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Kesha · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with Naaniley Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. Today
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  Speaker 1: is a great day. Today Darcy is back on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You will recognize Darcy from our episodes on Wrestling, Final
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  Speaker 1: Girls and that Tortured Poets Department episode that was so
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  Speaker 1: long we broke it up twice. Today, Darcy and I
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  Speaker 1: felt it was finally the right time to talk about
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  Speaker 1: our one true love, our one true passion, and that
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  Speaker 1: is Kasha.
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  Speaker 2: The amazing phenomenal Kasha.
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  Speaker 1: When people find out, like when a new person and
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  Speaker 1: like a boss or like a new mentor or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: finds out that you're a Kesha fan, how do they react.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I've really had many instances where
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  Speaker 2: I's like what I think also that has to do
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  Speaker 2: with my eclectic things I like, so that might be
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  Speaker 2: like it might not be that like surprising, or I
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  Speaker 2: haven't really A lot of my supervisors have been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit eager too, so I feel like the kind
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  Speaker 2: of don't see necessarily anything, but have you had an experience,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 1: Every time, And it's probably because of my insanity where
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  Speaker 1: it's like I can't just say, oh, I really love
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  Speaker 1: Ksha's Rainbow album. I literally have to be like, Kesha's
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  Speaker 1: one of my greatest inspirations. I think about her every day.
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  Speaker 1: I always wish her well, and I want whoever helped
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  Speaker 1: her in the way that they helped her to the
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  Speaker 1: person that she is today to get a hold of
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  Speaker 1: Amanda buying some Britney spears like to me, to me
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  Speaker 1: at this point in January twenty twenty six, Kshaw's a
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  Speaker 1: big success story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially after her gag Order album in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three, which which honestly is my favorite album from hers.
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  Speaker 2: She changed the name of it, which kind of is like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, did she hate this album?
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's probably one of those just like
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  Speaker 2: rough albums because I don't know that I really fully
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  Speaker 2: understood that after Rainbow, like so Rainbow happened, and I
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  Speaker 2: think she did High Road. I didn't like. I listened
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  Speaker 2: to High Road, but there was like a few songs
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  Speaker 2: that I really like vibed with, and then something about
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  Speaker 2: gag Order. I mean, I'm really really depressed my mind
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  Speaker 2: nerd just calling a bar so I like, like I
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  Speaker 2: was so obsessed with that fucking album well.
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  Speaker 1: And gag ordered happened? Would you say? Twenty twenty three?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was the biggest flop, was it? Isn't
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  Speaker 2: that sad?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god? It was so good at the Tits
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  Speaker 1: Out tour.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, and then she kind of came back
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  Speaker 2: with the AK and I think, unfortunately, her biggest market
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  Speaker 2: is like the party songs. I like the songs that
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  Speaker 2: make me want to like dump up a great because
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  Speaker 2: they're the best thing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I was gonna say that twenty twenty three, it
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  Speaker 1: had to be twenty twenty four that Tortured Poets Department
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  Speaker 1: came out, because you were still very much in the
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  Speaker 1: midst of the divorce. When Tortured Poet's Department came out,
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  Speaker 1: people are less surprised that I'm a Taylor Swift fan,
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  Speaker 1: even though I have gone on record to say that
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  Speaker 1: we're fighting. Her and I are enough fight.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I left called a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: I'm finding a way to like enjoy her music separate
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  Speaker 2: than like her as a person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you said, like Torture Poets.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it just rips my heart out and
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  Speaker 1: stomps on it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the two as a gag order and George
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  Speaker 2: with poets kind of like if you put those too together.
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  Speaker 1: Man, But I think I think because of like the
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  Speaker 1: party girl persona that Kasha began with, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: bumped and grind and wore basement glitter to the right,
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  Speaker 1: like I was throwing it back at Hooligan's to TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: don't stop.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's twenty one, like when the songs are
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  Speaker 2: coming out, so like those are like the bar anthems
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  Speaker 2: like you always played Me and my Friend. So it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of funny if do you kind of like I
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  Speaker 2: kind of really grew up with Ksha.
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  Speaker 1: And way yes, And so when I tell people that
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  Speaker 1: I'm like a huge Kasha fan and like literally like
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  Speaker 1: have horrific knowledge, Like the amount of knowledge that I
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  Speaker 1: have about Kesha is ridiculous, and people are like, really
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  Speaker 1: because no one takes her seriously, and no one unless
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  Speaker 1: you were really a Kasha fan, knew what she was
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  Speaker 1: doing after the doctor Luke allegations of the lawsuits and
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  Speaker 1: all of it. So people just think of her as
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  Speaker 1: party girl music. And you know, at thirty seven, I'm
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  Speaker 1: quite not the party girl anymore. So like they don't
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  Speaker 1: take me seriously when I'm like, I love Kasha because
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to take her seriously.
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  Speaker 2: Right when like her music evolved but so much, I
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  Speaker 2: do think like Yippy Kaye, she kind of this is
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  Speaker 2: the album.
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  Speaker 1: No Yippi Kaya was just a single single. The latest
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  Speaker 1: album is just called a Pink Dot.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, okay, I was a creatite what but I
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  Speaker 2: do I think she kind of like tapped more into
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  Speaker 2: into that. And I think that's why I tore was
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  Speaker 2: so successful. And I think people like me and I
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  Speaker 2: think it's both of these conversations. When he saw her,
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  Speaker 2: you know, really saw her evolved into like it's like,
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  Speaker 2: so I see her four times. All were posts like
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  Speaker 2: the doger loop stuff Like the first time I started.
