Latest / Closing Sales in Nigeria - Sales For The Nigerian Business Person: The Sales and Marketing Blueprint / Presenting Your Best Self: Sales Attire, Trust Building, and Risk Mitigation
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- 0:00Hello and welcome to the show. Today's episode is definitely
- 0:03going to be a noisy 1 because I'm currently at the tire
- 0:06dealers. So just trying to get all the
- 0:08tires on. The car changed because the
- 0:11tires were in the real disreputable state.
- 0:14So I figured, you know, now that there's some spare cash, let me
- 0:16just put brand new tires on it. So even if you're driving the
- 0:19jalopy, at least you should, you know, look respectable somehow.
- 0:23Anyway, so I expect to hear some interruptions in the background.
- 0:27Now for today's episode, I just realized that there's something
- 0:30I forgot to mention. That's for those of you who
- 0:32listen to the episode that I made about my conversation with
- 0:35Martins and Victor. So remember, Martins and Victor
- 0:38were the callers who called into my radio show.
- 0:42That is, you know, not the podcast.
- 0:43I mean, this is your first time listening.
- 0:44I have a radio show that is focused on business education
- 0:48and it's on Radio Maria, 91.3 FM.
- 0:51So there are two callers who called in on the 25th of March,
- 0:55right? Yes, on the 25th of March, OK.
- 0:59No, no, not the 25th. They called the week before that
- 1:03and their names are Martins and the Victor.
- 1:05Now one of them wanted to raise finance for his NIN and SIM
- 1:09registration business, you know SIM like mobile SIM for your
- 1:12phone and then NIN as in national identity number.
- 1:16Yeah, NIN registration that everyone in Nigeria has to do.
- 1:20So, yeah, one individual trying to raise finance for same and
- 1:25lien registration and then the other individual who wanted to
- 1:27raise finance for the car fleet business, he wanted to run the
- 1:30car fleet business, you know, so they can use for Bolt and Uber
- 1:34and all that. And so they had come up with
- 1:38business plans. I wanted to look at their
- 1:39business plans. So they got in touch with me
- 1:41after the show was up and then we had a conference call to
- 1:44troubleshoot a couple of things. So if you had listened to the
- 1:47prior episode, I had spoken about how they needed to change,
- 1:50or rather they need to make some additions to the business plan
- 1:53needed to include a funding request so that the people that
- 1:57they're trying to raise money from, whether it's institutional
- 2:01people like banks, Oregon microfinance, or whether it's
- 2:06private people who want to put some equity investment.
- 2:08You know, maybe like you want to talk to your rich uncle or
- 2:10something like that, or your rich auntie to invest money in
- 2:13the business. You need to put the funding
- 2:15request so they can let the person know, this is exactly how
- 2:17much I'm trying to raise from you.
- 2:19This is what I'm going to use the money for.
- 2:21This is how much money we're going to make on top of it.
- 2:23And this is how I expect to pay you back.
- 2:26So those were the sections that I had.
- 2:31I had them working on basically to add to the business plan.
- 2:34So I already made a podcast episode maybe 3 or 4 days ago
- 2:38about all of that. So no point in repeating it
- 2:40here. But the reason why I'm making
- 2:43today's episode is because I remember that there's something
- 2:46I forgot to mention because of my conversation with these
- 2:49shops, Martins and Victor, a couple of things came out.
- 2:54The usual things that people think about when it comes to
- 2:56sale sales. So a couple of miss.
- 3:02I'm sorry about that. Like I said, you know, I'm at
- 3:05the tire dealer, so that's going to happen a lot, you know,
- 3:07people walking by and having conversations and all that.
- 3:10OK, so where was I now? So I'm saying so by talking to
- 3:18Martins and Victors now, Victor, I realized that they had a
- 3:21couple of misconceptions about sales.
- 3:23You know, there are some things that they thought about sales
- 3:27that were correct and some things that were not.
- 3:28And so I just want to address some of those things, reinforce
- 3:31the things that they got right, and then dispel the myths about
- 3:34the things that they got wrong. Because I was trying to impress
- 3:37upon them that when you're trying to raise finance for a
- 3:39business, it is also a sale. So just like you're trying to
- 3:44sell. OK, Yeah.
- 3:46Like, so I'm at the car dealers now.
- 3:48If you sell tyres, that is a sale.
