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The Geena Davis Institute · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with nail Lee Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we have Jessica to kat Lee as our guest. Jessica
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  Speaker 1: and I met through the Behind the Veins program, and
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  Speaker 1: Jessica is going to be presenting on the power of
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  Speaker 1: women in Hollywood, including Gena Davis's work with her institute
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  Speaker 1: in order to make sure women are being paid and represented. Jessica,
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  Speaker 1: don't feel super pressured that I wrote the word presenting.
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  Speaker 1: We will. I'm here with you. We will get to
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I fully like gave a presentation to my friend because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, so I'm going to talk to my
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  Speaker 2: friend about this, and She's like, what are you going
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  Speaker 2: to talk to her about? And I was like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh sorry, I just monologued about that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get it what I will give you, Like, I
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  Speaker 2: please let it be a dialogue.
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  Speaker 1: Please. This is what happens when I write the intros
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  Speaker 1: during my day job. All of a sudden, I'm reading
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  Speaker 1: it and I'm like, if someone told me that I
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  Speaker 1: was just doing the presenting for the fifteen minutes to
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  Speaker 1: an hour where on the call my stomach would just
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  Speaker 1: drop out of my body.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I was like, well, I kind of
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  Speaker 2: wrote a whole presentation, So I hope, I hope it's
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  Speaker 2: more of a dialogue when I actually do it instead
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  Speaker 2: of being like so on slave for you'll see here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, before we get into the nuts and bolts of it,
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  Speaker 1: why don't you give a little bit of background information
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  Speaker 1: on yourself since you are a new guest. And then
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  Speaker 1: how did you start getting interested the Geena Davis uh
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  Speaker 1: Institute and her work to make sure that screen time
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  Speaker 1: was equitable to women?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I boy, in the words of Jerry Hallell,
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  Speaker 2: like I came out through the womb saying girl power.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, was really raised on you know, the great
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  Speaker 2: movies like Leading their Own. Was a frequent flyer in
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  Speaker 2: my household. I feel like when we were growing up,
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  Speaker 2: like it was, it was always on TV, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And so I was. Geena Davis was sort of just
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  Speaker 2: always a known entity in my in my childhood and
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  Speaker 2: along with like a lot of other like amazing women
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  Speaker 2: like we're big wives Manelli, Household, that Middler, Whitney Houston,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So and we were household of two daughters.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm the younger of two sisters. My mom has
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  Speaker 2: a sister and two brothers that my dad has five
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  Speaker 2: sisters and a brother and I so I have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of cousins as well, so like lots of Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's just a lot of women around me all the time,
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  Speaker 2: and two very influential grandmothers as well. So yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: I just was raised in it. I'm originally from upstate
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  Speaker 2: New York. I grew up in central Florida with a
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  Speaker 2: really wonderful community around me there, and went to Florida
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  Speaker 2: State to study English. I did study abroad in London
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  Speaker 2: and Australia, and eventually went to graduate school in London
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  Speaker 2: for visual culture. My minder was in communities. Florida State
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  Speaker 2: has a student movie theater on campus, so basically from
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  Speaker 2: my very first class of undergrad I was going once
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  Speaker 2: a week for the semester to go watch a film
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  Speaker 2: for my multicultural film class, and then we would watch
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  Speaker 2: Monday nights at the movie theater. I would bring all
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  Speaker 2: my friends and then yeah, and then in class we
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  Speaker 2: would discuss whatever the film of the week was. And
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  Speaker 2: later in my college career, you know, studying like Latin
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  Speaker 2: American and Spanish cinema like relevant for this week with
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  Speaker 2: bad Bunny of it all. You know, I was like
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  Speaker 2: transported in time, so happy took you know, it took
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  Speaker 2: some sort of film studies classes. I was studying literature,
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  Speaker 2: but also when I was doing a study abroad British
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  Speaker 2: cinema class and would go discussing like any kind of
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  Speaker 2: narrative storytelling in a variety of mediums. So and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of my graduate work was similar, studying cultural studies,
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  Speaker 2: but with a focus on on visual expressions. So although
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do as much film study in grad school,
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  Speaker 2: I was going to tons of museums and all of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. So I've just really always been sort of
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  Speaker 2: interested interested in how culture is communicated. And and then
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  Speaker 2: became a writer and copywriter and now and had a
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  Speaker 2: zillion jobs, most importantly teaching the youths. I was a
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  Speaker 2: pre K teacher, which is so really my favorite and
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  Speaker 2: what I loved so seeing the world through their eyes
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  Speaker 2: and how important it is to build better humans. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, so when I heard about the DNA Davis
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  Speaker 2: It's tuoe for gender and media that was very values
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  Speaker 2: aligned with what the way I was raised in the end,
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  Speaker 2: not just the world in the way that it is,
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  Speaker 2: with the world as it should be and working towards that.
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  Speaker 2: So that is sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Cut.
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  Speaker 2: You can cut any of.
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  Speaker 1: It, man. I. So we grew up because we're pretty
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  Speaker 1: similarly aged, so we grew up with the same media
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  Speaker 1: and television for the most part. And I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: about it during the Bad Bunny halftime Super super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: Halftime show, the Super Bunny, Bad Bunny, the.
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  Speaker 2: Super Bunny Show, the Super Bunny Show. Yeah, he was
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  Speaker 2: super Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where I danced so hard. I thought I hallucinated Pedro Pascal.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, who was that was that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I saw Cardi b and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: and then I saw Pedro.
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  Speaker 1: I was like it was just like So I was
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  Speaker 1: like reflecting on this bad Bunny, uh, super Bowl and
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  Speaker 1: Rhiannon from behind the Banes, who will be a feature
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  Speaker 1: guest on the show? She had she had posted like
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  Speaker 1: a montage of like all of the nineties latinos we
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  Speaker 1: were watching in movies, so like Salma Hayek and Fools
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  Speaker 1: Russian in the kitchen scene while you Perry is just
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  Speaker 1: throoling at her, and like Constance Marie taught me the
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  Speaker 1: washing machine in Selena and all of it. And I
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  Speaker 1: texted her and I was like, well that makes sense
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  Speaker 1: onto why I can in fact dance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean something I was going to bring up
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  Speaker 2: in this conversation that was on my mind when I
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  Speaker 2: was preparing to come and have this conversation with you
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  Speaker 2: was like when we were growing up, how there were
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  Speaker 2: like in a different way, DEI like the diversity of
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  Speaker 2: it all. When we were growing up, like there were
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean Freshprinted bell Air like a huge
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  Speaker 2: nineties sitcom like one of the biggest ones, or Family
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  Speaker 2: Matters where there were showing black families with equal casting,
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  Speaker 2: equal pay. Sometimes they were the bigger shows of those
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  Speaker 2: big you know, TGIF block of programming, and that now
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  Speaker 2: with streamers and things like that, we're not seeing that
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  Speaker 2: representation that are the same kind of representation, that level
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  Speaker 2: of quality. And and I think especially with Bad Bunny
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  Speaker 2: last night, like seeing Ricky Martin's really special for us
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  Speaker 2: that grew up, like you know, we didn't we didn't
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  Speaker 2: always have the Hispanic or Latino equivalent of the Family
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  Speaker 2: Matters and the Fresh Prince, but we had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of explosion in music at that same time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so It's like when people talk about like, oh, like diversity,
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  Speaker 2: like we're more diverse than ever, but it's such a
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  Speaker 2: different way. And so seeing like Ricky Martin having to
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  Speaker 2: change his songs to English, going from Minudo on the
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  Speaker 2: Island to have they're pressuring him, you have to sing
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  Speaker 2: in English, and you know, not to mention him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: being essentially closeted at the time that we had this representation,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a pressure to assimilate, and so so
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  Speaker 2: it just like filled my heart up to see even though,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I don't seek Spanish, but I received
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  Speaker 2: the message. I received the messages last night, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it was very touching to see that that pressure
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  Speaker 2: to assimilate has lessened in a way.
