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- Lucas: Melanie Perkins and Cliff Obrecht pitched a hundred venture capitalists before anyone said yes. And the idea wasn't even the one that eventually made them billionaires. Luna: Wait — they were pitching something else first? Lucas: Yeah, the original pitch was FusionBooks, a tool for college yearbooks. Perkins had this insight from helping her mom with yearbook layouts — the software was terrible. So she built a web-based alternative that students could use collaboratively. That company actually worked, but it was tiny. The real insight came when she realized the problem wasn't just yearbooks. It was design, period. Most people can't use Photoshop. And they shouldn't have to. Luna: So they pivoted from yearbook software to a general design platform? That's a massive leap. Lucas: Not exactly a pivot — more like an expansion. FusionBooks proved the concept that non-designers would use a drag and drop tool. But to build the bigger thing, they needed capital. And that's where the hundred rejections come in. VCs looked at two young founders from Perth, Australia — not Silicon Valley — and thought, 'Who's going to beat Adobe?' Luna: Right, because Adobe was already dominant. Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign — the whole Creative Suite. Lucas: Exactly. But Perkins's argument was that Adobe had the wrong user in mind. Adobe serves professionals — graphic designers, photographers, video editors. That's maybe 10 million people globally. Canva went after the other seven billion. People who need a birthday invitation, a social media post, or a resume. They don't want to learn layers and masking. They want a template and a drag and drop interface. Luna: And that bet paid off. Canva hit 100 million monthly active users earlier this year. That's more than the entire user base of Adobe's creative products combined. Lucas: That number — 100 million MAUs — is staggering when you think about it. Adobe's entire creative cloud has about 28 million subscribers. Canva has three and a half times that many monthly actives. And the growth has been accelerating. They added the last 50 million users in just over two years. Luna: How did they get there? The freemium model is part of it, but so many freemium products fizzle out. Lucas: Freemium with a viral loop. Here's the mechanism: someone creates a design on Canva. To share it, they send a link. The person on the other end doesn't need an account to view it — but to edit or customize, they do. So they sign up. Then they create their own design and share it. Every share is a potential new user. It's classic product-led growth, but with a twist: the template ecosystem. Canva has millions of templates, and users are constantly creating and sharing new ones. That generates a network effect that gets stronger as more people join. Luna: So the templates themselves are a growth engine. I've used Canva for presentations, and I always end up browsing templates just to see what's trending. Lucas: That browsing behavior is huge. Canva's search and discovery within the platform keeps users engaged even when they don't have a specific project in mind. And the templates are categorized by use case — social media, marketing, education, events. Each category has its own sub-community of creators. The company now has over 100,000 template creators, many of whom earn a living from the Canva Creator program. Luna: Let's talk about the business model. Canva is not a tiny company anymore — it's reportedly valued at $40 billion. How do they make money if most users are free? Lucas: The free tier is generous — thousands of templates, plenty of storage, basic design tools. The pro tier costs about $120 per year per user, and it adds things like brand kits, background removal, resizing, and access to premium stock photos. They also have an enterprise tier for teams, with centralized billing, brand controls, and analytics. As of their last disclosed numbers, Canva had over 20 million paying subscribers and was generating $1.7 billion in annual recurring revenue. Luna: That's impressive for a company that started with no design background and no Silicon Valley connections. Lucas: They've also been smart about acquisitions. In 2019 they bought Pixlr, a free online photo editor, to bring more advanced editing capabilities into the platform. Then in 2020 they acquired Pexels and Pixabay — two massive stock photo libraries. Those acquisitions gave Canva a huge asset library without having to build it from scratch. And they integrated everything into the product so seamlessly that most users don't even notice. Luna: So now Canva is not just a design tool — it's an asset library, a photo editor, and a collaboration platform all in one. Where do they go from here? Lucas: The big push right now is Visual Suite, which they launched in 2024. It's an attempt to expand beyond static design into presentations, documents, whiteboards, and video editing. Essentially, they want to be the default productivity layer for visual communication. Think Google Docs but with design built in from the start. Presentations are a particularly big target — they've added features like real-time collaboration, presenter mode, and export to PowerPoint. Luna: That puts them in direct competition with Microsoft, specifically PowerPoint. Microsoft just launched Designer, which uses AI to generate slide layouts. How is Canva competing on the AI front? Lucas: Canva has been investing heavily in AI. They have 'Magic Design' — you upload a photo or describe what you want, and the AI generates a fully styled template. 