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- 0:28Hello everybody and welcome along to the Event Industry News Podcast with
- 0:32me, James Dixon, wishing you all a very good morning, afternoon, or evening whenever
- 0:36or wherever you tune in to today's podcast from. And it's afternoon
- 0:40for me, but it is very much good morning to my guest today who joins
- 0:43me from their base in New York. And on today's episode,
- 0:47we're going to be talking about the agency model of the future.
- 0:51Um, I dare say a lot of people who tune in regularly to the Event
- 0:54Industry News Podcast will either work for or work with, work alongside,
- 0:58have had experience with an agency, and there is no
- 1:02bigger a global agency that works within the events industry than
- 1:06the company from which my guest today joins us from.
- 1:10She is the Global President of InVent, and I'm delighted to say joining
- 1:14the Event Industry News Podcast this afternoon for me and this morning for her is
- 1:17Christina McCoubrey. Christina, a very warm welcome.
- 1:20Thank you, James. Lovely to be here. Um, and, and in New
- 1:23York, of course. And, and again, for— I always like
- 1:27to give context to our listeners because you never know when people are going to
- 1:30listen to podcasts now. But we're the day after the World Cup final,
- 1:34so New York, home of, home of the World Cup final, very much
- 1:38a huge hub for the tournament that just ended yesterday. Indeed.
- 1:42And what a match it was. Uh, as I said to you in our preamble,
- 1:46Certainly some disappointing news given our presence in
- 1:50London as an office. Absolutely the
- 1:53horse that we had in the
- 1:57race, especially once the US was out. But incredible match and certainly a testament
- 2:01to what a live event can bring to
- 2:05any brand or location, city for that matter.
- 2:08Hey, without a doubt, I'm a huge football, you know, slash soccer
- 2:12fan. And, you know, I've been recording a few episodes today, so I've been referencing
- 2:16the fact that that the World Cup ended yesterday. But, you know,
- 2:20it's in some respects, it's a great thing to reference because there is, you know,
- 2:24arguably no bigger an event, uh, for the events industry than
- 2:28something like a global or arguably the biggest sporting tournament in the world.
- 2:32Um, so, you know, all sorts of stuff we could reference out there. Before we
- 2:36get into the sort of the, the real sort of nitty-gritty of today's conversation,
- 2:40Christina, I always like to give our, our podcast, uh, followers a chance
- 2:43to sort of get to know the guests a little bit, find out a little
- 2:45bit about you if they've not encountered you before. Would you mind just giving us
- 2:48a, you know, a bit of potted history, know, who are you? What is InVent
- 2:51for people who may not be aware of the company and the brand?
- 2:55Sure, of course. And again, thank you for having me.
- 2:58So yeah, a little bit background on me. I've been in the
- 3:01event industry for over 30 years.
- 3:05I actually started— my background's in theater here in New York.
- 3:09I studied theater in university. I went
- 3:13on to be an actress. I did some directing, found that The
- 3:18world of theater and being an actor, while exciting, presented some challenges.
- 3:23You know, even when you're employed, you're unemployed. But it did lead me
- 3:26to this space, which I could not be more fortunate to be
- 3:31a part of. I'm thrilled that I have found a career and an industry
- 3:34where I get that same adrenaline rush that I found in the world of theater,
- 3:39with an accompaniment of incredible brand strategy, which I
- 3:42also have discovered is a real passion of mine. So I started
- 3:46out at an agency called William Sherrod Productions back
- 3:51in '99. And that is where I met Scott Cullither,
- 3:55who became my business partner, co-founder,
- 3:58and now husband. So quite the trifecta there.
