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The Manosphere Sucks · Millennial Mental Health Channel

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Speaker 1: M HM and it's Myron gains No fame, you said
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Speaker 1: mir all Right, welcome back to MHC.
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Speaker 1: Thanks a couple of yeah, most of talking to Eddie.
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Speaker 1: But hey, if you guys listened to the episode last week,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks to you guys, you and Dana for
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Speaker 2: fucking hard and I appreciated it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I didn't even ask my wife if
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Speaker 3: Well, just kidding, cheers.
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Speaker 2: Well, shit, I hope today you got a little list
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Speaker 2: of shout outs and all that good stuff. What do
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Speaker 2: we got.
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Speaker 1: It's the end of mental health Awareness Month. We didn't
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Speaker 1: do too much for it, honestly, since my whole life
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Speaker 1: is mental health, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Really mental health.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard for me to be like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something different for mental health awareness months
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Speaker 1: because that's my whole life, so that same things. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think next to take every big swings on, maybe
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Speaker 1: like a guest and be like hey, like guilt them
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Speaker 1: into it and be like, hey, if you really care
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Speaker 1: about mental health, you'll come onto our podcast.
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Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. I like it. Let's
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Speaker 2: do it. Write that down?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the reminder, SI, give me a reminder in eleven months.
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Speaker 2: That you wrote down summer break. I'm I'm I'm very excited.
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm counting down the days. It's been a it's
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Speaker 2: been a school year. But yeah, there's some break. Anybody
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Speaker 2: out there that's an education as kids, you know, someone
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Speaker 2: breaks a big deal. So hoping everything goes smoothly for
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Speaker 2: everybody listening and for myself. But we have a I
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Speaker 2: don't know what to call our topic today. I don't
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Speaker 2: want to say interesting because that gives it some like
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Speaker 2: positive connotation. But what would you call it?
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Speaker 1: Soul sucking a little bit of fear mongering because we
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Speaker 1: have something that you should be a little afraid of today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, explain it to us. What are we talking
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Speaker 2: about today?
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the manosphere. So we've previously spoken a
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Speaker 1: little bit about the manosphere, but it seems to be
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Speaker 1: growing and growing in popularity, so we figured we do
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Speaker 1: a more specific full episode on it. So the way
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Speaker 1: we talked about it last time was about Netflix's show Adolescence.
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Speaker 1: So if you haven't seen the episode or haven't seen
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Speaker 1: the show, it's a fictional story about a young lad
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Speaker 1: who got sucked into the manisphere, which we will define,
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Speaker 1: and ended up killing a girl in his class who
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Speaker 1: rejected him and bullying him. So that was kind of
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Speaker 1: my first big introduction into like that specific phrase the manosphere. Well,
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Speaker 1: and then I just recently watched Into the Manisphere, the
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Speaker 1: documentary on Netflix by Louis Thurreau. And if you could
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Speaker 1: describe your feelings towards that.
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Speaker 3: That documentary, what would you say?
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Speaker 2: What did I tell you right before this? Like I
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Speaker 2: hated it, but like not because it was bad, it
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Speaker 2: just like I just had like a visceral reaction the
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Speaker 2: whole time, Like it was very cringey, like very off putting.
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Speaker 2: To give you a little bit of a definition of
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Speaker 2: manosphere and really a background on the documentary, it followed
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Speaker 2: around these I guess, high profile manosphere influencers, and I
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Speaker 2: the word influencer I used very lightly because this was
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Speaker 2: just very like it was at some points I just
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Speaker 2: felt like each guy like their heart really wasn't into it,
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Speaker 2: like you could sell. There was like some bullshit with it.
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Speaker 2: But I guess the definition. According to Wikipedia, it's essentially
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Speaker 2: a varied collection of websites, blogs, online forums, and they
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Speaker 2: promote essentially masculinity, misogyny, and the opposition to feminism. So
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Speaker 2: these communities within the manosphere include men's rights activists, which
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Speaker 2: feels really fucking weird to say, the in cell community.