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  Speaker 2: They do s thing here called kiss Mustache. It's like
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  Speaker 2: the kiss any pro favorite yo. It's it's not like
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  Speaker 2: it's like a kid like not a kid thing, but
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  Speaker 2: like teenagers go and like I had never gone all
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  Speaker 2: my life. Never they do kisses on the hello and
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  Speaker 2: kiss the spash. I don't even know if they still
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  Speaker 2: do them, but they did the years ago, and I
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  Speaker 2: had never gone. And then me and like two of
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  Speaker 2: my girlfriends saw that she was coming, you know, going
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  Speaker 2: to be headlining it. It sucked though she did like
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  Speaker 2: six songs because it was like such like a It's
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  Speaker 2: like they put so many artists on and it was
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  Speaker 2: she played woman, but they leaped out like fucking the hall.
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  Speaker 1: What the whole whole playerless song?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I wasn't the cause I started
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  Speaker 2: with Matt.
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  Speaker 1: Moore, m hyeah the Rainbow Tour.
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  Speaker 2: I went, oh, oh, my god, duh, And then I
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  Speaker 2: saw her after so Rainbow Rainbow. Yes, I did see
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  Speaker 2: very intimate setting at the History in Toronto.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I'm mad that I didn't go to gag order
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  Speaker 1: because she was right over the bridge in Newport and
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  Speaker 1: I just like kept not getting tickets and then it
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  Speaker 1: was too late.
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  Speaker 2: It was I don't even remember how it all came about.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, honestly, twenty twenty three. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: that year is almost like blacked out, like I don't
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  Speaker 2: rest like traumatic. I don't remember a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: But I remember like two of my girlfriends took my
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  Speaker 2: friend Ashley and my family. It took me. My friend
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  Speaker 2: Rina was supposed to go, and then something up been
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  Speaker 2: with her passports. She couldn't get or her like herm
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  Speaker 2: Enhance Liss. She couldn't go because it was in Toronto,
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  Speaker 2: so my friend Emily went and oh my god, I
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  Speaker 2: just that time. I like, well yeah, several times, but
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  Speaker 2: especially during Happy and I did it again, can I?
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  Speaker 1: So I do want to talk about the Doctor Luke stuff, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I do believe that it was during the Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Luke coverage that I went from a casual girl who
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  Speaker 1: likes to throw it back to TikTok to like literally
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  Speaker 1: a monster who would chew people out on the street
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  Speaker 1: if they were just like, well, Kesha's a hot mess.
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  Speaker 1: What do we expect?
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  Speaker 2: Like do you identify as like one prank? Because she
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  Speaker 2: released Prying.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And remember she played it at either the
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  Speaker 1: American Billboard Music Awards or the Grammys or something, and
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  Speaker 1: Cindy Laupner was up there and they were all dressed
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  Speaker 1: in white, and like I watched that like monthly.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I feel like I had to have
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  Speaker 2: watched it.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I remember, though, I was. I remember when I watched
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  Speaker 2: that music video for the first time, because I think
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  Speaker 2: before Rainbow, we didn't really have we didn't have anything
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  Speaker 2: right for a while, like after like warrior.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and this is why do you know how long
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  Speaker 1: ago the lawsuit was her side of the lawsuit was
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  Speaker 1: even filed when October of twenty fourteen, I have an
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  Speaker 1: entire timeline in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when she had Did you watch her show?
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  Speaker 2: Did you have the show? No? What?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Did she have a TV show?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: It was a really short scent, and it had to
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  Speaker 2: be because I was just gonna say, she's the reason
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  Speaker 2: the reason I had become a vegetarian. The first time
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  Speaker 2: I was watching her show and I was like, she's
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  Speaker 2: just the fucking cutest and that's why I think. Really
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  Speaker 2: it had to be only maybe six episode. Like I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know if people it was MTV Beats one
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  Speaker 2: or something and they really just like it was like
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  Speaker 2: her life in Alaska, and it was she was really
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  Speaker 2: like me. But like that's when I really like clocked,
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  Speaker 2: like this bitch is fucking smart and very talented. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: it always liked for music, but like I was like,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot more than this auto tune like technoe
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  Speaker 2: like all this like not technically, but you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like dance music. It's not like there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot more to her than we obviously got to see
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  Speaker 2: as things around. But tell me more about the woof Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So this is your trigger warning that we will be
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  Speaker 1: talking about Ksha's sexual assault claims against doctor Luke and
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  Speaker 1: how horrific it all ended up being for Kasha. So
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  Speaker 1: Kasha Susan in October of twenty fourteen about uh for
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault and battery, among other claims. One of them
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  Speaker 1: is that for her entire career, he was self prescribing
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  Speaker 1: her medicine that she didn't want to take and she
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  Speaker 1: was calling them like sober pills. And this is where
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  Speaker 1: like when people want to get heated with me about
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  Speaker 1: like Kesha, like I've literally chewed people out before, one
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  Speaker 1: of them being my boss, Like he saw my Kasha
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  Speaker 1: poster and he was like, who the hell is a
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  Speaker 1: Kesha fan? And I was like me, I pray to her.
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  Speaker 1: She's a goddess in my eyes. Do you want to
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  Speaker 1: get into it? Well, he had worked at a different
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  Speaker 1: like concert venue and had her as one of his
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  Speaker 1: talents one night and she was strung out, and he
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: said that the meet and greet took twice as long
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  Speaker 1: as it should have because she got distracted by like
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  Speaker 1: it was like a venue that was like attached to
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  Speaker 1: a college, and their mascout was the bulldog, and they
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  Speaker 1: brought them like a real bulldog out and she fell
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  Speaker 1: in love with the bulldog and only want to talk
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: to the bulldog. And I get that that, Like, if
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  Speaker 1: you're the person who's who has to make sure that
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: everyone's going home and not getting over time or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: so annoying. However, if you're a Nadley and you're insane,
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  Speaker 1: I'm now yelling at you because I'm like, God knows
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  Speaker 1: what she was let her. God knows what she was on.
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  Speaker 1: God knows if she had chosen to be on it.