- 4:02He and I left that agency in 2008 and
- 4:06started nVent. We started
- 4:09with 4 clients and $4 million in revenue in 2008
- 4:13and ended last year well above $150 million,
- 4:17countless global brands that we've serviced for over the past 18
- 4:21years. We've had quite a journey. You know, we started
- 4:25out quite small in New York, expanded quite quickly in the US,
- 4:28landed in London only 2 years later in 2010,
- 4:31and have since expanded globally with offices all
- 4:35around the US, APAC, EMEA. And yeah,
- 4:39here we are. So it's been quite a journey. nVent is
- 4:42a live events agency. We call ourselves the global brand storytelling
- 4:46agency. We really believe in storytelling as the
- 4:50primary vehicle for live events and the best way for brands to express
- 4:56themselves, especially in today's day and age. It fascinates
- 5:00me. Straight away, I'm going to disregard my notes and go straight
- 5:05to the theatre background and the acting, because, you know,
- 5:08an event of any description needs a beginning, a middle,
- 5:12and an end. You know, it needs, you know,
- 5:15it is, it needs to be well structured, well scripted. It needs to
- 5:19be well planned, well rehearsed. All of those things that we associate with filmmaking,
- 5:23with theater, with live music, you know, come into
- 5:29whether they're brand activations, it's regardless
- 5:33of what type of event it actually is, all of those things
- 5:37come into play. But more often than not, it's the thing that I see actually
- 5:41disregarded the most and not given any attention.
- 5:45It's a strange kind of paradox, isn't it? It is, it is.
- 5:48I— and I can't tell you how many times I draw on my theatre
- 5:52background, um, as does our, our Chief Creative Officer, uh, Paul Blerton,
- 5:56uh, a Brit, uh, uh, based here in the US. Um,
- 5:59his background is also in theatre. He grew up in the theatre, uh, in the
- 6:03UK. So I, I think it's a tenet of our industry,
- 6:07um, but more importantly, a tenet of invent. So we do
- 6:11believe in storytelling, to your point, a solid beginning, middle, and end.
- 6:14And it really is taking attendees on a journey, which any good
- 6:18play, film, show will take the
- 6:22attendee on a journey. And it's often an emotional journey,
- 6:25one that the audience becomes genuinely invested
- 6:29in. And so I think if we start, when we
- 6:33start the creative process, and to truly take into consideration
- 6:37what the attendee and audience experience needs to be,
- 6:42we will always start with telling a good story.
- 6:45When you tell a good story, or when you go and see an incredible play
- 6:48or see an incredible film, you then continue to
- 6:52share what that story was with other people. It takes on a life beyond
- 6:57the event or play itself. And that's always been— that
- 7:01was a passion of mine. In fact, a lot of my theater background was in
- 7:04improv. So that has been an incredible tool in
- 7:09saying yes, saying yes to our partners,
- 7:12whether they be our clients or our colleagues,
- 7:15and, you know, moving the story forward, which is obviously an
- 7:20improvisational skill and primary goal.
- 7:24Yeah, I don't think there's anybody who works in the events industry at any level
- 7:27who hasn't had to improvise at some point in
- 7:31their career. Does the ethos
- 7:34that you just referenced there, the story storytelling, the narrative.
- 7:38Has that become more relevant as time has progressed than
- 7:42it even more so than when you founded the company on those
- 7:46principles, given the advancements in technology,
- 7:49given how much easier it is for people to connect in a non-face-to-face
- 7:53way? How has that ethos developed and
- 7:57shaped itself as you find yourself and sit here today? It's a
- 8:01great question. I think, you know, we started
- 8:04using that word storytelling, brand storytelling quite early in
- 8:09its— now it's used quite a bit. We did
- 8:13discover it quite early because we saw how much it impacted the
- 8:17work, how it impacted our growth, frankly, because of the impact it had on audiences
- 8:21and brands. But I will say now, and I, you know, you can't
- 8:26talk about the in-person impact without referencing the pandemic and
- 8:30having a screen between an attendee, an audience member, and the experience
- 8:34itself. And I think certainly something that
- 8:38came out of that period of time is just how incredibly valuable the in-person experience
- 8:43really is. It's no secret that the industry itself catapulted
- 8:47coming out of the pandemic because there was an obvious observation
- 8:52and need for that in-person event.
- 8:56And so we saw such an incredible— we had an incredible growth period
- 9:00following that as an agency. And I think, I think that,
- 9:04you know, certainly with the, with the onslaught of AI,
- 9:08the reality is, and I mean, it's one of my favorite quotes, it's from Mark
- 9:12Cuban, who said, it's about a year and a half ago, who said,
- 9:16you know, with the onslaught of AI,
- 9:19particularly in video production and what we, you know,
- 9:22see on all of the different, you know, screens that we have in
- 9:26our, in our lives, he predicted that there would be a massive,
- 9:30you know, hockey stick growth in the live event space because
- 9:35in reality, it's the only place you can go where, you know, it's real.
