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Lucid: Understanding Dreams · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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  Speaker 2: Do you have any recurring dreams all the time?
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  Speaker 1: I'm really glad you asked. I I tried to talk
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  Speaker 1: to my therapist about this, but they kind of shut
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  Speaker 1: it down. Now I'm just kidding. I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think so. I feel like, definitely when I know there's
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  Speaker 1: a problem, when I have a dream about work. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but other than that, there's not really anything dream wise
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  Speaker 1: that like sticks out that makes sense. Yeah, what about you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to mention before getting into my dreams
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  Speaker 2: that I think the funniest one I've ever heard is
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  Speaker 2: that my mom has a recurring nightmare of toilets in
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  Speaker 2: a carpeted bathroom.
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  Speaker 3: Overflowing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, sounds like a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: Uh just fucking just squeak, just.
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  Speaker 2: Overflowing, spewing out contents. It's untamable, it's getting all the carpet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if you're curious what today's episode is about,
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  Speaker 1: it's about overflowing toilets with carpet bathrooms. Like, a carpeted
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  Speaker 1: bathroom is not a good idea, No, never was.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about keeping my toes warm while I urinates.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather not have to clean that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because oh, oh, okay, terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I do have a recurring dream myself where
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  Speaker 2: I'm transported back to junior high. But I'm also a doctor,
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  Speaker 2: and so they're like, oh, we made a mistake. It
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  Speaker 2: looks like you didn't do one of those junior high classes.
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  Speaker 2: So in between your patients, you gotta sneak on over
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  Speaker 2: to McCormick Junior High School and take English class with
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of punk kids. But recently I had a
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  Speaker 2: dream where in my dream that was starting to play out,
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  Speaker 2: they were like, oh, we made a mistake. You got
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  Speaker 2: to go back to junior high And in my dream,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Nope, I'm not doing that.
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  Speaker 1: You exercise your free will. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, finally, thank god, I stood up
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  Speaker 2: for myself in these dreams.
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  Speaker 1: Can I share a story that's not related to dreams
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  Speaker 1: at all, but it's really too okay. I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to someone about this the other day. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was one of the math teachers at work. I used
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  Speaker 1: to be someone that was like decent at math and
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  Speaker 1: like just decent, like school wise, And I remember the
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  Speaker 1: exact time where the math just left my the ability
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  Speaker 1: to do math left me. And it was my sophomore
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  Speaker 1: year in high school. As someone who felt comfortable enough
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  Speaker 1: to push themselves a little bit school wise. I remember
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  Speaker 1: signing up for it was the class was algebra two.
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  Speaker 1: Algebra two trigonometry, like that was the class and that
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  Speaker 1: was like the quote unquote honors class for like sophomores
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  Speaker 1: and it was first period. I believe the teacher was Mislay,
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  Speaker 1: and there was two eighth graders in my class. These
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  Speaker 1: kids were so advanced in math that they would walk
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  Speaker 1: over from the middle school take math with me in
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  Speaker 1: my classmates first period, and they'd walk back to middle
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  Speaker 1: school and they would kick my ass every day in math,
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  Speaker 1: and there was no hanging with them, like, there was
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  Speaker 1: just no like. At that time, I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: math is not math is not for me. So some
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  Speaker 1: people just got a gift that, yeah they do and
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  Speaker 1: I don't have that. So anyway, that we're off topic,
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  Speaker 1: but I just needed to share since we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: middle school and middle school is being way better at
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  Speaker 1: math than me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well, today we are talking about dreams, hence the
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  Speaker 2: rest dreams question and algebra uh and terrifying recurring dreams.
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  Speaker 2: I've always kind of been fascinated by dreams. I believe
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  Speaker 2: I'm somewhat of a vivid dreamer. I can't really compare
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  Speaker 2: it to anyone else, but it seems like I've always
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  Speaker 2: had very vivid, realistic dreams and I often hear like
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  Speaker 2: music in dreams is pretty rare, and I hear music
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  Speaker 2: quite frequently. I actually woke up the other day and
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  Speaker 2: I remember in my dream right before I woke up,
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  Speaker 2: there was Taylor Swift playing. So even in my dreams,
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  Speaker 2: in my sleep, I can't escape that crappy music.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, WHOA went there?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she's got some good songs. I will admit there.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I just pissed off the Swifties, any Swifties
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  Speaker 2: out there, My deepest apologies.