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  Speaker 1: I go, it was probably in the midst of her
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  Speaker 1: suing or being sued or abused. I go, and like,
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  Speaker 1: you have also watched me fall to the ground because
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  Speaker 1: we've had dogs in our venues and I've had to
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: stop my entire workday. Yeah you have. Your wife has
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: come upon me laying on the floor with foster dogs
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: because they're in our theater, like.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, I was like needing her or any like
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: celebrity artists whatever, and they had their attention drawn to
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  Speaker 2: like an animal. I'm like, oh, he's relatable, Like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I understand because that's and I.
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  Speaker 1: And I did like I did, like walk him through
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  Speaker 1: like all of it. And by the end of it,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, Nambley, I am going
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: to rethink that story over and I'm gonna change my
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: tune on Kesha. And you know what, he stopped by
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  Speaker 1: every time I had one of her albums on while
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  Speaker 1: I was walking working, he'd tap on the poster on
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  Speaker 1: his way out of my little cubicle like he did.
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  Speaker 1: He did, And I was like, Okay, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I know a man in pressing Namby in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy. But so she was being abused by
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  Speaker 1: doctor Luke. Her entire career is what comes out, and
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  Speaker 1: then all of her money and her resources are tied
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  Speaker 1: in to her contract with doctor Luke, who she's suing,
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  Speaker 1: and she can't get any of the rights to her music.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that, like it's a bigger discussion that
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm knowledgeable enough to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: like the abusive way that we treat music artists in general,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the ways that they're allowed to
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  Speaker 1: track and make money off of the music that they create.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's horrific, and it's I mean, honestly, it's something
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  Speaker 1: that my girl, who I'm in a fight with, Taylor Swift,
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  Speaker 1: talks about all the time. And we are living in
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  Speaker 1: an age now where she finally owns all of her masters,
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  Speaker 1: and that was the goal of the Airs tour, and
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: we found out during the Tits Out tour that Ksha
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: is now re recording all of her old songs so
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  Speaker 1: she owns the new masters, which is what Taylor did
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  Speaker 1: with Taylor's version.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think just talking about it, yeah, because I remember,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, she's so happy. It's like he was
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  Speaker 2: like finally released. I didn't realize like that chunk of
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  Speaker 2: time that like she was kind of still tied to.
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  Speaker 1: Him and making him money. What was that making him
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  Speaker 1: money while he's not booking her for shows or getting
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  Speaker 1: her opportunities or whatever, because then she could afford lawyers
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't even know if it's an urban
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  Speaker 1: legend or something that I made up, but I know that,
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  Speaker 1: like Lady Gaga walked in on something weird between her
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  Speaker 1: and doctor Luke and she testified on Cash's behalf, and
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I know that Taylor paid for part of her legal team.
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  Speaker 2: When did it close?
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: When did she jus? Like there's like is there like
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: the you know, well, yeah, it's a back and forth
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  Speaker 1: because she sues him for abuse, he countersues for slander basically,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: which ties it all up, which which honestly we've kind
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  Speaker 1: of we haven't really gone through something similar, but like
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  Speaker 1: I saw the Blake Lively justin Baloney thing going down
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  Speaker 1: the same path as this one, and that's why I
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  Speaker 1: was so pissed because it's like I have to side
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  Speaker 1: with Blake Lively, right, because we've lived this before. In
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  Speaker 1: January twenty nineteen. Now I'm reading through the title, like
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  Speaker 1: I do have a article evidence that Lady Gaga does
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  Speaker 1: defend Kesha in court in a deposition. February twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: she releases high Road. So Rainbow and high Road were
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: released while she's all wrapped.
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  Speaker 2: Up in this, which is interesting because like Rainbow has rainbows,
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  Speaker 2: like I love Rainbow. I love Rainbow. I didn't have
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: like an iPod yet, and I listened to the CD
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  Speaker 2: like on repeat. My mom listen to every Day a
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Marina College and I would. It's it's so like the
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: song rat though, but like it's just interesting because the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Rainbow album is very like empowering, and that's a song
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  Speaker 2: that's praying at it. Yes, yes, I remember the first
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: time I heard praying. He was in the car. My
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: ass was going to Starbucks. I didn't drink Starabox at
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the time, so and we had pulled up the music
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: addicted to it. I think you quit drinking definitely, No,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I think because you got having been too Starbucks. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was like I'm not going in because cause just
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I just saw the music video. So it was like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: you can leave. Yeah, I was like, you can leave.
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  Speaker 2: And I sat there and I literally bowled my eyes. Now,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the first time I heard it, it's just so powerful,
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  Speaker 2: So I think, I guess I'm getting I was like
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  Speaker 2: kind of surprising that that's still And I think maybe
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  Speaker 2: to like the casual person is like maybe thinking that
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  Speaker 2: it might be over. But out of that.
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  Speaker 1: And so doctor Luke, when High Road and Rainbow are
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  Speaker 1: being produced or whatever no longer works for whatever music company. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're getting in the weeds with it. But it's February
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty when the judge kind of rules not in
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  Speaker 1: not in like Doctor Luke's fate favor. But it's like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: there's no winner to this. We can't actually prove anything,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and it's because Lady Gaga in her deposition said something
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: along the line so that Katy Perry had also kind
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  Speaker 1: of confided in Lady Gaga that doctor Luke had maybe
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: done something unsavory towards her, and Katy Perry wouldn't testify
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  Speaker 1: against him.
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  Speaker 2: She bound to make more music with him, and now.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: She's still making more music with him, which is why
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: more like alarming, which is why you will catch me
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: removing Katy Perry from all of my playlists because it
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Family cannot fuck with people who fuck
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  Speaker 1: with known abusive men, like if your friend took him
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  Speaker 1: to court. If Lady Gaga says she saw it like
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  Speaker 1: if this, that and the other, like uh huh, nadly
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  Speaker 1: does not want to fuck with Katy Perry, then she's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: well and like came, Harry's kind of tacky at this point,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: She's kind of like lost her mind.