- 9:39Yeah. And that really resonated
- 9:43with us and I think continues to resonate with us and our
- 9:47clients because, you know, 20 years ago,
- 9:51the live event, you know, the launch moment, the press conference,
- 9:54it was a piece of the marketing strategy, but it was not really at
- 9:59the core. And now we're discovering and learning and also guiding, frankly,
- 10:02our clients that that live event, that in-person event,
- 10:06that moment where you have your constituents, your stakeholders,
- 10:09your, you know, customers all in one place,
- 10:14has a value that is unmatched now. Yeah, and not
- 10:17just— well, yeah, obviously value, that there's value in an
- 10:21economic sense, but there's value in an emotional sense as well. Absolutely.
- 10:25And as I've said many times on this podcast, you can't you cannot
- 10:29replicate the, uh,
- 10:33unexpected feeling of euphoria when you're sat
- 10:36in a keynote speech or at the start of a
- 10:40concert or at the start of a play when the curtain, you know,
- 10:44the lights go down and the curtain goes up, or, you know, that the first,
- 10:48you know, drumbeat that you hear when a band hits the stage,
- 10:52or, or when, you know, all of the production elements of a big keynote
- 10:56speech come together and the light, the sound combine to give that audience member or
- 10:59that delegate that unexpected rush of adrenaline,
- 11:03the hairs standing up on your arms, and that feeling of euphoria— very,
- 11:06very difficult to replicate using any form of technology.
- 11:10Uh, you are speaking my love language. That is so spot on.
- 11:14It is. Um, uh, and I couldn't agree more. Uh, you know,
- 11:18and I, I think even now, having, having, um, you know,
- 11:21been a part of this industry for such a long time and, um, you know,
- 11:24being in the room, whether I have a headset on, uh,
- 11:27or more likely in these days, less, less likely. But in my
- 11:30early days as an executive producer, you know, that adrenaline rush,
- 11:34that, that feeling or anticipatory excitement that
- 11:38happens before an event starts, or at the— when
- 11:41you can feel the, the sort of arc
- 11:45of a story hitting a crescendo, it's, it's absolutely something
- 11:49that I couldn't agree with you more is, is unmatched, certainly on
- 11:53on a platform where you are not in a space with other people
- 11:58feeding off of them having that same visceral response.
- 12:02Sure. And I don't want for one second people to sort of maybe misinterpret
- 12:06that I'm disregarding the use of AI or suggesting technology
- 12:10doesn't have a place in the event sector because it does. And I
- 12:13know for a fact that InVent, you know, you're developing your own
- 12:17tools and your own AI that's actually being utilized within there. So it's
- 12:21about utilizing the tools that are available and that you can develop yourself.
- 12:24Now in order to further enhance the
- 12:28ethos that we've been referencing so far. That might be an interesting next
- 12:32step because I'm fascinated to learn a little bit more about this. I don't know
- 12:36if you can call it an AI engine or the developments that you've actually been
- 12:39progressing yourself in-house. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, of course.
- 12:43And I will say that, you know, it's— AI is
- 12:47another tool in the toolbox. It's a big tool.
- 12:52Let's be honest. It's not a small advancement. In a
- 12:56cool, like, video, new video technology. It's big. And it is significantly
- 13:01moving the dial in how we work. I will
- 13:04say, like, as an agency, we've leaned into it for internal efficiencies,
- 13:08both creatively and operationally, for quite some time.
- 13:12So we are not shying away from AI by any stretch.
- 13:16What we are not doing, though, is relying solely on AI to
- 13:20do our job creatively and strategically. We truly believe human-first,
- 13:24human-led strategy, creative concepting is
- 13:27still at the forefront of how we operate as an agency.
- 13:31With that said, it's a pretty powerful tool, and it is making us
- 13:35more efficient. It is helping us provide more
- 13:39value to our clients. And so we made
- 13:43the move in the beginning of this year to hire a chief AI officer.