- 3:50You're always trying to convince somebody that this tyre is the
- 3:53best, you know, fit for your car, this tyre is the best
- 3:55quality, This tyre is the best value for money, you know, on
- 3:58and on. So it's a sale.
- 3:59If you're an entire business, you know, you're selling.
- 4:02But then people don't also realize that if you're trying to
- 4:04raise finance and you're talking to a microfinance bank, you're
- 4:07trying to sell yourself. You're trying to sell the
- 4:08business idea, you're trying to sell the opportunity because the
- 4:12microfinance bank does not want to lose money.
- 4:14They want to give money out and they want to get good money back
- 4:16in return. So you're trying to sell
- 4:18yourself and the opportunity that this is good business.
- 4:21And if you're going to talk to your rich uncle or your rich
- 4:23auntie or, you know, maybe Popsy has some money, you know,
- 4:27although to be honest, at the end of the day, Pops, you
- 4:29forgive you and just let the thing go like that.
- 4:30I mean, you know, it's nature. That's just the way it is.
- 4:34But if you're talking to anybody else and there's nothing like
- 4:36write off, you really have to sell yourself that look, I'm
- 4:39capable that I can pull this thing off.
- 4:41This business idea is a solid idea.
- 4:43This is the amount of money that can be made.
- 4:45This is the time frame which you can make it.
- 4:47And this is how I want to be able to pay you back.
- 4:48So you actually are trying to sell yourself, sell the idea,
- 4:51sell the opportunity and sell the upside.
- 4:54So it's a sale. So we did have those
- 4:56conversations and then that's where some misconceptions around
- 4:59sales came up. So for Victor in particular, the
- 5:02fellow who wants to do the mean registration, his own opinion of
- 5:07selling began with looking presentable.
- 5:10And in that sense, I will agree that yes, you have to look
- 5:14presentable before you can sell. And it's a, it's a traditional
- 5:19kernel of sales that we must always look appropriate when you
- 5:24are selling. Now the reason why I like that
- 5:26term appropriate is because lots of people believe in packaging
- 5:31when it comes to selling. But it's not just a matter of
- 5:34packaging for packaging sake or packaging for all times, but
- 5:37rather you should be focused on being dressed appropriately to
- 5:40the circumstance, to the situation, to the context and to
- 5:43the client. Because there are some
- 5:46situations where, let's say if you're going to meet Dangote,
- 5:49the appropriate thing to do if you're trying to raise finance
- 5:51that from him would be maybe to dress in a suit or maybe to
- 5:54dress in in in trad. But then again, if maybe you're
- 6:01selling tractors and you're going to meet farmers in the
- 6:04village, maybe you're trying to sell tractors in natural state
- 6:06or something, it might be out of place for you to show up in a
- 6:10suit. And maybe even if you show up in
- 6:13Triad, it might be out of place for you to show up in Flowing
- 6:15Abada if you guys are going to be talking in the rural
- 6:18community. So I hope you guys get the juice
- 6:20of what it is I'm trying to say here because some people just
- 6:23assume now, OK, because we're selling, we should always be
- 6:27dressed fly. We should always be packaging,
- 6:29you know, yes, package the best that you can, but remember it is
- 6:32always, it always has to be appropriate and relevant to the
- 6:36circumstance, to the context, to the person that you're talking
- 6:39to. So it depends.
- 6:41So there are some situations where if you want to be
- 6:44effective at selling you gas package yourself well, suit and
- 6:46tie. But then there are some
- 6:48situations where if you want to sell well, the context might be
- 6:52jeans and T-shirt. I know some of you might be
- 6:54shocked to say, how can I be telling you to wear jeans and
- 6:56T-shirt? But like I said, it is
- 6:58contextual. It depends.
- 7:00So back in my event days, wedding and photography days, it
- 7:05is not unusual for a wedding planner who maybe is doing a
- 7:08follow up consultation with the client at the house on the
- 7:10weekend. It's not unusual for you to show
- 7:12out in, you know, correct jeans, you know, good quality jeans.
- 7:15I don't know what good quality jeans are by the way, but
- 7:18there's some people that can just look at.
- 7:19So this is good quality jeans. Like my mom sees like that.
- 7:21My mom, you say I don't wear that again, this thing is cheap
- 7:24or my wife would say you're disgracing me.
- 7:26I're wearing cheap jeans, wear this one instead.
- 7:29So there are some circumstances where it's OK.