'Magic Write' generates copy. 'Magic Eraser' removes objects from images. And 'Magic Morph' lets you change styles with a text prompt. The goal is to make the design process even more accessible — you don't need to drag and drop, just describe what you want. They're essentially trying to make design as easy as typing. Luna: But Microsoft has Distribution. Every Office 365 subscriber already has PowerPoint. Canva has to convince people to leave that ecosystem. Lucas: That's the challenge. Canva's advantage is that it's web-based and works on any device, including Chromebooks and mobile. PowerPoint is still primarily a desktop app. Also, Canva's templates are far more modern and visually appealing out of the box. For small businesses, marketing teams, and educators, Canva is often the better fit. The question is whether they can move upmarket to enterprise without losing the simplicity that made them popular. Luna: Speaking of enterprise, Canva has been hiring aggressively from Salesforce and Atlassian to build out their enterprise sales team. But their DNA is product-led growth, not enterprise sales. Can they make that shift? Lucas: It's a classic startup tension. Product-led growth companies often struggle with top-down enterprise sales because their go to market is built around self-service and virality. Canva has done well with teams — the collaboration features make it sticky inside organizations. But closing a six-figure deal with a Fortune 500 company requires a different playbook. They've hired a new chief revenue officer from Salesforce, and they're building a channel partner program. Early signs are promising, but it's still early. Luna: And then there's the IPO question. The company has been rumored to be considering an IPO for a couple of years now. With a $40 billion private valuation, where would they list? Lucas: Most likely the NASDAQ. But the timing is tricky. The IPO market has been subdued in 2025 and early 2026. Investors are cautious about high-growth tech companies that aren't yet profitable on a GAAP basis. Canva is profitable on an EBITDA basis, but they're investing heavily in AI and enterprise features, so net income is thin. They'll need to show a clear path to profitability at scale before going public. My guess is they wait until 2027 unless market conditions improve significantly. Luna: But they have plenty of cash — they raised $200 million in a secondary sale last year, and they've been cash flow positive for a while. They don't need to go public for capital. Lucas: Exactly. The IPO would be about liquidity for early investors and employees, and brand building. But if they can keep growing at 30% plus year over year, they can afford to wait. The real risk is competition. Microsoft is adding AI design features to Office. Adobe launched a freemium version of Express. And there are smaller players like Figma — though Figma's attempted acquisition by Adobe fell through, so they remain independent and competitive. Luna: So the moat is the template ecosystem and the brand. Canva is synonymous with 'easy design' for millions of people. That's not easy to replicate. Lucas: It's not. And they've built a powerful data network effect — every time someone creates a design, they're teaching Canva's AI what works. The more people use it, the better the templates get, the more templates are created, and the stickier the platform becomes. That's a moat that gets deeper over time. Luna: So what's the one thing you'd tell a founder about Canva's story that isn't obvious? Lucas: That the biggest opportunities often come from serving people the incumbents ignore. Adobe ignored non-designers. Microsoft ignored visual communication. Canva built a billion-dollar company in the gap between them. It's a reminder that 'no one is doing that' can mean 'everyone else is fighting over a small pool of users, and there's an ocean right next to it.' Luna: And that a hundred rejections doesn't mean the idea is bad — it might mean you're pitching the wrong people. Lucas: Exactly. If Perkins had listened to those VCs, Canva never happens. She believed in the data from FusionBooks — that regular people want to design but can't — and she trusted that instinct. That's the startup story, isn't it? Persistence plus a clear-eyed view of who you're serving. Luna: And now Canva serves a hundred million of those people every month. Not a bad outcome for two founders from Perth. Lucas: Not bad at all. And it's still early — the visual communication market is massive, and Canva is only scratching the surface. I'm curious to see how they navigate the enterprise push and the AI arms race. Should be a fascinating few years. Luna: I'll be watching. And probably designing a few more presentations on Canva in the meantime. Lucas: Same here. For Startup Stories, I'm Lucas. Luna: And I'm Luna. See you next time.