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The Power of Team Dynamics - NFL Week 15 Episode · Off the Bench - London

• speaker-0 (00:17.134) Ladies and gentlemen, you are now tuned in to Off the Bench London. With your host Malcolm the milkman no well it's got the visionary home only at the clubhouse Where the game never stops? 450 pints half-price wings massive screens and the best staff in the city Don't forget to like and subscribe YouTube Spotify Instagram You get your pod jobs fixed. We the boys have been running the town, debate that. Giving our jerseys life lessons, you can take that. Every Monday night that ritual for sacred. Big screen dreams, we made it at the basement. speaker-0 (01:26.758) You're rocking with Off the Bench London! Brought to you by 100 Kellogg Lane! speaker-1 (01:48.718) We're back for another week. This is different though. This is different. We're not in the sim or anything like that, we're just in the night's room. Yeah, it's nice. It's a nice night. It's quiet. speaker-0 (02:01.198) No background noises, people not walking by, but. I like you just didn't want to wear your pigeon shirt in public. No, I'll go out there and show everyone the picture. Because I thought that's what you were talking about. This is different. Now, might as well have the room, show off the shirt and the sweater that you can get online. Go Pidgeons, go. speaker-1 (02:28.45) Hey, I mean I guess you can't say that this week. slapped around the Raiders a little bit. Yeah, do you expect any different? Yeah, well, mean, no, but... That was a floor mat. Yeah, we're talking about professionals here It was a Kenny Pickett revenge game. That went exactly like you'd it would. speaker-0 (02:50.04) Good old Kenny Pickett, I miss him. Well, he's got a Super Bowl ring. Yeah, I will forever be connected to the Eagles, so. That's all that matters. At some point, yeah, because he did play in that game too. He had like one or two plays in the Super Bowl. yeah. That's so funny. When you're winning so much that you can put your backup in in the Super Bowl just to be like speaker-0 (03:08.994) Again. speaker-0 (03:21.516) Might as well give them a We rest our starters for next year. speaker-1 (03:28.738) Yeah. Let's try that. Get him a couple Super Bowl snaps. right? Hey, it also helps like for negotiations. I played in the Super Bowl. I say how long, at least I played. That's true. We will trade you a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Right? He's got experience in the Super Bowl. That's, I mean, I feel like that's kind of one of those things that like. speaker-1 (03:58.604) Some people play all nervous when they're in championship games or in games with a lot on the line. And I've always heard the saying, hey guys, act like we've been here before. Kenny Pickett's been there. He didn't get them there, but he was there. He was in the group project and he got the A. Did he do anything? You don't have to. Yeah, he's present. speaker-1 (04:23.756) debatable but yeah you know what it is it is what it is there is a lot that happened this week though like it's we're getting into crunch time This is what it is. speaker-0 (04:34.286) a lot. and the amount of teams that are fighting for playoff spots that are... Wow, I mean, it's weird because the AFC and the NFC are totally different. Like this week, like a bunch of teams got eliminated from the AFC playoffs. NFC, it is still wide open. Yes. speaker-0 (04:59.694) kinda. I mean there's a lot of teams fighting for winning their division, jockeying for position, but like the AFC is fairly set. Yes. There's not going to be too too much movement. Yeah, we shouldn't be shocked with anything coming up from the AOC. lot of teams are playing and some teams are losing. And it's like, what? You're losing to them? Like, how? Yeah, I think some of it has to do with looking too far ahead. Like there's certain teams you lose, like that's when we talk about like those making your layups. It's because people aren't, they're overlooking the first step. You have to still win. It's like when players drop a pass because they're already, their heads turn, already half looking downfield. Or, well here's another example, like. speaker-1 (06:04.718) You ever play pool? When you're trying to, yes you're trying to make the ball, but you're also trying to set up your next shot. When you're trying to, you're thinking too much about setting up your next shot, you're assuming that first one is already in. And then you don't make the first one, you're like, well. Yeah. speaker-0 (06:12.427) Exactly. speaker-0 (06:26.126) There goes that ball. Well, I guess you could also say like for some of these teams this week, a lot of them were already eliminated from the playoffs. So they were playing with house money. It didn't matter to them. Some of them are. They can, you know, spoil somebody else's dream. And there was definitely one game that I was a little shocked that the outcome came out the way it did. And all I'm going to preference right now is nine. Yeah, I guess I'm out. speaker-0 (06:56.143) man, like, yeah, we'll get into that, like, wow. Yeah, that was an interesting one. speaker-1 (07:11.061) I realize it was against the Cowboys, but yeah Yeah, you know what? Give me that un status, it's fine. Yeah, I'll take the un status. Showing your age, man. I'm losing the fun one. Yeah, you're gonna, the next Philip Rivers over here. speaker-0 (07:30.894) Man! Talk about a week. Talk about a week. can't believe he came in on like a week's notice. Less than a week. Last of the week. And well, From sitting on his couch to starting a game against one of the top defenses. speaker-0 (07:53.678) when And almost winning. The other team needed a fuel goal to beat him. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with the Seahawks. We'll get into that after. We've got something's going on. Okay, we should. speaker-0 (08:09.085) Yeah. All right. Well, we want to say shout out to Clubhouse. I know we're not actually in Clubhouse, but we are in 100 Cal right now. It's yeah. Clubhouse adjacent. I walked through the clubhouse door to get here. Yeah. Building. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we still got our powerhouse beers. can still get it. You're half price wings, 450 pints powerhouse all day. You know what I mean? If you have like a work gig that you need to get through, you and a bunch of your coworkers can rent one of these spaces as well during the day. Get some little bit of catering to you guys and you got like we have a TV over here that you can set up so you guys can have like your board meetings and so forth. Great play. speaker-1 (08:48.43) There's lots of different spaces in here. So like you could have your meetings, but there's also spaces for everyone to like go work by themselves. So you're not stuck in a room together. Like you can go have a nice enjoyable lunch. Do some of the million things. Did you say lobster? I thought you said get lobster. was like. Yeah, well. speaker-0 (09:05.356) I need some officer. Well, actually, a few weeks ago they did do lobster. So you're thinking of that. Tons of options though, tons of options. see, okay. Yeah. speaker-1 (09:19.852) Nah, I just want lobster. It's weird. I like shrimp better than king crab. Food. But early topic today. Yeah. speaker-1 (09:28.086) It's be King. speaker-1 (09:35.714) Yeah, let's talk about what we're thinking. How relationships and sports are connected. sports are connected. Yeah, no, honestly, like I think we can talk about this in preference to a degree where it's just like. how people are want to be on a team. Exactly. feel like life is all about that connection and everybody wants to be part of a team whether it's, you go to school the first time, what do you want to do? You want to meet some friends. want to join your group, make your team, then you start playing sports. Or even that, you're put in a class that becomes your team. Yes. Yeah, you're great as your team, speaker-1 (10:28.674) Yeah, you start playing sports, you've got the team atmosphere there and I think being part of a team is always something that makes you think about something bigger than yourself. There's a lot of people that are going through things all on their own and they don't have a team to pump them up, to help build them up. to help motivate them because when it comes down to it all of us are the average of the people we're surrounded. for sure, 100%. So whether it's the people you work with, whether it's the people you see outside of work, whether it's sports teams, whether it's your own personal relationships, even your family. Yeah, exactly. But if they're all building you up and you're trying to, because nobody wants to be the weakest link on any team, There is always one. Yes, well that's your first team. Right? speaker-0 (11:30.936) There's always one though. Yep. Nobody wants to be that guy. Nobody wants to be that So that makes you want to strive for greatness, strive to be better. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's the hope, That's the hope of the team, maybe not individually, but like 100%, you know, as a team, you want to build each other up. You want to make sure that everyone has an opportunity, has an equal say, and someone that you can rely on. And I think like when you view like relationships, teams, a lot of fans of sports, it's like we may not be playing the sport, for example, like we're talking about football. We may not even be on the pitch or on the field when our team is going for that drive, but we share that commonality of trying to be better overall. I might be, you're a Bengals fan, I'm an Eagles fan. But like, you know. We have lots to strive to be better at. speaker-0 (12:42.454) Obviously we were going on losing streak. You know, your friends are noticing that you're a little bit down because your team's not doing as well. You know, you see them, playing the Raiders this week and now you get that extra boost of like, no, we're playing the Raiders. We better not lose. But I want to like get a few of my friends. We're to go watch the game. Now we're all in like a really good mood. Just watching someone else strive for greatness. I mean, when you say, yes, I get it, as fans you have nothing to do with the outcome of the game, well you kind of do. Because you see all these games where, well for example, if at the end of the game the entire stadium is chanting fire your coach, the running might just start beyond the walls. Because they want to, at the end of the day, they're doing this. No. 100%. speaker-1 (13:38.604) because they want to impress their fans. And when fans buy merchandise, go to the games, that's contributing to the pool of money they have to distribute to the players. So in a roundabout way, you are kind of... Contributing to the team aspect. No, 100%. You're right. right. No, like how you said that. And you're not wrong. I guess like the Like yes, you're on the sidelines, but you're still doing something because if well if speaker-1 (14:17.806) While you're married, if Steph is always pumping you up telling you, you got this, you're amazing, you're gonna go crush it. You're like, you walk around with your chest out and you're like, you know what, I got it. But I mean, not that she ever would do this, but like if she was just always like down on you all the time, you'd be like, oh man, I can't do this. You like being a leaf fan? Sorry. Yeah, exactly. But that affects you. It's in the back of your head all the time. That's why it's nice when you have people that are behind you, have your team behind you, that are always like helping you, pumping you up, gassing you up a little bit. not like that, no. Then you always get the odd sheep where you have the realistic person on every team. It's true. But sometimes you need that too. It's part of that whole team dynamic. Because if we're like, yeah, we're so amazing. Our co-ed rec soccer team could totally beat Liverpool. Yeah, we believe in ourselves. Well, settle down. Be realistic. speaker-0 (15:11.459) Yeah. speaker-0 (15:28.59) Like hold down hold down. Yeah No, no, you're right, but Now definitely like I think a lot of people who do get into sports Want that sense of connection? Yeah, whether it's through a TV screen live at the game What just brings people together? Yeah, even at the water table, know, or like when we're all getting our coffees at work, you know, we can talk about the game and it's like, you know, a form of connection. Like you're breaking the ice with a coworker who, you know, they might be a Leaf fan, I might be a Calgary Flames fan. You know, we might play last night or whatever and we have that conversation just like, you know, my team beat you blah, blah, blah. Or, you know, a person from my team gets traded to their team. It's like, oh, yo, actually you got a really great player. You may not know. but I've been following this person for so long and then that builds that connection. Well, yeah, it gives you something, something common to talk about whether it like, I, you know how you build those super strong bonds with people from people from work because you're working on the same problems all the time. So you, you know exactly what the other person's going through. It's the same thing with sports. Like if you were to run into a random Eagles fan on the street, you could talk to them for hours. speaker-0 (16:55.662) but it was a will first off off on the one I ran into one of the Six Bengals fans in the city. You have more than six. That's true. There actually is a shocking amount. Actually, like, Bengals fans, y'all were huge when Carson Palmer was your QB. Everyone loved it when he was your QB at one point. And then obviously you had Andy Dalton. speaker-1 (17:19.384) Red rocket, yeah. And then now you got Burrow and he's not having fun right now. Yeah, think, I don't think he's going anywhere. But because of his relationships with everybody. See, so for y'all who don't know, last Wednesday he had a press conference and he was saying that, you know, he wasn't having fun playing football anymore. And a lot of people perceive that as maybe he was talking about head office or due to the fact that he's been, you know, dealing with injuries and so forth, that, you know, it's not fun for him anymore. So a lot of people speculated that it was like Andrew Luckish. But then Jamar Chase was like thinking it was AI. So it's like, I, me personally, I'm listening to all of this and I'm like, what's his relationship with his team right now? Cause he fought to keep T Higgins and Jamar Chase on the team. Those are his guys. speaker-1 (18:06.316) Yeah, I don't think I don't speaker-1 (18:23.982) Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. Like, that's his team. That's his team. And it like... but I think he's also... out of character so maybe he needs to like rely back onto his team. I know he's frustrated because the Bengals are terrible at scouting. speaker-0 (18:41.656) Whoa, okay. I'm terrible at scouting. When it comes to drafting, it's hard to draft the right person. Yeah, but they take some reaches and not all like they Because they don't have a big scouting team. Okay, it's not as good as it could be and he's having to make Make calls and they're asking him. What's your opinion on this? like to an extent he's like I Just want to go be able to come have fun. I want to enjoy what I'm doing. I don't want it to all be on me if that be able to just be, I'm a quarterback, I'm not a GM. You're the GM, you shouldn't be asking me, do you think this guy or this guy's better? And you're not wrong. But. speaker-0 (19:42.35) You know, I'm looking at like a other teams patch my homes. You know what mean? Like, like I feel bad from what happened yesterday, honestly, but like him and Burrow kind of remind me of each other. It's just. Yeah. Kansas City has a better front office. Better front office, they took the right risk. They sat him for longer. So basically Patrick Mahomes sat for a full year before he actually got the keys to the kingdom. But they built off of the wide receiver core, the tight end core and so forth. And then because of their dominance, we're able to build the defense off of it. Where Bengals right now, Yeah. speaker-1 (20:28.792) Defenses and shambles. 100%, but it was like. Hey, at least now they have a whole off season plus three weeks to sort that. But like, also look at it from this, like, from the start of this year to now, your own line is so much better. It has. It's improved quite a bit. speaker-0 (20:50.712) For the past few years, all we've been talking about is get him some O-line. We didn't care about their defense, just get him an O-line. But in the preseason, he tweaked his ankle, he tweaked his wrist, he got an illness. He is injury-prone. maybe he's not talking to his team and building those necessary relationships to raise his morale. And that's a little of my concerns that's going on right now. Like, we're Patrick the Mahhommes. It's like, the season, it hasn't been going well. And like for the past two weeks, if karma is a B, because Rashid Rice has been getting hit and run all these past two weeks. I mean, hard hits. Good. karma. But I look at that as just like overall, it's like the team demeanor is still there. Even like when Patrick Mahomes did go down with his ACL, the morale was still there. They understood the reality of what's going on. Obviously they're out of the playoffs, but they know that they have a formula how they can get back in and you know, all the distractions might have to be gone by next year. The car is right. speaker-1 (22:07.97) Hmm, I don't think they'll ever not be distractions with Kansas City. I think someone's gonna retire next year or at the end. I think that his he's gonna be the biggest distraction gone. Honestly, Kelsey kind of should have to retire if I was him. You're still at the top of your game. You may not make it to the playoffs, but Well, yeah, yeah, probably. speaker-1 (22:33.262) mean, if I was him, I would be seriously thinking about retiring. You have everything. Yes, you still have, love the game, love the atmosphere, but at the same time, you still have your health. To be able to go in, battle, week in, week out, and be able to come out still with a good head on your shoulders without any crazy injuries. Yes. speaker-1 (23:09.28) It's not like he's gonna fall off the map. No, no, he's funny, he's built his new teams. He has his podcast now. He's got his wife that he's got to focus on. I mean, his team, like you said, first team, family. Yeah. And maybe it's time for him to pivot and focus on building a new team or expanding his team. He can always be a part of the organization, but maybe it's