- 7:33It's a follow up consultation. You can show up in jeans and
- 7:35T-shirt and that's still OK. So it depends.
- 7:40So I won't say you always have to wear a suit and tie.
- 7:42But yes, dressing properly, looking presentable, yes that is
- 7:46the beginning. But now how much gadging up
- 7:51should we do? How much packaging should we do
- 7:56traditionally in sales? The idea is you want to dress at
- 7:59the level of your prospect. I repeat, you want to dress at
- 8:02the level of your prospect. So if you're going to see down
- 8:05with A to raise funds and let's say down with a normally wears
- 8:07suit and tie, then that's what you should do, suit and tie.
- 8:11Or if down with a normally wears trad, then that's what you do
- 8:14trad. So you have that dress at the
- 8:18same level as your prospect or you dress one level up.
- 8:22So in other words, if you're going to raise finance from down
- 8:25with it, unless a down with it normally wears a brother.
- 8:28So I tried it might be somehow if the trade that he normally
- 8:32wears is what do you call this thing?
- 8:35Forgive me, I'm not stylish. So I don't know these terms.
- 8:37The normal trad, just basic, normal, simple trad.
- 8:43It will be somewhere. If you now show up to that
- 8:44meeting when full flowing, a brother will be somehow, you
- 8:48know the prospect is there and and you're trying to dress like
- 8:51two or three steps above. It's pass across the wrong
- 8:55message. You're overdoing it.
- 8:58So either dress at the same level of the prospect.
- 9:00Remember, relative to the context, the context will
- 9:03determine, but dress at the same level or maybe just one level
- 9:08up. There are some people who try to
- 9:10dress one level down, but no more.
- 9:13So like let's say damp. It is a suit and tie kind of
- 9:15person, but maybe you're trying to appear casual and then you
- 9:18show up in the suit, but then you remove the tie because
- 9:21you're trying to appear casual. Yeah, that one is a is a tricky
- 9:25thing to do. That's trying to be differential
- 9:27in your dressing. That one is kind of tricky.
- 9:29So in my own opinion, don't explore that yet.
- 9:31Just try and dress at the same level or try and dress one level
- 9:36up. Then let's see.
- 9:39OK then. Victor also spoke about being
- 9:41passionate as the fellow who wants to do the car fleet.
- 9:43And yes, passion is important, but a lot of people
- 9:46misunderstand what is going on here.
- 9:48People think that it is the passion that is doing the
- 9:50selling, but no, it is not the passion that is doing the
- 9:53selling. For those of you who are
- 9:55listening to the podcast and who are flowing with what I'm saying
- 9:57is not because of the level of passion that I'm using that is
- 10:01making you to understand the main thing.
- 10:05The main dynamic is, well, first of all, there are two things
- 10:08that are involved when we're having sales conversations.
- 10:10There is understanding value and then there is communicating
- 10:13value. Understanding value is knowing
- 10:16what is important to the other person, what the other person
- 10:19finds desirable, what the other person wants to achieve.
- 10:21Understanding value is all about the other person.
- 10:24Communicating value is when you now understand what the other
- 10:28person is about and you can make a convincing proposal, you know,
- 10:32by saying this product will help you like this.
- 10:34This service will help you like that.
- 10:36It will help you solve this problem.
- 10:37It will this, it will this, it will that.
- 10:39So instead of focusing on things like passion and authenticity,
- 10:44it's one of the reasons why I hate authenticity because all of
- 10:46you are running around trying to be authentic.
- 10:48I wonder why you're not closing deals.
- 10:50It's because you're paying attention to the wrong thing.
- 10:51Passion and authenticity have absolutely nothing to do with
- 10:54it. They're just byproducts.
- 10:56Focus on understanding value or communicating value.
- 10:58First of all. Go there and be sure that you
- 11:00understand. You understand the person's
- 11:03context, their needs, their problems, what they're trying to
- 11:05achieve, you know, their vision, whatever it is.
- 11:09It is when you understand that, that you can now make a
- 11:12compelling proposal. And then of course, when you're
- 11:14making a compelling proposal or presentation and you're talking
- 11:17about their needs and how you can help them solve their
- 11:19problems and things like that, of course, your passion will now
- 11:23shine through. So that's how it works.
- 11:25So like I said, I'm here at the tire dealers.