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Speaker 2: If you're not familiar, this is involuntary, involuntarily celibate. So
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Speaker 2: that's what these people call themselves. There's another group called
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Speaker 2: men going their Own Way. Again, I'm having my own
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Speaker 2: reactions reading these, another one called pickup Artists, and then
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Speaker 2: father's rights groups like these kind of make up the manisphere,
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Speaker 2: And in the most simplest and laymans of terms, it's
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Speaker 2: a bunch of influencers on the Internet trying to use
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Speaker 2: masculinity to sell you things and to tell you that
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Speaker 2: you need to be this alpha male. Some key terms
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Speaker 2: that come up a lot with this group of people, right, misogyny, masculinity,
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Speaker 2: being an alpha male, not being a beta male, fucking
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Speaker 2: red pill. And I think that was one of the
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Speaker 2: things that came up in especially the show Adolescence. But really,
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Speaker 2: just I do not recommend looking it up on like
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Speaker 2: TikTok or Instagram if you're not familiar, because it's just
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Speaker 2: I don't want anyone's algorithm to get all fucked up. Really,
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Speaker 2: just watch the documentary because it'll give you a pretty
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Speaker 2: good a good view of it. And it's just I'm
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Speaker 2: like shivering talking about some of it because it was
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Speaker 2: so bad. I just told Justin before we started recording,
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Speaker 2: I was a little asked us to push back our
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Speaker 2: recording time a little bit because I was at our
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Speaker 2: the school that I work at, playoff game for softball,
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Speaker 2: and I told them I am the exact opposite of
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Speaker 2: this fucking Manisphere bullshit because I'm trying to be here
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Speaker 2: to support our young ladies. Are our girls in sports,
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Speaker 2: and not the bullshit that the manisphere is pushing. But
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Speaker 2: shout out showd High School Ffotball six A, defending state champions,
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Speaker 2: trying to go back to back. Here we go, just
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Speaker 2: won our second round game. But anyway, I will stop rambling.
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Speaker 2: I'm done with the cringiness for a little bit. What
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Speaker 2: do you got? What do you got? Justin? Tell us
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Speaker 2: more so.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that documentary follows some specific influencers HS Tiki Talkie,
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Speaker 1: Myron Gains, Justin Waller. Yeah, they're all very interesting people.
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Speaker 1: There's some other people that get lumped into Manisphere. Andrew
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Speaker 1: Tate's a big one. We've talked about him. He's not
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Speaker 1: a great guy and he's got somepinions.
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Speaker 2: He's a fucking he's offul he's so bad. I'm good,
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Speaker 2: keep going, you're good. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson is actually sometimes lumped into Manisphere. Like he
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Speaker 1: uses a bunch of like flowery language and a bunch
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Speaker 1: of references that don't really make much sense to try
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Speaker 1: and assert his theories that men are superior to women
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, So he sometimes gets lumped
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Speaker 1: into the Manisphere. Some stats and facts, so Jane Gilmour
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Speaker 1: in the Journal of Child and Adolescent Mental Health says
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Speaker 1: that the data that she accumulated and gathered indicated that
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Speaker 1: eighty percent of teenage boys age sixteen and seventeen interact
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Speaker 1: with the Manisphere content online eighty percent, So most the majority,
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Speaker 1: the vast majority of young men are getting this pumped
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Speaker 1: into their social media feed and that really worries me
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Speaker 1: for the views of masculinity for this young generation.
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Speaker 2: M H, I don't. I'm trying to remember the specific
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Speaker 2: clips from the doct not to ruin it for anybody.
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Speaker 2: Definitely watch it. If you're intrigued by any of this,
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Speaker 2: watch it just to just to get a feel for
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Speaker 2: what's really out there. But there's like a couple scenes
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Speaker 2: where they talk to these two guys that are like
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Speaker 2: really connected to one of these Manisphere influencers, and Louis
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Speaker 2: Thurrow is trying to ask them, like, what is it
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Speaker 2: that you like about Oh, he's he's taught me to
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Speaker 2: follow my dreams and work hard. And it's like, okay, well,
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Speaker 2: can you give me an example of that. It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he said he doesn't take no shit from no bitches.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, that's okay, that's what the fuck man like.
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Speaker 2: It's it's just this very like uber masculine shit on
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Speaker 2: women any opportunity you get. And it's so bad And
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Speaker 2: to your point, it's really concerning on how this can
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Speaker 2: impact young men and young boys as they're growing up
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Speaker 2: in these very pirol times. You and I see it
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Speaker 2: all the time with we work with adolescents that are
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Speaker 2: so easily influenced you get these kids that are like,
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Speaker 2: for the first time, they hear about how someone treats
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Speaker 2: a woman or how they talk to women, and they
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Speaker 2: may think that if they don't have a specific role
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Speaker 2: model in their life, they might think that that's the
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Speaker 2: way you're supposed to do it. And then there could
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Speaker 2: be negative consequences after, like how they if they talk
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Speaker 2: to girls in a certain way and or women in
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Speaker 2: a certain way, or they're super disrespectful, they can have
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Speaker 2: some very big social consequences. And then the social consequences
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Speaker 2: can give you essentially like maybe two opportunities. Either you
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Speaker 2: get rejected socially and it makes you want to make changes,
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Speaker 2: or you get rejected socially and you're like, no, I'm
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Speaker 2: going deeper into this, and I knowing this is what
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Speaker 2: I'm leaning into, and I think that second, the latter
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Speaker 2: one really has a lot of potential negative consequences for
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Speaker 2: young boys and young men that are still developing personalities
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Speaker 2: and the way that they want to live their life.