- 13:47So while we were exploring and utilizing a lot
- 13:51of tools internally, we have an innovation division that's headquartered out of our Singapore office.
- 13:54So we were very much along the ride, but really felt
- 13:58the need to have someone on the team that was solely dedicated to this.
- 14:01And his name is James Kinney, and he is
- 14:04leading the efforts for our creation of what's called
- 14:08Orbi. And Orbi is a product, an AI product that will
- 14:12help our clients with everything from predictive analytics to
- 14:17onsite analytics. And it is an AI engine
- 14:21that is going to help our clients utilize AI again
- 14:25as a hyper tool in how to better events,
- 14:29not only the current event that they're doing, but I think more importantly events moving
- 14:33forward. You know, what gauging audience reactions, gauging audiences,
- 14:39you know, level of engagement,
- 14:41time spent, all of those things that I think we can
- 14:45kind of do right now, but to put it in a
- 14:48real supercharged format that can help our clients,
- 14:52again, make better decisions. And serendipity is a
- 14:56wonderful thing sometimes, because I've been recording episodes of the podcast today.
- 15:01And my guest just an hour or so ago, Kieran Garlick,
- 15:05from a company called Present Communications, who are our podcast sponsor,
- 15:09I was talking to him about sort of training and development and personnel within the
- 15:13events industry, and we were actually talking about how the
- 15:18advancement of technology is actually ultimately going to create new roles potentially,
- 15:22because we will need people who are skilled in utilizing those
- 15:25tools. So it's weird and wonderful and coincidental
- 15:30and serendipitous that you mentioned that you've now got a Chief AI
- 15:33Officer, because that's exactly what we were talking about on a previous episode of the
- 15:37podcast, is, you know, having somebody within a
- 15:40kind of high-tech-based role within organizations who
- 15:44really understands specifically how to utilize some of these new tools,
- 15:49not just for the benefit of the business, but for the benefit of the clients,
- 15:51which has a knock-on effect to the business. So it's— how,
- 15:55how quick was that decision made? How long ago did you start
- 15:59discussing about possibly having somebody in that role to do exactly
- 16:02what James is doing? Um, so it happened quite quickly,
- 16:06as has the advancements and evolution of AI
- 16:09in our space. So You know, one thing over the past 18 years
- 16:13that we have not been is slow. We move quite quickly.
- 16:17We're a hypergrowth agency, constantly seeking
- 16:21out the next best thing that will help, again,
- 16:25help our clients, help our audiences, help our employees.
- 16:29So we started certainly
- 16:33diving into the world of AI, you know, couple years ago,
- 16:37and then that started gaining traction. And it was my
- 16:41co-founder Scott Cullifer who came to us one day and
- 16:45said, I think it's time that we really put our money where our mouth is,
- 16:48bring somebody in who's an expert that can really help guide us, because I think—
- 16:52and also service our clients, because our clients are seeking it too. So I think
- 16:56it's really important for us as an industry to recognize that we need
- 17:00really well-educated, very smart people in the world
- 17:04of AI that we can bring into a room with us and help guide our
- 17:07clients as well. They're looking for the answers also. And so I think we
- 17:11knew we needed to be legitimate and have a strong perspective
- 17:15and point of view on it so that we can help guide our clients.
- 17:18And so within 2 months of
- 17:24recruiting and having lots of discussions, we hired James. So the
- 17:28conversation really gained traction in Q3,
- 17:32Q4 last year of 2025.
- 17:35And James started January 1st of this year. So it
- 17:39moved quite quickly. And all of our clients want to hear from him. And,
- 17:42you know, we'll bring him to their strategy discussions. Some clients have
- 17:46a, you know, a really strong appetite to incorporate AI and others
- 17:50are really looking for guidance, like help us use
- 17:53AI to move the needle in our space.