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  Speaker 3: I spoke a little hastily. She's got some good songs.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very hit or miss on Taylor where it's like
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  Speaker 2: either I think, wow, that's a really good song, where
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  Speaker 2: it's like, wow, that is a complete garbage song either way.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, I looked it up on Psychologytoday dot com,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people do hear music in their dreams,
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  Speaker 2: but not a lot of people remember that they hear
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  Speaker 2: music in their dreams. I oftentimes have people speaking Spanish
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  Speaker 2: to me in my dreams, and it's like a level
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  Speaker 2: of Spanish that's too advanced and I don't even understand it.
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  Speaker 2: But then like I'll remember little snippets and I'll go
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  Speaker 2: look it up and it's stuff that like actually is
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  Speaker 2: Spanish and makes sense. I'm like, wow, that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: weird that I don't even know what that is, but
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  Speaker 2: my subconscious does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Am distantly related to Benjamin Franklin on my mother's side,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember reading his autobiography and he talked about
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  Speaker 2: like how vivid his dreams were too, and I remember
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  Speaker 2: thinking like, oh, maybe it's a genetic thing, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought that was kind of interesting fact. So
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  Speaker 2: the reason why we bring it up is because dreams
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  Speaker 2: are so very tied to psychology, tenurology, to mental health.
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  Speaker 2: So we wanted to talk about dreams on this episode
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  Speaker 2: and give you a little bit of history, give you
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of the science behind dreams.
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  Speaker 1: How distantly related? Hold on, we can't just gloss over that.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: That's always a part of my two truths and a
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  Speaker 2: lie if I ever play that as I'm related to
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  Speaker 2: ben Franklin because my mom was contacted by a genealogist
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  Speaker 2: earlier in her life and said that we are descendants
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  Speaker 2: of Benjamin Franklin's oldest brother. Wow on Yeah, my mom's
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  Speaker 2: side and her maiden name was Franklin. So yeah, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that's evidence for me.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I need it's all I needed, damn. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: before I go to some history, let me just share.
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  Speaker 1: I used to be someone who would have like a
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  Speaker 1: song as my alarm on my phone, like it would
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  Speaker 1: play like a snippet of a song. But I stopped
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  Speaker 1: doing that because there'd be times where the song would
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  Speaker 1: play like in my dream and I wouldn't think anything
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  Speaker 1: of it and I would just keep sleeping. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Fun fact, fun fun any fact. Okay, anyway, history,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about history. Let's talk about dreams. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about written history of dreams. So first we'll go back
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  Speaker 1: to ancient Mesopotamia. I talked about Mesopotama the other day
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  Speaker 1: at work. I think the reason why I brought it
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  Speaker 1: up because again I was talking about my deficiencies in
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  Speaker 1: school and how I took a world ap World history
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  Speaker 1: as a sophomore. Sophomore year was tough for me in
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  Speaker 1: high school. Let me just tell you, I've realizing that
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  Speaker 1: now in real time. It was tough. And I just
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  Speaker 1: remember telling someone was like, yeah, I didn't give a
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  Speaker 1: damn about Mesopotamia. I probably should have. But anyway, ancient Mesopotamia,
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  Speaker 1: this is about forty five hundred to five hundred and
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  Speaker 1: thirty nine BCE. Before Common era, dreams were considered to
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  Speaker 1: be messages from the gods. So the Epic of Gilgamesh
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  Speaker 1: is one of the first recorded history stories in history.
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  Speaker 1: And in the story, Gilgamesh actually communicated with the gods
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  Speaker 1: through dreams. So dreams go way back. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a new thing. This is forty five hundred BCE before
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  Speaker 1: Common era. It's a long ass time ago.
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  Speaker 2: Some other ancient history. In ancient Egypt, people really started
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  Speaker 2: to document their dreams through hieroglyphics like as our writing,
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  Speaker 2: as our way of describing things, being able to take documents,
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily documents, but records of things that people started
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  Speaker 2: to really write down their dream.