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Speaker 1: The thing that was the most shocking to me about
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Speaker 1: the documentary was Louis throw the documentarian was following these
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Speaker 1: influencers around. They'd be walking through their hometown and they
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Speaker 1: would just have teenage boys, yeah, coming up to them
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Speaker 1: left and right out of nowhere being like, oh man,
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Speaker 1: you're the shit, You're so good, and like fawning over
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Speaker 1: these grown ass men because of the content that they
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Speaker 1: put online. And needless to say, a lot of this content.
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Speaker 3: Is anti semitic.
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Speaker 1: It's like, it's very problematic in a lot of different ways.
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Speaker 1: It's very pro violence in a lot of ways. And
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Speaker 1: just the amount of teenage boys who treat these people
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Speaker 1: like celebrities, like someone to look up to. I know,
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Speaker 1: we mentioned like eighty percent of teenage boys get this content,
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Speaker 1: but forty percent of adult men to get this content
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Speaker 1: on their social media feed. But man, it is a
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Speaker 1: lot of men are getting the worst possible influences as influencers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that you make a good point. Yes,
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Speaker 2: very misogynistic, very racist, very specifically anti semitic. That part
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Speaker 2: surprised me. I had no idea that there was like
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Speaker 2: this sector of the internet that was so anti semitic
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Speaker 2: and just so openly racist and just like acting like
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Speaker 2: this was cool and like saying that certain types of
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Speaker 2: women are dumber than other one like just so bad
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Speaker 2: and ass backwards. I guess, so, Yeah, oh oh, it
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Speaker 2: made me shiver. Man, I hate this really uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: Yes, fuck So why is this important? Specifically because as
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Speaker 1: mental health professionals, a lot of the content in the
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Speaker 1: manisphere is really toxic to mental health. It gives you
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Speaker 1: a lot of backwards views, it's really bad for your relationships.
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Speaker 3: It's not really rooted in reality.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the time, it's this ultra masculine mindset.
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Speaker 1: Never ask for help, you can do it on your own.
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Speaker 1: You don't need women, you don't need help, you don't
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Speaker 1: need jews in the financial system.
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Speaker 2: Like.
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Speaker 3: They even go as far.
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Speaker 1: As to say that quite frequently in the manisphere content.
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Speaker 1: In the documentary Into the Manisphere, they interviewed two dudes
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Speaker 1: may have actually been the ones you were talking.
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Speaker 2: About earlier, I think so.
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Speaker 1: And for mental health specifically, they said that they didn't
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Speaker 1: believe in depression, that like, depression is just like a
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Speaker 1: construct that society tells you, Like, you know, if you're
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Speaker 1: just a man and you're getting women and you're not going.
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Speaker 3: To be depressed.
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Speaker 1: Then one of the guys goes on to say that
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Speaker 1: his brother died by suicide, and this guy still doesn't
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Speaker 1: believe in depression.
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Speaker 3: That blew my mind.
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Speaker 1: That took me to cult level thinking where you completely
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Speaker 1: ignore the obvious facts right in front of you to
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Speaker 1: continue to buy into something that tells you to not
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Speaker 1: believe your own reality right in front of you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that was kind of the part where
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Speaker 2: I said earlier where I felt like some of their
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Speaker 2: hearts were not in it, like they would say a
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Speaker 2: lot of these things, and then I was like, I
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Speaker 2: just don't feel like you fully believe this. I think
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Speaker 2: you this is a character, like this is just a facade.
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Speaker 2: Which one was it? Which was it a mister Tiki
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Speaker 2: talkie who he was like talking about women and just
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Speaker 2: like shitting on women in front of his mom. But
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Speaker 2: then like the second, like I think Louis Threau mentioned
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Speaker 2: anything like well this is anything any of this pertaining
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Speaker 2: your mom? He like got very like defensive and like
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Speaker 2: was upset about him, Like come on, man, you can't
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Speaker 2: have both if you're just gonna shit on women all
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Speaker 2: day long. But like your mom's the one that's off limits.