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  Speaker 1: She's lost her mind, So good luck Justin Trudeau. I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: guess who's also I think someone who has lost his mind. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it's basically February twenty twenty. In March twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: like she tried to file an appeal to the ruling
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that didn't like to seek a reversal of the ruling,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: but it hasn't gone anywhere. But and I think, like
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: this is there's a statement to be made about how
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: like exhausting it is to seek out justice while also
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: like living your everyday life. And also like if it's
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty and you're still like filing appeals or whatever,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and you can't move on because you know it happened
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and you and like, and I also think, like, you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the capricorn in me would be like, and I fucking
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: missed out on money and opportunities. No one takes my
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: career seriously. I literally lost friends during the Kasha Trials. Yes,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I was in a car and another and we were
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: on a like two hour road trip or whatever, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: someone brought up, probably me, the Kasha Trials or whatever,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: because they were on TV and the radio. They were
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: all over And my former friend at the time was like, well,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: she's like a slut who makes trash music, Like what
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: credibility does she have to eat that we even believe her?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Number one, my default is to
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: believe women, And then a man sitting next to me
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: kept egging on my friend, who was just like, she's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a slut, she's a high school dropout. Where was her mom?
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Like there were all of these ways that this could
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: have been avoided, this, that, and the other. She probably
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: slept her way to the top, you know, all of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the gross things that we say about women in any
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: industry who seek out justice for themselves. And I'm just
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: like getting incense and like and I think that's when
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it hit me that, like the way that we market
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: young women in the pop industry is so purposeful in
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the way that we do strip all credibility off of them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And we saw it with the Britney Spears trials and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: all of it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Scood. I mean, it's it's sick to watch, Like I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: feel like Britney Spears was like, I mean, I'm sure
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: there's other scenarios do but like the worst case, like
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: we like it was when we could all watch it
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: unfold in front of us. I mean, we're old enough
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that we saw it. I mean, I know something like
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the people like don't really get like that. I don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: get her popularity like that, And I'm like, oh god, no,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: it's hogriffic.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Julie and I talked about it during the Linda episode
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: because we were just talking about like women who believe
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: propaganda about other women, and I was like, I can't
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: even talk because we were the generation that fell for
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: all the propaganda against Britney Spears. And I can probably
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: paint by memory the photo and all the magazines of
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: her bald and smashing the windshield with the bad.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yep yep, and like the one with her like shaving
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: shaving her head, and like it's it's it's fucked up that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think everybody knows that was there, Like
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: we're like paying attention now, like that that really was
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: just everybody was watching her like she's a fucking circus animal.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: So then like so then now I'm in my conspiracy
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: theory rabbit hole where I'm like, they sexualize these women
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: when they're nineteen years old, They turn them into club
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: party girl sluts so that they can continue to abuse
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: them and continue to not pay them and continue to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: not treat them like artists. And then when they do
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: speak out about the shit that happens to them when
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they're sitting in offices with men, we don't believe them
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: because they're just a party girl who's drunk all the time.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That reminds me of I read I like remember reading
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: this like ten years ago, and it crosses my mind
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: like occasionally, honestly about more than occasionally, but that famous
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: people like especially if like a honestly might apply more
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: to child stars and like as far and then women
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: like female celebrities that they are the a They stay
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the age that they were when they got famous, which
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: makes the same sense. It goes along with what you're
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: saying to basically traumatizing them into like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Not throwing there's a term for it, and I'm gonna
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: throw out the term emotionally arrested. Oh my god, Yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I think that's the term for it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I have never heard that, but that it's like I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: think the perfect Yeah, their.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Mature they basically their maturity level stays at whatever the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: peak of their fame was or the most trauma traumatizing
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: part of their career. And again, and I cannot stress
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that enough, like Mandy Moore, Christina Aguilera, Jessica Simpson whose
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: father is a whole other episode. Honestly, probably Taylor Swift,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: they didn't truly do anything smarter or different in the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: music industry. They were just lucky. They either had like
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: a mom like Andrea who was on top of it,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they had well and and then like that's not even
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: giving credit to Kesha's mom. Kesha comes from a musically
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: inclined family. Her mom's written songs with Dolly Parton. Dolly
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Parton is her godmother. Dolly Parton is also the godmother
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of Miley Cyrus. And we know that Miley Cyrus has
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: been through the ringer too, and it's like, there aren't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, like the system has to be
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: so bad in the music industry if not even like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: being closely aligned to Dolly Parton can save you.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what it's saying like that, I'm saying
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I am like full blown in this, like anybody in Hollywood,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: any man, especially in Hollywood and man in reality TV.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I just feel like, and I know there's I know
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: those like definitely maybe some maybe Pascal not.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Pascal. Who's the other one?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo, Mark Ruffalo my daddy. Yeah, Dave Batista who
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was raised by two moms and loves pitbulls. Okay, ally
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: we can put the Doctor Luke stuff outside, because I think,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: like the point of it is is just that like
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: it's so ingrained in the industry that women are just
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: being abused and like, and I also know that like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: right after in Sync was no longer in Sync, we
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: got that documentary about like how that guy was also
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: ruining all of the boy bands and whatever and abusing them.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: We're not talking about them today, We're talking about women.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: In her reviews.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and heal from it because the thing
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: about the Rainbow album, and this is how I know
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: she's a genius and I do believe that she is
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: a genius, and like, you know, Lady Gaga is also
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: like has I cue genius levels, and I think Kasha
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: has a genius.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I thought she was like very I mean, did you
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: did you do school.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Kasha or Lady Gagaka? That's what my hateful friend said
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that I've been dumped.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, I don't know. I could be wrong,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: but I thought that she was like yeah, pretty pretty smart.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Right, but anyway, like like who knows, who knows women
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: aren't taken seriously? So anyways, that Godzilla song is about
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: like how do you live as a woman who knows
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that they have an abusive partner, but you have to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: bring that abusive partner to every family holiday in Gabe
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: night And it's like a funny song, like you giggle
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: when you're singing it, but like I remember listening to
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it the first time and I was like shit, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I I was going through a breakup when the Rainbow
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: album came out, so I cried to it a lot.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: My My actual favorite song on Rainbow is him. This
