the conversation. But you can see that either way,
- 15:41the responses are not good. The more effective way is
- 15:45greeting intention. So in this case, hi, Okuchuku
- 15:48said you're interested in crypto, is that correct?
- 15:51Okuchuku said you would love to know more about crypto.
- 15:53Oh, sorry. In this case, I think you better
- 15:55put the person's son in as well because you know, we're
- 15:57Nigerians now. So Okuchuku, you know them
- 16:00plenty. There's many Okuchuku.
- 16:02So in this case, hello, I was talking to Okajuku one or so
- 16:08last Tuesday and he said you're interested in learning more
- 16:10about crypto question mark. So in that case, you see now the
- 16:14conversation will just be flowing, be flowing, be flowing
- 16:16because the person you sent the message to, which is me in this
- 16:19case, I opened the phone and two questions I answered, who is
- 16:23this? Why is the person hitting up my
- 16:25phone? What's the connection between me
- 16:27and that person? So that'll be the perfect
- 16:29opener. Now, of course, as the texting
- 16:32back and forth continues, you the questions would be, let me
- 16:40see. I think would make sense to ask,
- 16:42you know, how much the person knows about crypto, whether
- 16:44they're familiar with crypto, why they're even thinking of
- 16:45investing in crypto, all those sorts of conversations.
- 16:48And then you now round it up with, oh, sorry about that.
- 16:52A call is coming through. Funny enough is the lady who
- 16:55sent me the first message, She's the one who is now calling.
- 16:57OK, after I cut this thing now, now answer her.
- 17:02Oh, by the way, you see what I've been saying that you know,
- 17:04it's best to do a phone call if you're just saying hi and the
- 17:07person ignores, you know, then what?
- 17:09You know, you have to find ways of pushing out the conversation
- 17:11yourself anyway. So actually what she should have
- 17:14done, which is what she's doing now, is actually to have called
- 17:17and have this conversation instead of trying to ping when
- 17:22you're able to make a meeting. That's what I was saying.
- 17:27OK, so I ran over a couple of ideas about what kind of
- 17:31questions you know you would ask the person in the picking
- 17:33message. What do you know about crypto?
- 17:35Why are you interested in investing in crypto?
- 17:37What kind of returns are you looking for?
- 17:38Then the proposal in this case would be are you open for a
- 17:42phone call or can I come back to your office or blah blah blah to
- 17:44talk some more or to look at specific proposals That will be
- 17:48the proposal and let's say the person is truly interested.
- 17:51The person says yes, and then OK, yeah, you've proposed the
- 17:55day now, Friday, December 25th or whatever, and then it'll also
- 18:01be OK. Thank you very much.
- 18:02I'll ping you a reminder on Thursday evening just to confirm
- 18:05that we're still on course. Would that be OK?
- 18:07The person will say yes, and then that's it, conversation
- 18:10over. And that is the simple framework
- 18:14about how you should be conducting your conversations,
- 18:18whether it's SMS or e-mail or in person.
- 18:21You show up or you ping with an appropriate greeting.
- 18:26Next, state your intention. People want to know why are you
- 18:30here? Why are you disturbing me?
- 18:32Then ask a couple of questions. The answers will give you all
- 18:36the information that you need to make an effective proposal.
- 18:39Sorry, to make a relevant proposal that would be good for
- 18:42both of you and then try and get the person to take action on the
- 18:46next step, which is the close. So if you do that, you'll be
- 18:49fine. So for those of you who have
- 18:51been trying to start conversation by just sending
- 18:53message, hi, you just send message.
- 18:56Good morning. You're just ping somebody.
- 18:59Hello, I'm just sending message is establishing my you did
- 19:03question mark. That is not the most effective
- 19:06way to start off the conversation.
- 19:08So if you send a message is establishing my ID.
- 19:12I discovered you on so so so and so and I'm reaching out because
- 19:15I want us to do ABC and XYZ, that kind of text message
- 19:19somebody will see and he answers the main questions.
- 19:22Who is this? Why are you hitting my phone?
- 19:24What is our relationship? The person will now know whether
- 19:26OK let me engage or let me weave this one.
- 19:29So yeah, that's it. So remember if you'd love to
- 19:32connect with me and explore opportunities, the phone number,
- 19:34the WhatsApp number is 08064662140.
- 19:39The country code is +234. Again, for those of you who are
- 19:41not Nigerian, then you can also connect with me on on LinkedIn,
- 19:48on social media. Also, I got distracted, one of
- 19:52my neighbor's car broke down and the idiot is trying to tow the
- 19:56car with a Kia. I wonder how this is going to
- 19:58work. I've never seen somebody use a
- 20:00Kia with rope trying. Oh, OK, it seems to be working.
- 20:04Interesting. So ladies and gentlemen, now we
- 20:07know that the Kia is a very strong car.
- 20:09Even though it's tiny and it looks like a computer mouse,
- 20:13apparently it is strong enough to pull another car.
- 20:15So. You're looking for a new car to
- 20:17buy, I guess you can go and buy a Kia.
- 20:19So yeah, that's it. I'll catch you guys tomorrow.