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  Speaker 1: You honestly just made my point. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 1: being a girl or a teen in the nineties and
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  Speaker 1: the O o's watching Fools Russian and Selena The George Lopez.
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  Speaker 1: I loved the George Lopez sitcom. I love Georgeez and
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  Speaker 1: no one tells me I said it. I loved him.
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  Speaker 1: I used to watch his stand up as a kid too,
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  Speaker 1: where he would make fun of his aunts at Disney World.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite bits.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I had to go back and watch that one.
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  Speaker 1: I love Jorge Lopez, and then you know, we had
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  Speaker 1: family Matters, and we had all of the shows that
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  Speaker 1: you named fresh Pensobelair, And maybe it's like the beauty
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  Speaker 1: and nostalgia of childhood that you weren't sitting because I
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  Speaker 1: remember being an adult when Blackish came into the ABC
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  Speaker 1: lineup for Sitcobs and immediately going, oh, finally they got
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  Speaker 1: a black show. But I was like, that was never
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  Speaker 1: something that I would have like said in the nineties
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  Speaker 1: or the os sitting in twenty twenty six with grown
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  Speaker 1: people who I know watched Selena seen in Spanish and
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  Speaker 1: saying that soundtrack with me, and they cannot understand why
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  Speaker 1: diversity is important or like why we should be cussing
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  Speaker 1: ice every day and all of it. It's such a
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  Speaker 1: mental mind fuck every day. And I'm like, but you're
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  Speaker 1: the person who sat down with me to be like,
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  Speaker 1: this is Selena, and you held me when I cried
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  Speaker 1: when she got murdered.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Selena literally the reason that Google Images exists.
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Lope has in the green dress. Yes, like that
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  Speaker 2: when you say Latin explosion, I don't think that the
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  Speaker 2: maybe some Gen Z and Gen Alpha definitely like they
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  Speaker 2: don't really understand the the walk We've like the walk
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  Speaker 2: we've all locked and seen, you know, And it made
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  Speaker 2: me it was a little bittersweet for me actually reflecting
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  Speaker 2: back today because I was like, I felt so happy
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  Speaker 2: to see this joyful celebration and resistance with so much
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  Speaker 2: Latin and Hispanic celebration of culture. Like it just was
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  Speaker 2: so beautiful and reflecting back of like Kendrick's performance the
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  Speaker 2: year before. And I always find the super Bowl to
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  Speaker 2: be like it's a unique special presentation, Like I'm always intrigued,
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  Speaker 2: how are they going to use the space? Like one
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite things about the Beyonce bl was like
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  Speaker 2: how she used the space because it is even big.
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  Speaker 2: I was in marching band as a as a you
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  Speaker 2: know when I was in high school, was the tiniest
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  Speaker 2: of the trombone section. So my parents can always find me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I was like five too with a trombone the
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  Speaker 2: hell yeah, so so yeah, easy to spot. But so
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  Speaker 2: it's a big field. It's a big space. It's a
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  Speaker 2: big platform to perform on and to and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think using that space and how people are realizing
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  Speaker 2: that the graph is people, it's like, yeah, because you
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  Speaker 2: can only bring X number of cases, you can only
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  Speaker 2: load in out, you only have seven or eight minutes.
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  Speaker 2: You can't remember how much it is like to do that.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just like this real feat of logistics. It's real,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, this is why we cannot cut
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  Speaker 2: arts funding in schools. Guys, like this is why, Like
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  Speaker 2: you want to enjoy this, you want to enjoy your
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  Speaker 2: like everyone knows, like that was one of the worst
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  Speaker 2: football games I've ever seen in my life. Please don't
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  Speaker 2: ask me any followed questions.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, what we're saying is representation is important, even
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  Speaker 1: if you are a white girl in the Midwest. I
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  Speaker 1: said this story absolute an episode with Sarah Kaplan when
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about you know, transgender rights and gender
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  Speaker 1: and all of it, and I was like, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Every time someone is prejudiced and they're like, I can't
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  Speaker 1: listen to bad buddy, he's just gonna scene it in Spanish,
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  Speaker 1: that's a fear response, and it's a fear of your
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  Speaker 1: own ignorance, and it's a fear of not be longing
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  Speaker 1: come on from insecurity. Yeah, so you have like if
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  Speaker 1: we could just teach people to not go with their gut,
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  Speaker 1: be your response faction, because we know that statistics show
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  Speaker 1: that we've just decided that men don't feel feared, they
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  Speaker 1: just feel anger, and that's why we're in the predicaments
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  Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in today. But one time, Geena
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  Speaker 1: Davis was a girl sitting on her couch, maybe with
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  Speaker 1: her mom, and she was watching movies and TV, and
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  Speaker 1: she was like, the women don't talk enough on the
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  Speaker 1: movie and the TV, so launch into your research your data.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So an interesting We're like really never gonna stop
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  Speaker 2: recording mar we boy boy boy Okay. So yeah, So
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  Speaker 2: Geena Davis, as you know, like she's this actress from
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  Speaker 2: which definitely tolerated. We though leave it around on one
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  Speaker 2: of the all time greats and of course a real
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  Speaker 2: tolerator film folm and movies that is straight up ali
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  Speaker 2: of I'm sure everyone listening to this, but not only
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  Speaker 2: she's an Academy Award winner and she's actually an Olympic
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  Speaker 2: level archer too. She has many talents. But later in
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  Speaker 2: life she became a mom and was watching children's media
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  Speaker 2: with her young kids and noticed that the male characters
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  Speaker 2: and female characters, there was a huge disparity and was like, huh,
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  Speaker 2: I have a son and I have a daughter, and
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  Speaker 2: only one of them is really running the show here
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  Speaker 2: on children's media. And you know, she just started counting
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  Speaker 2: because she has this superpower of ADHD hyper focus, which
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  Speaker 2: I wish that my ADHD would manifest that way more often.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so she just started like counting in her head,
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  Speaker 2: like okay, like a line for the male character, line
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  Speaker 2: for the male character waiting still weird on the line
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  Speaker 2: for the female character, because it's like even when they
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  Speaker 2: were represented that there was a disparity in like how
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  Speaker 2: much agency they had, how many speaking lines they had,
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  Speaker 2: And so she just started tallying, and you know, she
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  Speaker 2: would have conversations with their kids that was like, oh
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  Speaker 2: did you notice, like you know, girls can bad character
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  Speaker 2: happens to be a boy, but girls can do that too.
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  Speaker 2: And even the other day, I was babysitting and this
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  Speaker 2: little boy we were dancing together and despice girls because
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  Speaker 2: I'm fun babysitter, I'm raising all my friend's children's correctly,
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  Speaker 2: and so we're toiral and so I told him and
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  Speaker 2: he was like, no, you're supposed to twirl and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, what are you talking about it. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you just twirled. I was like, oh you want you
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  Speaker 2: wanted it to be my turn. He's like, no, girl's
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  Speaker 2: twirl and I was like no, no, no, boy's control. Boy's control.