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: is a hymn for the hymn list gets with no religion,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and she's never performed it live and I'm like, but Gosha, please,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised. I know me too. I'm surprised because it's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a banger.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, Like.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: It's it's represents, you know, the outcast and how we
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: kind of all just abandoned her to fame and all
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that comes with that. And and I think that that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: happens a lot to women in the entertainment and the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: music industry, that like it's a you get what you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: get and you don't throw a fit like, oh, well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: you wanted to be a musician, this is the cost
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: of being a musician. Okay, tell that to Billy Joel.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Do you think Billy Joel, what's be like? Okay, So
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: when I saw Praying being performed the first time, a
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: person in the section ahead of us, So I was
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: like in the second section of seats, and then people
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: who had more expensive seats were in the front. In
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the center, she had made a bunch of rainbow hearts
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that said things like we love you, We're proud of you,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: like just all of these little like messages. And then
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: she asked people who she was sitting here, like do
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you want a heart to hold up during praying? And
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry thinking about it. So I saw this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: castime no for the Rainbow tour, So this is gonna
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: even cry. So like it's it's literally her first tour,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: her first album. She's not even headlining. She's never headlined
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a tour sent besides since before gag Order. I think
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: she said, yeah she was. She was back Lamore's opener.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So like it's the first music that she's been able
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to produce. She's kind of playing her old stuff that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: gets us pumping, but you can tell that she's had
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to make little adjustments to it. So because it's all
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: so wrapped up in her legal battle, and so she
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: starts praying, and all of a sudden, the front section
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: gets filled with all of these rainbow hearts, and then like,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm all I've cried because she's sang bastards. It's one
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of my I'm gonna say, oh, and it's good if
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you're mad, and it's good if you're sad, and it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: good if you're happy and proud of yourself, like it's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: just good. And so I cried literally because she walked
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: on stage. Honestly, I was like, oh my god, it's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: my girl, and I'm so proud of her. And then
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: these rainbow hearts come up and she starts bawling and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: then we the audience carry the rest of the song
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: with her, like we're singing with her. I'm crying, she's crying.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And then when she was done, she was like, I'm
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: sure you all saw the hearts, but each one has
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: like a it's just support for me. And she goes
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and I've never had anything like that happened to me before.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: After all of this, like, and she talked a lot
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: about it at the Tits Out Tour about how like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: number one for the Tits Out Tour to be something
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that was called Tits out right right and for it
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to be one of the most emotional concerts I've ever
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: been to. Number one. She opens it up with a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: pagan ceremony where she sacrifices a mannequin head that is
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in the likeness of controlled by Tape doctor Luke Kesha,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: with like the black star on the eye and the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: feathered hair and everything. She's like, I'm sacrificing this. This
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: is not who we are anymore. We're cleansing her from
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: the energy. So like I I am an acolyte to Ksha,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I already belong in the cult. My poor sister, My
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: poor sister has just come becase as I had a ticket,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to go by myself, so I bought
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: her a ticket.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Oh I didn't even remember when.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm crying while she's doing her pagan ceremony. My
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: sister is literally looking at me like what the fucking happening?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Are we joining a cult? Did you bring me to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: occult thing? And I was like, just let it happened.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I'm crying. I'm at church. The demons are leaving me.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I I am literally like testifying. My sister is just
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: patiently waiting for TikTok to.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Like something like that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just calmly waiting for we are who we are,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm literally having a religious experience.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Because she is. And I think we have touched it,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: but like it's just especially for someone to walk into.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's actually probably like really cool, amazing, like
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: that your sister walked into that expecting or like you know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: thinking of TikTok twenty one year old Kasha and to
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: see just like how deep yes she is now.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: And like her music is deep, it's like moving.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: She's so spiritual. She had that podcast during the quarantine,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: during the lockdown that was all about like aliens and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: people like her and Debbie Levato went out into the
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: desert to dry and find aliens jealous. I think the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: thing about like Keasha for me is that she is
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: so genuine and that's probably why she was taken advantage of,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: because well, number one, you are what twenty years old,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and all of these men in suits named Steve and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Luke are looking at you and they're just like, this
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: is how you make money and sign these papers and
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you don't know how. I'm very seven years old. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: still don't read papers that well. That I sign right, no, totally,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and like it's years old, right, and like your mom's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: kind of been through with like Dolly Parry and all
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the other people that she collaborates with, so she's probably
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: glancing through papers, but she's probably not who even knows
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: if she was invited to meetings. And it's just like
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: they make part of the gas lighting of the entertainment industry,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: which is so funny because like here I am telling
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: people that I'm going to write TV and movies, and
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I'm also like, but it's bad here, but I promise
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: by the end of the episode this will all have
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: an arc. I think that like part of the big
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: manipulation machine in the entertainment industry and honestly in capitalism
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and America in general in twenty twenty six is the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: scarcity complex that they keep us in fear of, where
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: it's like any girl could be a pop star, but
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: we chose you, and not everyone gets that opportunity, and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: they're constantly feeding you that bullshit and you're too skinny,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: or you're too fat, or you're too hot, or you're
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: too virginal, or like someone else got to be the virgin,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: so you have to hoe it up and like it's sick.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: They made Britney Spears dance with a snake. They didn't
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: even ask her if she was afraid of snakes. Oh real,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I don't really need that for real. Who wants to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: dance with the ball python? Not me? And she killed it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And then and now I'm gonna get out of my
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Britney Spears high horse where I'm like, and now people
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: want to make fun of her because she's like scantily
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: clad on Instagram, you know, doing her knives dances, and like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: people who have been in love with Britney Spears forever
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: are like, well, that's how she always danced. It's just
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: with knives now and unwashed hair, yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Right right, like booty swords in a time.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: That's how she always dances. It's literally her routine. And
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: then I'm like and then I was like, you know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Britney Spears told us why she kept getting naked on Instagram,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and it's because, for the first time in her life,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: she owns her body. So she's going to put a
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: little clam over her Pikachu. She's going to be naked
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. She's over it, She's earned it. Literally, all
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I want in the world is for Amanda Vines and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Kesha and Britney Spears and Jeanette McCarty and all of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: my like angels. I just want them to have one
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: good friend. And I know that Paris Hilton is checking
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: in on Britney Spears. Yeah yeah, but like also Paris