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  Speaker 1: Around the sixteenth century in Europe, humans started to turn
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  Speaker 1: on dreams. They weren't as cool anymore. The Christian Church
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  Speaker 1: actually thought that dreams were a potential source of sin. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: let's take a real quick break shout out to Pope
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  Speaker 1: Francis rip He just passed away a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a TikTok where it was like the urge
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  Speaker 1: to like, as a non practicing Catholic, to represent my
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  Speaker 1: Catholic hood. Because Pope Francis is dead and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to gate key parts of Catholicism. But anyway, rip Pope
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  Speaker 1: Francis one of the more, maybe the most progressive pope
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  Speaker 1: we've ever had in history. He did some badass things.
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  Speaker 1: He was a support of the LGBTQ plus community. He
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  Speaker 1: talked about Gaza. He's a supportive immigrants as Jesus would
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  Speaker 1: have been back in the day. Anyway, so yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 1: stop that pause and we'll get back to it. There's
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  Speaker 1: actually an NPR article that was called through Line the
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  Speaker 1: History of Understanding Our Dreams that talked about this and
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  Speaker 1: talked about how, yeah, the Christian Church basically turned on
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  Speaker 1: dreams that said they were not they're not a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: You're potentially sitting through their source of sin. One interesting
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  Speaker 1: fact that we'll add is that during COVID people were
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  Speaker 1: reporting dreams to be more intense. I can imagine it's
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  Speaker 1: probably because of the state of the world at the time,
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  Speaker 1: the amount of stress people were going through. There's probably
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pieces to it, but yeah, something interesting
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  Speaker 1: that came out of COVID.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I've done quite a bit of sin in
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  Speaker 2: my dreams too, so I think Christian church was on
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  Speaker 2: to some, but as a society we didn't start really
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  Speaker 2: looking at dreams scientifically until around the time of Sigmund Freud.
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  Speaker 2: Oh everyone's favorite topic on the show. So he believed
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  Speaker 2: that dreams were a manifestation of repressed desires and unconscious thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: and that they provided a window into the human psyche
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of what we think about dreams.
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  Speaker 3: We still think about that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people still ascribe to those ideas that
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  Speaker 2: Freud put forward about dreams. So what does the science
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  Speaker 2: say now.
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  Speaker 1: Penis We're not Isn't that what Freud would say? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Everything just goes back to penis. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Freud was very penis focused, very pro penis. Yes, he
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  Speaker 2: was also very repressed sexual desires towards your mother. That
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  Speaker 2: was another big one that you know, we pick and choose.
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  Speaker 3: These days what we take from Freud.
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  Speaker 2: So what does the science say now that we're still
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  Speaker 2: not really exactly sure why we dream.
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  Speaker 3: We know that we do dream, we don't know why exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We believe dreaming helps us store memories and process them too.
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  Speaker 2: Dreams can also help us process our emotions. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times if you go through something really
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  Speaker 2: difficult throughout the day. You'll dream about it at night,
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  Speaker 2: kind of like going through it with a therapist. It
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  Speaker 2: allows you to get out those feelings, kind of go
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  Speaker 2: over things, process it, store it in your memory brain banks,
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  Speaker 2: and put it away.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the brain, and I think the body as
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  Speaker 1: a whole, but specifically the brain does a lot of
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  Speaker 1: maintenance during sleep, so it essentially cleans itself. It kind
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  Speaker 1: of like packages up the trash and waste products and
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  Speaker 1: then your blood takes it away, pretty much like trash day.
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  Speaker 1: What day is trash day for you guys?
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  Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, It's tomorrow is Monday?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did you put the trash bins out?