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  Speaker 2: Like it goes both ways this conversation, I know we're
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  Speaker 2: going to be saying like, oh, like women reper than it,
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  Speaker 2: women like having more, but like we want like feminism
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  Speaker 2: is for the benefit of everyone, and we want boys
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  Speaker 2: to know the fake control. And he was like in
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  Speaker 2: the ballet. I was like, maybe the ballet you saw,
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  Speaker 2: but boys control too. So yeah, we just want like
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  Speaker 2: everyone to be able to have the option to do whatever,
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  Speaker 2: be whoever, and whatever they want to be. So she
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  Speaker 2: started gathering all this data independently and then formalized it
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  Speaker 2: when it became kind of bigger than her, and ended
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  Speaker 2: up starting the Genie Davis Institute for Gender and Media
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  Speaker 2: to keep to do like formalized research on these children's
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  Speaker 2: media programs, because she wanted better for her own kids,
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  Speaker 2: but better for all kids too, and she would because
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  Speaker 2: of her career as an actress. She would talk to
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  Speaker 2: these studio people and be like, oh, yeah, you know
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  Speaker 2: there's this like big disparity in gender representation, and then
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  Speaker 2: the executives would be like, oh, we like we fixed
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  Speaker 2: dad already used to be a problem, not anymore. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's like Bridesmaids came out when I was
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  Speaker 2: in grad school, and I was like, well, now I
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  Speaker 2: have to start my dissertation over because they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, we fixed it, guys, we made Bridesmaids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They just don't believe it's an issue anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And you and I are privy to a very
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  Speaker 1: firm centered comedy that's coming out when it comes out, yes,
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  Speaker 1: But I was talking to a friend about it, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, man, I was just like thinking of
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  Speaker 1: the Golden Globes and how none of the movies in
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  Speaker 1: the comedy section were like ha ha funny. They were
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  Speaker 1: all like devastating funny. I don't finally in erdo DiCaprio
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  Speaker 1: that funny, So I'm not sure how his movie made
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  Speaker 1: the cut. And then like Marty Supreme, I do laugh
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  Speaker 1: at Timmy Tay to bully him, but I wouldn't call
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  Speaker 1: that comedy. I would just call that me being mean.
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  Speaker 1: And and then like it was Martin and then it
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  Speaker 1: was like Bogognia, and I was like, I do love
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  Speaker 1: Jesse Plemons, but I don't believe that him just like
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  Speaker 1: spiraling into conspiracy theory about aliens is comedy ahaha, funny, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And it's hard enough to get like recognition for comedy,
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  Speaker 1: and then you layer on like what happened to all
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  Speaker 1: of the comedy for the girls? And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what did happen?
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  Speaker 2: Did indeed? Yeah? I mean, first, they're not making as
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  Speaker 2: many movies as he used too, and they're definitely not
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  Speaker 2: making as many comedies as they used too, and they're
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  Speaker 2: not making like when I think when people talk about
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: like internet culture and meme culture and stuff, I'm like, guys,
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  Speaker 2: you literally had Austin Powers and that had to like
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  Speaker 2: last us for months, months of quoting often to our
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: years in some days, like until the next Awesome Powers
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  Speaker 2: came out, until the next like Rowe Michelle's was like huge,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like we still talk about it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it's legally blonde and stuff. It's like, we're not
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  Speaker 2: making those kinds of movies. And my kids really do
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  Speaker 2: just have to do memes. I guess if they want
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  Speaker 2: funny stuff, but it's like, no, we can express the
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  Speaker 2: ha haas in lots of ways.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it's always a chicken in an ache scenario
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  Speaker 1: with me because my sister teaches. She now teaches middle schoolers,
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  Speaker 1: but she used to teach high schoolers. And I'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: what are the movies that the teens are watching? Surely
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  Speaker 1: they don't all want to see the SpongeBob movie. Surely
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  Speaker 1: you're seventeen years old and have outgrown Spongebobs a smattering
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of you. And She's like, they don't watch any movies,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, but then I'm always like, do they
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: not watch movies because TikTok has routed their attention span?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Or did we decide that they were no longer a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: valued audience so we stopped making teen movies?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, where's the reality bikes? Where's the can't Harvey Babe?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Where's the like Empire records? Like Empire Records would never
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: give me today? No breaks my heart because Dann de
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Man see the Empire? Like where like it's Rex Manning Day?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Where where is that culture for kids? Like? And that
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: explored not just rainbows and butterflies, like you know, it
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't just a funny movie about music or whatever.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And you know, one of my favorite fem centered movies
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: is Now and Then. I could probably do the entire
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: script if I needed to.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're coming back to doing Now and Then, We're
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: coming down. I'm coming back just you know, because that
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: is my fourth grade talent show my WiFi password, not
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: three times.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Not Oh I yeah, I do know the entire I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: do know the entire soundtrack by Art, but they.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Had on cassette tape. Natalie, I'm a real one.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: The beautiful thing about Now and Then is it is
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a period movie. It takes place in the seventies, if
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: not the sixties I can ever remember. And so when
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I was watching it in the nineties and the ohs,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it was a period piece. However, that their childhood riding bikes,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: being gone all day, solving neighborhood crimes and mysteries, Harriet
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the Spying it up before Harriet the Spy was around
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that at least mimic enough of my own childhood, because
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I too was just always on a bike or walking
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to a corner store, or was in the woods with
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: my friends, or you know, playing the Spice Girls in
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a ditch. Yeah, and so I had a huge connection
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to the characters in those movies. Childhood looks so scaringly
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: different today when it comes to the lack of exploration
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that kids do on their own, because we can't really
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: just leave them to their own devices, because the internet
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is so scary that I because I think about this
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: all the time. I'm like, how do I make sure
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that teen girls still have movies and that they know
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that sleepovers are fun and that they know that like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: they should be breaking one another's hairs all the time
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and solving neighborhood mysteries and.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Being light having a light stayance moment.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can't get past the fact that I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: feel so disconnected to what modern day girlhood looks like.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, that is I But I think, like I
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: think when you take the devices away, because where I
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: was a pre K teacher, it was on this little
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: island pre k until eighth grade, and so I did
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: do lunch duty for the middle schoolers, and I was
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: like really scared. I was like, oh my gosh, middle school.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I'm a pret I like maybe up to like first grade,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I could do. You know. I'm with a little I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: like a little like the one that's what I like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that's who needs me? That's who I can help. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I was like middle school. It feels scary. I didn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: like middle school when I wasn't it was middle school.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: But they are the sweetest kids, and I think, like
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: they're the human I think people need to. I think
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: what we really need, just generally across the board is
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to connect with our inherent humanity, because I think even
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have been talking about like all
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the Superhole commercials is like AI and like surveillance, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, they're really trying to wring the humanity
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: out of our society. And I think that like a
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: huge part of resistance right now is recognizing the community
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in other people. And I think like if given the option,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: people would take that up. Even watching the Lil of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Fair documentary recently, like we are craving that kind of
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: connection that come like lived experience. Like, yes, it is
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: spoiled by the performance, the performativeness of it all, but
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I think that the root of like having a shared experience,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: having a human to human connection through music, through film,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: through monoculture, I think is something people still crave. Heated rivalry.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say. Look at our
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: mass psychosis event that was Heated Rivalry. We were all
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the snow pain. We were all inside and sad, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: so we watched those two hockey boys kiss and we
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: loved it and.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: We talked to a group text about it endlessly.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have memes and we have remixes. And
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I listened to the soundtrack a lot.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Girl. I listened to a hockey bro podcast.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: No, not me, I said that I didn't have to.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, listen to men.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I know. I was like, this is against my no,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: this is against my beliefs. But I I don't remember
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: why I was alone. I don't know I had to.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I had a long stretch, but I was like, you
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: got to feel some of this compete well.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And then TikTok was like, don't you want to see
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: all of these videos of women making their partner their
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: male partners watch Hated Rivalry and they have thoughts And
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't care what their icky boyfriend's thoughts.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Are boyfriends are embarrassing. We all read the article.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: It's true, it's true, it's true. Yes. I tried to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: convince one of my other group texts to watch Heated
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Rivalry and they were like, why do I want to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: see Like they were like love is love, Like they're
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: not they're not homophobic at all, but they were like
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: right now, in this and this day, right now, I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: cannot see two dudes when I can't find one dude