- 17:57So he's doing all of that. So he's creating internal efficiencies. He's helping
- 18:01our clients navigate. It's been a great add. Yeah,
- 18:04and when I think about, you know, the tools, the information,
- 18:08the data, everything that's available to organizers
- 18:12now, to clients that you'll be working with, you know,
- 18:15even if, even in its most basic sense, having somebody who
- 18:19can guide them on an AI thing might just be to help
- 18:22them understand the metrics of their event a little bit better, the data that's
- 18:26been generated from it. You know, that's before we get into any of the kind
- 18:30of operational production efficiencies that, that you can generate. Just being able to
- 18:33actually extract something a little bit more meaningful from the data that you've got,
- 18:38you know, archived over the last 5, 6, 10 years,
- 18:40however that may be. These tools can do in 5 seconds what
- 18:44it might take somebody 5 months to look at. That's right. Create the lake.
- 18:47Let's see what's in there. I mean, it's, it's, it is incredible too. And I,
- 18:51the other thing I think that we have found as well, you know, we have
- 18:55about 250 employees now that we've
- 18:59just completed our merger. We have 250 employees globally at nVent.
- 19:03So you have your people that have really dived in and like,
- 19:07let me wrap my head around AI and they're super users already
- 19:11of Claude and they're really driving
- 19:15efficiencies. And again, a lot of that's coming out of our Singapore office, but a
- 19:19lot of it here in the US as well. And then you have you know,
- 19:22are some members of our team that are a little reluctant and maybe,
- 19:25you know, don't want to lean into AI to help,
- 19:29you know, design a set or, you know, come up with something
- 19:33creatively. And so I think, you know, one of the words we use a
- 19:36lot in the agency now is curator. So while
- 19:40AI is there, right, and it is a— it
- 19:45is— it's just such a powerful tool unless you have really
- 19:49strong strategy and really strong trajectory
- 19:54of the brief and the plan,
- 19:57it's really just gonna be a lot of information. So having— we're really focusing
- 20:01on training our teams to become very strong curators of
- 20:05what comes out of AI and help curate that to best serve
- 20:09our clients. And in terms of curation, I wanna go back
- 20:13to the actual sort of the storytelling aspect, those fundamental
- 20:17elements of how you described sort of founding Invent and what it's based
- 20:22on in terms of telling stories, has the task of telling that story
- 20:25on a global level and tying— you've
- 20:30obviously got the different offices that you've mentioned a couple of times, but no doubt
- 20:34you'll be working with clients who work on a global level now and
- 20:38have done probably since the day you started. So I guess it's not just about
- 20:42telling story in one place at one time, it's about telling a story
- 20:46there that also connects with the story that you told for the same client there
- 20:48and the same client there. And the same client there,
- 20:51and that all matching together? Yes. Were you
- 20:55in our leadership meeting last week? That's exactly what
- 20:59we were talking about. It sounds simple, right?
- 21:02And it certainly, you know, we were, we were so,
- 21:08we had such high hopes, you know, growing globally
- 21:12and being able to service our clients globally. The fact of the matter is,
- 21:1515 years ago, That honestly didn't,
- 21:19the uptick wasn't as fast as we would have guessed. We were like, oh,
- 21:22you know, we're working for Pepsi in the US, of course Pepsi in the UK
- 21:25is gonna wanna work with us. And fact of the matter is, globally, the brands
- 21:29and the brand stories and the teams were very localized,
- 21:33call it 10, 15 years ago. That has changed. We are now seeing
- 21:38some of our largest clients, you know, Amazon, Samsung,
- 21:41Oracle, we are activating for them globally. And when I say globally,
- 21:45I don't just mean like we have attendees coming from
- 21:48other regions here to the US. We are producing those
- 21:52events in the US, in London, in India,
- 21:56in Sydney, in Singapore. Um,
- 21:59a lot of the content, um, strategy, all of
- 22:04that, the efficiencies of being a global agency that can tell a global story is
- 22:08so powerful right now. And yet you still have
- 22:11to take into consideration that culture. There are nuances.
- 22:16We see the nuances in our teams globally. But if
- 22:20they all ladder up to that same ultimate strategy, you just
- 22:24have to, you have to tweak, got to tweak it a bit in that region
- 22:27in order for it to land as effectively as it would say, for example,
- 22:31here in the United States. So we see it, we do see a
- 22:34flattening of it now though. More accessibility, more,
- 22:38more interest, more appreciation, frankly,
- 22:41for stories to run the gamut globally.