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  Speaker 2: I did not, So I'm gonna forget about it until
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  Speaker 2: the morning and then I'm gonna wake up and scramble
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  Speaker 2: outside in my bare feet and get the trash cans out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I love self awareness anyway. Over the years, sleep
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  Speaker 1: research has come a long way, especially in the past
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  Speaker 1: few decades. Can now use fMRI to show what areas
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  Speaker 1: of the brain are lighting up during dreaming. We know
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  Speaker 1: that multiple areas light up while someone is dreaming. The
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  Speaker 1: posterior parietal area and the prefrontal cortex is the area
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  Speaker 1: responsible for dreams, and then we have the visual cortex
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  Speaker 1: and audio cortex of the brain. Those also light up
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  Speaker 1: while someone's dreaming. It's also important to know that this
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  Speaker 1: also happens in hallucinations, so areas of the brain are
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  Speaker 1: fired and indicating that people are physically perceiving these things
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  Speaker 1: inside their own minds.
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  Speaker 2: I find that so fascinating that when we're dreaming, we're
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  Speaker 2: essentially floridly psychotic, right, Like, we're hearing things, we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: things that aren't there. Our brains are making up these storylines.
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  Speaker 2: But if we're awake then it's totally normal culturally. I
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  Speaker 2: just find that so interesting and that Yeah, the more
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  Speaker 2: sleep deprived people get, the more likely they are to
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  Speaker 2: have hallucinations. So your brain loses the ability to differentiate
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  Speaker 2: between what is waking and what is sleeping, and you
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  Speaker 2: start hallucinating.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of interesting stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So an EEG.
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  Speaker 2: An electro encephalograph lets us read different brain waves. This
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  Speaker 2: is like how we look for seizures and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: but also gives us a good idea of what areas
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  Speaker 2: of the brain are most active. So scientists have found
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  Speaker 2: that while you are dreaming, your brain waves look very
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  Speaker 2: similar to the brain waves of being awake, because for
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  Speaker 2: years and years and years people thought like, oh, dreaming
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  Speaker 2: is just like you shut your brain off and it
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  Speaker 2: does nothing as you sleep. But EG helps us realize that, no,
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  Speaker 2: your brain's actually super active and the most active. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's very opposite of what we thought for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: And the most active part of sleep is that REM sleep,
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  Speaker 2: your rapid eye movement sleep, and it actually looks a
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  Speaker 2: lot like somsleep brain wave wise, looks a lot like
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  Speaker 2: being completely awake.
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  Speaker 1: Some stats in facts related to dreams, So according to
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  Speaker 1: the Winston Medical Center shoutout Winston Medical Center, the average
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  Speaker 1: person has about fourteen hundred one four hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: dreams per year, which is about four per night. The
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  Speaker 1: average person falls asleep in about seven minutes. I would
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  Speaker 1: beg to different just kidding. Some nights as hard man.
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  Speaker 1: Most streams do happen during REM sleep, which is when
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  Speaker 1: our brain waves apparently tend to be particularly active. And
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  Speaker 1: in total, people sleep the equivalent of about one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and twenty two days per year. So some quick math,
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  Speaker 1: that's almost exactly a third. Holy shit, it is a leap.
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  Speaker 1: It is exactly the three. What the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: That's why I think you're making it more complicated than
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  Speaker 2: it has to be.
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  Speaker 3: Like, what about a leap year?
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  Speaker 1: Leap eight? Leap years deserve justice? Okay, some people were
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  Speaker 1: born on February twenty nine. They can only celebrate their
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  Speaker 1: birthday every four years, So that's true. Give me some restract.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if they just took like, because eight
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  Speaker 2: is third eight hours of sleep, so I think they
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  Speaker 2: probably just they probably just did that a third of
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  Speaker 2: your life.
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  Speaker 1: I was so excited I did math quickly.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm with math Honors math over here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Eddie, do you want to do the problem
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  Speaker 1: on the board? No, just get the fucking eighth grader
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  Speaker 1: to do it. Man, you know I can't do this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we had one of those in my class too,
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  Speaker 2: or someone younger than us was in my trigonometry class. Wild,
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  Speaker 2: it's wild.
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  Speaker 3: Good for him. I think he ended up working on
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  Speaker 3: Wall Street.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, well so he's doing great better than not.
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  Speaker 2: So I was gonna ask the question on the podcast
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  Speaker 2: do animals dream?
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  Speaker 3: And I know for a.