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to that I can tolerate. Like She's like, no,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: like she's so off, she's so turned off by men.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: She's like, I don't even want to look at I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was like, no, it's like I'm to I hate men,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and like I am like, I'm like.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I love the podcast I Hate men. And I watched
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Heated Rivalry.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, and I'm recommending. I was like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: you should give it a shot.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell her it was all done under the female gaze.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, well, so they're right. The author
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: is a queer woman, the director is a queer guy. Like,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it's via the female gays. I'm like, I'm telling you this,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: like it's me guys.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I so, so I think, like, what's so interesting about
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Geena Davis sitting now my mom?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna be like, no, you're I'm was like
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: worried that it was gonna be like an I hate man.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I was like no, it's a pro woman, not an
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I hate man, and I'm like, so I hate men.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Sorry Mom, Sorry Mom, Sorry Debbie. We love you, but
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Debbie will be better next time. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Debbie.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I'll send you a curated playlist of the ones that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you can listen to to pertee that I'm good. I'm nice.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I promise, no, no, no, But here.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Geena Davis is sitting with her two kids, probably watching
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: like The Mickey Mouse House Club or whatever the equivalent
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of that was when her kids were growing up, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: she's watching actual like gender diversity on the television. I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: only watched media that was for the girls. Whenever my
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: cousins were like, do you want to watch the same
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I'm lot, I was like, I'd rather die. I would
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: rather die. And it's a classic movie. It's a great movie.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful script, beautiful movie. But I saw boys
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: playing baseball and I was like, I would rather have
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: my uncle hit my head with the car. I don't
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: want to watch it. Oh my god. So I was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that girl. I was that girl. I was like, boys
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: have cooties. I don't want to watch their movies or
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: their TV shows. So I think I was tricked into
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: believing that women ruled television in movies, and then I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: became a woman, and I was like, wait, the data
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: says they don't let us talk.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well okay, so you're you're the inverse of what
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: these studio exactly. They're like, no, bro, we fixed it,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Like I'll do it now, and they're like, no, dude,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the numbers are saying otherwise. And so by using like
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: her position of power to even have access to these
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: studio heads, which wasn't even easy as an Academy Award
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: winning actress with like decades in the business, and she
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: even then was like having trouble sitting down and talking
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: to these people, which is like, God help the rest
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: of us, right, And so she was like, no, like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: we're way far from gender parity, guys, And so she
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, we want to. She like she she
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: was saying, how through this data that they institute publishing
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: like they're they're moving the needle and having meaningful change
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: in society. So, for example, are beloved, I'll leave with
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: their own all of these amazing stars who we love
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and telling a real story, the real heroes of women's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: professional baseball, and through c that film and it being
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: so beloved and having wide release and being on TV
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: re showing it on TV all the time. They were
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: showing that girls interest in sports was peaking and they
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: were more likely to have an interest in sports, take
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: up a sport, and especially with the Olympics going on
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: right now, like I feel like it's always such a
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: great time for kids to be able to observe, like
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: all different types of bodies can be Olympians and you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: smoll And Viles is teeny tiny and she can fly
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: really high, and then like you know, Michael Phelps is
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: like the wingspan of a you know, a giant. I mean,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: but just like or like Katie Lidecki, like you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: just like powerful swimming and all of these different things that, yeah,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: it takes all different kinds of people. So guys seeing
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: they presentation of different types of athletes in the Olympics,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: that kids can understand that like someone that looks like
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: them or or doesn't look like them. You know, sometimes
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: it's just like seeing a sport like when is a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: kids seem luge? And probably not that frequently, you know, well.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I used to watch cool Runnings a lot as a child.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: See that's a boy movie I can get behind.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And honestly it was because I holds up John Candy's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: in that one, right, he's the coach. I love John Candy,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: rest in power, Don Candy.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: A good soul, A good soul, surely.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: God, Uncle Buck come on. But you know what, in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: all of those Uncle Buck and Uncle Buck adjacent movies,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: there's always a sassy teen girl that I'm like, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm writing with you till Dawn, baby.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Eldest daughter personified over there. She's the one who's really
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: running the show, and it's just showing him. Mean he's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: he plays like the affable, lovable, uh incompetent uh male
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: at all, you know, but like you can't help but
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: love him, I know. And yet if he was in
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: real life, we would be like hold.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Come the way that I thought that, like maybe my
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: mom would disappear for a week and I too would
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: have to get like a secretary job at a fashion
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: magazine because I watched Rose Don't Tell Mom the babys
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: did every time it was on TV. Was that one
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Don't Adventures and baby Sitting, Like the way that like
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: my eldest daughter attitude was like activated by those movies,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I could get a job if
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I needed to get a job. I'm fourteen. I could
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: definitely run a company. It's it's pettycash. Yeah, it's basically
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: David Rose going. I wrote it off. I just wrote
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it off. I don't know if you're stand.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I mean, And if they'd let us girl
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: boss so close son, like we could actually do it?
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Does we could? Because that's the thing that she's saying.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: She's like, if you can see it, you can be it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: So like we could see Sewell being the eldest daughter
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and producing an entire fashion show with all her friends
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and relatives, and like we believed that we were how
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: leadership skills, higher ability skills, how to make a resume,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: how to like take it till you make it, how
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to just like trust your gut. Like we were learning lessons. Okay,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: we were, we were so then okay, the same way. Also,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: what my other example was going to before you brought
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: up the Collassic piece of cinema, that is, don't tell
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Mama Baser's dead, was going to be in the Barbie movie.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, International Sensation, the Barbie movie, my my bubble.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: So in the beginning when it's showing, you know, Barbie
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: can be a journalist or a pilot, she can have
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: all these different careers, all anything out of the sun.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And sometimes her job was something that women weren't in
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: that workplace. Yet they saw the Barbie of it and
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: they were like, we can do that too. Meanwhile, as
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: we know, Pen's jobs just beach, which is how it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: But seeing them to be able to do that like
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: issing be it in the Barbie movie or in Dotal
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Mama Baser's dead, it's showing kids like us that they
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: can go to school, they can get training or how
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: to get anything. Like making the resume. I will never
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: forget when she's making it. She gets the resume books
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: from the library and like writes out a resume like
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: these are important life skills that like that's how you
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: do that, you know, so we do need to learn that.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Also, our parents didn't teach us anything about life bench parks.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: We were watching movies and going one day, I'll have
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to write a recime you.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I think about it when I after resume.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I wrote a resume today, like I mean.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Look, we're all just keeping them fresh just in case
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: this day and age.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Right, and I probably lied as much as Suel and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: lied on her as I was probably like, and I'm
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: just gonna make up this job. You're fluent Spanish in Spanish. Yeah,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I watched Bad Money one time. I'm fluent in Spanish.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: You're like special skills salta dancing. Like. Oh a side
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: note on the Barbie movie if you haven't seen the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: documentary Tiny Shoulders also.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And I will say that one of my one of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: my favorite parts of the Barbie movie is the moment
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: where it's Jenna or Tago. Right, I'm not making that up.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's not.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Green Ariana Green. Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, is there a second syllable to that name?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Truly don't know. I watched Screen five, the reboot over
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the weekend, so now everyone, every time I think of
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: a teen woman, I'm like, Jenna Ortega.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: She's everywhere, she is everywhere.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: It's true. It's true because my sister was like, does
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: she get a lot of work? That'stop Wednesday? And I
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, she's been working her ass for years.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: She gets so much work.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And like, oh wait, no, Justice for Arelad. She's great
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in that movie.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, but anyways, with the teenage daughter of America.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Ferrera challenges Barbie and is like, hey, it's white comings
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and bullshit. They made us adult to tell us that
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: everything was coming up ours and they never took into
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: consideration the things like misogyny, patriarchy, racism, homophobia, and all
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of the things that hold us back, and then.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Leading to one of the best lines of the movie,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: She's like, dashus, I'm not a passions I don't control
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the railroads.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I don't control the railroads. Yeah. So, and I think
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that that is the con that I fell for as