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Speaker 2: It's just not to say that his mom needed to
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Speaker 2: be shitted on, but you get what I mean. It's
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Speaker 2: one of those things where it's you know, I just
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Speaker 2: I got the sense where a lot of it was,
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Speaker 2: this is a great way for me to make money.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a lot of women in bikinis all day.
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Speaker 2: I'm being filmed everywhere I go. I'm getting clips here
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Speaker 2: and there. I have these super nice cars, I have
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Speaker 2: this nice apartment, and I say really fucked up things,
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Speaker 2: and I make a lot of money and it looks
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Speaker 2: really cool to young guys and young kids. So I'm
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Speaker 2: just gonna keep doing that.
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Speaker 1: And most of the women in all of the manuscript
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Speaker 1: content are only fans content creators.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they do that to try and pray.
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Speaker 1: On the only fans women content creators. They'll bring them
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Speaker 1: onto their podcast their shows, and they'll try and just
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Speaker 1: put them down. They will try and rip them apart,
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Speaker 1: make them look stupid as possible. And yeah, actually I
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Speaker 1: get some of these videos popping up on my feed
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Speaker 1: from time to time of like Manisphere content creators asking
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Speaker 1: kind of basic questions to these like hot girls, these
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Speaker 1: OnlyFans girls, and be like name two countries in Europe
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Speaker 1: and these girls can't do it, or like name the
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Speaker 1: capital of France and like these girls can't, but of
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Speaker 1: course they can pick and choose and edit what they want,
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Speaker 1: and of course they're going to pick the most outrageous answers.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's just there's so much preying upon other
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Speaker 1: people for money. In a similar line, some of the
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Speaker 1: Manisphere content creators were posing as like children on social
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Speaker 1: media and then messaging adult men like trying to trap them,
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Speaker 1: and then when they like set up a meeting, then
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Speaker 1: they would beat the shit out of the adult.
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Speaker 3: Who thought he was talking to a child. I mean,
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Speaker 3: so like.
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Speaker 1: Street Justice for for pedophilia, and it's like just just
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Speaker 1: wild stuff because that's what gets the most clicks, that's
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Speaker 1: what gets the most eyes on them. Their whole lives
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Speaker 1: are set up to try and get as many clicks
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Speaker 1: as possible so that they can rake in as much
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Speaker 1: money as possible. But then they're in this constant cycle
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Speaker 1: of trying to be as outrageous, constantly one up themselves
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Speaker 1: to get more people to watch, more people to watch,
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Speaker 1: and it's it seemed exhausting.
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Speaker 2: Every second, every waking moment, there was a camera recording
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Speaker 2: and just trying to catch catch viral clips. And I
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Speaker 2: think there's even times where they were posting things as
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Speaker 2: they were on the documentary and we're like oh look,
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Speaker 2: how many likes to look at all the views? Or
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Speaker 2: oh we're live right now. These girls are saying this
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Speaker 2: and that, like just constant content making. It's all it was,
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Speaker 2: is just trying to get clips here and there. A
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Speaker 2: lot of this stuff too is just like not only
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Speaker 2: was it negative about women, but it was negative about
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Speaker 2: like real relationships in general. Yes, ideas like eighty percent
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Speaker 2: of women only go for twenty percent of men, So
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Speaker 2: you need to learn how to trick them to sleep
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Speaker 2: with you and to get them. Women need to be
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Speaker 2: subservient to the man in a relationship. One of the
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Speaker 2: guys he was like, he said he was married and
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Speaker 2: had a wife, but he was like sleeping with other
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Speaker 2: excuse me, sleeping with other women. And when Louis Thorrow
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Speaker 2: asked him, like, oh, well you guys are married, he's like, well,
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Speaker 2: we don't like to get the state involved with our relationship,
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Speaker 2: Like what the fuck does that mean? Like what are
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Speaker 2: you talking about that? And again yeah, even the next
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Speaker 2: bullet point is how in indocumentary a lot of the
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Speaker 2: influencers were in one way monogamous relationships. So the woman
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Speaker 2: had to be monogamous, but they could do whatever they wanted,
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Speaker 2: and I think by the end of it there was
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Speaker 2: one or two of the influencers who the woman that
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Speaker 2: they were with during the recording was no longer with them,
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Speaker 2: like they had moved on. And like to your point
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Speaker 2: too earlier of like you know, trying to prey on
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Speaker 2: women and try and make them look dumb and get
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Speaker 2: these clips and all that. I feel like there's points
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Speaker 2: in the thing too where like a lot of the
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Speaker 2: women were like fighting back and like saying things and
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Speaker 2: like holding their own in these debates, and then those
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Speaker 2: were not what was being shown like on social media,
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Speaker 2: because that's not what gets clicks and that's not what's
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Speaker 2: appealing to this this group of manispheric influencer consumers of
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Speaker 2: the content. Long way to put it, but.