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  Speaker 2: Fact I see my snooz great movie to hangover, But
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  Speaker 2: have you seen a dog dream before?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when they're just like twitching and like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pretty obvious answer. Dogs like to sleep. My
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  Speaker 2: dog likes to Uh. It looks like she rides a
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  Speaker 2: motorcycle in her sleep because she'll like twist her hand
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  Speaker 2: like this.
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  Speaker 1: It's so cute.
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  Speaker 2: So we like to think she's riding choppers in her dreams.
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  Speaker 2: So it's curious what animals sleep the most. And the
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  Speaker 2: animal at the top of the list that I found
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  Speaker 2: was Koala's. Koalas actually sleep eighteen to twenty two hours
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  Speaker 2: per day.
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  Speaker 1: Damn. Kind of right around the same same amount of time.
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  Speaker 1: We have brown baths twenty hours per day.
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  Speaker 2: And we got possums or opossums, depending on where you
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  Speaker 2: were raised, they sleep for about eighteen hours per day,
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  Speaker 2: which is a lot. I've actually got to see a
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  Speaker 2: possum and oh my h I scared the crap out
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  Speaker 2: of it because you didn't see me coming and I
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  Speaker 2: snuck up on sleeping.
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  Speaker 3: No, he was just walking along the fence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you caught it during the time. Wow, look at that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was away.
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  Speaker 1: Some other notables that Justin was able to find. Dogs
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  Speaker 1: they sleep around ten hours per day, Horses about two
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  Speaker 1: to three elephants around three hours, and then dolphins sleep
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  Speaker 1: for eight hours and actually they let half their brains
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  Speaker 1: sleep out of time. How okay? There If there is
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  Speaker 1: a water animal, a dolphin, perhaps a fish, a shark,
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  Speaker 1: and they're sleeping and they just flown around, is that
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  Speaker 1: like what I think?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I think what's going on is the like the cortex,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: like the thinking part of the brains is what sleeps,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: but a lot of the brain stem functions they still
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: go because like sharks need to move to get water
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: through their gills while they're sleeping, so they still you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: are moving while they're sleeping, but they're kind of they're
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: bumping off. And I think, what what dolphins can do?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And at this point I will admit I'm just completely
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: making this up, but I.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Believe you on I will take nobody else's answer.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: If if truly half of the brain is like shut
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: off and sleeping, you think would cause some problems. But
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you know, there is a huge connection and multiple different
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: connections in the brain, Like the corpus colossum is a
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: part of the brain that communicates the most. So I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: think essentially it just it lets one side rest but
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: can still control some of the other sides from the
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: side that's still awake. I think that's what's going on.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, let's take that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I will admit that as a guess.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, educated guess, yes. Educated.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So one of the things we wanted to talk about
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: we found fascinating when writing this episode is we wanted
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to talk about some of the best ideas that have
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: ever come from dreams. And this is according to one
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: of our favorite sources. Give a shout out to Reader's
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Digest r d D because we've got so much of
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: our sources from Readers Digest, but they actually were able
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to cite their sources and say where they learned all
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: this stuff. So I liked this article like that Einstein's
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: theory of relativity, so that came to him in a dream,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: which is pretty fascinating. One of the most influential scientific
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: theories and equations ever in human history. One of the
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: best ways that I've heard that he described it was
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: like touching a hot stove feels like it lasts forever,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: but touching a beautiful woman feels like it only lasts
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a split second. And that's basically the theory of relativity.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Einstein, You dirty dog, dirty dirty. Next, we have the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: periodic table of elements from Dmitri Mandliev got that one right.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I'd been working on how to classify the elements for
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: three days, so he decided to sleep on it, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: when he woke he wrote this in his diary. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: saw in a dream a table where all the elements
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: fell into place as required awakening. I immediately wrote it
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: down on a piece of paper. Men Leive then wrote
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: more in his diary, only in one place did action
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: later seemed necessary wild He woke up and got the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: whole thing.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that crazy?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Up next, we have the sewing machine, which the inventor,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you already know this is Elias Howe. He
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: had a dream about being attacked by cannibals and at
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the same time he was trying to figure out how
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to make a sewing machine actually work. And so then
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the spears of the cannibals helped him realize that he
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: needed to have the thread of the needle will go
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: through the needle itself, and that's how he came up
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: with the needle for the sewing machine.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: All right, I'll tell you alrighty good for him?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah. Next, we have the model of the atom.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So you know that typical picture of Adam that we
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: think with the big spheres around it by string like electrons,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that's Neil's boor he got that from his.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Dream, Yes, he was like science and physics people tend
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to get a lot of their best ideas from dreams,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: but also musicians such as Paul McCartney and when he
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: was at the Beatles, he wrote the song Yesterday and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: apparently he woke up from a dream with the tune
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: in his head. He didn't have the lyrics yet, so
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: he actually came up with those later, which I would
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: say is arguably the best part of that song. But yeah,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the tune came to him in a dream.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Isn't that why.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: The book Frankenstein written by Mary Shelley, she got the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: idea from Frankenstein from a lucid dream that she had.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Lucid dreaming, right, is that when you're like a sleep
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: but then like you can kind of control what's going
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: on in your dream. Am I making that up? Or
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: is that something different?