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a millennial woman, because we grew up in like Girl
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Boss era.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, white feminism painting across us all. Yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I just posted a photo on our last blog issue
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: about my year of whimsy, and I'm wearing my sequin
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: jacket and literally the future is female T shirt and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what here is this?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's time as a circle. Apparently it's I've
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: been noticing that too, that like all this throwback of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: like well the AI thing of like the twenty sixteen
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: being twenty whatever, but twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, Yeah, twenty
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: twenty six being.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen. Yeah, here we go.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, numbers and I, you mean their bests. But yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: like that whole the future is female. Yeah that this
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that I just heard some like white feminism about ice,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: like they're making a new hat, and I was like, guys,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the hat is not gonna The hat's not going to
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: solve it. It didn't solve the last time. I don't
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: think that hat is going to solve this time.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: But I am hoping because I believe in Geena Davis
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: that eventually she did start to track whether or not
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: women of color were underrepresented, if there were queer voices
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: being underrepresented. Once you start telling you don't stop.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: No, it's addicted. The it just screwing grew. So she
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: started with children's media just like is a character, male
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: is a character, female speaking lines, speaking lines for each
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of those, right, And then it's pretty remarkable. They've actually
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: been going for twenty years now, and so it's not
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: always the exact same research that's being done every single year.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: They're doing research about not just the quantity of rules,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: but they're doing the quality of roles too, so it's
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: not just about gender. Then they're also talking about other
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: races being represented and also like ability. So for example,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: when I talk about like quantity versus quality. They're they
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: tracked like for disabled characters and seeing, Okay, were these
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: characters represented on screen? Yes or no? And if they
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: answered yes, which is great and we love to see,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: were they going to be two dimensional? And that was
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: their only characters that you knew about, like oh, they're
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a wheelchair user or they are hearing and paired, or
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: are they actually having that as just one of a
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: number of characteristics that can be used to describe them
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the same way, the same way that before Connie Britton
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: got the role of Tammy Taylor and made it what
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it is, it was just basically another coach's wife. It
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: was that paper doll that the pretty girl of coach,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the pretty wife of Coach Taylor. And then Connie Britton's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: not just going to do that job. She's not just
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: going to stand there and be like, yeah, go team
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: do coach. She did a great job, did a bad thing,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: try again. She's gonna make her a full three hundred
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and sixty degree character. And that's what we want for
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: all the characters that were seen on screen. So they're saying,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: oh is this character who happens to all who we
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: say a wheelchair user? Are they also a parent, Are
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: they also employed? What kind of work are they doing?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Do they have relationships that are being shown on screen, friends,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: family members, neighbors and showing those like well rounded characteristics. Okay,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: so then, oh, another example, when Jane Fonda and Lily
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Tomlin were for starting in Grace and Frankie, it was
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: this great example of finally having high quality characters in
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: that age demographic. So whereas like prior to that, we
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: weren't seeing nearly as many characters who were in older
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: age brackets at all across the board, and of those characters,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: of those that we were seeing, it was very much like, oh,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that's so and so's grandmother or grandfather or you know,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: on auxiliary character aside from a course, the Golden Girls
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: who were crushing the younger than you imagine.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think the Golden Girls now I have to
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: make this meme where I have to compare the ages
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: of the Golden Girls to the ages of the women
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: of Wassteria Lane on Desperate Housewives, because I do not
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: believe that that gap would be very big.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the was Steria Lane women weren't they like
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: thirties forties, right?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, A majority of them were in their mid to
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: upper thirties and then early to mid forties. But then
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: but then age. Yeah, and then the uh I mean
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: One of them was like fifty two.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I think I think Nicola and Sheridan might have been
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: forty six when Desperate Housewi started. That one is sticking out.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I know that her and Felicity Happen might have been.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I know that they were. Miss Ava Gloria was the youngest.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sight. Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: It was a Spice girls of like you know, she
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: was the baby Spice of the game.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So and then that show spanned eight seasons,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: so you're looking to eight to ten years of these
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: women aging on screen, which is unheard of.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, naturally. In many cases, also we're seen No,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: we're not seeing twenty year old age. Naturally.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. We're not seeing anyone at age on
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the screen anymore. Because I'll take my favorite example, Netflix's
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Virgin River where nothing happens, nothing happens, you get to
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Debbie loves that show.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Debbie, Yeah, it's fine. I love Emily and Peer. Nothing
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: happens on Emily and Pree. It's all about silly hats Okay,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: we love the colors. We love our soft brain shows.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Emerald Funnel did one for Wuthering Heights, which was a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: stretch and it was a choice, but she did it.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And I will be in attendance for valid TeX's Day.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Oh but so nothing happens on Virgin River. There's a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: mountain and a river and there's two people who are
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: in love and then a small town and so anyways,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the thing that's starting to drive me crazy about Netflix
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: shows is that they take ten years to make every season. However,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it's not like season one ends and we move forward
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in time and like remember when TV timelines used to
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: be ambiguous, and it's like I don't know if it's Sunday,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Changuary. And then they would
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: ground us with the Christmas episode.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is okay. So this is this
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: us watching the like five o'clock Stay by the bellel episodes. Yeah,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: comes on before the news. It's just a put them
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: on shuffle baby. They originally air on Saturday Mornings with
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the cartoons. But we'll never know what the original will
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: never know the original sequence. It's a shuffle. I actually
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: kind of miss a shuffle play with the long season.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: But because you only get ten episodes, insists on season
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: two picking up either in the same scene or the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: very next scene that season one left off of. And
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, but Jack has aged thirty years, so he's
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a completely new human.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: He has different size.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his hair has gone gray. Explain it to me.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Charmaine has been pregnant for eighteen years. Those kids should
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: be graduating college.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And she's just been pregnant with twins forever. And I've
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: stopped watching the show because I couldn't get over it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, just play with time. I needed more fun.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: We never had birthday at Like I was never tracking
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: how old Susan Delfino was on Desperate Housewives. We played
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: with flashbacks, we did flash forwards, like time was no
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: longer linear.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Also, that is that's the other thing about like the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: quality versus the quantity, Like they're doing less episodes and
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: they're not even doing the quality of characters, Like they're
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: not even putting that extra extra into it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: And then I'm watching an entire season of Stranger Things
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: where they're trying to see Gi a twenty two year
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: old into being like she's in first grade. I swear,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: craving and it's crazy. And they're putting her in like
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: little baby doll clothes and I'm like, stop putting that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: grown woman and baby doll clothes. They tried too hard.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: The big tails for Holly was like really because she
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: even grew during the filming of it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I swear yes, she did, and there.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Because she's a child and that's natural in her developmental
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: they have gross furts. Yeah.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Then someone asked me, Hey, how's that new season of
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Stranger Things going? And I was like, I hope that
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the makeup team gets the Emmy that they're working their
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: ass off for. I go because they're trying hell the
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: high water to make us believe that Billy Bobby Brown
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: hasn't had filler. They're trying so hard.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: To share to say she can emote.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I swear, yeah, she's still eleven, or like.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, she's not a sleep deprived mother.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Right, It's like crazy. So here's the thing. If you're
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: gonna literally write in linear time, then you have to
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: be quicker on the production schedule.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Another Another point to heated rivalry is like
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: they were able to shoot on such an economical budget
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: in thirty six days or something insane. All of the
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: episodes blockshot it because it was already all written, because
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: they don't have that many episodes, so you could just
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: do that, just do it that way.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Also, it doesn't follow, it doesn't follow a linear time plot,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: a shocking.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Those first couple episodes. I was like, I have whiplash.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: They don't. And honestly they didn't have time to cut
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Hudson or Connor's hair because that's I love. I love what.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what wig are you going to put on
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: this person to show me that time has passed?