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Speaker 1: I've seen content on social media getting put into my
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Speaker 1: feed recently of women being like why is feminism so good? Now?
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Speaker 1: I have to work an eight to five job, and like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, feminism isn't what's making you work an
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Speaker 1: eight to five job. The economy and pressures of our
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Speaker 1: political system in the economy are what's causing you to work.
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Speaker 1: Feminism made sure that you had more options than just being.
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Speaker 2: A waitress or stay at home mom.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, or stay at home mom.
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Speaker 1: Feminism is not the enemy here, and yeah, is our
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Speaker 1: work culture toxic?
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Speaker 2: Sure?
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah again, not feminism's problem or false.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So it does feel like even on my social media feed,
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Speaker 1: there's there's these ideas that are getting put out and
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Speaker 1: I've even heard it was at a party the other
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Speaker 1: day and these girls were talking about like, I wish
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Speaker 1: I could just be a stay at home mom, and
19:12
Speaker 1: and there was like a nurse and someone else talking
19:14
Speaker 1: to each other, and it's like, well, that's okay, like
19:16
Speaker 1: if you can have your ideas of what you want
19:19
Speaker 1: to do. But they were blaming feminism again, and I
19:22
Speaker 1: bet you it's because they're getting a lot of the
19:23
Speaker 1: same social media arguments of women making this and blaming
19:28
Speaker 1: feminism for the progress that we've made for women.
19:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another big piece to it too, It's very clear
19:37
Speaker 2: with the Manisphere is the politicalness of all of it.
19:42
Speaker 2: They talked in the documentary how the Manisphere had become
19:45
Speaker 2: so influential that it likely influenced the last election. I
19:49
Speaker 2: remember watching clips of when we usually vote on Tuesdays,
19:53
Speaker 2: of like people in Arizona waiting outside of polling places
19:57
Speaker 2: and asking these young men no older than eighteen to
20:01
Speaker 2: twenty four, who are you voting for? Oh, President Trump? Well, why, well,
20:06
Speaker 2: I don't want Kamala, not even saying Kamala Harris's name, right,
20:09
Speaker 2: Just things like that. And I think it was one
20:11
Speaker 2: of those things that it was so surprising how the
20:14
Speaker 2: majority of gen Z men ended up voting for Trump, which,
20:19
Speaker 2: as we know, is just a huge shift from the past.
20:22
Speaker 2: Young people tend to vote Democratic, but this last election
20:25
Speaker 2: was very different, and I think the manisphere and a
20:28
Speaker 2: lot of these influential influencers are kind of I don't
20:31
Speaker 2: know if blame is the right word, but you have
20:34
Speaker 2: down here in one of the bullets. I mean, Joe Rogan,
20:37
Speaker 2: that motherfucker. Now he's backtracking, but he was all up
20:40
Speaker 2: on Trump's nuts during this whole thing. You're like, oh,
20:43
Speaker 2: he's the man, Oh Kamala doesn't want blah blah blah.
20:45
Speaker 2: And now he's pulled back a little bit. I think
20:49
Speaker 2: on things related to Venezuela and Israel and the war
20:54
Speaker 2: in Iran and all these he's kind of walking it back.
20:57
Speaker 2: And it was like, no, fuck you, this was this
21:00
Speaker 2: is what you peddled for a long time and what
21:03
Speaker 2: you pushed during this last election cycle and now this
21:05
Speaker 2: is what we have. But the manisphere and its political
21:08
Speaker 2: connection is not something that you can ignore. Unfortunately, It's
21:11
Speaker 2: something that's it's there and for right now and at
21:15
Speaker 2: least for the time being. Unfortunately, it's something that's probably
21:18
Speaker 2: going to stick around.