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: That's absolutely a lucid dream where you can control the dream.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I used to get those all the time, but I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: haven't too much lately, so hoping they come back because
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: they're a lot of fun.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: There's something else about Frankenstein and Mary Shelley that like
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: they tried not giving her credit for it is how
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it was because like a woman, Yeah, and she was
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: like really young at the time compared to like when
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I was written, Like there was there's something I remember
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: listening to a podcast that basically talked about like the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: actual history of Frankenstein, and they were basically just trying
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to discredit, like there's no way a woman could have
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: written this, by God, but I don't. I don't know.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You're looking it up, just googling it quickly. Yeah, she
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: did publish it anonymously, oh yeah, credited later in a
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: French translation, but not seeing any misogynist reasons as of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: yet here.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: We could just assume the misogyny. I think that's fair.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was eighteen twenty, so clearly there
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: was gonna.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Be some misogyny.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Which is your reminder to locate or donate to your
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: local women's fund. Next up, we have the song I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Can't Get No Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones and Keith Richards,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: the guitar player for The Stones, in an NPR interview said,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I go to bed as usual with my guitar. I
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: wake up the next morning and I see that the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: tape is run to the very end, and I think, well,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. Maybe I hit a button while
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I was asleep, So I put it back to the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: beginning push play, and there, in some sort of ghostly version,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is the opening lines to satisfaction. It was a whole
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: verse of it. And after that there's forty minutes to
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: be snoring, and then there's the song in its embryo,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and I actually dreamt the damn thing.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Where did you get that clip of the interview?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Oh? You know that was that was from the NPR
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: clip at the interview itself.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, that's so cool that we could do
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the clip the audio in our podcast.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It sounds a lot younger than he does, but I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh was it Darlin? Who was the one
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that was on like the galopokos? Darling, let's go, I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: just be remembering shit sometimes, shout out mister lewis my
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: biology teacher anyway, So well, darn takes most Darwin takes
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: most of the credit. There's a man named Alfred Russell
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: who's part of it? And it was in a dream
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: that he realized that species evolved to fit their environment.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Was it finches on the Galapagos? Or am I making
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that part up?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, it's finches and iguana's.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Knowledge all right, now, it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Don't mean a trivia shade you here. Do you remember
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the name of his boat that he traveled on.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, the fucking uh uh ss Eileen close.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It's Club HMS Beagle. And also something that I've heard
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: about Darwin was that he had terrible gas like.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I might want to look this on up. Okay, Darwin,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: word for it? Man, Did Darwin have gas? Oh? Alright, well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: even according to Google AI, there is no specific evidence
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: that he had gas in the common sense of them.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: So don't believe everything you hear out there, kids, Darwin
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: was not a gassy man.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that ten minutes ago, but now I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: have now have my doubts he might have been.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So now the real most important discovery ever from a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: dream was the author Stephanie Meyer came up with the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Twilight series from her dream. So she had a dream
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: where two young lovers were sitting in a meadow and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the boy was shimmering in the sunlight. The boy wanted
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to love the girl, but he also wanted to eat
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the girl, and that led to seventy million copies of
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the book being sold.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And three hundred and eighty million.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Dollars of ticket sales at the box office. So thank
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you Dreams. Thank you Stephanie Meyer. You're doing the Lord's
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: work out there.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you something about Twilight. Okay. There's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this like butterfly effect discussion that pops up on Reddit
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: like every six months, and so this is okay, so
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: let me okay. Basically nine to eleven led to fifty
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Shades of Gray Twilight and my chemical romance. Have you