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, like all the worlds would get bangs, you know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: remember when like a good old clip on bang was
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: just like the way that we did flashbacks and when
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: there are twenty four episodes in a season.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: The way that tell me lies would have you believe
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that you changed your hairstyle every semester of college. And
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no one had time.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, were there what there was like a
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: girl who would change her hair like all the time,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: would be different colors whatever, but like the average person
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: wasn't doing that.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: No, But back to Connie Briton in one of my
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: favorite TV characters of all time. Tanny Taylor.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, see, that's the high quality character that we're
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: talking about is just not delivering.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And I think, and I think a point to drive
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: home is that Connie Britton herself had enough star power
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to advocate for the character to be a holy fledged
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: teaman and probably improved her ass off worked with writers
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: who knows she was probably a menace. I because I
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: because my niche interest is the Ravens in One Tree Hill.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I know that Hilary Burton, Sophia Bush, and Bethany Joy
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Lunds did the same thing on One Tree Hill. They
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: just wanted Brook to be a girl who took her
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: top off every episode, and she was like, hey, here's
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the thing, and she would and she would go back
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to the to the writers all the time and be like, hey,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: high school girls don't talk to one another like this,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: or like how come at no point during this episode
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: about the anniversary of Hayton's mom dying, is Brooke even
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: aware teenage girls track that kind of stuff for one another.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: And this is why we need women and people of
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: color on on sets and in writer's rooms and whatnot,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: because it can't be it can't be nineteen year old
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Sophia Bush.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Just being like namigating.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, teenage girls don't just whip their clothes off in
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: cars and sit in their boyfriend's cars. It's ridiculous.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: And then you know what, and then Sylvia USh and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: kind of making friends lay in life, and that doesn't
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: surprise me at all.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I can't wait till I'm their friend manifesting I because
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: if you think about the first season of One Tree Hill,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: they do set it up beautifully to where it's like,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: we have these two very complicated brothers and they have
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: a complicated relationship with their hateful dad and that's their
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: whole thing. But it means that they have grief and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: anger and Lucas Wrant's poetry and he loves to read.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: And then you look at the women of One Tree Hill,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: who I'm in love with. I know everything that they're
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: doing at all times of the day currently, and it's.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Like candy shop, right, that's the girl with the candy.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Shop, Hillary, Yeah, road trip, road trip. Yeah. I think
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Hillary still owns that candy shop. She hasn't posted that
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: they're selling it. But anyways, it's Hey, Sophia, you're playing
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Brook she's a slut. Hey Hillary, you're playing Hayen. She's
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: goth and alternative. Hey hey, Bethany, you're playing Haley, she's
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a nerd. And that's it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, could you have one woman in the writer's room?
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: And it's like, who do you think? I understand that
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: you shape this whole show around basketball about two white
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: men playing basketball. Understand it's two short white men playing
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: fast to try and get their dad to love them.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I understand, I understand. But who do you think is
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: watching teen soap dramas? I need to know because it
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: was me.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: It's still the girls in the gays. It always has been.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: So you're you're just gonna throw away this perfect past
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: of three women and just be like, eh, make sure
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: that they get in their underpants at least once an episode.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And that's just feeding a teen girl another body to
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: compare herself to.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, And then I mean, honestly, I could do an
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: entire episode. Here's the thing. I desperately need Hillary and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Sophia to write that book that they want to write
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: about the true things that happened to them on One
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Tree Hill, so I could stop just paraphrasing their own
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: podcast where I'm like, the abuse that these women went
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: through and the manipulation and the gaslighting and the games.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: It's a wonder that we still have them, let alone
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: that they're living in the public eye.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: I Mean, the saddest part of all that is that
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: that can be said for so many women correct and
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: it's just like.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Devastating, and they might have already done it. I'm supposed
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to have an alert on my phone. They're gonna put
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: what I Like about you on Netflix. A favorite sitcom
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: of Vine with Amanda.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Amanda and Kenny Bart Jenny Gard's Kelly Kelly Taylor. Do
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: you like I just meld them all together? She's one,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: God, yeah on Netflix there and I I truly don't
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: even I'm so excited, but I'm also too so scared
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to watch it because I think about Amanda Vines every day.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Every day. Every day I think about Amanda Mines.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: It's truly so desperately sad.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, And I think like that that's why like
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: people actually tracking what's happening in film and television matters,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Because if you think that they're not treating coach Taylor's
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: wife Tammy with any respect, how much respect do you
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: think that the woman who wasn't going to be Connie
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Britton was going to get on that set, like art
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: imitates life.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now we know, without a shadow of doubt,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: the people with power make decisions that are horrifying and
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: dangerous and ighorn.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: So you know, based in their really gross fantasy about
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: juvenile women and young girls. Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like, let's make more media to normalize that.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Let's make more media to normalize these young women who
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: are children, Like Julia Cuteness was a child old.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: She was twelve. She lied and told them that she
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: was fourteen or she was fourteen, and she lied in
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: side sixteen.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have to fill out hr paperwork.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guess.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Eventually, like she maybe said that like verbally, but you
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: do have to.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: At some point, someone copied her school ID or I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: think there is something weird that they pulled. I don't
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: know if her mom got her fake ID or what happened,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: but she was able to pull it off for a
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: while being a fourteen year old on that set, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: then they high and then they didn't get rid of
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: her once they discovered that she was fourteen.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Or at least, like the child labor laws are different
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: when you're fourteen.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Correct. Also, now she's married to Ashton Kutcher. These things
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: have consequences, is what I'm saying. Yes, not noticing how
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: old women are, or what they're doing on there on
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: the set, or who's interacting with them on set, it
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: has lasting consequences.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: My dark Should we talk about something papier?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: What are some of the things. Okay, so Gina starts
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: tracking all of this, and she starts and she starts
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: talking to everyone who will listen about the tracking. So
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: what are some actionable things that we saw happen because
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: she was so dedicated to this.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well she was really having these light bulb moments
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: with studio heads and a big sort of uh push
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: as well. That was happening when the uh famed screenwriter
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: of iconic film Crossroads starring by Eugene Spears one with
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Seana Grimes, rocked television by creating Gray's Anatomy and blind
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: casting it. Somehow most all of the people were thin still,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: but it was a significantly more racially diverse ensemble cast
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: than much of Western media was prior to that, Like
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: we had spoken about before, like in the eighties and
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: nineties with The Cosby Show having that being like sort
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: of like the crown jewel of black family media. And
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: then we had a number of shows that featured the
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: sort of everyday Black American family as well as well
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: as counterparts of white American family. Is numerous, but of
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: course there was not parody there, but as far as
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: having a really diverse cast within one show, that was
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: sort of the new way of doing things, and that
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: became sort of what the the procedure was going to
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: be like coming So both are good, both are good things.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: We should have representation of Black American families, white American families.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: You know, Margaret Chow tried Asian American families and when
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: that was not a raving success, you know, they pulled
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: it out the air. And then the next sort of
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Asian representation that people were getting were this high quality
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: character of Christina Gang on Gray's Anatomy. But so yeah, so,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: and through Gray's Anatomy they were able to the same
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: way that we saw like Jack coming out as gay
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: in Dawson's Creek. Through these long, long running, successful shows,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: we were able to have that sort of crack in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: the door open to bring in representation like gay representation
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: adopted this Creek transrepresentation in Gray's Anatomy. I think the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Pit right now is doing a great job of showing
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: and normalizing many different forms of representation, all within one
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: workplace and one community. Because a hospital is a great