21:19
Speaker 1: These political trends for young gen z men might hold
21:24
Speaker 1: true for the rest of their lives. Like they're being
21:26
Speaker 1: so influenced by this stuff now that they might be
21:29
Speaker 1: ultra conservative throughout the rest of their lives, which could
21:33
Speaker 1: really change the country and change the way people vote
21:36
Speaker 1: and change what they want and change the way they
21:39
Speaker 1: vote for equal rights and women's rights. So there are
21:43
Speaker 1: long lasting repercussions to this stuff, and it could really
21:50
Speaker 1: this is a part of the fear mongering thing. This
21:52
Speaker 1: could really change our society for decades to come.
21:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the things that at least kind of
21:59
Speaker 2: hold out hope is that these social consequences of having
22:05
Speaker 2: these beliefs and ideals will be enough to push people
22:08
Speaker 2: in the right direction. And this is not this is
22:11
Speaker 2: sin the political part. Wherever people decide to be politically,
22:15
Speaker 2: that's up to you, But just the social implications like
22:19
Speaker 2: enough young men will get shit on and made fun
22:22
Speaker 2: of for thinking stupid shit that they start to have
22:25
Speaker 2: an internal dialogue of like, Wow, maybe I need to
22:29
Speaker 2: think of other things. Maybe this isn't true. Maybe this
22:34
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars online course that I paid for is
22:37
Speaker 2: not giving me the information that I think I should
22:40
Speaker 2: be getting, and maybe I need to have Maybe I
22:42
Speaker 2: need to have some soul searching. That's my biggest hope.
22:45
Speaker 2: I have noticed and you've probably noticed the same working
22:48
Speaker 2: with these gen Z Gen Alpha kids. A lot of
22:52
Speaker 2: them are strong opinions and very confident in the way
22:56
Speaker 2: that they and the things that they believe in. A
22:58
Speaker 2: lot of our young girls and our young girl identifying
23:01
Speaker 2: individuals have the same thing where they're very strong in
23:05
Speaker 2: their morals and what they believe in, and they're not
23:08
Speaker 2: afraid to push back. And I think that's awesome. So
23:11
Speaker 2: my biggest hope is that a lot of these boys
23:13
Speaker 2: get a kick in the pants while they can, while
23:15
Speaker 2: they can still learn as young teens and hopefully be
23:19
Speaker 2: influenced in the right direction. Again, it's not to say
23:21
Speaker 2: you need to vote one way or the other. I
23:23
Speaker 2: want to take the political part out of it a
23:24
Speaker 2: little bit, but more just socially and respect for our
23:28
Speaker 2: fellow human beings, like this is not the way to live,
23:30
Speaker 2: to just ship on a portion of the of the
23:34
Speaker 2: population because fucking Tiki Taki told you that you should.
23:40
Speaker 3: God, I hate that stupid name.
23:42
Speaker 2: It's the man.
23:45
Speaker 4: He had a great accent, though, you had that real
23:49
Speaker 4: limey English accent. And he's always trying to capture Louis Ferrau.
23:54
Speaker 4: He's like, Louis, how's your Mike Jimmy Savile?
23:57
Speaker 1: He kept on, he was going for CPS and trying
24:00
Speaker 1: to edit and literally just saying the documentarian's name next
24:05
Speaker 1: to a known pedophile in Britain, Jimmy Savile, and how
24:07
Speaker 1: about you, Mike Jimmy Saville.
24:09
Speaker 3: It's like what, They're not tied together at all.
24:12
Speaker 1: But then he'd like edit it and clip it and
24:14
Speaker 1: put it online and people be like, oh, you got.
24:16
Speaker 2: Him so good, got his ass.
24:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so stupid.
24:21
Speaker 2: There was the part where I was like, man, this
24:23
Speaker 2: is like almost like an addiction was how much it's
24:28
Speaker 2: specifically Tickie Talkie and maybe maybe even uh it was
24:31
Speaker 2: Marvin Gaines. They would get upset with Louis Thurreau like
24:35
Speaker 2: they would be frustrated with him because of they'd start
24:38
Speaker 2: to realize like, oh, this guy is gonna make fun
24:41
Speaker 2: of me, Like this guy's gonna like shit on me
24:43
Speaker 2: in this documentary and they start to kind of give
24:46
Speaker 2: him the cold shoulder, or they start to kind of
24:48
Speaker 2: like not really engage. But they are so addicted to
24:52
Speaker 2: the limelight and the can and the influencer piece of
24:55
Speaker 2: it that they couldn't keep it going. Louis would just
24:59
Speaker 2: he would just be patient and then Tiki TALKI would
25:01
Speaker 2: be right back in his pocket talking to him, telling
25:04
Speaker 2: him all the things, giving Louis the information he wanted.