now time for him to like pass his wisdom down and, you know, be a good teammate. And being a good teammate also and like is knowing when to fold it up and being like, I am actually being a hindrance, hindrance to the team. You can't always be the number one guy. Sometimes you have to realize, like see the reality and go, okay, now I'm a role player. speaker-0 (24:00.758) Or sometimes you just, you know, we're a podcast and we say, get off the bench. Sometimes you need to get someone else off the bench and you take that spot. And that's how you become a really good teammate. That's how you build great relationships. And you see a lot of that in the NBA. You know, you see stars come out all the time, you know, dominating, but then, you know, they got a little bit older and maybe it's to be a role player, be that sixth person because someone else may be able to do something that you can't do anymore. Yeah, feel like I don't know we're starting to see LeBron do that now too Yes, he's taking a big step back because he's like, I don't need to be the number one guy at that high level. speaker-0 (24:37.614) kinda. speaker-0 (24:43.416) Well, it's funny because we talk about LeBron, we're talking about Kelsey right now. Another thing that just happened this weekend, yeah, I'm a bit of a nerd as well, is John Cena officially retired from the WWE. And the new era is coming into the WWE. Now, not necessarily sports, it's drama, but they're athletic. Yeah, 100%. It's an athletic soap opera. As long as you know you understand it for what it is, it's a great thing. They're now kicking off to a next generation. My generation's almost done. Like Randy Orton's like one of my top guys that I always loved. But I always loved John Cena. Roman Reigns is now part time in the show. They have Cody Reigns. I can't really get on that. I haven't watched enough of it in long time. I know all the old guys who are talking about them. Now they're getting to like, you know, that the new guys are coming in and like one huge name that's kind of been like being put dramatically. It's like Joe Hendry say his name. Yeah. So they've been pumping him. So he's going to be definitely the huge baby face for the WWE. They have this new guy called Obi Femi. He's going to be the new Brock Lesnar. You know what mean? They don't have in my eyes the next Undertaker. Yeah, but they don't necessarily need it. speaker-0 (26:05.934) LA nights another great example where he kind of reminds you of Stone Cold Steve Austin in The Rock. I mean, feel like there was an era of wrestling when it was less athletic and like crazy stunts and more gimmicks. And that was fun. Like that was also funny when everyone was like, it's not real. Like, obviously it's not real. Do you seriously think people could get in that kind of a physical altercation? In some of cases, it's crafted art. Exactly. But like like I'm saying it's like some of these old wrestlers know that they can't give the same performance Yeah, so they're understanding that you know for me to be a good teammate for me to have good relationships with the fans, you know Exactly. Yeah, and I think we're seeing a lot more in that as we get older We're starting to see because you know, we're football fans and we're seeing like the torch being passed down Tom Brady retired just a few years ago and then speaker-1 (26:59.768) need to pass it on. speaker-0 (27:14.808) Patrick Maroon Holmes got the torch. For 10 years since he's been this dominant, and now we're gonna see someone else take that torch. And I'm wondering, who's the new guy gonna be starting that legacy? It's hard to say. It's still too early. I feel like Caleb Williams is doing pretty well right now. know. I know. maybe it's just Ben Johnson. It's a lot of Ben Johnson. he's holding it together. Drake May is going I can't believe you said that. speaker-0 (27:44.054) It is been done. speaker-0 (27:50.944) Okay, yeah, I can get behind with Drake man. Yeah I will there's a lot more to see with Jayden Daniels, Jackson Dart, like some of the rookies you're like you have no idea. It's still too early. But, Yeah, there's a few. Like, there's some middle of the ground guys, but hey, maybe the new era is grandfathers in the NFL. speaker-0 (28:20.974) Philip Rivers lord. just bring him back a timeless classic. But that game kind of just showed, like, we'll get into it in a bit anyway, but it kind of shows you how hard the NFL is. color. speaker-0 (28:39.02) Yes. Like, you see him, he's like, he's a Hall of Famer. He will be in the Hall of Fame at some point. This just reset the clock, so it's gonna take even longer. He said he's insured his policy for his kids. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. He's just, he's out there looking after his team. His team of 12. him, his wife, and kids. speaker-1 (29:00.622) 10 kids. Which is amazing because it's all with one. I just wonder if he has a TV at home. Because, you know, that's very Catholic of him. You Yeah, was just... Very Catholic. All right, let's get into some football. speaker-1 (29:25.464) That Thursday night game though, holy. Atlanta versus Tampa. I don't think anybody would have picked ATL to win against Tampa. Like, I don't think anyone would have thought of Man, some of these teams are just weird though. Like Atlanta... They're playing for nothing. They're playing with house money of This is just spoiling other people's good time. speaker-0 (29:46.136) Like, they're basically just saying, hey, Carolina, we'll give you an opportunity. Yeah, Mike Evans was pissed after the game. Well, roughly so. I would be too. the ball came back from the big injury and they're trying to make the playoffs and can't beat the falcons They got Kyle Pitts just like everyone else showing up and making everyone a believer again so the next year you drop them and then these screws you over. speaker-1 (30:10.424) This is what I'm saying. It's going to ruin everybody. Everyone's going to hate him next year. Just watch. He's going to get every, everyone that has him, everyone that started him, they're moving on to the next round because he crushed it for them. Yeah, bench him Yeah. Like he's not doing it. Next week is going to be like one catch for like negative. You speaker-0 (30:34.286) Very fraudulent. I mean, I'll believe it when you see, he's actually had a good, like, three, four weeks. True. Yeah, last three weeks. I think my wife had him in fantasy and I think she's gonna win this week. She had no business being in the playoffs and now she's moving on because of Kyle Pitts. Good for her though. Yeah, I know, I'm so salty about it. speaker-1 (30:53.25) Yeah, I know. That's rude. Not good for her. I mean, it- Yeah, that's fair. I got a cheer on my team. All right. We can talk about the next game Cleveland and Chicago. Hey, Sheduer is back down to earth for sure. He had a password rating of like 30. You didn't play well. speaker-1 (31:23.234) He is back to being your standard Browns quarterback. Yeah, but it was pretty bad overall. It wasn't just him. Yeah, the defense wasn't doing what they normally do. Defense didn't do enough. Jerry Judy should never be a number one receiver. But it wasn't even like that Chicago was beating them in one dimension. They were running on them. They were passing them. Once that opened up everything, couldn't, the Browns couldn't do anything. Miles Garrett got one and a half sacks though, so he's, he's what, like one sack away? speaker-0 (32:00.89) 21, 21 and a half socks. Yeah, so he's like one sack away from tying the record. Yeah, just wild. There's like three more games. So I feel like that's entirely possible. Plus, in the last week, they play against the Bengals. Just kind of disappointing, but. Good for him. speaker-0 (32:22.99) Well, hopefully Bengal shut that burrow for the rest of the year. They won't. They're just gonna wanna play. They should. He should be shut down. Yes and no, I feel like- Your playoff hopes are done. Shut down. speaker-1 (32:37.08) Yeah, but there's still the building team chemistry. You're getting reps in. For what? Baltimore versus Cincinnati. 