- 22:45And that's something that I'm incredibly passionate about because it's
- 22:49what we're doing in our agency as well, culturally, that, you know,
- 22:52having those local, those local priorities
- 22:56and things that really truly matter in that local.
- 23:00But ultimately, at the end of the day, we function as one agency.
- 23:03Which is unusual in our space. A lot of our competitors who have offices
- 23:09around the world, they operate in silos and
- 23:12that works for some. For us, we found that that was not how we
- 23:16were going to grow and not how we were going to best serve our clients.
- 23:19And so we really do, like, we just brought our entire organization together
- 23:24from around the world here in New York a couple of months ago. It was
- 23:27absolutely incredible. And so we we draw on
- 23:30those strengths and cultural nuances and differences to
- 23:34make us better. There's a, there's a great
- 23:38phrase we use in our, in our company called chasing the sun. So we
- 23:42are, we are constantly bringing in people
- 23:45from other regions into any given project.
- 23:48So we just, you know, we did a big launch for Samsung in Sydney and
- 23:52there were people from the US involved in that. So there's
- 23:56cross-pollination of our teams, both culturally and geographically,
- 24:00and there's efficiencies in that as well. We'll hang up as
- 24:04we prepare for, you know, Oracle AI World, and there's lots of changes
- 24:08that need to be done graphically. We will hang up with that client at 5
- 24:11o'clock East Coast time, get on the phone with our Singapore team, and we'll wake
- 24:15up in the morning and all the changes will be there. So we're really using
- 24:18it as a strength. It's a true muscle of nVent, I think, that we do
- 24:22operate as one as one global unit. Well,
- 24:25I guess, you know, thinking about it logically, if you're trying to support
- 24:30a client in telling a global story that has joined-up thinking across multiple different
- 24:33territories and borders and continents, then if
- 24:37you're not joined up yourself, if you're not operating to the same principle
- 24:40internally, how are you going to do a good job of telling that story that
- 24:44the client wants to deliver? Thank you, and we'll put that on our
- 24:48website. That is spot on. That's spot on.
- 24:51Yes. Yeah. In terms of the development of tools on
- 24:56a more day-to-day level, you know, there's a huge discussion about
- 24:59AI, and sometimes, I'll be honest with you, I sometimes feel like,
- 25:02oh, I want to stop talking about AI for a minute because people are going
- 25:05to get bored of it. Actually, I, I don't think they are because there's so
- 25:09many questions that are still unanswered.
- 25:12Um, on a more sort of day-to-day operational level, are you seeing
- 25:17the tools are available, and maybe going back to the tech side of things,
- 25:20that are helping you, even down to things like— I'm just thinking of visuals,
- 25:23you know, client visuals, when you're wanting to render up what a room
- 25:27or a stage is going to look like, you know, presumably all of these things
- 25:31that again might have taken hours or days to produce for clients,
- 25:34the tools are there to turn them around quicker, which means decisions can be made
- 25:38quicker, which means your lead into events is going to be
- 25:41a little bit better, you're going to buy yourself some days back, you know,
- 25:43are all of those things applicable now? Oh my gosh, yes,
- 25:47that is. Um, and every day getting,
- 25:50getting better. I mean, it's moving so fast. Uh,
- 25:53we just have, uh, we just posted— we have a, uh, a general— we
- 25:57use Slack, uh, as a great communication tool in our, in our agency,
- 26:00like many. Um, we have a, we have a general channel where we'll post work
- 26:05that's happening globally. And, um, not that long ago, our team,
- 26:09uh, out of Singapore and Sydney posted the fly-through
- 26:12of the expo floor for XeroCon. So Xero is a large
- 26:16client of ours. XeroCon is affectionately known as the Coachella for accountants.
- 26:20It's a great, it's a great show. Yep, we just did, um, XeroCon London.
- 26:24The fly-through of that expo space that
- 26:28was posted on the Slack channel generated more, uh,
- 26:32conversation and comments and how did you do that.