25:07
Speaker 2: So that was another piece to it too, is like
25:09
Speaker 2: they just couldn't stay away. It didn't matter how much
25:12
Speaker 2: they tried to not engage, they just couldn't. Like they
25:14
Speaker 2: just had that itch for it.
25:16
Speaker 1: Their brains are literally being programmed to do whatever they
25:21
Speaker 1: can do to get attention. If that means being on
25:24
Speaker 1: a Netflix documentary where people are gonna see your face more,
25:28
Speaker 1: where you might be made fun of a little.
25:29
Speaker 3: Bit, Yeah, they'll do it.
25:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:32
Speaker 1: Some discussion questions.
25:34
Speaker 3: What are they actually selling? What are they.
25:38
Speaker 1: A lot of bullshit, A lot of them are selling
25:42
Speaker 1: financial plans, self help programs. If you follow my program,
25:47
Speaker 1: you're gonna be rich, You're gonna have women all over
25:49
Speaker 1: You're gonna have power over people. You know, this hyper
25:52
Speaker 1: masculine idea. And in the documentary, Louis Threau signs up
25:58
Speaker 1: for HS Tiki Talkie's financial program that he's pushing. He
26:01
Speaker 1: puts in about like one thousand dollars. By the end
26:04
Speaker 1: of filming, he's lost.
26:05
Speaker 2: A lot of it.
26:07
Speaker 1: It was a lot of it.
26:08
Speaker 2: But yeah, that shit was hilarious. It's not that he
26:12
Speaker 2: lost his money, but like, fuck man, this is what's
26:15
Speaker 2: These kids are getting dating advantage unfortunately, and I'm hoping
26:18
Speaker 2: that's enough to learn to like, Okay, this is not
26:21
Speaker 2: where I want to be. This is not what I
26:23
Speaker 2: want to do. What do we do about this? I mean,
26:26
Speaker 2: we just get rid of all of them, obviously, No,
26:28
Speaker 2: but I think to your point, and we've talked about
26:31
Speaker 2: this a lot, and it's been cool. I've been sending
26:32
Speaker 2: justin the links when it pops up. But how many
26:35
Speaker 2: times now different tech companies are now being having their
26:39
Speaker 2: day in court where they have to kind of answer
26:41
Speaker 2: to some of these things where they were they are
26:43
Speaker 2: held responsible. So One place to start, for sure is
26:47
Speaker 2: starting to move into a world where social media companies
26:49
Speaker 2: have to start regulating content more closely, educating, I mean,
26:53
Speaker 2: just doing our best to do our part when it
26:55
Speaker 2: comes to these young men specifically and teaching them. Not
26:59
Speaker 2: that one way is better than the other kind of
27:02
Speaker 2: but we need to If your thoughts and beliefs just
27:06
Speaker 2: lead you to a place where you shit on one
27:08
Speaker 2: part of the population, that's not something you need to
27:10
Speaker 2: be a part of. Talking to kids about the content
27:13
Speaker 2: they see, talking about just teens in general, and like
27:16
Speaker 2: what can pop up on social media? What is a doctor?
27:19
Speaker 2: Jonathan Height Jonathan hate is that was that his full name,
27:22
Speaker 2: the one who who wrote A Anxious Generation. He's a
27:26
Speaker 2: big proponent of delaying the use of social media as
27:29
Speaker 2: long as possible in young people. There are some people
27:32
Speaker 2: who think there's not really a special number of like
27:35
Speaker 2: when social media is okay, we got to have a
27:37
Speaker 2: happy medium, But it's not a bad idea to delay
27:40
Speaker 2: it as much as possible. And I mean right now
27:42
Speaker 2: our politicians feel like they suck, but trying to lean
27:45
Speaker 2: on them as much as possible to put pressure on
27:47
Speaker 2: social media companies to be accountable for their content, because ultimately,
27:51
Speaker 2: if you think about just you and I in our
27:54
Speaker 2: age group, where did we used to get our news
27:56
Speaker 2: back in the day is kind of whatever it was
27:58
Speaker 2: told to us. It was a big Twitter guy back
28:00
Speaker 2: in the day. Now kids are getting their social media
28:02
Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok and and these places with where
28:06
Speaker 2: mister Tiki Talkie lives and where mister Marvin gay lives
28:09
Speaker 2: on the internet. So it's hard when the place that
28:11
Speaker 2: you get your information is also the place where you
28:13
Speaker 2: get the bullshit. So it's hard to regulate that.