24 for Baltimore, 0 for Cincinnati. For the fans. speaker-1 (32:58.158) Yeah, I know it sucks, but... So if you are a fan of a team and you are finally able to go buy tickets to a game, would you like to see your favorite player play? 100%. speaker-0 (33:13.26) I what you're saying, okay. speaker-1 (33:19.274) If they shut him down with three weeks left in the season. Knowing his history, I would not go to the game. Me personally, if I was a Cincinnati fan right now and I had those tickets, I may not go for Borrow I may go for seeing what the future has now because... No, the future has broke. But I just know how injury prone he is. Just me being a standard fan, also seeing that he hasn't started it full season. He's never actually finished of real season since the days he was in the Super Bowl. Okay, let's flip it. If I were to be like... speaker-0 (33:56.053) I'm Listening speaker-1 (34:01.388) and i'll tell me that i had two tickets to a an eagles game the eagles are going to play out so Saquon Barkley is sitting out so still hurts you'd like you want to go is that what is that what you'd say or would you be all right goes I'll be like, they're playing? Because I know the other team is going to go all full out. True. That's my mindset. Knowing the team that I'm actually going to be cheering for may not be full strength. Their opponent may be at full strength and need those points. And then you can see the backups trying to make a contract contribution for next season. Yeah, but at the same time, they play for the fans. So like, if I'm only ever gonna see one game of my entire life. speaker-0 (34:47.99) understand. speaker-0 (34:53.59) Okay, yeah, yeah. It's like the NBA thing with load management. Yeah. Yeah. Like I get it, players get injured. It's a big thing, but like, you don't want, nobody wants to be playing meaningless football. But at the same time, it's for the fans. That's the meaning. Okay, so. Otherwise you have teams that are like, okay, well, why did the Giants even play the entire year? Well, I look at it from this perspective, and like I'm skipping ahead a little bit. If I was the Minnesota Vikings, I definitely want to start my rookie because that's playing experience for him. Knowing that I don't have a lot of tape on him, I can build an offensive plan that will work for him next year. We kind of have a lot of tape on Burrow and that's what I'm saying. It's just like the... speaker-1 (35:48.622) You still need to build that set because like he's just got he's gotten used to this O line now. Hopefully the O line stays next year. I'm just hoping he doesn't get injured. Yeah, everyone's always hoping that get Michael Parsons, non-contact. Mahomes. was a little bit of contact. Yeah, it was a tackle. It was a lot of, he just landed awkwardly on his feet, but like. speaker-1 (36:18.996) It could happen to anyone at any time. So, like, well, when I was having problems with my knee, I went to physio and I was told, yeah, you could keep playing. Like, I'm not gonna tell you to stop playing on it because you could, as long as you're doing your exercise, you're trying to improve it. If I say, don't do this, it's just gonna get worse. If he doesn't play, maybe he's gonna lose that. Yeah, exactly. speaker-0 (36:57.388) I'm not saying no workouts though. but you could get hurt doing anything. Especially burrow. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, YouTube. I didn't hear it. Um... Alright, so, so... speaker-1 (37:10.414) Perfect. speaker-0 (37:17.504) Arizona and Houston. 20 to 40. I think Houston is going to make a deep playoff run. Yeah. that defense. Defense wins championships and is starting to show. Yeah, they're definitely playing really well. I think they were up by 20 before the Cardinals had like 10 total yards, which is insane. That's crazy Ridiculous. speaker-1 (37:46.124) And then at that point you're like, we can coast. Like the Texans still do have like some problems on offense, but like you can hide problems on offense. That's what I've been saying about Green Bay, right? Insane defense. you have a good defense, you can make all the risk on offense because you know your defense is going to bail you out Yeah, exactly. And you're going to have good field position all the time, which is huge. They're not trying to go from their own five, they're trying to go from the other team's 45. speaker-0 (38:21.326) I think Arizona is just trying to do whatever they can. They're going to have to rebuild because Kyler's done. Oh yeah, they're 100 % in going in rebuild mode. They gotta fix a few things, like... few things. You think that's a team that's worse than the Bengals right now. If they played, I don't know how it would go. 100 percent. speaker-1 (38:50.435) Be interesting. Yeah. speaker-0 (38:55.818) Actually, we can talk about a team that's even worse than both teams. York Jets versus Jacksonville. Well, the Bengals did lose to them in embarrassing fashion. what you just said is debatable. But the Jets have already packed it in for the season. They packed it in for the season of the trade deadline. They had a fire sale on half their team. If they can draft well... You speaker-0 (39:22.328) That's the hope, right? they can turn it all around, but I don't know. The jets are gonna be the jets. J-E-T-S. think we've talked about this before, they have way too many distractions. But Jacksonville's... Fragile I still say they're fraudulent fraudulent speaker-1 (39:42.254) Think they're fraud? I don't see that's the interesting thing like that division is so interesting right now because it is the Texans, the Jags. Colts Why am I forgetting the last one? There's one that is not even close to being in the playoffs. speaker-0 (40:07.863) Let's Check Jeez, that's embarrassing. speaker-1 (40:17.911) No. Oh, Titans. That's right, because they were non-existent all year. That's why we... Yeah, there it is. There it is, yep. They exist. they were the team that's just trying to learn from each other. speaker-1 (40:33.47) Yeah, they have a lot to build on. The Texans and the Jags are both definitely going to the playoffs. Yeah, Colts needed to win this week to maintain it, I think. No, they've fallen off. They've fallen off. They fell off almost as hard as the Bucs that have. speaker-0 (41:01.528) True? Well, not necessarily, right? Because the cult are even sex. Yeah, I know they're eight and six. Right? Texans are 9 and 5, Jags are 10 and 4. So you take that into consideration. Like, Colt still have a chance to make a wild card spot. or no i was at the sold they still do you have the potential to get in but i think i'd they're gonna struggle with Philip Rivers Yeah. speaker-1 (41:32.386) Like he's got, he might be able to squeak out one or two wins, but I don't think 10 wins is gonna be enough for a wild card slot. I just, with me, with Jax, I just don't see enough. I think that it's had a very easy schedule. 100%. And that's why they're doing well as we think, but I think it's very fraudulent. It's not like Denver where I've been saying, like Denver are fraudulent in my eyes because they played to the competition of who they're playing and there were just one play better than the other team. is a championship mentality like i don't care who are playing will be better speaker-0 (42:12.206) on one play, I'm just worried is that gonna translate back into the playoffs because you know, playoffs is a different beast. Everyone understands their assignments. You're not necessarily getting paid to be in the playoffs. You play for a championship, you play for pride. Now you're gonna be playing teams that are like, okay, now I'm turning it on and I'm just gonna put my foot on the gas pedal and I'm not slowing down. And that's why I'm worried about Jacksonville, because like, they're doing enough. Trevor Lawrence is kind of like nice this year. I'll give him that. Yeah, well, did you see six touchdowns? About five tossing and one rushing? Yeah, speaker-0 (42:53.496) Come playoffs though, can you continue that? i mean six touchdowns in a game is not sustainable but Three. Yeah. Is. So that's just my whole thing. It's just nice to see it's nice to see some of the the teams coming up that you're like that there's been times in the season where you're like This team should be better than this. Mm-hmm, and then they actually play they get it together for a game. You're like nice sure All right, LA Chargers versus Kansas City Chiefs. 16 to 13. Kansas City has officially been eliminated from playoffs. Patrick Mahomes towards ACL. Chris Jones didn't even know at end of the game that they were actually eliminated from playoffs because he was talking to presser saying they still have a chance, not realizing that they were actually eliminated. speaker-1 (43:47.544) That's wild. Well, when you believe in, like, your team can get out of anything, when you have Andy Reed who's been like a- but I mean like not knowing the math. Like I realize other things happen during that that would affect it, but also like. That ain't there. speaker-1 (44:07.362) going in and being like, nah, we need to. Unless the whole team's been like, let's not focus on the negatives, focus on the positives and try to win and not worry about the negative aspect of things. Yeah. There's that possibility. And that's why he didn't know the impact because that can also breed a lot of pressure that could be negative to a team. that one mistake, one play, knocks out of a playoff. Yeah, let's go win. One game at a time. speaker-1 (44:34.818) Yeah, I mean Kansas City, like, we've been, they should be like, guys, we've been here before. But it's been 10 years, this is 10 years since know, Patrick Holmes and Kansas City will not be in the playoffs. 