- 26:36And it was because it wasn't it was so,
- 26:40um, layered and rich with content and
- 26:44creativity. And of course, the fly-through— not the, not the design itself,
- 26:47the concept of the design was done by our creative team— that fly-through which brought
- 26:52it to life, and to your point, helped our client sign off super fast because
- 26:56it was like being in the room, was all done in AI. And it was
- 26:59extraordinary and done in a fraction of the time that
- 27:02that would have taken. And so you are spot on, it's helping clients make decisions
- 27:06faster. It's also helped setting their expectations,
- 27:09right? So AI can really, if it's done right, can give
- 27:14you a true snapshot and what that preview
- 27:19experience of the attendee is really going to be. Instead of
- 27:23imagine if you will, you hit play and you're like, this is what it's going
- 27:27to look like and feel like for your attendees as they move through it.
- 27:30And we're also using it in just your basic stuff, onsite agendas,
- 27:34production schedules, you know, case studies,
- 27:38so much where it's at our fingertips now that, to your point,
- 27:41used to take quite a bit of time. So I don't see it necessarily like
- 27:45replacing any role within our company, but it's certainly going to
- 27:48make the jobs of our production coordinators and our
- 27:52producers so much more efficient that they will be able to
- 27:57move quicker through those tasks that sometimes frankly seemed quite tedious.
- 28:02Yeah. And I found something really strange about AI, and I wonder
- 28:06if anybody else has had a similar, uh, experience, is that,
- 28:10you know, for every person that worries that, oh no,
- 28:13it's going to take a job away or it's going to make somebody redundant,
- 28:17um, I found when I was— you— I used AI as
- 28:21a, as a tool for a job not so long ago,
- 28:24for an event job that I was planning. And I'll not go into the specifics
- 28:28of how or why I use it, what for, But it saved me
- 28:32about 4 hours on a task, and it did it perfectly.
- 28:36I was really, really happy with the result. And rather
- 28:40than thinking, oh great, well, that saved me a load of time, I can kick
- 28:43back and relax and everything, it actually made me more enthusiastic that
- 28:46I'd use this tool to do something so quickly and so productively.
- 28:50It actually had the opposite effect. It drove me on. I thought, great, what else
- 28:55can I get through today? Oh right, well, I've done that job, I'm going to
- 28:57do this. I've actually had a positive experience in the sense that it's
- 29:01actually made me more enthusiastic because it's almost— it's given me a sense of reward
- 29:05that I've achieved something so quickly. And I think for everybody that's worried about
- 29:10it, there's actually this opposite effect that I'm really curious to know if anybody else
- 29:13has had a similar sort of feeling. Absolutely. I just, just had
- 29:17it yesterday. Plug something in. I needed a quick calendar made for a
- 29:22project that I'm working on. I gave very general dates and timeframes and Now,
- 29:27now you just said something very interesting though, right? That it gave— that
- 29:31AI produced something that was perfect. Yeah. If you didn't
- 29:35have the skills and the knowledge and the experience
- 29:39to know it was perfect, then you run into a problem,
- 29:42right? So the only reason why you knew it was perfect is because you have
- 29:46the skills, the experience, and the knowledge to recognize that it was perfect. So again,
- 29:50I think that's why, that's why I'm not I think the live event space
- 29:55more than any is quite AI-proof. You know,
- 29:58we need to be in the room. And so there's all that stuff we were
- 30:01talking about, you know, early on in our conversation that, you know, that live experience,
- 30:05people in the room is just so irreplaceable.
- 30:08It's certainly irreplaceable by AI. But what I'm saying is like the skills
- 30:12of the people are still so needed. Like, how do you know that what,
- 30:15you know, I mean, if you didn't look at it and like just sent it
- 30:19off to you, team and there were tons of mistakes in it, then not
- 30:22such a great experience. You've just reminded me of something
- 30:26that I, I, uh, witnessed on Friday night.