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: ever heard this?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I have not, but now you got me.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I'm curious, So okay, I found one on here that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I think explains this. I'll do my best to like
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to go okay. So, basically, fifty Shades of Gray started
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: out as a self insert like a fan fiction of Twilight.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So Twilight caused fifty Shades of Gray. Basically, the E. L. James,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the author, wrote a fan fiction involving Edward Like as
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the main character, but Like turned it into Christian Gray
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: or whatever his name was, and it became very popular,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and it was you know, edited to kind of take
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: out the Twilight references, but it was That's basically how
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: fifty Shays a Great came. But Stephanie Meyer wrote Twilight
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: because she was inspired by her own crush of Gerard Way,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: who was the lead singer of My Chemical Romance. Right,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that's kind of where that started. But fifty Shades of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Gray was created because he was living in New York
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: City when nine to eleven happened, and to help him
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: process the trump and the grief of living through that event,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: he began writing songs and then formed the band later
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: My Chemical Romance.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Weird.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all connected love Triangle for the Stars.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I got nothing else after that, No, yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, I guess we do have a quick discussion question
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to mention too, that a lot of
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: sleep medicines prevent your brain from entering rem sleep. They
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: change your sleep architecture. So if there's a way to
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: fall asleep without medicines, that tends to be the preferred way.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: A lot of people really rely on them, and a
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: lot of people can't sleep without them. But so much
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: of our society and our culture these days is bad
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: for our sleeps, bad for our sleep. That we work
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: too hard, we drink too much caffeine throughout the day,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: we're stressed, we're on our phones at night, we're on screens.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: There is some thought it's nearly impossible to measure this,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: but it seems like people are dreaming less because we're
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: sleeping less. We tend to have more rem sleep towards
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the end of our sleep cycle.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And so the fact that we all are all sleeping
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: less collectively, we're getting less quality of sleep and getting
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: less rempsleep that we might be dreaming less. And so
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: so that might be why we are not solving the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: world's problems anymore.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Who knows? It could be we're not spending the third
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: of the day sleeping. Yeah. I'm actually giving a health
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: class presentation tomorrow about social media, Internet and internet, social
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: media and phone use, and part of it is talking
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: about like loss of sleep because of it. Yeah, it's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: impacting a lot of people. Okay, before we leave, I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: have to ask you this because when you put dreams
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: on here, I figured i'd ask a medical doctor. Have
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you ever heard of when people if you drink apple
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: juice or eat an apple before you go to sleep.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: You have vivid dreams because of one of the chemicals
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that's in the apple.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there's certain foods that you can eat, Yeah,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: can influence this the kind of intensity of your dreams.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Plus certain foods can also make you more likely to
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: have lucid dreams too.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, this shit's real. I've done it before. Crazy
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: wild Yeah, dreams that I've had when I like drink
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: apple just before going to sleep.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for some reason, pizza gives me weird dreams too.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Oh I have to try that.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just got to eat a bunch of pizza before.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Well, to all our listeners, we hope you're
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: able to get some good sleep tonight and you're able
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to have a dream. And feel free to let us
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: know if you remember your dream, because I know sometimes
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: people have a hard time remembering their dreams. As always,
• 31:26
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• 31:29
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• 31:31
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• 31:38
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• 31:39
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• 31:42
  Speaker 1: enjoy all the comments and messages and stuff we get.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much for falling along. Shout out
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to my students. I never told you this. I finally
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: told my students that we have a podcast. Shout out.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: If you're listening and you made it to the end,
• 31:54
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• 31:58
  Speaker 1: as always, take care of all mentals.
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