10 years. while I'm not gonna lie, I'm excited to not see them in the Super Bowl. Well, yeah, same. But it's going to be weird not seeing them in the playoffs. Because of them, we've had a lot of rule changes that I like now. Like, both teams get the chance to play or have the ball in overtime. Nice. You know what mean? If it wasn't for Kansas City, we wouldn't have a lot of improvements to the game that we kind of enjoy. I still don't like the new kickoff. you know. Yeah, that's true. speaker-1 (45:11.937) Yeah, that's. speaker-1 (45:21.336) kinda do. I miss like the old days where like Devin Hester used to return every single ball Okay, but that's when people were getting murdered. Blocking was a block. Yeah, but like you're catching the ball while someone is running feed at you. speaker-0 (45:39.256) full speed you and if they miss it could be a touchdown. if they miss. You know. Yeah. Chargers though. Well, they mostly don't mess. Yeah. I mean, I get why they did it. speaker-1 (45:57.08) They're hanging on. man it's It's they need it though because if any fan base, what could I mean if any team needs a fan base it's the Chargers because they don't really have true fans. This is going to build a lot. I could see a lot of... A lot of fans going towards the Chargers just because they like the way Harbaugh does things. Hey, you never know. You might see Sherrone Moore become an NFL coach. speaker-1 (46:33.836) Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's weird for, it must be a strange concept for those college coaches now because it used to be the coach of a college team was loaded, they were the richest person in the organization, and now... Yeah speaker-1 (47:00.034) The coach has four or five players that are getting paid more than him. They're like, that would just be weird. Like I realize that's the reality in the NFL, but like these kids come in with that attitude and you can't talk to them the way they used to. Talk to them like, Yeah, as peers are like. The level of peers, not as a coach. speaker-1 (47:27.82) I'm sure some of the kids get an attitude and they're like... Now we're wondering whose 401k is better. Am I in because I'm your coach or? You're like, listen here coach, I'm gonna play the way I wanna play because I got paid $10 million to come here. I don't know, whatever. I got paid a lot of money to come here, whereas before they were like, yeah, you came here so I can coach you, not you came here for the dollars and the publicity. Yeah. speaker-0 (47:52.078) came here because of you. speaker-0 (47:59.99) and I owe the advantages of it. The one thing and we're staying to this game is it's been three years since Swifties became fans of Kansas City. Swifties understand what it feels like to be an NFL fan. First year they won a Super Bowl, second year they lost the Super Bowl to the Eagles, third year they're not even making playoffs and they're have to rebuild. and disadvantages. speaker-1 (48:10.957) I'll have full ride. speaker-0 (48:27.342) Yeah, you know, mean in three years you got the full experience now you can get off and go to the next adventure but like No offense to Swifties, I get it. That's what it's like to be a fan of a sports team, whether it's like the Blue Jays or an NFL team or a hockey team. The ups and downs, the roller coaster, that's life. What's the whole rush? speaker-1 (48:53.71) It's kind nice that they get to experience that though, because like, yeah. But honestly it was kind of annoying when they all jumped on the bandwagon and then they won immediately and they're like, so quickly though. speaker-0 (49:05.299) god. And then they were right back there and you're like, here we go again. And then the Eagles stomped them, which was really nice. But then this year, we'll see, we'll see how many, it'll be interesting to see how many of them stick. How many of them continue to be part of So they get built, it did probably build a lot of fans. We'll see if he retires. Yeah, it generates so much money. I think a lot of Swifties became a fan of Kansas City or picked a different team because of their partners or vice versa. At very least they learned what the game was. Yes. And are more confident in, I can go sit down with whoever, watch a game, and understand what's happening. speaker-0 (49:40.28) Yes. speaker-0 (49:50.414) The one thing I'll say is because of the Swifties, there is a lot more women playing fantasy sports that actually understand the game. And I applaud Taylor Swift for that. And I can't believe I just said that. I applaud her because it makes it fun. Like, even at work, I talk about football with coworkers that, you before, oh, you talk about football, Bah humbug You know, I'm not interested, X, Y, and Z. But now he's like, oh, did you see this guy? Yeah. speaker-0 (50:20.104) X, Y, Z and you're like what you watch that game What? But yeah. No, that's cool, because then it's no longer just becoming... Yeah. It's not just a sexist sport anymore. It's, you know, everyone's enjoying it. Everyone enjoys the live experience now. speaker-1 (50:39.864) But it's cool, because like... Once everyone gets involved, there's going to be a lot more like watch parties and more more groups of people are gonna be like, hey, we're all watching the game and then you'll see you'll get more people out. It's better. It's good for everybody. And I mean, everyone went out before, but probably half of the people there were like, I don't want to be here. I don't know what's going on. I'm just here because they wanted to be here. now you're like, I actually understand the game. Good for speaker-0 (51:12.544) understand the game and I can also make a mean chili. You know what mean? it's best of both worlds. Yeah. Alright, Buffalo at New England. 35-31. I'm going to say this, Josh Allen looked like he was scared of the cold for the first half. Yeah, then he threw up and he was ready to go. I think Buffalo is ready for the playoffs because they're having that we're never out of it mindset and they're converting on it over and over. speaker-0 (51:49.71) I'm going to say this, because of a lot of the injuries that just happened this week, I wouldn't be surprised if this is your Buffalo wins the superbowl That'd be really sweet. They don't have their arch enemy anymore to worry about. Kansas City is not in it anymore and that was their biggest stepping block. We know Baltimore is not going to get there. Unfortunately, you guys aren't getting in there. Baltimore might Yeah, but you don't really want that. No one does. speaker-1 (52:18.072) They're not playing well enough to... They're not consistent enough. That's. I mean, I realize they beat the Bengals this week, like, they're not, I don't think they're playing like a deep run playoff team. Got a bunch of comments. speaker-1 (52:45.346) Patriots being robbed in Buffalo. speaker-0 (52:51.372) Rob, may I? Can you put up the score of the game that's going on right now? Miami versus the Pittsburgh Steelers. speaker-0 (53:06.296) Can you just let me know what the score is? speaker-0 (53:11.98) Alright, so I'm guessing because obviously we don't have a TV in this room and thank you Rob. Thank you Pest Case Scenario We gotta always appreciate you guys. I'm guessing there's some like massive calls going in this game that we're missing right now. We'll definitely talk about it I think it was a typo. The Patriots got robbed. speaker-1 (53:33.88) I don't think so, we were just talking about the Patriots and Bills. speaker-1 (53:43.694) You're losing me. Okay, okay. Yeah, so yeah, what saying that at a patrons. robbed for referring no calls on clear pass interface. Yeah. I mean, yes, but at the same time, if you're up 21-nothing. they shouldn't be coming back. Yeah, there's no excuse for it. Your defense needs to hold down. You can get a few calls here and there, like at some time, your offense has to get back on that horse. speaker-1 (54:13.762) Yeah. I don't know. speaker-1 (54:20.536) Yeah. I don't know. Let me guess, did you pick the Patriots to win the game and that's why you're frustrated? Yeah. No, he's a 49er fan. Yeah, he's a 49er fan. You're probably a patriot. Yeah. speaker-1 (54:37.774) I think the Bills are gonna probably make a deep run and it's gonna be exciting to watch because they're right down the street from us. Because actually that's crazy to think about. The first game we went to together was a Bills Patriots game in Buffalo. This one was in... This was in New England. was Boston Our first game, was fun because when we went to that game, was December 3rd is when we were at that game. Was it? It was not snowy or that cold. It was cold. It wasn't snowing, but it was cold. It was definitely, and in the year after we went again, it was definitely cold, cold. You didn't go to that game. Yeah. I know you went to that one snow game that was like shovel your seat out. speaker-0 (55:29.368) Yeah, yeah, well, we had to shovel it, so. Well, Bengals did the exact same thing this week. Bengals cleared the field and didn't clean any of the seats and made the fans do it, so. Yeah, which is hilarious. speaker-1 (55:43.726) Yeah, well, I mean, now you're part of the team. But I do think what's happening right now in the NFL is with Patrick Mahomes going down. this league is now turning into the Josh Allen show. As we were talking about who's going to be the new guy. I think it's going to be really interesting if the Patriots play the Bills in the playoffs. That's going to be a really good game. Pat's won the first game, Bills won the second game. Both were close, both were tight. And it's going to be a crazy game. game. All right. Do you guys think this league is now set up for Josh Holland to take over from Patrick Mahomes or we just don't know the next player that's going to do it. speaker-1 (56:38.774) It's hard to say. mean, the AFC is a mess right now. We had a, it was a good run, but I think the NFC finally caught up because they finally got a a few good picks over there. The AFC lucked out for a long time with, like you got Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Mahommes AFC used to be amazing. speaker-1 (57:07.47) Lamar, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, all those quality quarterbacks. that were the top draft pick actually are still