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: is also one of my lost little angels, like she's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: been through shit. Yeah we found out.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It really kind of like pulled the curtain back on that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I either want all of my little angels to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: form a club or I just want them to be
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: like I want to be their friends so I can
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: save them. I guess which is codependency. I just want,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like all my lost little angels to just have like
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And I don't even know who's strong enough to do it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I think Chelsea Handler, But Chelsea Handler also doesn't want
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a little a row of duck Lan's. She's very she's
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: very upfront about that, but I don't know, maybe Kathy Griffin.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Lohand yeah, I still know she's coming out of.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I know my girl, Lindsey looks great and she's doing
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the mom stuff and she looks great, and she's on
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: one hell of a comebat and she's also a success
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: story too. Oh my god, Hillary Duff's back on tour,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Baby my girl, she is, she's coming clean, looks she's
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: making the rainfall down. The thing about Kasha now and
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: this tits out to her, is that it was such
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: like an emotional and it felt it truly felt like
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: her pain homage to us, the people who stuck it through.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You could feel it. You could feel like the collective
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: love in the room and how excited people were that
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: she was doing better.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And she looks good as.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Fun, amazing, and she sounded like so good.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: She sounded so good, right, Because let me tell you,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and I know that you all think that I'm full
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: of shit, but all of these women that they made
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: pop stars and made them use auto tune, they actually
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: do have really fucking great voices. Britney Spears, Kasha Miley,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: name them right, name them, name them.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I totally agree with you. And I remember assuming
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: that Kasha wouldn't be goodbye right. I think it was
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the rumor because I didn't see her.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Honestly, the worst to the person who was the worst
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: live when they started out was the Taylor Allison Swift.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: She was bad live. You can watch the she was
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: bad and she worked at it, so I'm proud of her.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: But she was bad, yeah, which.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And they did her yeah, but still like and and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I think what's so amazing about Kesha is that she's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: taking all this healing. And this is when it clicked
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: for me that Kasha was healed and I still had
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: some bullshit to work on. I don't know how you
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: sing praying, but I sing it like I'm literal really
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: about to light every man who's round me on fire.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I'm angry, I'm using like my belly voice, my entire
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: face has contorted. It's a lot like how I look
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: when I'm singing all too well with detend f. I'm crying,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm also like looking like I might eat your face,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot going on, and there's there's a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: lot going on physically, emotionally and spiritually. I look like
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a lune. But when Keshus sings Praying Now, she does
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: sing it from like a fucking like, yeah, this is
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a great song that I wrote. But I'm healed now,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, maybe I should you know falling
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: back we're healed now, you know?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, I think I don't know. I
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: feel like it's just one of those songs. It's just
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: like when you sing it, like when I mean, like
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: if you didn't listen, it's like it's gonna take, you know.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: And like I think when I saw her, so when
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I saw her this for the Tits Out Tour, that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: was the first time I see he sees my divorse
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: and I like felt praying in a different way. I
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: feel like than I did before. Like I was I like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like I said every time my team played a
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: famous cry, but like this pastime, it was like I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: was angry because I could like relate to it in
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: a different way now and like now like I'm like
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling like about someone how she feels, you know.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: And it was definitely I remember I was like definitely
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: ugly crying because I had on my handles in my
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: mouth like the whole fucking time because I just and happy.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I don't like I'm talking about it, but happy is
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: just like I listen, I feel like she did. So
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like she manifested everything through Happy in gag order,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: like how she says like she wanted all these things
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and like looking at she wasn't there and I feel
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: like almost like when I did that, I felt like
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I kind of did the same.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Thing right, like when when when we were in the car,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: like after happy and guys, I don't know, Like you
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: gotta look up clips of it on YouTube. It's literally
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: just like her in a birthday hat with a guitar,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: just singing about how she finally gets to let it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: all go and she's happy, like don't worry, I'm happy. Yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But it's also like a song about being happy one day,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like and she's like and she tells us like, today's
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the day, Today's the day I get to be happy.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm bawling. And then I get into the car
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and I tell my sister, and then I told my
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: writing group the next day because we had like our
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: magic hour where we all get together and manifest and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: talk about our psychic moments. And I told them all
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and it was it's like that entire concert is literally
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: what I hope for for all of us. I go.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Kasha has been through some of the most horrific things
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: that could ever happen to a person and a woman,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: and then she had to do it so publicly, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: then she had to deal with a lot of us
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: telling her that she was a liar and a skink
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and a dumbass and all of it. I go. And
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: now she's singing on a tour that she's funded on
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: her own, and she's producing her own music, she's reclaiming
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: her other music. I go, and she's happy, and I go,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: and I desperately need more examples like this if I'm
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: going to continue to be a woman who fights against
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: misogyny and the patriarchy. Because we don't get a lot
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: of wins.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: And that's essentially like it's fun, it's fucked.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: We don't get a lot of wins. And I'm like, I,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: this is what you want. It's not that I that
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: almost sounds shitty. It's not that like I have this
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: delusion that like, one day patriarchy will fix itself. It
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: will just go away and we will live perfectly and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: no one will ever be hurt again and none of
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the trauma will hang on or any of it. It's
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: not even that. It's like I want us all to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: be where Kasha is right now, where we look great,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: when we sound great, and we're doing exactly what we
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: fucking want to do, and we're doing it on our terms,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: which is kind of where the arc of all of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: this is closing out because Ksha, I mean, you saw
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: her advertise it at the Tits Outthoor. She has that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: smash app where she's like, we can recreate the music industry,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: we can collaborate with one another. Why are we not
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: communicating with one another? Why are we not giving each
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: other opportunities? Why are we not coming together? So we
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: are in a safe industry, because we're the industry that
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: is going to make my dream come true. Where it's
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: like we're not answering to men, we're like.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Taking the power from them, im back because could.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: You imagine if Chelsea Green and all of the women
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: of the WWE and all of the adjacent wrestling things.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine if they just said we're fucking done
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: and we're redoing glow and you guys don't get to play,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and you and I would be in the front row.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Let's go, Let's go.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, the idea that there's not enough
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: room for all of us. It's the same in the