- 11:29It's not about making a passionate plea, excuse me,
- 11:32about which tire is the best. It's about, first of all,
- 11:34understanding this guy. Who is this guy?
- 11:36Was this person was their budget about does he want second hand
- 11:39tires or does he want brand new tires?
- 11:41If he wants brand new tires, is he looking for the kind of thing
- 11:43that can last three years or five years?
- 11:46So he's only when you have figured out all these sorts of
- 11:48things. Who is this person?
- 11:50How often does he drive? Does he drive to Benway a lot or
- 11:53is he going to be using the car within the city?
- 11:55Is it just for school runs or is the person the contractor, he's
- 11:58always driving to the Bush? You know, you ask all these
- 12:00questions, then you'll be able to tell the person that, look,
- 12:02Bros, I know you're looking at this tire because of the money.
- 12:06But look, let me be honest with you.
- 12:08You say you've been driving to the Bush a lot and this and this
- 12:10and that and that. If you buy this particular one,
- 12:12I can't guarantee you that this thing is going to last one year.
- 12:16So in my professional opinion, use this, use this or consider
- 12:19this, or maybe you can start like this or you can do
- 12:21something else. So simple, simple.
- 12:27So those are the things that determine, those are the things
- 12:31that those are the things that are influential, that really are
- 12:37influential when it comes to closing the sale.
- 12:40So it's not about your authenticity and it is not about
- 12:45your passion. It's not authenticity, it's not
- 12:48passion. It's not of all that fluffy
- 12:50stuff. It's about understanding value
- 12:51and it's about communicating value.
- 12:54So if you're one of these individuals like Victor and you
- 12:56think that passion is what it is that is making it easy for you
- 13:00to sell, then sorry, one moment I have to attend to the dealer.
- 13:08OK, I'm sorry about that. I'm back.
- 13:10I need to attend to the the fellow who is working on the
- 13:14car. In fact, it's the perfect
- 13:15examples of because the reason why the guy needed my attention
- 13:18is he pointed out that the the Hobcaps, No, not the Hobcaps.
- 13:22The what are they called now, the Hobbs, that the Hobbs are
- 13:26rusty. And so we're discussing how it
- 13:29is that we can deal with that. So he was talking about how you
- 13:31can sandpaper the Hobbs and after you sign paper the hubs,
- 13:34you can do anti rust spray and then after that treatment you
- 13:40can now fix the task back and then you're good to go so that
- 13:42the hubs will not now be rusty. Now if there are some of you
- 13:46listening to this podcast now who think that passion is the
- 13:49main thing, you think that the fellow who is talking about this
- 13:52thing has to be passionate and has to make a passionate plea.
- 13:56But no, it's not. What the young man did, first of
- 13:59all, was to point out that there is rust and he wanted to know if
- 14:04it's something that I want to do about it.
- 14:07It is only after figuring out that I'm interested because
- 14:10there's some people who don't give a hoot as far as they're
- 14:12concerned, like, and The thing is rusty.
- 14:13So The thing is rusty. That was my own.
- 14:15As long as the car is moving, no problem.
- 14:18So it was only after figuring out that I'm interested in the
- 14:20sort of thing that we now started looking at options for
- 14:25how we can deal with this thing permanently.
- 14:28So you can see that it's about understanding value first and
- 14:31then the whole thing of passion, authenticity and communicating
- 14:35value like all of that will flow.
- 14:37But don't enter into sales situations thinking that it is
- 14:39your passion and it is your enthusiasm and it is your
- 14:44authenticity. I know what not that is closing
- 14:46the deal. The dynamic there is
- 14:49understanding value and then communicating value.
- 14:52Then the final thing that I want to mention is in the
- 14:54conversation with the victim, he mentioned that when talking with
- 14:57car dealers because he's trying to raise finance by talking to
- 15:02car dealers who have idle inventory sitting around because
- 15:04you know, it happens in Abuja. Now you have all these places,
- 15:07people have a car lot, maybe there's like 75 cars there and
- 15:11the cars are just sitting there doing nothing.
- 15:14And so that's his whole shtick. He goes around, he talks to
- 15:17these people and his plan is that, look, you have 75 cars
- 15:20just sitting around here doing nothing.
- 15:22But if we can enter into an agreement and I can take 20 of
- 15:25these cars, this is how we take care of them.
- 15:27This is how we're going to use them.
- 15:29This is how much money we should be able to make.