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: A hospital show like Gray's Anatomy or The Pay is
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: a great way to show because everyone eventually has to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: go to the hospital for something. Unfortunately some of us
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: like me more than others. But I will say even
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: in the Pit as someone who's chronically ill, is the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: first time I heard the illness that I had on
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: in media ever in my life as a forty year
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: old woman, So that was pretty monumental. So that's like
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: also showing for people who are chronically ill, for people
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: who are differently abled, even like rarely do we see
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: a jobby woman, and the Pit prominently shows and normalizes
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: a joby woman.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Marvelize has heard not always speaking English.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Multilingual representation across cultural representations. So we're seeing these really
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: high quality characters in some shows now. But I think
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: that same issue that we were talking about is like
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: there's not they are not making as many shows as
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: they used to, They're not making as many movies as
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: they used to, So like the quantity and the opportunity
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: for the type of representation is less. But I think
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: the quality in some unique case is I think that's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: like a crown jewel right now is the pit. But
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: unfortunately pre pandemic, pre writers strike. It used to be
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: when these reports would come out and people that had
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: like really great members would they'd be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: like we're doing so great, we have such a great representation.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: We have our part where one of those people that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: contributed to the like say one point, blotted a percent
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: of characters that are trans on screen, like oh, you
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: guys weren't part of that, or you know, knowing that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: there was eventually like gender parity in network shows and
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: so now they're like studying like network cable streamers. It's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: expanded beyond children's media to adult media, to video games,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: to lots of different types of representation that can be
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: as well as like different races, different abilities. But whereas
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: it used to be like people would have it as
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: like a feather in their cap, or if they didn't
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: and their numbers were backsliding, that would sort of look
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: at like a little bit of a dark mark against them.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: And now that stigma with so much upheaval in the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: industry in these past few years, it's it doesn't stick
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: quite as hard. So I think having we've seen, like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: having a woman like Shonda Rhymes behind the camera, We're
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: seeing a lot more racial diversity and diversity in general
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: on screen, and having women behind the camera is creating
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: market change on how sets are, on the safety of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: sets and the British photographer, an author and mostly known
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: as the host of Things, Amanda de Academy. You may
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: have seen her interview show The Conversation back in the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Girl Boss White Feminism days. Yes, I was obsessed with it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I was like injected into my veins. I love it.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: She was having really radical conversations that people weren't really
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: talking about for women and female identifying people. And because
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: her background is in photography, she created a startup called
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: hashtag girl Gaze that was to create opportunity for women
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in non binary and the female identifying people to increase
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: creative team those identities in creative teams. Unfortunately, it looks
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: like that has since fielded because of funding and so
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: like the industry has just like changed so much. So
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like, whereas like even Geena Davis won like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: a Humanitarian Ward for her work with the Gender Institute
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: and everything, like things were tracking to and gaining scheme.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: And I feel like between the pandemic and the writer's
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: strike and all of these strikes and a lot of
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: the like upheople that the industry has seen more recently,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: some of those some of that momentum has fallen to
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: the side because people are just like, no, we like
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: needed to have the strike to redegotiate these other things.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: So there's.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: As much goodwill, I guess you could say, and I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's the correct terminology, Please correct me
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, but like there are more foundational things
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: that people are looking to accomplish immediately following the strikes
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: and getting things rebuilt back up. That that the these
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: initiatives are not getting as much traction as they once were,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: so particularly in funding of course, because everyone is constantly
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: struggling with funding. But I think, especially like my background
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: being a pre kay teacher working now I'm working at
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: the college level, and this sooner the like sorry, having
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: a background in education has really opened my eyes to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: the importance of representation and the earlier that we can
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: introduce age appropriate ideas about gender parody, like that little
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: boy that I was dancing with that you know, he
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: needed to be reminded that he just twirled. He's a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: boy and he just swirled in boys control too, or
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: diversity and equity, race, the quality of representation, and you know,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: starting these conversations.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Even with.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Some of the like political things that are going on
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: right now, Like if we're having age appropriate conversations with children,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: the more we can be open with them and help
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: them understand that, like loving our neighbors and and who
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: our neighbors are is really important. Like the the sooner
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: the better, the more representation, the more conversations that we
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: can be having like that, the better. And you know,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I would recommend take your kids to like the obviously
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: the library of course, where all children go generally. Dolly
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Parton is helping kids who don't have access to libraries
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: through her Imagination Library. She's sending age appropriate reading gerial
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: to them so that kids can have literacy access. Goat.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: And you know a lot of people are doing their
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: spring cleaning right now, especially with all the snow we're
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: stuck in our houses. Don't it props to local school play,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: don't e You know, you're like old bed sheets or
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: towels to to have like a stuffing or something for
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: uh the the like local arts community or tarps for
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: for kids that are want to do painting, you know,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: volunteer and teach a skill that you have at a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: school school program, or just buy a ticket to the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: local theater and you know you can and like, yes,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I'm saying these are good things to introduce to children,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: but like we're can all the kids at heart, and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: we can go we take ourselves on a date to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: the ballet or to the theater and be a patron
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: of arts in your own community and support with that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: in your own community just as much so that you
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: can keep building the future that we want to see
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: and hopefully that will. I think right now, when it
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: feels like the whole world is bringing down, that we
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: can build it back up in a way that the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: world not as it is, but as it should be.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like, I think it's so important that
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: we understand logically how the world works, and that if
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: you let Shanda, here's the thing. This is this season
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: of Bridgerton with the Cinderella and all of it.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: This season, Yet I watched all the other seasons. I love,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I love, I mean John and Bailey. I can't get enough.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, he didn't even show up, so Amana is
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: not in this season at all. Yeah, I don't think
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: he's coming until part two and they and they have
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: and they knew I'd come back for Jonathan Bailey and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: whether or not Francesca and MICHAELA are going to kiss. Okay, Shanda,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I know when I'm being more.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting she's jerking us.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Around, Shonda, I know when I'm being manipulated, yes, But anyways,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I turned bridge it honestly, like I've never been that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: huge of a Bridger tinpan. I just watch it because
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: everyone's going to watch it and I don't want to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: be left out of the loop. But also, it is
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: a Shonda Rhyme's production, and it does cast a wealth
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: of diversity, and I think it's always important to be
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: one of Michaels. This year, and I keep saying it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: out loud, is I want to watch more non English
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: speaking shows and movies because they're usually better.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, one of the best. When you
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: said I ever seen in my life parasite, yeah, I
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: mean yeah, And I will get a list for you.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Because my brother in law, my angel brother in law,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: my angel brother in law, ash is I'm Bangladesh from Banglash,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: So my sister is now like learning some words in
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Bangladesh in Bangwadeshi and then or Bengali. And then they
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: also have this like way they can watch the old
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: movies and like, so I'll get a list together. One
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: of the actresses looks just like my sister. It's crazy
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: because we are not We're not salv Asian. And I
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: was like, I did, Like I saw a picture that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: they had taken up a screen and he's like, doesn't
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: look like your sister's twin. I was like, oh my gosh,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I thought it was her in a costume. So yeah,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: it's crazy.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: And then it's like you have to start putting your
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: money and your views where you think it'll make the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: most impact. So like, like this goal of mine to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: watch more non English speaking media isn't even like maybeing