the starters and have worked out really well. And then on NFC side, was the Tom Brady show at one point. Now it's not. Yeah. For two years when he did go to Tampa, it was the time. For like two years. speaker-1 (57:34.72) Which is the top radio show of the AFC. Yeah, but then but there was parody in the NFC Yeah. Well, I mean, when he went there, that division was a mess. Because with like the Bucks, the Saints, Cara, the Panthers, why is it every division I can never remember the fourth team? Falcons. Falcons. Yes, Falcons. Yeah. Yeah, all those teams are like, they have a bunch of issues. we're forgetting we're fitting another team on the AFC lines No, they're honestly yeah It's been a long day NFC. speaker-1 (58:24.76) It has been a long day. Throwing us off because we're not in the same atmosphere. All right, Washington. Washington versus the Giants, 29 and 21. Now I did get my update today saying that Jayden Daniels is shut down for the rest of the year. Rightfully so. But you know, I picked the Giants to win this game and Washington decides to play. injured often on all speaker-1 (58:49.376) Hey, the Giants, they're playing well, but I think at this point it's best for them to lose out and get it top draft pick Yeah. They don't need, they don't have all the same needs. They could easily trade that number one draft pick, trade down a little bit for one or two more picks. speaker-1 (59:15.02) And like, I think what's amazing to me is that if you were to ask anyone who's the worst team in the NFL, not a single person would say the Giants. No. Wow. It's pronounced Pigeon. Hey, as you can see, I'm wearing a Pidgey shirt. Wow. But it's true, because you look at it and you're like, the Giants have been playing really well, but they've just lost just a whole bunch of time. So next year they come back, they'll win a bunch of those. They'll probably win a bunch of those games that are tight. speaker-1 (01:00:01.142) is just like winning all of those games, those one, two score games. One of our viewers just messaged in the group chat saying that, you know, we're talking about Josh Allen and so forth. Don't discount 49ers right now with Brock Purdy, Kettle. yeah, no, definitely. Right because you know at the start of the year, they're all injury prone and now like they're coming around. Yeah, they're on a buy this week So like, you know, they can get a little bit more healthier. But like yeah, that like this is a It's he this yeah, the the viewer is actually correct He's it is Josh Allen versus Brock pretty right now for who's gonna take over the league And if they can make it consistent then that's a different story, but you have to win one Perfect time for a bite. speaker-0 (01:00:49.716) Yeah, and it could be 49ers and bills Happy and interesting Super Bowl. Like that, wow. But I don't know, I honestly think the NFC, any team could come out of it. Like, it's so hard to predict. You're like, could be the lions, the rams, the eagles, the bears, the packers, the niners. speaker-0 (01:01:21.006) I'm saying the packers not anymore. But I'll get to that later. But could be anybody. You what I Whereas you look at it, who's the star quarterbacks in the AFC? Josh Allen is by far the first person you think about. Yeah. Yeah, than that, Washington New York Giants, know what? Dart is playing with house money. They're just having fun. They're scouting for next year. They understand what's going on for this year. They know that they're not gonna make any dent, but they can ruin a lot of teams. speaker-1 (01:02:03.394) Yeah, I think both of those teams are going to be really interesting and fun to watch. Yeah. They're gonna be scary next year. There's so much going on that it's, that I'm worried. yeah i think uh... i think next year the giants are gonna feel lost significantly better provided they can stay healthy is gonna be what between that and daniel's coming yet The NFC is going to be stacked next year. Just the NFC in total, it's going to be stacked next year. There's so much going on in the NFC that I am worried for the NFC. Like, especially being an Eagles fan in the NFC, that's scary because we know that DALLAS is going to be better. We know the Giants are going to be better. We know the Commanders are going to be better. That alone scares the hell out of me. Yeah, see. speaker-1 (01:02:54.254) The Eagles have a coaching problem right now. It happens every year, every other year. This is true, but they have such a good GM. Because he's on their team, he's elevating the entire squad with these crazy deals he manages. Which I think he's also elevating the NFC East. It is because everyone's trying to keep up. speaker-0 (01:03:22.21) Yeah, because in howie we trust. They're like, we gotta get better because we gotta play them twice a year. Like I was saying earlier, with Howie, there is a slight rumor that they were saying like, you know, we're not, like they're worried if Burrow is happy playing for the Bengals. Well, with the Eagles GM, we have the extra draft capital. What happens if we trade Jalen Hurts with draft capital to the Bengals? You guys get a durable quarterback. We get Burrow. I like that deal. Obviously you're not going to like it, but that is a possibility. You never know how we might do. He's hearing all the noise. He sees everything. He's going to make a lot of decisions. Next year, Jalen Hurts may not be our quarterback. Next year, AJ Brown may be traded somewhere else. speaker-1 (01:04:17.438) he does like to move off people pretty quickly. He never holds stock on a person too long. If you're on the team, you're there for a reason. If you're not producing enough for me, you're gone. No hard feelings. You know, I got you a Super Bowl. I got you more money somewhere else. I got you this. was talking to someone the other day about this. How in fantasy football, you're the GM, right? So when sometimes people get hung up on names, and that's why when new people come into a league, they stop looking at the names and are just looking at the numbers. And the performance, they'll drop someone because they're just like, nah, they're not performing. Even though But we all do. speaker-1 (01:05:05.442) Like I'm like, man, you dropped Hopkins? But like he's, I think of him as the old name, the old. They're not looking at. Yeah, oh, it's Jamar Chase, you know, he's gonna have an amazing year. And you guys be like, well, he's only giving me like 16 points. I want 20. He's not giving me 20. I'm gonna get someone who's gonna give me 20. I don't care. Yeah, exactly. But that's the way Howie GM. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Howie G.M.'s like fantasy football in real life. Jerry Jones, don't learn that. Speaking, okay, so we'll move on from the Giants and go into the Vegas Raiders versus the Philadelphia Pigeons. 31 to 0. speaker-1 (01:05:42.188) Yeah. speaker-1 (01:06:00.332) I'm just glad that they're still the pigeons even though they won this. It was the Raiders. I honestly, okay, I knew your shirt came in, but I wasn't sure if you were gonna wait and not. You were just gonna be like, no. Hang on. They are the pigeons for a reason. All season they've been playing like pigeons. So I'm staying on the pigeons. I still love my team. They're still pigeons. Prove me wrong. mean, beating the Raiders 31-0. nothing. Yeah. I feel like Tom Brady must be disappointed that he's associated with that. speaker-0 (01:06:43.022) Why? He gets paid to be associated with the Raiders. He's- That- that- Raids? Raids? Yeah, but like the competitor in him has to be like, man, I hate that my He's not playing, he gets paid to be disappointed. But he's associated with the team. Would you not rather be associated with winners? speaker-0 (01:07:08.994) You know what? Yeah! You know what? I love Sydney. If someone says, he's like, yeah, I'm a part owner of an NFL team. That's all you have to say, you stop right there. Then he says, yeah, the Las Vegas Raiders. And they're like, oof. Yeah, well, I think that's what I mean. Yeah. Well, Pete Carroll is done after this year. He's the oldest coach in the NFL right now in the 70s coaching. it's starting to show. There's gonna be a lot of they got rid of Chip Kelly, who was their OC. He couldn't do anything properly. Gino Smith didn't start this game. They put Kenny Pickett and. speaker-1 (01:07:46.04) Can he big hands pick it? And let's be honest that that didn't even help them. It's so dysfunctional, but Tom Brady can't go above and beyond because he's getting paid by ESPN. No Fox Fox. He's paid by Fox. Yeah, he's got his hand in too many jars. Yeah, so, you know, Tom Brady be I'm associated with them, but I'm still getting paid by Fox way more money until he becomes like a minority or a majority owner. You can talk, but he's only minority. We'll see. But I the Raiders have a lot of problems. I actually legitimately think there's gonna be a lot of coaching changes this off. speaker-0 (01:08:26.638) Well, your coach is gone, Kevin's defense is gone. Yeah. Tomlin might be gone. Tom is different. If they go, if they go nine and eight. speaker-0 (01:08:40.576) Tomlin's different though. they go 9-8 and lose in the playoffs, do you think he keeps his job? You think so? Yes. Yes, because Tomlin is definitely, this is what I'm saying. Tomlin is different in all scenarios. What he's done for the state of Pittsburgh, he's maintained