- 30:29Uh, very quick story. I was, I was out for dinner with some friends,
- 30:32my wife and I and another couple. We're in a really, really great, uh,
- 30:35Italian restaurant, um, in Leeds. Big place,
- 30:39and they have live, live act on every night
- 30:42of the week. And after the live entertainment had finished
- 30:46They had a big projector screen that dropped down and they were showing like a
- 30:50cycle of their forthcoming events. Okay, so all pretty standard
- 30:53so far. It was obvious which ones of the slides had been
- 30:56generated by AI because everything looks the same when you're
- 31:00lazy with AI, uh, in terms of generating images. Everything looks
- 31:04the same. And they were promoting a country and western, a country kind
- 31:08of live act that was coming up. And on the thing that they did,
- 31:11graphic that they generated it should have said the words saddle
- 31:15up. Oh no. But AI had missed out a D in the
- 31:20middle of saddle, so it actually said sadle up. And it
- 31:23was so small, it was right at the bottom of the screen, but I caught
- 31:27it on the cycle of these things and I saw it. I thought, there we
- 31:29go, there's a prime example of somebody— they've used AI clearly to
- 31:34generate that graphic. Yeah. And nobody has checked it. Nobody's gone into the detail
- 31:38of checking it. And it said sadle up. AI had missed a D out of
- 31:41the spelling. So, yeah, you know, there's a lesson to us all there if you're
- 31:46going to saddle up with AI. Point taken.
- 31:49A lesson for us all. Tell me, just before we wrap up today's episode,
- 31:53Christina, I'll bring it back to sort of a
- 31:56maybe a more sort of personal level. For you working in the industry,
- 32:01you know, you've helped to build and shape a global
- 32:05organization. Are you still as enthused
- 32:09today as you were when you started? How does it feel on a personal level
- 32:12getting up every day and working in this industry?
- 32:15Such a great question because the answer is,
- 32:18you know, more than ever. I think we
- 32:23talk about this quite a bit as a culture, but our industry is having a
- 32:26moment. There's no question about it. There is a focus
- 32:30on live events, there is a level of respect and
- 32:34appetite and creative
- 32:39energy around the space that I frankly have not seen
- 32:43in, in my career that I'm incredibly excited about. And I know our clients are,
- 32:47and I know our teams are. It's easier
- 32:51to explain what we do because it's everywhere now, right? Like,
- 32:54there it's— it again, it's become, you know, people's time,
- 32:56people's presence in any space is a currency,
- 33:00more so now than it ever has been. So I'm more enthusiastic now
- 33:04about our industry than I ever have been. Fabulous. It's been great speaking to you
- 33:08today. Thank you very much for taking time out, you know, at the start of
- 33:11a week as well. I'm always— I tend to record these on a Monday,
- 33:14and I'm never not grateful for the fact that people are joining me,
- 33:18generally speaking, on their busiest day of the week when their inbox is the
- 33:22fullest. So yeah, I'm very grateful for you to
- 33:26sort of take a bit of time out of your diary, Christina, and join us
- 33:29today. Thank you, James, it was a pleasure. Um, my guest today,
- 33:32uh, is the Global President of Invent, Christina McCubrey,
- 33:35talking everything global events agency, the ethos behind it.
- 33:39Um, some great stuff here, but really, if you want to find out more about
- 33:43this great, uh, agency, please do head over to their website.
- 33:46Um, I'll pop that up now, it's invent.com. And, uh, for anybody not
- 33:50familiar with the brand, I-N-V-E-N-T.com.
- 33:55Invent.com is where you'll find out more about
- 33:59Christina and all of her colleagues and all of the things that we talked about
- 34:02today, and probably a lot more besides. Some great case studies,
- 34:06information on the work that they do. So yeah, do go and check those guys
- 34:09out. And whilst you're doing that, and once you've checked out everything that Invent have
- 34:13got to offer, please do make sure that you have a little look around the
- 34:15rest of the Event Industry News website. If you've started your journey today
- 34:19by watching today's podcast, on the podcasts page of the website.
- 34:23Make sure that you go and check out all the special news features, supplements that
- 34:27are on the website, as well as the supplier directory. If you work in the
- 34:30events industry and you're looking for a product, service, or supplier, the chances are you
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- 34:51you do also take a few minutes to head over to the website and check
- 34:55out all the things that I've just mentioned. Thank you very much again today
- 34:58to my guest, Christina McCoubrey. My name is James Dixon, and we'll see you on
- 35:01the next edition of the Event Industry News Podcast. Goodbye,