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: a feminist and a woman of the world, You're welcome.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: It's it's mostly to make me a better storyteller and screenwriter.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look, sometimes being selfless is selfish too, Okay,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's a given doing something good for someone
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: else makes me feel good being helper, Like I know
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: we're talking about like oh, like I'm the like helper
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: person of behind the base, and like, yes, I'm always
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: like because helping someone makes me feel good and makes
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: me be like, oh, I am capable, I am smart,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I can do this, Like I wish I could speak
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: another language, well, like I took six years of French
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: and if you don't use it, you lose it. And
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: so I mostly don't speak French anymore, you know, Like
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I it's just it's like wow, like someone that has
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: those language skills, Like you're doubly smart for me, You're
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: triply smart for me, you know.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: A perfect example is the Amazon Prime show With Love.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: By the time I was watching With Love, they had
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: already made a decision after season two to cancel it.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: So I fell with this entire cast of characters, and
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Constance Marie was back on my screen, thank god, because
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I had the hugest crush on her from the George
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Lopez Show and Selena. And then at the end of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: the day it was gone.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Amazon loves to cancel a good thing. I was just
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: having this conversation with someone like I would steal it.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I would still watch four seasons of Good Girl's Revolt,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Like I'm still mad. I haven't stopped being mad about it.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need everyone to know and like And that's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: my point, Like the studio head, and I say this
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: all the time, it's not actually artists making the call
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: of what gets to be on Amazon Pride. There's no
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: like beautiful artists sitting in an office advocating for all
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: of the good shows to get put onto the streamers.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: It's some guy named Bob. He has a finance degree.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: He's never wept or felt joy a day in his life.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: His name is Boss. He studied finance. He knows spreadsheets,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: and all he can see is whether or not your
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: show brought in a big number of viewership and money,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: and if it didn't, Bob doesn't care about how many
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: jobs it costs or the artistic integrity of was it
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Bozart in the Jungle? That was another good one?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was like a wording. I actually did
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: not catch that one, but because it looked like a
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: boys showed to me was but good girls were fault?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: But good girls fault? Like he has a care what
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: the artistic integrity of anything that's coming across his desk
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: dusk to green light. Is they only care we have
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: to be the money in the numbers and we have
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: to start manipulating the system.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing like Geena Davis Institute, Like
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I don't like, don't give up on her, okay, because
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I do think, like hold hard data is really what
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: was moving a needle forward or like moving a needle period,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: like getting getting things like getting things going. And yeah,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: it's just I think that that was what spoke to them,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: because it's like, okay, we have to explain it to
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: them in their language, the numbers language, the data language,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: and the same way that that's why like if we
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: do want things to change, we need to like talk money,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: because that's why people understand like, oh, you're not going
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: to have You're gonna elect to end your DEI staff.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Well I'm not shopping there anymore. You're going to elect
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: to you know, create like support war crimes. I'm gonna
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: stop buying it, you know. So I worry like that
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: what will what we won't own anything again?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: You know, Like I'm about to get a DVD player,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I I don't even know how i'd set
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: it up on my TV TVs are built for extra
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: stuff anymore that.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where do I post my DV right? It used
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: to like come with a little slot in it?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: And where do I put my DVD player when I
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: buy it? I have no idea. It's too stressful. But
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I am going to move us into our closing out
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: ceremony where I prepared you for a lesson and a manifestation.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: What do you think is your biggest takeaway from Geena
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Davis and all of her work besides that we love
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: her and we hope that she's proud of us.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, just like she's such an accomplished
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: person and is always like picking something up, like picking
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: something new up, Like she was a model, she was
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: in after she was a mother, she was, well she
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: is a mother and like and she's like an olympian
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Like would love to watch Geena Davis to her archery.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think what a big, huge takeaway
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: of this too is like if you have the ears
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: of all the white men in the room, you have
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: to be spouting the things that they do not want
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: to hear or deal with, and you have to make
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: them deal with it.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she didn't give up, like she was like
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: continuing to request meetings. Like she was like just because
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: they don't talk to you the first time around, Like,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: don't give up, And eventually she did. All the major
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: studio heads in the beginning like of course said no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: no no no, we fixed it, Gena, we already fixed it.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: We don't need we don't need to. Yeah, we just
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: like they were like, this is a waste of our time,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: we don't need to fix it. And she's like, well
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: this is otherwise, and like here, please see my report,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: and like when they would take a look at the numbers,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: they were like, oh, we do have we do need
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: your help to solve it, like and then would create
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: these partnerships. So it's like, I do think like her
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: using her privilege for good was is definitely like a
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: huge takeaway. And to not give up and not take
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are out there that
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: we're part of the wayoffs from Amazon to you know,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: the us AID losing funding. So I know that being
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: a long term job seeker is really one of the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: hardest things that you can do, especially in the US
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: right now. So I think it's important to keep that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: mindset of like don't don't give up, don't take a
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: know the first time around, like and what is and
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: what's meant for you will come to you. I know
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: we say this a lot, and behind the banks is
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: like rejection is the redirection that you know, maybe someone's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: saying no the first time around, but you just have
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: to come from a different angle and like don't give
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: up on what you know in your heart is right.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: So she's like, I have the data, it's not a lie.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not wrong, and I can prove it. Just give
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: me the chance.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sort of those are some of my big
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: takeaways for sure, is like don't stop trying in like
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: trying new things. Like when she's like reinventing herself all
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: the time, you know, it's like makes me think I've
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: certainly had a bajillion jobs in the past, but that
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't sawt stop me from like trying something new and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: doing something different, Like this is my first time getting
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: on a podcast. I keep on trying new things.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm thirty seven years old and I'm like back
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: in my intern era, i keep like getting jobs for free,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I can't stop. I can't So it's
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: just free, just me telling myself. I'm having the best
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: time while I run myself racket. What would be something
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: that you would want to manifest for the general collective
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: and the energy that we all share.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, so I'm manifesting no more mid mediocre, no more
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: bad men ruling the world. So if they say if
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: you can see it, you can be it, it's you gotta.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: We got to turn the Modo.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Dojo cross house upside out. Yeah.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Like, I was reading about elephants that I saw this
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: great exhibit at the MET a while back about elephants,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: and I was like trying to I was looking trying
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: to recall something from it, and I was reading about
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: elephants and it's just like they really are a creature
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: to look up to you because they have really got
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: it figured out.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I think I've been saying that for years.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: They're a matriarchy and they are really I don't know,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: I think that their society has it is running quite well.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Oh well, Chess, this was lovely. Congrats on your first
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: podcast guest. Thanks for having me. Here's too many more. Uh.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Do you have anything that you would like to plug
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: for the Titler Raiders?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Well, I have a private Instagram, but
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: if you already follow Natalie and or this podcast, I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: will let.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: You through the gates.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: I love that pond top bet I created when I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: was living and working back and forth between the US
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  Speaker 2: in gold. So I tried to choose just one place
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  Speaker 2: to suggest that you don't but I couldn't. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: So I.
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  Speaker 2: is in quotes for me right now, but it's certainly
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  Speaker 2: lifelong learner, being a not giving up. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: There we go, trying to apply all those things to
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  Speaker 2: not haven't written my book yet, but it's in the works,
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  Speaker 2: which is better than I could have said before.
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  Speaker 1: So well there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and along the way I made some fellow cool
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  Speaker 1: I often say I joined the book club, then a
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