- 15:31And this is how much money I'm going to be able to give you at
- 15:33the end of the day. So.
- 15:38So where was I? So I lost my train of thought.
- 15:46Yeah. So.
- 15:48So he's going to these car dealers now and then, but he
- 15:51doesn't. It's not everybody that is
- 15:53convinced. And he got the impression that,
- 15:56you know, some people have been, how do I put it, like somebody
- 16:01has done them strong thing before because these kind of
- 16:03things happen. You're trying to do business
- 16:04with someone, you give them your cars and next thing you know,
- 16:08one or two, one or two of the cars get involved in an accident
- 16:11or maybe somebody steals a car or something like that.
- 16:13So these things happen. People do strong thing in
- 16:15business generally. So he was of the opinion that
- 16:19some people don't want to listen to him because because they're
- 16:23scared. And so I told him that, OK, now
- 16:25this is what we do. People get scared to get
- 16:28involved in businesses all the time.
- 16:30So from a sales and business development perspective, there
- 16:33are these things that we call risk mitigation strategies or
- 16:36risk reversal strategies. The idea behind risk mitigation
- 16:40or risk reversal is this is to call it how that look, you know
- 16:43what, as we turn into this business, 12345 are the risks
- 16:47that are normally involved, but this is how we plan to take care
- 16:52of these sorts of things. So what do you think?
- 16:55You call it out? You ask the person straight up.
- 16:58Because The thing is, it's already at the back of the
- 16:59person's mind. How will I know that this person
- 17:01will steal my car? How will I know that the person
- 17:03will damage my car? How will I know that the person
- 17:06will harvest my car for parts? You know, all kinds of things at
- 17:08the back of the person's mind. So, so we started exploring some
- 17:15risk mitigation strategies. Well, and by the way, when we're
- 17:18having these conversations, if I'm having a coaching session
- 17:20with you, I'm not the one who's going to come up with the
- 17:22answers. It has to be you because you are
- 17:24the specialist in your business. I'm the specialist in the
- 17:28selling process and selling frameworks, but I don't know
- 17:30your business. So you're the one who's going to
- 17:32come up with the answers. So some of the things that we
- 17:35brainstorm together and some of the solutions that he came up
- 17:37with is this, he mentioned insurance and that is part of
- 17:41him doing business that he always insures the cars.
- 17:44So whatever insurance it is that you you have on it, you know,
- 17:47that's your own business. But him when he collects a car
- 17:49and he adds it to his fleet, he's going to take out specific
- 17:52kinds of insurance that will cover him in the running of the
- 17:56business and cover the vehicle. So that last last, if anything
- 18:00happens that is any brigade is any quarter insurance is there
- 18:03to make sure that the original owner of the car gets their
- 18:05money back. So that's one thing, insurance
- 18:09#2 whatever security feature you have on the car, that's up to
- 18:14you. But for him, when he collects
- 18:16your vehicle, he always ensures car tracking on it so that they
- 18:19can know anywhere where the car is in West Africa.
- 18:23If the car is in Nigeria and is in Abuja, they will know it was
- 18:26in Lagos, they will know. If it's in Benin Republic, they
- 18:28will know. That is something that he does
- 18:31for all the cars that he collects.
- 18:33You see that's another way of making, making somebody feel
- 18:36comfortable like OK, this is what this guy is doing to
- 18:39prevent theft or misuse. Because if you give your car to
- 18:43somebody for both to be used only in Abuja and then from car
- 18:47tracking, you can see that the car is in Benin Republic.
- 18:49You know, it raises the question like what are you doing driving
- 18:52my car across international borders?
- 18:54So car tracking, that's something that he does.
- 18:56Then he also has a system where the drivers of the cars collect
- 19:00deposits so that that is sort of as a security for the owner so
- 19:05that the owner gets paid. He tried explaining the driver
- 19:08deposit thing to me and to be honest, I think I understand
- 19:10because me, if I'm a bull driver, there's no how me, I'm
- 19:12dropping a deposit before I take the car because for me, the way
- 19:16I look at it, I'm supposed to be using the car to make money.
- 19:19But this one that you're collecting money from me
- 19:20upfront. But anyway, maybe it's the
- 19:22tradition. And you see, that's the reason
- 19:25why I say you have to come up with the ideas because I don't
- 19:27know the car fleet industry. I don't know the traditions.
- 19:29And to me that one doesn't make sense.