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: music industry. It's the same in the comedy industry. It's
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the same in the wrestling industry. Fuck, it's the same
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: in every office. You could ever walk into the idea
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: that there's only a spot for one woman, so you
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: better punch out all of the other women so you
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: can sit at that table. It's a lie, it's a falsehood.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: They don't want us talking to one another, they don't
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: want us telling it. What are you making? This is
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: what I'm making. Do you get maternity leave? Because I do,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: like you know right? So yeah, I think that I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: was so glad when you were like, I'm finally ready
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to talk about Kasha, because Kasha did become like my
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: beacon of hope that I was like, you can work
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: your ass up. You can be the most talented. You
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: can be abused and bought against every step of the way,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and then at the end of the day, if you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: decenter men from whatever it is that you're trying to do,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: and you do it on your own, you make magic.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And that's what she did. She held my hands. She
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: knew well and do you know what I found out
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: from the tits out tour. If you hang out, she
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: does do like whatever the equivalent of like stage dooring
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: is at a concert, Like she'll just come and hang
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: out like yeah in the like stay there, yeah, and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: like chat with people. Isn't that wild?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: That's really bored. I wish I knew that when I
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: saw her.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Me too. Oh, if I was in that really tiny
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: venue that you were in for the gag ordered tour,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I would have hunt around. I would be like, there's
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: got to be a door she's got to come out of.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Like I when Kasha held my hands and she healed
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: me and I did I told everyone. I was like,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Kasha is the reason why I have a podcast. It's
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the reason why I write the things that I write.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: It's the reason why I'm always hustling to try and
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: get the shit heard or read or all of it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: And it's because I need people to know that at
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the other side of all of this is enlightenment. It's empowerment,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: it's helping one another and building the community. So all
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: of the movies aren't about Leonardo DiCaprio colonizing a nation
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: or being eaten by a wall, or about like Captain
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: America getting a new pair of underpants. Who fucking cares?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: You know? It's about to be It is Oscar season.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: It's a word season. And we got the nominations today
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and currently Sinners is the number one. It has the
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: most Oscars nominations that have ever happened for.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Like, I was blown away. I cried.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Right because they've been snubbed at every other fucking Awards
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: ceremony that I've worked for, worked for Timmy Tay. I
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: do not take Timmy Tay seriously. And I don't want
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to watch his Ping Pong movie. Yeah, you're trying to
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: get me to take Timmy Tay seriously at he's played
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Ping Pong. Okay, is there anything that you want to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: say about Kasha before we wrap up? What's your biggest
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: lesson that you've learned from Kesha?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So, I think my biggest last thing from Kasha is
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: it's like that you like the answer or like the
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: truth or I don't know what, like the but like
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: it's all inside you, yeah, you know, and like even
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: though like I think a lot, especially like especially since
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: since my divorce, I was, you know, whistling with my
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: expert a two years I was a kid, and like
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: coming out of that and like trying to identify like
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: it was such as a narcissist. It was intertwined or envioized.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: We're completely in fine, Like my I didn't have an identity.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like my own identity towards the last ten years,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: and I feel like I spent a lot of that
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: time after just trying to figure out who I am,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: and I think Kashia and seeing like her journey is
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: very like moving and empowering and like like I said,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: with like gag Order living in my head, like it's
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: so depressing, like any I mean, I look like a
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: lot of people, unless you're like a really big Tsha fan,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't even know that album exist.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like, but also the gag Order, what's its
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: new name? Is gag Ordered the current name? Or oh
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: yeah they choosed it to is it eth the Acid?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's acid. And I know I should respect
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: her and step playing a gag.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Order, I really should, But you fell in Love with
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a Widow was called gag Order, And that's what I
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: think because of the brokenness like was going on to
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: me and like in the music the art there, and
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, so I think.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Just watching the trajectory of like her life and like
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: what she's come through and like come out and like
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: being happy and like being her full self, Like it's
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I had to one weird thing that I've had to
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: do in trying to gain my own sense of self.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Is I think of myself before I was with man,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: when I was sixteen years old, you know, and I'm like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: who was I? And like there's so many things I
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: think of, like and I'm like, well, the last time
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I did this, I was fifteen or you know what
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, like the last time I wanted you know,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And I think it's it's that was
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: empowered me is to kind of like tap into like
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: who I was then when I was like before like trauma,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: before I was Drama dies and like see and I
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: just think that that tra Jet three and like kind
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: of almost similar. And I do I get like mom, Dad,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I listen to.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Everything she ever ever ever, girl, I'm always in your
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: corner unless you do me like Taylor Swift and you
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: make me listen to songs about a football man stick,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you can't make me do it. I think what I've
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: learned from Kasha, and it goes along with what you've
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: learned from Kesha, is that like you cannot rely on
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the abusive systems to care that you're abused, you know, Yeah, yeah,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that's it. And I think, like, you know, it was
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: a six year trial, and at the end of it,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: she chose, while I'm moving on and I've got to
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: move forward, but I'm going to move on better, and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to move on in a way that empowers
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: other people to not end up what ended up tying
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: up my career and my entire existence for six years.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what it is. I think we
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: constantly have to be looking for those pockets where we
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: go no to whatever it is, the music industry, the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: entertainment industry, your toxic boss, any of it. Like all
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: of these ways that we are forced into corners and
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: boxes where like people are just going to tell us
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: you have to accept that you're going to be abused.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: It's what it is, like, it's just how we do
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: things here. Jack Nicholson is going to smack your ass.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like, don't come to the oscars if you
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: don't want it to happen, and instead be the people
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: who are creating things like Smash or Behind the Banes
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: or all of these, all of these people who have
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: been out of work because of writer strikes and COVID
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and all of it. I know that I'm clocked into
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: it because it's currently my whole world. But there are
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: tiktoks of just like people being like, I've got a
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: camera crew in this and we're gonna shoot as many
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: short films in a weekend as we can. So submit
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: your script, and like people are helping people. And Maclamore
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: did Kesha a solid by putting her on that tour,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: and Tea Pain did Kesha a solid by being on
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yebi Kaye. I was kind of hoping he was coming
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: to the tour. I was like, what's Tea Pain doing nothing?