28:16
Speaker 1: M And it's Myron gains same you said, Marvin gay.
28:25
Speaker 2: Maybe I said, Marvin Gaines. I would not do that
28:28
Speaker 2: to mister Marvin Gaye that you definitely said.
28:34
Speaker 3: You do not drag Marvin.
28:36
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, please, but you and your estate forgive me.
28:44
Speaker 3: Yes, we love you.
28:47
Speaker 2: Ship. Well, where's his name in the hold on? Where's
28:51
Speaker 2: his name in the notes? Myron gains Yeah, it sucks. Yeah,
28:57
Speaker 2: I definitely did say Marvin at some point. I'm just
29:02
Speaker 2: so fired up. Man, fuck, I feel you.
29:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's troublesome because man, especially the relationship with
29:12
Speaker 1: women that I think as mentors, as adult men. We
29:17
Speaker 1: need to be teaching young men that this is worth it,
29:21
Speaker 1: that women are our equals, and if you want to
29:24
Speaker 1: have the deepest, most fruitful, most rewarding relationship, you have
29:29
Speaker 1: to find someone that you see as your equal, someone
29:33
Speaker 1: that you can be on the same level with, go
29:35
Speaker 1: through things together with, fight for the same things together with.
29:39
Speaker 1: And if if you don't have that, your.
29:41
Speaker 3: Relationships are so much more superficial. So there's reasons for this.
29:46
Speaker 1: We're not just like saying like, oh, you need to
29:48
Speaker 1: treat women for the sake of treatment treating women well,
29:50
Speaker 1: but it's like it benefits you too, young men.
29:53
Speaker 3: This is a good thing.
29:54
Speaker 2: For you, Okay, Not to take away from the seriousness.
29:59
Speaker 2: As soon as we we get to the Marvin Gay part,
30:03
Speaker 2: I immediately go to a Luther Vandross song, which is
30:05
Speaker 2: like even worse because it's not even Marvin Gay. But anyway,
30:08
Speaker 2: I just needed to put that out there. It's a
30:11
Speaker 2: song never too Much by Luther Vandross is a good one.
30:15
Speaker 3: No joke. I was thinking about Luther Vandross too.
30:18
Speaker 1: Let's because because that new Kendrick Lamars is a Luther
30:25
Speaker 1: Vandros album one album of the Year, and I couldn't
30:28
Speaker 1: find it on.
30:29
Speaker 3: Spotify, and it was really disappointed. I was like, I
30:30
Speaker 3: want to listen to this, but I couldn't.
30:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, influential black men in R and B. I
30:37
Speaker 2: love it. We could do an episode on that.
30:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:39
Speaker 1: And they're very sensual people and they treat women very
30:42
Speaker 1: well typically.
30:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least I hope.
30:46
Speaker 1: So hopefully there's not any scandals that.
30:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, well check at the end of the day, Mannos
30:54
Speaker 2: fear bad. We'll just leave it at that. This is
30:57
Speaker 2: I mean, when when Justin told me couple months back
31:00
Speaker 2: that he wanted to do an episode on this, Initially,
31:02
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, of course. Then I watched the documentary,
31:05
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck this, this is so bad. So our
31:10
Speaker 2: hope is, if you're familiar with the Manisphere, we hope
31:13
Speaker 2: that it's not because it's a you have a deep
31:15
Speaker 2: personal connection. If you're not familiar, we're hoping that you
31:18
Speaker 2: at least know a little bit more now so you
31:20
Speaker 2: can avoid it. And hopefully we can just do our
31:23
Speaker 2: part in and educating our young men and our young
31:26
Speaker 2: women too to feel like they don't need to be
31:28
Speaker 2: dealing with this bullshit that's being spewed on the internet.
31:31
Speaker 2: For clicks and views. But yeah, if you haven't watched
31:35
Speaker 2: it yet, it's I think it's worth your time to
31:37
Speaker 2: check it out and just have an idea of what's
31:39
Speaker 2: out there on a different part of the internet for sure.
31:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big part of our culture, whether we
31:45
Speaker 1: like it or not, so we may as well understand it,
31:47
Speaker 1: learn about it, and see what we can do about it.
31:50
Speaker 2: That's right, Well, we appreciate you all. We'll be back again.
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