- 19:31But if it's a practice, it's a practice.
- 19:33So the driver deposits are now securities to make sure that any
- 19:37which way the person who owns the original car is going to get
- 19:40paid. And then finally, he also does
- 19:43sensitization programs with the VIO, that's the vehicle
- 19:47Inspection office. Then NURTW, that's the National
- 19:50Union of Rd. Transport Workers, then the
- 19:53police and the Federal Rd. Safety Corps.
- 19:56He does sensitization programs with them and all his drivers.
- 19:59Now that is also me. Quite frankly, from all the
- 20:01things you said so far, that's the one that even give me the
- 20:03most peace now, OK, this guy that I'm handing over the car
- 20:06to, you know, he, he's in good, excuse me, he's in good standing
- 20:12with police and road safety. In fact, for me, that's the only
- 20:14one that would give me security. You know, I would like to show
- 20:17up for that kind of sensitization.
- 20:18I even collect the police officers number so that tomorrow
- 20:20if there's any problem I know a specific police officer.
- 20:23And I'm going to go and call and just say, look there, your guy,
- 20:26you know, you know, I don't guess so.
- 20:30Oh, yeah, police over to you. So what?
- 20:33You can see now that sometimes you're trying to have sales
- 20:38conversations with people, and people are not entirely bought
- 20:40in. And sometimes it's because of
- 20:42significant fears that they have before going into business with
- 20:46you. And you're not going to achieve
- 20:48anything if you just keep quiet and pretend that these fears
- 20:50don't exist. Use risk mitigation strategies
- 20:54or risk reversal strategies. Call the thing out and have this
- 20:57conversation. So in this case, having these
- 21:00conversations, because even though Martins knew about these
- 21:04things and does them, it wasn't an essential part of your
- 21:07selling process. And it should be if you're in
- 21:09this kind of business, you should have that kind of
- 21:11conversation. OK, look, bro, yes, there are
- 21:14risking this business. This can happen, this can
- 21:16happen. But these are the things that
- 21:19I've already that I do for my own business to make sure that
- 21:21there's no quarrel. All the cars are insured.
- 21:24This is the class of insurance that I do.
- 21:26So even if tomorrow we take your car, there's accident with the
- 21:29car, don't worry, you will get the full 11,000,000, which is
- 21:32the cost that the amount you used to buy the car.
- 21:35We also put in car tracking so we know where the cars are at
- 21:38all the time while collecting driver deposit.
- 21:40So you'll be funded at least up to two weeks.
- 21:44Then we also have connections with Vio Rd.
- 21:47Transport Police, Rd. Safety.
- 21:49You have that conversation. That's the kind of thing that
- 21:51makes somebody's mind just calm down, OK?
- 21:53You know what, this guy is legit or this guy has talked through,
- 21:56has thought through, you know, one or two things.
- 21:59So those are just some of the comments that I wanted to make.
- 22:04Yeah, those are just some of the comments that I wanted to make
- 22:06after my interaction with them. But I think the most important
- 22:10thing to carry away from here would be, I'll say the risk
- 22:14reversal, because lots of you are running into business and
- 22:17you do not, you do not address the fact that people are scared
- 22:22of doing business with you and that there are some risks that
- 22:25some people might have to undertake to do business with
- 22:27you. So don't ignore the risk.
- 22:29Acknowledge, excuse me, acknowledge that these things
- 22:32can happen and then call it out and discuss the, discuss the
- 22:39plans, you know, the steps, the frameworks, the protocols, the
- 22:42procedures, the whatever that you already put in place to make
- 22:45sure that when those risks materialize, if they happen,
- 22:48that you have got them sorted. So that's all for today.
- 22:51Let me head back to my car and see what the work is going on
- 22:54like. So thank you very much for your
- 22:56time and attention. If you want a, if you want to
- 22:59connect with me for a strategy session or for a business audit,
- 23:02the number to hit me up on is 0806466 2140.
- 23:08The country code is +234. For those of you who are not
- 23:12Nigerian, then you can connect with me on LinkedIn.
- 23:15The name to look for establishing my IED.
- 23:18That's the name of my YouTube channel as well.
- 23:20Or just search the name of the podcast sales for the Nigerian
- 23:23business person. You'll find all my material on
- 23:25YouTube. So thank you very much for your
- 23:27time and attention. I'll catch you guys at the next
- 23:29episode.