the, I would say the middle class of football. That is a working class team. If they don't make it further, it doesn't matter because what Tomlin has done for the state of Pittsburgh, they're always constantly in the playoffs. They may not get ahead, but they're always in the news. Yeah. speaker-0 (01:09:16.238) They're doing what Jerry Jones wants to do with the Cowboys, but they're doing it at a consistent level. And I don't think they can be like, you know what, you can't get us over the hump. We're going to fire you. It's going to be like, let us know when you're done and want to try on a different team. Maybe it's going to be like, Tomlin is done. He's I just don't think you'll ever get fired. You know what I think would be fantastic for the Bengals? If the Browns fired Kevin Stavansky, we fired Taylor and took Stavansky. Because he can do a defense. Why do you want Stravinsky? speaker-0 (01:09:59.81) What you need, what you really need is Tomlin to be like, you know what, I'm take a step back. I'm gonna take a step back from the Steelers, because you'll never get fired is what I'm saying. But then he joins the Bengals. which is what we need. speaker-1 (01:10:07.96) How about a... speaker-1 (01:10:19.032) That'd be interesting. I don't think you would ever I don't think you'd join a rival team without getting fired. It's, it's, you know, we're just hypothetically speaking. It's possible. But like, I can't see a scenario where he is like, let's leave on good terms. Anyway, I'm going to go to your bitter rival. speaker-0 (01:10:39.5) He goes through, speaker-0 (01:10:45.966) Well, he used get to play his old team twice. Yeah. You know what mean, that would just be weird. No, you're not wrong. But yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of coaching changes at the end of the year. Yeah, there's a lot of coaches. We can say it right now. like Kevin Sifanski from Cleveland, Zach Taylor's gone. Okay, he should be gone. I shouldn't say he will be gone, but he should be gone. Realistically, you and I are right. Mike Tomlin should step down from the Steelers if- speaker-1 (01:11:12.654) Should be, speaker-1 (01:11:20.726) It would make sense, but I don't think it will ever happen. It would make sense. Like, when your whole stadium is chanting, him. speaker-0 (01:11:29.038) it might be a sign. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets fired their coach after one year because of how bad they were. Yeah, maybe. I mean, that's another team that I wouldn't be surprised let go. But I think sometimes you need to give a coach at least a year. Yeah, I'm not wrong. You're not wrong with that statement. speaker-1 (01:11:49.166) Because the first year is you're going in fresh, you're building everything. Some teams are going to overachieve, some teams are going to underachieve, but then it's the second year that you can really find out a lot about how everything, like if everything they're doing is effective. Another team that I wouldn't be surprised is ATL. Yeah. Right, had two quarterbacks. speaker-0 (01:12:20.357) Dolphins. Dolphins are another team that potentially, but even though the GMs aren't there, it's interesting to see. feel like once that all happened, the Dolphins are just like, everyone just ignored them. True, true. Like they've had some decent wins. They just, everyone overlooks them now. Also the Dolphins are, they're such a warm weather team that I don't think they'll ever go anywhere in the playoffs just because unless they win in. climate change win the division, they're gonna have to play in the snow and they're so bad at speaker-0 (01:13:09.166) All right, next game, Green Bay at Denver. 26 to 34. And BO NIX is playing great. Still fraudulent, still fraudulent in my eyes. Still fraudulent? They just beat the defense here talking up so much. speaker-0 (01:13:23.278) I'm not doing it speaker-0 (01:13:28.088) Yeah, Micah Parsons tours ACL. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. near the end of game. But yeah, another close win for them. I'm just saying I need to see him in the playoffs. Yeah. This is regular season. So I'm not sure. We'll see what happens when it gets closer. i don't know they have that winning mentality and i think shot they as well as a lot to do and he's finally building the pieces early lead done paying off russell wilson speaker-0 (01:13:58.702) Jump in, this is a great coach. speaker-0 (01:14:10.754) Well, in two more years. Yeah. Cause that's just going to open up more, more money for them. So that should sync up with around the same time. BONEX is. I think it might be one more year. They signed a three-year deal. I might need to get someone to fact check that. Yeah, I can't remember off the top of my head, he's coached them really well and Bonex is doing exactly what he's supposed to do. and it's going really well. speaker-0 (01:14:40.654) Sure. speaker-0 (01:14:45.326) Yeah, because you have what, four TDs for 300 yards? Yeah, 4 TDs, 300 yards, that's perfect. He's playing better than Caleb Williams. That's exactly what you're speaker-1 (01:14:59.192) Like yes he's not flashy, he's not doing all these crazy things, he's just He's also doing it with like adequate receivers. Yeah, he doesn't, I wouldn't say there's a superstar on that offense at all. or on that team in general. Patrick Surtain. Yeah, he's defense. on defense though. Their number one receiver is Coraline Sun. speaker-0 (01:15:29.422) Yeah, when you look at when you hear from that perspective, yeah, it's a Yeah, well, RV The running back is a rookie who's playing really well. speaker-1 (01:15:42.631) They're tight end Evan Ingram. He's the biggest name. So like, he's his first year with the team too. Yeah, when you take that in perspective, like... Like they're doing a lot with a little and that's them, the team mindset, everyone's building each other up. It's not like one person is like, yeah, I'm the best. I guarantee no one on that team has an ego. That's what like there. speaker-0 (01:16:07.416) Not yet. We'll see what happens if they win a playoff game though. Because then we can be like, Denver is the team. Right? I don't know, it's kind of exciting. But, and, you know, Green Bay, usually say their defense bails out their offense because their offense is. The offense isn't really that good. They can take a lot of risk and benefit off of it. But if their defense can't hold up an offense on the other side, then Jordan Love doesn't look like the quarterback that's going to win a Super Bowl. He doesn't look like that generational player. speaker-1 (01:16:38.039) It's very hit or miss. speaker-1 (01:16:55.15) I mean it's a lot easier to play when you're not behind Obviously we're talking in the context that we're not professional, we're just doing the eye test. So I'm not saying that Jordan Love is not a professional athlete. I'm comparing him to all the other quarterbacks that I've seen on TV. And in my eyes, he doesn't look like that generational athlete that I was hoping for to take over Green Bay since, you know, there's been so little quarterbacks. No, I can see that. I see what you mean. I mean, like, he's not a true leader. He's a leader, but he's not a true leader in my eyes. He's not like... You look at it and you're like, yeah, there's a lot of quarterbacks you could put in Green Bay. That would be a lot. speaker-0 (01:17:35.896) Thank you. That's what I'm saying. So yeah, like you never know. Like the next team we can talk about, they did a quarterback swap Detroit versus LA rim. Now get that. speaker-1 (01:17:51.586) That swap still to me seems like the most fair trade ever. speaker-0 (01:17:58.346) 34 to 40. speaker-0 (01:18:06.924) But Brown can't do it all. Baby Hands Golf can't do it all. But I don't know, Gibson have a great game this week. The Rams clearly know how to shut them down. The Rams are also becoming a two-headed running back team, which is crazy. Go. speaker-0 (01:18:31.596) Okay, in my eyes it's crazy because like when Matthew Stafford was on Detroit, you had Megatron. Yeah. And we love the connection between Megatron and Stafford. comes over to LA and it was... Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup. But now he gets, you know, Pukka Nakua. And it was like, Pukka Nakua took over Cooper Cup and now he's in Seattle. And, like, wow. Matthew Stafford's back to being like MVP quarterback. Yeah, think Stafford is a quarterback that elevates like a team, but he's very he can pick a number one receiver and be like, nah, don't worry, I'll get you the ball. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-1 (01:19:24.664) Whereas like you have other teams like we'll get into it after but Minnesota jefferson certainly get frustrated he's not getting that like he's getting targets but it's not was getting forced they're getting worse Yes, we'll get there. Other than that, the Rams, like Sean McVay, I think he needs someone that he can look up to. Right, with Jared Goff, younger, you know, there's that parody. I think Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay have that connection where they're the same frequency. it's like their peers. like they're on the same page. Yeah. He's not coaching down, they can bounce ideas and it's showing. The Rams are playing amazingly. It's crazy to see. I'm happy for them. speaker-0 (01:20:20.846) All Carolina versus New Orleans. All I'm going to say is, of all teams, for the Carolina Panthers to lose to, really? Really? I know. Like there were... I don't get it. I just don't. I get it's division game, but like... That's just been a layup. speaker-0 (01:20:39.534) Should have been a lamp. The Panthers are just so hot and cold. Like even if they were to somehow make the playoffs, I would not trust them at all. No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. I get it. Saints know Carolina very, well so they can play against them and rivalry games are always going to be rivalry games. like, come on, really? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, but think both those teams have a lot of, they're both up and coming teams. So for sure. The Saints need a lot though. got a lot of. Yeah. And we'll probably be rebuilding for quite some time. They're rebuilding, so. speaker-0 (01:21:19.566) Indianapolis versus Seattle 16 to 18. Philip Rivers, 44 years old, comes into it with less than a week of practice. It was a touchdown pass. 10 kids, his insurance is about to run out, renewed for five years. You know what mean? I make the joke that Philip Rivers doesn't have a TV at home. He's a busy man. He's a very good Catholic boy. But man, he almost won the game. Seattle needed a field goal. speaker-1 (01:22:01.282) That's another one like Seattle's interesting because like they were so good and then the last couple weeks they've just fallen off a bit. But their defense was still playing well. It's just you can't, and we were talking about this a few weeks ago. Philip Rivers knows what he needs to do. Like when Joe Focco played for the Bengals, he's played every single defense. He knows most of the offense. Oh, 100 % he knows. They know. speaker-0 (01:22:33.454) That's going off right now That's going wild. speaker-0 (01:22:43.097) Supposedly we have a guy that's in our room right now that you know one of her fans are literally saying that he sounds pretty handsome so So so shout out to hands of Philip Rivers. No! Maybe I should... At one of these times we'll put them on the episode or something like that, you know. Let the fans enjoy some of the background noises that we have going on here. But yeah, Yeah, five years not playing in the NFL, comes back almost once a game. Yeah. speaker-1 (01:23:17.102) extract it. speaker-0 (01:23:24.376) Time management could have been a huge factor. Well that and like there was some plays where you look at it and you're like he's just slipping and sliding all over the place. He's old. Like there's no rhyme or reason. He is old. Which is pretty... But he needed to... He did what he needed to do. I it was funny, like other quarterbacks, other retired quarterbacks were pissed because they were like, why'd they call him? all people, well he's connected with the franchise right? exactly. He knows the owners and so forth so they they have that connection. I do feel bad like come on there's Cam Newton that's 36 years old you could have called him. speaker-1 (01:24:03.16) Yeah, but Cam Newton's play style, not being that age and playing. Like Joe Flacco, Philip Rivers, they're quarterbacks that sling it. It's, I don't know, and it's ego. speaker-0 (01:24:16.782) Yeah. But I would even took another quarterback. But your reason will never come back. One that I can think of right now that I would love to see come back just for the narrative. Colin Kaepernick. I would love for Colin Kaepernick just to get one play, get on a team so the narrative can be done. race. Yeah, I know. speaker-1 (01:24:44.032) That's true. I don't think they'll ever do it. I know they will never do it, but I just want the narrative to be done because every year we hear Colin Kaepernick come back. Just let him come back. Let him see what he can do. If it doesn't work out, you can move on for a little and you don't have that narrative anymore. So what I think when it comes to NFL quarter, like NFL teams picking up older quarterbacks that are already retired, that just shows you how much of a mental game it is. And it's less physical and more mental because you have to be able to read all these different things. And you have a lot of people that are like, yeah, sure. Physically, you may be in better shape than Philip Rivers is. Mentally. percent. speaker-0 (01:25:27.384) number. he knows exactly what's going out on the field. That's why it made such a difference when we had Joe Flacco go in versus Jake Browning, because Joe Flacco was reading everything. So, I don't know, it's interesting. I worry that Sam Darnold's turning into a pumpkin a little bit though. I'm not worried about Sam Donald. I think the game yesterday had nothing to do with Sam Donald and I think it had everything to do with Philip Rivers. Oh yeah. It was just like one of those games where it's just like, this is bigger than you. Just enjoy the moment. You're a part of history. A 44 year old came back. Have fun. You know what mean? Yeah. speaker-1 (01:26:18.382) would have more fun to win, but... Alright, Tennessee at San Francisco 24 to 37. The Titans are putting up a little bit more fight than you'd expect. They are. They are. They're plucking the bone That's all you can expect from them right now. Honestly, this is a pretty good result for them. Mm-hmm. They're learning. speaker-0 (01:26:38.958) Yep. speaker-0 (01:26:43.118) 100%. You dropped 24 on a San Francisco defense. Like I realize they've got some injury problems, like they're still a tough D. And their offense dropping a ton of points on you is to be expected because all their stars are coming back. I talked about this when they were all getting injured at the beginning. Remember like 10 weeks ago when I was talking about how exactly now they're coming back and they're good to go. Fast. To 49ers. speaker-0 (01:27:11.566) was the perfect time for them to be injured. Because now... They're gonna... They will be full strength by playoffs. No one wants that. Exactly. That's a tough matchup for anybody. They may not be hosting a playoff game, but they're going to be putting up a good fight in one probably. But at the same time, given their record, it's that NFC, it's going to come down to week 18. Yeah, we'll see that, yeah. speaker-1 (01:27:44.376) Like there's probably gonna be like five or six teams in the hunt for the wild card spot these last three weeks. Yeah. It's exciting. Purdy's playing well. Yeah. I'll say this. One of those teams in the other season playing for a wild card is going to hope the Eagles lose because after what Minnesota did to Dallas last night, 34 to 26. Yeah, I was surprised. I was surprised Aubrey missed two field goals. speaker-0 (01:28:20.92) Yep. After we were boosting them up all last week. It's true, we were. Cowboys, the offense is horrible. Yeah, they definitely have some problems. Quinton Williams went down with an injury This it's funny because now we can definitely say it is the Cowboys did win the trade by trading Mika Parsons over to the greenback because you know, he tore his ACL came and finished the year Jerry Jones wanted to trade once again. speaker-1 (01:28:40.778) An injured man for an injured man. speaker-1 (01:28:50.478) Yeah, I mean, it's freak answer. But yeah, I think Minnesota needs to figure out how to get Justin Jefferson the ball better. Yeah speaker-0 (01:29:04.172) Well, it looked like Nailer is the number one receiver. Yeah, because, well, I know he's going through the progressions and everyone covers Jefferson way tougher than anyone else. But when you're number one receiver, you keep targeting him, but he's so covered every time. It just makes it difficult, because I don't think J.J. McCarthy is a good enough quarterback. Now to... He's not going to be like Stafford, he's not going be hitting a receiver that's seven times in a game and actually having it connect. I will say this. speaker-0 (01:29:46.414) what's his name? speaker-0 (01:29:52.022) JJ is known, Shadir. Cause I saw Shadir throw last night or yesterday. I don't think JJ could hit those throws, but the throws he did hit Naylor with were amazing throws. But he's not a precision quarterback. He's just a slinger. I think JJ McCarthy is not amazing, he is the bar. You need to be at least that good. I know he's had some stinker games, but that has a lot He's learning. Nobody expected them to go to the Super Bowl. here. Even with the quarterback which were... Well... It's one of those things. speaker-1 (01:30:38.06) Yeah. It wasn't happening. speaker-0 (01:30:45.9) And then obviously we have the Miami and Pittsburgh game. I don't even know what the score is right now. speaker-0 (01:30:53.364) It's 7-3 for the Steelers. Interesting. And there's 14 seconds left in the game. Or in the half? In the half. Yeah, okay. I was gonna say, how long have we been talking? We can talk for a minute. speaker-1 (01:31:11.438) Alright well that's going be an exciting game to go watch. We gotta get out there and... Yeah, man. And get this Baker Mayfield jersey out to all the people out there. So we'll be heading up, balance out to everyone in Clubhouse. So we'll be heading there shortly. It's a packed building. I know I struggle to get parking. Yeah, well, yeah, I got here a little bit earlier. You never know. It's Christmas time, right? Seriously, you have the Christmas market. You got 100, 100. It's amazing. 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