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Get on here, Team Pay, And then my friend clued
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: me into the reason why t Pain goes on everyone's
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: tracks is so he never has to tour because he's
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: getting money from other people's thoughts, which is smart. That's smart.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: T Pay, he's on that one. He won Mask Singer.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: He won Mask Singer. Yeah, I love you T Pain.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: God.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I swear to fucking god, T pay if you. I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore with
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the Nelly and the snoop Dog And like Fitty Sense
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: is only pretending to be a good man because of
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the ditty stuff and he just wants to be petty
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: for Diddy, and I respect it. But I also know
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that Fiddy's not on my side. He's not an ally,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, I mean a lot of people have
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: said that. They're like, I mean, he's not on my side.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: He's not an ally. He's just against Ditty, which I love, Like,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: we're okay with that, but stay away from it. Kendrick
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Lamar all day, every day you come over here, Kendrake,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: you petty little ass.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I will never ever forget watching Supersall
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: it happened. So when he said, hey Drake and a
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: way for it and he.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Hey Drake, I hear you like it?
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Young Drake was one of my that was that was
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: a breakup for me. I was late to the Drake Prairie.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I got Super Drake like twenty sixteen. He was like
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: the top art or something.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Oh no, literally would have been me. I would have like,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I think we should see a minor wherever Drake is.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I think anytime Drake walks into her room, so once
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: she go a minor fun hilarious, hilarious. But yeah, that's
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: what Kasha taught me. It's like, don't rely on abusive
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: systems to care that you're abused. Create something new, create
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: something better, for yourself, empower yourself to do it. Find
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the people who are going to help you do it,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: because clearly someone's helping Kasha. I don't know how you
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: did get yourself out of the debt hole and all
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: of it. That was probably those six years. So someone's
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: helping her somewhere. So find find the what did all?
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Mister Rogers always told us to find the helpers, and
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: that's what Kasha did. That's adorable. Oh, mister Rogers. Another
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: man I support, but he's dead, so it's hard. Him
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and Steve Him and Steve Irwin. I cried every week
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: at Dancing with the Starts with Robert Irwin. And when
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: people are like, why are you crying, I'm like, because
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Steve Irwin's still dead. I cannot get over it. What
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: do you manifest per Kesha and all of her animals.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I just want to manifest that she continues to be
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: empowered and continues to just like live her best life,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like unapologetically whatever that may be doing, whatever, whether that be.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would obviously love for her to continue
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: making music forever and go on to her forever, but honestly,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: she's the type of person that I'm like batty girl,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: whatever you want. If she decides, like you know what,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I want to just be them go live in Like.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think she would do that, but if she did,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I would be like, I just want her to be
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: whole and happy.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Well that's what it took for Lindsay Lohan to come
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: back to us healed and do Freaker Friday. She had
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to go away. Yeah, where was she in Dubai?
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Something like that. She'd think it will go for a while.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: When she was like at a restaurant, she did her
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: own white Lotus journey. She was Parker posey somewhere else happened. No, Yeah,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I just I also hope that like that, she just
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: looked so good. She just looks so good, and she
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: was so happy, and I believed it and I bought in.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: So I hope it was the truth. Noh, she's so happy.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: When I talked about, like how my parasocial relationship ended
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: with Kasha that night, because she held my hands and
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: acknowledged me as a human too. My friend did say,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: she goes it was probably your genuine energy calling to
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: her genuine energy, and she knew, she knew that you
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: were there because you were just checking in on her
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: and you love her.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, I do, honestly, yeah, I believe that,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: like because I mean our energies and in pusion, she's
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: a pisces too.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: So Jersey, do you have anything to plug?
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Honestly, not really. I'm just live in twenty twenty six
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: trying to get by and it is very tough, you know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm just watching. I would love for everybody
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: else to plug with the all people watching.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: All right, well, everyone, make sure to go find us
• 59:07
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• 59:09
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• 59:16
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• 59:21
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• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I know some of us are walking away from those,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to sleep. I almost said sleep. Remember
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  Speaker 1: tolerators you'll have to sleep. Ever, remember tolerators, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to smile through anything you're tolerating, including an industry
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  Speaker 1: where you see girls get used and abused and trotted
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  Speaker 1: out like sex dolls just to be told that they
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have any opinions and that they should be silenced
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  Speaker 1: and whatever happens to them, it's all just a cost
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  Speaker 1: to the career. Smiles are for joy. We love you, Kesha,
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  Speaker 1: love you. We love you, Kesha,